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Speaker 2: Welcome to day. We're standing orders the vade out of

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Speaker 2: the parliamentary shambles that is the Bowery Party. Do we

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Speaker 2: need to tough enough good? A new report that suggests

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Speaker 2: that making our roads out of concrete actually makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Basketball is about to become our high school's hottest sport.

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Speaker 2: The PM does the PM thing Politics Wednesday Gager along

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Speaker 2: Richard Arnold Steve Price, they make it a perfect Wednesday

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Speaker 2: as well. Tasking seven past six turns out we got

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Speaker 2: too many spare bedrooms in our house. Not my house,

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Speaker 2: but everyone's house on average. We've got too many spare

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Speaker 2: bedrooms in this country headline headline do couples really need

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Speaker 2: a four bedroom house? Interesting question?

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Speaker 3: Need?

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Speaker 2: What do we need? And who decides? Census data show

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Speaker 2: sixty two percent of four beddies in the Thames Corrimanal

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Speaker 2: are home to a couple. Presumably the couple only uses

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Speaker 2: one bedroom, So we've got three spare bedrooms there? Do

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Speaker 2: we need them? Those three? The inferences Why aren't we

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Speaker 2: all living in a one bedroom? In kai Kura it's

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Speaker 2: fifty six percent, Christchurch just thirty six. The more urban

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Speaker 2: you get, the lower the number goes. In Norkland's twenty

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Speaker 2: seven percent. It's sort of interesting, I suppose in a

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Speaker 2: sense to see sort of way, I mean, what they

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Speaker 2: do with it? I don't know. Why do we live

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Speaker 2: in the houses we do? Here's my guess. One, because

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Speaker 2: when we buy at the house we have kids. The

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Speaker 2: kids will eventually leave, hence spare rooms. Two. If we

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Speaker 2: bought houses for bedrooms, we would have we at houses.

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Speaker 2: See we like space, don't we? How do we know this?

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Speaker 2: Because last time I checked, we had the third biggest

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Speaker 2: houses on average in the world, behind the US and Australia.

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Speaker 2: And a big lounge and a media room and a

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Speaker 2: scullery are generally found in houses with more bedrooms. Is

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Speaker 2: this bad? Should we feel guilty about it? I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have thought so, But then I didn't write the headline

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Speaker 2: through couples really new to for all bedroom house. It

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Speaker 2: didn't used to be this way. More fun stats from

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Speaker 2: the Census for you in the nineties. The percentage of

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Speaker 2: houses with two or more spare bedrooms was thirty percent,

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Speaker 2: it is now forty percent. The real issue is the

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Speaker 2: word need. There are lots of things in life we

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Speaker 2: don't need. We don't need to go to the Gold coast,

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Speaker 2: or the wealthy coast, or any coast. We don't need

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Speaker 2: art on the walls more than a couple of shirts

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Speaker 2: I guess in the wardrobe, or a second helping of cake.

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Speaker 2: But that's not how life works. And how life works

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Speaker 2: is we like to indulge ourselves. We like to expand

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Speaker 2: and enjoy. We like to dabble and luxury gate. We

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Speaker 2: like to do stuff that isn't necessary, but it's fun.

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Speaker 2: We like fun. We like our houses. We like what

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Speaker 2: they say about us. We like to have a place

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Speaker 2: for a visitor. If everything was a decision on need,

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Speaker 2: how dull, uninspiring and repressed, would.

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Speaker 4: We be.

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Speaker 5: News of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: So there's World War three about to start. The long

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Speaker 2: range missiles have been fired by Ukraine.

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Speaker 6: Put in one's war. Dear as long as as possible.

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Speaker 6: As long a war, the longer we'll be in crumbling.

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Speaker 6: It's very un staable. This is his goal to destroy us,

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Speaker 6: all of us.

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Speaker 2: The Russians are fared off a warning or two of

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Speaker 2: their own.

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Speaker 4: We will be taking this as a quantitatively new face

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Speaker 4: of the Western war in against Russia, and we will

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Speaker 4: react according you.

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Speaker 2: Starmer who's at the G twenty stands firm.

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Speaker 7: Ukraine must have what it needs for as long as

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Speaker 7: it needs, and we must put Ukraine in the strongest

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Speaker 7: possible position to.

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Speaker 2: Win this war.

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Speaker 7: It impacts Ukraine, but it impacts all of us, and

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Speaker 7: Russia cannot be allowed to win this war.

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Speaker 2: Then in Britain, the farmers were on the march over

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Speaker 2: the inheritance text.

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Speaker 8: As we won't be able to pay it, we will

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Speaker 8: have the setate, and that means that we lose the land,

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Speaker 8: and it means it won't be found in it anymore.

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Speaker 8: We'll go to someone else, and we would have lost it.

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Speaker 8: Our family would have lost it, despite us having had

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Speaker 8: it for three generations now and despite our family having

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Speaker 8: found for hundreds of years.

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Speaker 2: The Tories there into it.

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Speaker 9: This policy is so obviously unfair, so obviously cruel. We

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Speaker 9: will do everything we can to make sure that in

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Speaker 9: a few years time, if they do not u turn now,

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Speaker 9: we will reverse this task.

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Speaker 2: And the UK's hit farmer has some advice for the

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Speaker 2: chancellor back down.

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Speaker 10: You know, if you make a mistake, we'll do and

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Speaker 10: they be big enough to say we made a mistake

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Speaker 10: there and then back down.

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Speaker 2: Finally, new record. We got a silver coin that was

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Speaker 2: struck in sixteen fifty two before the US was even founded.

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Speaker 2: Was uncovered eight years ago in the back of the cabinet,

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Speaker 2: was in the Netherlands. It'd set a new record. It's

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Speaker 2: been sold. It's about the size of a nickel. It's

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Speaker 2: value in silver is worth a little over a buck,

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Speaker 2: but its age and it ties to American history is

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Speaker 2: meant it has worth you ready, ding ding Ding ding

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Speaker 2: ding ding four point two seven million dollars, which is

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Speaker 2: a new record for a non gold coin. And that's

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Speaker 2: news of the world in ninety seconds. Business gold coins

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Speaker 2: that Chinese would use a few they front loaded. They're

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five undercoming increasingly a interested and be worried

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Speaker 2: about China. They've front loaded their twenty five local government

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Speaker 2: special bonds they throw money at, I mean the hidden debt,

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Speaker 2: the problems in housing. I mean, China's just mired and

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Speaker 2: debt anyway, So the Chinese Finance Ministry announced yesterday they're

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Speaker 2: front loading part of their twenty five local special bond quota.

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Speaker 2: They we've already tossed over half a billion at them,

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Speaker 2: And of course, earlier on this month China generally unveiled

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Speaker 2: what would it be to be over a trillion by

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Speaker 2: way of a debt package to use local government financing.

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Speaker 2: So it still doesn't appear to have worked properly. Twelve

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Speaker 2: past six.

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Speaker 2: Another day now the court case Richard arand later, but

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Speaker 2: I can tell you the Georgia Appeals caught the Trump

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Speaker 2: cases was with him ringing up the bloke and going

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Speaker 2: further notice, So things going his way at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen past six, Ya, my wife Andrew callaher. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: Very good morning, Mike. We had to bust open a

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Speaker 2: liter of milk. Shall we more celebration and daring more

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Speaker 2: good numbers this morning?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, we're getting a good run of news for the

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Speaker 11: dairy sector, aren't we. So following that bumper global dairy

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Speaker 11: Trade auction out come two weeks ago, that's been followed

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Speaker 11: up by another positive global dairy trade auction overnight. So

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Speaker 11: the Global Dairy Trade Price Index is up one point

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Speaker 11: nine percent. I'll remind you that on the fifth and

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Speaker 11: November the index was up four point eight percent, so

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Speaker 11: we'll take all of that. There was a sort of

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Speaker 11: prices fell. But other than that, that's been sort of

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Speaker 11: a steady move high in the index for months now.

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Speaker 11: And if you look at the breakdown of the outcome,

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Speaker 11: look at the individual constituent components, there's sort of more

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Speaker 11: good news there. Butter Butter lovers, you can breathe a

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Speaker 11: little bit of a siary. Remember the food Price Index,

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Speaker 11: Mike it said it was up like something like thirty

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Speaker 11: three percent over the course of last year. Well, it's

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Speaker 11: only up point five percent in this global dairy trade auction,

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Speaker 11: so hopefully that will stay those rises eventually. Mozzarella was

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Speaker 11: down six point six percent, with the key products skim

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Speaker 3: Whole milk powder.

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Speaker 11: Skim milk power up zero point nine percent, but very

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Speaker 11: importantly a three point two percent lift in whole milk

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Speaker 11: powder is that that is the highest price we've seen

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Speaker 11: for whole milk powder. If you look at the average

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Speaker 11: price at the auction since the middle of two so

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Speaker 11: forecast farm get mill price. Good news for a sector

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Speaker 11: that's important for real New Zealand's important for New Zealand

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Speaker 11: in general and particularly Mike in a week when you

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Speaker 11: saw manufacturing and services sector reports sort of more downbeat numbers.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly, Ary and one of those banks was

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Speaker 2: suggesting it's not out of the question to go to

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Speaker 2: ten dollars. So let's wait. See KMD is interesting. So

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Speaker 2: Catman do, I mean, you've never seen a more divergent

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so cap Man do, which the catmand Group which

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Speaker 11: now includes cap Mandu, Rip Curl and Ovals the hiking Boots.

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Speaker 11: They held their AGM yesterday and they released to the

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Speaker 11: Stock Exchange a first quarter trading update. So this is

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Speaker 11: the first quarter of their new financial year, which includes

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Speaker 11: the sort of three months to the end of October

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty four. It's been described as mixed. It looks

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Speaker 11: pretty soft to me, particularly from a New Zealand point

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Speaker 11: of view, but first quarter sales are five point eight

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Speaker 11: comments that director consumer sales results have improved for rip.

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Speaker 2: Curl and Katmandu since the last trading update.

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Speaker 11: Given both are still worse, what they're actually saying is

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Speaker 11: they're less worse than they were, And yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 11: there's this weird differential between caapman Do sales and australiaan Museum.

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Speaker 11: If you look at Australia Q one sales are four

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Speaker 11: point three percent above last year's numbers, which is good,

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Speaker 11: isn't it. But in New Zealand those sales decreased by

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Speaker 11: fifteen point four percent. You look at that, so there's

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Speaker 11: got to be something going on. Apparently it's not like

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Speaker 11: for light because last year they had some strong end

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Speaker 11: of line clearance sales in August, so you're not comparing

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Speaker 11: Light Flight.

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Speaker 2: But still it looks awful, doesn't it.

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Speaker 11: Outlook, of course, is key here, and if you're like

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Speaker 11: me and you have permanent retail fatigue, you're not going

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Speaker 11: to enjoy the next few weeks because what is key

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Speaker 11: for the outlet for retail is Black Friday and Christmas

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Speaker 11: periods Black Friday twenty ninth and November coming into that.

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Speaker 11: So prepared to be assaulted by Black Friday retail ads

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Speaker 11: on every social media you're at, you're on. But the

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Speaker 11: starting point for the companies that they're cautious on consumer spending,

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Speaker 11: certainly in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: That would appear to be justified.

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Speaker 2: Retail is not out of the woods here yet, Mike, No,

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Speaker 2: it is not. What about inflation, how are we seeing that?

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Speaker 5: Well, this is weird.

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Speaker 11: This is household inflation expectations. I've talked recently about the

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Speaker 11: arbian Zed Survey of inflation expectations. That's inflation expectations from

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Speaker 11: a point of view professionals. They survey professionals. We know

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Speaker 11: how inflation expectations are important. They do the survey of

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Speaker 11: households as well.

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Speaker 3: You've got to look.

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Speaker 11: At the direction of travel here, because the nominal numbers

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Speaker 11: look kind of crazy. Households see inflation as being quite

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Speaker 11: a bit higher than the two point two CPI print.

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Speaker 11: They see inflation at the moment at what might they

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Speaker 11: see inflation at six percent? They see it at four

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Speaker 11: point one percent time in the four point one percent

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Speaker 11: the years done. The important thing, though, is the expectations

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Speaker 11: aren't changing. They're relatively stable, so they're relatively anchored.

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Speaker 2: That's what the Abians wants to see.

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Speaker 11: That's what they're getting if you sort of ignore the

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Speaker 13: So it's not about you, it's not about your farm

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, it's not the fact that the fact that

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Speaker 3: Seen you listening to this.

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Speaker 13: Have you tried to get a GP appointment lately?

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Speaker 3: Yes? I just recently had a heart attack.

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Speaker 13: Okay, so you know it's tough. Yes, So where should

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Speaker 3: Paying for everything, which, okay, we do.

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Speaker 10: You know how many people pay inheritance stats in this country?

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Speaker 10: Ninety six percent of the population of the UK does

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Speaker 10: Well, the same place that Rachel Reeves does, from the

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Speaker 13: I am the not expressing opinions. I'm literally asking you questions.

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Speaker 2: Back to the houses, talking about these four beadies and

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Speaker 2: how we got too many spare bedrooms and all that stuff. Mike,

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Speaker 2: More from Richard Arnold. Shortly now, we're revisiting the idea

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Speaker 2: of concrete roading. We've got an infometrics report that punk

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Speaker 2: concrete is seventeen percent cheaper in the long run over tarmac,

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Speaker 16: To you, Yeah morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Last year, about twelve months ago, did an interview with

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Speaker 2: Are the US a good model if you want to

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Speaker 17: I would say so because of one in two rows

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Speaker 17: adding to our future maintenance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 17: So we're calling for a paradigm shift. We need the

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Speaker 2: And if it's sensible, why hasn't it been argued cohesively,

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Speaker 17: Well, we've tried. I think we had a very good

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Speaker 17: meeting with the ministers fairly recently, and our in discussions

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Speaker 17: we do support the government's position online transport, which talks

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Speaker 2: Is it the upper front that's the problem.

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Speaker 17: I think it probably is with history, higher discounts actors

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Speaker 17: in the past, and if you look at the Informetrics

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Speaker 17: for concrete all over the whole of life. Concrete then

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Speaker 2: Right, And what about the environmental is that major or minor?

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Speaker 17: Well, what's happened fairly recently, Mike, is that the UN's

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Speaker 17: absorbed CO two and that's quite significant. So you've got

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Speaker 17: that puts the argument for concrete versus affelt. We believe

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Speaker 17: in favor of concrete, and we're on a journeys to

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Speaker 17: use decarbonized So we launched our roadmap for that carbon

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Speaker 17: zero last year and if we deliver on that by

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Speaker 17: which is pretty significant.

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Speaker 2: Exactly the report brought out the other day. By the way,

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Speaker 2: on concrete, generally we're pouring more than we have been,

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Speaker 2: but not as much as we used to. How would

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Speaker 17: Yeah, so probably eighteen months ago. Record volumes are going

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Speaker 17: Last year down probably twenty percent, so around sort of

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Speaker 17: three point eight million cuban meters. And by the way,

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Speaker 17: that's all quality assured concrete. So generally we've seen down,

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Speaker 2: Text here for you, concrete roads are terribly noisy.

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Speaker 17: You say what I say, No, I say, there's a

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Speaker 17: perfection that they were with joints. But these days you

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Speaker 17: can design concrete roads so that they whisper whisper quiet

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Speaker 17: with new technology, and that's what they're doing in other jurisdictions,

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Nice to talk to you, Rob Gamester, who

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Speaker 2: the concrete New Zealand boss. Take a look at how

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Speaker 2: the German auto banners built. Mike lived in the States

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Speaker 2: for years. Mike, concrete roads everywhere, fabulous to drive on.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen minutes away from seven we can see concrete New

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Speaker 2: interesting chaser to this is they say it's more climate friendly,

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Speaker 2: absorbing carbon over time. Really, while you've just heard the facts,

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Speaker 2: we farmers are told grass doesn't so concrete absorbed, So

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Speaker 2: maybe we've learned something there this morning stand by for

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Speaker 2: Mike, in the Second World War when the Americans were here,

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Speaker 2: part of the Desert Road was made of the concrete.

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Speaker 2: Is it still there? That's proof of durability while they're

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Speaker 2: closing the Desert Road. Of course over the summer period

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Speaker 2: where he yesterday, which is depressing Mike, Concrete is much

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Speaker 2: smoother and as anyone who has cycled on a smooth

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Speaker 2: ride on and rough Ashfeldt service. Therefore, you'd imagine less

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Speaker 2: petrol and diesel will be used driving on concrete, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Some of the problems with the con roads in New

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Speaker 2: but the report does point out it's not ruby roads,

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Speaker 2: not through the Marlborough Sounds. It's on state highway stuff

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Speaker 2: like that. Electric cars Mike, heavier leading to more wear

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Speaker 2: on tar seal roads. I saw a review of a car.

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Speaker 2: It was a Porsche mccawn, the new porschemccahn's two point

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Speaker 2: four tons. It's a smallest issue. It's two point four tons.

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Speaker 2: You can still buy a petrol McCarn right, it's four

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Speaker 2: hundred kgs lighter. So I'm asking a question, if you've

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Speaker 2: got an EV, what's that doing to your tires? An

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Speaker 2: EV must burn through tires like there is no tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Six forty five International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance,

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Speaker 1: Peace of mind for New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Business, Reginald Morning, Good morning. That right so Pertin signed.

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Speaker 2: The piece of paper doesn't mean anything. Where are we

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Speaker 2: going with us?

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Speaker 14: Well, we'll see whyn't we? On this one thousandth day

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Speaker 14: of the war in Ukraine, it's getting more and more dangerous.

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Speaker 14: You'd have to say that at the least with Putin

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Speaker 14: lower the bar for using his nuclear arsenal as Ukraine

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Speaker 14: has fired American made ballistic missiles into Russia for the

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Speaker 14: first time. The Ukrainian missile strike comes just two days

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Speaker 14: after Biden allowed the use of the so called attacker

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Speaker 14: missiles on Russian territory. Ukraine. Zelenski has been pressing for

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Speaker 14: the Okay to use these longer range missiles for months

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Speaker 14: and months. They have arranged for about three hundred kilometers.

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Speaker 14: They can carry a one hundred and seventy kilos of explosives.

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Speaker 14: They fly higher in the atmosphere than artillery rockets. All

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Speaker 14: this comes, of course, in the final months of the

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Speaker 14: Biden administration, and as Trump says he wants a quick

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Speaker 14: end to the war, perhaps on Russian terms, Zelenski says

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Speaker 14: Ukraine needs a strong hand before any negotiations.

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Speaker 3: Is focused on waning this war.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 14: These five attack of missiles were used in a pre

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Speaker 14: dawn attack on an ammunition depot in Bryansky in southwestern Russia.

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Speaker 14: Military analysts retired there Force Colonel Cedric Layton says.

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Speaker 18: The Ukrainians have to have some tactical successes if they're

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Speaker 18: going to have a successful for a Debt to peace

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Speaker 18: conference and a Bible Aspire at least well.

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Speaker 14: The new Putin doctrine says there could be a nuclear

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Speaker 14: first strike even after a conventional attack by any nation

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Speaker 14: backed by a nuclear power, so it opens up even

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Speaker 14: furtherly potential for nuclear weapons used by Russia. It does

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Speaker 14: not require it so it leaves putin that wiggle room.

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Speaker 14: But this policy line is increasingly on a razor's edge.

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Speaker 2: All right, and then we come to today's cabinet signings.

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Speaker 2: Who we got?

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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, Well, we're hearing a lot more about fast

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Speaker 14: times on Capitol Hill. We know that sex life of

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Speaker 14: Matt Gates, whom President elect Trump wants as a tough

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Speaker 14: justice official in the country. The lawyer for two women

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Speaker 14: who testified about sexual misconduct by Gates is speaking out.

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Speaker 14: He is fellow named Joel Leppert, who says Gates had

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Speaker 14: sex with one of his clients, who was under age

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Speaker 14: at the time at seventeen, a sexual act that was

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Speaker 14: witnessed by another young girl at the party.

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Speaker 19: At this house party, she was walking out to the

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Speaker 19: pool area and she looked her right and she saw

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Speaker 19: Representative Gates having sat with her friend, who was seventeen.

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Speaker 14: Well, this lawyer says his clients testified that Gates paid

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Speaker 14: them both for six She also says.

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Speaker 19: Her understanding was a Matt Gates did not know that

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Speaker 19: she was a minor, and that when he learned that

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Speaker 19: she was a miner, that he broke off things and

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Speaker 19: did not continue a sexual relationship until she turned eighteen.

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Speaker 14: However, on this story, this was six four cash, says

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Speaker 14: the lawyer.

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Speaker 19: They essentially put the venmill payments on the screen and

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Speaker 19: asked about demman, and my client's repeatedly testified what was

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Speaker 19: this payment for?

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Speaker 3: Without that was for sex? Yes?

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Speaker 14: So how often did they have these orgies, sex parties whatever?

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Speaker 3: Not? All of them were parties.

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Speaker 19: So some of them were events, such as the attended

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Speaker 19: election events at hotels, they went with him to New

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Speaker 19: York for a taping on Fox News. But approximately perhaps

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Speaker 19: ten times, ten to fifteen times.

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Speaker 14: So Trump is doubling down on all of this. He

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Speaker 14: has personally contacted some senators who would be involved in

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Speaker 14: the vote on where the Gates should be confirmed. Does

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Speaker 14: Federal ag Elon Musk also getting into the act, he

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Speaker 14: tweeted today or exed or whatever you say these days, quote,

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Speaker 14: Matt Gates has three critical assets that are needed for

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Speaker 14: the attorney general role. A big brain, a spine of

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Speaker 14: steel at an axe to grind Elon adds quote, as

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Speaker 14: for these accusations against him, I consider them worth less

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Speaker 14: than nothing. Well, so says the fellow with what twelve

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Speaker 14: children from three women, as he seeks to populate planet Mars.

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Speaker 14: Gates also took the two young women off to New

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Speaker 14: York in twenty nineteen when Gates appeared on Fox News.

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Speaker 14: They were asked to go there and have sex with Gates,

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Speaker 14: and then they could go along and see the Broadway

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Speaker 14: play Pretty Woman, a show about a wealthy businessman who

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Speaker 14: falls in love with a prostitute. What a charmer's Matt

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Speaker 14: Gates abe. He also paid for them to travel to

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Speaker 14: the Bahamas with other young women. The younger girl was asked,

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Speaker 14: do you believe you are a victim of Matt Gates?

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Speaker 14: Her lawyer required quote, My client paused and said that's

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Speaker 14: a difficult question for me, and then she started crying

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Speaker 14: and revealed she has been going through extensive counseling. House

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Speaker 14: members will consider, to mo sorrow whether the House Ethics

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Speaker 14: report should be releasing, as most of it's out already,

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Speaker 14: although who knows how much there is really just quickly.

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Speaker 14: Trump has indicated that Howard Lutnik will become as Secretary.

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Speaker 14: He wanted the Treasury job and Elon had pressed for that,

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Speaker 14: so it's a loss for Elon. But Trump and Mask

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Speaker 14: are off today at a SpaceX rocket launch, so the

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Speaker 14: bromance continues.

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Speaker 2: It's see Ferrida, appreciate it. Richard Arnold state side. Brendan

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Speaker 2: carrs your other one. Brendan is the chairman or will

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Speaker 2: be the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. We must

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Speaker 2: dismantle the censorship cartel and restore free speech rights for

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Speaker 2: everyday Americans. He wrote the chapter on the FCC in

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Speaker 2: the Blueprint Project twenty twenty five, which you heard about

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Speaker 2: during the campaign, taking aim at technology companies for censorship.

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Speaker 2: Promise to hold broadcast TV and radio stations accountable. Pledged

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Speaker 2: to we in the FCC's promotion of diversity, equity and

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Speaker 2: inclusion efforts. Very Trump get away from seven on.

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Speaker 1: The my costal breakfast with the range rover of the

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Speaker 1: line News Talks FB.

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Speaker 2: Here we go, Mike Ev on average twenty to thirty

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Speaker 2: k Mila John a set of tires Premium brands bollocks

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Speaker 2: I call bs standard tires are twenty thousand k's for

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Speaker 2: a set of tires is and that's a regular cow.

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Speaker 2: So I don't believe your EV is doing it.

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Speaker 3: Mike.

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Speaker 2: I'm rolling over three hundred thousand k's with my twenty

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Speaker 2: eighteen Ionic still on my third set of tires, So

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Speaker 2: you're telling me you're doing one hundred thousand k's on

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Speaker 2: a set of tires. I call bs Taresler Model three

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Speaker 2: owner here, Mike, tire where is the biggest and only

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Speaker 2: issue for us? No negative camber adjustment, so wears on

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Speaker 2: the inside quickly so living in the corrimand a lot

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Speaker 2: of winding driving wheel alignments every four to six months.

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Speaker 2: Learnt that from not aligning. A new set only lasted

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Speaker 2: six thousand k's. Mike, I've got a tie can new

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Speaker 2: tires at fifteen ks six two hundred for four tires

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Speaker 2: not very economical year tires themselves are another debate. Fifteen

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Speaker 2: thousand k's. I got the worst I've ever done. I've

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Speaker 2: never owned an EV obviously, but the worst I ever had.

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Speaker 2: I had a big Audi once, a big Q seven

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Speaker 2: and I bowled through a new set of tires and

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Speaker 2: seventeen and I went ballistic. I thought, that's a scam.

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Speaker 12: Seven lucky. Those tires are so cheap to replace.

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Speaker 2: Though where they were they were bikad. This was years ago.

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Speaker 2: They're fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen hundred dollars each wasn't as bad?

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Speaker 2: Shall I tell you a Ferrari story? Or are you're

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Speaker 2: sick of those? I burnt through a couple of tires

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Speaker 2: on the Ferrari. Not burnt through, they got flat and

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Speaker 2: they got a puncture that you couldn't repair. Do you

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Speaker 2: know what a Ferrari tire's worth. It's five minutes away

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Speaker 2: from seven by all the outs.

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Speaker 1: It's the fears with business favor take your business productivity

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Speaker 1: to the next level.

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Speaker 2: It was worth so much. The guy at Ferrari, God

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Speaker 2: bless him, Rob, who's the nicest guy in the world,

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Speaker 2: felt so sorry for me. He gave me a big discount.

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Speaker 2: He said, these tires are so expensive. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: give you a massive discount.

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Speaker 12: I thought you were going to say any through. And

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Speaker 12: you know, an day twenty.

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Speaker 2: No turns out. Franchising per capita, we have more franchises

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Speaker 2: in this country than anywhere in the world. And I've

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Speaker 2: got a new report into franchising for you this morning.

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Speaker 2: Looked into the habits of business owner who can and

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Speaker 2: can't get into franchises. Found that almost half of buyers

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Speaker 2: looking to get in in the next few months of

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Speaker 2: those who own have owned their own business, which aligns

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Speaker 2: with the high franchise per capital ownership. When you realize

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Speaker 2: ninety seven percent of businesses in this country are indeed

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Speaker 2: small businesses. Interest driven by the fact it's tough out there,

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Speaker 2: so franchise support offers security. Seventy eight percent of prospective

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Speaker 2: buyers have had management experience age Wise, two thirds of

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Speaker 2: people buying into franchises are thirty five to fifty four ish.

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Speaker 2: Seventy percent looked to buy into a franchise with a

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Speaker 2: spouse or a partner, a friend. That means you may

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Speaker 2: maybe add more skill to the mix, maybe also some

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Speaker 2: more money. No real average for a cost to get

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Speaker 2: into a franchise ranges between twenty five thousand and five

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand. What's a gym's mowing worth? Oh, I've always

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Speaker 2: fancied a bit of a gym's mowing myself, because I

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Speaker 2: like a mower, like a line trimmer. I'd charge premium,

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Speaker 2: of course, because I'm good at it, but a gym's

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Speaker 2: mowing would be good. More than sixty percent of owners

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Speaker 2: expected to have a positive income in the first year,

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Speaker 2: and a half of this group expect to win at

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Speaker 2: least six figures annually. So it's good doing if you

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Speaker 2: can do it. Buyer Inquiry four franchises is up thirty

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Speaker 2: two percent in the last three months. Everyone's into being

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Speaker 2: in the franchise. Over four thousand dollars is the answer

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Speaker 2: A tire And I don't know if you'd noticed that

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Speaker 2: a Ferrari's got four of them. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: money for tires. Ask me why I don't drive a

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Speaker 2: Ferrari anymore? Exactly So Shane Jones, God bless him. I

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Speaker 2: was watching him yesterday in the house and he stood

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Speaker 2: up and he said to the speaker, and it's interesting

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Speaker 2: the speakers seem to get a bit mythed by it all.

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Speaker 2: So you got the privileges thing with the Mari party

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Speaker 2: that's still to unfold. Shane Jones says, that's not enough.

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Speaker 2: We need to look at the whole law based system,

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Speaker 2: the standing orders within the house, because these clowns are

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Speaker 2: out of control. I think he's got a point. He's

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 1: Next the breakfast show, you can trys the Mike Hosking

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Speaker 1: Breakfast with al Vida, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way.

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Speaker 2: Tosadven supposed the parliamentary circus we saw last week, the

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Speaker 2: callers come out standing and will do something about standing

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Speaker 2: orders and whether they adequately deal with a set of

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Speaker 2: circumstances that clearly were not envisaged in more moderate times.

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Speaker 2: Shane Jones raised the matter with the Speaker and he's

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Speaker 2: with us. Very good morning to you. Wellflix, I happen

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Speaker 2: to be watching it. Did Jerry brownly take offense that

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Speaker 2: you'll suggest in the sense I am taking it seriously?

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Speaker 2: Do you believe he's taking it seriously and can do

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Speaker 2: something substantial?

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Speaker 20: Oh, he's a very senior parliamentarian. He's exasperated. Look, we're

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Speaker 20: good a situation where the Maldi Party are really political vacrants.

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Speaker 20: They turn up when they want to. They don't believe

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Speaker 20: the rules of regulations, the duties of being parliamentarians apply

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Speaker 20: to them. They got that young fellow from the South

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Speaker 20: Island who's currently before the Privileges Committee. I forget the

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Speaker 20: boy's name. I mean he turns up in Parliament for

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Speaker 20: the beanie made out of feathers. Look, these standards are

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Speaker 20: completely being trashed. But they believe that because they're possessed

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Speaker 20: of a new morals per indigenous culture, that the rest

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Speaker 20: of us will Maldi or non Maldi in Parliament a stale,

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Speaker 20: pale mail and they're going to lead us to the

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Speaker 20: new Nirvana. I got news for them. They can be

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Speaker 20: hauled off to the Privileges Committee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well see here's the problem. So you got two things.

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Speaker 2: You're talking standing orders and you've got privileges, privileges for

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Speaker 2: last week. Will they do you think, actually do anything?

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Speaker 2: And if they do, what will it be? And do

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Speaker 2: the Maori Party give a toss?

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Speaker 20: Well, I wrote the letter and it's up to Jerry

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Speaker 20: to give them an opportunity for a couple of days.

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Speaker 20: But look, what's the point of coming to Parliament as

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Speaker 20: a little party and they sort of addressed as scarecrows?

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Speaker 20: How can I take that serious? How can you zeland

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Speaker 20: skill their money, their taxpayer money which got a fortune

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Speaker 20: to ru in Parliament? And if the Standing Orders Committee

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Speaker 20: can meet sooner rather than later and come up with

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Speaker 20: some new penalties, some new censures, so that these people

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Speaker 20: realize that no Parliament belongs to the people and you

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Speaker 20: don't speak for the people, you speak for a time minority.

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Speaker 20: And those who turned out yesterday at Tohkoi, they're all

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Speaker 20: going home to pay their bills and the theaters over

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Speaker 20: now and get back and look after their kids and

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Speaker 20: join the rest of the repress.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, problem for the standing orders, what do you do?

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Speaker 2: What is the penalty?

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Speaker 20: Well, the penalties have historically work, but we don't live

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Speaker 20: in a world of TikTok now. We live in the

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Speaker 20: world as a consequence of Jacinda and Mallard, where rules

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Speaker 20: have been inverted. You can wear I think I saw

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Speaker 20: someone come one day and then jendles into Parliament. Of

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Speaker 20: course you've got the Greens dress them as Hames loving

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Speaker 20: kind of shawl outfit. I mean, not the hell's happening

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Speaker 20: to New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I tend to agree with you, but the problem is

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Speaker 2: they're not employees and you can't sack them. And when

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Speaker 2: they dance on the floor of Parliament and we're appalled,

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Speaker 2: as you were quite right to point out, and your

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Speaker 2: hear Ald piece the other day. The standing Orders can't

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Speaker 2: sack them, they can't put them in jail, they can't

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Speaker 2: book them out of the house. They're stuck, aren't they.

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Speaker 20: Yes, we'll sadly in the old days, if you are

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Speaker 20: continually violated the underlying principles of Parliament, you're thrown in

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Speaker 20: the dungeon. And sadly those days are gone. Although I

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Speaker 20: was looking across Ferver straight the other day trying to

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Speaker 20: find it a suitable place for those malcontents. But look,

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Speaker 20: let's trust in the judgment of these of the senior

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Speaker 20: MPs that are on the standing orders. They are able

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Speaker 20: of coming up with new rules and new laws that

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Speaker 20: have a genuinely deterring, deterrent like effect upon them. But

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Speaker 20: you look at the people you're talking to, I really

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Speaker 20: want toy very rarely ever comes to Parliament and it's

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Speaker 20: hard to recognize them under that enormous hat, a cowboy

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Speaker 20: hat by the way, which he wears. Debbie comes festooned

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Speaker 20: with feathers and sort of Scapo like accoutrements. And how

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Speaker 20: can you take that serious brief?

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Shane Jones and your first MP.

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Speaker 2: Behind all of that is, in fact, of course a

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Speaker 2: serious point. And if you didn't read this piece in

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Speaker 2: the Herald, you should because one of the best points

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Speaker 2: he made was middle New Zealand has been appalled to

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Speaker 2: what's happened to this country in the last week or so.

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Speaker 2: And I think he's spot on. Eleven past seven. If

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Speaker 2: we've got the annual Health New Zealand survey results, eighty

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Speaker 2: five percent of us say we're in good health. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what the point of that is. Ninety seven

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Speaker 2: percent of children they're in the same state. Apparently more

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Speaker 2: kids are in homes that run out of food, though

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Speaker 2: fifty percent of adults aren't exercising enough, and wait times

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Speaker 2: are up as well. Wait times and places like GPS

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Speaker 2: University of Auckland health economist Paula la Gelly as well

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Speaker 2: as PAULA very good morning to you, Cia, Mike is

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Speaker 2: asking people whether they're in good health of any use

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Speaker 2: to anybody at all.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I think it's the only way we do understand

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Speaker 21: how people feel. Obviously, you can have a chronic condition

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Speaker 21: and that might get picked up in some health records,

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Speaker 21: but actually, you know, having a barometer on the health

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Speaker 21: of the population, this is a great way of doing it.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you look at the numbers and believe the numbers,

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Speaker 2: then the health system, I'm led to believe by the media,

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Speaker 2: is on the verge of collapse in all sorts of

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Speaker 2: different areas. And yet if you ask your averter New

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Speaker 2: Zealand and they're feeling fine, how do you square that circle?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, well, they are feeling fine. But I think that's

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Speaker 21: just a something as a nature of the qui you know,

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Speaker 21: are you in how is your health today excellent, good,

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Speaker 21: very good, fear or poor? And it's all relative to

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Speaker 21: you know, maybe some expectation of what you think it

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Speaker 21: should be or others around you are like and you know,

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Speaker 21: and how you're facing with aging.

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Speaker 2: And looking at that both there is sorry carry on.

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Speaker 21: There is indication in the survey that the health system

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Speaker 21: is in crisis. So as you noted, so we're struggling

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Speaker 21: still to get a GP appointment and there are less

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Speaker 21: attendances at GPS and actually now as a corollery, there

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Speaker 21: are more people attending emergency department, you know, and that's

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Speaker 21: because it's free and it's not constrained between nine and

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Speaker 21: five you say, still have to weight. So you know,

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Speaker 21: that's a reflection, I guess on the cost of living

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Speaker 21: in the crisis in the primary care sector.

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Speaker 2: What do you read on vaping? These smoking smoking's down,

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Speaker 2: vapings up or we're simply replacing one with another.

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Speaker 21: It looks that way. So we've really flatter owed in

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Speaker 21: this last year. We were on this amazing steady decline

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Speaker 21: and we could have done that additional push that was

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Speaker 21: repealed in parliament, and now it looks like vaping has

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Speaker 21: taken over. Of course we don't know the harms of

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Speaker 21: vaping yet, so we have now more people vaping. I mean,

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Speaker 21: one in four eighteen to twenty four year olds of vaping,

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Speaker 21: and that's surrendous statistic.

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Speaker 2: It's no good. Paula, appreciate your time, Paula la Gelly,

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Speaker 2: who's the University of Auckland health economist. It's thirteen minutes

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Speaker 2: on the market POA on that particular one. But you

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Speaker 2: don't get the car. There's no trailer, there's no motormoi,

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Speaker 2: there's no line Trummer. So you're paying fifteen and a

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Speaker 2: buy the stuff at the Funker.

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Speaker 12: Rays take a stick of your stills in the back

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Speaker 12: of your Ferrari.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. So what I'm saying the key takeaway here

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Speaker 2: is becoming a gym's motormile man is cheaper than having

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Speaker 2: four new ties on a Ferrari and if that's not news,

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Speaker 2: you can use I don't know what is fourteen past.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard

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Speaker 1: By News talks that'd be.

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Speaker 2: And Prime Minister with uson about fifteen minutes sixteen past

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Speaker 2: seven times there are changing on the sports fields of

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Speaker 2: this country. In just over a year's time, basketball is

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Speaker 2: going to take the top spot in high school's participations,

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Speaker 2: up sixty one percent in the last twenty five years.

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Speaker 2: The number so high that basketball in New Zealand aw

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Speaker 2: recans were about five hundred court short school sport in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. Boss Mike summrules, Well, it's Mike be good

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Speaker 2: morning to you.

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Speaker 16: Good morning, Hi.

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Speaker 2: Is it the US thing? Watch the NBA? Want to

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Speaker 2: be like you know? Whoever?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, look at I think it could be. I think

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Speaker 16: you know, you look at the use today and the

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Speaker 16: access to those types of streaming opportunities, and you watch

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Speaker 16: the NBA and on why wouldn't you want to go?

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Speaker 2: It's also to be fair, it's communal. You can play

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Speaker 2: it seriously or for fun. It's pick up, it's organized,

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Speaker 2: it's men, it's women, it's everything. It's the complete sport

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Speaker 2: if you think about it, isn't it.

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Speaker 16: I agree, Yeah, I think basketball are doing a great

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Speaker 16: job to make some get basketball accessible their hoops and

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Speaker 16: schools programs. It's working really well and the numbers are

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Speaker 16: showing it.

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Speaker 2: And it's cheap to participate and you need some shoes,

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Speaker 2: maybe a ball and that's you done.

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Speaker 22: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: As pure as form absolutely, you just get hope. And

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Speaker 16: they're doing really well at getting hoops around the country.

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Speaker 16: I think the costs seem to build as you get.

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Speaker 22: More formal with your participation.

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Speaker 16: But that's a problem for every sport.

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Speaker 2: How does this get organized? When schools or sports or

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Speaker 2: groups see something unfolding i e. A popularity, who triggers

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Speaker 2: the stuff that needs to happen to make it grow

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Speaker 2: even more i e. Courts and facilities.

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Speaker 5: Coot.

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Speaker 16: I think that's a big council conversation. Schools have got

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Speaker 16: great facilities and they can cater for the smaller games,

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Speaker 16: but when you look at the national competitions, be it

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Speaker 16: school sport or youth sport, that they're getting bigger and bigger,

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Speaker 16: and the facilities that we have are absolutely maxed out

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Speaker 16: and you add more sports on top because I mean

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Speaker 16: basketball's having a great time right now that volleyball are

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Speaker 16: doing exactly the same, are trying to use the same

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Speaker 16: court space. And these these are bit of conversations for

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Speaker 16: our planners, and well, I think we know how important

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Speaker 16: sport is in the lives of everybody, not just you,

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Speaker 16: and we want we want, we want these games to

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Speaker 16: be played indoors, it seems, and it's hard to come by.

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Speaker 2: And good that we're out in exercise and given the

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Speaker 2: health serbo we just did and half of us don't

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Speaker 2: even exercise, so we get out and do something productive

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Speaker 2: for ourselves. That's no bad thing. Appreciate it. Mike Mike

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Speaker 2: Summer School Sport, New Zealand CEO. I was selected for

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Speaker 2: the first five basketball team a Lynwood High School at

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Speaker 2: in form three. It was unheard of at the time.

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Speaker 12: And further, did you have an early growth burd or something.

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Speaker 2: I knew that was coming. And further, I was, indeed, yes,

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Speaker 2: the smallest person on the team, but I was a

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Speaker 2: shooting guard from outside. I was I was three point Hosking.

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Speaker 2: They called me Stephan Hosking. That was actually before Stephan

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Speaker 2: was even heard of.

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Speaker 12: That's how long we point or three foot Highking.

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Speaker 2: Standing Orders Committee. Shane Jones was suggesting to us, I've

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Speaker 2: got to talk to Jinny about the Justice Committee and

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Speaker 2: the Treaty Principals Bill because she's on the Justice Committee,

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Speaker 2: so she's in for six months of good times anyway.

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Speaker 2: So Shane was telling us the standing all this committee

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Speaker 2: is full of luminaries. Well, I've got Jerry at the top,

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Speaker 2: fair enough, he's a illuminary. Kiaran macinnaughty. I think I'd

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Speaker 2: give him a tick as well. Then the thing to

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Speaker 2: start to go or I I can give you Kappakini,

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Speaker 2: I can give you Mendes much, I can give you Uttakedy,

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop, maybe Jamie R. Buckle, Scott Simpson, Todd Stevenson's

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Speaker 2: of these? Is this the hike? Is this the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court of Parliamentary intellect? More Later seven twenty.

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Speaker 2: with Chemists Warehouse Pascus in twenty four ComCom Commas Commission

887
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: at times, I think has an easy job in the

888
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: sense it starts out life in appearance anyway as being

889
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: on our side, our being, you know, the people's side.

890
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 2: We need a hero protected to keep the big bad

891
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: boys away from our lives and our wallets. And lately

892
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 2: though they look like they might have a large legal

893
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: budget that someone's told them to spend or else they're

894
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: going to lose it. So out they come with the

895
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: lawyers the other day for one, you know, the telco

896
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: one over their starlink claims about texting anywhere in the country. Now,

897
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: this case to me looks literal. You can't say you

898
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: can text from anywhere if literally I can find a

899
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: place where you can't see. The room for adult interpretation

900
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: appears to be devoid of presence in this particular case.

901
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: Then we get food Stuffs yesterday, who are to appeal

902
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: a ruling by the ComCom on its merger. Now, the

903
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: interesting bit about food stuffs is that they are, unfortunately

904
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: a supermarket, and supermarkets are hated because they sell stuff

905
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: at prices we've decided are too high. They are in

906
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: the same category as banks and telcos and petrol stations

907
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: and airlines all out there at o rippus off, bleederstry

908
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: and generally make life miserable. Food stuff have got two bits,

909
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: the north and the south. They want to join the

910
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: two bits together. From a business perspective makes perfect sense.

911
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: You're playing with scale. Scales generally good, but scale also

912
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: reduces numbers in the market. It may well reduce competition.

913
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: Where we appear a bits stuck in this is that

914
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: very fine and quite probably indefinable line between letting people

915
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: get on with business and indeed creating an environment in

916
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: which business prospers and more businesses want to open, and

917
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: killing business by over regulating it, driven in part by

918
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 2: the fear over lack of competition and therefore the punter

919
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: being ripped off. What will be interesting is whether the

920
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: foodstuffs can argue their case on fact or on what

921
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 2: clearly is an overarching zeitgeist. The banks, for example, appeared

922
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: in front of the Government Committee into Banking the other day.

923
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: They made it, by thought, very plausible, very reasonable case

924
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: around their profits. It will make no difference though, because

925
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: the government doesn't want to hear it. Maybe foodstuffs are

926
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: the same. What is a decent price a decent margin?

927
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: What is the choice for a punter who sees a

928
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: can of beans at a higher price one place, so

929
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: goes elsewhere? Is the court even required if the zeitgeist

930
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: around business and its success is predetermined, whether sensibly logically

931
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: or not, Hosking, and we go to Australia. Just yesterday

932
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: they're having a similar inquiry, the a Triple C ongoing

933
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: public inquiry. They were accusing the supermarkets of land banking.

934
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: Definition of land banking differs from that of the Competition Watchdog,

935
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: which classifies it as the accumulation of land for the

936
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 2: purposes of blocking competition. The Australians saying no, no, no,

937
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: no no, we're not land banking at all. So even

938
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: in a market the size of Australia twenty six to

939
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 2: twenty seven million people, they're still arguing the same things

940
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 2: that we are.

941
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Speaker 3: Mike.

942
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: I think basketball growing for young people as it's played

943
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: on random weekdays and it doesn't overlap on Saturday Sport

944
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: and could be played all year round. It's very good point.

945
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 3: Mike.

946
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: Please point out to mister Luxon that he is not

947
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: reading the room. I have a retail store and most

948
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: people are talking about support for mister Seymour and how

949
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: Luxon is bowing to a minority of activists. Chris, you

950
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: clearly weren't interviewed by Radio New Zealand yesterday. Radio New

951
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: Zealand did a fabulous story and I'll come back to

952
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: it in more detail after, mister Luxeon. But Radio New

953
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: Zealand did a fabulous story yesterday with the headline Wellington

954
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: Business's upbeat about the hiccoy. Yesterday they went to the

955
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: businesses and they say businesses in central Wellington say their

956
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: stores are practically empty. But every business Radio New Zealand

957
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: spoke to supported the course. Who would have thought, now,

958
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: what businesses did they go to? Away here? You asked

959
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: the question. Well, funnily enough, I have the answer for you,

960
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: but that's after we do mister Luxelon, who was but

961
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 2: moments away on the mic hosting records.

962
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: They used bold opinions the mic hosking breakfast with the

963
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: range rover villa designed to intrigue and use togs dad be.

964
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 2: It's away from my politics Wednesday after Marke Mitchell, Ginny

965
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: Anderson as per regular, not quite as regular, but good

966
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: to have him anyway, course of Eluction back in the

967
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: country of course, and was there for yesterday Shenanigans. He's well,

968
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: that's very good morning to you. Good morning, Mike Goodall.

969
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: I had Change Jones on earlier on standing orders and

970
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: I saw him in the house yesterday and so they

971
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: got two things, as far as I can work out,

972
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 2: won the Privileges Committee and whether anything is done out

973
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 2: of the mess last week and two standing orders? Would

974
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 2: you back Joanes slash Brown on looking at standing orders

975
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: to try and tidy this place up.

976
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 23: Yes, yeah, absolutely, In fact we've already done that, supporting

977
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 23: asking that through a letter to the Speaker I think

978
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 23: yesterday as well.

979
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: I mean, the challenge here is you've got to have some.

980
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 23: Rules in parliament that mean that you can have a

981
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 23: debate and a discussion on difficult issues of which there

982
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 23: will be strong feelings on all sides of a debate,

983
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 23: without it just degenerating into sort of chaos. And so

984
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 23: you know, that's the challenge back to the Speaker, who's

985
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 23: the head of the legislature here in New Zealand. I

986
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 23: run the executive, he runs the legislature and we've got

987
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 23: to make sure that we're getting standing orders and rules

988
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 23: within the Parliament so that you can facilitate difficult debates

989
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 23: in conversations without degenerating into what we saw last Thursday.

990
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,959
Speaker 2: Problem is I put to Shane Jones and he didn't

991
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: have an answer. What is its standing orders can do

992
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: that is actually effective?

993
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 23: Well, that's the challenge we're putting back to the Speaker

994
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 23: to say, look, you know, we've always had these rules

995
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 23: that are operational within Parliament, and how do we make

996
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 23: sure that they are cossible, that they're the right rule

997
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 23: for the situations we encounter from time to time in

998
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 23: Parliament today and are they tough enough and are there

999
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 23: you are they strong enough and so to deal with

1000
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 23: you know, the conversations we're going to have going forward

1001
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 23: and we have already. So you just there's got to

1002
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 23: be respect for some rules because otherwise a democracy, you know,

1003
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 23: you've got to be able to have proper conversations in

1004
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 23: a parliament without it just degenerating and too you know,

1005
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,959
Speaker 23: fisticuffs ultimately is what you're seeing some other parliaments around

1006
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 23: the world, and you know, we just don't need any

1007
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 23: of that. We just need to say, look, it's a

1008
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 23: good time for us to review it. We've got a

1009
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 23: new generation of politicians in the Parliament. But we equally

1010
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 23: people have to respect the rules.

1011
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: Is there a role for the Privileges Committee And to

1012
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: the extent that they have incredible power theoretically they never

1013
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: use it, should they?

1014
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 23: Yes, it's ultimately again a decision for the Speaker, and really,

1015
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 23: as Prime Minister running the executive I can't really comment

1016
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 23: too much about that because it's really his decision. But

1017
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 23: that's why you know, we as a National party, for example,

1018
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 23: wrote to him to say, look, you know, we need

1019
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 23: to revisit what's going on because we can't have disruptions

1020
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 23: like that when we're trying to Yeah, I appreciate people

1021
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 23: feel strongly about it, but there's still rules. Otherwise you

1022
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 23: just never get anything done. If that's just how it degenerates.

1023
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: So what's your view? What's your view of what this

1024
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: country has looked like to the world in the last

1025
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: week with all the lobbies sharing it on social media

1026
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: going yes, Queen look at New Zealand, go do we

1027
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 2: look good or do we look bad? Look I don't.

1028
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 23: I mean, I've been just come back from Apec and

1029
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 23: to be honest, it wasn't raised with me by any

1030
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 23: of the leaders and I'm not sure they actually saw it,

1031
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 23: to be honest, I know, we very sense.

1032
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: To believe they didn't, because according to Wherever, hundreds of

1033
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: millions of people all over the world apparently have seen it.

1034
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1035
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 23: Well, look, I mean, there's no doubt about it. Look,

1036
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 23: it's an emosive issue of which there are strong views

1037
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 23: on all sides around treaty. There always has been in

1038
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 23: New Zealand and there always will be. But the key

1039
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 23: thing is that in the ark about history, we keep

1040
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 23: wrestling with it. I just think you know, what I've

1041
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 23: said to you and others is that you know the

1042
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 23: bottom line for us as a national party is I

1043
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 23: just don't think the Treaty Principal's Bill's quite a simplistic

1044
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 23: way to sort of at a stroke of a pen.

1045
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 23: You've said that about a home and we shall some times. Yeah,

1046
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 23: but we should pick up the issues like we have

1047
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 23: around unwinding co governments and public services, around three wards

1048
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 23: of the Maori Health Authority or MECCA or the Marii Awards.

1049
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 23: That's what we've been doing. You take an issue by issue,

1050
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 23: case by case and your way through it.

1051
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: And I just don't think this, Well there was money. Yeah,

1052
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: that was my next question. How much of the protest

1053
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: do you reckon was about the Principal's Bill versus the

1054
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 2: other stuff that you have engineered that Mauri feel agreed about.

1055
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure there was a piece of it.

1056
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 23: I mean, it did seem to be pretty focused on

1057
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 23: the treaty Principal's bill, and you know that was the

1058
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 23: dominant conversation from what I could pick up what people

1059
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 23: were articulating. The reality is, you know, we have been elected,

1060
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 23: We've come to power because we want to be able

1061
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 23: to improve outcomes from Maria and non Maori. And you know,

1062
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 23: there has been as I said this morning, till another

1063
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 23: media outlet like we haven't had a conversation about that

1064
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 23: only twelve percent of our Mary students are where they

1065
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 23: need to be going to high school on mathematics.

1066
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: We have done a hell of a lot of the

1067
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: you know, the statue want they they're not interested in that.

1068
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: They're the retention seekers that unless you give them the

1069
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: keys to the country, they're not interested because that's what

1070
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: they're after, isn't it.

1071
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 5: Well.

1072
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 23: I mean, I do think they'd become incredibly separate us

1073
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 23: in recent years, and that's been a change in the

1074
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 23: cheft from the mighty Party of old that John Key

1075
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 23: could work with and versus one that we have today.

1076
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 23: But you know, that's the thing is, you know, Frankly,

1077
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 23: you know, Mike, when you take a step back, Marty

1078
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 23: want higher incomes, they want better housing, they want to

1079
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 23: be less victims of crime, they want better school attendance

1080
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 23: and academic outcomes.

1081
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 2: They want hire giving them the keys to the country

1082
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: so they can run their own country and their own

1083
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Speaker 2: parliament and their own world. That's what they want.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, well that doesn't work because what we need to

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Speaker 23: tell so.

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Speaker 2: In the ensuing period it's up to you to either

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Speaker 2: do something as Prime Minister or give up, because never

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Speaker 2: the twain shall. I mean, what you saw yesterday was

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Speaker 2: not a discussion. It's not a debate. There's no nuance,

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Speaker 2: there's no subtlety. They don't care, they're not interested. They

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Speaker 2: want the keys to the country. And then given they're

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Speaker 2: not going to get it, where do we go.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, well we're not going to get it because it's

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Speaker 23: not going to pass, it's not going to come law.

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Speaker 23: But the bigger issue is that's what we should be

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Speaker 23: focused on, is you know, that's why I said the economy,

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00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 23: the public services, the law and order, that's the agenda

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Speaker 23: for New Zealand, whether you're Maori or non Mary, because

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Speaker 23: it turns out we all want the same things. And

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Speaker 23: you know that's my conversation with EE leaders is you know,

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Speaker 23: why aren't we having more of those conversations, and in

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Speaker 23: fact we are you know, behind the scenes, there's been

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Speaker 23: some incredible work done on social housing where EWE government

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Speaker 23: and business have come together to sort out how we

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Speaker 23: get you know, pre built homes onto places and to

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Speaker 23: places that we need to get them to. And it's

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Speaker 23: exactly the kind of conversations we need to be having.

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Speaker 23: You know, what are we going to do about lifting

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Speaker 23: Maori educational achievement health outcomes? We need higher immunization rates

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Speaker 23: for Marii under two year olds, as we do across

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Speaker 23: the whole cont tvery frankly, but we also need that

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Speaker 23: amongst the Maori community as well, so that they want

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Speaker 23: the same things as all Kiwis. And honestly, the last

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Speaker 23: six years their outcomes went backwards under a so called

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Speaker 23: labor government with a much vaunted multi caucus, they didn't deliver.

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Speaker 2: They did not deliver. Part of the problem. You need

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00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: to get onto the Waitangi Tribunal. You keep saying you're

1118
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Speaker 2: going to look at it, but you haven't. Last week

1119
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: they allegedly forced the Health Ministry to release unredacted reports.

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Speaker 2: What gives them the right to do that and doesn't

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Speaker 2: that add to the ongoing problem and belief that the

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Speaker 2: Waitangi Tribunal, if not the courts, are just an outlet

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Speaker 2: for aggrieved mari.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, so, I mean we try and work with them

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Speaker 23: in good faith as best we possibly can. But look,

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Speaker 23: we campaigned on a set of policies and we're elected

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Speaker 23: to implement them, and you know that they can. You know,

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Speaker 23: there's a legitimate you know, as I said to you

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Speaker 23: before this, it's a legitimate question whether you're on all

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Speaker 23: sides of that debate that having worked our way through

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Speaker 23: the vast majority of treaty settlements, which is what the

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Speaker 23: Waitangi Tribunal was really set up to deal with in

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Speaker 23: a post settlement world, you've actually got a legitimate question

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Speaker 23: to ask about what should.

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Speaker 2: Their role You're going to do something about.

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Speaker 23: Well, we'll get there. That we've got forty three sections.

1137
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 23: I'm trying to well, not I'm trying to get well,

1138
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 23: no disrespect. I've had twelve months in this job. I've

1139
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Speaker 23: had four quarterly plans. I work and pick the actions

1140
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Speaker 23: we're going to go forward with each course one.

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00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: We'll get this causing part of the problem. Every second

1142
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 2: day I'm listening to the White Hanging tribunal, whine on

1143
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: about another report and another issue in another problem, in

1144
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 2: another case that goes nowhere but causes the angst that

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00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: leads to what we've seen in the past week.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, so trust me, we'll get there. We'll deal with it.

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Speaker 23: But right now, the quarter I'm focused on is the

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Speaker 23: one to December thirty one, where I've got forty three

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Speaker 23: actions to get nailed, including gang patches and getting all

1150
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 23: that stuff operationalized and some other things. When we do it,

1151
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Speaker 23: we'll open it up, we'll deal with it properly, and

1152
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 23: we'll work our way through it. But for right now, yeah,

1153
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 23: I've got to focus on some other things to get

1154
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 23: the economy moving, to get laur and order better, to

1155
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Speaker 23: get better public services education in particular, So you know

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Speaker 23: we'll get that. But there is a genuinely legitimate question.

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Speaker 23: I don't care which side of the debate you're on.

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00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 23: You know that is I think of you. That's held

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Speaker 23: by many people on your radar.

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Speaker 2: The skills visa numbers that came out the other day

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Speaker 2: barely over one percent of applications of people coming to

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Speaker 2: this country a skills visa. The Order to General says

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Speaker 2: we've got to improve that process. We've got to improve

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00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: it and make it slicker, but we're also get to get

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Speaker 2: more than two percent. Who the hell are the people

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Speaker 2: coming into the country. Yeah, look like ninety eight percent

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Speaker 2: of people coming into the country. You aren't you worried

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Speaker 2: about that? Given the most of the people are leaving

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Speaker 2: the country. You are young, bright people and they're off

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Speaker 2: to Australia if not Europe.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, well, I mean first and foremost, that's what That's

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Speaker 23: exactly the point is that, you know, I kind of

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Speaker 23: want my kids and my grandkids ultimately to stay here

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Speaker 23: in his own because I think it's a place of opportunity.

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Speaker 23: That Yeah, and that's why I'm saying we've got to

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Speaker 23: work hard on you rebuilding economists. If you work hard

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Speaker 23: to get ahead, you've got to feel safe in your

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Speaker 23: family and your home. You've got to be able to

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Speaker 23: know your kids are going to get well educated, world

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Speaker 23: class education. You've got to know that your parents can

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Speaker 23: access healthcare. So you know, that's the work of the

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Speaker 23: government and that's our job, and that's what we're working

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Speaker 23: so hard around. And that's what as you know, in

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Speaker 23: the past, when we've seen Keewis leave and vote with

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Speaker 23: their fees because they don't think there is opportunity. We

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Speaker 23: have to build that back for New Zealand and we

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Speaker 23: are going to do that, and damn it, we are

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Speaker 23: working really hard to make sure we do exactly that.

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Speaker 23: On the Order to General report and the Immigration to Gods,

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Speaker 23: I haven't read the detail of all of that, but

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Speaker 23: I would just say, yeah, that is.

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Speaker 3: Not looking good.

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Speaker 23: We need to ensure we retain and attract these skilled people.

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Speaker 23: We know that skilled migrant careries keep part of that,

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Speaker 23: but clearly with that report that's saying that's not working.

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Speaker 23: And I know Erica Stanford, as our Immigration minister, is

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Speaker 23: reviewing those settings. He's made changes already to the credit

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Speaker 23: employer work visa settings earlier in the year, so there's

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Speaker 23: a lot more for us to do.

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Speaker 2: Clearly, I'm almost out of time. But speaking of Erica,

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Speaker 2: there's a court case in Australia that rule the faith

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Speaker 2: based organizations are not responsible for child sexual abuse and

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Speaker 2: certain circumstances in terms of payment in later years. Given

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00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: we're dealing with the same thing, are you going to

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Speaker 2: make face bathed based organizations pay and if so.

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Speaker 23: How Yeah we are because they need to be completely

1207
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Speaker 23: you know, stand up and own what they did.

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Speaker 2: And if they go to court and they get the

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Speaker 2: same decision in New Zealand as they got in Australia,

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Speaker 2: what are you going to do then?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, well I think it'd be pretty dumb if they

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Speaker 23: go to court, to be honest, because they have a

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Speaker 23: responsibility of We've written a letter to them all and

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Speaker 23: frankly we're expecting them to show up and actually work

1215
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Speaker 23: through the redress process and make significant contributions and own

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Speaker 23: their own their history as well. So yeah, I'm pretty

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Speaker 23: tough on that in the sense of my expectations are

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Speaker 23: pretty non negotiable.

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Speaker 2: There appreciate time Christopher lux and Prime Minister thrive away

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Speaker 2: from it.

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Speaker 1: The Vike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 3: A'd be.

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Speaker 2: Mike Luxem's done a lot of good work on the economy, education,

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00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: crime in other areas, but he's completely misread the race

1226
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Speaker 2: and separatism issue facing our country. I tend to agree.

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Speaker 2: Next couple of poles. Interesting back to radio and New

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Speaker 2: Zealand quote unquote every business Radio New Zealand spoke to

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Speaker 2: supported the cause, the cause being the Hecory yesterday with

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Speaker 2: staff saying they weren't bothered about the temporary loss of customers. Initially,

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Speaker 2: at first blush, you think, what crap. Surely, how many

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Speaker 2: businesses did they talk to? What have we heard from

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Speaker 2: businesses in Wellington for the last year or so? Pipes

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00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: are bursting, endless road works, can't get customers. Working from home,

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Speaker 2: stopped the reforming of the Golden Mile. I'm going out

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Speaker 2: of business. I'm closing my door. I can't find workers.

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Speaker 2: We're not making money, but all of a sudden, when

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Speaker 2: a protest comes to Wellington, we don't mind losing money

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Speaker 2: all day long because it's a great cause. Victoria Linton

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Speaker 2: Bailey Nelson Willis Street, which as far as I can

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Speaker 2: work out, is an optometrist. I think this is an

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00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: incredibly important moment in our history. Carown Holland, who runs

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Speaker 2: a gift shop Wat's on Willis. It is just part

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Speaker 2: of what we do as a country. Capricorn Spirit owner

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Speaker 2: Susan Cameron. She'd opened her Storre's toilet for the public use.

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Speaker 2: I'm not worried about sales. We've got to tell Parliament

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Speaker 2: as a whole country that we do not stand for this.

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00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,919
Speaker 2: Dixon Street coffee shop, swimsuit rushed off their feet, which

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Speaker 2: was the only person who was doing well. They were

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Speaker 2: selling coffee. So what's the artworking of this? Eh, it's

1251
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Speaker 2: more in a moment seven away from eight.

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Speaker 5: The cost breakfast.

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Speaker 2: So we are to take Radio New Zealand at their word.

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Speaker 2: Every business they spoke to supported the course, which makes

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Speaker 2: Wellington unusual. I would argue, what's on willis? I looked up?

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Speaker 2: They sell bird cushions and nude body candles. So I'm

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Speaker 2: suggesting maybe Radio New Zealand looked up maybe that was

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Speaker 2: the sort of business they went to, knowing probably they

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Speaker 2: support a hecoy Capricorn spirit sells crystals, oh not alcohol, No,

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Speaker 2: and Bailey Nelson is optometris. So so are we saying

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Speaker 2: they went to unusual nude candle shops and the nude

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Speaker 2: candle shop owner may well support the sort of hecoy.

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Speaker 12: Are they candles to be used on nude bodies?

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Speaker 2: No, they're they're the s shape of a new body.

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Speaker 12: And every ennis leading business names.

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Speaker 2: Very very But so what do we make out either?

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Speaker 2: So if we take Radio in New Zealand at the word,

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Speaker 2: and this is where the suspicion of the media in

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Speaker 2: general comes from. When they say every business we spoke to,

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Speaker 2: how many you speak to? One hundred or three? And

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Speaker 2: if it was all three, were there three weird businesses

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00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: and ones you deliberately targeted? Or indeed are you right?

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00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: And the reportage is fair and balanced? And indeed Wellington

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00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: was fully behind business included with no tills ringing. They

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00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: were fully behind yesterday's protest. So in there is the answer.

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Speaker 2: I can't fully give you, but little feature and what's

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Speaker 2: that program on the weekend they do on media? Well

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Speaker 2: beyond media, you watch that'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: Demanding the answers from the decision makers the mic asking

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Speaker 2: I reckon, we'll probably be able to pick this one,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't we?

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Speaker 12: No check out up And again it happened.

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Speaker 2: I personally never as despite the fact that I'm the

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Speaker 2: biggest country music fan in the history of the world,

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Speaker 2: I've never been a massive Dwight Yoakum fan. And you

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Speaker 2: could be justified asking what ever happened to Dwight Yoakum?

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Speaker 2: And I've got the answer. According to this he slipped

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Speaker 2: off the raider slipped off the raider. There is what

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Speaker 2: happened to twenty sixteen swimming Pools movie Stars Beverly Hillbillies.

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Speaker 2: From Swimming Pools Movie Stars Beverly Hillbillies. Anyway, Yoakum stopped,

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Speaker 2: it's close to Christmas. Fifty four and a half minutes

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Speaker 2: work of Dwight Yoakum music. It is eight minutes past

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Speaker 2: day Politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with us along with Ginny Anderson.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you both.

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Speaker 15: Good morning, Mike, morning, Jenny, Good morning, Mark, Good morning, Mike, Genny.

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Speaker 2: Have you got any Rhodes scholars on the Justice Select Committee?

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Speaker 1: There?

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the list of names. Who's who's your

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Speaker 2: brightest member apart from nations?

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Speaker 15: Doctor so he might ask squeakend. Yeah, he's been a lecturer, Duncan.

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Speaker 2: Web useless cabinet minister according to Audrey Young, but coming

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Speaker 2: back for a strong finish.

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Speaker 15: Well, I think you're going to need more skills than

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Speaker 15: Rhodes scholarship to handle some of the issues that will

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Speaker 15: be thrown at that committee. It'll be a tough time.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, who's the weak link there?

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Speaker 15: I think, Oh goodness, where would I start. I think

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Speaker 15: it's going to be really hard to cheer it if

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Speaker 15: things get right.

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Speaker 2: So Mega's in for a tough time. James Meaghan, I think.

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Speaker 15: He will be in for a tough time.

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Speaker 2: Great opening never been heard from.

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Speaker 15: Since I've cheered that committee myself, and and I know

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Speaker 15: from experience through tough bills that it can be hard,

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Speaker 15: and this will be that, I'd say, the hardest one.

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Speaker 2: I reckon, what what's this Jamie Arbuckle like Deputy chair.

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Speaker 15: Oh, he's pretty quiet. He makes a good morning tea.

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Speaker 15: I'll say that when it's his turn.

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Speaker 2: Good on the morning teak Taku tar Ferris Tucker's is good.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, he's I reckon, he's going to go only character. Well,

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Speaker 15: it will be interesting to see how it plays out

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Speaker 15: because you will have people you have Hobson's pledge who

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Speaker 15: pro the bill, You'll have groups that are empty. So

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Speaker 15: it will depend on how they come, how they present themselves.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing where you said you can't swear, Do

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Speaker 2: you think that's going to come to pass or do

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Speaker 2: you think you're dreaming?

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Speaker 24: No?

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Speaker 15: I think that will come to pass. That's unparliamentary language,

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Speaker 15: So I do.

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Speaker 2: So I was dancing on the floor. But that didn't

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Speaker 2: stop them, did it.

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: Well, I think also at the age wherein now we

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Speaker 15: have zoom a lot more and so one around the

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Speaker 15: country instead of coming in. So if someone is it's

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Speaker 15: a lot easier to handle a submission that gets out

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Speaker 15: of hand if it's on his own call.

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Speaker 2: Mark, do you feel you strike me? I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know you reasonably well, I guess, but do you do

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Speaker 2: you strike me as a sort of a person who

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Speaker 2: doesn't mind a bit of decorum and manners. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what we're seeing at the moment is not good for

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Speaker 2: this country.

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 15: No?

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Speaker 5: And that's what we raise our kids.

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Speaker 25: I mean, you know, I know it sounds very simplicit,

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Speaker 25: but my mum raised me to treat others as how

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Speaker 25: you'd have them treat you, and I think that we

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Speaker 25: should apply that to the House. It doesn't mean that

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Speaker 25: you can't be robust debate, but there should be decorum

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Speaker 25: and people should treat each other with respect. I don't

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Speaker 25: like when it becomes personally. I don't think there's any

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Speaker 25: need for that. I think in terms of the Select Committee,

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Speaker 25: Jones Megan will do an outstanding job of cheering that

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Speaker 25: that's a good committee. Having been a Select Committee cheer myself.

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Speaker 25: He will enforce and make sure that there is a

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Speaker 25: standard behavior that is expected and if that is not meant,

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Speaker 25: then he will just see quite something else to submit

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Speaker 25: us to leave the committee.

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Speaker 2: And that's the end of that. You guys, Ginny, I

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Speaker 2: know you don't speak on behalf of the whole party,

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Speaker 2: But to Mip Clark in terms of suspension and voting

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Speaker 2: for you guys sided with her? Why and do you

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Speaker 2: run a very real risk of being tainted and associated

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Speaker 2: permanently with a bunch of radicals.

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Speaker 15: We stand against what David Seymour's bill proposes to do

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Speaker 15: and stand against the racial division that it causes in

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Speaker 15: New Zealand, and we would like the Prime Minister to

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Speaker 15: show some leadership and shut that down. Imagine this. Imagine

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Speaker 15: if a Luxeen got up one day and said, actually,

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Speaker 15: this is causing New Zealand hurt, this is dividing us. David,

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Speaker 15: we don't want this bill to proceed through six months

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Speaker 15: at Select committee. Do you really think that David Seymour

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Speaker 15: is going to say I'm going to be a deputy

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Speaker 15: prime minister in about you know, four or five months,

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Speaker 15: but I'll give all that up and split the government.

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Speaker 15: I mean, he's not going to walk away. So I

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Speaker 15: think this demand that lucks and shows some leadership in

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Speaker 15: a situation that's causing our country a lot of pars.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so no, that's your stance and I take that accepted.

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Speaker 2: But it might be Clark's case. You didn't vote to censure.

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Speaker 3: Why not.

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Speaker 15: We stand with the view that the way this bill

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Speaker 15: has proceeded, we do not like it. So we believe

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Speaker 15: position rule.

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Speaker 25: You're supported disorder in the House.

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Speaker 15: What we are supporting is that the way the House

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Speaker 15: is run is unacceptable and the ongoing issues that have

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Speaker 15: been undermining the Maori, not just the Maori Party, but

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Speaker 15: the Marori people. I listened to Christopher Luxen on the

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Speaker 15: radio this morning and he said, well that we you know,

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Speaker 15: he doesn't like the bill even though it's proceeding to

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Speaker 15: six months at Select Committee. But he'll continue with doing

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Speaker 15: things such as they've disestablished the Maori Health Authority, they've

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Speaker 15: done a whole range of other things like removing Maori

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Speaker 15: language from government departments. He'll continue with doing. He thinks

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Speaker 15: that's far more effective way of addressing the issue of Well.

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Speaker 2: That still doesn't answer the question why you didn't sense

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Speaker 2: since you might be Clark.

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Speaker 15: Because we believe that what they're doing is wrong and

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Speaker 15: we want to tend again.

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter what the Mallori Party do in

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Speaker 2: the Parliament. Break all the rules, no problem, that's good

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 15: I did not say that. I said, in that particular

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Speaker 15: instance that you raised when we had a bill going

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Speaker 15: through this house, that Luxon has the power to stop,

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Speaker 15: but it's not going to take that.

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Speaker 25: We believe except what you are saying, though you're saying

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Speaker 25: that chaotic or disrespectful behavior in the House of Representatives

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Speaker 25: is acceptable.

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Speaker 15: I did not say that. I think you're putting words

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Speaker 15: to my mouth.

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Speaker 24: Mark.

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Speaker 15: Would you like me to answer.

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Speaker 2: You answered it from the we don't like the policy.

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Speaker 2: I get that, everyone gets that, but you're not the one. Well,

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Speaker 2: some of you guys actually were breaking the rules in

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Speaker 2: the house. Why why is that acceptable?

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Speaker 15: Because we're standing against a position we feel incredibly strongly

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Speaker 15: about and that's the Treaty of White Toy Principles Bill.

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Speaker 2: So is that is that your marker? If you feel

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Speaker 2: incredibly strongly about something, you can break.

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Speaker 3: Any rule the rules.

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Speaker 15: Yep, this would We will not be breaking the rules

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Speaker 15: and we have not done that over a number of them,

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Speaker 15: was there but this issue, this issue bought fifty thousand

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Speaker 15: people peacefully out the front of Parliament. He said, that's

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Speaker 15: how strongly people feel about it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, hold on over yeah as New Zealanders. Okay,

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Speaker 2: brief break more on the moment. Jinny Anderson, Mark Mentell

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Speaker 2: fourteen Past.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It be seventeen past eight make Mitchell, Jinny Anderson, Marke.

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Speaker 2: The problem with Shane Jones and Jerry Browne and all

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Speaker 2: of the standing orders thing is is I mean, can

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Speaker 2: they actually for a party Maray that don't mind having

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Speaker 2: their pay suspended or they love attention? So what can

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Speaker 2: standing orders do if they wanted to do something that

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Speaker 2: would actually be effective.

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Speaker 25: Look, I don't know that is a very good question,

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Speaker 25: because I agree with you. I don't think that at

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Speaker 25: the moment they care about any sanctions that will be

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Speaker 25: applied in our parliament. They just think that they can

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Speaker 25: do what they like, behave like the way that they

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Speaker 25: want to intimidate whomever they want. And it just astounds

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Speaker 25: me and amazes me that you've got a senior member

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Speaker 25: of the Labor Party on the show with us saying

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Speaker 25: that we support that and that if you feel passionate

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Speaker 25: about something, you can break the rules. And if we

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Speaker 25: all applied that rule in this country, we'd live in chaos.

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Speaker 15: Yes, I see you're coming from Mark like, I just

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Speaker 15: like to acknowledge that I do see your point. But

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Speaker 15: the point that I don't think that your understanding is

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Speaker 15: this means a lot to a lot of New Zealanders.

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Speaker 2: A lot of stuff brings a lot of stuff to

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders. We don't all take the law into our

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Speaker 2: own hands and go nuts.

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Speaker 15: Brought this brought over fifty thousand people out the front

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Speaker 15: of Parliament to peacefully march to say that we want

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Speaker 15: a treaty of WAITANGI. We've signed it up as two people.

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Speaker 15: It does mean that it's a partnership. And I want

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Speaker 15: to bring up my children in a country that has unity,

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Speaker 15: not division.

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Speaker 2: And we want to bring up in our children in

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Speaker 2: a country where law isn't taken into it. There is

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Speaker 2: respect and dignity, and some morals, and some professionalism and

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Speaker 2: some adult behavior.

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Speaker 5: Especially mean mere lawmakers.

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Speaker 25: I mean, it's just incredible that you completely agree.

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Speaker 15: I completely agree, you don't agree, But why does not

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Speaker 15: Christopher Luxon have the same standard in terms of the

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Speaker 15: way he's treating the parliamentary process, which is an absolute shocker.

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Speaker 15: He is absolutely disrespecting our parliamentary process by putting a

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Speaker 15: built to select committee that he has no intention of

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Speaker 15: voting for at the second reading. He's wasting our time,

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Speaker 15: he's wasting taxpayers money, and he's making an absolute joke

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Speaker 15: of the system. That sort of behavior, that sort of

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Speaker 15: behavior elicits huckers in the House and ilicits fifty five

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Speaker 15: thousand people coming to the front steps of Parlement.

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Speaker 25: That's what I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I completely refute that

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Speaker 25: that what your argument quite something is this, if you

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Speaker 25: feel strongly and passionately about something you get to break

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Speaker 25: the laws. And there's lots of people in this country

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Speaker 25: that feel very passionate and strongly about issues, Jinny, but you,

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Speaker 25: as a lawmaker, should be saying the laws are important,

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Speaker 25: the rules are important, we should all adhere to those.

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Speaker 25: But that's not what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: You're passionate about.

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Speaker 15: What you're saying. Mark, I don't know. I totally you

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Speaker 15: what you're saying. I totally you're saying. And what I

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Speaker 15: say to that is that Christopher Luxen is completely right.

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Speaker 2: We've heard what you said. But you know, Jenny, you

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Speaker 2: at no point except that Heneray, Willie Jackson, the Maori Party,

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Speaker 2: that's all acceptable as far as you're concerned, given the

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Speaker 2: circumstances in the specific case.

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Speaker 15: This issue goes to the core of who we are

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Speaker 15: as New Zealand is and I'm proud to stand up and.

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Speaker 2: Find and that's fine by you.

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Speaker 15: If we are going to talk about rewriting the Treaty of.

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Speaker 2: White we're not rewriting the treaty. See, this is part

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Speaker 2: of the problem. We are not writing the treaty you've got.

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Speaker 2: We are not rewriting the treaty. We are defining principles

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Speaker 2: that haven't been defined by the Parliament of New Zealand.

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Speaker 15: You have forty Kings counsel lawyers who are that's.

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Speaker 2: Not that's not rewriting the treaty.

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Speaker 15: By writing the principles you are.

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01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 2: You're not rewriting the principles either. You're defining the principles

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Speaker 2: by the Parliament of the country.

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Speaker 15: Yeah. Well, I think you need to disagree on that

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Speaker 15: because it is rewriting.

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Speaker 5: Micha is right about that.

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Speaker 25: But it comes back to the point. You know, I

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Speaker 25: think you need to go back to have a serious

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01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 25: talk with Chris and say we've got this terribly wrong.

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Speaker 25: We shouldn't be advocating, we shouldn't be supporting that. If

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01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 25: you feel passionate about passionate about an issue, you can

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01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 25: break the laws, you can intimidate people, you can threaten people.

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01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 25: These that that is completely counterintuitive to the messaging that.

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01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 15: We should what you're what you're supporting bill has driven

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01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 15: racial division in New Zealand and that lends at national

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Speaker 15: parties feet. But what you've done by enabling this.

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Speaker 25: To feel that trying to stake that up and.

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Speaker 15: We want to shut it down. We don't want it

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Speaker 15: to be committee we don't want it to go to

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Speaker 15: select commit you should should the party that you should.

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Speaker 25: You should be a responsible, serious political party and take

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01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 25: a very firm stand and support this the Speaker of

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Speaker 25: the House and making sure that the rules are obeyed,

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01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 25: because if they aren't obeyed there then what does it signal?

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Speaker 25: Does that send to the rest of the country.

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Speaker 2: Good discussion. Nice to see you, guys, Mirke, Mitchell, Ginny

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Speaker 2: Anderson eight twenty.

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Speaker 5: Pasking.

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Speaker 2: That's not how you stand up against something that I

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Speaker 2: can do what I like, Mike, there's a lot of

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01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 2: that coming in as you can imagine. Mike Anderson says

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Speaker 2: national separatist who created separate Health, Separate Mary, separate Murray Watts. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it was them. I think Ginny needs to think that

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Speaker 2: maybe there is a silent majority out there. Interesting point,

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Speaker 2: I mean, and goes, there's hundreds of them, as you

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Speaker 2: can imagine. So she's on the committee and this is

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Speaker 2: not to personally attack her, but and forget our views

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Speaker 2: on whether you support the Treaty Principles bill or not.

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Speaker 2: Just let's deal with fact for a moment. The fact

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Speaker 2: is we are not rewriting the treaty and that's a

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01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 2: very clear statement of fact, it's irrefutably true. And yet

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Speaker 2: she just said it's the rewriting of the treaty and

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01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 2: she is on the Justice Select Committee. So if she

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Speaker 2: genuinely believes that, which I hope she doesn't because she's wrong,

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Speaker 2: that that's the sort of what Then I asked the

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01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: simple question, what's the point of a select committee? What's

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01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 2: the point of going along and arguing, look ed, we

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Speaker 2: need to define principles as set by a Parliament because

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Speaker 2: we've never done it. And she's going and she's sitting

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Speaker 2: there thinking you're rewriting the treaty when you're not. If

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Speaker 2: you start from a position of flaw or fault, how

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Speaker 2: do you possibly go forward? And how many other people

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Speaker 2: on that committee have made the same mistake or not

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01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 2: read the principle's bill, or don't understand what they're overseeing,

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Speaker 2: and therefore the whole thing's are complete and utter waste

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Speaker 2: of time. Let's go to Australia after the news. So

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01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 2: much going on in Australia, we're not going to have

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Speaker 2: time to cover it at all. But the best in

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Speaker 2: Who the biggest spenders at the moment in the economy.

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Speaker 2: They're the under forties. No, they're not the slash they're spending.

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Speaker 2: It is the forty pluses, So forty to forty nine

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Speaker 2: year olds spend more than anybody else. Gen x's followed

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Speaker 2: by baby boomers. Millennials are spending the least those under

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Speaker 2: forty of SLASH, they're spending over sixty. They're spending a

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Speaker 2: bit more the over sixties, but not as much as

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Speaker 2: the forty to forty nine year olds. Three thousand, four

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty three dollars on average a month is

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Speaker 2: what you're forty to forty nine year old Australia's spending

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Speaker 2: three four hundred and forty three. If you compare it

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Speaker 2: to a boomer born between nineteen fifty five and sixty

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Speaker 2: four twenty nine hundred dollars a month. That's fifteen hundred

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Speaker 2: dollars a month difference. It's a lot, isn't it. Twenty

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Speaker 2: three minutes away.

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Speaker 1: From nine International correspondence with ends in eye Insurance Peace

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Speaker 1: of mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of boomers, the advice how are you well mind?

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Speaker 22: Millennials spend less than meek because I paid for everything?

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Speaker 2: Yes exactly. Isn't that one of the great lessons of life?

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Speaker 2: Ellen Jones? Where do you think this goes? Because they

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Speaker 2: added a couple yesterday, a couple of charges yesterday, and

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Speaker 2: they're looking for more people to come forward, and one

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Speaker 2: imagines there will be people coming forward.

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Speaker 22: Yes, well, what I should say? I worked with Jones

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Speaker 22: for a long time, filled in and did his radio

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Speaker 22: program for a long time, and so I know him

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Speaker 22: pretty well. There's always been discussion, rumors, but the police

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Speaker 22: have been working very hard on this. They had a

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Speaker 22: task force on it after the Cidney Monty held a

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Speaker 22: year ago reported allegations of inappropriate behaviors. As you know

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Speaker 22: and have been reporting. I'm sure he's now been charged.

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Speaker 22: Two more charges announced yesterday. The police said that was quote.

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Speaker 22: Following through the legal advice, Jones has been charged with

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Speaker 22: an extra two counts of assault with an active indecency

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Speaker 22: relating to a night alleged victim. The complainants now include

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Speaker 22: a prominent olympian, a seventeen year old and several men

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01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 22: who were under his employee. Now we should point out

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01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 22: his lawyer said he denies any misconduct, his innocence in court.

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01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 22: Where it goes well, it goes back to court on

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Speaker 22: the eight eighth of December. My other colleague from t

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Speaker 22: GB and I would describe him as a friend of mine.

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Speaker 22: Ray Hadley on Are yesterday entered he may provide evidence

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Speaker 22: in the case against Alan Jones. But at the same

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Speaker 22: time two very prominent Australians, one being the former promenister

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Speaker 22: John Howard and the other being James Packer, the son

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01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 22: of Kerry Packer, both said that they stick by their friend,

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Speaker 22: They would allow the court process to play out, but

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Speaker 22: that he still has their support. You've got to say

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Speaker 22: it's one of the most high profile cases of its

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01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 22: type that we've ever seen Asia, and probably lucky never

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Speaker 22: to see again.

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Speaker 2: If it turns out poorly for Ellen Jones. Probably one

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Speaker 2: of the greatest falls from grace Ever, wouldn't.

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Speaker 22: It be very easily?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 22: I mean we have had high profile Australians previously end

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Speaker 22: up in prison, most notably probably Alan Bond. But I

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Speaker 22: would describe it, I would compare it to the now

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Speaker 22: and Bond type example. Bond of course was a big

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Speaker 22: air owned half the country, breweries and all sorts of things.

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Speaker 22: He ended up in prison. It will have to wait

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Speaker 22: and see. But if Allen has found guilty of what

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Speaker 22: he's been charged with, he will do time in jail.

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Speaker 22: And he is eighty three.

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Speaker 2: Years old, exactly Chris Bowen, so was he a Copp

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Speaker 2: as well? How many people you have a cop?

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Speaker 22: Well, we had two senior misters at Copp, but Bowen

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Speaker 22: was the most senior. Is the environment minister. And I

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01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 22: think Australians has got every right to wake up this

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Speaker 22: morning and go okay, confusion's over here. Now we're going

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01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 22: to have an election in a few months. If you

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Speaker 22: vote for the Coalition, you're voting for a country that

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Speaker 22: realizes it has the energy to build nuclear power plants

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Speaker 22: to keep the lights on, or you're voting for the

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Speaker 22: government who believes all of your energy can come from renewables.

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Speaker 22: Bowen yesterday he has had to defend outlaw lawing nuclear energy.

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Speaker 22: So what happened was we're in this agreement with the

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Speaker 22: YUK and US nuclear submarines. They have them, we want them.

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Speaker 22: We're going to service them here, we're going to build

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Speaker 22: them here eventually. So we're going to have a nuclear industry.

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Speaker 22: So Ed Milliband, who was the Energy Minister for the UK,

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Speaker 22: he comes out and says, oh, well, his country was

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Speaker 22: reversing a legacy of no nuclear being delivered and moving

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Speaker 22: forward they were going to advance their nuclear energy reactive

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Speaker 22: program and he included Australia in that. And Bowen came

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Speaker 22: out and said, hey, Yang, in a minute, we're not

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Speaker 22: having any part of that. And so now you've got

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01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:34,440
Speaker 22: the situation where Bowen has been described as an embarrassment.

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01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 22: Peter Dutton has quickly jumped on all this said we

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01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 22: had become international embarrassment under the Albanizy government after we

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01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 22: refuse to sign this document. The Minerals Council Chief executive.

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01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 22: She said the refusal to renew membership of a key

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Speaker 22: international nuclear technology forum was a missed opportunity that undermines

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Speaker 22: the strength of our partnership. So I think I'm right.

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01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 4: I know.

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01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 22: I mean, now it's very clear, one hundred percent.

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01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 2: And I sort of like about Dutton is he was

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01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 2: written off as unelectable, and yet he seemingly picked an issue.

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Speaker 2: And I'm reading a lot on nuclear at the moment.

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01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 2: I mean, we're never going to be nuclear here because

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01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,560
Speaker 2: we're famously anti nuclear and we're sort of myopic about it,

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01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 2: and we can't get out of our own way, and

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01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 2: we've got the same problems you have, and we think

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01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 2: renewables are going to solve the problem and they aren't.

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01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 2: And we can't turn the lights on a winter, and

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01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 2: we want to host data centers and all that crap.

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01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 2: But at least you've advanced the cause to the point

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01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 2: where it's a genuine election issue and it may well

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Speaker 2: go in his favor.

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01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 22: Yes, And if he wins, that's exactly what will happen.

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Speaker 22: We will have a nuclear industry.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 22: And the labor premiers in some of the states that

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Speaker 22: the mineral rich are really constructed, I mean, really conflicted

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Speaker 22: here because they want to do it, but their national

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01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 22: party of which they're a member, are saying, no, we

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Speaker 22: don't want any part of it. I mean if you

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Speaker 22: had Peter mallanaskus on the Premier of South Australia and

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Speaker 22: a truth serum, so yeah you did. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: On a truth serum the Business Council. So here's the

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Speaker 2: thing I always like to hear about. Of course, there's

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Speaker 2: millions of us coming across to live in Australia. Australia

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Speaker 2: is not as flesh, Correct me if I'm wrong. It

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Speaker 2: is not as flash as some people might think it

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Speaker 2: as business wise and doing business in the economy.

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Speaker 22: No, it isn't. And this is a very important report.

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Speaker 22: It was released yesterday by the Business Council, probably four

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Speaker 22: months out from an election. How's the language here? This

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01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 22: report said Australia is standing on a burning platform and

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Speaker 22: living standards will plummet unless labor slashes, taxes and industrial

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Speaker 22: relations red tape. It says, we will Australia will face

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01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 22: a crisis of aura households. This is for everyone thinking

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01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 22: of coming to live here for a households lower living

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Speaker 22: standards unless we have urgent action at statement said the

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Speaker 22: lever Because productivity is at lowest level in sixty years now.

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Speaker 22: You don't get any more terrifying or report than that

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Speaker 22: I don't think exactly.

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Speaker 2: Go well, makee ketchup next week. Appreciate it, Steve Price.

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Speaker 2: And just before we leave a strug where it's not

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Speaker 2: Australia's nuclear debate. Two things to read if you're into it,

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01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 2: BBC ran why Canada could become the next nuclear energy superpower.

1748
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 2: They've seen what's bubbling. They are rich and high grade deposits.

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Speaker 2: Could become a nuclear superpower as soon as they pull

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01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 2: the trigger. They've got political issues around it like everybody else.

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Speaker 2: And the other one you want to read is SENBC.

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01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 2: Three Mile Island, which I've told you about before, is

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01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 2: about to restart. It could mark a turning point for

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Speaker 2: nuclear industry. They think now Constellation Energy is behind all

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01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 2: of this, and they've cut a deal. I can't remember

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Speaker 2: which one it is. I think it's Microsoft, but it's

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01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 2: certainly one of the big tech players. Big tech people

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01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 2: who run data centers are raither doing one of two things,

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Speaker 2: cutting deals with places like Three Mile Island, or they're

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Speaker 2: building their own many nuclear reactors. The world is moving

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01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 2: on with nuclear, whether we like it or not. Eight

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Speaker 2: forty five.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, powered

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Speaker 1: by News talks at.

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Speaker 2: B Actually I said we leave Australia, but I lied.

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Speaker 2: The POLO is going to mention the very angsty too.

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Speaker 2: With immigration poll out yesterday, forty nine percent of Australians

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Speaker 2: believe immigrations too high, which is up from thirty three

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Speaker 2: in just a year. Everyone's worried about housing and the

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Speaker 2: economy and they link that to the migrant surge. There

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Speaker 2: are huge numbers unlike New Zealand, which we're not popular

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Speaker 2: anymore either with students or skilled people, the odd construction

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01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 2: workers turning up from Indonesia and China. But apart from that,

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01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 2: we're going to be going backwards. By I think the

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01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 2: middle to the end of next year, our overall net

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01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 2: migration number is going to be going backwards, such as

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Speaker 2: our unpopularity. It's the opposite in Australia. Scanlon Foundation. Australia's

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01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 2: social cohesion remains at its lowest level, which was reached

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01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 2: for the first time last year, then since two thousand

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01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 2: and seven, so fell apart last year, it's got even

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01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 2: worse now. Economy in housing sixty three percent of people,

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01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 2: as say, by far and away the biggest issue, and

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01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 2: they link it to migration. More people coming into the country,

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01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 2: buying the houses, taking the job, so we don't like it.

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01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 2: No issue has ever dominated as much as the economy

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01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 2: does in the life past couple of years. The first year,

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Speaker 2: Australians have been equally split between the number who think

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Speaker 2: immigration is too high and those believe it's about right.

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Speaker 2: Those who think it's about right, forty nine percent think

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01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 2: it's too late. So she's egy. By the way, if

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Speaker 2: you're not into nuclear, let me just update you on AI.

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Speaker 2: I think my forecast is coming right. The narrative from

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01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 2: Silicon Valley very good piece on CNN this morning. Narrative

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01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 2: from Silicon Valley is that the AI train has left

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01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: the station, and any smart investor had better hop on

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01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: before these products become super intelligent start solving all the

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01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 2: world's problems. Of course, they write, the key to that

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01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 2: narrative is the promise that large language models llm's keep

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Speaker 2: improving at an exponential rate. But we've got trouble. Some

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Speaker 2: of the leading language models appear to be hitting a wall.

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Speaker 2: A tech news outlet the information unnamed open AI employees.

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01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 2: Next flagship AIA model, which is called a Ryan, isn't

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01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 2: reliably better than its predecessor Bloomberg, Ryan fell short and

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01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 2: is so far not considered to be as big a

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01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 2: step forward. Reuters researchers at major AI labs have been

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01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 2: running into delays and disappointing outcomes. As always, it will

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01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 2: change things, but not as much as you think. Nine

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Speaker 2: Away from nine.

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Speaker 5: Called the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover, the

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01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 5: news talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be Mike. The bigger fall from Grace Fan Jones

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Speaker 2: would be Ron Briley, wouldn't it? Is it bigger? I think?

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01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 2: I would argue Ron Briley was a titan of industry

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01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 2: and business and of course New Zealander now in Australia,

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01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: But I think Jones would be known by more people

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Speaker 2: in Australia than anybody else. Seven away from.

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Speaker 1: Nine trending now with them Swarehouse the real House of Fragrances.

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Speaker 2: So one of the great careers is coming to a close. No,

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01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 2: not mind Nadal, he is winding it up. He's out

1820
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 2: last time for Spain. This is the Davis Cup Finals

1821
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 2: they've begun today, lost as singles match, which is a

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01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: bit of inauspicious or auspicious? Is it inauspicious or aspecial?

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Speaker 12: Well, it's an auspicious because it wasn't in auspicious.

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01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 2: Correct. Nikes released an ad voiced by Phil Knight.

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Speaker 24: Know Lis, when the dust settles, you'll know you've given

1826
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 24: more than anyone, chased down every game, shot point and

1827
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 24: put it all on the line for one more win,

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01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 24: not once, but every second, a minute, power.

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Speaker 3: Day, Oh dear wife.

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Speaker 2: And at the end it flashes up greatness. It only

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01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 2: takes everything. It's n I say, Phil mightt's a nice guy.

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Speaker 2: We interview and when do we have him on the

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01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 2: program a couple of years ago? Very nice guy. Then

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Speaker 2: we come to Roger Fedder, Rolf Harris, you're saying it's

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01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 2: a very good point. Actually it's probably true. We come

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01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 2: to Federer's letter.

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Speaker 1: The mos.

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Speaker 2: Rafoel and Nadel. I got a few things to share

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Speaker 2: before I maybe get emotional, he writes, this morning, Let's

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01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 2: start with the obvious. You beat me a lot more

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01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 2: than I imagined I beat you. You challenged me in

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01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 2: ways no one else could. On clay. It felt like

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01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 2: I was stepping into your backyard, and you made me

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01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 2: work harder than I've ever thought I could just to

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01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 2: hold my ground. You made me reimagine my game even

1846
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 2: going so far as to change the size of my

1847
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 2: racquet head hoping for an edge. I didn't know that,

1848
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,799
Speaker 2: and I'm a big tennis follower, and so that's a revelation.

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01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm not very superstitious person, but you took it to

1850
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 2: the next level. Your whole process, all those rituals, assembling

1851
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 2: your water bottles like toy soldiers, information, fixing your hair,

1852
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:01,799
Speaker 2: adjusting your underwear, all of it the highest intensity. Secretly,

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01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 2: I kind of love the whole thing because it was

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01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 2: so unique.

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01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 3: It was just so you.

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01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 2: We were both at the start of our journey and

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01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 2: it's one we ended up taking together twenty years later. Rappa,

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01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 2: I have to say what an incredible run you've had,

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01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 2: including fourteen French opens.

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01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 3: Historic.

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Speaker 2: You made Spain proud, you made the whole tennis world proud. Raffer.

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Speaker 2: I know you're focused on the last stretch of your

1863
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 2: epic career. We will talk when it's done. For now,

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01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 2: I just want to congratulate your family and team, who

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01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 2: all played a massive role in your success. And I

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01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 2: want you to know that your old friend is always

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01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 2: cheering for you and will be cheering just as loud

1868
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: for everything you do next. Raffa that best always your fan, Roger,

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01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 2: isn't that nice as a whole bunch?

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Speaker 3: More to it? Wasn't it?

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01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 2: It's no, it's lovely? Was it Federer who had that

1872
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 2: special final thing a couple about a year or so

1873
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 2: ago that we watched and Agacy was there and they're

1874
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 2: all there and it was really very, very emotional. We

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01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 2: are seeing, unfortunately, the end of what I think is

1876
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 2: the golden era or a golden era of tennis, because

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01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,680
Speaker 2: I go back to when I started following Rosewool and

1878
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 2: Labor and those guys, and then you got your Federers

1879
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 2: and your d Dhals and your Jimmy Connors and the greats,

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01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 2: and you look at who They've talked about it in

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01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 2: women's teens for years, but I mean, you look at

1882
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 2: who's coming on. Who are the ones and ten years

1883
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 2: time that are going to be passing out the other

1884
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: side that we'll be looking at in.

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01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:26,640
Speaker 12: The same way that we I mean, there'll never be

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01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 12: another Several versus Hosking.

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01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 2: There'll never be another Savile versus Hosking. Christ Church, Botanic Gardens,

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01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 2: grass courts ay. Those were the days and that is

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01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: us back tomorrow morning, as always, Happy days.

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Speaker 5: For more from The Mic Hosking Breakfast. Listen live to

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01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 5: news talks.

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Speaker 1: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio