1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Ever do for Zea Island. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: Yes, another pole has National behind Labor the Taxpayer's Union. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: Curier Pole has National sitting on thirty two, Labour on 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: thirty four. Chris Hopkins is the leader of the Labour Party. Hey, Chris, 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: good a, Heather looks good, but you know you're not 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 2: going to win a Oh. 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Look, there's a lot of water to flow under the bridge. Yet. 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: I said at the beginning of the year that we 9 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: need to focus on the issues that New Zealand dos 10 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: want us focused on, jobs, health, homes, cost of living. Yeah, 11 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: that's what we've been focused on. And I think they 12 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: can see the current government. 13 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: You've still got Chloe saying she wants to be Finance minister. 14 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: As long as you've got loopy people next door that 15 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: you have to get into bed with, it's not going 16 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: to happen. 17 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Well, Christoph Luxan surrounded by loopy people, and you know, 18 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: I think New Zealanders want a government of stability, and 19 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: I think Labor can deliver a government of stability. 20 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: You've also got the problem, Chippy, that you were part 21 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: of the last lot that ran us into this economic 22 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: funk that we're an eight Have you read that Treasury report. 23 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: Yet I've seen parts of the Treasury report. I do 24 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: notice that the fact that the Treasury found that this 25 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: government have no credible. 26 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: Wing none never mind never I'm dealing with this government. 27 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: Let's deal with you. You guys were warned multiple times by 28 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: Treasury to stop the spending. So why didn't you? 29 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: We chose to focus on saving people's lives. 30 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: Much that you went way and they point out that 31 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: about half of the spending has got nothing to do 32 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: with COVID, it's just random stuff you liked. 33 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 1: The first announcement Kristo of Fluxen made when he became 34 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: leader of the National Party was that he wanted the 35 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: government to spend more money on the COVID. 36 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: Oh look, don't you worry. I'm pretty upset with them 37 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: about that. But what about you guys. You have got 38 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: no economic credibility now, have you. 39 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: Well? The current government are spending more money and borrowing 40 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: more money than we ever did. 41 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: Are you going to demote Willow Jane at the next reshuffle? 42 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: No? I think Willow Jean should have replied to Erica 43 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: Stanford to tell her that, you know, she was going 44 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: out to consult with the sector before she wanted to 45 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: meet with her. I think Willow has absolutely admitted herself 46 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: that she could have handled that situation better. 47 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 2: Ken, You've got to explain something here, Chippy. Either Willow 48 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: Gene is just i Q impaired and couldn't see that 49 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: this might be a good idea to take this meeting, 50 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: or she just couldn't be bothered because she's lazy. So 51 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: which of the two is it? 52 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: No? I totally reject that. When I tried to meet 53 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: with Nikki Kay when she was the National Party Education 54 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: and I was the Ministry of Education, it took several 55 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: months for us to organize that meeting as well. We 56 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: got there in the end and that was a good thing. 57 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: So why didn't Willo Jin take up the opportunity? What 58 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: was it? 59 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: Ohish she should have and I think she has admitted 60 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: that she should have. It wasn't that she wasn't intending to. 61 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: I just think she didn't communicate whether at the Stanford 62 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: what she was doing. 63 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: Now, where are you on the matter of a Palestinian state? 64 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: Do we recognize it or not? 65 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: It's well in truly time for New Zealand to recognize 66 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: a Palestinian state. It's the right thing to do. 67 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: And do we do it in September. 68 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: I think we do it as soon as we can. 69 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: Other countries are doing it. New Zealand has always been 70 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: independent in these things. We shouldn't wait for the rest 71 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: of the world to do it so that we can 72 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: follow along behind. We should show some leadership and do 73 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: it now. 74 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: Okay, thanks very much, shop, we appreciated Chris Hopkins's leader 75 00:02:58,760 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: of the Labor Party. 76 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to 77 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: News Talks itt B from four p m. 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