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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge on hither dup see Ellen Drey with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand coverage like no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talk said, be liven after four Westpac on the

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Speaker 2: interest rates going back up this afternoon. Auckland's leading cars

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Speaker 2: back onto parts of Queens Street after all of that,

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Speaker 2: But there's a catch. We're live to the US and

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Speaker 2: the UK new migration numbers out today. Is the exodus

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Speaker 2: over and this landmark case of family cares and disabled kids?

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Speaker 2: Does this mean they'll all get paid tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: Ryan bred Brich, This.

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Speaker 2: Nikola willis Ruth Richardson's showdown. It's not a debate anymore,

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Speaker 2: it's a showdown. It looks like it will go ahead

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Speaker 2: next week. This is after the half yearly fiscal update

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Speaker 2: that comes out. As you will know from listening to

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Speaker 2: this show on Monday night, as I know you were,

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Speaker 2: Nichola is not happy with Ruth, and Ruth ain't happy

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Speaker 2: with Nikola. We've got a structural deficit we're not addressing it.

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Speaker 2: Surplus is probably going to be pushed out again to

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Speaker 2: twenty thirty. So we have a showdown, and you might

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Speaker 2: be wondering at this point, Why is the current finance

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Speaker 2: minister debating a former one of some thirty odd years

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Speaker 2: ago at all. Well, here's the common strategy for you

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Speaker 2: on this. Ruth has credibility, at least on the right.

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Speaker 2: The left reckons she permanently scarred the country. But you

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Speaker 2: cannot deny and I don't think anyone does that something

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Speaker 2: been going terribly well on that front of late spending

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Speaker 2: So this is a way of tackling Ruth's attacks head

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Speaker 2: And usually ministers don't do this stuff. They don't give

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Speaker 2: why you wouldn't see Luxen near Hipkins outside of a

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Speaker 2: Bollywood dance off, except during mandatory campaign debates. So sorry, Chloe. Sorry, Barbara,

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Speaker 2: this is a ruth thing. But there's also a smarter

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Speaker 2: distances herself from the scrooge argument. She highlights how much

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Speaker 2: they are still in fact spending and haven't cut, and

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Speaker 2: a little trigger happy on the Old Country credit card too.

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Speaker 4: Ryan Bridge nine after four two US the numbers text

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Speaker 4: would love your feedback this afternoon.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's cyber agency is warning to twenty six thousand

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Speaker 2: kiwis that their computers have been infected with malicious software.

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Speaker 2: The National Cybersecurity Center or NCSC, which sent out the

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Speaker 2: emails today warning users about a possible infection. They say

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Speaker 2: the software has stolen sensitive information connected to bank accounts

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Speaker 2: and government systems. So what is it? Who got it?

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Speaker 2: How do we know? Patrick Sharp, general manager of AURA

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Speaker 2: Information Security joins me. Now, Patrick, good afternoon, Good afternoon,

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Speaker 2: So how did this? Can we go back to the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Do we know how this malware might have got into

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Speaker 6: So this sort of malware can actually be delivered through

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Speaker 6: a range of different mechanisms. There is some mechanisms such

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Speaker 6: aim as generation software, just malicious websites. There's one instance

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily because I always think if I don't click

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Speaker 2: any trouble. But actually you could just go to a

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Speaker 2: what's the software called?

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Speaker 7: This?

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Speaker 2: The molicious software? And what does it do?

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Speaker 6: So it's called Lumas Steeler and it's what's called a

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Speaker 6: Steeler malware. So basically what it does is steel information

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Speaker 6: Pretty obvious. I guess that might include things I use

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Speaker 2: Is it on my phone or my hard computer laptop?

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Speaker 6: This one seems to be affecting Windows based systems, so

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Speaker 2: And how does the government know whether my computer, my

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Speaker 6: So inciously noted that they've been alerted to this by

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Speaker 6: their partners. That presumably means that another organization, ever see,

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Speaker 6: has actually found a trove of data which has been

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Speaker 2: With how do I know if I've I mean, aside

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Speaker 2: How do is there any sign that you would have

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Speaker 6: No? These are this kind of software is designed to

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Speaker 6: run quietly in the background, so you wouldn't know the

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Speaker 6: only unless you're running antivirus software, which has then detected

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Speaker 6: This I presumably However, these the sort of malware has

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Speaker 2: Patrick. Today we're talking about twenty three thousand email addresses,

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Speaker 2: twenty three thousand people. Is time? Will we be talking

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Speaker 2: about everyone? I mean, should we be putting any of

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Speaker 6: In reality, this is a huge problem, these sorts of

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Speaker 6: the sort of malware and lots of data in general.

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Speaker 6: But we can't simply not put our data online. So

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Speaker 6: we have to become very aware of how we're actually

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Speaker 2: Patrick, appreciate your time this afternoon. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: Patrick Sharp, General manager at AURA Information Security. You will

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Speaker 2: get an email if this is you, and I know

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Speaker 2: people will be freaking out listening to this, and so

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Speaker 2: you should be. I mean, it's frightening. But if you

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Speaker 2: It is sixteen minutes after four. Good on Nicholas, says Pauline.

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Speaker 2: Ruth Richards. It needs to butt out and out is

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Speaker 2: full caps. Pauline's on a rampage this afternoon. She is

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Speaker 2: I think with Ruth, well, she's part of their taxpayers union.

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Speaker 2: She's on the board of the taxpayers Union. That's why

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Speaker 2: week seventeen after four sport with the.

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Speaker 2: See how the cricket's going. Darcy is here, Hey Darce,

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Speaker 2: Hello Ryan. So this day one of Test two against

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Speaker 8: In the third session He's decided to go into bowling.

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Speaker 8: The one that Toll said didn't start well. It looked

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Speaker 9: So currently though they are sitting at one.

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Speaker 9: So not bad at all.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty one for the loss. So far,

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Speaker 2: so good, Yeah, so far, so good. Now, Joseph Parker

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Speaker 8: Suggest that it'd be it explosive. Joseph Jurassic Parker, that's

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Speaker 8: his real name, Ryan, you got to use that now

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Speaker 8: And he's claiming he's adamant that he didn't take any

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Speaker 2: But also it's interesting because they will there'll be lawyers

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Speaker 8: So he's got to be careful around what he says.

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Speaker 8: But when it comes through.

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Speaker 2: We'll get him on in Now the pride game in

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Speaker 2: this FIFA World Cup will feature two countries with homosexuality

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Speaker 8: This came early doors Seattle right okay, West Coast there,

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Speaker 8: So it doesn't surprise me that they want a Pride round.

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Speaker 8: And so this is all locked in stone before the draw.

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Speaker 8: Then the World Cup draw came out, and who the

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Speaker 8: two teams are playing in that one game? They've allocated, Well,

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Speaker 8: a place where homosexuality attracts the death sentence and that's

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Speaker 8: I run in Egypt, heavily outlawed, and they really come

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Speaker 8: anything vaguely rainbow. So could it have been worse? I

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Speaker 8: thought it was the ultimate trol from Seattle and FIFA.

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Speaker 8: They didn't mean it.

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Speaker 2: So it was a random drawer. Ah, And so how

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Speaker 2: many games in the Pride Round? No, this is just

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Speaker 2: the Pride Jane Justice one. Do you want to make

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Speaker 2: a point and go, hey, we're all in LBG.

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Speaker 8: Come I'm glad your wife, And because I found it

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Speaker 2: There's a stitch up. There is a stitch up that

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Speaker 2: The dumbest thing that they've ever been invented. Because that

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Speaker 8: Some respect sexuality, gender, religion or just about as divisive

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Speaker 2: I look forward to seeing in Seattle, Iran and Egypt

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Speaker 8: Reaction was priceless.

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Speaker 2: If you've got that on video, stick it on one after.

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Speaker 3: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on either duplicy Elan drive with one

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Speaker 2: That'd be forty four. Trevis says Ryan, I can see

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Speaker 2: you adjudicating the two ladies in your studio. Well, yes,

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Speaker 2: I could probably see that too, Trevor. Now to Parliament.

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Speaker 2: Shame on those protesters, Shame on you. Unlike many countries

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Speaker 7: What is it?

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Speaker 2: But here is some of them. You will recognize this one.

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Speaker 10: I mean, if you don't like the lunches, actually just

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Speaker 2: And Judith comes in with corruption.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think if it walks like a duck and

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Speaker 3: Good, is it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll tell you which one I think is going

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Speaker 2: we've had a poll out this afternoon from the Taxpayers Union. Jeez,

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker on the iHeart App and in

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Speaker 1: Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand tand of

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Speaker 1: Power of Satellite Mobile News Talks EBB, by the way, the.

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court ruling on parent carers and is WHISPAC the

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Speaker 2: you very much. We'll talk to them after five as well.

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Speaker 2: This Texas says Ryan. Have you checked out the new

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Speaker 2: downloaded the new gov dot z app yet? Looks cool

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Speaker 2: but it feels very nineteen eighty four. And the answer,

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Speaker 2: Drive, Wednesday, tenth December. Zelenski says I'll hold elections if

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Speaker 12: I think they're weak, but I also think that they

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Speaker 8: They want to be politically correct, and it makes them weak.

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Speaker 2: Staying with Trump for a second, you know those peace

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Speaker 13: Despite our good faith and the recently ratified agreement, it

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Speaker 2: Finally, this afternoon, this is a very cool story. A

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Speaker 2: Amazing, very cool international correspondence with ends and eye insurance,

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Speaker 14: Ryan.

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Speaker 10: I want to hear that octopus players extreme guitar.

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Speaker 2: It's very cool. I mean, look, anything's anything's possible. Hey,

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Speaker 2: It certainly is. Now. Trump's talking up the economy. He's

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Speaker 2: Now, finally, Pamela Anderson, there were those rumors they had

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Speaker 2: Oh is that a euphemism? Is that what they call

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Speaker 2: it these days?

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Speaker 10: No, that's legitimately baking bread. I think she was legitimately

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Speaker 10: baking bread. I don't know whether she intended it is

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Speaker 10: a euphemism, but he certainly said that the bread that

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Speaker 10: she baked was delicious.

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Speaker 2: Good to know, Jonathan, Thank you, Jonathan Kresley, are yous correspondent,

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Speaker 2: cry bred and not too yeast to eighteen to five Now,

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Speaker 2: lots of tecks coming in on the app. This is

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Speaker 2: the government app gv dot in z Ryan. When using

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Speaker 2: the app, this is the people saying that they've downloaded

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Speaker 2: the app today and they actually really like it and

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Speaker 2: it's useful. When using the app, you go to the

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Speaker 2: correct websites, not the scam one. So yes, it might

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Speaker 2: just be sending you to a whib site which you

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Speaker 2: could have got through Google anyway, but it sends you

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Speaker 2: to legitimate ones, not illegitimate ones, which means you're less

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Speaker 2: likely to get scammed. That is Yeah, that sounds like

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Speaker 2: a good feature. This is from a person who was

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Speaker 2: watching question Time yesterday when all the hallabaloo kicked off

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Speaker 2: with the protesters. Ryan, I was watching it when those

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Speaker 2: idiots performed, they did nothing for their cause whatever it was,

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Speaker 2: and embarrassed all New Zealanders in front of visitors from Mongolia.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't realized we had Mongolian visitors in the house.

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Speaker 2: Now the actions have locked us out of our own parliament.

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Speaker 2: And what punishment do the unruly mob get? Well, that

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Speaker 2: is a very good question. Usually it's a slap across

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Speaker 2: the hand with a wet bus teck, isn't it? Seventeen

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Speaker 2: away from five? Barry soaper here with politics.

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Speaker 1: Next politics with centrics, credit, check your customers and get payments?

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Speaker 3: Certainty caught it to.

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Speaker 2: Five News talks there b Barri's in the house, Barry,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon.

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I could be in the house, was down Wellington.

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Speaker 8: But I see that if you want to go and

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Speaker 8: visit and watch the proceedings, you're not allowed to for

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Speaker 8: the rest of the year. As you say, Ryan, it

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Speaker 8: is a pity because a lot of people do turn

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Speaker 8: up to have a look at the politicians behave and

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Speaker 8: it's because of those your bo's yesterday, the pro Palestinian lot.

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Speaker 8: They were outside as well, so why if they had to.

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Speaker 2: Take it inside attention seeking?

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Speaker 8: Well, totally, I'm surprised that Jerry Browne didn't actually clear

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Speaker 8: the public gallery immediately.

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Speaker 2: Can you remember the gallery being closed like that?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it has been closed before.

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Speaker 2: It has been closed before, but hopefully not for too

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Speaker 2: much longer. I think they said till Christmas. So the

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Speaker 2: Green sea a sinister side in scrapping the rm A.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's.

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Speaker 8: Incredible when you you know, arguably the most significant attack

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Speaker 8: on red tape and cumbersome rules and regulations that we've seen,

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Speaker 8: like christ Bership said, in a generation. But the Greens,

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Speaker 8: who took a four percent dive in the one used

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Speaker 8: veryan poll this week, were on their feet and part

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Speaker 8: Today's suggesting something sinister he is co Green's leader Marlama Davidson,

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Speaker 8: pointing her in the theorious finger at Chris Luxon.

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Speaker 15: Was any analysis done as to whether ministers or MPs

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Speaker 15: would benefit from this, and if not, why not?

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Speaker 13: And answer to the first question, we haven't done that.

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Speaker 15: Does he have confidence then that no ministers or government

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Speaker 15: members hold consents that will benefit from these blanket extensions?

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Speaker 15: And if so, on what basis.

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Speaker 13: I have confidence that we manage our conflicts appropriately?

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Speaker 2: Point of order Funeral sham Jones.

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Speaker 13: Not only was a wild allegation made about members of

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Speaker 13: this side of the House, then further.

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Speaker 2: Unproven reckless statements were permitted. Here was mostly an inference

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Speaker 2: in a question, but not a wild allegation, and I

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Speaker 2: think it was adequately answered. And what a waste of time.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, honestly talk about conspiracy theories as you

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Speaker 8: would set about taking apart this massive piece of legislation

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Speaker 8: and going, hang on, you've got you're waiting for a

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Speaker 8: consent your minister.

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Speaker 2: Is that's ridiculous, patently, But also does she assume that

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Speaker 2: Labor was guilty of the same crime when they took

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Speaker 2: there's a place?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? Not as successfully?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And was Labor really kept in the dark on

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Speaker 2: these changes to begin with?

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Speaker 8: Well, that's what they said. They said they were kept

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Speaker 8: in the dark. But I'd say hang on to that one.

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Speaker 8: The bills architect Chris Bishop has said he consulted with

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Speaker 8: Labor on the charges or on the changes he's made.

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Speaker 8: Have a listened to Carmel Seppaloni on that one.

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Speaker 16: He has had a number of briefings.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'll give him that.

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Speaker 16: But to me, it was dropped at one pm yesterday,

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Speaker 16: But to mean, it was dropped at one pm yesterday

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Speaker 16: and then now all of a sudden, you know, we've

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Speaker 16: still got to take it away and consider it. So

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Speaker 16: some of what's in there we expected and we need

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Speaker 16: a chance to be able to look over it thoroughly.

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Speaker 8: That was came Alceepalone on our opposite number are in

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Speaker 8: z this morning on their political panel the idea that

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Speaker 8: they poach from us, of course with Ginny and Mark,

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Speaker 8: which I think is much more entertaining. But talk about

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Speaker 8: having your Christmas cake and eating it too. I mean

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Speaker 8: I did edit twice that she said it, because I

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Speaker 8: wanted you to basically hear her coming back on herself.

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Speaker 8: I mean, what more did they expect a lot? Obviously

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Speaker 8: are like credit for having a look at it while

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Speaker 8: they were in government and then sitting on their hands.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, exactly talk about lose the argument. Although I do

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Speaker 2: think there's some mirror and politicians holding far unlike Sometimes

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Speaker 2: I like it when they don't give you an immediate

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Speaker 2: hot take an immediate put. You know where they say,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go away and I'm going to read

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Speaker 2: this properly and come back with a view.

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Speaker 8: You know, that's the sea because you don't know what

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Speaker 8: you've been briefed on.

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Speaker 2: I suppose in this case that might be true. Now,

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Speaker 2: this debate between the Wilson Ruth Richson probably going to

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Speaker 2: happen next week.

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Speaker 8: Well we don't know, do we, But certainly Nichola Willis

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Speaker 8: has thround down the gauntlet. I liked her analysis on

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Speaker 8: at the beginning of the program because it is right

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Speaker 8: the far right. A lot of people don't remember that

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Speaker 8: not only is Ruth Richardson the chair of the taxpayers

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Speaker 8: Union that's setting out to take Nikola Willis apart. She

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Speaker 8: was the architect of the mother of all budgets. She

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Speaker 8: was the first woman finance minister to present a budget

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Speaker 8: in this country and it's one that will never forget.

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Speaker 8: I mean, if you only have to look at what

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Speaker 8: she did in that budget. She cut welfare benefits, the

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Speaker 8: unemployment benefit by about twenty five percent. That in those

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Speaker 8: days was fourteen dollars a week. Doesn't sound like much,

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Speaker 8: but it was probably quite a bit then I remember it,

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Speaker 8: not that I was on a benefit. Of course, the

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Speaker 8: secondest benefit she cut around twenty percent, and that was

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Speaker 8: twenty seven dollars a week, and support for families was reduced,

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Speaker 8: basically the whole family benefit was changed. So really, I

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Speaker 8: think I think it'll be quite an interesting these two.

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Speaker 8: And you know, in fairness to Ruth Richardson, she was

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Speaker 8: a hard ass, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: And to make friends were to make friends. Hey, the

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Speaker 2: fudge chocolate thing for the Taxpayers Union as well, I've

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Speaker 2: been told that I wasn't meant to mention it because

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Speaker 2: it's embargo till tomorrow. Oh dear, and you've eaten your fund,

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Speaker 2: beaten my fudge hand in the cookie jar, you'd your cake.

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Speaker 2: There you go, all right, Verry, Thanks for that. Very

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Speaker 2: Soper News Talk political correspondent. It is nine minutes to five.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 3: Back to the business of RMA reform.

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Speaker 17: Chris Bishop is the RMA reform Minister. Now this requires

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Speaker 17: counsels to plan, is it thirty years in advance.

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Speaker 2: Yes, spacial plans will be thirty years in it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 17: Have we ever in this country planned thirty years in

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Speaker 17: advance for anything?

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Speaker 2: Well, Auckland is required to do a spatial plan now,

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Speaker 2: But the types of plans we're talking about the answer

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Speaker 2: is now.

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Speaker 17: Do you have confidence we can? It cost us millions

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Speaker 17: to make plans, and we fight about it. And some

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Speaker 17: of the plans that we're designed a decade ago still

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Speaker 17: aren't completely enforced and are still in courts I know.

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Speaker 8: And that's why we're making the plan making process a

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Speaker 8: lot simpler.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplice Ellen on the my Casking Breakfast back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: at six am with the Defender News Talks dB six.

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Speaker 2: To five News Talks B five point thirty five. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk to Cal Bates is the National MP

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Speaker 2: in charge of this Select Committee. They've been looking at

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Speaker 2: the young people in the phones and the smartphones, and

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Speaker 2: fifty pages long the Select Committee report that they have

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Speaker 2: dropped on us today. Fifty pages long. Guess how many

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Speaker 2: of those pages talk about parents actually minding their own

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Speaker 2: children and making sure that they're keeping off the Internet

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Speaker 2: and keeping off smartphones and keeping off social media one page,

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Speaker 2: one page, it's three point three roles and responsibility of parents, educators,

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Speaker 2: and civil society, so not even just parents, so it's

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Speaker 2: probably let's say a third on parents. Many submitters this

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Speaker 2: is from the report. Many submitters discuss the role parents, caregivers,

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Speaker 2: family and communities have in protecting young people. Some said

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Speaker 2: parents should monitor their kids online activity. Now, funnily enough,

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Speaker 2: agreeing with those people was Metau TikTok and the other

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Speaker 2: social media giants. They've got a vested interest in obviously

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Speaker 2: putting this on the parents. But the thing that got

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Speaker 2: me about this one page that we're looking at. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk to cal Bates about this is that there was

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Speaker 2: a survey done of parents. Nearly five thousand parents and

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Speaker 2: caregivers surveyed, ninety three percent were totally unaware or only

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Speaker 2: slightly aware of solutions to minimize online harms to young people.

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Speaker 2: It's called taking the phone off them. How can you

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Speaker 2: be so unaware? It just makes zero sense to me,

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Speaker 2: So we'll ask cal Bates over in Australia, Elbows put

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Speaker 2: his TikTok up.

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Speaker 18: Across Australia, those un to sixteen are starting their day

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Speaker 18: a little differently without social media. It's a big change,

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Speaker 18: and where the first country in the world to give

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Speaker 18: it a crack. But it really matters now.

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Speaker 2: The funny part about this TikTok video is all the

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Speaker 2: young people who are supposed to have been given the

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Speaker 2: boot from social media coming in underneath it and commenting

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Speaker 2: in the comments section, Hey, we're still here. Your ban

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Speaker 2: hasn't worked now, so we'll talk about that with calbots too.

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Speaker 2: How the ausies are going very quickly on the Warner Brothers'

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Speaker 2: share price, because you know, I've got a vested interest

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Speaker 2: in this with some shares myself. The share price up

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Speaker 2: over twenty eight bucks today and doubled in the last year. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: There's a guy who used to do deals for Disney

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Speaker 2: who reckons it could go even higher, that both Netflix

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Speaker 2: and Paramount will up their offers. They will sweeten and

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Speaker 2: maybe even substantially sweeten their offers in order to get

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Speaker 2: it across the line, try and get the shares off

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Speaker 2: for Warner Brothers. He reckons an extra five to ten,

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Speaker 2: possibly fifteen million US to go. So I'll hold for now.

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Speaker 2: I do have friends who are selling, but I will

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Speaker 2: hold for now and let you know how it goes. Tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: News Talk zaid be the Supreme Court ruling on the

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Speaker 1: We get the answers, find the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: life to the base of Reserve and Andrew Olderson very shortly.

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Speaker 2: Tickner's out. He's huffing on what looks like pain medication

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Speaker 2: being stretchered off at the moment, so we'll get an

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Speaker 2: update from him very shortly. First, though, the government is

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Speaker 2: taking advice tonight on a landmark Supreme Court ruling. This

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Speaker 2: decided two parents who care for their disabled adult children

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Speaker 2: full time are employees of the government. Paul Dauka Casey

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Speaker 2: has been acting for the two cares in this case

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Speaker 2: and joins them now Paul Good evening, what exactly does

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Speaker 2: a ruling mean for your two clients? Now?

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Speaker 14: It means that their status, says employees, has been recognized.

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Speaker 14: They are now entitled to leave a benefits available to

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Speaker 14: an employee under the Employment Relations Act. It will be

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Speaker 14: a further hearing in that court where their en government

668
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Speaker 14: will be determined, and they will they will recover accordingly.

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Speaker 14: Then there will be others that are in the same boat.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that the ten thousand or so other family careers

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Speaker 2: that are thought to be out there. It doesn't nothing

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Speaker 2: applies to them. How do they get the same entitlement?

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Speaker 14: Well, in most cases, I imagine that the Ministry would

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Speaker 14: have known they were providing employment services to their disabled child,

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Speaker 14: adult disabled person because of regular masks, becosits and analysis,

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Speaker 14: so they would understand it and a relationship existed. I

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Speaker 14: expect that for many, or if not most of them,

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Speaker 14: if they make a claim under the Employment Relations Act

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Speaker 14: in the same way, they'll succeed.

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Speaker 2: Any idea what the cost of this could be to

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Speaker 2: the state?

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Speaker 14: No, But a couple of observations. One is that in

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Speaker 14: the course of this litigation over the years we've been

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Speaker 14: doing it, and one since we found that the Crown

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Speaker 14: hadn't even spent its allocated budget on providing care for

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Speaker 14: high needs disabled So what is that it was a

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Speaker 14: shortage of funding. Also, is worth remembering that this is

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Speaker 14: the cheapest option the ways that care can be provided

689
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Speaker 14: for a high heeds disabled person are either you are

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Speaker 14: external cares bring them into the home and payment, or

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Speaker 14: you have a residential care facility, which is not an

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Speaker 14: attractive idea for many people and there aren't enough rooms anyway.

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Speaker 14: Or thirdly, you paid the parents, so the parents paying

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Speaker 14: the appearance is the cheap as option.

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Speaker 2: Paul, appreciate that update for us. Thanks very much for

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Speaker 2: being me this evening. That's Paul dalk Casey. He was

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Speaker 2: acting for the two cares in the Supreme Court case

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Speaker 2: nine after.

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Speaker 3: Five Brian Bridge.

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Speaker 2: We've got to Wellington because this reaction to west pank yesterday.

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Speaker 2: West Pac Bank yesterday came out and lifted their two

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Speaker 2: and five year interest rates by thirty basis points. And

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Speaker 2: if you've got a mortgage, you'll be watching that closely.

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Speaker 2: Nicola Willison's shop around.

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Speaker 19: Wes Pack have made that choice. Other banks have not.

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Speaker 19: And look, I really want to see New Zealanders seeing

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Speaker 19: that they have some power when it comes to where

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Speaker 19: they take their mortgage. And don't just look at the

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Speaker 19: headline rates. Go and hold your bank's feet to the fire.

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Speaker 19: See if another bank will give you a better rate.

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Speaker 2: Kelly, you're cold, is west PAC's chief economist joining me tonight, Kelly,

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Speaker 2: good evening.

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Speaker 5: Good evening.

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Speaker 2: So is this is west Pac the first and the

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Speaker 2: rest will follow?

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Speaker 5: Well, we're certainly the first. I assume that the rest

717
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Speaker 5: will follow because in the end everybody faces the same

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Speaker 5: increase in funding costs that's occurred in the last few weeks.

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Speaker 2: What's driving that the swap rates? What's going on there?

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Speaker 2: Can you explain it to us?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the Reserve Bank was unexpectedly hawkish when they

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Speaker 5: did their monetary policy statement a few weeks ago. Now,

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Speaker 5: we kind of expected that they would cut the rate

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Speaker 5: by twenty five basis points, but we didn't expect them

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Speaker 5: to call time on the easing cycle. So as a result,

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Speaker 5: the combination of them basically saying that they saw a

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Speaker 5: high hurdle for further cuts, and then after the market

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Speaker 5: interest rate started going up when they said that the

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Speaker 5: market reaction was in line with what they would have expected,

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Speaker 5: has sort of scared the markets a little bit, I suppose,

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Speaker 5: and had them thinking about, well, if they're not cutting,

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Speaker 5: maybe they'll be hiking at some stage, And as a result,

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Speaker 5: they're really brought forward when they think interest rates will

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Speaker 5: start to rise.

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Speaker 2: Re Zoot Bank Governor Arna Brennen came out today and said, look,

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Speaker 2: don't read too much into this. You know, were all

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Speaker 2: options are still on the table. Is the marking going

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Speaker 2: to listen to that?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think sometimes the markets do overreact a little

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Speaker 5: bit here, and I think that probably is what has

741
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Speaker 5: happened here. I mean, based off what the Reserve Bank said,

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Speaker 5: there's not really any good justification for why the two

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Speaker 5: year and the three year and the five year interst

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Speaker 5: rates should have gone up by well it's almost sixty

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Speaker 5: basis points now that wasn't in the Reserve Bank's forecast.

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Speaker 5: But nevertheless, I think people in the markets got caught

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Speaker 5: surprised by that change in tone from the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 5: and they went positioned for it. So sometimes these markets

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Speaker 5: can overshoot.

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Speaker 2: Kelly appreciate that update. Thank you, Kelly. You're called from Westpac.

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Speaker 2: Just a note of clarification that he was speaking not

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Speaker 2: as a spokesperson for the bank obviously, but here airs

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Speaker 2: an economist for it. It is twelve minutes after five,

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Speaker 2: Brian Bridge. Now the Quote of the Year I told

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Speaker 2: you earlier in the show, Chris Luxon is up for

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Speaker 2: Quote of the Year. This is Massive University's annual thing

757
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Speaker 2: for this one, the deal.

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Speaker 10: I mean, if you don't like the lunches, actually just

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Speaker 10: go make your mum might sandwich and put an apple

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Speaker 10: on the bag.

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Speaker 2: And Judith Collins is up for this one.

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Speaker 20: I think if it walks like a duck and a

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Speaker 20: quacks like ducas, not.

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Speaker 3: Looking good is it?

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Speaker 2: Now? There is one that I think was better than

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Speaker 2: both of those. In fact, there's one that I think

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Speaker 2: will win, and it comes from a conservation so sorry

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Speaker 2: from a hunter when they asked him about do you

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Speaker 2: newt to the cats or do you shoot the cats?

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Speaker 2: Kill the cats, the feral cats because they're killing the birds,

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Speaker 2: and he said his response was, I thought, quite good.

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Speaker 2: Where the cats are not just the cats are killing

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Speaker 2: the native birds, they're not shagging them. Yeah, quite good. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to win, but I'll let you

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Speaker 2: know what the rest of them are after six later

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Speaker 2: on this evening. Also, I should update you on the

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Speaker 2: numbers we had from migration today. So despite all the

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Speaker 2: talk about the Kiwi exodus, and yes there has been

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Speaker 2: a Kiwi exodus, but we have still been growing population

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Speaker 2: wise from migration the entire time. I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of people forget that now We've got monthly figures out

782
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Speaker 2: for October showing four four hundred New Zealand citizens left

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Speaker 2: the country long term in October. Now, that's actually down

784
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Speaker 2: almost ten percent on October last year. It is the

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Speaker 2: lowest number in any month of the year since October

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two. So is this the start of

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Speaker 2: the trend reversing of the exodus sort of slowing down

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Speaker 2: at the very least as we pick up into twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six. Well, we have to wait and see. It's

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Speaker 2: one month's data, but it is the lowest net loss

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Speaker 2: of overall, lowest net loss of New Zealand citizens in

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Speaker 2: any month of the year since December twenty twenty two

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Speaker 2: fourteen after five News Talk seid B will get an

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Speaker 2: update from the Cricket next Now, this would have to

795
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Speaker 2: be the contender for the most underpriced Australian red wine

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Speaker 2: on the market right now. It's won four Gold medals

797
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Speaker 2: and at just fourteen ninety nine a bottle, this simply

798
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Speaker 2: has to be your go to barbecue red wine for summer.

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Speaker 2: It's available online right now at the Good Wine Co

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Speaker 2: their website. If you didn't know the Goodwine dot Co

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Speaker 2: dot enz that's the Goodwine dot Co dot ENZ and

802
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Speaker 2: the wine that we're talking about is called Caravan Direct.

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Speaker 2: It's say Petissa Raft from twenty twenty two. New Zealand

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00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: wine critic Michael Cooper once asked, is this the most

805
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Speaker 2: full bodied, flavor packed Ossie Read for under twenty bucks?

806
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Speaker 2: The answer, Oh yes. It's an absolute monster mouthful of fruit,

807
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Speaker 2: packed to the rafters with dark, inky RedBerry fruit flavors

808
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: and a touch of spice. If you love full bodied

809
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: reds like Ossie Cherez, you'll be right into this one.

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Speaker 2: At just fourteen ninety nine bottle, it is seriously good

811
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Speaker 2: value for Gold medal winning full bodied Ossie Read just

812
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: fourteen ninety nine per bottle. It's a steal and if

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Speaker 2: you order now you'll pay just a dollar per case

814
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: delivery to your door anywhere in New Zealand. Conditions apply.

815
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Speaker 2: Order online right now at the Good Wine dot Co

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Speaker 2: dot NZ or call oh eight hundred double six two

817
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Speaker 2: double six two Crayan Bridge. Mike Lundy you know him,

818
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: released from prison in May. He was there for twenty

819
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Speaker 2: three years, locked up because he killed his wife and

820
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: his daughter in Parmest North. He was released in twenty

821
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Speaker 2: fifteen you know, he had his conviction quashed but then

822
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Speaker 2: got sent back after he was found on retrail. Actually

823
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Speaker 2: you're guilty. While some of his restrictions have been relaxed,

824
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: so he was subject to a curfew no longer. As

825
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Speaker 2: of today, he can now also speak to journalists, so

826
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Speaker 2: we could soon see our first Mark Lundy interview. We

827
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Speaker 2: haven't seen one of those yet. We just saw the

828
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Speaker 2: performance at the funeral. You'll remember that with the glasses

829
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Speaker 2: on and the weird shirt. Now the social media thing

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Speaker 2: he can now was banned, which is sort of an

831
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Speaker 2: odd one for me, but anyway, he was banned from

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Speaker 2: using social media and he is now free to go

833
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Speaker 2: and use social media sites. So there you go. The

834
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Speaker 2: kids in Australia can't use them, but Mark Lundy can.

835
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Speaker 2: Ryan five eighteen, it's go to the cricket. But a

836
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Speaker 2: drama there today with the black Caps, second day of

837
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Speaker 2: the second Windy's Test, and Blear Tickner has been stretched

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Speaker 2: off the field. Andrew is with us now, Andrew, good afternoon.

839
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Speaker 3: Greeting's Ryan.

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Speaker 21: Yes, it's gone from bear to worse for the black Caps.

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Speaker 21: Occasualty Ward's sure Tickner has gone off what looks.

842
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 22: Like a.

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Speaker 21: Justification. In this early stage, he's hit the ground trying

844
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Speaker 21: to field a ball a fine leg and what the

845
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 21: western is one ninety three for seven of that stage

846
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 21: in one ninety nine for eight now, but he's hit

847
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 21: the ground hard and looks like he's popped out of shoulder.

848
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Speaker 21: Potentially he's been on I didn't know you know about

849
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 21: this what it's called the green whistle, which is immediate

850
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 21: pain relief apparently. And I doubt that he's going back

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00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 21: for this mismatch or even the next one Ryan. So

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Speaker 21: just he's added to that black Cat's list of injuries,

853
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 21: and they may well be calling in another bowler now

854
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 21: for the third ship. Not long, but all said, and

855
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 21: he's able to have put together a reasonably solid showing

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00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 21: here this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: As I say, one ninety nine for eight.

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Speaker 21: We he's had an opening standard of sixty six.

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Speaker 10: But he's in to weep their way back into proceedings.

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Speaker 2: We're getting a bit short on bowlers there all this.

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Speaker 21: We are, indeed, and well Jamison is currently we're his

862
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 21: way back and doing some rehab and also building up

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00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 21: his loads. But I wonder if they might bring him

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Speaker 21: back after that to the third Test that Marlong.

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Speaker 3: New Zealand needs a spearhead.

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Speaker 10: But the irony of this is that.

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Speaker 21: Technos absolutely out look it's for thirty two sixteen overs,

868
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Speaker 21: probably his best display in a Test match shirt and

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Speaker 21: was looking to wrap up the innings. So disappointment from

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Speaker 21: New Zealand on that front. Given it, they will be

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Speaker 21: likely to have him disposal for the second innings and Test.

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Speaker 21: The loss of man Henry, the loss of Nathan Smith,

873
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Speaker 21: among others. Already in the rehab bune with will I

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Speaker 21: benc To add to that, Kyle Jamieson, it's a wofle picture.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Hey appreciate that update, Andrew, thank you. Andrew

876
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Speaker 2: Alison with us on the Basemin Reserve this afternoon. It

877
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Speaker 2: is five twenty and in a couple of minutes I

878
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Speaker 2: will run you through just a couple of things to

879
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 2: do with the social media ban over in Australia. There's

880
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Speaker 2: some interesting little tidbits that I'll bring for you, and

881
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: also we will talk to the back from part of

882
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Speaker 2: the city in Auckland. This is after six this evening.

883
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: Because on Queen Street you would no matter where you

884
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Speaker 2: are in New Zealand, you'll know Queen Street and you

885
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: would have heard that they have closed big chunks of

886
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Speaker 2: it to cars to vehicles while they're reversing that decision

887
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Speaker 2: Auckland Transport. But there is a little bit of a catch.

888
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Speaker 2: It's there are some t's and c's which will bring

889
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Speaker 2: you across as well. Twenty one after five, cutting.

890
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: Through the noise to get the facts.

891
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on hither duplicy Ellen Drive with one

892
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Speaker 1: New Zealand coverage like no one else News talks, it'd

893
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Speaker 1: be it is.

894
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Speaker 2: Five twenty four on news Talks, there'd be. There's a

895
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Speaker 2: British politician who's written quite a good opinion piece about

896
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Speaker 2: smartphones today. He says if he had a teenager, he

897
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Speaker 2: would rather that they were addicted to smoking than to smartphones.

898
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: I know, controversial, but I kind of agree with him.

899
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: The point he makes is a good one. At least

900
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Speaker 2: with smoking you're going outside for a durry. I think

901
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: that's a tongue in cheek part of the article anyway.

902
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: In the UK, five hundred kids a day are referred

903
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Speaker 2: to mental health services for anxiety. Twelve year olds spend

904
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Speaker 2: roughly on average thirty hours a week scrolling. It's almost

905
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Speaker 2: a full time job for them, and in the past

906
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Speaker 2: three years, apparently the likelihood of young people having mental

907
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 2: health problems is up fifty percent. Now, this is something

908
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: I often joke about, but I also kind of mean it.

909
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 2: You know, the bad things that we did when we

910
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 2: were young, you know, like drinking and smoking and I

911
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: don't know, doing things in the back of cars, and

912
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 2: you know, running around town and being causing mischief, ding dong,

913
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Speaker 2: ditching your old neighbor down the road, throwing toilet paper

914
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Speaker 2: at someone's house on Halloween, that kind of stuff. All

915
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Speaker 2: of that stuff, if you think about it, involves two

916
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Speaker 2: important things, socializing in person and usually some sort of

917
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: physical activity. Yes, they were bad things that we learned

918
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Speaker 2: from them, and most of us grew out of them.

919
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: The problem with smartphones is you don't grow out of them.

920
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Speaker 2: They drive kids mental, they keep them mental, and nobody

921
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Speaker 2: does really anything at it or to try and stop it,

922
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Speaker 2: apart from the Australians today. We spend a lot of

923
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Speaker 2: time and eforts stopping kids from drinking and smoking and

924
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Speaker 2: doing bad things, and it is working. They are on

925
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Speaker 2: those fronts at their lowest levels ever. But if it's

926
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Speaker 2: being replaced by screen time, what really is worse? If

927
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Speaker 2: you could have your youth again. Well, you'd probably be

928
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Speaker 2: very well behaved. I know you would. But if you

929
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Speaker 2: had to choose your naughty youth or smartphone addiction, which

930
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Speaker 2: would it actually be Bryan Bridge, five twenty six. I

931
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Speaker 2: think most people would probably be on the former. Now,

932
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Speaker 2: let's go to the Crown Jewels Tower, London in the UK.

933
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Speaker 2: There's a key We cop over there on holiday and

934
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Speaker 2: these protesters throw custard and crumble at the Crown Jewels

935
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Speaker 2: to take.

936
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Speaker 8: Power, join us take.

937
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Speaker 2: So take back power is some sort of let's tax

938
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Speaker 2: the rich group, kind of like the ninety nine percent

939
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Speaker 2: of the one percent in New York City, remember them

940
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Speaker 2: when they used to near Wall Street They would camp

941
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Speaker 2: out there, similar kind of group. Anyway, this Kiwi cop

942
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Speaker 2: just happens to be there when they are trying to

943
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Speaker 2: throw custard and pie at the Crown Jewels and these

944
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Speaker 2: big doors come down, as you can imagine they would

945
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Speaker 2: when the Crown Jewels are being stopped, are being attacked,

946
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Speaker 2: and he's in there and he walks up to them

947
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Speaker 2: and he arrests them, citizens arrest holds them until the

948
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Speaker 2: cops turn up. Cops. Scotland Yard very grateful and thank

949
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Speaker 2: them for his efforts. So there you go. Saved the

950
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Speaker 2: Kiwi cop from wiketto saves the Crown Jewels twenty seven

951
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Speaker 2: after five cow baits on the report and to social

952
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Speaker 2: media for kids.

953
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Speaker 1: Next Hard Questions Strong opinion, Ryan Bridge on hither dup

954
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Speaker 1: Cellen Drive with one New Zealand and the power of

955
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Speaker 1: satellite mobile New Storks end.

956
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Speaker 2: Be twenty five aways from six you're on news talks,

957
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: there'd be just while we're on this song. Either way,

958
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: we'll get to the huddle in just a second. Jordan

959
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: Williams and Jack Thames standing by it. But I walked

960
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 2: up Franklin Road last night. This is the Christmas lights

961
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: in Auckland for those who aren't familiar, and I thought

962
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: they don't look as shiny as last year. Has anyone

963
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 2: noticed that? I don't think as many homes houses are

964
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Speaker 2: doing it, and the ones that are doing it aren't

965
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Speaker 2: quite as flash as they usually are. I don't know.

966
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm getting maybe I'm just my eyesight's bad, or

967
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: I'm getting old and cynical. But it just didn't look

968
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: as jazzy as it did last year, Let's put it

969
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: that way. Did you know? And I would love to

970
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: know from people who do buy Christmas lights? What do

971
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: you do with them once you take them down after Christmas?

972
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: Do you put them in a box and then put

973
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Speaker 2: them into a storage shed? Or do you throw them away?

974
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Speaker 2: And are you being honest with me? Nine nine two

975
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Speaker 2: is the number to text. Apparently the Brits spend four

976
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Speaker 2: billion dollars a year on Christmas decorations and Christmas lights?

977
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Speaker 2: Did that last year? And I mean imagine the power bills.

978
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: You can see London from space out of space. Interesting thing?

979
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Speaker 2: They throw loads of them away after Christmas. So one

980
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty eight million light up electrical items, cheap

981
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 2: items like Christmas lights were put in the bin last year.

982
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 2: That included sixteen million light up or pre lit Christmas trees.

983
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: So what do you do with your lights when you

984
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Speaker 2: finish with them? Do you say them till the year after?

985
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 2: Or do you just throw them away?

986
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Speaker 3: And bread?

987
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Speaker 2: Four minutes away from six we'll get the huddle in

988
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Speaker 2: just a second. First, though, Australia, the under sixteenth ban

989
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: on social media is in today and just this afternoon

990
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Speaker 2: New Zealand's Education and Workforce Committee released an interim report

991
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Speaker 2: on the worrying amount of harm that Young Kiwi's experience online,

992
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: and the majority of MPs are in favor of a

993
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: band like the Aussies, except the Greens and Act. Cal

994
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: Bates's Nationals Committee Acting Chair with us. Good evening, Good evening, Ryan, Well,

995
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: great to be on the show with you, Great to

996
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: have you here. So put this into context for us.

997
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: How bad you've heard, all the evidence, you've spoken to,

998
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: all the experts. How bad is this that the harm

999
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: that's been done to kids? Is it worse if your parents?

1000
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: Should you be more worried about this than you know,

1001
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: vaping or drinking or smoking or anything else? Is this

1002
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: the big worry?

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Speaker 23: Well, I think all of those things should refer to

1004
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 23: things that parents obviously have to be concerned about. The

1005
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 23: harm experienced online by young New Zealanders is really clear

1006
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 23: that it's there, and it's across a range of categories.

1007
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 23: And that's one of the takeaways from this report, Ryan,

1008
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 23: that it's not just about content, but it's also about contact.

1009
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 23: It's about conduct, so things like the intentional use of

1010
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 23: platforms to harm or abuse others, and also the commerce

1011
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 23: harms that not only Young New Zealanders experienced but others

1012
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 23: as well. So it's it is something those parents we

1013
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 23: need to be concerned.

1014
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: About, okay, and how concerned do we need to be?

1015
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: Like are we freaking out about this? Or you know,

1016
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: is this a serious threat to young people and their development?

1017
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Speaker 23: Well instead of freaking out about it, I think this

1018
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 23: is something that parents can be confident. Certainly the National

1019
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 23: Party is concerned about and has put actions on the

1020
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 23: table along with our colleagues and the Labor Party to

1021
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 23: have broad support from Parliament to take actions that will

1022
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 23: address these harms.

1023
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: Can social media giants actually do that? Can they stop this?

1024
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: Can they limit the harm? Or won't they?

1025
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Speaker 23: So there's two things to that. Firstly, the social media

1026
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 23: ban which we're seeing implemented in Australia today. This Select

1027
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 23: Committee said we're going to keep a watching brief on

1028
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 23: that as we go into next year and deliberate on

1029
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Speaker 23: the final report early next year. But it's also about

1030
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Speaker 23: recognizing that that's only one part of a suite of

1031
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 23: changes that we're proposing, either for action on or for

1032
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 23: further consideration that address other parts of the puzzle. And

1033
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Speaker 23: I think often we talk about the social media ban

1034
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 23: as the one thing, and obviously Catherine Wedd's members Bill

1035
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Speaker 23: start that conversation earlier in the year. Here in New

1036
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 23: Zealander is and a really important part of it. But

1037
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Speaker 23: there are other things we need to do here as well,

1038
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Speaker 23: like the introduction of a national regulator for online safety,

1039
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Speaker 23: like looking at legislation like the Films, Videos, Publications Classifications

1040
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 23: Act and whether or not they are appropriate for twenty

1041
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 23: twenty five six.

1042
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: All of this sounds great, but it also sounds like

1043
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: tentering around the edges. Honestly, and if you look at

1044
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 2: Australia already, you've got kids who are getting around the band,

1045
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: so you get the horses bolted. You're not going to

1046
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: stop this.

1047
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 23: You know, there's no intention that a band is going

1048
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 23: to stop every kid from accessing social media immediately.

1049
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: It's like we.

1050
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 23: Still see kids go into shops and buy alcohol. We

1051
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 23: still see kids that shouldn't be driving drive. But it's

1052
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 23: about creating a culture shift. It's about changing the norm.

1053
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 23: And we're going to be able to be a fast

1054
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 23: follower to Australia and follow what they've done, take their

1055
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 23: learnings and apply them here to achieve that culture shift

1056
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Speaker 23: in New Zealand.

1057
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Speaker 2: Carl, there was a server and I've looked at this

1058
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Speaker 2: report and there's one page on parental responsibility, which, for

1059
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: you know, you're a nationally emper I would have thought

1060
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: that would have been a little higher up the pecking order.

1061
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: But here we are on page twenty six of fifty

1062
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Speaker 2: and there's a survey of parents. Ninety three percent were

1063
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: totally unaware or only slightly aware of solutions to minimize

1064
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: online harm to young people. How about don't give them

1065
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: a phone.

1066
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 23: So there's a few things that that then comes in.

1067
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Speaker 23: First of all, the level of responsive parent of responsibility

1068
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 23: that parents should have in protecting their children. That's one

1069
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 23: of the considerations we think you do need to look

1070
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 23: at further. There is the ongoing research we think we

1071
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 23: need in a New Zealand context to support that, and

1072
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Speaker 23: also the role that education plays in a shout out

1073
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Speaker 23: to our Minister of Education for the update to the

1074
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Speaker 23: New Zealand Curriculum that brings in this digital technology component

1075
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Speaker 23: to the changes that are been proposed to the New

1076
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Speaker 23: Zealand Curriculum. So it's not just one part of the

1077
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Speaker 23: puzzle that's going to solve, right, We've got to do

1078
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Speaker 23: a number of things in order to protect our kids

1079
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Speaker 23: online from the online harm that they are experiencing.

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Speaker 2: Cal Bates Committee Chaer. It is nineteen away from six

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Speaker 2: the Taxpayers Union and Jack Tame, host of Q and

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Speaker 2: A on TV and Z and here on News Talks

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Speaker 2: There be as well. Good evening, Hello, you ran. Good

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Speaker 2: to have you on the show. Jordan, I'll start with you.

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Speaker 2: Is any of what you just heard going to do anything.

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Speaker 14: Well?

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Speaker 7: I think that we've got a great test case in

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Speaker 7: Australia that we can take away and see approach. It's

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Speaker 7: been the social media van for the under sixteens has

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Speaker 7: been something that in the Free Speech Union, the board

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Speaker 7: have been staffed, have been pretty actively debating. I'm a

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Speaker 7: free speech absolutist, but I think that reasonal minds can

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Speaker 7: differ on it on the basis that with a human

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Speaker 7: rights are only applicable to adults or applicable to all.

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Speaker 7: I think that there'd be many parents out the year

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Speaker 7: that would generally be pretty supportive of free speech and

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Speaker 7: pretty concerned about government over regulation or regulation of what

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Speaker 7: you post online when you look at the UK, but

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Speaker 7: might well be sympathetic to the arguments that actually social

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Speaker 7: media does a tremendous amount of harm to.

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Speaker 14: Kids.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think Jack, if you was if you

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Speaker 2: were that worried about your kid in social media, you

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Speaker 2: just wouldn't get them a fine, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 12: Ah.

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Speaker 2: I First of all, I totally agree.

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Speaker 12: I'm just one hundred percent on the parents need to

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Speaker 12: step up here as well. Camp that being said, I

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Speaker 12: don't have teenagers yet, so I can imagine that there's

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Speaker 12: going to be a bit more pressure coming down the line.

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Speaker 12: It's all well and good to say parents should be

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Speaker 12: doing more, when you do you don't have the teenagers yet.

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Speaker 12: I think a couple of things. First of all, I

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Speaker 12: don't see why we can't wait six or twelve months

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Speaker 12: and just see how things go in Australia.

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Speaker 14: Like yep.

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Speaker 12: If you want to be a fast follower, absolutely, but

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Speaker 12: let's make sure we see what works and what doesn't

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Speaker 12: in Australia before for we leap to some conclusion. Second

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Speaker 12: of all, if you think that regulating the social media

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Speaker 12: giants and the digital giants is important, might I suggest

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Speaker 12: that taxing them properly could be very high up on

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Speaker 12: the list of things we need to be doing. And

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Speaker 12: third of all, I'm actually very closely aligned with Jordan

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Speaker 12: when it comes to free speech, and I do think

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Speaker 12: there are some pretty big free speech questions here that

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Speaker 12: in my mind at least aren't yet resolved. So you know,

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Speaker 12: I'm not convinced that necessarily an outright ban is going

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Speaker 12: to achieve what we want it to achieve, but I'm

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Speaker 12: open minded at this stage. Wait and see how things

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Speaker 12: go in Australia. See if alternative social media platforms pop

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Speaker 12: up for the kids and I reckon it six or

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Speaker 12: twelve months, we make a call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listening to that interview with have you interviewed Carl before, Jack,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you have. I hadn't interviewed him before, but

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Speaker 2: I might have.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot of learnings, a lot of

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Speaker 2: waffle talk. It well lost me a little bit. I'm

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Speaker 2: not a fan of it.

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Speaker 12: I'm not a fan of the of the term learnings.

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Speaker 9: I'm certainly not a fan of the term learnings.

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Speaker 12: I much prefer that the old fashioned lesson. That being said,

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Speaker 12: if the principal is taking some lessons from Australia and

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Speaker 12: learning from their experience.

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Speaker 2: Then I'm very much.

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Speaker 18: Ye.

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Speaker 7: We does an interview with it. We sit down with

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Speaker 7: new MPs at the beginning of each new parliament for

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Speaker 7: our podcast for MP's and depths, and he was actually

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Speaker 7: one of the ones that has had a surprising business background.

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Speaker 7: But as obviously as a backbench MP seldom gets into

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Speaker 7: the media, I'd give him a chance, right, Okay.

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Speaker 2: All right, he did agree. Do you know what it is?

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Speaker 2: He's been sitting in a select committee for too long

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Speaker 2: and now he's been writing a select committee report and

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Speaker 2: he sounds like a select committee. I think that might

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Speaker 2: be a problem, hanging around with too many bureaucraps exactly.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Williams and Jack Tame back on the huddle in

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Speaker 2: just a sec.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only truly.

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Speaker 2: Global brand, thirteen minutes away from six on News talks

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Speaker 2: the b Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers Union, Jack Tame.

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Speaker 2: You know Jack, he's here as well. So the debate

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Speaker 2: between Nicola and Ruth. Jack, why do you think Nichol

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Speaker 2: I understand why Ruth Richardson has agreed to do it,

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Speaker 2: but why would Nicola even suggest doing something like that,

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Speaker 2: do you reckon? Well, but we'll go to Jordan. Jordan,

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Speaker 2: what do you think the motive is for Nicola Willis?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that the facts aren't on Nichola Willis's side.

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Speaker 7: You know, she promised to cut spending.

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Speaker 2: She's increased it.

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Speaker 7: She promised to reduce borrowing, but depending on how you measure,

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Speaker 7: it's either about the same or it's actually at borrowing

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Speaker 7: at a faster rate. And she keeps kicking back the

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Speaker 7: surplus into touch and our treasury are getting concerned that

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Speaker 7: the fiscal deficits even larger. So what she's doing is

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Speaker 7: doing what Grant Robinson would do, really and reaching to

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Speaker 7: a sort of nineteen nineties far left sort of caricature

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Speaker 7: of what Ruth did to get the books back into shape,

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Speaker 7: rather than actually debate the facts. There's a bit of

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Speaker 7: funny business going on now. We have expressed publicly, you know,

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Speaker 7: Nicola Wallis said yesterday or debate you anywhere, any time,

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Speaker 7: and we've said great. Well, we've had offers from newstalk's

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Speaker 7: 'b to debate next Thursday, after the opening of the books.

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Speaker 7: That's our preference. But now there's all sorts of things

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Speaker 7: about oh, well, no, we want to do next year

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Speaker 7: with perhaps TVNZ or the spin off which is a

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Speaker 7: taxpayer fundedlistical website. But no, let's debate the books. Is

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Speaker 7: an opening of the books next week. Rumor around town

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Speaker 7: is that Nikola Willis is going to kick the surplus

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Speaker 7: down yet another year. So when she got elected, the

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Speaker 7: surplus was four years away, it's still four years away,

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Speaker 7: and next week it's probably five years away. Well that's

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Speaker 7: what we should be debating. But I mean, from our perspective,

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Speaker 7: the purpose of our campaign that's launching tomorrow is to

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Speaker 7: inject the fiscal truths. You know that the elephants in

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Speaker 7: the room. While there's be lots of talk of astereoity

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Speaker 7: and cutting back, in fact, again, as Trusury pointed out,

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Speaker 7: the only savings that Nicola will Us has made have

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Speaker 7: actually just been deployed elsewhere, and overall the spending is

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Speaker 7: up and the fiscal position is worse. And look, as

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Speaker 7: much as the National Party might be upset with us

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Speaker 7: pointing it out, that's not what the platform was well,

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Speaker 7: and what National Party.

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Speaker 2: Is not what was on the packer, not what was

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Speaker 2: written on the packer. Jack, I understand you're back with

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Speaker 2: this now. Nice to have you here.

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Speaker 12: Maybe what happens when you when you turn the mute

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Speaker 12: button off again?

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Speaker 9: Hey?

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Speaker 7: How you go able to communicate one?

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Speaker 2: It's an incredible feature. Hey, I think that that this

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Speaker 2: is interesting the Nicola Willis think because it's like, you

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Speaker 2: know that the ministers don't normally like to debate well anyone,

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Speaker 2: unless they absolutely have to do in an election year.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, why would you do this? Do you

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Speaker 2: think there's something about do you think she accidentally said,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, I should debate her? Or do you think

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Speaker 2: this was tactical? And do you think having a debate

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Speaker 2: between the right and the further right is actually quite

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Speaker 2: a good way to frame right?

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Speaker 14: Come on?

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Speaker 2: But a good way to frame a debate heading into

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Speaker 2: an election year.

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Speaker 12: Well, so, first of all, I don't think it was

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Speaker 12: a mistake. I think if it were a mistake, then

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Speaker 12: maybe agreeing would be one thing. But the fact that

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Speaker 12: she said anywhere anytime, I.

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Speaker 7: Think Nicola Willis, we can all agree.

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Speaker 12: Is probably smart enough that she wouldn't have said those

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Speaker 12: words unless she actually meant them. Now, whether or not

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Speaker 12: she actually follows through, I guess we'll find that next

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Speaker 12: Thursday afternoon.

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Speaker 14: We called it last she didn't see us.

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Speaker 12: Okay, okay, ok Let's give her the benefit of a

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Speaker 12: doubt on that front, just for the sake of argument.

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Speaker 5: Then I would say.

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Speaker 12: From her perspective, and look at the today's poll, the

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Speaker 12: Taxi Curier poll today, Taxi and Curia Pole today. Nikola

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Speaker 12: Willis is concerned about centrist voters right, and she used

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Speaker 12: to think about her support this in the so called

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Speaker 12: political center. Maybe she thinks that actually a debate with

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Speaker 12: Ruth Richardson isn't going to cost her massive numbers of

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Speaker 12: centrist voters, even if she ends up losing that debate

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Speaker 12: or is perceived to have losed that debate. Maybe that

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Speaker 12: is the kind of the political equation in her head

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Speaker 12: right now. I also wonder if she's just if she's

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Speaker 12: just an insensitive about about being tech bo.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the former Jack. I think it's the former.

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Speaker 2: I think this is that there is no better opportunity

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Speaker 2: for her to make one to make her self look

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Speaker 2: centrist and to make that you know, say, actually, I

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Speaker 2: am spending quite a bit so those attacks from the

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Speaker 2: left won't stick. But also heading into an election year

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Speaker 2: and before her budget next May, saying, look how crazy

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Speaker 2: labor looks. Now, you know we're having this debate about

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Speaker 2: how much we should be cutting and look how much

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Speaker 2: they want to spend Jordan.

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Speaker 12: Can I just have one thing and not to do

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Speaker 12: Jordan's job for him? But but I mean, we'll wait

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Speaker 12: and see whether a lot of services and pushed back

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Speaker 12: another year. But let us not also forget that Nicola

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Speaker 12: Willis changed the accounting measure. So we had obergal this

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Speaker 12: is how we.

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Speaker 5: Measured that, the surpluses and deficit.

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Speaker 2: She pushed it.

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Speaker 12: She changed it to obergall X, which makes it easier

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Speaker 12: to get to a surplus and still have had to

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Speaker 12: push that SURPA back.

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Speaker 7: On the traditional measure, there's never a surplus and that's

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Speaker 7: not again it's not that's not what we voted for it.

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Speaker 7: So it's two things on that I mean, on the

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Speaker 7: centrist fida. The problem in the ironic situation is the

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Speaker 7: government is taking political heat to perceived austerity because that's

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Speaker 7: what you read about, you know, in the media and

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Speaker 7: you see in her talking heads. But they're not getting

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Speaker 7: the political upside of fixing the economy by getting the

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Speaker 7: boot of big government off the neck of the economy.

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Speaker 7: The second is that Tomorrow's campaign is actually quite funny.

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Speaker 7: It's it's a classic taxpayers union pain and cheek campaign

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Speaker 7: with a point underneath us that the thing that we

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Speaker 7: find incredible is as a result of a single piece

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Speaker 7: from Matthew Houton, Nichola Willis has reacted and turned Tomorrow's

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Speaker 7: campaign into something absolutely enormous, which she probably could have

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Speaker 7: laughed it off if she if she had not engaged.

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Speaker 7: But great for us and great actually for taxpayers because

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Speaker 7: of injects. You know, the objective's campaign was to inject

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Speaker 7: the fiscal truth and point out the elephants in the

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Speaker 7: room and educate the public about what Treasury is saying,

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Speaker 7: of how bad the situation is, and that with the

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Speaker 7: greatest respect to Nicola, she's not as you say, She's

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Speaker 7: not done what it says on the.

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Speaker 2: Packer and we will get a debate out of all

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Speaker 2: of this too. Jordan, Thank you for that, Jordan Williams

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Speaker 2: and the taxpayers and injectame from Q and A. It's

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Speaker 2: six away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: News Talk ZB. It is four minutes away from six

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Speaker 2: after six. We talked to VIVBT from hard in the

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Speaker 2: City in Auckland on the Queen Street car ban reversal,

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Speaker 2: but only during limited hours. She'll explain that to us.

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Speaker 2: I was driving to the visio this morning and there's

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Speaker 2: a T two lane on the on the left hand

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Speaker 2: side and then my lane, My lane is completely choker

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Speaker 2: all the way to the motorway. Everyone's sitting there waiting

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Speaker 2: T two lane empty. This is not peak time and

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Speaker 2: I think they've got to change the rules on the

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Speaker 2: T twos. Apparently there may actually be some exemptions, but

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Speaker 2: who can read the signage that's the problem. Anyway, back

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Speaker 2: on Queen Street and the cars.

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Speaker 24: Next keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: The business hour with Ryan Bridge and Mare's Motor Vehicle Insurance.

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Speaker 3: Your futures in good hands.

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Speaker 2: News talk Z be good evening at seven after sixth

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Speaker 2: grade to have your company to nights lots to come

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Speaker 2: inside the next half an hour. We'll speak to Michael

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Speaker 2: Luke from Milford for an update on the markets. Gavin

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Speaker 2: Grains in the UK for us before seven tonight. And

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Speaker 2: if you've got kids and you're traveling to Australia this summer,

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Speaker 2: have you ever considered whether they will be allowed to

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Speaker 2: go on social media?

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Speaker 20: There?

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Speaker 2: Are they going to be a ris did at the

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Speaker 2: border if they try to get on Facebook or on TikTok.

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Speaker 2: We'll ask that question and answer it inside the next

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Speaker 2: half hour. First, Auckland Transport wants to let Every time

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Speaker 2: I start that sentence, you roll your eyes. But this

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Speaker 2: one actually seems to be a reasonable decision. All Can

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Speaker 2: Transport wants to let cars back into more of Queen

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Speaker 2: Street in central Auckland. Private vehicles were given the boot,

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Speaker 2: as you know, of the section of Queen Street between

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Speaker 2: Wellesley and Wakefield Street back in twenty twenty two, but

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Speaker 2: at has now proposed to the White Mastar Local Board

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Speaker 2: that general traffic traffic should be allowed in that section

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Speaker 2: between seven pm and seven am, basically overnight. The beck

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Speaker 2: CEO heart of the city with me now, haveviv hello thoughts.

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Speaker 22: Our common sense? I mean, we've had a nighttime entertainment

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Speaker 22: area that you couldn't get a cab or ride chair.

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Speaker 22: You couldn't drop your elderly parents or grandparents in there.

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Speaker 22: This will open up. It's a sensible multi modal act

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Speaker 22: we're looking for.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's sensible. Do you think it's had,

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Speaker 2: like seriously, had a legitimate impact on nightlife in Auckland

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Speaker 2: and safety.

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Speaker 22: Well, it has had a negative economic impact. We know

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Speaker 22: they've collected I well, it's an excess now of twenty

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Speaker 22: million dollars in fines. And when they came to talk

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Speaker 22: to us about it not too long ago, they said

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Speaker 22: it had been tremendously successful. And I said what by

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Speaker 22: what measure? And they said, because we're getting fewer fines,

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Speaker 22: I more cars out And I said yes. But last

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Speaker 22: year the foot traffic was down thirty six percent on

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Speaker 22: twenty nineteen in that area, and the spending was down

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Speaker 22: fifty seven percent. So the reality is it hasn't been

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Speaker 22: flooded with people and spending. I mean, in an ideal world,

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Speaker 22: if you had millions of people, you can understand the

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Speaker 22: logic potentially, But a lot of these things have plat

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Speaker 22: been done before we've had enough people. So it's common

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Speaker 22: sense people are looking for our recent business server seventy

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Speaker 22: nine percent of respondents in that Queen Street Valley area

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Speaker 22: did not agree with eighty finding people one hundred and

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Speaker 22: fifty dollars for entering that area. It was really confusing

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Speaker 22: and it put people off coming here. We know that

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Speaker 22: because our research tells us constantly people have been frustrated

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Speaker 22: and have found it too hard to come here at

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Speaker 22: a time we really need to welcome them back with

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Speaker 22: open arms.

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Speaker 2: Not fine, So why now? Why have they had this

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Speaker 2: come to Jesus' moment? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

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Speaker 22: Because the buses are coming out, so that we few about.

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Speaker 22: Their logic was that we had so many buses in

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Speaker 22: there that you needed to get.

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Speaker 2: The cars out.

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Speaker 22: And now some of the buses are going back into

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Speaker 22: Albert Street, so that there's changes and sort of what's

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Speaker 22: going where. So what they're saying is at at night time,

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Speaker 22: the ability for people to get through there and access

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Speaker 22: that area I think makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Just common sense, common sense, common sense, not very common

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Speaker 2: What about Great Auckland they've had out of the thing.

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Speaker 2: The change is bad, they say, there's lots of support

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Speaker 2: for pedestrianizing Queen Street and the already pedestrianized bits are

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Speaker 2: getting better foot traffic. Is that well one? Is that true?

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Speaker 22: And to your react, well, we know we need the

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Speaker 22: equivalent of about Coldplay concert a day to get back

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Speaker 22: overall to the foot traffic we used to have we're

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Speaker 22: not averse to the vision, but the execution has been lousy,

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Speaker 22: and it's been planned on cities with millions of people.

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Speaker 9: So if you think about we know we're not.

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Speaker 22: London or Manhattan, who had about eighty five percent of

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Speaker 22: the people already there before they started doing this sort

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Speaker 22: of thing. Now, whether it was because they have got

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Speaker 22: great public transport or because they lived there, the point

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Speaker 22: is some of these things have been done before we

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Speaker 22: had enough people. That's the issue, that's what you know.

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Speaker 22: So we're not saying, of course people like people friendly places,

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Speaker 22: but we're also saying you need to have different modes cohabitating.

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Speaker 22: You go to christ Church, they've done a really good

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Speaker 22: job of that. I had a rental car there recently.

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Speaker 22: I could get very close to their people friendly spaces

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Speaker 22: without being fined, without feeling unwelcome. I could part close.

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Speaker 3: You know, other cities.

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Speaker 22: I've been to, they just don't seem to be so obsessed.

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Speaker 2: With making melite difficult.

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Speaker 22: For years, and we've got to just be able to

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Speaker 22: cohabitate comfortably with different modes and by all means. As

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Speaker 22: we get more people back through public transport, which we

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Speaker 22: support and other modes, you start looking at things. Then

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Speaker 22: you don't do it while we're really down on people.

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Speaker 2: Vive appreciate your time. They've beg heart of the city's CEO.

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Speaker 2: It is eleven minutes after.

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Speaker 3: Six Ryan Bridge fascists.

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Speaker 2: Is what this text calls them. Just make it twenty

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Speaker 2: four to seven your fascists. And that might be a

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Speaker 2: little a step of too far. However, I do think

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Speaker 2: there's some merit and what's talking about. And I also

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Speaker 2: don't understand have never understood the argument from and Cooe

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Speaker 2: Swarbrick talks about it. There's obviously this transport group is

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Speaker 2: talking about it. I'm not sure who they are. But

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Speaker 2: why would you if you okay, you're a pedestrian, you'd

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Speaker 2: really like walking down the street. Cool, Why do you

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Speaker 2: need the whole street to be pedestrianized?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 2: There is a big there's a massive footpath, half of

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Speaker 2: it's not used. I don't understand. Why do you insist

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Speaker 2: that the whole road has to be a walkway, has

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Speaker 2: to be a footpath? Can you someone please please explain

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Speaker 2: that to me? I don't get it. Nine two ninety

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Speaker 2: two is numbered text just on the phones very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever asked the question thought about because they've

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Speaker 2: got the social media band coming in in Australia today.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to Australia this summer holidays, or maybe

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Speaker 2: you're going next winter with your kids, are they going

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Speaker 2: to be allowed on TikTok, on Instagram or on Facebook

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Speaker 2: when they enter the country. We've done some digging on

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Speaker 2: this for you and it looks like yes. Under sixteen's

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Speaker 2: who are only in the country for a short period

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Speaker 2: of time I year, a couple of weeks, they will

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Speaker 2: not have their accounts blocked because it's up to the

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Speaker 2: social media giants to block. But if you're in Australia

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Speaker 2: for an extended period like three months or longer, the

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Speaker 2: same age assurance measures is what they're calling them, ieu'

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Speaker 2: be booted off TikTok would start to apply. Or you

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Speaker 2: might just tell your teens that social media is banned

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Speaker 2: in Australia and they have to unplug them while they're

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Speaker 2: on holiday. In fact, you have to leave your home

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Speaker 2: phone at home or you'll be arrested at the border.

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Speaker 2: That would be the way I go about it. I

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Speaker 2: was talking to a friend of mine today and he's

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Speaker 2: going to Northland with his kids this Christmas and they

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Speaker 2: do it every year, go for a summer break at

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Speaker 2: a camping ground. It's an ewe own campground, and he said,

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Speaker 2: fantastic idea. What they all the parents at the campground

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Speaker 2: are in cahots and there's no cell phones, there's no smartphones,

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Speaker 2: there's no devices actually at all, and so all the

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Speaker 2: kids know that no one else is playing with them,

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Speaker 2: so no one feels left out. And for the whole

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Speaker 2: week that they're there, they are either fishing, running around,

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Speaker 2: playing rugby, whatever, and no one asks for a phone

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Speaker 2: the entire week. And I thought that was a pretty

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Speaker 2: good way to do it. That is good parenting.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio empowered by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: EBB, News Talks CB. It is seventeen minutes after six.

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Speaker 2: Ryan is someone who is from out of Auckland. My

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Speaker 2: GPS took me straight through the restricted zone at two

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Speaker 2: in the morning on Queen Street one hundred and fifty dollars. Fine, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: sixty years ago you used to stand on the footpath

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Speaker 2: of Queen Street and be amazed, and now I hate it,

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Speaker 2: says another and this one from one of our listeners,

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Speaker 2: fashioning a city on old age cities based in Europe

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Speaker 2: where public transport is extremely efficient, makes no sense. And

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Speaker 2: don't get me started on those cycle ways. Seventeen minutes

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Speaker 2: after six on news Talk ZB, let's get to markets now,

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Speaker 2: Michael Luke from Milford is with us. Hello, good, So

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Speaker 2: retail companies tell us about them that, I mean, we

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Speaker 2: all know they've been struggling with the economy the way

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Speaker 2: it is. What have you seen out there?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, look, I think it's fair to say a lot

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Speaker 11: of our retailers, including the listed ones like the Warehouse

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Speaker 11: and camp min dev have been hit pretty hard over

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Speaker 11: the last few years with the weak economy. Retailers that

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Speaker 11: they've got very large kind of fixed cost bass from

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Speaker 11: operating these stores, for example, rent, utilities, staffing, that's all fixed.

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Speaker 11: So lower sales through the door can have a very large,

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Speaker 11: kind of outsized impact on innings. And that's evidence with

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Speaker 11: the Warehouse Group, who did over three billion dollars of

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Speaker 11: sales last year but actually lost five million dollars of profit. Now,

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Speaker 11: recent trading updates we've seen suggests that the retail environment

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Speaker 11: still remains challenging. A couple of weeks ago, the Warehouse

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Speaker 11: reported their first quarter of sales, revenue was up about

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Speaker 11: one percent. Within that volume of units sold was actually

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Speaker 11: up nearly three percent, but prices were down with promotional activity.

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Speaker 11: We also had Hellenstein's. They had their AGM today which

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Speaker 11: highlighted an impressive fourteen percent sales growth for the past

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Speaker 11: eighteen weeks, but that was led by Australia and they

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Speaker 11: called out that trading in New Zealand And still remains

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Speaker 11: very challenging, although it was ahead of last year. Now,

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Speaker 11: December is a very large month for retailers given Christmas

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Speaker 11: and Boxing Day sales, so I'm sure retailers will be

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Speaker 11: certainly hoping for an improvement compared to last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they absolutely will be. How will company, you know,

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Speaker 2: our kas come on the scene the big opening, everyone's

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Speaker 2: talking about it. How do you think that companies like

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Speaker 2: the Warehouse are going to fear Yeah, we think it.

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Speaker 11: Will definitely add more competitive pressure to those retailers selling

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Speaker 11: Simimer products, which does include companies like the Warehouse or

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Speaker 11: came out in the area. Ikea has a pretty broad

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Speaker 11: range of products, so they could win some sales off

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Speaker 11: for a number of different companies, including areas like kit

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Speaker 11: set kitchens where they could win some shares off for

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Speaker 11: l like of Bunnings et cetera. That Ikea store had

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Speaker 11: been long awaited by consumers, and it looks like the

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Speaker 11: opening has gone pretty well, like we saw off the

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Speaker 11: opening of Costco a few years ago. Now some companies

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Speaker 11: have actually benefited though, like nin for It, who helps

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Speaker 11: off the logistics, and the Ikea store will bring a

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Speaker 11: lot more people to stores in the area like Sylvia Park,

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Speaker 11: so some of those stores will benefit as well.

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Speaker 2: Let's look ahead, what twenty twenty six better year for retailers?

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01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 2: Do we think better? Yet for the economy more generally, we.

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Speaker 11: Think so well, it's been a pretty tough few years.

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Speaker 11: We do think the New Zealand economy is likely bottomed

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01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 11: and we are expecting a gradual recovery next year. Now

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Speaker 11: we expect that's going to be driven by the large

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Speaker 11: reduction and interest rates which is flowing through to mortgage holders,

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Speaker 11: businesses and boosted confidence, and we have seen that in

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Speaker 11: some of the recent data. Now in November consumer confidence

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Speaker 11: surveys showed they actually lifted to the highest level since June.

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01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 11: So confidence is starting to improve and we're actually starting

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01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 11: to see that a little bit in some of the

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01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 11: spending data such as am Z car data for November

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01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 11: which showed that spending was up four percent compared to

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Speaker 11: last year. Now, given those fixed costs with those retail

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Speaker 11: stores are small, improvement in sales will definitely help the

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Speaker 11: bottom line next year. So yeah, certainly hoping for a

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01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 11: better bitter Yer Nix here, And we do think that

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Speaker 11: regardless of the broad economic backdrop, there will be retailers

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Speaker 11: with a compelling consumer proposition like the ias that will

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01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 11: continue to do well.

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Speaker 2: Michael, appreciate that update. Michael Luke Milford with US tonight

1549
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 2: twenty one minutes after six. If you like reality television

1550
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 2: and don't lie to me, I know you secretly do

1551
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 2: like some form of reality television. Guess what's coming to

1552
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,560
Speaker 2: reality TV AI that story next.

1553
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour

1554
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 1: with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor Vehicle Insurance.

1555
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 3: Your futures in good hands US talks.

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01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 2: That'd be six twenty three on your Wednesday evening. So

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01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 2: many people reminiscing about how good Queen Street used to

1558
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 2: be in Auckland. You wouldn't know it today, would you?

1559
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 2: When you well, actually no, I have to say it's

1560
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 2: it's come a long way from where it was sort

1561
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 2: of in the post COVID depth of despair. It has

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01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 2: come a long way, and especially just in the last

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01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 2: couple of months when I've been down there, I've noticed

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01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 2: things have picked up a bit and people are a

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01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 2: bit friendlier and there's a little less kind of know

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01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 2: that going on. Although the other day a friend of

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01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 2: mine had his cell phone pulled from his ear as

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01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: he was talking to his partner on the phone by

1569
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 2: this guy who was completely off his nut and threw

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Speaker 2: his phone onto the ground. Girlfriend was very upset on

1571
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: the phone, as you can imagine, because she didn't know

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01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 2: what was going on anyway. So there's still that kind

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01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,759
Speaker 2: of stuff happening, but it is getting a bit better

1574
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 2: and people are just saying sixty years ago, Queen Street

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01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 2: was the pride of New Zealand.

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01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: There's no business like show business.

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Speaker 2: Shown this evening, the world's first all AI reality TV

1578
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: show has launched. And yes, you're asking, how can it

1579
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 2: be reality TV and at the same time completely AI generated.

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01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't get it either. However, the

1581
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 2: series is called Non Player Combat. It's been compared to

1582
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 2: a mix of Hunger Games, Traitors, and I'm a celebrity,

1583
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:57,719
Speaker 2: Get me out of here. If you've seen that show,

1584
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 2: Essentially AI generated contestants fight each other to death, but

1585
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 2: all the contestants are virtual, and the whole thing is

1586
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 2: set in a virtual environment.

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01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 3: This is the horshous location possible. We've got snow, sand, jungles,

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01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 3: you name it.

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01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 10: Everybody hears about as deadly as they come.

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01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 2: Each contestant has been programmed with their own human backstory.

1591
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 2: Think past lovers, personal tragedies, favorite foods, all that sort

1592
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 2: of stuff. The makers are hoping this will make you

1593
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 2: fall in love with these entirely AI generated non humans.

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01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 6: Do you even know how many of us are left?

1595
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,480
Speaker 13: There's no backup nor rescue team.

1596
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 3: We're all going to die out here.

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Speaker 2: First two episodes are on YouTube. The first episode has

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01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 2: been seen by six thousand people. So is that good?

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01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 2: Is that not good? I don't really know. The Telegraph

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01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 2: has given it zero out of five stars, saying to

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01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 2: call it slop is an insult to slop, which is

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01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 2: quite good. The show is the brainchild of Tom Patten,

1603
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,759
Speaker 2: who reckons young audiences are ready for a completely computer

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01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 2: generated reality show. He reckons younger audiences are fine with

1605
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 2: characters not being real. The question is do you actually

1606
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 2: care that it's AI If you're entertained, that's all it counts.

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01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 2: I know what sort of world do we live in?

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01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 2: Then that's the sentiment. Who cares? It's just you know,

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01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 2: as long as you just slightly mildly entertained. I find

1610
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 2: it hard. I've always done it hard with sci fi movies.

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01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 2: My partner loves them. I've always found it hard to

1612
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 2: get into them because it's not real. It's not realistic.

1613
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 2: I when something bad happens, I'm like, well, it's fake.

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01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 2: So who cares?

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01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 10: You know?

1616
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 2: I think I would have that problem with AI generated

1617
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 2: reality TV or just AI generated anything. You're on News

1618
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,839
Speaker 2: Talk ZB to Training from the Hill with us shortly

1619
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 2: and we're in the UK with Gavin Gray all ahead.

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01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1621
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:18,560
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor Vehicle Insurance,

1622
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 1: Your Futures in Good Hands, Used Talks MBS.

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01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 2: Twenty five seven News Talks MB Ryan Helenstein's we were

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01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 2: just talking about the state of retail and also Queen

1625
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 2: Street because they're going to allow cars back into bits

1626
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 2: of Queen Street they were banned from had been banned

1627
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 2: from for a couple of years now at nighttime only,

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01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 2: so you won't get you one hundred and fifty dollars

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01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 2: fine anyway, retail More generally, we've had lots of texts

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Speaker 2: on this. Steven has taxed the show and says Ryan

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01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 2: helen Stein's would do a lot better if all of

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01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 2: their clothes were not for jockeys. If you're six foot

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01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 2: and ninety five kilos, you can't buy a shirt or

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01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 2: a suit in this country. Anything over one hundred kilos

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01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 2: out of luck. Stephen, Can I.

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01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 9: Wonder why you've read this particular text out.

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01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 2: Right, well, because I'm a tall bugger as well, and

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01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 2: I understand the pain. Stephen. By the way you've signed

1639
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 2: your email stupid, Stephen, I think you meant to put

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01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 2: a full stop between stupid and Stephen. I think you mean.

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01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 2: I think that you mean helen Stein's is stupid, not stupid, Stephen. Anyway, Stephen,

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01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 2: can I recommend to you a store called Rembrandt if

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01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 2: you're looking for a suit. They are They're really good

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01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 2: quality and I'm not being paid. They're really good quality,

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01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 2: and they do a tall fit and it's one of

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01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 2: the few places in New Zealand. I've come across that

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01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: does a tall fit for tall people, for tall men,

1648
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 2: and they are just it's a it's like a whole

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01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 2: new world out there, Stephen, because the other ones are

1650
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: like little crop tops, you know that show your midriff

1651
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 2: like you're in the spice girls. Absolutely, they look ridiculous

1652
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 2: on you. I feel the pain, Steven.

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Speaker 9: So gosh, it's a hard life, isn't it. Ryan. People

1654
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 9: are always asking you to get things off high shelves

1655
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 9: as well, and.

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01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 2: They are annoying little people. Just leave me alone, get

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01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 2: your own stuff.

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01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 9: Oh the is that are up there as well. You're

1659
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 9: harder to breathe exactly.

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Speaker 2: The only benefit is that it's hard to hear you

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01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 2: down there, you tiny people. Anyway, twenty three minutes away

1662
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 2: from seven Bridge, let's go to jene Tip Training. Media

1663
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 2: got their first chance to check out the new Reserve

1664
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 2: Bank governor. This morning. Arna Breman is her name hosted

1665
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 2: a breakfast event for journalists and Janet was there. Janay,

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Speaker 2: good evening. Hey, Ryan, So what was it like? What

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01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 2: was she like?

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Speaker 25: Well, she's a serious operator from the Central Bank in Sweden.

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Speaker 25: The thing we were all really interested in today was

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Speaker 25: whether she would try to talk down the market so

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01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 25: people might be aware that wholesale interest rates have been

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Speaker 25: rising quite dramatically over the past fortnight since the Reserve

1673
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:10,560
Speaker 25: Bank cut the OCR, and this prompted Westpac yesterday to

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Speaker 25: announce that it was actually increasing some of its longer

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01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 25: term mortgage and term deposit rates. So today I went

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01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 25: along to the breakfast thinking it'd be lovely to meet

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01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 25: the new governor. But really what I really wanted to

1678
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 25: know was was she okay with the way the market

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01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 25: was going or would she try to talk it down?

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Speaker 25: And she didn't try to talk it down. She's only

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01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 25: been in the job for ten days, but she did

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Speaker 25: not try to change the trajectory of those wholesale interest rates.

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Speaker 2: She did say anything, you know, all options are still

1684
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 2: always on the table, though, is that not going far enough?

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Speaker 2: You don't think no.

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Speaker 25: So the market didn't really respond to her comments. So

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01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 25: what she said was fairly safe in the sense that

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01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 25: she said that, you know, she was aware that financial

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Speaker 25: conditions were tightening, and she'd keep an eye on the

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01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 25: data as it comes in. So it's quite a long

1691
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 25: gap between now and when the Reserve Bank next reviews

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Speaker 25: the OCR. That'll be only on February eighteen, so she

1693
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 25: did have an opportunity to talk it down. But you know,

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Speaker 25: I've just talked with a few people about this, and

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01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 25: you know, we're thinking, on the one hand, it would

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01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 25: be out of place perhaps if she did swoop on

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01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 25: in and talk the market around, especially because these days

1698
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,759
Speaker 25: it's a committee that sets the ocr that sets monetary policy,

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Speaker 25: it's not just the governor. So she said she hadn't

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Speaker 25: even had a chance to meet all her fellow Monetary

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Speaker 25: Policy Committee members, so maybe it would have been out

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Speaker 25: of hand if she came in and took the market down.

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01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 25: On the other hand, the economy still needs support, according

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01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 25: to most commentators, so by having these mortgage rates go up,

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01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 25: that really potentially does slow our economic recovery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't yet. No, definitely not a great headline,

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01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 2: is it the Minister of Finance. But I wonder whether

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01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 2: because yeah, you just come in, but also with the

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01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 2: market reaction, even if she had said something which people

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01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 2: might have got, oh she's talking it down. She is,

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Speaker 2: as you say, only one on the committee, right, so

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01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 2: she gets one vote just like the rest of them.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, exactly. So you know, back in the day, the

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01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 25: governor had all the power and that's not the case now.

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Speaker 25: So perhaps it's it is understandable, you know, but other

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01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 25: commentators are quite worried about where things are going. West

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01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 25: Pack is the only bank to have moved, but all

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01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 25: the banks deal in the same wholesale markets, so the

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01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 25: funding pressures that west Pack is under, the other banks

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Speaker 25: are under as well. The interesting thing now to look

1721
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 25: at is to see, you know, which bank is next,

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Speaker 25: and whether there is some competitive tension. No doubt, the

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Speaker 25: marketing departments at the banks are talking to the you know,

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Speaker 25: financial nerds at the bank's trying to figure out, you know,

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Speaker 25: when might be the best time to announce their mortgage

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Speaker 25: rate hikes. It's not exactly a great headline, No it's not.

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Speaker 2: And as I said, specially if your Nickela, and she's

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Speaker 2: out there saying basically shop around, and I mean, you've

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Speaker 2: got to hope that the banks don't all put their

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Speaker 2: rates up, because then you're shopping around for the same rate.

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Speaker 25: Well, you know, that's the thing. So these the wholesale rates,

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Speaker 25: which are the ones that largely affect the longer term

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Speaker 25: mortgage and term deposit rates, they're now about fifty basis

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Speaker 25: points higher than before the OCR cut. So the Reserve

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Speaker 25: Bank cut by twenty five points and the rates are

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Speaker 25: now about fifty points higher than before the cut. So

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Speaker 25: it's not only unwound the effect of the OCR cut,

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Speaker 25: but it's gone even further and that's in the wholesale

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Speaker 25: markets which affect those those longer term rates. So yes,

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Speaker 25: old Nichola Willis and Christopher Luxen, who have been rarely

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Speaker 25: milking the whole interest rate cut situation and claiming, you know,

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Speaker 25: claiming it as a victory for themselves slightly wrongly. You know,

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Speaker 25: it's a debateable issue, but they're in a bit of

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01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 25: a tight spot now with the rates going up and

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Speaker 25: definitely the last thing they need.

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Speaker 2: Janet appreciate your time this evening and your analysis is

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Speaker 2: always Genated Trainey Herald's Wellington Business editor, who was at

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Speaker 2: the media only breakfast this morning with the new Zoo

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Speaker 2: Bank governor Arna Brennan. You're on News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Heb approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on the Business Hour with MAS Motor

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Speaker 1: Vehicle Insurance.

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Speaker 3: Your futures in good hands News Talks.

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Speaker 2: EDB sixteen minutes away from seven News Talks edb Rhyan.

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Speaker 2: I'm with bn Z for my mortgage. I just fixed

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Speaker 2: one month ago and I called into the bank. Took

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Speaker 2: an hour because they said everyone's been calling in to

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Speaker 2: fix for longer terms given the news and the media

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Speaker 2: at the moment, which is exactly what I said this

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Speaker 2: afternoon to Laura. I said that people are going to

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Speaker 2: be going, oh, now we better get in there because

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Speaker 2: at the rates are going up that we need to fix. Now.

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Speaker 2: This listener says, I fixed for three years, no penalty

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Speaker 2: fees because the rate I fixed for had not moved

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Speaker 2: in the last month, so they did allow you to

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Speaker 2: kind of make an adjustment, which is quite good from

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Speaker 2: being Z. Thanks for you text. It is quarter to seven,

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Speaker 2: Brian Bridge. Go to Gavin Gray are UK europe correspondent,

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Speaker 2: Gavin good evening, Good morning to you. Good evening.

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Speaker 3: They're ron.

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Speaker 2: So we've got talks going on about the European Court

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Speaker 2: of Human Rights on migration.

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Speaker 14: Yes.

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Speaker 20: So the Conservatives, the second biggest party, the party of

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Speaker 20: opposition here and Reform UK leading the last one hundred

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Speaker 20: opinion polls with Nigel Farage at the helm, are both

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Speaker 20: saying that they would leave the Convention. The European Court

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Speaker 20: of Human Rights Convention if they want the next election.

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Speaker 20: So the British government very keen to look at this

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Speaker 20: as well, because they say the European Court of Human

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Speaker 20: Rights and these international agreements do need to be updated

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Speaker 20: and modernized. Why well, because quite simply, the international human

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Speaker 20: rights laws are giving people the opportunity and excuse to

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Speaker 20: stay in the UK when frankly, most people I think

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Speaker 20: were using their logics, say they have no right to

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Speaker 20: stay in the UK. There is a particular clause in

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Speaker 20: there where they say it's a right to life, a

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Speaker 20: right to a family life. Where somebody said, all, well,

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Speaker 20: you know, I've got a girlfriend and she's living in

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Speaker 20: the UK, so I should be able to stay in

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Speaker 20: the UK as well, And that's really irritated things. I

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Speaker 20: think it's made the removal of the illegal migrants here

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Speaker 20: much much more difficult as they go to law, supported

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Speaker 20: by of course the UK taxpayer for their funds, their

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Speaker 20: legal fees, and so critics say that the European Court

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Speaker 20: of Human Rights is getting in the way of removing

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Speaker 20: more illegal migrants. Supporters those say the claims about the

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Speaker 20: role in migration are exaggerated and it should not be

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Speaker 20: moved or removed and there shouldn't be altered. But it

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Speaker 20: is nevertheless seventy five years old, and many are saying,

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Speaker 20: including our own leader, Secure Starmer, and the leaders of

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Speaker 20: Italy and Denmark, saying it is old, it is outdated,

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Speaker 20: it needs updating.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it fascinating because this is a labor prime Minister

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Speaker 2: of the UK that we're talking about here, and he's

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Speaker 2: talking about watering down human rights. You know, So does

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Speaker 2: Trump have a point? Does Trump have a point on

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Speaker 2: migration that Europe is a bit weak? Well?

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Speaker 20: I think his most recent comments coming out saying that

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Speaker 20: the Europe is decaying and the leaders are weak because

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Speaker 20: they've allowed uncontrolled migration to take the changes that are

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Speaker 20: happening in these countries. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 20: will support what he's saying because they consider that we

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Speaker 20: don't know who lots of these people coming into the country.

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Speaker 20: Are the headlines our full day in day out here

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Speaker 20: in the UK and other European countries of migrants who

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Speaker 20: have been waiting for their asylum application to be processed,

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Speaker 20: then in court for committing some pretty nasty offenses. Just

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01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 20: in the last forty eight hours I've read of I

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Speaker 20: think three separate cases where migrants who are here illegally

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Speaker 20: and waiting for their decision have committed rape and other offenses.

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Speaker 20: One has to remember, of course, that these are the

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Speaker 20: ones that make the headline. Many tens of thousands come

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Speaker 20: across and are not doing this here for a better

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01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 20: way of life. But I think the US President's comments

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Speaker 20: that the UK is changing and changing irretrievably have hit

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Speaker 20: home and do resonate with some people here in the UK.

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Speaker 2: Now, a sperm donor who unknowingly harbored a genetic mutation.

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Speaker 2: This is all kicking off the story what's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Will explain it to us given.

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Speaker 20: Well, basically, there was a donor, an anonymous man who

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Speaker 20: was paid to donate as a student around two thousand

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Speaker 20: and five. His sperm has then been used by women

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Speaker 20: for around seventeen years, and it's thought fathered at least

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Speaker 20: one hundred and ninety seven children, so round about two

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Speaker 20: hundred at the very minimum. Now, at the time, he's

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Speaker 20: healthy and he passed the donor screening checks. However, the

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Speaker 20: DNA in some of his cells mutated before he was born,

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Speaker 20: and that it's damaged a gene called TP fifty three,

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Speaker 20: and that is a crucial in preventing the body's cells

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Speaker 20: turning cancerous. So although most of the donor's body does

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Speaker 20: not contain this dangerous form of TP fifty three, up

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Speaker 20: to a fifth of his sperm do and any children

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Speaker 20: made from the effected sperm will have the mutation in

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Speaker 20: every cell of their body. And the investigation among fourteen

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Speaker 20: public sector broadcasters in the European Union has found that

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Speaker 20: some of his children have already died. Now there are

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Speaker 20: rules in the UK about how many children can be

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Speaker 20: born from one particular donor, but in other countries their

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Speaker 20: aunt and it really is fearful that out of the

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Speaker 20: twenty three that they've discovered the children had been ten

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Speaker 20: had been diagnosed with cancer. So some awful news. Those

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01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 20: in charge of the center say investigations are underwearing sympathies

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Speaker 20: with the families. But I think this obviously shows some

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Speaker 20: of the days of the screening of some of the

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Speaker 20: dispermed donors, at least lacking in this particular moment.

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Speaker 2: It's awful because it's presumably he knows all about this

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01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 2: and so, but he did nothing wrong from the get

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Speaker 2: go right, So that's that's a terrible situation to be in. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: givin yeah, thank you for that. Kevin grayt Our UK correspondent.

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Speaker 2: It is ten minutes away from seven. You're on news

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Speaker 2: Talk zib.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tuple See Alan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: News Talk zib It is seven minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Great to have your company this evening. Let's hear from

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Speaker 2: some of the young people, the people that we've overlooked

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Speaker 2: this entire program when it comes to the social media

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Speaker 2: band across the Tasman. What do they actually think about it?

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Speaker 2: Some fourteen year olds.

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Speaker 22: I think the difference will be a lot.

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Speaker 26: I won't be getting up and making content every day,

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Speaker 26: having that creative outlet, that place that I love. Even

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Speaker 26: if my account to stay up because it's fully parent managed,

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Speaker 26: most of my followers would be wiped off the platform.

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Speaker 24: Anyway.

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Speaker 26: I think the intentions are good, but they don't understand.

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Speaker 26: They weren't born in a generation where this is like

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Speaker 26: a part of their life.

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Speaker 2: So these guys are actual influencers. Sounds like making coin

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Speaker 2: off social media. Go and make a lemonade stand. That's

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Speaker 2: what we had to do. Honestly, go and sell some

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01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 2: of your old clothes at the end of your driveway

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Speaker 2: and make a buck that way. Okay, stop influencing. It's

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Speaker 2: not you. I mean the influence has obviously been very bad.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise they wouldn't be banned.

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Speaker 9: You are bit jealous of their on lives A little bit, yeah,

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Speaker 9: a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey in video, you know they're making those chips

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Speaker 2: and Trump has said, yeah, you can sell the chips

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Speaker 2: to China, so that this is the h two hundred

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Speaker 2: ai chips. They go Taiwan, their mate, then they're going

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Speaker 2: to get shipped to the US where they undergo a

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01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 2: security review, and then they go to China finally, and

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01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 2: everyone's like, why do they have to go for a

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Speaker 2: security review in America? Well, they reckon because Trump wants

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Speaker 2: a twenty five percent cut from the sales, but he

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Speaker 2: can't make it look like it's an export tax, so

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Speaker 2: he's doing a little workaround. Security check. There it is,

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Speaker 2: and there's your tab, your ticket clipped. It is six

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Speaker 2: minutes away from seven now. And what are we going

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Speaker 2: out to.

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Speaker 27: A bit of a sad one today, Ryan, Unfortunately, we're

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Speaker 27: going out with Dance the Night Away by the Mavericks.

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Speaker 27: This was a country group with some Latin influencers who

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01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 27: were quite big in the nineties. But Raoul Marlow, he

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Speaker 27: was the front man and he has died at the

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Speaker 27: age of sixty.

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Speaker 9: Very much defined the sound of the band and wrote

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Speaker 9: a lot of the music himself.

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Speaker 27: We don't know exactly what he died of, but he

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Speaker 27: was battling stage four.

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Speaker 9: Colon dancers, so I think we can probably connect withs.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, rap Raoul Marlow. This is Dance the Night

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Speaker 9: Away by the Mavericks.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy your evening, everybody. I will see you tomorrow Thursday,

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Speaker 2: news Talk, said b R. And if you should see

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Speaker 2: her breaking, let know all that well.

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Speaker 7: As you can tell.

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Speaker 4: And if she should tell you that she wants.

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Speaker 2: Me back, tell her no.

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Speaker 20: I gotta go.

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Speaker 28: Justa with in your readle tack sway right out to

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Speaker 28: mys looking bright, just like so Honeymoon. Can't one a

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Speaker 28: dance the nid with your torn sway right out to

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Speaker 28: mys looking bride, just like Sonnymore.

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