1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Okay, Barry, so seeing your political correspondence with us. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 2: Hey Barry, good afternoon. He right, run us through what 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: just happened. Well, I've never seen anything like it in 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 2: more than forty years of covering Parliament. The Speaker lost 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: control absolutely, and it's by no fault of his own. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 2: It's by the fault of the MPs in the debating 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: chamber and in particular Rawi white to Tea. He's named 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: Hannah Rafiti Maipi Clark. She's that very young MP for 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 2: the Maldi party. She led off what was going into 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 2: the body of the Parliament and towards David Seymour. Rawi 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: White to Tea was right there with her, and so 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: was Debbie no Riwa Packers. 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 3: This is the hacker. 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: They went right up to David Seymour's desk, very intimidating. 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: I was watching it and you know it's it was 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: much worse than what Juliannejener did with Matt Doosey. And 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 2: she was brought before the Privileges Committee when the House 18 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: resumed after a considerable time. David Seymour wanted, essentially why 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: to Tea to be sent to the Privileges Committee as well, 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: and I'm sure more action will be taken because Parliament 21 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: can't be like that. It became just a mess and 22 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: out of order. The Opposition set out to embarrass the 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: Prime Minister in question time before all this unfolded, before 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: the big debate. Nikola Willis she was standing in for 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: Chris Luckson today. She was none too kind about the 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: bills sponsored David Seymour. 27 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 3: Here she is I do not think it makes sense 28 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: or will be enduring for Parliament to simply set down 29 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 3: its interpretation of the treaty and then seek a majority 30 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: of the public to confirm it and referend him. That 31 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: is a crude way to handle a very delicate subject. 32 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: What does it say about his leadership when his soon 33 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: to be deputy Prime Minister accused him of being quote 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: clearly nervous end quote about the bill and the National 35 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: Party of being quote afraid of taking on hard issues 36 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: end quote, with him doing nothing to dissuade the public 37 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: of that notion. 38 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 3: David Seymour is responsible for his own statements and in 39 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: this case they are wholly incorrect. 40 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: So there's no love lost between David Seymour and the 41 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: National Party. But then it was down to the fiery debate. 42 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: David Seymour as the bill's sponsor. He kicked it off 43 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: and was calm and considered. I've got to say, compared 44 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: with what followed, He's Seymour, followed by labor fire brand 45 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: Willie Jackson. 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 4: The commencement claused says the principles of the spill only 47 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 4: come into force if a majority vote for it to 48 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 4: do so and referendum. The big change here is the 49 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 4: idea that each person has a say on the rules 50 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 4: they live under. Even people who are convinced this bill 51 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 4: will not become law are determined to stop it being discussed, 52 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 4: and that's why you hear so much outspoke and criticism 53 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 4: of it. They know that whether or not this bill 54 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 4: becomes law in this term of Parliament, it's only a 55 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 4: matter of time before its logic prevails. That's why they 56 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 4: say kill the bill, because they can't kill the idea 57 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 4: behind the bill. 58 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 5: The government's own lawyers, mister Speaker who said that this 59 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 5: poll will undermine Mildy rights. But still David Seymour persists 60 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 5: with this disgusting piece of legislation. I said some time 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 5: ago that he was a most dangerous politician in New 62 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 5: Zealand and that has come to pass. This is to you, 63 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 5: David Seymour. You feel hatred and misinformation in this country. 64 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 5: You bring out the worst in New Zealanders. You should 65 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 5: be ashamed of yourself and you are alive. 66 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: See. And he was pulled up on that, and he 67 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: was kicked out of the house for it. Rvalry waited tea. 68 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: He clearly stirred up those in the public galleries and 69 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: opposition parties with this contribution to. 70 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 6: Tease your white tong is superior to any person and 71 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 6: any law if it created in this house at are 72 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 6: seemed to be pulling the strings and running the country 73 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 6: like the KKK with a swipe card to the beehive. 74 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 6: And Luxon doesn't even care there's. 75 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 5: A ghost in his chair. 76 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 6: Uncle one game, but sent your pocket to governor over themselves. 77 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 6: They've assumed governance over us. When will we begin to 78 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 6: assume governance ourselves? 79 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: See? And to me, you know that's that rhetoric is 80 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 2: worrying to say the least. Now the Maori Party leadership 81 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: joined by their members and I've got to say Labors 82 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: came out of his seat. They launched to do a 83 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: deafening harker and that, and they approached David s Labors 84 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: Labors to yep, he sorry, penny, he carry on sorry, 85 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: wrong name, and the speaker he lost all control and 86 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: suspended house. Here's the racket that followed from the public galleries. 87 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 6: The gallery is to be cleared. 88 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: What I've never seen hatred like that in Parliament before, 89 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: with a speaker throwing up his hands as you heard 90 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: at the beginning there and walking out. It's an absolute disgrace. 91 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: Barry, thank you appreciate your time on that one. 92 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 4: That's Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent. 93 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 6: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 94 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 6: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 95 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 6: the podcast on iHeartRadio.