1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,239 Speaker 1: It's some more detail on the so called PC one twenty, 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: which is the government's housing intensification plan for Auckland. Critics, 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: of course trying to whip this into a potential back 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: down or u turn for the government. The minister thinks 5 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: he's got a solution. We apparently have tweaks, we have softening. 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Chris Bishop is the Housing Minister and is with us. 7 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Good morning, good morning. Do you have regrets that you 8 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: hear it all? 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: Look, it's a bit I mean, I'll be honest with you, 10 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: it's a bit frustrating that you know, we've got the 11 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: fixation over a number for Auckland which you know is 12 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: never and was never going to be the reality. So 13 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: a lot of people got worked up about the two 14 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: million homes. It's two million homes in theoretical capacity. It's 15 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: just basically a modeling number on a spreadsheet, to be honest. 16 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: So is there a backdown? Is it coming, when's it coming? 17 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: How big a deal is it? 18 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: I'm taking those questions in order. Yes, we're going to 19 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: make some changes to the target and we're going to 20 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: make some changes to the way in which the plan works. 21 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: It will be coming in the next month or so. 22 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: It's got to go to Cabinet, and I don't want 23 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: to get ahead of cabinet, but I think I think 24 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: we've got a pragmatic past way through. The frustrating thing 25 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: is that everyone in Auckland that I talk to basically 26 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: agrees we need to you know, we need to do 27 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: more on the CBD, we need to do more around 28 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: train stations, we need to do more around you know 29 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: where we've got bus ways and you know, you know 30 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 2: where there's frequent buses and things like that. And so 31 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: what we're doing is creating a legal framework so that 32 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: the plan enables lots of that and diminishes up zoning 33 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: in suburban areas. 34 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: How confident are you that when you produce what you're 35 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: producing that people are going to go cool versus oh 36 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: wait a minute, and then you've got the same problem. 37 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: We'll over again, just a different version. 38 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: Well it's going to be over to the council. So 39 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: this is another slightly frustrating things. It's never been the 40 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: government's plan. It's always been Auckland Council's plan. They asked 41 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: for what we allowed them to do and they've created 42 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: the maps and once Parliament changes the law again, it'll 43 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: be over to the council to grab hold of this 44 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: and you know, work with Auckland as in Auckland communities 45 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: to shape the city that Auckland does want to live them. 46 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: Didn't you go to the council and say three up 47 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: on a standard piece of land that or this which 48 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: was kind of a threat, which it was about you, 49 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: not about them, And now you're handing it back to them. 50 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: Now it's got too much about you. 51 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: I think that's a slightly negative interpretation. The council wrote 52 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: to me in twenty twenty four and said, listen, we 53 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: need to withdraw the plan change we've got, which is 54 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: seventy eight. We need to down zone around the flood 55 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 2: prone areas and you don't thank god they wanted to 56 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: do that in light of recent events, and you know, 57 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: we want to start again and get rid of the 58 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: medium density residential standards the MDR stuff for three y three. 59 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: We said, okay, great, but we also don't want housing 60 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: capacity to go back in Auckland because Auckland's got to grow. 61 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: So you can come up with a new plan and 62 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: by the way, while you're doing it, can you go 63 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: up around the CRL stations which everyone agrees is a 64 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: good idea because the original plan didn't have that either, 65 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: by the way, so it is a big step forward 66 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: and what we had and you know now we're just 67 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: going to tweak it in Finessa and that's all good. 68 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: I'm really relaxed about it. I think we'll get there 69 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: and I think that was a really preg meted way through. 70 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: As appreciate your time. Chris Bishop, Housing Minister with us 71 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: this morning. 72 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 73 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 74 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.