1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:12,693 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk ZEDB. Follow 2 00:00:12,773 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,692 --> 00:00:19,613 Speaker 2: So actively to. David Seymour says new pet born rules 4 00:00:19,613 --> 00:00:22,532 Speaker 2: coming into force today deliver on an act promise to 5 00:00:22,573 --> 00:00:27,573 Speaker 2: fix a problem facing thousands of KEI we renters. David 6 00:00:27,573 --> 00:00:30,732 Speaker 2: Seymour is on the line right now. Very good afternoon 7 00:00:30,773 --> 00:00:31,252 Speaker 2: to you, David. 8 00:00:32,173 --> 00:00:34,253 Speaker 3: Hey you, good afternoon now. 9 00:00:35,173 --> 00:00:37,253 Speaker 4: David. How do you expect the Tendency Tribune on to 10 00:00:37,293 --> 00:00:40,892 Speaker 4: interpret reasonable grounds in these cases? 11 00:00:42,053 --> 00:00:44,412 Speaker 3: Well, you've got to have a reason, and it's got 12 00:00:44,452 --> 00:00:46,253 Speaker 3: to be something that stacks up with a bit of 13 00:00:46,253 --> 00:00:49,412 Speaker 3: common sense. If, for example, it was an apartment block 14 00:00:49,772 --> 00:00:52,373 Speaker 3: and there was someone right next door who was really 15 00:00:52,412 --> 00:00:56,932 Speaker 3: badly allergic to a pet, then you could maybe understand 16 00:00:56,933 --> 00:00:59,373 Speaker 3: that say okay, well, look, a reasonable person would say 17 00:00:59,373 --> 00:01:02,892 Speaker 3: that's not quite right. If it was a property that, 18 00:01:03,533 --> 00:01:07,733 Speaker 3: for example, had some sort of crazily sensitive carpet or 19 00:01:07,733 --> 00:01:11,413 Speaker 3: fittings or something you knew that even the goodest boy 20 00:01:11,453 --> 00:01:14,732 Speaker 3: ever was just going to mol and destroy, then you know, 21 00:01:14,813 --> 00:01:17,173 Speaker 3: you might say that's reasonable. I'm not trying to sort 22 00:01:17,173 --> 00:01:19,453 Speaker 3: of make the law on ZD, but you can kind 23 00:01:19,453 --> 00:01:21,773 Speaker 3: of think how actually this is not too hard key 24 00:01:21,773 --> 00:01:24,732 Speaker 3: with a generally sensible people and they'll get to good results. 25 00:01:25,093 --> 00:01:28,893 Speaker 4: You talk about pets here. When we talk about pets, 26 00:01:28,932 --> 00:01:31,372 Speaker 4: is that what if someone says five cats, I've got 27 00:01:31,373 --> 00:01:32,452 Speaker 4: five cats, let's go. 28 00:01:34,013 --> 00:01:36,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's exactly it. I mean, I've always worried 29 00:01:36,613 --> 00:01:39,693 Speaker 3: that your life would go on this trajectory, and it 30 00:01:39,733 --> 00:01:42,053 Speaker 3: seems that you going even faster than i'd fear it. 31 00:01:42,453 --> 00:01:46,012 Speaker 3: But look, I mean again, they're going to make a 32 00:01:46,093 --> 00:01:48,253 Speaker 3: judgment call. I think what's important is right now, the 33 00:01:48,293 --> 00:01:51,013 Speaker 3: status quo is no. So if you talk to the 34 00:01:51,053 --> 00:01:53,373 Speaker 3: people up at pet Refuge, they take people in if 35 00:01:53,413 --> 00:01:55,773 Speaker 3: they're being abused and their pets are being blackmailed, you 36 00:01:55,773 --> 00:01:57,333 Speaker 3: know that they're going to hurt the pet to try 37 00:01:57,373 --> 00:01:59,973 Speaker 3: and control the victim of domestic abuse. You know, these 38 00:02:00,013 --> 00:02:02,853 Speaker 3: guys are jumping up and down about this because they 39 00:02:02,893 --> 00:02:06,293 Speaker 3: can see an exit plan for people who are victims 40 00:02:06,333 --> 00:02:09,213 Speaker 3: of domestic abuse. If you look at people have pets, 41 00:02:09,253 --> 00:02:12,253 Speaker 3: you know the tenants having markets still tough for younger people. 42 00:02:12,733 --> 00:02:15,253 Speaker 3: They're really excited about this. So what we're really doing 43 00:02:15,333 --> 00:02:18,933 Speaker 3: is creating possibility. The government is saying, look, here's a 44 00:02:18,933 --> 00:02:22,252 Speaker 3: framework you can use to take advantage of that possibility 45 00:02:22,413 --> 00:02:24,413 Speaker 3: was right Now the default is know that so many 46 00:02:24,413 --> 00:02:26,093 Speaker 3: people and that's a massive shift. 47 00:02:26,853 --> 00:02:29,493 Speaker 4: Now, of course, you can't force people to take on 48 00:02:29,573 --> 00:02:33,253 Speaker 4: a tenant, So how do you check that the person 49 00:02:33,413 --> 00:02:36,692 Speaker 4: is rejecting not rejecting. So basically, you've got two people. 50 00:02:37,093 --> 00:02:39,493 Speaker 4: One of them's got three cats, one of them's got 51 00:02:39,493 --> 00:02:41,613 Speaker 4: no cats. You as a land or just happen to 52 00:02:41,653 --> 00:02:44,813 Speaker 4: pick the other person. You may be rejecting them because 53 00:02:44,813 --> 00:02:45,973 Speaker 4: of the cats, But how do you know. 54 00:02:47,173 --> 00:02:49,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, We're not here to force people. We're 55 00:02:49,293 --> 00:02:51,933 Speaker 3: here to create win wins. That's what we're all about. 56 00:02:52,333 --> 00:02:54,333 Speaker 3: I just you know, try and take a sonny re 57 00:02:54,373 --> 00:02:57,093 Speaker 3: view of the world generally. But the thing about the 58 00:02:57,173 --> 00:02:59,972 Speaker 3: two weeks bond, that is there to give an incentive 59 00:03:00,053 --> 00:03:02,613 Speaker 3: and give the peace of mind. So you know, you say, okay, look, 60 00:03:02,613 --> 00:03:04,493 Speaker 3: I've always been worried about this, but now I know 61 00:03:04,653 --> 00:03:06,933 Speaker 3: I can take two weeks, rent an additional bond for 62 00:03:06,972 --> 00:03:09,613 Speaker 3: any damage a pet might create and so you know, 63 00:03:09,733 --> 00:03:12,093 Speaker 3: any natural bias that might be there, you kind of 64 00:03:12,093 --> 00:03:12,852 Speaker 3: cancel that out. 65 00:03:13,893 --> 00:03:17,532 Speaker 2: There's been a couple of texts already, David, and granted 66 00:03:17,573 --> 00:03:19,613 Speaker 2: it's just a text and there's no proof there but 67 00:03:19,853 --> 00:03:22,693 Speaker 2: from landlord saying because of this, they're going to get 68 00:03:22,693 --> 00:03:24,333 Speaker 2: out of the game. You think they're just hottier. 69 00:03:26,013 --> 00:03:30,173 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's that's crazy. You know, the amount 70 00:03:30,213 --> 00:03:32,373 Speaker 3: of damage that could potentially done is going to be 71 00:03:32,413 --> 00:03:35,333 Speaker 3: covered by the bond. The number of potential tenants that 72 00:03:35,373 --> 00:03:37,173 Speaker 3: you can have as great. And I may be a 73 00:03:37,173 --> 00:03:40,653 Speaker 3: bit biased, but you know, I think on balance, people 74 00:03:40,653 --> 00:03:44,053 Speaker 3: that are animal lovers are generally good to humans as well, 75 00:03:44,373 --> 00:03:46,893 Speaker 3: so you might be opening up a whole market of 76 00:03:47,013 --> 00:03:48,453 Speaker 3: really great tenants. 77 00:03:49,173 --> 00:03:53,813 Speaker 4: So in New Zealand, Now, should it be assumed that 78 00:03:53,893 --> 00:03:57,213 Speaker 4: this is the default, that allowing allowing a pet into 79 00:03:58,013 --> 00:03:59,853 Speaker 4: a rental is the default position? 80 00:04:01,413 --> 00:04:03,333 Speaker 3: Yep. So if you've got if you've got your reasons, 81 00:04:03,373 --> 00:04:05,213 Speaker 3: you know to do it. At the end of the day, 82 00:04:05,293 --> 00:04:08,053 Speaker 3: if you don't want to accept someone who's an applicant, 83 00:04:08,053 --> 00:04:10,173 Speaker 3: you've got a whole lot of applicants, it's a busy market, 84 00:04:10,213 --> 00:04:12,253 Speaker 3: then you take the person you want to. You've you've 85 00:04:12,253 --> 00:04:14,773 Speaker 3: got that right, absolutely. But what we've done is we've 86 00:04:14,773 --> 00:04:17,373 Speaker 3: opened up that possibility and I think possibility is a 87 00:04:17,413 --> 00:04:18,053 Speaker 3: wonderful work. 88 00:04:18,733 --> 00:04:20,453 Speaker 4: All right, Thank you so much for your time. Now, 89 00:04:20,453 --> 00:04:21,733 Speaker 4: I will just push back a little bit on something 90 00:04:21,773 --> 00:04:23,293 Speaker 4: you said earlier. When I was a kid growing up 91 00:04:23,293 --> 00:04:25,653 Speaker 4: on the farm, we had five cats, and so I'm 92 00:04:25,653 --> 00:04:28,013 Speaker 4: going the other way. I now have no cats. Explained 93 00:04:28,093 --> 00:04:31,093 Speaker 4: so much, Matt, I'm on the trajectory away from a 94 00:04:31,133 --> 00:04:32,213 Speaker 4: crazy old cat man. 95 00:04:32,653 --> 00:04:33,773 Speaker 2: You've just got one small. 96 00:04:33,573 --> 00:04:37,373 Speaker 3: World now, I'm look. I think everyone should just be 97 00:04:37,733 --> 00:04:40,333 Speaker 3: pleased and proud of who they aren't. Don't let people 98 00:04:40,373 --> 00:04:41,773 Speaker 3: judge or make you feel small. 99 00:04:41,693 --> 00:04:44,453 Speaker 2: Beautifully, said David. Hey, really great, davey On, thank you 100 00:04:44,533 --> 00:04:46,773 Speaker 2: so much for your time. We'll catch up again. So 101 00:04:46,933 --> 00:04:49,813 Speaker 2: there is egg party leader, David. 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