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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: The biggotnouncement over the weekend is that the government's moving

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Speaker 2: to give police new powers to move on beggars and

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Speaker 2: rough sleepers from town centers. So under this proposed law,

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Speaker 2: which still has to be passed, officers could order people

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Speaker 2: to leave specific areas. If you fail to comply, you

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Speaker 2: could end out in jail for three months or maybe

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Speaker 2: even a two thousand dollars fine. Paul Goldsmith is a

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Speaker 2: Justice minister and joins you, now.

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Speaker 1: Good, what is your Paul right? Good morning?

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Speaker 2: How good will this work?

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Speaker 1: Well, we believe it will. The issue is, of course,

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Speaker 1: which is obvious to everybody that has been visiting the

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Speaker 1: center of Auckland and many of our main streets around

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Speaker 1: the country, is that there's been a big increase over

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Speaker 1: the last few years and anti social behavior and a

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Speaker 1: sort of sense of intimidation. People don't feel comfortable and

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Speaker 1: safe in our CBDs, and we need to change that.

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Speaker 1: We need to reclaim our in our street so it's

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Speaker 1: a welcoming place for people who live there and work

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Speaker 1: there and for visitors. So we want to send current message.

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Speaker 2: So this means that if you're homeless or down on

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Speaker 2: your luck, you're in fact you've got it. You're causing

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Speaker 2: an offense.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, you're causing an offense if you don't follow

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Speaker 1: a move on order for the police. And so at

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Speaker 1: the moment there's a gap in the law which which

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Speaker 1: means that the police aren't aren't able to deal with

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Speaker 1: sort of low level of behavior or antisocial behavior that

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Speaker 1: collectively adds up to an intimidating atmosphere in the streets.

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Speaker 1: And so that's that's the gap we're trying to fill.

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Speaker 2: So when they moved on, whether they go because I

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Speaker 2: just go somewhere else and cause the same problem, just

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Speaker 2: different location.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean where they go is they go

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Speaker 1: a reasonable distance which maybe which will depend where you are,

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Speaker 1: of course, if you're talking about the main street of

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Speaker 1: fung Array or an apil or might be different from

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Speaker 1: Walkland Council, or it may be a kilometer up the road.

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Speaker 1: And then of course if you up there up the

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Speaker 1: road do the same behaviors, well then you can be

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Speaker 1: moved on again until the message is learned. And so

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Speaker 1: it's not that the law applies everywhere in the country,

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Speaker 1: and it's about saying, well, look, actually we have we're

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Speaker 1: a country that cares very much about the needs of individuals.

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Speaker 1: We have a very strong welfare system. We invest hundreds

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Speaker 1: of million dollars and lots of programs around housing, around addictions,

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Speaker 1: and we're here to help you if you if you

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Speaker 1: want that help. But if you don't, and you think

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Speaker 1: that you have a right to occupy Queen Street for

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Speaker 1: example and live there, well, actually no you don't because

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Speaker 1: the rest of the community want to have access to

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Speaker 1: those facilities. In a way. That doesn't mean that our

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Speaker 1: center of our cities are a place where people feel

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Speaker 1: like there's a disorder in the last lack of sort

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Speaker 1: of social cohesion.

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Speaker 2: All right, Paul Godsworth as the Justice Minister for more

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Speaker 2: from Early edition with Ryan Bridge.

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