1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from Newstalks, ed B. 3 00:00:12,827 --> 00:00:16,147 Speaker 2: And Slide Twaler. Turf gets up, goes againbody na dummy 4 00:00:16,347 --> 00:00:16,947 Speaker 2: the right way? 5 00:00:17,027 --> 00:00:20,987 Speaker 3: Quarter time, ninety seconds on the. 6 00:00:20,987 --> 00:00:21,827 Speaker 1: Clock and eat a butt. 7 00:00:22,027 --> 00:00:23,827 Speaker 3: Yeah. All Blacks couldn't have wanted for a better start, 8 00:00:23,867 --> 00:00:25,667 Speaker 3: could they? With them on another were scoring a try 9 00:00:25,707 --> 00:00:28,547 Speaker 3: early well Jordan. Shortly after that fourteen nil they were 10 00:00:28,587 --> 00:00:31,347 Speaker 3: up that South Africa came back as they always do. 11 00:00:31,507 --> 00:00:35,947 Speaker 3: All Blacks twenty four, South Africa seventeen. All Black's assistant 12 00:00:35,947 --> 00:00:39,547 Speaker 3: coach Tamothy Allison is with us. Tarmody, congratulations on the win. 13 00:00:39,787 --> 00:00:42,787 Speaker 3: That's why I think they call them test matches because 14 00:00:42,827 --> 00:00:47,307 Speaker 3: they do test every member of both sides. What stands 15 00:00:47,347 --> 00:00:49,987 Speaker 3: out first of all in general terms when you think 16 00:00:50,027 --> 00:00:52,187 Speaker 3: back to the performance the All Black spot on last night. 17 00:00:53,187 --> 00:00:58,627 Speaker 2: Our physical super physical from the start and yeah this 18 00:00:58,907 --> 00:01:02,387 Speaker 2: didn't really change before gritty performances to hang and the 19 00:01:02,387 --> 00:01:03,147 Speaker 2: all the way to the end. 20 00:01:04,067 --> 00:01:06,187 Speaker 3: What were you proudest of as a coaching group? 21 00:01:08,027 --> 00:01:11,267 Speaker 2: I think the leaders just the way they lit on 22 00:01:11,267 --> 00:01:14,907 Speaker 2: the field in pressure moments. They stood up there really 23 00:01:14,947 --> 00:01:19,307 Speaker 2: clear around what they wanted to do and they drove 24 00:01:19,707 --> 00:01:21,307 Speaker 2: the week and they drove the efforts out there to 25 00:01:21,307 --> 00:01:21,667 Speaker 2: start with. 26 00:01:22,507 --> 00:01:25,707 Speaker 3: At twenty four seventeen ahead Ardie Savie wants to turnover 27 00:01:25,827 --> 00:01:27,427 Speaker 3: penaly Right at the end, you must have thought you 28 00:01:27,467 --> 00:01:30,027 Speaker 3: had it won, but somehow South Africa got the ball 29 00:01:30,067 --> 00:01:32,987 Speaker 3: back and came again. How are the emotions then right 30 00:01:33,027 --> 00:01:34,827 Speaker 3: at the end as they as they had ball in 31 00:01:34,867 --> 00:01:37,347 Speaker 3: hand and you had to repel one more attack. 32 00:01:39,227 --> 00:01:43,187 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean believe a more clinical than a couple 33 00:01:43,187 --> 00:01:46,587 Speaker 2: of areas there to start with, Bowie. We back our 34 00:01:47,027 --> 00:01:50,587 Speaker 2: defense and the efforts the boys that keep getting up 35 00:01:50,627 --> 00:01:53,867 Speaker 2: and keep showing up for their mate. So yeah, definitely 36 00:01:53,907 --> 00:01:57,547 Speaker 2: made it an eighty minute performance for the crowd, that's 37 00:01:57,547 --> 00:01:57,867 Speaker 2: for sure. 38 00:01:57,947 --> 00:02:01,067 Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed, how much did the rain which wasn't really forecast, 39 00:02:01,067 --> 00:02:02,907 Speaker 3: I don't think how much did that affect things in 40 00:02:02,987 --> 00:02:05,467 Speaker 3: terms of the slippery ground, the slippery. 41 00:02:05,067 --> 00:02:10,067 Speaker 2: Ball, just just the obvious, you know, whether it be 42 00:02:10,227 --> 00:02:12,707 Speaker 2: I think the thing when the rain comes and goes, 43 00:02:13,587 --> 00:02:15,667 Speaker 2: even once it's gone, it's it's still left on the 44 00:02:15,667 --> 00:02:17,947 Speaker 2: ground and on the ball on the jersey. So you're 45 00:02:17,987 --> 00:02:21,307 Speaker 2: really playing in a in a game that has rain, 46 00:02:21,347 --> 00:02:23,787 Speaker 2: where it's raining at the time or not so you 47 00:02:23,867 --> 00:02:25,667 Speaker 2: have to adapt to those conditions pretty quick. 48 00:02:26,507 --> 00:02:29,707 Speaker 3: Over sixty kicks in play last night across the two teams, 49 00:02:29,707 --> 00:02:32,307 Speaker 3: many of them box kicks. A lot of chat about 50 00:02:32,307 --> 00:02:35,307 Speaker 3: the aerial battle. How do you evaluate how the All 51 00:02:35,307 --> 00:02:36,667 Speaker 3: Blacks went in the air last night? 52 00:02:37,547 --> 00:02:40,627 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the intent was really good. You know, 53 00:02:40,667 --> 00:02:44,067 Speaker 2: you saw the money, you know, flying into the air 54 00:02:44,107 --> 00:02:46,307 Speaker 2: there at the start, just just the intent to want 55 00:02:46,347 --> 00:02:48,507 Speaker 2: to rarely compete in the air. I thought there was 56 00:02:48,507 --> 00:02:49,147 Speaker 2: a shift there. 57 00:02:49,867 --> 00:02:51,987 Speaker 3: How big a part of your brief as a coach 58 00:02:52,107 --> 00:02:53,147 Speaker 3: is the aerial game. 59 00:02:55,147 --> 00:02:58,867 Speaker 2: That's a handover, you know, from the attacking side of 60 00:02:58,907 --> 00:03:01,867 Speaker 2: the board to the d So it's critical that we're 61 00:03:01,867 --> 00:03:05,627 Speaker 2: aligned on where those kicks are going and then looking 62 00:03:05,627 --> 00:03:07,147 Speaker 2: forward to putting press on the air and then the 63 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:10,027 Speaker 2: ground once it kicks a center. It's a massive part 64 00:03:10,027 --> 00:03:11,267 Speaker 2: of the transition part of the game. 65 00:03:11,667 --> 00:03:15,507 Speaker 3: What the what are the key what are the really 66 00:03:15,667 --> 00:03:19,507 Speaker 3: important parts of being good defensively in the air? Because 67 00:03:19,867 --> 00:03:23,067 Speaker 3: I think we all knew that you know the bombs 68 00:03:23,107 --> 00:03:26,707 Speaker 3: were coming, you obviously did. How do you best strategize 69 00:03:26,747 --> 00:03:27,587 Speaker 3: to deal with them? 70 00:03:28,427 --> 00:03:31,827 Speaker 2: I think some of a skill set getting high in 71 00:03:31,867 --> 00:03:33,987 Speaker 2: the opposition, timing you jump and making sure you're the 72 00:03:34,027 --> 00:03:36,347 Speaker 2: highest in the air, whether that's with your knee or 73 00:03:36,387 --> 00:03:40,307 Speaker 2: with your hands. It's skill set's important, but it really 74 00:03:40,387 --> 00:03:42,627 Speaker 2: comes down to being fearless in the air. It's just 75 00:03:42,707 --> 00:03:46,147 Speaker 2: the person who wants to get up in the owner 76 00:03:46,147 --> 00:03:48,587 Speaker 2: as normally the person who gets the ball or it's 77 00:03:48,587 --> 00:03:50,627 Speaker 2: the best part of the scraps anyway. So I thought 78 00:03:50,627 --> 00:03:51,947 Speaker 2: we were really good there with the unten. 79 00:03:52,587 --> 00:03:54,707 Speaker 3: How much is the changing rules and that you know 80 00:03:54,987 --> 00:03:57,587 Speaker 3: you basically can't block runners in any any way, shape 81 00:03:57,627 --> 00:04:00,027 Speaker 3: or form. Now, how much has that changed things? 82 00:04:01,707 --> 00:04:04,107 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's made the air any safer 83 00:04:04,667 --> 00:04:07,507 Speaker 2: to be fair, like a it's a collision in the 84 00:04:07,547 --> 00:04:11,387 Speaker 2: air now. So while those are the rules, you know, 85 00:04:11,387 --> 00:04:14,067 Speaker 2: we're definitely pay by the rules and make the best 86 00:04:14,107 --> 00:04:17,707 Speaker 2: out of it. But you know, the protection for the 87 00:04:17,707 --> 00:04:19,427 Speaker 2: man in the air, there's not a lot there. So 88 00:04:19,947 --> 00:04:22,787 Speaker 2: as it stands, we play where it lays. 89 00:04:23,627 --> 00:04:26,707 Speaker 3: Ardie Savia became the latest All Blacks Test centurion last night. 90 00:04:26,747 --> 00:04:29,027 Speaker 3: They were celebrated on the field after the game. How 91 00:04:29,067 --> 00:04:31,507 Speaker 3: do you celebrate that sort of milestone internally? 92 00:04:35,147 --> 00:04:38,827 Speaker 2: Artie had as fun out here yesterday, you know, his 93 00:04:38,947 --> 00:04:43,307 Speaker 2: big brother. It was just great too. You bring them 94 00:04:43,507 --> 00:04:47,267 Speaker 2: inside the team environment and they had had their own 95 00:04:47,267 --> 00:04:49,187 Speaker 2: little thing as well, so it was just great to 96 00:04:50,707 --> 00:04:53,067 Speaker 2: have his parents and and sas and the kids and 97 00:04:53,067 --> 00:04:56,107 Speaker 2: everyone here. So I think, you know, we all just 98 00:04:56,147 --> 00:05:00,267 Speaker 2: sit back and in awe of Ardi and their family 99 00:05:00,347 --> 00:05:02,827 Speaker 2: and how well they've done and how much self given 100 00:05:02,867 --> 00:05:03,627 Speaker 2: to New Zealand rugby. 101 00:05:04,467 --> 00:05:07,267 Speaker 3: Do you remember the young Artis Vire who you played 102 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:08,987 Speaker 3: against at the back end of your own career. 103 00:05:11,507 --> 00:05:14,067 Speaker 2: My memories of Artie was his brother to start with, 104 00:05:15,107 --> 00:05:19,147 Speaker 2: playing with it and against Julian and then hearing that 105 00:05:19,227 --> 00:05:21,907 Speaker 2: there's a there's another Savia coming and he and he 106 00:05:21,987 --> 00:05:25,947 Speaker 2: might be better. So I actually heard about him before 107 00:05:25,947 --> 00:05:28,627 Speaker 2: I ever met him. And you know the proofs in 108 00:05:28,627 --> 00:05:29,347 Speaker 2: the putting. 109 00:05:29,947 --> 00:05:31,667 Speaker 3: Scott Robinson said during the week he is a man 110 00:05:31,707 --> 00:05:34,147 Speaker 3: a few words and and you know humility is obviously 111 00:05:34,187 --> 00:05:36,107 Speaker 3: a quality where you can all see in Ardie Savia. 112 00:05:36,307 --> 00:05:38,467 Speaker 3: How deep though, is his influence in the playing group. 113 00:05:40,147 --> 00:05:44,227 Speaker 2: It's messis it's action based on the field. It's obvious 114 00:05:45,067 --> 00:05:48,907 Speaker 2: off the field, you know that that leader who's he's 115 00:05:48,907 --> 00:05:51,627 Speaker 2: got a shoulder for for younger players, but he also 116 00:05:51,747 --> 00:05:54,867 Speaker 2: keeps standards for everyone else. So it's massive and I'm 117 00:05:54,907 --> 00:05:58,667 Speaker 2: talking coaches, management, players to the influence he has, and 118 00:05:59,187 --> 00:06:03,947 Speaker 2: I think it's everyone in this group would do anything 119 00:06:04,347 --> 00:06:06,867 Speaker 2: for ards and just special that could get over the 120 00:06:06,947 --> 00:06:07,347 Speaker 2: line for him. 121 00:06:07,427 --> 00:06:09,307 Speaker 3: Last night, at the other end of the scale, you 122 00:06:09,387 --> 00:06:11,987 Speaker 3: had a test debutant last night and half back Kyle Preston, 123 00:06:12,547 --> 00:06:15,067 Speaker 3: this is I think, come quicker than he could have 124 00:06:15,107 --> 00:06:17,707 Speaker 3: possibly imagined. How has he conducted himself across the week. 125 00:06:18,827 --> 00:06:21,147 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think kp is really consistent in his habit 126 00:06:21,267 --> 00:06:24,027 Speaker 2: and that's probably what's got him here and what will 127 00:06:24,067 --> 00:06:28,347 Speaker 2: keep him going is he's super diligent. He's head down, 128 00:06:28,667 --> 00:06:31,747 Speaker 2: and I think he's always been that way. So yeah, 129 00:06:31,747 --> 00:06:33,507 Speaker 2: you don't hear a lot out of him, but he's 130 00:06:33,547 --> 00:06:36,227 Speaker 2: into his work, and not just as a younger person, 131 00:06:36,307 --> 00:06:38,387 Speaker 2: it's just the way he's always gone about his business. 132 00:06:38,467 --> 00:06:40,747 Speaker 2: So to get out of there last night. 133 00:06:41,227 --> 00:06:45,227 Speaker 3: No yellow cards last night was discipline a specific focus 134 00:06:45,267 --> 00:06:47,227 Speaker 3: given the yellow cards you've been handed in the last 135 00:06:47,267 --> 00:06:47,907 Speaker 3: couple of games. 136 00:06:49,947 --> 00:06:52,427 Speaker 2: It always is, you know, we're trying to be as 137 00:06:52,547 --> 00:06:55,147 Speaker 2: safe as we can, but aggressive as we can as well. 138 00:06:57,347 --> 00:06:59,787 Speaker 2: If you're on the sideline, you see the impact of 139 00:06:59,867 --> 00:07:04,267 Speaker 2: the collisions and sometimes you know people get them get 140 00:07:04,307 --> 00:07:06,507 Speaker 2: them wrong. It's both sides of the ball sometimes for 141 00:07:07,067 --> 00:07:08,787 Speaker 2: a leading head from a ball carrier, can you know. 142 00:07:08,947 --> 00:07:12,547 Speaker 2: So it's always a focus. We're always trying to upskill 143 00:07:12,787 --> 00:07:15,107 Speaker 2: and be better in the collisions, you know, a week 144 00:07:15,147 --> 00:07:16,947 Speaker 2: on week and we're really genuine about that prep. 145 00:07:17,787 --> 00:07:21,587 Speaker 3: Did you feel extra pressure ahead of this game given 146 00:07:22,187 --> 00:07:25,587 Speaker 3: the enormity of the occasion, the loss in Argentina, the 147 00:07:25,827 --> 00:07:28,587 Speaker 3: eden Park record to protect it? Was there an extra 148 00:07:28,827 --> 00:07:30,307 Speaker 3: edge about this week? 149 00:07:31,667 --> 00:07:34,547 Speaker 2: I think there was always going to be an extra 150 00:07:34,667 --> 00:07:39,587 Speaker 2: edge with the spring Box and eden Park, and you know, 151 00:07:40,467 --> 00:07:42,387 Speaker 2: concerning about these hundred, there was always going to be 152 00:07:42,387 --> 00:07:47,587 Speaker 2: an extra edge. I'm not sure the pressure changes. I 153 00:07:47,627 --> 00:07:51,067 Speaker 2: think if you really clear around your process, you know, 154 00:07:52,587 --> 00:07:55,587 Speaker 2: the peaks in the valleys of the game. My job 155 00:07:55,707 --> 00:07:57,907 Speaker 2: trying and make players better. So you know, wake up 156 00:07:57,947 --> 00:08:00,027 Speaker 2: this morning and it's the same process for me around 157 00:08:00,907 --> 00:08:04,587 Speaker 2: how do I make them better? So, yeah, there was edge. 158 00:08:05,427 --> 00:08:07,907 Speaker 2: I'm not sure there was unnecessary pressure. 159 00:08:08,267 --> 00:08:11,107 Speaker 3: And in terms of the players themselves, is there any 160 00:08:11,587 --> 00:08:14,507 Speaker 3: need to ensure they don't play the game before the 161 00:08:14,587 --> 00:08:16,467 Speaker 3: game arrives? If you know what I mean? Again, so 162 00:08:16,627 --> 00:08:19,627 Speaker 3: much hype, you know, it's a long week in many ways. 163 00:08:19,947 --> 00:08:22,467 Speaker 3: Is there any strategy needed in that regard? 164 00:08:23,427 --> 00:08:26,627 Speaker 2: I think so. We're very blessed with McGill here. It's 165 00:08:26,667 --> 00:08:29,227 Speaker 2: been here a very long time. He knows how to 166 00:08:29,307 --> 00:08:31,827 Speaker 2: menace the energy loads of the week and it's got 167 00:08:31,867 --> 00:08:34,747 Speaker 2: a great feel for where the group is. At the 168 00:08:34,787 --> 00:08:38,907 Speaker 2: same time, you've got body Beard and Cody, Taylor and 169 00:08:39,067 --> 00:08:40,907 Speaker 2: Ardi who have been here a long time, so they 170 00:08:40,987 --> 00:08:43,827 Speaker 2: know how to manage the group and the mindset and 171 00:08:43,867 --> 00:08:47,547 Speaker 2: communicate with the coaches around what's needed. So we're really 172 00:08:47,587 --> 00:08:48,507 Speaker 2: well led in that space. 173 00:08:49,147 --> 00:08:50,227 Speaker 3: Do you still get nervous? 174 00:08:52,107 --> 00:08:53,787 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do. I think that's a great part 175 00:08:53,827 --> 00:08:55,907 Speaker 2: about it. When you're not on that side of the line. 176 00:08:56,587 --> 00:08:59,507 Speaker 2: The nerves are meant to be there, and you know, 177 00:09:00,227 --> 00:09:02,027 Speaker 2: the feeling is so much meant to be there, means 178 00:09:02,067 --> 00:09:06,107 Speaker 2: you here and even this morning and going into the 179 00:09:06,107 --> 00:09:07,827 Speaker 2: far this week, that they'll be there as well, and 180 00:09:08,387 --> 00:09:09,867 Speaker 2: it helps you go deep in your preparation. 181 00:09:10,467 --> 00:09:12,587 Speaker 3: All right, just to finish on to Wellington. Now, will 182 00:09:12,587 --> 00:09:15,707 Speaker 3: you do it all again next Saturday. That's that's just 183 00:09:15,827 --> 00:09:18,587 Speaker 3: the nature of elite international sport, isn't It is a 184 00:09:18,707 --> 00:09:21,667 Speaker 3: week enough to recover and then get your players ready 185 00:09:21,707 --> 00:09:25,747 Speaker 3: physically and even mentally to go into battle again six 186 00:09:25,867 --> 00:09:26,427 Speaker 3: days from now. 187 00:09:27,827 --> 00:09:30,147 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be and then that's what what's 188 00:09:30,227 --> 00:09:33,627 Speaker 2: the monder of the Jusian expectation? So yep, we have 189 00:09:33,707 --> 00:09:34,267 Speaker 2: to make it work. 190 00:09:34,947 --> 00:09:36,747 Speaker 3: Travel safe, Tammody, great to chat to your mate. All 191 00:09:36,747 --> 00:09:38,467 Speaker 3: the best, Congratulations on the win last night. 192 00:09:38,867 --> 00:09:40,427 Speaker 2: Thanks appreciate the support. 193 00:09:40,467 --> 00:09:42,947 Speaker 3: Thank you, no, thank you for taking the call. 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