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Speaker 1: East scooters are becoming more risky. Apparently incidents have doubled

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Speaker 1: in the last five years. So acc data recorded more

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Speaker 1: than one two hundred injury claims in the last year,

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Speaker 1: which cost taxpayers fourteen and a half million dollars. And

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Speaker 1: let me tell you which city top the list. It's

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Speaker 1: christ Church, over four hundred claims, more than any other

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Jackson Love is one of the co founders of Flamingo Scooters. Hi, Jackson,

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Speaker 1: I hear that.

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Speaker 2: How are you going?

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Speaker 1: Very well? Thank you? What's going on? Why is christ

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Speaker 1: Church so bad? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting, isn't it. I think as a key

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Speaker 2: we owned and operated company, safety is at the heart

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Speaker 2: of everything we do here at Flamingo. And interestingly, Flamingo

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Speaker 2: hasn't been down in christ Church for a number of years,

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Speaker 2: so as a market we'd obviously love to get back

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Speaker 2: into one day in the future and hopefully improve safety.

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Speaker 1: What do you think it is though? I would have

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Speaker 1: expected that it would actually be, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just thought that a city like Wellington, which is

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Speaker 1: much more hilly, would have bigger problems with people losing

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Speaker 1: control on the downslope.

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Speaker 2: Church. Now, that is interesting I think it's really important

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Speaker 2: to understand that not all these scooters are the same.

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Speaker 2: So shared these scooters like Flamingo, they capped at twenty

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Speaker 2: five kilometers an hour, they've built in safety controls and

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Speaker 2: we monitor them twenty four to seven. But privately owned

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Speaker 2: these scooters, on the other hands, you often see them

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Speaker 2: wizzing down the footpath sort of speeds upwards of forty

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Speaker 2: fifty kilometers an hour, and there's not really any regulation

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Speaker 2: there at all. I've also heard in the past that

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Speaker 2: mope heads and other types of motorized scooters have often

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Speaker 2: been categorized in all together and included in that same ACTA.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know what, I'm going to come back

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Speaker 1: at you. I'm going to come back at you on

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Speaker 1: this Jackson. I actually think the people the people that

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Speaker 1: I see misbehaving on the scooters are the people on

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Speaker 1: hired scooters, not necessarily yours, but any hired scooters like yours.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the guys who own their own scooters

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Speaker 1: who are much more responsible because they're much more used

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Well, yeah, that's an interesting perspective. I think at

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Speaker 2: Flamingo we work really closely with our Council partners to

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Speaker 2: manage speed and riding behavior through a number of different measures.

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Speaker 2: That that includes geo fence, low speed, no riding and

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Speaker 2: no parking zones. We also provide and that rider training.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not that's not because the greatest threat

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Speaker 1: to anybody, right, let's be honest about it. The greatest

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Speaker 1: threat to anybody is I'm standing. I don't care if

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Speaker 1: one of your dudes gets run over by a car,

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Speaker 1: because that's them getting hurt doing the thing that they love.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that's a risk to me is that

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Speaker 1: I'm just standing on the footpath and one of them,

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Speaker 1: you know, crashes into me. And you see this happen

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Speaker 1: all the time. They go down the footpath real fast.

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Speaker 1: How do you control that?

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, our scooters go a lot slower than the

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Speaker 2: privately owned world.

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Speaker 1: Did you not just say twenty five ks an hour?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's other there's areas where that'll.

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Speaker 1: Take me out so badly, man Like I would I

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Speaker 1: probably beconcussed after that, wouldn't I.

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Speaker 2: I think the measures that we have and it's not

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Speaker 2: just through the app, it's not just the controls on

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Speaker 2: the scooters themselves, but we also host regular events in

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, who cares? This is what I want to know.

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Speaker 1: I love what you people does. You should go work

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Speaker 1: for Health New Zealand. You're better at communications than they are. Listen,

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Speaker 1: tell me how we deal with this. Right, So, if

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Speaker 1: the greatest threat to everybody else is the is people

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Speaker 1: on a hide scooter going really fast down the footpath,

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Speaker 1: how do we actually get that to stop? What can

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Speaker 2: Oh, we welcome the recent government announcement that the scooters

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Speaker 2: will soon be allowed to operate in bike lanes. I

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Speaker 2: think it's a really positive step that creates dedicated and

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Speaker 2: separated but.

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Speaker 1: They still Look, I've got a bike lane outside my house.

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Speaker 1: I've got a bike lane right there. They still come

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Speaker 1: down the footpath. That's not a solution.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And one reason for that is at the moment,

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Speaker 2: legally they are actually not allowed to use that cycle lane.

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Speaker 2: So it's a it's a common sense change that the

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Speaker 2: government has recently announced to finally, after years allow these.

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Speaker 1: I guess, sir, but what do we do? You can

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Speaker 1: be honest with me if you don't have them, because

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Speaker 1: there aren't There aren't cycle ways everywhere, and we can't

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Speaker 1: ask these guys to go on the road because they're

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Speaker 1: going to get smashed by the cars. So how do

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Speaker 1: we actually make footpaths safer when you have a scooter

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Speaker 1: going down at fast? What do we do well?

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Speaker 2: I think the statistics that have been announced today in

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Speaker 2: relation to rider accidents, so it's the safety of the

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Speaker 2: right of themselves, and I think that's an important distinction

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Speaker 2: to pedestrian injuries. I think when we look at our

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Speaker 2: statistics and the instance that are reported to us as

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Speaker 2: a company, it's.

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Speaker 1: A very very.

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Speaker 2: Low percentage of incidents involve a pedestrian, and we're really

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Speaker 2: proud of the work we do to educate.

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Speaker 1: And okay, I take care. You don't have an answer,

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Speaker 1: that's okay, you don't have to. Jackson, thank you, Jackson

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Speaker 1: Love Flamingo Scooter's co founder. So we've been talking that.

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Speaker 1: The reason I want to answer out of Jackson, which

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Speaker 1: I didn't get in the end, is because we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about this today because as I say, there is

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Speaker 1: a cycle way outside my house right the other day,

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Speaker 1: what two things? The other day, What happened is that

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Speaker 1: I pulled out of the drive and I looked up

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Speaker 1: the road, no no one coming, And I looked down

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Speaker 1: the road, no no one coming, and no one no

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Speaker 1: one coming up the cycle way, so I was good

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Speaker 1: to pull out. What I didn't see was there's a

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Speaker 1: I nearly hit them. But I was okay with that

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Speaker 1: because I was like, well, you chose to go the

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Speaker 1: know that I was to look and you're the only

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Speaker 1: one that's going to get hurt because my car is

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Speaker 1: not going to get her. I don't really care whatever,

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Speaker 1: Like you made the decision. But it's a different equation,

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Speaker 1: isn't it When you just step out onto the footpath

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Speaker 1: and whoosh, there goes a cycle a little scooter really fast.

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Speaker 1: So I love the scooters and I think they're part

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Speaker 1: just can't figure out how do we get these things

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Speaker 1: to be safe on them, because the solution, obviously is

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Speaker 1: that you say to them, look, if you're on a

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Speaker 1: cycle way, if you're on a footpath where people are walking,

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Speaker 1: you can go no faster than ten k's an hour

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Speaker 1: if there are people, which is a fine thing to say,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, these are kids, right, The majority of

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Speaker 1: people riding scooters nowadays, like twenty twenty five whatever. They

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Speaker 1: don't think. They just go whoo yeah fun. So you

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Speaker 1: can't really and you can't have policemen standing the game.

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Speaker 1: So fasked now you're so practically what is the solution?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that there is one? And this

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Speaker 1: is what bothers me. And clearly there is a one,

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Speaker 1: because Jackson couldn't give us one. Anyway, Just hope that

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Speaker 1: these cads just go a bit slower sometimes. Anyway, I

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Speaker 1: see who

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