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Speaker 1: With the Heads Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Slow It Down.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, PJ Harding, and this podcast is

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Speaker 1: all around how we can find peace in the chaos.

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Speaker 1: Chaos is not going anywhere, I've learned that much. So

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Speaker 1: it's about finding ways that we can stay sane and

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Speaker 1: ground it in this wild world that we're living in.

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Speaker 1: And every week I've got a new guest who comes

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Speaker 1: on to share parts of their life and things that

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Speaker 1: help them when they're struggling. This week, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: the gorgeous Sam Frost, who burst onto the scene in

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Speaker 1: Australia when she appeared on season two of The Bachelor

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Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. There was quite the dramatic ending to

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Speaker 1: the season.

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Speaker 2: You can look that up on line.

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Speaker 1: But then Sam went on to start in the first

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Speaker 1: season of The Bachelorette Australia. She then went on to

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Speaker 1: do radio starring Home in a Way. She has become

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Speaker 1: a vocal mental health advocate and written her own book

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Speaker 1: called Believe by Sam Frost, and she this is the

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Speaker 1: coolest Thing. Most recently has gone around Australia and a

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Speaker 1: caravan with her partner and their one year old Ted

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Speaker 1: and they've filmed their travels, which we documented at a

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Speaker 1: new TV show, which I think is living the dream.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: Sitting down with Sam and having a chat and we

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Speaker 1: do cover a range of issues from cancel culture to

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Speaker 1: bringant see to the surprises of motherhood, and we talk

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Speaker 1: about her.

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Speaker 2: Own mental health struggles.

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Speaker 1: So a reminder if you're in ensis one seven three

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Speaker 1: seven is a free service for Kiwi's feeling down, anxious,

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Speaker 1: a bit overwhelmed, or if you just need to chat someone,

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Speaker 1: you can call or text anytime for free. Twenty four seven.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the chat. I am very excited for

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Speaker 1: our guest on the show today. Now I don't want

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Speaker 1: to make this about me, but we actually have a

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Speaker 1: few things in common. I'm finding you have a gorgeous

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Speaker 1: young son called Teddy ted Titty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ted Teddy whatever, and.

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Speaker 1: Now you're expecting baby double two.

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Speaker 2: I am congratulations, thank.

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Speaker 3: You so much. I'm really excited. Yeah. So the little

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Speaker 3: ones due in March next year. So I'm past halfway. Marcus,

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Speaker 3: I'm statid, which.

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Speaker 2: Are you so? How many how many weeks?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: You know what? I can't really like twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: Three I'm twenty tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: You are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh it's horrible, arendous?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm so sorry. How long did it

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Speaker 3: take me to get okay again?

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Speaker 1: It was probably maybe like probably zoo teen sixteen weeks,

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Speaker 1: But then still I've definitely been more nauseous this time around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's so funny.

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Speaker 4: I was exactly the same, And I've got girlfriends that

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Speaker 4: are now having their second and saying the same thing,

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Speaker 4: like everyone's just feeling really nauseous and vomity.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because we just don't get

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Speaker 2: It's time round.

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Speaker 1: So the body's like, hey, then, like, can you look

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Speaker 1: after me?

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to turn my back on you.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, it's wild.

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Speaker 4: I was like a couch potato, like literally stuck on

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Speaker 4: a couch for like two months.

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Speaker 3: It was awful.

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Speaker 1: Oh and so what were you doing during that time?

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Speaker 1: Have you been, because obviously you've been filming this epic

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's, oh my gosh, I'm so bad. Like months,

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Speaker 1: It's funny when you like get beyond the months because

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Speaker 2: Then you just lose track.

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Speaker 4: Oh I don't know, and I don't have the brain

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Speaker 4: it is. And I'm like, I don't know, Like his

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Speaker 1: So how did it fall into place with everything you're

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Speaker 3: Oh? Do you know what?

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Speaker 4: It was so funny because we were actually caravanning.

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Speaker 3: He's a little caravan baby, this one, because the caravan through.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a two year old called Charlie.

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Speaker 4: Great, so you'll get it. So I was like, it

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Speaker 3: So it was actually the first time I was like

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Speaker 4: I was like, my body was getting back, I was

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Speaker 3: I was having some cocktails and I.

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Speaker 4: Was like, this is great, like, hallo, Sam, I've missed

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Speaker 3: We got a little bit too excited. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: two is on the way.

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Speaker 2: So I love it lot.

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Speaker 1: It's such a good feeling when you start kind of

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Speaker 1: remembering what it was like to feel kind of normal

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Speaker 1: once you come out of that postpartum haze.

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Speaker 4: And now that like we've gone like back to back,

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Speaker 4: It's been years since I've felt like myself. I said

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know what it's been the last couple

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Speaker 1: It is stupid the stuff, And I'm like, I have

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I don't know anymore, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: I was just like, I'm so sorry. I was just

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Speaker 1: You wake up from it and then you're like, oh

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Speaker 4: Yeah, seriously, honestly, it's really crazy, but yeah I did.

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Speaker 4: Actually I had to apologize. I was like, I know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah you still do you reckon? You're selling the sweet

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Speaker 1: Okay, that is really fucking hard.

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Speaker 1: I loved hearing the very real fears that you had

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Speaker 2: About themselves, right, But it shouldn't have to be that.

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Speaker 4: Like he's like he's like the funny funny and I

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Speaker 3: So you know, you you might. She was, You're gonna have.

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Speaker 4: So saying apologizing to your child is what is so

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Speaker 1: So it's it's owning your behavior because that first of all,

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Speaker 3: And I was just like, gee, that's not too bad.

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Speaker 4: So when I talk to my friends and family about it,

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Speaker 2: When you are in a really.

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Speaker 1: Tough space mentally and you just need to break free

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Speaker 3: Me sort of like shift through my brain and ground me.

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Speaker 4: And all I'm doing is telling my body that I'm

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Speaker 4: So there are two things that I find really easy

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Speaker 4: I'm not doing that, like you know, especially when you're

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Speaker 3: One's doing that.

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Speaker 4: To you know, you would get anxious and you' if

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Speaker 4: You were not going to solve anything in a text message.

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Speaker 4: That is what I would tell my younger self because.

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Speaker 3: Now in the amount of times you're.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what though, when you get those rage

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, you know, and like just obsessively checking

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Speaker 4: And I guess that's like being in a public as

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Speaker 3: So the fear was validated.

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Speaker 4: You know, because I'm like, well, every time I do

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Speaker 2: So why do you do it to yourself?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 2: Why do we do it to ourselves.

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Speaker 3: Because we're dumb.

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Speaker 4: And it's really funny because now I have such a

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Speaker 3: It's not here, it's not real.

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Speaker 4: in front of you. And the tiny computer that's in

446
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 4: your head actually isn't the real world. You know.

447
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: I am fascinated to know the true harm that it's

448
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: actually doing to us, Like, oh, there is no good.

449
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean there are some good things that come from it.

450
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 1: That there's so many harmful things that are coming from

451
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: that little device.

452
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 3: So many harmful things. It's wild.

453
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 4: And then you even think about how your algorithms designed.

454
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 3: It's designed to cause outrage.

455
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 4: It knows what your beliefs are, and it will deliberately

456
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 4: trigger things in you. It's deliberately triggering things in you so.

457
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 3: You stay on the app for longer.

458
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 4: So they're deliberately making something, designing something to inflict anxiety

459
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 4: on you, to make you obsessed, to make you addicted,

460
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 4: to bring.

461
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 3: Up all these emotions.

462
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 4: Because if you're outraged, I've read this study, if you're outraged,

463
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 4: you're more likely to stay on social media than if

464
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 4: you're in a happy headspace.

465
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: So that's so stup.

466
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 4: So it is, and like you know, and it's so

467
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 4: wild to me that and I see and because I'll

468
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 4: go on every now and again, and then I see people.

469
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: Just buy it up, and you're like.

470
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: Go out, get off your phone. Life is actually beautiful

471
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: if you look right out aside. But you're right, we're

472
00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 1: addicted to the next thing constantly, like jumping on having

473
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: an opinion, all right, next thing. Literally a day will

474
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: pass and there's a brand new thing that's like, but

475
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: I thought you kid so much about that. No, No,

476
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: there's a new thing to get expletly outraged and hateful

477
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: and nasty about.

478
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: It's I think, Yeah, I was.

479
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: So.

480
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: I was on here in Melbourne pre COVID, and it

481
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: was just it was really toxic. Not the people I

482
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: was working with, but just we were going into a

483
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: really toxic time and then COVID happened, And I know

484
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: you went through a bloody tough time as you were

485
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: literally just trying to have an open, honest conversation on

486
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: your social media platform and then people went and on you,

487
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: canceled you.

488
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: You were a victim of cancel culture.

489
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: Looking back, that must be pretty traumatic for you.

490
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it was.

491
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 4: It's hard to believe that it was even it even happened. Like,

492
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 4: I feel so removed from it now, you know, I

493
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 4: just feel so at the time I was really affected

494
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 4: by it, obviously, and but even now I still see

495
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 4: people trying to have conversations on there.

496
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: And there is only one way you're allowed to think

497
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 3: these days.

498
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 4: There's mainstream media tells you you have to think this way,

499
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 4: and if you don't think that way, then you're in

500
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 4: like everyone's entitled to pile up on you and have

501
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 4: a goal at you.

502
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: And it's not it's not how a debate looks.

503
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: It's not it's not healthy in any way for there

504
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: just to always be one perspective on everything and you're

505
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: right just sort of go through issues. It does feel

506
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: that way, and if you even just try, and you

507
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: try your beasts to kind of articulate, you just feel

508
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: like you're getting wrong. So then people just don't even engage.

509
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: And I think people just kind of shut themselves out

510
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: because you're just so worried that you're going to get canceled.

511
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think, you know, I just think it's

512
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 4: it's wild and I'll have the thing is like, what

513
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 4: am I best girlfriends? We have completely different points of

514
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 4: view of life, political opinions.

515
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not too political anyway, but I'm curious.

516
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: I find myself curious.

517
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, like, even the whole Trump thing, right, I'm like,

518
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 4: why did everyone vote for him?

519
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: So I was like listening to some of.

520
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 4: His podcasts and I was like trying to understand and

521
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 4: it's and that's just my personality, Like I'm not the

522
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 4: type of person that goes you think like.

523
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: That you're a bad person. Yeah, I don't talk to me,

524
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: like tell me why you think that.

525
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 4: You know, I've got a friend that thinks it's fantastic

526
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 4: Trump got in And I was like, that's really I

527
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 4: find that really interesting because I don't know that opinion.

528
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: I don't have that point of view.

529
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to cancel you as a friend

530
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: because I think that because the reason that your opinion

531
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: is like there is because of the experiences that you've

532
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: had that have shaped you through your life. And that

533
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: doesn't make you right or wrong for the way that

534
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 1: you see it. It's so frustrating, isn't it?

535
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 3: And isn't it interesting to have different points of view?

536
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: Is it interesting to have a different.

537
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 4: Conversation like I find And she raised some really valid

538
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 4: points and I was just like that's really interesting, and

539
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 4: I like having these conversations and I like immersing myself

540
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 4: with interesting people that have different beliefs because or else,

541
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 4: if you were just living in an echo chamber of

542
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 4: what you think, you're never going to open your mind up,

543
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: You're never going to see things differently, You're never gonna

544
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: learn or grow because you're just like, I'm right, my

545
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 4: opinion is right, this is right. And then that's how

546
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 4: you have this really toxic culture. And that's probably one

547
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 4: thing that I still think about that time in COVID,

548
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 4: And I just think because now even the conversations that

549
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: I was having back then are happening now, and I'm like,

550
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 4: it's like.

551
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 3: Four years two late.

552
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: Guys like I'm trying to talk about this, and no

553
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 4: one wanted to have the conversation, and now people going

554
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 4: actually giving me something you were saying was like, you know,

555
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 4: maybe then everyone's mental health was really affected during that time.

556
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: O chay, that's interesting. You know, it's just it's just crazy.

557
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: So you just I just yeah, it was a really wild.

558
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: Was it a hard time to sort of wigde you

559
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: through your way through the industry after that, having all

560
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: these labels put on you called Eddie Vick's, I know

561
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: you're immunize you even got the jabs in the inns,

562
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, have you found it really hard to shake that?

563
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

564
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 4: I don't I don't pay enough attention to it, to

565
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 4: be honest. I still work, like I still work, I

566
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: still do things. I just don't consume it anymore. And

567
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 4: I just think, yeah, I mean, it's just not real.

568
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: And if and people love chucking a label on people

569
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 4: love like generals love writing hectic articles, heavily criticisized articles.

570
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 3: They love writing baby.

571
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 4: Headlines, and you're like, you guys have to live with

572
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 4: yourself doing that, like you know, and that's.

573
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: Actually not real. And the people who know me, all

574
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 3: my friends and my family know me so well, and

575
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 3: they know that that is not what I'm like.

576
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 4: I'm actually just a curious person that likes having conversations

577
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: about difficult things and interesting things that you know.

578
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: Now, like four years later, I can say.

579
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 4: I can say that I feel really peaceful about everything

580
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 4: that happened, but at the time I wasn't at all obviously,

581
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, I just think you don't actually know me.

582
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 4: And if you're going to check those labels on me,

583
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 4: go for it, because that's actually not true.

584
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: It must have been really interesting when you went into

585
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: the reality TV world and then like prior to that,

586
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: you'd never had that exposure and all of these people

587
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: in the public telling you what they think of you.

588
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: How hard was it to not believe everything that you

589
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: read at the beginning?

590
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean it was, well, it was interesting

591
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: because I even felt like that during that as well.

592
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 4: It was really it was one of the most shocking

593
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: things I think I've ever experienced, is real is and

594
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 4: because like my season of The Bachelor blew up into

595
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 4: this media frenzy.

596
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: And so that was really bizarre to me.

597
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 4: And I remember just going to my sister's house and

598
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 4: just laying We're just being like, these people think that

599
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 4: they know me, but they don't. So it's been like

600
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: a consistent feeling throughout my career. But yeah, it was

601
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: really shocking. I kind of feel like I was like,

602
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: it's a different person, Like I just like I see

603
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: the person that they think I am, and I'm like,

604
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 4: that's not who I am, And so you're forming opinions

605
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 4: on who you think is me.

606
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: And I found it hard if.

607
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 4: I would, like, you know, go out somewhere and people

608
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 4: think that they know who you are or they get

609
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 4: or One thing I always find is like, randomly, you know,

610
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 4: friends or colleagues will say to me, oh I met

611
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 4: so Russell Crow and he's jerk. You know.

612
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: I would just use that as an example. No one

613
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: has actually said that, but that's just an example, right,

614
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: And I'll be like, oh, do you actually know him?

615
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: Like he could have been having a bad day, he

616
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 4: could have been had a lot of personal stresses, he

617
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: could have been Like I hate when people will have

618
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 4: a brief encounter with someone and label them like something

619
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 4: you know, and I'm just like, you have no idea

620
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: what was going on in that person's life.

621
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 3: So I get really defensive of that.

622
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 4: So anytime someone trust to badmount someone in the public eye,

623
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 4: I'm always like, you don't actually know.

624
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: Them on you because someone is always fighting a better

625
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: and you don't even know what's actually going on underneath.

626
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: And like, yeah, someone will come and comment and they'll

627
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: give you their two cents and then they can just

628
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: pass off, But that's lived with you. They don't realize

629
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: the impact that actually has on you.

630
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

631
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: So you meet your partner Jordie.

632
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: He seems like a real down to earth lad, Like

633
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: do you reckon that has.

634
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: Kept you sane. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, Jordy's the best.

635
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: He's so down to earth, he's so funny, you know,

636
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 4: he has you know, he's just an amazing person. He

637
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 4: sees the world in an amazing way. And yeah, and we.

638
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: Have a really fun live together.

639
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: We travel around and he definitely keeps me saying I think,

640
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: and my brothers keep me saying as well, like they

641
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: and my sister, Like, I've got really close relationships with

642
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 4: my siblings, and they always keep you grounded, like no

643
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: matter what. So that's always an important thing. But I think, yeah,

644
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 4: having your own family and having a partner that loves

645
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: you so fiercely and passionately, Yeah, it just makes you

646
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: feel more secure.

647
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: It makes you feel grounded, and it makes you just

648
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: you know.

649
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 4: So I'll go out to Sydney and go do some

650
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: busy work stuff and then I come home to my family,

651
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: come home to Jordan and Ted and my sister down

652
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 4: the road and my nieces, and you're.

653
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: Like, oh, this is so nice. This is exactly what

654
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: it's about.

655
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 4: You know, my niece's soccer games on Saturday, Like you know,

656
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: that's that's what's important. So all this other stuff is fun.

657
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 4: I like being creative. I like I even like going

658
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 4: to things. I like dressing up and seeing my makeup

659
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: artists and having fun having a champagne with her, and

660
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 4: you know, I like doing those things. But I also

661
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 4: am very happy to come home to my family.

662
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

663
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what happens when you have

664
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: a baby, because I find exactly the same thing. Nothing

665
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: hits like getting home after going to this because we

666
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: live roually here in New Zealand, and I might even

667
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: be just gone for a day or two and I

668
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: come back and I'm like, oh my god, I love

669
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: I love this and I never want to leave this

670
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: and the city's nice to visit, but just coming home

671
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: as just like a warm, big hug. And I don't

672
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: know if that's because my baby's there now and that

673
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: like has it a massive impact on me, or I'm

674
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: just getting older.

675
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: But there's something so beautiful about that.

676
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 4: It is, isn't it. It's like your warm safe space. Yeah,

677
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 4: so I think that's nice. I think it's really good.

678
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: I think it's healthy to have that. And I think

679
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: you'll like to have.

680
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 4: A successful career and no matter what field you're in,

681
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: you know, you have to have a safe time to

682
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: come home too, or else I think you might get

683
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 4: a little bit.

684
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: Lost in it.

685
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about maybe number two coming and

686
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: making work? Heaven and the balance and the juggle? Is

687
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: that all kind of come on your mind where you're like,

688
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: I will just deal with it. Well, I get yeah.

689
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: It's funny. Well I actually feel sorry.

690
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: I feel a bit sorry for this baby because I

691
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 4: haven't Like with Ted. I was just like, here's the

692
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: signs bananana now, and this is what I'm like, I'm

693
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 4: too busy.

694
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: Like do you forget you're pregnant some days?

695
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah?

696
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: Same?

697
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 4: You know it was even funny like my mother in

698
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: laws here and she poured a glass of wine.

699
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, oh wait pregnant.

700
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 4: I was like, I just keep forgetting for it. And

701
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh wait, I can't sorry about that. So yeah,

702
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 4: I sort of keep forgetting unpregnant. But in terms of yeah,

703
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 4: I mean, this one's an interesting one because I think

704
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: when I had Ted, I knew that I wanted to

705
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: have a second one. So I sort of was like

706
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: dibbling a little bit of work, like doing a bit

707
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: of radio, doing a bit of like this and that,

708
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: and then and we traveled for it.

709
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: We've got to travel show here, so that was really fun.

710
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's different with this second one because I

711
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: know that this is probably the last one I want

712
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 4: to have. And then so once we get him in

713
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: a nice comfy age, I'm really excited to get back

714
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 4: to work. Actually, I'm excited to be creative again and

715
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 4: actually use my brain. So I think, you know, as

716
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 4: much as i'm I think I've learned a lot during

717
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 4: this period of time to be able to balance it

718
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 4: properly hopefully anyway, to be able to go and do work,

719
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 4: and then you know, my family can come with me.

720
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: We've got a pretty flexible lifestyle, and then we can

721
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 4: go and travel and then we can you know, do

722
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 4: other bits and pieces. But I think, yeah, I definitely,

723
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 4: I'm definitely looking forward to being creative again.

724
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 2: Do you reckon you'll get into acting again?

725
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I hope so.

726
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 4: I love acting, but you know, the roles are so

727
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 4: far and few between, you know, even for my girlfriends

728
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 4: who are like auditioning constantly, going, going, going, going, Like

729
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 4: you know, it's a bit of a habster wheel sometimes.

730
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 4: So I like to be realistic. So I'm putting it

731
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 4: out to the universe that I'm ready and willing to work.

732
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: What that comes back to me with is I don't

733
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: I don't know what that's going to be, and I've

734
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 4: never known what that's going to be.

735
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: So I find that exciting.

736
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: I love that toe like following what feels good following

737
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: you get into aition and it somehow just all works out.

738
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: You're literally living the dream though filming a TV shot

739
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: going round in a caravan like did you did you

740
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: deliberately manifest that or did that just up?

741
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 3: It just happened, and this is what happens in life.

742
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 4: So we because Jordan and I love traveling and we

743
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 4: were doing this huge ship around Australia and I was

744
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 4: like posting that occasionally on social media and people were like, oh, man,

745
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: like you should film it, and we didn't have the

746
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 4: capacity to do that, so we just did a podcast.

747
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: And then a production company who I'd worked with previously

748
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 4: reached out to us and they're like, oh my gosh,

749
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 4: like the podcast, we love it, we want to turn

750
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 4: it into a Telly show. And we were just like, well,

751
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't even I didn't even envision that,

752
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: but it's the best thing ever. So we did season

753
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 4: one traveling around, and we just filmed it ourselves and

754
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 4: then they would come and do like little segments and

755
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 4: bits and pieces.

756
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: But they wanted it to be like a fly in

757
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: the wall.

758
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 4: Type show where it's just us cruising around. I think

759
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 4: you know, YouTube makes like that's that version of filming

760
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 4: has become quite popular anyway, So the production company is like,

761
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 4: we love it, and then we just and ship off

762
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 4: the footage Todam and they edit it together. And we're

763
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 4: about to go on another trip for season two actually,

764
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 4: and it's going to be a little bit different because

765
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 4: I'm pregnant and grumpy, so.

766
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: Hey know that they'll give the heightened dramatic you know,

767
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: says where you're the villain.

768
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 4: Last time it was last time it was like Bushwise

769
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: and you know, and now.

770
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 3: It's just like this pregnant lady like anyway, but it'll

771
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: be really fun.

772
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: That is loving the dream. I love it.

773
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: And do you see that kind of got like how

774
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: comel would it be to go around the world and

775
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: do like a full on travel show with two babies

776
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: in total?

777
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: Imagine that.

778
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 4: Well, we always say that we're like, oh man, we

779
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 4: should go, like because we always we'll just be seeing

780
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 4: it home. We're like, we should go to Japan and

781
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 4: we could film the travel show in Japan.

782
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: And so we always dream about it.

783
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: Who knows what's going to happen, hey, but yeah, that

784
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 4: would be really fun. It would be quite chay to

785
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 4: be two children and yeah, that would be.

786
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: For They call it world schooling.

787
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: I know, I know someone with two kids at the

788
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: moment and they're going through Europe and they call it,

789
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: I think it's world schooling or something like that, and

790
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: it's like your classroom is around the world and then

791
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: you just go through different countries. It's pretty It would

792
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: be hectic and stressful, but like the memories you create

793
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: that would.

794
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 4: Be so cool, you know. And so they're teaching, like

795
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 4: educating their kids on the.

796
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: Road, is that what?

797
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean the kids are still like toddler,

798
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: like they're not at school yet, but but you know,

799
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: the world is their classroom in the sense that they

800
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: kind of learn culturally through all these different countries and

801
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: pretty evac pretty cool.

802
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: That's really fun.

803
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 4: But you even see like every time we do a trip,

804
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 4: Ted comes back and he's so like he loves being outside,

805
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 4: he loves people.

806
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: He's just a really curious cat.

807
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: So I think that it helps him massively because he just,

808
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: you know, and we'll go up to random kids and

809
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 4: start playing with them, and I think it's fantastic for him.

810
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: And he just like will get a stick and just

811
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: play with stick and just hit me.

812
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 4: Like like there's he loves like just walking past things

813
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: and it's like tapping things, and like he just will

814
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 4: find entertainment with a rock.

815
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: That's perfect.

816
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

817
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: Do you think you can ever be a tiny home family?

818
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: Were you full time love that life?

819
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 4: Ah? Sometimes yes, I would say yes, and sometimes I

820
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 4: would say no.

821
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 3: It depends on my mood.

822
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 4: I just think sometimes I'm just like this caravan, it's

823
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 4: too small and I need some space. I also, I'm

824
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: quite an introverted person, so I do like my own

825
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 4: space and I recharge alone. So when I've got lots

826
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 4: of energies around me, I become very exhausted.

827
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would be able to do it for.

828
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 4: A big stint of time, but then I would have

829
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 4: to go home.

830
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: And we did a caravan interrupt the other day and

831
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: I just like came to the conclusion that you have

832
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: to minimalize and get rid of all your shit.

833
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: I reckon, like if you're.

834
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: Going on a caravan, drop just keep it so fun

835
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: with your staff because it just clogs up the place

836
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: so quickly.

837
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: Oh mate, it really does. Did you enjoy it?

838
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: Loved it? Absolutely?

839
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: Loved it? And I found like we started getting our

840
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: grove just as we were about to leave, like you

841
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: sort of start getting into your own little routines and stuff.

842
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: But I regretted packing as much as I did. But

843
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: then I'm like, well, I Chalie kind of needed those clothes,

844
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: but it just feels like you just want to get

845
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: rid of all of your belongings, which I guess is

846
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: a good leason out of it, right, Yeah.

847
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, And even we found that we tweets like

848
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: we packed all these things to keep ten and entertained,

849
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 4: and he only.

850
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: Liked playing with like his bloss He's that much for him.

851
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: And then he's just outside, like I said before, we

852
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 4: sticks and rocks and just you know, playing, And I'm

853
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 4: just like, oh man, we really didn't need to pack

854
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: like a whole draw full of just sahit.

855
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

856
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good lesson, it is.

857
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 3: And like kids will find entertainment no matter where they are.

858
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: Totally.

859
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 4: Now.

860
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: I always wrap up the podcast with advice that you

861
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: give to your younger self. I did he say that

862
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: you don't need to see in the text messages.

863
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: You need to see?

864
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you'd add with a profound

865
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: note to wrap up the podcast?

866
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. What would I tell my

867
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: younger self? I think I would tell like, I think

868
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 3: I would tell.

869
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 4: My younger self that you're going to be okay, Like

870
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 4: you are going to be okay. Everything's going to be okay,

871
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 4: because when you're younger, when you get hit with speed bumps,

872
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 4: they've really hit, you know, and even even all the

873
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 4: stuff that I went through at home and away during

874
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 4: COVID and all that stuff that really hit and at

875
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 4: the time I was just like, I don't know how

876
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: I'm going to get over this. And then you do

877
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: and you end up being okay and everything's okay.

878
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: You learn a valuable lesson and then you get a

879
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: little bit stronger, and then the Nuther speak comes. You know,

880
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: it's so like you're like, well, I guess you again,

881
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: But I.

882
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 4: Just think, you know, just that validating feeling of being

883
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 4: like You're going to be okay. Everything's working out and

884
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: this is all part of the whole journey. And even

885
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 4: though it doesn't make sense right now, I promise you

886
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 4: in the future it'll make sense.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Sam.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much rejoining me on Slow Dance. And

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Speaker 1: I was so lovely to probably meet you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Well, that was my chat with Sam Frost. She was

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Speaker 1: so easy to talk to, such a lovely done earth

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Speaker 1: human and I just love the life that she's creating

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Speaker 1: with her partner.

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Speaker 2: And their baby. And they're just doing it.

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Speaker 1: They're just going out and doing it and creating the

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Speaker 1: dream life. I really enjoyed her take on motherhood and

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Speaker 1: her she really enjoyed it and her she felt so

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Speaker 1: inadequate in the build up that you know, she was

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Speaker 1: not going to be enough, she wasn't going to be

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Speaker 1: the secure attachment for her child. But she went and

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Speaker 1: she saw the psychologist and the things that she learned

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Speaker 1: as well as a parent. I just found that really

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Speaker 1: affirming to hear that only thirty percent of the time

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Speaker 1: you need to nail it and it comes down to

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Speaker 1: how you prepare the situation and you know, owning up

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Speaker 1: when new stuff up and saying sorry and not putting

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Speaker 1: the blame on the kid. So that made me feel

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Speaker 1: less of a failing mother, which was really nice. I

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Speaker 1: also just loved the simplicity of the phone and how

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Speaker 1: toxic it is. She's obviously learned that firsthand through being

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Speaker 1: on social media and rising to fame on reality TV

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Speaker 1: where everyone weighs in on you, and obviously there have

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Speaker 1: been some real challenges along.

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Speaker 2: The way, particularly through COVID.

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Speaker 1: Oh my God, of course you'd want to three find

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Speaker 1: a way, but it seems like she's grown and she's

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Speaker 1: learned through that time, and she obviously has a really

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Speaker 1: strong network around her. That family unit has helped ground

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Speaker 1: her and made her realize, you know, what really matters,

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Speaker 1: and that half of the shite that we see on

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Speaker 1: the eternet is not real. Sometimes you just need to

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Speaker 1: get outside, take a deep breath, and walk away.

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Speaker 2: From it all.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to know what you got out of this

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Speaker 1: week's episode. It was a delight to chat to Sam.

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Speaker 1: I've got another episode coming out next week, but if

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Speaker 1: you've got any suggestions on who you think would be

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Speaker 1: great to talk to, you can always hit me up

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Speaker 1: on Instagram at Pja DJ and I'll see you back

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Speaker 1: next week for another episode.