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Speaker 1: A big move from the government on farm to forest conversion.

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Speaker 1: By next October, limits are going to be in place

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Speaker 1: on what land can be converted and how much planting

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Speaker 1: can happen. FED Farmers Forestry spokesperson Toby Williams with us

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Speaker 1: on this Toby Morning Morning, Mike, they got it right.

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Speaker 2: You're not happy, No, We're really happy. This is one

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Speaker 2: of those things we've been asking for. It. It actually probably

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Speaker 2: goes a little bit further than what we've been asking

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Speaker 2: having those restrictions on land class six, but also having

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Speaker 2: the ability for farmers still to plant up to twenty

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Speaker 2: five percent of their own land irrespect of what the

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Speaker 2: slope is as a great core for farming.

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Speaker 1: Have you had good input into it of the government

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Speaker 1: listen to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have. So there's something I've been working on here,

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Speaker 2: will fed's been working on for now for three or

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Speaker 2: four years of the government. You know that's party now

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Speaker 2: the government, and it's really aren't at all of our

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Speaker 2: calls and I think it's really clear, really care we

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Speaker 2: need to be really careful here is that bag You

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Speaker 2: can still be planted on those land classes. We just

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Speaker 2: can't claim the eighty years. So it brings restores the

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Speaker 2: balance back between farming and production forestry and make sure

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Speaker 2: we're playing off an even field.

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Speaker 1: Were things didn't care where had we tipped it too

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Speaker 1: far in one way?

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Speaker 2: No, we had clipped it too far one way. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And that's one of a big big criticisms has been that,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're they're farm up here on the coast

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Speaker 2: sixteen sixty hour sorry, and a lot of that's Class

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Speaker 2: three and four and it's all been planted into pine trees,

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Speaker 2: which is a waste of productive farm land. Now we've

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Speaker 2: got the balance right and we're looking forward to you know,

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Speaker 2: working with the government ensure that we get some changes

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Speaker 2: to eat. Yes, so we're actually achieving our goals.

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Speaker 1: Flip siders, I've got one hundred hec. There is somebody

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Speaker 1: who wants to plant forests offt and me ten dollars

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Speaker 1: a hec there more, What do I do? I mean?

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Speaker 1: That's unfair to a degree, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not when you've already distorted the market by

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Speaker 2: having this, you know, this ability for people to you know,

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Speaker 2: pay really high prices, driving up fat land. It is

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Speaker 2: beyond the reach of a she to be farmer. We've

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Speaker 2: got even dairy farmers down in the south and going,

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Speaker 2: and that's how high the carbon price had got. So

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Speaker 2: it was out of control. And it's just restore some balance.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean, you know, it's not going to happen

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Speaker 2: to restore some balance back into it.

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Speaker 1: Was it laziness? I mean, when you're looking at carbon climate,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, if you can plant a tree, you were

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Speaker 1: always going to, weren't it, because it's the easy way out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an easy way. And a broad Car had

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Speaker 2: an article talking about how the ETS is going to

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Speaker 2: fail because of their very reason. It's easier and it's

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Speaker 2: more convenient to plant a tree rather than change behavior.

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Speaker 2: What we need to see is behavior toan we just

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Speaker 2: stop pluting. We need to stop pumping tons and millions

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Speaker 2: of tons of CO two into the ear, and we'll

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Speaker 2: start solving some of our problems. We could plant all

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Speaker 2: of our farm land in New Zealand and globe warming

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Speaker 2: will still occur because they're sill a mat in.

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Speaker 1: Calvin, So you would you would. He's outgoing at the

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Speaker 1: Climent Commission. Of course, he says, un listen, there's major change.

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Speaker 1: We're going to fail. You would agree with him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd agree with him. You know, the ETU should

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Speaker 2: be set up to change behaviors. Right now, the only

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Speaker 2: thing that's doing is masking behaviors. Any ostage, anything that

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Speaker 2: says net emissions. You know, we need to talk about

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Speaker 2: grosser missions and we have grosser missions profile, not our

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Speaker 2: need emissions. Although it's it's a convenient thing to be doing.

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Speaker 2: So we're doing our boat. We've got our net measures

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Speaker 2: at x y z.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you wind up. I don't know whether you've seen it,

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Speaker 1: but we've got the agg Minister on after seven o'clock

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Speaker 1: there's a new methane emissions report out and their argument

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Speaker 1: is that we don't need to cut by as much

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Speaker 1: if the world does a whole bunch more than they're

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Speaker 1: doing currently. The problem is the world won't do a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch more than they're doing currently. Therefore we might

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Speaker 1: have to say you see what I mean, it's like

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Speaker 1: the world doesn't do it. What's the point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll also to remember we're a very small market,

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Speaker 2: you know, small country. Sorry, down the end of the world.

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Speaker 2: We've got actually a very low missions profile and all

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Speaker 2: of our emissions, we remove all of our missions. We're

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Speaker 2: not going to move the needle soever. We still need

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Speaker 2: to do our bit, and you know what, we don't

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Speaker 2: want to sacrifice our productive economy to be able to

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Speaker 2: achieve that, and under current targets and the current legislation

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Speaker 2: we've had, that's what we're going to do. And the

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Speaker 2: Paris call is very clear. We shouldn't befiting food production

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Speaker 2: to get our missions and check and that's the one

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Speaker 2: thing that we've been doing.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff Tobey appreciated very much like his cut of

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Speaker 1: his Jim Toybee Williams Federated Farmer's Forestry spokes for us.

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