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Speaker 1: Barry Sober, Senior Political correspondence with US.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey Barry, good afternoon here though, I'd just like

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Speaker 2: to start with one little issue that I heard in

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Speaker 2: the news and I'm sure your listeners probably heard it

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Speaker 2: as well, that it was the best question I've heard asked.

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Speaker 2: And this whole debate over the gang patches, and it

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Speaker 2: was not asked by a journalist, was asked by the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister who suggested to journalists when they interview the

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Speaker 2: gang members and many of them have been doing these

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Speaker 2: poor little souls, He said that they should be asking

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Speaker 2: what did that gang member do to earn his patch?

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Speaker 2: And I've been yelling at the television news saying, ask

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Speaker 2: them that question, because, like Mark Mitchell has said, there's

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Speaker 2: tears behind every patch yep that a gang member wears

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Speaker 2: on his I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's understand what We're not just taking somebody's jacket

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Speaker 1: that they went down to working style and bought off

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Speaker 1: with their hard earned cash which they earned sitting behind

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Speaker 1: their accountant's desk. Is it No, It's like that patch

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Speaker 1: has been earned through violent crime, So ask them how

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Speaker 1: they got it. Agree with you and tyling. So we've

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Speaker 1: got some rules, have we around how you submit to

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Speaker 1: the Justice Select Committee on the Treaty Principles Bill.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The interesting thing is heither I think there's a

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Speaker 2: perception that now for the next six months we're going

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Speaker 2: to have people making submissions to the Parliamentary Select Committee. Well,

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Speaker 2: in fact, there's not going to be the case because

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Speaker 2: really the hearings are only going to be heard over

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Speaker 2: four weeks. They start at the end of January and

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Speaker 2: go through February. And that's because there's so much administration

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Speaker 2: that has to go through. When they receive the submissions,

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Speaker 2: they've got to read them, they've got to decide which

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Speaker 2: ones will be able to be heard before the Select Committee,

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Speaker 2: and there's a lot of rules about what sort of

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Speaker 2: issue and what will be accepted and what won't be

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Speaker 2: accepted by the Parliamentary Committee. Now, they'll hold hearings at Parliament,

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Speaker 2: but they're saying that they won't be able to hold

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Speaker 2: hearings on every submission that's sent to the Parliament on

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Speaker 2: the Treaty Principal's Bill. They'll be also doing them by

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Speaker 2: video conference, so there'll be that they won't accept submissions

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Speaker 2: that contain racist material, particularly overt racism and characterizing people

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Speaker 2: as racist, and of course I should have a word

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Speaker 2: to Willie Jackson, who's had that label a lot strong

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Speaker 2: swear words. They won't be allowed abusive personal reflections against

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Speaker 2: the MPs or other individuals. David Seymour will be quite

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Speaker 2: happy about that. But there are a number of essentially

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Speaker 2: rules that will be surrounding these submissions, and I would say,

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Speaker 2: let's hope that we have a good open debate on

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Speaker 2: it without these terrible labels being attached to Pece.

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Speaker 1: So is Karen shaw coppying a heavy time because one

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Speaker 1: of the kids who is at the boot camp has

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Speaker 1: gone on to reoffend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well one of these fifteen year old toe rags

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Speaker 2: has gone out and burgled someplace and converted three cars

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Speaker 2: by the looks of it. And so she's been taking

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Speaker 2: flak from those who say these boot camps are a

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Speaker 2: waste for time and don't work at all. The point

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Speaker 2: that Karen Ture makes is that she can't personally do

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Speaker 2: anything about if these any of these ten youth who

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Speaker 2: were taken into the boot camp for the pilot, if

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Speaker 2: they reoffend. Of course you're going to get some people reoffending.

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Speaker 2: They're being given an opportunity to turn their lives around.

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Speaker 2: If they decided that they're not going to do that,

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Speaker 2: then of course they'll be reoffending. And that doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: to say that these boot camps are necessarily a bad idea.

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Speaker 1: So how many people how many kids were at the

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Speaker 1: boot camp?

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Speaker 2: Ten in this lab?

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Speaker 1: How many have reoffended?

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Speaker 2: One?

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Speaker 1: Ten percent failure rate? Yeah, so at the stage of

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Speaker 1: ninety percent success, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know because I haven't completed.

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Speaker 1: Well, not at the stage. At the stage, it seems

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Speaker 1: like a really high bar. And this is criticisms coming

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Speaker 1: from the Greens largely. Is it coming from Ricardo as

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Speaker 1: I was coming from, Yes, it is. Now can I

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Speaker 1: just point out to the Greens that they have had

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Speaker 1: a greater failure rate with their own MPs, haven't they

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Speaker 1: than the boot camps?

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Speaker 2: So well, the last year I've had three gone well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so one for offending breaking the law.

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Speaker 1: Just saying, just saying they've had as many, by the

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Speaker 1: looks of things, out of their own caucus, they've had

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Speaker 1: as many breaking the law as the boot campers. Thank you, Barry.

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Speaker 1: We'll wrap the political week that was later on with

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Speaker 1: you at quarter past six. That's very Sore, senior political correspondent.

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