1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: On the huddle of This is Evening, Tim Wilson, Maximum Institute, 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,559 Speaker 1: Jack Tame, host of Saturday Mornings in Q and a 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: hire you two have either of you been following the 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: similar things that have been happening in Australia with Monash 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: over there. 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: It's news to me. 7 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: Okay, so same same thing. I mean, so I was 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: going to ask you what you guys, what do you guys? 9 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: Reckon would have happened here, but the same thing has 10 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: happened over in Australia a couple of incidents. It got 11 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: a bit worse in Australia, but over there they had 12 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: to pay out millions, millions of dollars to the families 13 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: that are affected. So you want to take a punk, Tom, 14 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: do you reckon? Money's been paid here? 15 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: Oh money, money would have been paid, but it's not 16 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: going to replace this immense tragedy for the family, I mean, 17 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: for the mom and dad. This is a unique human 18 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: life we're talking about. And you know, the whole business 19 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: that we're talking about as well, is based on the 20 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: longing of people to become parents, and that's because parenting 21 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: is the best job in the world. And as a 22 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: wise man once told me, what you feel for your 23 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: kids is actually more than love, it's it's beyond that. 24 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: In Jack time when he got a weird on us, No, 25 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: that's Jack. 26 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: Wasn't that Jack time? Wasn't that Jack? 27 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 1: Well? 28 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: Actually there was that was that? That was Jack? But 29 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: it's true, that's so true. 30 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: I do what's wrong with that? 31 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: That's hither. There are these things called feelings that we're 32 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: allowed to express in public. It's not bad to get 33 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: in to it. 34 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: I reckon Hither. I mean, Tim's totally right. There is 35 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: a human tragedy at the middle of this, and obviously 36 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: we don't know what happened to. 37 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 4: The family, and we just hope. 38 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: That the fertility jun he has improved since this incident. 39 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 3: So it just terrible, terrible. I mean, imagine being there 40 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: on the day and getting this news. I mean just 41 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: it's impossible to kind of imagine it. 42 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 4: Really. 43 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: I have to say good on fertility Associates for fronting it. 44 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 4: Like they they had to. 45 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: Family would have been hitting, but. 46 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: There's probably a crisis PRS and that's been doing some 47 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: serious business. But you know what that being said, good. 48 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 4: On them for I mean, he didn't have to. 49 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: Do an interview with you tonight. 50 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 4: He did that. 51 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: I think it's the right Paul, and I mean one 52 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: only hopes that this doesn't have to again. I still 53 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: think that turn in question, though, where did the NBA 54 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 3: go is kind of critical, Like we know where they 55 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: didn't go. We know apparently they weren't discarded. But I mean, 56 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: it's not like you're just going to lose them down 57 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: at the back of the couch or something. 58 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: Right, No, No, that is very complete. 59 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: Definitely a lot of parents who've been at facility associates 60 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: will probably and you know, fall and pregnant last year, 61 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: might go back and look at their babies today and 62 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: be like, definitely mine, Definitely mine. 63 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 64 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Now, listen, how do you feel, Tim about this crackdown 65 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: on the asylum seeker. 66 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think there's some there's this seems to 67 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 2: be there's some good there's some good things happening here 68 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: in the sense that, you know, we were talking about 69 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: those people, those asylum seekers who had committed serious crimes, 70 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: and I heard what I've heard your interview with the 71 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: lawyer at the top of the hour, and I hear 72 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: the thing about the International Conventions. But I also, yeah, 73 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: I'm really torn about the fact that that person is 74 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: going to be staying here. 75 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: Now you're come on to port them if they've killed 76 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: somebody in this country, get rid of them. 77 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: Well, well, I see the importance of international conventions, but 78 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 2: in this case, I think, yeah, we should. We should 79 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: send them home. And I think I think it's important 80 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: to have rigorous processes because when at least, like for example, 81 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: in the UK post Brexit, loosened up and and then 82 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: suddenly you've got all of this, these discontents and these 83 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: these terrible things happening, and then they swing the other way. 84 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: So I think this is actually inserting rigorousness. Now we're 85 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: actually we're not. We're not that soft. We're sort of 86 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: in between your you know, your Sweden's and your Australia's. 87 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: We're sort of in the middle at the moment. But 88 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: we need to be we need to be as a 89 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: bit more rigorous. 90 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: I think so too, Jack. I want your take on it. 91 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: After the break, right, we're back of the huddle, Jack, 92 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Tam Tim Wilson, Right, Jack, what do you think? 93 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: Okay, I think if you have committed a serious events 94 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: in New Zealand, then it's big as the least that 95 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: we shouldn't be able to deport someone. What I'm hoping 96 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: you can help me with, Heather, is the chronology of 97 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: these events. So with this murdering incident, is the suggestion 98 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: that the person has only applied for asylum after being 99 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: convicted of murder. No, I don't. 100 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 4: I don't think loophole. 101 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that we're sure of that. I think 102 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: what it is is the murder has happened before the 103 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: officials have made the decision about refugee status. So we 104 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: don't know whether it happens before the asylum or you know, 105 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: or if they come here as an asylum seeker and 106 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: then go and kill somebody mediately. 107 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: Right. 108 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: The biggest concern I would have is that if someone 109 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: is convicted of a crime and then says, oh, hang 110 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: on is a loophole here that might allow me to 111 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: stop from being reported. And that's if I claim it 112 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 3: after being convicted. I reckon that would be I mean, 113 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 3: I'm not saying yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that would 114 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: be the biggest concern for me in terms of in 115 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: terms of the process. The one caveat I would would 116 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: offer is that I think New Zealand sometimes hasn't actually 117 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 3: pulled its weight in helping people from some of the 118 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: most so the you know, most despotic parts of the world. 119 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: Where And I think that if you were sending a 120 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: relatively low level criminal back to a country where they 121 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: were just going to get up to even worse, and 122 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 3: basically you were burdening and already in a country that 123 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: was already doing it tough with someone who was only 124 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: going to make things worse, and I wouldes that maybe New. 125 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 4: Zealand has a bit of a moral obligation to help 126 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 4: out more. But murderer, Yeah, it just seems great. 127 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: Where haven't we helped out enough? 128 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: I think for a long time we didn't taken our 129 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: an appropriate share of refugees. 130 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 4: I think New Zealman could have done a. 131 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: Lot more just across the board. All right, does the lord, 132 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: why do I even want to know what you think 133 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: about m Z twenty? 134 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: Well, come on here that no one loves that sport 135 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: like I do. I've got a solution here, Okay, Miles 136 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: Harrel's at a bit of a loose end. We get 137 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 2: them in to run cricket, rugby and netball. It's the triumvirate. 138 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: But he's going to sort the whole lot of them out. 139 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: It's going to be a fantastic gig. Look, I can 140 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: hear the argument for the T twenty. I don't know 141 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: if it's going to wash its own face business wise, 142 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: because cricket's a slow game and the broadcasting side of 143 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: the sort of the same level rugby is struggling. So yes, 144 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 2: I want guys like Darryl Mitchell in the country in Revendra, 145 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: of course, but does it actually add up? And I 146 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: wonder if this is why they're taking their time to 147 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: figure it out. 148 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what, Tim, you did not embarrass yourself 149 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: and I loved Miles, but I loved you Miles Harrald idea. 150 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: Actually that's not stupid from you. 151 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: Thank you, Jack. 152 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 3: Look, I think it's pretty straightforward. I think the market's spoken. 153 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: I mean it's the idea of not having the T 154 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: twenty is to keep the best players in New Zealand 155 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 3: and New Zealand so we can see them. Well, you're 156 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 3: not going to achieve that if you don't have this competition, 157 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 3: because the likes of Doren Mitchell and ricch In Revender 158 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: are going to go and play with the seas. Yeah, 159 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: I think the market's spoken, and I'm sorry, I'm an absolute. 160 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: Cricket tragic I love cricket. 161 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 3: It's my favorite sport, my miles. I think it's beautiful, 162 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: I think it's poetry. But I think that the freaking 163 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: world is changing at incredible speed and that we risk 164 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: being left behind. I think that the tragic's like me 165 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: can love out his cricket earlier in the season. 166 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 4: But I'm sorry. 167 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: It's this gun for higher T twenty stuff that's taking 168 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: over the world, and we better get on board before 169 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: we get this fine. 170 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: Oh well, said Jack, apart from the bit where you've 171 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: got a bit weird again on us like you. 172 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: Did, though didn't look you if you asked me to 173 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: choose between my love for parenting and my love for 174 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: test cricket, I'll tell you what. 175 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 4: It's a bit of a sad choice. 176 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: You're reaction here outrageous. Poor boy. I know where he's 177 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: going to be down at the oval, whether he likes 178 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: it or not. It'll be the kid weeping and sobbing. 179 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: Now listen to him really quickly, arbitrait for me on this. Okay? 180 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: Is it okay to offer lollies to kids as incentives 181 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: for good behavior? 182 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: Completely? Okay? So we're yacking about this at work and 183 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: one of my colleagues piped up and said, yeah, in 184 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: year five we were bribed by sweets, and there were sweets. 185 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: We were talking about free sweets. It's like one fruit loop. 186 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: What will you do to earn one fruit loop? Okay, 187 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: absolutely delightful, angelic. The next year, no sweets, complete terrorsts, 188 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: absolute terrorsts. So and look, here's the deal. If the 189 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: kid's got a bad diet at home, lollies at Schill's 190 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: not going to wreck it. If they've got a good 191 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: diet at home, then lollies at Skill's not going to 192 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: wreck it. 193 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: Yep, to write Jack, Yeah, I agree. I just think 194 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: of all the things that we need to be concerned about, 195 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: this is. 196 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: So far from the top of the list. 197 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: And I remember, I mean we all react to incentives, right. 198 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 3: It's an important economics sstan for kids as well. I 199 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: once upon a time was a primary school DJ as 200 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: a part. 201 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 4: Time job when I was about Yeah, yeah, for the school. 202 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what those. 203 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: Kids would dance for ninety minutes straight on the vague 204 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: hope of winning half a can of coke or something 205 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: like that. 206 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 4: Kids will do anything for sugar. 207 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 3: But I reckon, if that's what you need, that's what you. 208 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 4: Need right, I couldn't agree more. 209 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: And then our lollies. 210 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: I just know the boss. The boss will just dropped 211 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: off a bag of chocolates and we've eaten them already, 212 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: So sorry none for you, Tim will say. And it 213 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: was an incentive that was actually there's a story they'll 214 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: tell you later, Jack Time, Tom Wilson our huddles. 215 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 216 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 217 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.