1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks at B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio, 3 00:00:19,213 --> 00:00:29,653 Speaker 1: Straight Down the Middle of Trunks, Guy tryst Get inside 4 00:00:29,693 --> 00:00:33,893 Speaker 1: the game from every angle. It's Rugby Direct with Elliot 5 00:00:33,933 --> 00:00:37,013 Speaker 1: Smith and Leam Nabier powered by News Talks at B. 6 00:00:37,533 --> 00:00:40,453 Speaker 2: Welcome into Rugby Directs powered by Habit Hell Physio book 7 00:00:40,493 --> 00:00:44,333 Speaker 2: today and stay in the game. We have a new 8 00:00:44,533 --> 00:00:48,253 Speaker 2: All Blacks head coach. His name is Dave Rennie. He 9 00:00:48,293 --> 00:00:51,213 Speaker 2: will lead the All Blacks through until the twenty twenty 10 00:00:51,293 --> 00:00:54,893 Speaker 2: seven Rugby World Cup. The announcement coming from New Zealand 11 00:00:54,973 --> 00:00:57,373 Speaker 2: Rugby this morning. If you're just joining us on this 12 00:00:57,413 --> 00:01:00,853 Speaker 2: emergency podcast, We've been waiting for this announcement. We had 13 00:01:00,893 --> 00:01:04,973 Speaker 2: heard that Wednesday was a possibility, maybe Thursday, possibly even Friday, 14 00:01:05,453 --> 00:01:07,213 Speaker 2: but we thought it was coming this week and sure 15 00:01:07,293 --> 00:01:11,973 Speaker 2: enough it has. Dave Rennie, who was of course former 16 00:01:12,013 --> 00:01:15,853 Speaker 2: Wallaby's coach, Chiefs coach Glasgow Coaching, among others, will take 17 00:01:15,933 --> 00:01:18,813 Speaker 2: charge of the All Blacks through until next year's Rugby 18 00:01:18,853 --> 00:01:21,573 Speaker 2: World Cup. Am I surprised and I don't think I am? 19 00:01:21,733 --> 00:01:24,613 Speaker 2: I think Rennie in the last couple of weeks had 20 00:01:24,613 --> 00:01:28,333 Speaker 2: been firming as the insider for this role and Jamie 21 00:01:28,413 --> 00:01:32,453 Speaker 2: Joseph was maybe the outsider for this coaching role. We 22 00:01:32,533 --> 00:01:35,453 Speaker 2: know in the last couple of weeks that the All 23 00:01:35,493 --> 00:01:38,093 Speaker 2: Blacks Panel or members of the All Blacks Coaching selection 24 00:01:38,173 --> 00:01:41,133 Speaker 2: panel had been down to the Highlanders of observed Jamie Joseph. 25 00:01:41,653 --> 00:01:43,973 Speaker 2: Then they went up to Japan a couple of members 26 00:01:44,173 --> 00:01:46,573 Speaker 2: and observed Dave Rennie up there as well. Then ultimately 27 00:01:46,573 --> 00:01:49,933 Speaker 2: it came down to a couple of interviews this week 28 00:01:50,213 --> 00:01:52,933 Speaker 2: with New Zealand Rugby, the coaching panel and the board 29 00:01:52,933 --> 00:01:56,453 Speaker 2: and ultimately they have settled on Dave Rennie as the 30 00:01:56,493 --> 00:01:59,893 Speaker 2: head coach. I think with the short runway through to 31 00:01:59,933 --> 00:02:03,773 Speaker 2: the World Cup, Dave Rennie's record of quickly instilling the 32 00:02:03,813 --> 00:02:06,133 Speaker 2: team culture and getting them back on track would have 33 00:02:06,133 --> 00:02:08,133 Speaker 2: been something that would have been on the minds of 34 00:02:08,173 --> 00:02:10,613 Speaker 2: the All Blacks coaching panel. You think back to twenty 35 00:02:10,653 --> 00:02:13,413 Speaker 2: twelve or late twenty eleven when he took over as 36 00:02:13,453 --> 00:02:17,973 Speaker 2: the Chiefs from munaw two. He was able to instill 37 00:02:18,293 --> 00:02:22,173 Speaker 2: winning culture there very much connected to multi culture and 38 00:02:22,213 --> 00:02:26,533 Speaker 2: the roots of the Waikato and brought this team together magnificently. 39 00:02:26,533 --> 00:02:29,173 Speaker 2: A few under twenty players like Aaron Cruden that had 40 00:02:29,213 --> 00:02:32,693 Speaker 2: worked with before, Robbie Robinson, other players as well, and 41 00:02:32,773 --> 00:02:35,853 Speaker 2: it certainly wasn't you know, you know, the luxury of 42 00:02:35,893 --> 00:02:39,253 Speaker 2: like an All Blacks leyden Field that he could call on, 43 00:02:39,413 --> 00:02:41,293 Speaker 2: But it was players that he was able to develop 44 00:02:41,373 --> 00:02:44,053 Speaker 2: that then tuned into All Blacks. So someone like Brodie 45 00:02:44,053 --> 00:02:47,133 Speaker 2: Retelle quickly became an All Black on the strength of 46 00:02:47,213 --> 00:02:49,533 Speaker 2: Dave when he's coaching. So I think with the short 47 00:02:49,573 --> 00:02:52,613 Speaker 2: runway through to the Rugby World Cup, the ability to 48 00:02:52,653 --> 00:02:55,613 Speaker 2: set that culture quickly is something that would have impressed 49 00:02:56,293 --> 00:02:59,253 Speaker 2: the All Blacks coaching panel and given them food for thought. 50 00:02:59,653 --> 00:03:02,893 Speaker 2: You know, He's also seen around other environments as well, 51 00:03:04,053 --> 00:03:07,893 Speaker 2: most recently at Kobe in Japan where he's coached Ardie Sarvia, 52 00:03:08,093 --> 00:03:09,973 Speaker 2: which may well have played a big role in this 53 00:03:10,053 --> 00:03:13,293 Speaker 2: as well. The Wallabies tenure ended in a bit of 54 00:03:13,373 --> 00:03:15,773 Speaker 2: a disaster from his perspective when he was acts for 55 00:03:16,173 --> 00:03:18,733 Speaker 2: Eddie Jones, but arguably it got worse later in the 56 00:03:18,813 --> 00:03:20,333 Speaker 2: year when they failed to get out of their pool 57 00:03:20,373 --> 00:03:24,373 Speaker 2: stage at that Rugby World Cup. So you know, internationally, 58 00:03:24,493 --> 00:03:28,693 Speaker 2: you know, a little bit green maybe compared to Jamie 59 00:03:28,773 --> 00:03:32,493 Speaker 2: Joseph with only that three years experience twenty twenty two 60 00:03:32,613 --> 00:03:34,973 Speaker 2: late twenty twenty two in charge of the Wallabies. That 61 00:03:35,093 --> 00:03:37,373 Speaker 2: did include a loss to Italy of course as well. 62 00:03:37,413 --> 00:03:39,253 Speaker 2: But all than all this is that I've heard about 63 00:03:39,293 --> 00:03:42,813 Speaker 2: the Wallabies was that Davey was really, really respective and 64 00:03:43,053 --> 00:03:44,533 Speaker 2: there are a lot of players sad to see him 65 00:03:44,533 --> 00:03:47,613 Speaker 2: go when he was actsd for Eddie Jones in that 66 00:03:47,693 --> 00:03:51,453 Speaker 2: hit and run mission through to the Rugby World Cup 67 00:03:51,933 --> 00:03:55,573 Speaker 2: previously to that Glasgow after leaving the Chiefs in twenty sixteen, 68 00:03:56,173 --> 00:03:58,253 Speaker 2: and it was also coached at New Zealand under twenties 69 00:03:58,333 --> 00:04:00,733 Speaker 2: level as well. But make no mistake about this, this 70 00:04:00,853 --> 00:04:03,533 Speaker 2: is to use the term a hit and run mission 71 00:04:03,573 --> 00:04:06,733 Speaker 2: through until the Rugby World Cup twenty twenty seven. He's 72 00:04:06,733 --> 00:04:09,733 Speaker 2: going to have seventeen matches this year. First is on 73 00:04:09,813 --> 00:04:14,733 Speaker 2: July fourth against France, then games obviously against Italy and Ireland, 74 00:04:14,773 --> 00:04:17,293 Speaker 2: then that huge tour of South Africa with the four 75 00:04:17,373 --> 00:04:19,853 Speaker 2: tour matches and the four Tests against the world champion 76 00:04:19,893 --> 00:04:22,173 Speaker 2: spring Box, a couple against the Wallaby is then an 77 00:04:22,253 --> 00:04:25,573 Speaker 2: end of year tour and then a Rugby Championship to 78 00:04:25,653 --> 00:04:27,933 Speaker 2: go around after that as well. Next year ahead of 79 00:04:27,933 --> 00:04:29,533 Speaker 2: the World Cup, and maybe warm up test there. So 80 00:04:29,573 --> 00:04:32,453 Speaker 2: it's not a long runway whoever was going to take charge. 81 00:04:32,493 --> 00:04:35,453 Speaker 2: It's less of a runway with Dave Rennie because he 82 00:04:35,573 --> 00:04:38,333 Speaker 2: is going to see out his Kobe commitments, which will 83 00:04:38,453 --> 00:04:42,173 Speaker 2: likely end around late May potentially. At this stage they're 84 00:04:42,173 --> 00:04:45,173 Speaker 2: on track to make the playoffs, maybe early June, so 85 00:04:45,493 --> 00:04:46,893 Speaker 2: he's going to have a lot of work to do. 86 00:04:47,013 --> 00:04:48,893 Speaker 2: And I'm sure you're about to go to the media 87 00:04:48,893 --> 00:04:50,613 Speaker 2: conference in the next week while, but I'm sure he'll 88 00:04:50,613 --> 00:04:54,253 Speaker 2: say his focused is fully on Kobe. But you'd have 89 00:04:54,293 --> 00:04:55,773 Speaker 2: to think he's going to have to spend some of 90 00:04:55,813 --> 00:04:59,453 Speaker 2: his waking hours chewing over Super Rugby tape from New 91 00:04:59,533 --> 00:05:03,133 Speaker 2: Zealand and observing those players. The one question we do 92 00:05:03,213 --> 00:05:05,973 Speaker 2: have is around the coaches that are going to be 93 00:05:06,093 --> 00:05:08,493 Speaker 2: joining him in the setup, and the line from the 94 00:05:08,533 --> 00:05:11,653 Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby media release is in Zia will now 95 00:05:11,653 --> 00:05:14,253 Speaker 2: work with Rennie to confirm the wider All Blacks coaching 96 00:05:14,253 --> 00:05:17,813 Speaker 2: and management team. Updates will be provided in the coming weeks. 97 00:05:18,653 --> 00:05:21,453 Speaker 2: To me, I think Dave Rennie is going to go 98 00:05:21,493 --> 00:05:23,653 Speaker 2: with people he trusts, people that he has worked with 99 00:05:23,853 --> 00:05:27,333 Speaker 2: before to take charge in this job. He hasn't got 100 00:05:27,333 --> 00:05:30,933 Speaker 2: time to interview assistance, to take punts on people, to 101 00:05:31,573 --> 00:05:34,133 Speaker 2: bring people through. He either knows he can work with 102 00:05:34,213 --> 00:05:36,773 Speaker 2: him or he can't, and I think that's where we're 103 00:05:36,813 --> 00:05:39,013 Speaker 2: probably going to see him bring a lot of the 104 00:05:39,053 --> 00:05:43,413 Speaker 2: former Chiefs coaches in. Andrew Strawbridge has been well connected 105 00:05:43,413 --> 00:05:45,173 Speaker 2: with Dave Rennie for a number of years. Someone like 106 00:05:45,213 --> 00:05:48,173 Speaker 2: Neil Barnes, the Taranaki coach, has been linked with these 107 00:05:48,253 --> 00:05:51,173 Speaker 2: roles as well. He's worked with Dave Rennie at the Chiefs. 108 00:05:52,093 --> 00:05:55,053 Speaker 2: You know, other coaches maybe at Kobe that he's worked 109 00:05:55,093 --> 00:05:57,613 Speaker 2: with as well, or Glaves go through the seasons too. 110 00:05:58,133 --> 00:06:00,253 Speaker 2: There will be names I think that he is comfortable 111 00:06:00,573 --> 00:06:02,573 Speaker 2: working with because the last thing that he wants to 112 00:06:02,573 --> 00:06:05,293 Speaker 2: do is get in there in June and decide, you know, 113 00:06:05,493 --> 00:06:07,253 Speaker 2: like it happened a couple of years ago with the 114 00:06:07,253 --> 00:06:09,733 Speaker 2: All Blacks that he couldn't work with a member of 115 00:06:09,773 --> 00:06:11,893 Speaker 2: the All Blacks coaching stuff. So I think it's going 116 00:06:11,933 --> 00:06:14,493 Speaker 2: to be nervous times for the incumbents and the coaching stuff, 117 00:06:14,533 --> 00:06:17,773 Speaker 2: as it has probably been since January fifteen sixteen, whenever 118 00:06:17,853 --> 00:06:20,293 Speaker 2: the announcement initial dropped from New Zealand Rugby that Scott 119 00:06:20,373 --> 00:06:23,253 Speaker 2: Robertson has gone. The word was that Jamie Rinnie, Jamie 120 00:06:23,333 --> 00:06:26,493 Speaker 2: Joseph excuse me, was more comfortable working with the incumbent 121 00:06:26,613 --> 00:06:30,293 Speaker 2: assistant staff and maybe bring on a couple of faces. 122 00:06:30,533 --> 00:06:32,893 Speaker 2: What of Jamie Joseph, Well, you know, I think the 123 00:06:32,893 --> 00:06:36,653 Speaker 2: tag old School had been applied to him, maybe a 124 00:06:36,733 --> 00:06:39,253 Speaker 2: little bit unfairly. Obviously had a lot of success, but 125 00:06:39,773 --> 00:06:42,613 Speaker 2: when it emerged and was confirmed that Tony Brown couldn't 126 00:06:42,613 --> 00:06:44,933 Speaker 2: get out of his South African contract, I think there 127 00:06:44,973 --> 00:06:47,733 Speaker 2: was a blow for Jamie Joseph and his hopes. Otherwise 128 00:06:47,773 --> 00:06:50,253 Speaker 2: a pretty compelling package that he would have been able 129 00:06:50,293 --> 00:06:54,813 Speaker 2: to put together. I think Jamie Joseph has been a 130 00:06:55,053 --> 00:06:57,493 Speaker 2: positive for New Zealand Rugby in terms of having him 131 00:06:57,493 --> 00:07:00,333 Speaker 2: back at the hinders. Ultimately he has missed out on 132 00:07:00,373 --> 00:07:02,773 Speaker 2: this role. Could he stick around with the All Blacks 133 00:07:02,773 --> 00:07:05,493 Speaker 2: fifteen for another couple of years there were to a 134 00:07:05,533 --> 00:07:07,573 Speaker 2: no doubt end of this year and maybe next year 135 00:07:07,893 --> 00:07:09,493 Speaker 2: as well. Is that something he wants to do or 136 00:07:09,493 --> 00:07:12,653 Speaker 2: will he set his sights on coaching roles abroad in 137 00:07:12,653 --> 00:07:14,533 Speaker 2: the mirror go round that might happen there. I don't 138 00:07:14,533 --> 00:07:18,213 Speaker 2: think he's done with international coaching as yet. But I 139 00:07:18,253 --> 00:07:20,453 Speaker 2: think there's a bit of water to go under the bridge. 140 00:07:20,493 --> 00:07:23,253 Speaker 2: But ultimately I think this was a culture question and 141 00:07:23,333 --> 00:07:26,173 Speaker 2: how quickly can you get someone in place building a 142 00:07:26,173 --> 00:07:28,973 Speaker 2: culture for the Rugby World Cup, And they've decided that 143 00:07:29,053 --> 00:07:32,213 Speaker 2: Dave Rennie is the person to do that with the 144 00:07:32,253 --> 00:07:35,853 Speaker 2: All Blacks through until the twenty twenty seven Rugby World Cup. 145 00:07:36,133 --> 00:07:38,893 Speaker 2: That's a quick edition of Rugby Direct. We plan to 146 00:07:38,893 --> 00:07:41,973 Speaker 2: be back later in the day and have Liam Napier 147 00:07:42,493 --> 00:07:45,933 Speaker 2: back on Rugby Direct and analyzing this decision from New 148 00:07:46,013 --> 00:07:48,173 Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby as well as a bit of reaction from 149 00:07:48,173 --> 00:07:50,453 Speaker 2: the media conference as well. But for now that is 150 00:07:50,813 --> 00:07:53,613 Speaker 2: Rugby Direct powered by Habit Health thanks to Mark Kelly. 151 00:07:53,853 --> 00:07:56,053 Speaker 2: We'll see a bit later on in your podcast. 152 00:07:55,613 --> 00:08:02,253 Speaker 1: Feed for more from News Talks B listen live on 153 00:08:02,293 --> 00:08:05,293 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 154 00:08:05,333 --> 00:08:07,893 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.