1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Catherine Field, how are you. 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: I'm wonderful. Thank you very much. Mike, welcome back. 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be back 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: and to hear your glorious voice. Now, my thinking on 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: this from the other side of the world is, I 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: know you're all angsty, and I know what Trump's like 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but he's not invading Greenland. He's 8 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: not going to buy it. Something eventually will be sorted. 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: Do you agree, Well, the bulls in the china shop, 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: let's put it that way. And no one knows quite 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: what to do. This has been coming for a long time. 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: The EU still can't agree on what it needs to do. 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: They have really split. The Germans are very clear that 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: what needs to be done is the hind closed door. 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: Be more combative, but in public, be more conciliatory. French 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 2: President Emanuel Macron says, hey, no, this has gone too far. 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: Let's use what they calling the bazooka, which is impose 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: a one hundred and ninety billion New Zealand dollar worth 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: of tariffs on the Americans and put into play spots 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: called an anti coercion instrument, which would shut off American 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: companies from the EU. Single market, So that means American 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: companies would not have access to five hundred million consumers, 23 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: it would limit trade licenses, and they wouldn't be able 24 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 2: to get involved in public procurement. But they can't agree 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: on that at the moment. So what we're all looking for, 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: Mike is Wednesday, the big day. Everyone's going to be 27 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: in DeVos, hoping to get that chance to buttonhole the 28 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump, to say to him this has 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: got to stop. We're determined you can't go on like this. 30 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: But of course we've been done this before. Trump just 31 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: keeps ramping up the pressure, and of course there's going 32 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: to be that big US presidence at Davos, You've got 33 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: Secretary of State Treasury Commerce. But certainly now Mike, I 34 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: have to say, everyone's holding their breath, wondering how much 35 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: further can this escalate? 36 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: And where does this leave NATO? If Trump does whatever 37 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: Trump means up doing with Greenland, what happens with. 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: NATO, Well, NATO can actually survive without the US. It's 39 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: just going to be a lot more expensive because NATO 40 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: members would have to really quickly buy lots of equipment. 41 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: I think the thing you have to remember, Mike is 42 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: NATO has a framework, it's got a command structure, it's 43 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: got a doctrine, it's got a way of doing business 44 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: that's been built up over what seventy five years, so 45 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: they could still work out that way. So it's a 46 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: very successful military alliance. If it does disappear, it will 47 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: go done in history. Is one that kept the piece 48 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: for many generations. Thirty two member states, so it will 49 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: have to up its game again. We're looking at the problem, Mike, 50 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: of how do you get tough with Trump without having 51 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: him just walk away from the Ukraine peace process. That's 52 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: a problem. However, in the last couple of hours, the 53 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 2: French President Manual Macron has told his cabinet, the big 54 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: cabinet meeting at the LUSA Palace, and I'm quoting here, 55 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: to be free, you have to be feared. We weren't 56 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: feared enough. 57 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: No, okay, well we'll see what happens over the next 58 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: couple of days. I guess by the way that Louver robbery. 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: But they've found anything of anything happened to that. 60 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: No, nothing, Actually, that's still got four suspects and custody. 61 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: It would seem that they're not talking. The original suggestion 62 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: that this was just an opportunist, heister, since we've been 63 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: going up the window because of the way those four 64 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: actually operated afterwards, abandoned their scooters for a van, knew 65 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: where to change to from their scooters to a van 66 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: an area that didn't have closed circuit TV, and they 67 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: still haven't found the jewels. 68 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: Good to catch up Katherine Catherinfield back next Tuesday. Of course, 69 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: the other thing I note in that particular part of 70 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,119 Speaker 1: the world is reading over the holidays. Algeria's parliament unanimously 71 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: passed a law declared or in France's colonization of their 72 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: country are a crime, and they want an apology and 73 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: they want reparations. So we'll see where that goes. 74 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 75 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 76 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.