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Speaker 2: The la designed to intrigue and use Tog's head be.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're welcome today we're inter key to work out

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Speaker 3: what they do next. Now the States have hit pause.

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Speaker 3: New reports suggest gangs run prisons and we might need

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the day, seven past six. What we got yesterday,

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Speaker 3: previous week being endlessly lampooned for his performance on the show,

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Speaker 3: refusing to deal with the word sack and yes, as

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Speaker 3: regards Andrew Bailey, what came out yesterday was an asseritive

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Speaker 3: The maker Marmite sandwich line was picked up and run

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Speaker 3: with all day by the media. Of course, stuff even

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Speaker 3: well and truly had the PM on the right side

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Speaker 3: of the public's thing. Guess what, there is nothing wrong

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Speaker 3: with the sandwich and dubtailed in with the sandwich example

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Speaker 3: and this is a bit of a trait. Up until

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Speaker 3: solve it. You see, you only solve something if there's

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Speaker 3: something to solve. Now, my argument has been once we

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Speaker 3: hungry kids. As unfashionable as it may be, lunch in

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Speaker 3: my school life has never actually been a problem. Lunch

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Speaker 3: It was grab and run. We were into sport. Lunch

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Speaker 3: And you know what happened if we forgot to dump it,

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Speaker 3: It was tomorrow's serving. You didn't make that mistake too often.

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Speaker 3: If you didn't like what mum made, you made it yourself,

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Speaker 3: which of course you didn't. Once in a blue moon

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Speaker 3: the world has changed, but not that dramatically. A sandwich

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Speaker 3: it's still relevant. The Prime Minister reminded us of that,

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Speaker 3: and in doing so positioned himself nicely with the vast

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Speaker 3: professional moaning class, propped up by a compliant clickbait driven media.

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Speaker 2: Who news of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 3: So Americas had paused, So what do we have the

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Speaker 4: President is trying to send a very explicit message the

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Speaker 3: Russians can't believe they're luck.

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Speaker 5: Of course, details are yet to be learned, but if

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Speaker 3: In the other war. Israel has stopped the humanitarian ators

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Speaker 8: Led the elections, including settlement, expansion and sets of annexation.

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Speaker 9: Violence must end. Israel as the occupying power, must comply

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Speaker 3: because for some reason there was second guessing Trump China's

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Speaker 10: We have therefore decided to respond with tariff and non

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Speaker 3: When she says next Sunday, she means this Sunday. Of course,

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Speaker 3: Does she notice that she's actually running the country, She's

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Speaker 8: This is not an easy last twenty four hours to

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Speaker 8: So the tariffs are here, the battle lines are drawn.

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Speaker 8: We talked yesterday morning after we spoke uish share markets

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Speaker 8: I just in a commentary yesterday, I've described US policy

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Speaker 8: at what point does he go, Oh, the share market's

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Speaker 8: We've got no idea at this point. I don't think

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Speaker 8: there's a lot of point in speculating because if you

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Speaker 8: go to chaos theory, Mic April seconds it's just too

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Speaker 8: far away. You can't seek and guess Trump with any

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. That's why we got you here, Andrew Kellahojmiwealth

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Speaker 3: Six twenty one. Here a news talk.

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Speaker 3: Get the fun of detail with Steve after eight thirty.

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Speaker 3: But we're watching Elfred today. It barrels towards the southern

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Speaker 3: I've got a niece in that part of the wild University.

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Speaker 3: They were sandbagging yesterday and they all got told to

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Speaker 14: Not in my habit to agree with the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 14: But Donald, they point out that even though you're a

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Speaker 14: We two friends fighting is exactly what our opponents around

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Speaker 14: the world want to see.

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Speaker 3: You made are not unreasonable, just one of them.

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Speaker 2: With Chemist Warehouse, the home of big brand vitamins.

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Speaker 3: You can do them all. Just take your time, not

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Speaker 3: all at once. Don't get carried away. We got a woman,

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Speaker 3: So this is eighteen year old Ellalina Fabianski. She was

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Speaker 4: Start start, shut your car off. Not just mright to

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Speaker 4: But she has yellows free paint from head to tee

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Speaker 4: of her dope over here. You really need to try

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Speaker 4: harder to try to be sneaky because you are god awful.

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Speaker 4: You got a spree paint of the wrong damn car. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I love that guy. He's my favorite cop. Tariffs. What's

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 3: Trump did say, you know, they might be a little

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Speaker 3: So it's going to be fascinated to all of us.

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Speaker 3: Richard Arnold, though shortly for.

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Speaker 1: You, the Mike hast games been faithful, then gaging and

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Speaker 3: Elbert at the moment. He is due, as I was saying,

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Speaker 14: As you've heard, Canadians are reasonable and we are polite,

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Speaker 2: It is at stake at the moment.

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Speaker 14: The US tariffs came into effect in the early hours

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Speaker 3: There's a long line of Donald and Steve Price later

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Speaker 3: of course, twenty two minutes away from seven back here.

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Speaker 3: Another report into the idea of congestion charging. This one

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Speaker 3: there's Timothy, morning.

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Speaker 15: To you morning.

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Speaker 9: Thanks for having you.

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Speaker 3: I argue all you want, but I always find these

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Speaker 15: Well, we can just look at the amount of time

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Speaker 9: It certainly not great.

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Speaker 15: I mean that's a lot of lost money and revenue,

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Speaker 15: So if you think what you could do with that

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Speaker 3: Can you then extrapo light if you accept those numbers

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Speaker 3: And how do you know?

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Speaker 15: Well, we can easily model kind of the demand for

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Speaker 3: When you sign New York, New York has only just started.

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Speaker 3: Do we already know what's happened in New York?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's great. In just two months since they started,

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Speaker 15: more space for buses to go quickly, for people to walk,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well that's right.

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Speaker 3: Telling me I can go down sixth Avenue now more

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Speaker 15: Yes, if you could believe it. People are plotting. It's

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Speaker 15: been a long time coming, a lot of political pushback.

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Speaker 15: Once it was implemented, traffic really started to decrease from

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Speaker 3: Okay, would you also argue London's because I've been there

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Speaker 3: Once you start charging a dollar, then it's a dollar

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Speaker 17: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 15: The trick with that is that we don't know what

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Speaker 15: London would just be a total quagmire if we looked

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Speaker 3: All right, good insight, Timothy, appreciate you, tim Timothy Welch

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Speaker 3: is not new, of course, these reports they come down.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't depends Little Whine actually does something about it

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Speaker 3: an archer. He said he would have a look at it.

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Speaker 3: Elbow was even worse. Elbow said, nah, now, we won't

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Speaker 3: hasn't got a clue either. Eighteen to two The.

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Speaker 3: Morning Mike, dealing with it now, Mate, Southern Motorway heading

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Speaker 3: into the city is stuffed at the moment six thirty

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Speaker 3: in the morning. He might be right, I guessed a

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Speaker 3: moment ago from January came in Jen five in New

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Speaker 3: York traffic in Manhattan Central Business District felt seven and

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Speaker 3: a half percent last week. That's from January, they say now,

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Speaker 3: and the latest is from February. They say now it's

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Speaker 3: eight percent. Two hundred and seventy three thousand fewer cars

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Speaker 3: entered the Boroughs Central Business District Traffic down Street feel

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Speaker 3: safe for buses moving faster. That's Jano Liba, who's the

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Speaker 3: Metropolitan Transport Authority had. Overall traffic times were thirty to

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Speaker 3: forty percent faster on inbound river crossings into Manhattan. They

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Speaker 3: forty five.

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Speaker 18: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance. Peace of mind

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Speaker 18: for New Zealand business from.

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Speaker 3: The other coach, Richardamad, morning to you. Hey, Michael, Well,

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Speaker 3: it's all on. It's war tariffs every front.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Most politicos would say that Trump won the last election

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Speaker 19: because of people's concerns about the economy here, starting with

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Speaker 19: a price of eggs due to birdflup. Now, as the

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Speaker 19: Trump terriffs have just taken effect against America's three biggest

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Speaker 19: trading partners by far, with that twenty five percent on

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Speaker 19: most goods from Canada and Mexico, and twenty percent on China.

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Speaker 19: Retailers here awarding that prices on a huge number of

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Speaker 19: consumer goods are going to increase starting in a couple

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Speaker 19: of days. Folks has famed investor Warren Buffett is saying

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Speaker 19: the tooth furry ain't going to pay them no, which

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Speaker 19: takes on consumers. This begins with vegetables. Two thirds of

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Speaker 19: importer vegetables come into this country from Mexico during the

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Speaker 19: winter months. Hear those prices will go up first. Leading

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Speaker 19: stores Mike, Target, Walmart, Best Buy, Home Depot all warning

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Speaker 19: of price spikes ahead. Wall Street stocks are falling. They've

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Speaker 19: already seen the sharpest declines this year. The S and

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Speaker 19: P began the session with a one point eight percent drop,

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Speaker 19: same as yesterday. The DAR was down by more than

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Speaker 19: seven hundred points yesterday, but over six hundred last time

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Speaker 19: I looked. The Trump tariffs also will hit car prices

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Speaker 19: in a big way. They're set to increase by at

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Speaker 19: least three hundred dollars New Zealand per car. Fuel prices

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Speaker 19: also will go up. Small appliances prices will rise. Toy

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Speaker 19: industry says they could be devastated by olives. Their rupert Murdock.

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Speaker 19: Wall Street Journal is headlining its op ed now quote

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Speaker 19: Trump takes the dumbest tariff plunge. It warns that the

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Speaker 19: journal had quote courted mister Trump's aire by calling the

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Speaker 19: Mexico and candidate levies the dumbest in history. But they

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Speaker 19: say we may have understated the point, adding Trump is

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Speaker 19: whacking friends, not adversaries.

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Speaker 2: End quote.

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Speaker 19: However, we are seeing that trump Ism is not about

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Speaker 19: alliances right, It's about deals at the moment. Canada, also,

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Speaker 19: as you've noted, is calling the Trump tariffs very dumb,

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Speaker 19: but says Canada won't back down from a fight. Says

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Speaker 19: there Pm Trudeau further on this, we.

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Speaker 2: Don't want this.

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Speaker 14: We want to work with you as a friend and ally,

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Speaker 14: and we don't want to see you hurt either. But

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Speaker 14: your government has chosen to do this to you.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 19: Canada is responding with an initial list of retaliatory tariffs,

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Speaker 19: with more set to take effect over the next twenty

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Speaker 19: one days. Mexico also will retaliate. The White House says

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Speaker 19: this it's all about immigration concerns and worries about the

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Speaker 19: smuggling of fentanyl. Both Mexico and Canada have made moves

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Speaker 19: in recent times to titan laws on these fronts. But

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Speaker 19: when it comes to fentanyl in Canada, about one percent

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Speaker 19: that drug makes its way illegally through the US Canadian border,

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Speaker 19: So yeah about Canadian fedanl Right, then.

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Speaker 3: We come to speeches at nine o'clock East Coast time

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Speaker 3: to Congress. Of course, Zelensky's back down. So does that

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Speaker 3: mean he can say something about the minerals thing tonight?

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 19: Who knows what he said tonight? It will certainly be

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Speaker 19: an unusual addressed to the Joint Session in the Congress.

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Speaker 19: But yeah, Trump has announced in the background of all

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Speaker 19: it's a pause in the US military aid to Ukraine

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Speaker 19: in the wake of that fiasco the other day. How

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Speaker 19: long would a pause be? Would it be a day

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Speaker 19: or three, few months?

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Speaker 3: Who knows?

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Speaker 6: Forever?

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Speaker 19: This is the Trump team contributes to lashing out on

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Speaker 19: Ukraine's Zelensky with more comments from Vice President Vance Today, Zelensky,

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Speaker 19: as you say, seems to be shifting ground on this.

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Speaker 19: He says he and his team are ready to work

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Speaker 19: now under President Trump's strong leadership, to get a piece

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Speaker 19: that last. Well, there's some diplos big for you, folks.

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Speaker 19: They really love each other right. VP Van says the

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Speaker 19: US still is open to doing a deal with Ukraine

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Speaker 19: on rare earth minerals, and Vance says he still thinks

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Speaker 19: that is on the table.

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Speaker 4: Well, I certainly do, and I think the President is

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Speaker 4: still committed to the mineral deal.

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Speaker 8: I think we've heard some positive things, but not yet

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Speaker 8: of course, the signature from our friends in Ukraine.

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Speaker 6: But look, the mineral deal is a really.

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Speaker 13: Important part of the President's policy.

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Speaker 8: Number one, the American people have got to get some payback.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, payback is his JD who is facing flak from

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Speaker 19: the Brits by describing the UK as quote, some random

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Speaker 19: country that hasn't caught a war.

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Speaker 6: In thirty years.

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Speaker 19: He's got away with Woods Vance, hasn't he? Democrat Schildon

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Speaker 19: white House Senator white House saying of the Pussia game

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Speaker 19: that we're seeing, what.

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Speaker 20: It looks like is extortion by Trump of Ukraine for Russia.

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Speaker 20: All of the pressure in the so called negotiation is

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Speaker 20: on the Ukrainian side. And I see the Vice President

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Speaker 20: of the President asked acting very directly as agents of

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Speaker 20: Putin and Russia in the so called negotiations. Imagine if

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Speaker 20: Franklin Delan Roosevelt had told Winston Churchill.

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Speaker 2: We're cutting off lendlease.

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Speaker 20: You have to negotiate with Hitler and be prepared to

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Speaker 20: give up some of your territory and put no pressure

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Speaker 20: on Hitler.

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Speaker 19: So that's the Democrats view. Are there assurances that put

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Speaker 19: in really your seeking piece? Is there any pressure on

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Speaker 19: Moscow in any of this? Meantime, the Kremlins say they

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Speaker 19: think you was policy now very much in line with Russia.

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Speaker 3: Stet Yeah, exactly, all right, speak at three pm this afternoon,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Time. Rich, appreciate it very much. Please explain

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Speaker 3: this is Trump on truth social a couple of moments.

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Speaker 3: Please explain to Governor Trudeau that when he puts on

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Speaker 3: a retelliatory tariff on the UF, our reciprocal tariff will

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Speaker 3: you know, fifteen thirty forty five, and so it goes

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Speaker 3: ten to seven.

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Speaker 2: The mic Hosking breakfast with the range rover of the

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Speaker 3: My great opinion piece by Richard Prebble on his resignation

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Speaker 3: from the way Tangy Tribunal on the Herald. The last

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Speaker 3: two paragraph summed up nicely. Read it very very good

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Speaker 3: piece of reading. If you can't get access to it,

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Speaker 3: will feature it this morning. But the government's got a

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Speaker 3: White Tangy Tribunal back in November, spent the holidays reading

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Speaker 3: up on what they're doing and has decided to quit.

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Speaker 3: And in that is an important point to be made.

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Speaker 3: Five minutes away from seven all the ins and the.

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Speaker 1: productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 3: So more than that. Fore, shortly meantime, numbers in from

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Speaker 3: the thirty seventh edition of the lou Auton America's Cup

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Speaker 3: Here are the numbers. Provided one point nine four billion

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Speaker 3: that injected sixty five million into the local economy. Twelve thousand,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and seventy two jobs were created during the tournament.

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Speaker 3: That equated to almost four hundred million dollars worth of

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Speaker 3: tax revenue. Local business has lapped it up. Ninety percent

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Speaker 3: One point eight million visitors were counted. That included four

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Speaker 3: audience nine hundred and fifty four million who watched over

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Speaker 3: lie so rapidly developing things going on this morning, Zelenski

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Speaker 3: moment ago, he wants to work with a strong leadership

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Speaker 3: of Trump, the minerals deal as a goer. I'm assuming

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Speaker 3: Trump's going to raise this in the Congress speech this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: As I say, at three o'clock New Zealand time will

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Speaker 3: get you to the middle of Kiev and find out

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Speaker 3: what's going on in that particular part of the world

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Speaker 3: in the moment whether or not this is heading towards

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Speaker 3: some sort of ceasefire or peace deal. Winston Peter's back

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Speaker 3: in the country. First chance to have a yarn since

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Speaker 3: he's had a word with the Chinese. He also stopped

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Speaker 3: in Korea, had a word with Hyundai, who every now

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Speaker 3: and again make a ferry or two. We've got a

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Speaker 3: three hundred million dollar break fee. Whether or not that

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Speaker 3: gets changed, whether they build new fairies, will have a

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Speaker 3: look at that. So Winston Peter's on the program after

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Speaker 3: seven thirty meantime News.

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Speaker 1: Is Next, News, Opinion and everything in between. Left the

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Speaker 3: Dogs head be seven past seven and so with America

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Speaker 3: hitting paus on the military aid for the war. The

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Speaker 3: a technic to get the mineral deal signed off? Key

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Speaker 3: based Foreign Policy and Security Animals Jimmy Rushton with This Morning,

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Speaker 3: Good Morning. Hes Zelyinsky caved when he sees, you know,

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Speaker 3: the bold leadership of Donald Trump and were ready to

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Speaker 3: go on minerals. Is this it was this a tectic

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Speaker 3: in its wood.

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Speaker 13: I think it is a tactic.

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Speaker 21: I wouldn't say that he's caved because the Ukrainians were

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Speaker 21: always prepared to sign this minerals deal. They would have

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Speaker 21: signed it, you know, in the White House a few

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Speaker 21: days ago. But obviously there was that unfortunate confrontation largely

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Speaker 21: initiated by J. D. Vance and Donald Trump, and then

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Speaker 21: Zelensky was asked to leave. But you know, now he's

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Speaker 21: kind of expressing regret for what happened, and I think,

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Speaker 21: to be honest, that's genuine. Everyone in the Ukraine government

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Speaker 21: regrets what's happened, and he's prepared to sign this deal

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Speaker 21: and attempt to rebuild a relationship with the White House.

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Speaker 3: Is there a realization that without America, Ukraine's finished?

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Speaker 21: I know, and to be honest, that's not actually true.

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Speaker 21: If you know, America is incredibly important. But right now

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Speaker 21: Ukraine provides around about forty to fifty percent of its

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Speaker 21: you know, war material production, and then you have the

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Speaker 21: Europeans and the Americans that provide around about twenty five

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Speaker 21: percent each. So without America it would be tough. But

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Speaker 21: there are you know, there are things that Ukrainians can do.

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Speaker 21: There's obviously things that Europeans can do, and also obviously

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Speaker 21: New Zealand and Australia, Japan, Ukraine's other allies outside of

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Speaker 21: Europe to kind of to fill that gap that that

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Speaker 21: America will leave. It will be a big gap, but

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Speaker 21: you know it is possible for those countries to replace

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Speaker 21: what America provides.

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Speaker 3: What vendor Lyne was talking about urbannight, the one in

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Speaker 3: our money one and a half trillion dollars in loans

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Speaker 3: and in other words, Europe's stepping up? Is that real

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Speaker 3: or is that just panic and panicked talk?

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Speaker 21: So look, I think there is panic here. There's panic everywhere,

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Speaker 21: especially in London at the moment, which is trying to

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Speaker 21: you know, Kistama won a lot of plaudits for handling Trump,

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Speaker 21: but then you know he's he really now has to

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Speaker 21: cash in those that relationship that he managed to build

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Speaker 21: because at the moment, it does seem like America is

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Speaker 21: on the verge of ending the Transatlantic Alliance, which has

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Speaker 21: served European and global security generally pretty well for the

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Speaker 21: last you know, since the Second World War, and there

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Speaker 21: is panic.

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Speaker 13: I think you're asking a lot of proposals.

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Speaker 21: Generally, what happens is some of these proposals move forward,

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Speaker 21: some of them don't for various reasons, but I think

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Speaker 21: there is there is a serious understanding that Europe will

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Speaker 21: have to spend money, have.

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Speaker 13: To step up, you know, have to take their security seriously.

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Speaker 3: Now this is why I can't understand Jiman. I can't

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Speaker 3: work out what Trump's trying to do. Is Trump trying

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Speaker 3: to do just a business deal, He's not interested in war.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to the table, let's get a ceasefire and

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Speaker 3: let's get this done. Or is Trump doing Russia's bidding

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Speaker 3: and you sign the minerals deal, so America gets a

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Speaker 3: whole bunch of stuff, Russia gets some land, and he's

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Speaker 3: out of there.

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Speaker 21: It's really difficult to kind of ascribe strategic thinking to

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Speaker 21: Donald Trump. He seems to be very very reactionary. He's

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Speaker 21: very transactional. I think, you know, he made these big

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Speaker 21: promises that he could end this war and they it

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Speaker 21: would be really, really easy.

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Speaker 13: And I suspect that he's found that actually.

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Speaker 21: You know, the Russian song could give an inch, and

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Speaker 21: he believes that he can more effectively threaten Ukraine to

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Speaker 21: agree to unfavorable terms, then he can threaten the Russians

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Speaker 21: to agree to unfavorable terms. And I think that's what's happening.

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Speaker 21: The problem is that the Americans really have overestimated their

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Speaker 21: power and they don't really understand the situation on the front,

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Speaker 21: which is not catastrophic for Ukraine really at all. The

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Speaker 21: Russians are looking pretty ragged currently, and you know, he

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Speaker 21: seems to be overplaying his hand.

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Speaker 13: You know, he likes these poker references. He said, Zelensky

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Speaker 13: has no no.

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Speaker 3: Cars and play.

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Speaker 13: Well, actually they do.

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Speaker 21: And you know, if he wants to end this war,

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Speaker 21: Ukraine has to agree to that as well.

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Speaker 13: Not just Russia.

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Speaker 3: What's it like in Kiev at the moment.

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Speaker 21: It's to be honest, it's not that bad. We've been

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Speaker 21: having quite heavy air raids for the last month or so,

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Speaker 21: a lot of these shahis, which are these Iranian supplied

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Speaker 21: Kamikazi drones. But in the last couple of days it's

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Speaker 21: been relatively quiet.

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Speaker 13: You know, we've got power.

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Speaker 21: The Ukrainian air defenses and the Ukrainian electricity guys have

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Speaker 21: been absolutely amazing. We haven't really had any power cuts

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Speaker 21: this winter compared to the last couple of years where

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Speaker 21: we had days without power at times. So you know,

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Speaker 21: again the situation on the home front here is relatively stable.

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Speaker 21: I was on the front lines about two and a

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Speaker 21: half weeks ago speaking to some guys in thurd Saut Brigade,

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Speaker 21: which is one of the Ukrainian military's premiere units, and

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Speaker 21: their morale is very, very high. They're inflicting severe casualties

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Speaker 21: on the Russians, and you know that they're even making

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Speaker 21: advances in some places along the frontiers. We went to Rexts,

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Speaker 21: for example, and they're inflicting staggering lost is on the Russians.

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Speaker 13: So the idea that this is all kind of a one.

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Speaker 21: Sided war in that Russia is just pushing forward and

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Speaker 21: you know, the Ukrainians have not got a chance, it's

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Speaker 21: just not true.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, all right, Jimmy will stay in touch

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Speaker 3: to appreciate. Jimmy Rushian, who's in Key for US this morning,

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Speaker 3: twelve minutes past seven, ask I can't you report that's

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Speaker 3: looked into the influence of gangs and what sort of

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Speaker 3: influence they're having in prisons. It's the old line. There

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Speaker 3: is no rehabit simply a place of recruitment. One suggestion

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Speaker 3: that's interesting split the system gangs and non gangs. Any way.

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Speaker 3: Independent Research Solutions director in author of the report, Jared

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Speaker 3: Gilbert back with us. Morning.

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Speaker 22: Good morning to you, Mike.

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Speaker 3: I noticed in this report you talk about rehab. Is

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Speaker 3: rehab really the goal? I mean, realistically the goal in prison?

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Speaker 3: Has it ever really been that? Well, well, I mean.

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Speaker 22: The first prisons when the first modern prisons in the

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Speaker 22: early eighteen hundred, so that's sort of what the promise was.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 22: Consequently, they've I've got a two or three functions, really punishment,

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Speaker 22: holding people to account, and making sure, you know, dangerous

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Speaker 22: people are managed. But rehabilitation is certainly one important goal.

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Speaker 3: Sure, right, so gangs and.

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Speaker 22: We spend a lot of money trying to achieve it.

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Speaker 3: As we do. If gangs run the place, is that

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Speaker 3: a lack of oversight from corrections?

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Speaker 22: You've got to be careful saying gangs run the place,

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Speaker 22: because corrections still hold the keys, right, But in that

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Speaker 22: informal world of the prism they have, you know, they

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Speaker 22: do have too much power, and this is a detriment

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Speaker 22: to the running of the prison. I don't think you

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Speaker 22: can see it any other way.

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Speaker 3: Is that known by corrections.

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Speaker 22: It's certainly known by correction staff because I interviewed them

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Speaker 22: and actually look a meeting with the chief executive later

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Speaker 22: day to talk through the implications of the report. But clearly,

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Speaker 22: if one of your goals is rehabilitation and for corrections,

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Speaker 22: it certainly is, then this level of control and power

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Speaker 22: is problematic because, of course, if you're creating a place

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Speaker 22: of fear not that doesn't just mean that the gangs

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Speaker 22: at the top tier of this sort of informal hierarchy.

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Speaker 22: It means that it pushes people toward joining a gang

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Speaker 22: for security. So while you're causing the problems, you're also

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Speaker 22: benefiting from them, which is kind of which is far

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Speaker 22: from idea.

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Speaker 3: One of the most telling figures thirty five percent or

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Speaker 3: involuntary segregation. Does that mean a person like me, I

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Speaker 3: robbed the bank. I'm not a gang member. I don't

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Speaker 3: want to be a gang member, but I'm getting beaten

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Speaker 3: up on and so I go just stick me in

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Speaker 3: a cell and I'll stay there for my lag. Is

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Speaker 3: that how it works?

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Speaker 22: That that is how it works. If you can take

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Speaker 22: care of yourself, the gangs will give you a bit

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Speaker 22: of status, you'll be some of Tier two. But if

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Speaker 22: you can't, then you've become incredibly vulnerable to They take

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Speaker 22: a chicken mic, they'll take your lozenges. You know, your

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Speaker 22: makateen Longe. They'll take whatever they can from you. They

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Speaker 22: may force you to do things as well, and so

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Speaker 22: you're with the option is to go to voluntary segregation.

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Speaker 22: So what we've seen as the culture in the prisons

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Speaker 22: has changed, this massive increase over years of voluntary segregation.

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Speaker 22: So we're kind in some way ways we're sort of

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Speaker 22: unconsciously established establishing two prisons.

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Speaker 3: And could you do that? Well, I mean that's the

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Speaker 3: interesting thing. Could you do that? Could you split the

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Speaker 3: gangs off into a prison gang non prison gangs? Possible

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Speaker 3: or hopeless?

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Speaker 22: No, it may well be that we have to go

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Speaker 22: to wings. But if we are going to separate wings,

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Speaker 22: but if we are going to do that, we should

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Speaker 22: be doing it consciously and with a plan, rather than

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Speaker 22: just sort of allowing it happen. I was going to say, naturally,

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Speaker 22: I don't as much from prisons as.

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Speaker 3: Natural exactly, all right, Jared, appreciate it. Jared Gilbert, Minister

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Speaker 3: of Corrections Mark Mitchell with us after eight o'clock this morning.

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Speaker 3: Of course, it was called a struggle session, a piece

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Speaker 3: that went off in the Australian media yesterday by Peter

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Speaker 3: Hartcher who's the Political and International editor for the Sydney

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Speaker 3: Morning Herald. What happened in the White House between Zelenski

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Speaker 3: and Trump was a setup. It is called a struggle session,

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Speaker 3: an orchestrated ritual humiliation of a political enemy conducted in public,

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Speaker 3: often with crowd participation. More on this shortly sixteen past

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Speaker 3: the Like.

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Speaker 3: B Winston Peter. Shortly eighteen pasted seven. Good news for

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Speaker 3: motorsport fans of a planned announced this morning for a

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Speaker 3: race circuit new race circle called thunder Ridge Motorsport Park

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Speaker 3: is going to be open between Tower On and Rodero

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Speaker 3: Estate Highway six three point two k's of track, twenty

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Speaker 3: six meters of elevation, eight corners. Director Tony Roberts with us, Tony.

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Speaker 12: Good morning, Good morning, Mike, how are you very well?

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Speaker 6: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: At what stage is it at?

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Speaker 12: At the stage is that at the moment, Mikes, We've

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Speaker 12: got everything in place, track designed. We're just waiting now

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Speaker 12: to put a lease in place with the council. It'll

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Speaker 12: be a thirty five year least with two rights of

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Speaker 12: renewals or one hundred and five years so.

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Speaker 3: This is a done deal, it's not. Maybe it will happen.

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Speaker 12: It will happen.

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Speaker 3: Yes, what's driving it? Because doesn't taw PO motorsport parks

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Speaker 3: sort of cover your region roughly?

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Speaker 12: It does roughly, but the old heritage of the Bay

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Speaker 12: Park Circuit and the Bay of Blending is very much

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Speaker 12: into motorsport. And there's two and a half million people

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Speaker 12: within two and a half hours of Tower now nominal

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Speaker 12: road of R et cetera.

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Speaker 3: What's the timeline on.

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Speaker 12: It, Well, as soon as we get to the build

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Speaker 12: season and we get the leaves in place and we

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Speaker 12: have we have a plan to do to lease garages

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Speaker 12: on site which will be for one hundred and five years,

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Speaker 12: and then where we're all set to go. We were

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Speaker 12: very much a community facility. We're aiming at people that

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Speaker 12: you know, the driver training and the new guys, the

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Speaker 12: young people, getting them off the streets and onto the circuit.

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Speaker 12: Dry To training will be a huge thing for us

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Speaker 12: to do. We'll go to the schools, that kind of

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Speaker 12: thing to try to get people into more safety, which

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Speaker 3: give me one of those, Glenn, come on, give me one.

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Speaker 3: am thrilled for the White Island company that had their

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Speaker 3: conviction costed on appeal Friday. This didn't get the coverage

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Speaker 3: it deserved. White Island and its judicial process is worried

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Speaker 3: me from the get go. If you're a regular, you

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Speaker 3: will know this Work and Safety appeared to panic in

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Speaker 3: their response to the disaster. It make me no mistake.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what happened at the island was a disaster

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Speaker 3: and a tragedy, but it was a natural disaster and tragedy.

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Speaker 3: And what level of legal recompense was required was questioned

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Speaker 3: of all I thought from the start. But the approach

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Speaker 3: that Work and Safety took appeared to be a panic

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Speaker 3: driven scattergun affair, whereby All and Sundry faced a barrage

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Speaker 3: of charges in the hope that some of the judicial

918
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Speaker 3: mud would stick. The brothers who owned the island faced

919
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Speaker 3: a couple of charges. One was dropped, but they were

920
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Speaker 3: found guilty on the other appeal. They have had it

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Speaker 3: quite rightly turned over. The company simply gave licenses to

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Speaker 3: conduct tours. They didn't per se manage anything, and therefore

923
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Speaker 3: could not be held accountable for what others did. I

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Speaker 3: still believe a lot of the other charges were overreach

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Speaker 3: as well, given the nature of the volcano. I mean,

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Speaker 3: adventure tourism by its very nature carries risk. A live volcano,

927
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Speaker 3: by its nature, carries risk. At some point the people

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Speaker 3: who buy into that, as in the visitors, must take

929
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Speaker 3: some level of responsibility. No one, from what I could

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Speaker 3: see or read, acted recklessly. They weren't crazy. There was

931
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Speaker 3: no Dare devil behavior involved. That was an unforeseen disaster,

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Speaker 3: as the judge pointed out, given the island company simply

933
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Speaker 3: handed out licenses, what was there to manage? He also

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Speaker 3: pointed out, quite rightly, as far as I can see,

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Speaker 3: that they were dealing with basically bare ground. Not a

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Speaker 3: lot to manage there either. Many of those charged pled guilty.

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Speaker 3: You might remember early on I am convinced not because

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Speaker 3: they believed they were guilty, but because it was easy,

939
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Speaker 3: whether on legal advice or not, too simply cave in

940
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Speaker 3: and pay the money. This quashing is proof it didn't

941
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Speaker 3: need to be that way. All the charges that were dropped,

942
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Speaker 3: and there were lots of them as proof it didn't

943
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Speaker 3: need to be that way. So how much damage, stress, money, energy,

944
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Speaker 3: and failed businesses do we have from an agency that

945
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Speaker 3: looks increasingly likely set about things in a very haphazard,

946
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Speaker 3: if not dangerous way, and yet are in no way

947
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Speaker 3: being held to any level of account asking Rubio's doing

948
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Speaker 3: his defense of what Trump is doing with the war.

949
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Speaker 3: It's a brilliant grand strategy. By courting Moscow, Trump is

950
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Speaker 3: trying to break the Russian no limits relationship with China

951
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Speaker 3: the same way Nixon. If you read history, Nixon went

952
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Speaker 3: to Beijing in seventy two to forge US ties with

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Speaker 3: China to bring it into alignment against Russia. Trump's doing

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Speaker 3: a reverse Nixon, apparently, Mike, I'm reading the main reason

955
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Speaker 3: Trump has slapped tariffs on Canada and Mexico is because

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Speaker 3: they failed to stop drugs coming across the border?

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Speaker 6: Is that true?

958
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Speaker 3: Only partially? It wasn't till it wasn't. They exported the

959
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Speaker 3: Mexicans a whole lot of cartel leaders the other day

960
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Speaker 3: over to America. They boosted troops on the border. Candida

961
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Speaker 3: did the same, and that was allegedly to appease the tariffs,

962
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Speaker 3: and it meant nothing at the end of the day.

963
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: Elbows and for a surprise to the promise that maybe

964
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Speaker 3: there are exemptions, that's not going to happen the same

965
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Speaker 3: way it's not going to happen with the UK. Basically,

966
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Speaker 3: he makes it up as he goes along, and it's

967
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Speaker 3: all on and all bets are off as far as

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Speaker 3: I can work out. Winston Peters, Foreign Minister. More importantly

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Speaker 3: for this morning's discussion, Ferries Minister is with us.

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Speaker 1: Next New Zealand's home for trusted news and views, the

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Speaker 1: Mike Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover Villa designed to

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Speaker 1: intrigue and use Togs deadvs.

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Speaker 3: Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Puny Anderson and the lf Way twenty

974
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Speaker 3: three minutes away from it. We used on our Beleague

975
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Speaker 3: of Ferry Service official documents were released yesterday that the

976
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Speaker 3: canceled deal from December of twenty three should have been renegotiated,

977
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Speaker 3: perhaps more urgently. What we ended up with was, of course,

978
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Speaker 3: a new minister and a promise that we're going to

979
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Speaker 3: have some fine detail on these new ships by the

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Speaker 3: end of this month. The Minister in chargeable of this is,

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Speaker 3: of course Winston Peters, who is this very good morning

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Speaker 3: to you.

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Speaker 17: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: If I get time, I wouldn't mind touching on Rara,

985
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Speaker 3: Tonga and China and those talks of yours. But as

986
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Speaker 3: far as March is concerned, by the end of March,

987
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Speaker 3: just to make this nice and clean and clear and quick,

988
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Speaker 3: by the end of March, you'll be able to tell

989
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Speaker 3: us basically who's doing it, what it costs, and what

990
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Speaker 3: we're buying. Is that fear or not.

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Speaker 17: Well, Jenny's thinking there three targets. We're going to be

992
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Speaker 17: able to announce who's in the game, a lot they're

993
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Speaker 17: printending for and what the costs will be.

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00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: Okay, and is that a timeline to get us the

995
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Speaker 3: new ships by the twenty nine target when the other

996
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Speaker 3: ones fall apart? That it's definitely yes, Okay, is Hyundai.

997
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: If they're in the mix and we can cut a

998
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Speaker 3: deal with them, does that negate some of the break

999
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 3: fee as part of the deal.

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Speaker 17: Well, that's an interesting way you put that question. But

1001
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Speaker 17: when you're in the negotiations like that, that is the

1002
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Speaker 17: deal that they're negotiating. With the exit deal with Kimi Railer,

1003
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Speaker 17: I'm starting off something new now. The first part of

1004
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Speaker 17: the exit deal will have to be settled.

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Speaker 6: But are you.

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00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 17: Asking me, is there a consideration for that exit deal

1007
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Speaker 17: in terms of the new deal. I've been promised that yes,

1008
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Speaker 17: So it's how should I said? It's appalling what I've

1009
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Speaker 17: had to deal with because we've got people shouting out

1010
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 17: three hundred million when it's way way less than that.

1011
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 17: These other aspects shirt was chunt to do with the fairies,

1012
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Speaker 17: but all to with a shocking decision. We started off

1013
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 17: in May of twenty twenty, when I was a minister

1014
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Speaker 17: then ordering two ferries for four hundred and one billion.

1015
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Speaker 17: That's way less than half a billion. I come back

1016
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Speaker 17: to find that the hinting towards over four billion.

1017
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: Now heaven since we had to stop it. Having read

1018
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Speaker 3: the paperwork between Kiwi Rayle and Grant Robinson as it

1019
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 3: was at the time. How the government that I didn't

1020
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 3: get on top of that was, I can't explain it.

1021
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: You will have read the letters on assuming KII raile

1022
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: just keep coming back and going we want more and

1023
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 3: we won't ask for more. Oh sorry, well we need more,

1024
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Speaker 3: but we won't ask for more. And so it went on.

1025
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 3: How's that happen?

1026
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 17: Well, it happens when you got people whouldn't run school. Touchhop.

1027
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 17: That's that bundles but annoying in the extreme.

1028
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: Were you cognizant at the time. I don't want to

1029
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 3: re litigate history, but when Robertson was running the place,

1030
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: were you cognizant this was going on with This was

1031
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 3: post twenty twenty and you weren't part of it.

1032
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Speaker 17: It was post twenty twenty. I mean I left. It

1033
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 17: was four hundred and one billion, so half one one million,

1034
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 17: yeah for two fairies one million listen that way, listen,

1035
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 17: and half a billion I've come back to find over

1036
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 17: by treasuries forecast four billion.

1037
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Speaker 22: Okay.

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Speaker 17: It was just a lolly scramble with no discipline from

1039
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Speaker 17: the Minister, Finance of five, minister or anyone. And he

1040
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Speaker 17: said people sit in the house and tell he's dad.

1041
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 17: They could run a country. Look, it's as grace of

1042
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 17: what's happening here, but this is just a repetitive example

1043
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 17: of what they did over and over again.

1044
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 3: Do you sit here talking to us this morning, bullish

1045
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 3: that a deal will be reached and a good one

1046
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: that we can all be moderately speaking pleased with.

1047
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 17: Well, the answer that is, we're going worldwide. We've gone

1048
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 17: as far as thin than other parts of the world

1049
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 17: for content, for tenders. We've got some entity that was

1050
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Speaker 17: is the world's biggest shipbuilding company. Everybody told me was

1051
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 17: out back in I've seen them, Cey Park, he's a

1052
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Speaker 17: very very and his team. It was an excellent conversation.

1053
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Speaker 17: They understand that, you know, sometimes the mistakes are made.

1054
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Speaker 17: But I did have to remind them, you know, in

1055
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Speaker 17: nineteen fifty when they were in dearer trouble, we sent

1056
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Speaker 17: our soldiers there. When the Asian financial christs happened in

1057
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Speaker 17: ninety seven, we were in the one of nine countries

1058
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 17: underwrote their currency. We've got a reason to be working

1059
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Speaker 17: with them, and they are. They're in the right to

1060
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 17: share of mind. I think we can be confident we'll

1061
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Speaker 17: get the sort of out.

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Speaker 3: Good as regards to China, and they're allowed to do

1063
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: what they did because no laws were broken. Did they

1064
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Speaker 3: explain to you in a way that you can explain

1065
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: to us what led to that and why suddenly they

1066
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 3: decided to do life fires without really letting anybody know.

1067
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 17: Well, no, he didn't explain to me. But I made

1068
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 17: it very clear that you know, when you've got a

1069
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 17: relationship of which we claim to be proud, a lack

1070
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Speaker 17: of notice, either from the government or the military is unacceptable.

1071
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 17: That's that's not our so called friends should behave. I

1072
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Speaker 17: can say that while we accepted that, and I also

1073
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Speaker 17: said to the peace don't tell me that you're trying

1074
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Speaker 17: to sort out whether the trajectory of the military work

1075
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Speaker 17: is different in the Southern hemistry of the Northern hemisphere.

1076
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Speaker 17: Was that what they were they were doing it for?

1077
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Speaker 17: Was was there another lesson you're trying to tell us?

1078
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Speaker 17: So we had a very frank discussion.

1079
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Speaker 3: Was the lesson more aimed at Australia than us or not?

1080
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Speaker 17: Ah? Well, you know, when you're dealing with something you

1081
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 17: don't know the ambience and the objective of hates that

1082
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Speaker 17: I think I can interpret it. All I know is

1083
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Speaker 17: this is not But even with the law of the

1084
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Speaker 17: sea and their right to do that through the Tasman,

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Speaker 17: this sort of thing where aircraft have to be redirected

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Speaker 17: is not amongst insuccessible. That's the point I made to you.

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Speaker 3: Talked to mister Brown poster his trip to China the realities. No,

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Speaker 3: do you want to should?

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Speaker 12: Well?

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Speaker 17: I tell you I've set out very very clearly in

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Speaker 17: correspondence what we abound constitutionally by the two thousand and

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Speaker 17: one agreement of doctor Mowate or the cook Arts and

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Speaker 17: Helen tug back then. What we're trying to know. It's difficult,

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Speaker 17: but we've just said out of me, just waiting for an.

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Speaker 3: Answer, Okay. Helen Clark actually over the weekend said five

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Speaker 3: eyes as passed as used by dating. We shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: part of it anymore. And it's got mission creep. Is

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Speaker 3: that fear or not?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 17: She started off saying that, and the end of the

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Speaker 17: interview she went backwards on that.

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Speaker 12: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 17: I think cassel I said, I don't know why, said

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Speaker 17: many people who have fast politicians feel compelled to talk

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Speaker 17: about circumstances not engaged in at the moment. I wouldn't.

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Speaker 17: I can tell you now. But she ran back on

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Speaker 17: that when it was said to hang on it. Are

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Speaker 17: you telling us that critical information we need to get

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Speaker 17: for security, for drugs and all sorts of things you

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Speaker 17: don't want or not about, And she pulled back on that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what do you make of what's going on in

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Speaker 3: the world at the moment? I mean, we're stuck in

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Speaker 3: the middle of something here between the Chinese and the

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Speaker 3: US and Orcust and I mean, what do you what

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Speaker 3: do you when when you hear Donald Trump and watch

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Speaker 3: him in the White House and he doesn't know what

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Speaker 3: Orcas is and Miles is handed over eight hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollars in the terriff trail, I mean, God, what a mess.

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Speaker 17: Well, I think that asking it would be wise for me,

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Speaker 17: in the interest of my country to keep my mouse

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Speaker 17: up and wait until the dust settles.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what about that horse? Have you ridden it?

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Speaker 17: It was freezing and I thought about four off the

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Speaker 17: darn thing. It'll be like a don't put him on

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Speaker 17: a concrete Okay, but one of these days I might

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Speaker 17: get Jones.

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Speaker 3: Is a good looking horse.

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Speaker 17: It's this fine specim that they have got their different

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Speaker 17: type of horse that is they're this horse they're bred for,

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Speaker 17: you know, races of twenty five kilometers. It's quite unique

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Speaker 17: in that context. Wow, it's a fine specimen of that

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Speaker 17: sort of horse. And it was a very well that's

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Speaker 17: quite overtaking by the tell try what what are.

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Speaker 3: The moss around that? In the in the sense you've

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Speaker 3: got to clear it obviously, But I mean do they

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Speaker 3: look after it and feed it and all that.

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Speaker 2: Sort of stuff.

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Speaker 17: I'm not going to declare it. I'm not going to

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Speaker 17: go on in the pathway as a stupid official den

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Speaker 17: where there's no benefit to me at all. But it's

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Speaker 17: the pleasure. And one time I bought a horse and

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Speaker 17: a charity to help a charitable cause. And then they

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Speaker 17: asked me, you've got the said a minute, you've got

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Speaker 17: a file, you've got an interest, And I said, you

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Speaker 17: got nescess. See, I've got a dip. That's what I've

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Speaker 17: got to look after forever.

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Speaker 3: But the horse stays in Mongolia, doesn't it.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, well, well that's where it will be saying, because

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Speaker 17: that's the idea that they look after the rest of

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Speaker 17: its life and keep it in my put my president

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Speaker 17: mind and both. If you a chance, I'll sit when again,

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Speaker 17: I don't know to see how it goes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, good on. You appreciate it very much, Winston Peters,

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Speaker 3: I enjoy a wide ranger. You know what can I say?

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Speaker 3: It's a forty five seven forty five.

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Speaker 1: The VI like asking Breakfast full show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: now it by news Talks.

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Speaker 3: It be Mike, I never used to that much. We

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Speaker 3: get a lot of the super time he's I never

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00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: used to have much time for Peter's. However, he impresses

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Speaker 3: me more and more these days. Are like his frankness,

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Speaker 3: his reasonable amount of clarity compared to others, and his

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Speaker 3: unwillingness to ramble.

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Speaker 6: Mike.

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Speaker 3: God to love Winston pretty straight shooter, Thank you, Mark Old.

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Speaker 3: When he seems more amiable than I, I reckon. I

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Speaker 3: put it down to the fact he's like mate or

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Speaker 3: I'm like him. We're just having a good time. He's

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Speaker 3: having the time of his life. I'm absolutely convinced of

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Speaker 3: But will Winston keepers opinions to himself if he ever

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Speaker 3: retired from politics, You know what, I think he probably will.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of you have noticed this, asking mister Hosking,

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Speaker 3: that's asking no. Yes, we've reached a little you know

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Speaker 3: we've come. It's a it's a it's a moment. Richard

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Speaker 3: Prebble this morning must read over the summer. I've been

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Speaker 3: reading the Tribunal's recent reports and doing my research. He

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Speaker 3: got appointed at the way Tangye Tribunal back in November

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Speaker 3: by Tama Potarky. You remember all the lovies went, oh

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Speaker 3: what what a stitch up? The treaty is clear. It

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Speaker 3: is a preambul in three articles. We also have the

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Speaker 3: instructions to Governor Hobson. The Crown offered its protection, guaranteed

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Speaker 3: property rights and extended the rights of British citizenship. In return,

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Speaker 3: MARII ceded sovereignty, agreed to the Crown having a right

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Speaker 3: of preemption, and accepted the duties of citizenship. The way

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Speaker 3: Tanging Tribunal has declared it is not bound by previous

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Speaker 3: tribunal rulings that sovereignty was ceded or by decisions of

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Speaker 3: the court. The Tribunal now says there are two treaties.

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Speaker 3: Having a tribunal that does not follow court rulings or

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Speaker 3: its own previous findings is politically destabilizing and unsustainable. Do

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Speaker 3: you reckon Parliament by empowering the Tribunal to make recommendations

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Speaker 3: based on the principles that the treaty has allowed the

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Speaker 3: Tribunal to create. Treaty principles. The Tribunal's rulings only have

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Speaker 3: legal effect when the Crown adopts and the Labour Government

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Speaker 3: and now National have failed to respond to the Tribunal's

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Speaker 3: radical ruling. The Minister of Justice should have upheld earlier

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Speaker 3: tribunal decisions that sovereignty we was seated. I've said this

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Speaker 3: to the Prime Minister any number of times. In the

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Speaker 3: absence of political leadership, the civil services adopted the tribunals

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Speaker 3: invented treaty principles. I will not participate in turning the

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Speaker 3: treaty into a socialist manifesto. Ignoring the issue is not

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Speaker 3: the answer. It is time for the Prime Minister to

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Speaker 3: lead and uphold that there is one treaty, one country

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Speaker 3: and one citizenship. So I don't know what Tima Potarker

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Speaker 3: was going to do. I don't know what he wanted

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Speaker 3: to do, and I don't think he was expecting that,

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Speaker 3: But good on. Richard Prebble Hero of the Week nine

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Speaker 3: to eight.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast were the Bailey's real estate news talks,

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Speaker 1: there'd be.

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Speaker 3: BIDO six away from it. This will come as no

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Speaker 3: surprise at all. For a third year in a row,

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Speaker 3: Service Now's annual customer experience shows wait times on phones

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Speaker 3: are getting worse. Last year it was estimated we spent

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Speaker 3: about twenty four million hours on hold, which is nine

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Speaker 3: point seven hours per person. Service Now is country manager

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Speaker 3: Kate Tulpers. We there's Kate. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 17: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Do you split these things? Do you split in between

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Speaker 3: local and international companies?

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Speaker 23: Look, we don't. We definitely survey by industry. We look

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Speaker 23: at the different market segments and who's performing in different spaces.

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Speaker 17: That no, we don't look a.

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Speaker 3: Global and no good because that was my next question.

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Speaker 3: What are there where are there areas that are specifically

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Speaker 3: and obviously bad or not?

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Speaker 23: Definitely the people who get the most improved and the

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Speaker 23: opportunities for improvement awards. Look, the best space in twenty

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Speaker 23: twenty four has definitely been the transport space, so bas

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Speaker 23: rail ride share type places providing the best kind of

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Speaker 23: customer service. Most improved goes to household and utilities you know,

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Speaker 23: so like our electricity companies, etc. But room for improvement

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Speaker 23: financial services so banking and insurance in government, which is

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Speaker 23: upset you government.

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Speaker 3: Of no surprise, government aren't performing. They hired all those

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Speaker 3: public services and none of them could answer the phone.

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Speaker 3: Who would have thought?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 3: Having said that, I've come to the conclusion, as a

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Speaker 3: pun to myself, that they don't care, that they can't

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Speaker 3: be bothered putting the resource in. They don't want to

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Speaker 3: spend the money, and at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: no one's actually going to do anything about it. Would

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Speaker 3: that be fair or not?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 23: Look, I don't think anybody sits out to design something

1246
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Speaker 23: that is completely annoying and doesn't work. But what I

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Speaker 23: do think is we're seeing in the research is that

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Speaker 23: where customers are choosing to engage with a digital method,

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Speaker 23: if it's been provided to them so like a chatbot

1250
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Speaker 23: or an aipowered agent or an online Apple or something,

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Speaker 23: they'd definitely seeing a faster response time. And so my

1252
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Speaker 23: mum used to say to me, put down the phone.

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Speaker 23: That is definitely the fastest way to engage.

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Speaker 3: Now that's interesting because my chatbot experience and generally if

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Speaker 3: it becomes complicated, they drop offline. So in other words,

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Speaker 3: they say how do I help? And I ask a

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Speaker 3: question they come back with an answer, and then when

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Speaker 3: they can't help me, they just disappear.

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Speaker 17: Do you notice that I've certainly had.

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Speaker 23: That experience myself. I get pretty frustrated because we're at

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Speaker 23: service now, know when we see the tech and we

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Speaker 23: know that it's possible to not have that kind of experience.

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Speaker 23: So absolutely, those are the old chatbots. Those are the

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Speaker 23: you know, the ones from ten years ago. But AI

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Speaker 23: powered agents are different, you know, like the work that

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Speaker 23: we see. For example, our customer, Southern Cross Insurance, they've

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Speaker 23: deployed an AI powered agent to resolve requests. They've got

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Speaker 23: a twenty four to x seven service desk running now

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Speaker 23: and they've delivered a ninety nine percent satisfaction. That is

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Speaker 23: customer for life territory. That's the difference between putting new

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Speaker 23: shoes on an old horse and redesigning for a rocket.

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Speaker 23: You know, old chatbot yep.

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Speaker 3: Do you do offshore on shore in terms of you know, yes,

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Speaker 3: local company but they're in the Philippines or not.

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Speaker 23: Look, we support a broad range of companies, you know,

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Speaker 23: doing all the things you know offshore, local New Zealand businesses,

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Speaker 23: New Zealand government. You know, it's a broad range of

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Speaker 23: customers that we support. But the key thing that we

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Speaker 23: see across all of them is that those who are

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Speaker 23: prepared to engage in investing in technology are providing a

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Speaker 23: significantly better customer experience, and those are the ones that

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Speaker 23: you want to take a look at.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic Kate, appreciate It, Kate Top Service. Now in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Country Manager Mark and Ginny, there's a whole bunch

1285
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Speaker 3: of stuff to deal with. They'll deal with the Preble

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Speaker 3: situation corrections obviously with that report that we talked about

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Speaker 3: earlier on given that's Mark's particular department, Do we want

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Speaker 3: to go down the sandwich route or not? Are we

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Speaker 3: thorough releasing O then wants to go down the sandwich route.

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Speaker 20: I just want to want some people to say, ed

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Speaker 20: you might and not.

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Speaker 3: Marm I No, only we're going to do that. This

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Speaker 3: isn't school mate, this is adult time. I don't know

1294
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Speaker 3: if you've noticed. This is an adult show.

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Speaker 1: US is next setting the agenda and talking the big issues,

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Speaker 1: the Mike costing, Breakfast with Bailey's real estate, finding the

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Speaker 1: buyers others can't use togs Head b Son.

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Speaker 2: Morning, I heard a word from the breach made Sabby

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Speaker 2: sweeter to your mama's love, your neighbor luck.

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Speaker 3: You know you came this is you had another country

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Speaker 3: music person you neverthood of.

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Speaker 12: J D.

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Speaker 3: Clayton Blue Sky Sundays. Up there he was in pursuit

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Speaker 3: of his dreams. He was headed towards his native Fort Smith, Arkansas,

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Speaker 3: having left Nashville, a place that raised him and formed

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Speaker 3: his early love of music, and was calling him back.

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Speaker 3: Now you have been cool back in cool back, you

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Speaker 3: get called back? Is that a real thing? Do you

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Speaker 3: think you get called back?

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Speaker 7: I always I often feel Hamilton pulling me about today.

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Speaker 3: It's the same thing from well we got nine, nine

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Speaker 3: to nine. Once he got to Arkansas and Fort Smith,

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Speaker 3: he wrote nine songs, thirty five minutes and forty eight

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Speaker 3: seconds worth of music from J. D. Clayton Blue Sky Sundays.

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Speaker 3: It is eight minutes past day's time for politics Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: and Ginny Anderson's will was along with Mark Mitchell, good

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Speaker 3: morning to you both, morning, Mike Moting, Jenny, good morning.

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Speaker 3: A couple of this is this is this is minutia.

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Speaker 3: I know, Jenny, but and it's my fascination with it.

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Speaker 3: But you weren't in your seat yesterday. Jan Tonetti was

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Speaker 3: in your seat? What happened there?

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Speaker 24: I moved along a few I was sitting I think

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Speaker 24: one seat along.

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Speaker 3: Yes, she were. How does that work?

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Speaker 24: Well, often when you get a question, you get moved

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Speaker 24: into the center.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so your seat the singular seat. I always thought

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Speaker 3: it was because no one liked you. Was that unfair?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 24: I thought it was because I was short and got

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Speaker 24: teased a bit and maybe smelt funny. But no, it's

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Speaker 24: not any of those things with.

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Speaker 3: You because I thought about it. Mark, the day you

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Speaker 3: remember when Andrew Bailey was answering those embarrassing questions when

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Speaker 3: he had called somebody a loser at the winery and

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Speaker 3: I was looking at poor old Nicola Grigg and Nicola

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Speaker 3: and Nichola was sitting next to Andrew, and I thought,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure she doesn't want to be sitting next to

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Speaker 3: Andrew right now because she knows the camera's on her.

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Speaker 3: And what a nightmare. How does it work on your

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Speaker 3: side of the house because you move around a bit

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 6: Mark, Yeah, it's when people are away.

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Speaker 25: So basically, when people away, they just the whips will

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Speaker 25: just move you around to fill the slots, and that's

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Speaker 25: why you sort of see people moving around and be

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Speaker 25: the same and with the.

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Speaker 3: Although lux and Peters et cetera get the same seats

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Speaker 3: every time.

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Speaker 6: Yes they do, yes, and no one, no one sits

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Speaker 6: in their seats.

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Speaker 24: So yeah, that's that's an interesting But when I was

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Speaker 24: a young and in my first new MP, when you

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Speaker 24: can sit anywhere usually, but you never ever sit in

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Speaker 24: the leader's seat.

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Speaker 3: Well of course not the leaders, but so it's leader's deputy.

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Speaker 3: I know that Nicholas sits in the same So how

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Speaker 3: far down the lane does it go before?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 25: I see what you mean. Yeah, so they'll just yeah,

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Speaker 25: that's a really good point. No, they'll just sort they'll

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Speaker 25: kind of move you around up until the leader's seat

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Speaker 25: and then.

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Speaker 6: You won't you know that it stops there.

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Speaker 3: So does somebody tell you? You say, Mark, you're on

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Speaker 3: six thirty thirty six B.

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Speaker 6: Today it's it's the chief whip.

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Speaker 25: The Whips Office will send out each day where you're

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Speaker 25: sitting and it relates to who's away and you're filling

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Speaker 25: the GA.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, hand on heart, jinny, I mean, you sit by

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Speaker 3: yourself a lot, but hand on heart. There's got to

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Speaker 3: be people who game bugger. I don't want to be

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Speaker 3: next to them. I mean even in your own core,

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Speaker 3: because you've got to be thinking out of that idiot.

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Speaker 24: Seat's quite a good seat, right, It has a number

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Speaker 24: of advantages. It was Calvin seat was Putty Cuta's seat

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Speaker 24: because you're right in the fray, you're right looking at acts,

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Speaker 24: you've got mighty party and you're right, so you can seat.

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Speaker 3: It's a seat hide one and if.

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Speaker 24: You're a little bit late, you can slip in and

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Speaker 24: out without and you want not to think because you

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Speaker 24: don't have to squeeze and past other people.

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Speaker 3: That is your seat, now, Ginny, you speak of it

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Speaker 3: as though it's your own.

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Speaker 24: I'm quite familiar with that seat now. And while I

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Speaker 24: do look like I'm on my own, it's about forty

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Speaker 24: centimeters still between me and Willow geen point.

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Speaker 3: Weever, that's the difference between economy and business class, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: And we all know where we'd rather be.

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Speaker 24: That's my life pretty much, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right, Marke, real quick, we had Jared Gilbert on he

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Speaker 3: did this report with corrections. He reckons, I mean not

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Speaker 3: this is new, but gangs are running the gangs running

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Speaker 3: the bridge is they had an abdication of responsibility from

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Speaker 3: corrections or not.

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Speaker 25: No, look, corrections do an outstanding job. He really hasn't

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Speaker 25: told us anything we didn't already know. Is that our

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Speaker 25: prisons are a microcosm of society. And basically, the gangs

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Speaker 25: in our communities use intimidation, violence, you know, the disproportionate

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Speaker 25: drivers of a lot of the crime that we have

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Speaker 25: to deal with. That's why you see myself and the

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Speaker 25: commissioner going so hard on the gangs. But you know,

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Speaker 25: but the correction system is no different. But I have

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Speaker 25: to say that our corrections officers are world class. Though

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Speaker 25: there are thousands and thousands of positive interactions that happen

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Speaker 25: every day. We've got two hundred gang members that are

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Speaker 25: currently applied to have their facial tattoos removed. And actually,

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Speaker 25: from many of the visits that I do around our

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Speaker 25: prison system, what they try to do is peer older

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Speaker 25: gang members that have seen the era of their ways

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Speaker 25: and want to leave the gang and reform, or have

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Speaker 25: left the gang.

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Speaker 6: They try to sort of buddy them up.

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Speaker 25: With the younger ones so that there's actually a positive

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Speaker 25: influence happening in there as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but having said that, if I under skinny white

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Speaker 3: guy and I just want to do. I lag because

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Speaker 3: I did something wrong, I'm going to get beaten up.

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Speaker 3: And when I say to the corrections, I got beaaten

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Speaker 3: up knowing kids did.

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Speaker 6: They Yeah, well don't don't.

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Speaker 25: Don't go out and commit robberies and violent crime and

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Speaker 25: go into your correction system because.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of game. Well there's a lot of game.

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Speaker 25: I don't think you will what there's a lot of

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Speaker 25: gang members in there, and it's a tough environment and

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Speaker 25: you know it, shout out to.

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Speaker 6: Our Christians offices. They work in a very tough environment.

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Speaker 3: You concur with that.

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Speaker 24: Generally, well, well some of that. I've been to Reematucka

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Speaker 24: a few times and they've had a really good program

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Speaker 24: where they keep all the young the younger gang members

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Speaker 24: separate from that middle cohort because it's the middle cohort

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Speaker 24: who then co co opt them into permanent game membership.

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Speaker 24: So I think the more that our present system is

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Speaker 24: able to separate out that the middle so yes, twenty

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Speaker 24: five years up to forty, and they're the ones that

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Speaker 24: are going to put pressure on the younger ones to

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Speaker 24: sign up in these I've seen programs in place where

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Speaker 24: they've done like a couple Hoker performance, and they've the

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Speaker 24: outlines of the gang tattoos on their back, but they've

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Speaker 24: not been completed. So they've been started, but they're not

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Speaker 24: fully in yet. And that's the opportunity really to provide

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Speaker 24: facial tattoo removal, to provide options to get out, and

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Speaker 24: to separate them from that older cohort who will try

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Speaker 24: and push them in.

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Speaker 25: The best people place to decide how to run the prisons.

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Speaker 25: They do an outstanding job. Are our corrections not politicians,

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Speaker 25: and they deal with this every single day and they're

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Speaker 25: very good at it. I want everyone to understand that

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Speaker 25: our corrections control our prisons, not the gangs, but the

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Speaker 25: gang's try to bring influence into the prison around the

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Speaker 25: other prisons, and we're very we are in sensive to that.

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Speaker 3: Breaf break More in a Moment, Mark Mitchell, Jinny Anderson,

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Speaker 3: thirteen Past.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by News.

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Speaker 2: Talks it be.

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Speaker 3: News sixteen past eight Jinny Anderson, Mark Mitchell, Well, it's

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Speaker 3: just quickly, Jenny, this Wellington water and it's just I

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Speaker 3: don't know, I mean, does Wellington ever work their way

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Speaker 3: out of this quagmire of misery and disc function.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, it's a concern. I did see something Chris Bush.

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Speaker 24: It was saying it's a social club or something, and

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Speaker 24: he was sort of saying it was well.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's sort of chipped in and there was no accountability

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Speaker 3: and it's.

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Speaker 24: Just the triple I think there's a figure.

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Speaker 9: I saw.

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Speaker 24: They're paying triple what everyone else that what they should

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Speaker 24: have been paid. But part of the problem is that

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Speaker 24: they don't have the money to be able to fix

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Speaker 24: that infrastructure. We did have a plan in place for

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Speaker 24: all of that order infrastructure with entities set up. The

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Speaker 24: government came in and scrapped that and see local government

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Speaker 24: sought that out and so this is the messing.

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Speaker 3: To be fair though, Jinny, this goes back several years

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Speaker 3: when you were in government. I'm not blaming you. I

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Speaker 3: mean they should be running their own thing, but I

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Speaker 3: mean this isn't current. Just because you know, water done

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Speaker 3: well or whatever it's called, I mean, it's it's idiots

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Speaker 3: or idiots. It doesn't matter what the infrastructure or the

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Speaker 3: structure is.

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Speaker 24: That we needed a plan that enabled local government to

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Speaker 24: be able to borrow the amount of money to fix

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Speaker 24: that infrastructure, and we still don't.

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Speaker 3: Have that well, it could it have helped that they

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Speaker 3: didn't charge triple to the contractors or the contractors were

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Speaker 3: charging triple.

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Speaker 24: I completely agree with you. But the problem is that

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Speaker 24: year after year, you've had councils in the valley, for example,

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Speaker 24: building a hotel, putting money towards a hotel and an

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Speaker 24: event's you know, center, when they should have been investing

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Speaker 24: in democracy.

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Speaker 3: No one turns up to boat and so the next

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Speaker 3: thing that guy Guppy is But do you realize how

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Speaker 3: long how long has O Guppy been the mayor telling

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Speaker 3: me years? Maybe that's unbelieved, one hundreds. I looked him up.

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Speaker 3: I thought he main last time. I'm unopposed. So it's

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Speaker 3: either brilliant or.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: You know, he's a good hat guy and he gets

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Speaker 24: on with everybody, both both sides of the house, and

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Speaker 24: he does his job. He's a nice guy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, A lot of people asking about the man who Mark?

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Speaker 3: What was going on there? When you bring your top?

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Speaker 6: I love I love the.

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Speaker 3: It was Mark.

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Speaker 24: I just clarify because I've heard a rumor that actually

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Speaker 24: that that that you were chasing a kid that stolen

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Speaker 24: the Snickers bar and he jumped.

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Speaker 25: Well, can get and I'm sure that's a rumor started

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Speaker 25: by you.

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01:08:58,560 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 6: But that the money the.

1516
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 25: Muddy will Chaps was was awesome, mate, No, it was,

1517
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 25: it was. It was very spur of the moment. I

1518
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 25: didn't have any tolls or anything. I was lucky that

1519
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 25: Sarah zipped down from home brought me a change of suit,

1520
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 25: so I did.

1521
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 6: Have another evow. Yeah, I went old styles. I did

1522
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 6: the A bomb, I thought I did. Okay, the A bomb?

1523
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,440
Speaker 3: Okay, did you now I claim? Now this is a

1524
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 3: at risk? Had been called frivolous. How is it Chris

1525
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 3: Bishop has hundreds of dollars worth of dry cleaning receipts

1526
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 3: put forward in the expenses account, and did you then

1527
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 3: put your suit in with that to claim your dry

1528
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 3: cleaning as a resulted as a result of.

1529
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 25: Good thinking? But no, I didn't, No, heaven, I've got

1530
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 25: no idea. But you know, if you're on the road

1531
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 25: a lot, you know, I mean it's Chris about that.

1532
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 6: Ye, yes, we're all on the road a lot.

1533
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 3: Well you you claim sixty bucks for some mini bar.

1534
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 3: Now what's going on there?

1535
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 25: So we don't know what that charges. I'm reassure you

1536
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 25: that I don't eat. I don't eat six hundred peckets

1537
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 25: of peanut I must have. I must admit that I

1538
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:04,799
Speaker 25: feel like a beer at the end of the day sometimes,

1539
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 25: but we don't drink. How cool we're out in about either.

1540
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 25: It's probably a meal that's been charged back to my room.

1541
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 24: I think, I know, I know there's been a lot

1542
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 24: of talk about Louise in the Double Cheeseburger. I think

1543
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 24: I think that I looked at Mark and we look

1544
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 24: and there was the Lula Lounge and Fox Trot Parlor.

1545
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 24: Those esteemed establishments are is.

1546
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 3: It the Lulu Lounge or the Lula Lounge?

1547
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 24: Lula, it's the Lula Lounge.

1548
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 3: What do you know about the Lula Lounge?

1549
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 6: Mate?

1550
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 24: I mean the Fox Trot Parlor? Like, what are these establishments?

1551
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 3: Question?

1552
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 25: Jenny, I'm getting very uncomfortable because I feel like Jenny

1553
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 25: Andersen's stalking me. I feel like I've got a stalker,

1554
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 25: and Jenny Anderson, you filed it, mate.

1555
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what's going on here with

1556
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 3: these expenses. But good I got excited by Nicola Gregg

1557
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 3: buying a magnum of peanut, but I assume that's a gift.

1558
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 24: Are you calling me a store game?

1559
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 3: Looking at what do you do with receipt when you're

1560
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,799
Speaker 3: in opposition? Do you what's your official receipts thing.

1561
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 24: When you're in opposition. I just because we're pretty much

1562
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 24: so I just pay for it yourself, unless it's you know,

1563
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 24: a big amount, So I just pay my own stuff.

1564
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 24: We're getting allowance in our salary for those sorts of.

1565
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 3: And you're get an allowance and you can do anything

1566
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 3: with it you want.

1567
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 24: No, no, no, it's the things like the extra and

1568
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 24: all MPs get it. And it's for when you go

1569
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 24: to a fair or when you have to spomp, you know,

1570
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 24: like do a like for example, rotari and membership that

1571
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 24: might be included. So it's expenses you need to pay

1572
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 24: as an MP that that you do in your activities

1573
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 24: in the community.

1574
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 3: Okay, right, I'm going to get to the bottom of it, Mark,

1575
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 3: because you sound suspicious all of a sudden.

1576
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm very interested to.

1577
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 25: I can assure you that it will be work related.

1578
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 25: What I'm relieved, what I'm relieved about is that we're

1579
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 25: bringing anti stalking laws in.

1580
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 3: Exactly, Yeah, exactly, you'll be able to get away with us.

1581
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 3: All right, Nice to see you guys, mate, Mitchelle Ginny

1582
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 3: Anderson for another week twenty two The.

1583
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:13,479
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1601
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Speaker 3: Fox Trot Parlor Cafe and ponsomb I should have known that, actually,

1608
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 3: not that I spend a lot of time pons I

1609
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 3: should have known that, Thank you for that. It wasn't

1610
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 3: the Lula Parlor because the lounge Lula loud. So Jenny

1611
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 3: said it was Lula Lounge, not the Lula Lounge, because

1612
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 3: Lula Lounge is. We're in Canada and Toronto. Well that

1613
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 3: it'll be said. That'll be tarffed up the wazoo by now. Anyway,

1614
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 3: you get solsal lessons at the Lula Lula Lounge. It's

1615
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 3: actually the Lula Inn, which is just a regular what

1616
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 3: pub but no one and this is where it gets

1617
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 3: deeply suspicious, known for their bottomless lunches. Hmmm, so we

1618
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 3: can't explain the sixty dollars on the mini bar. He

1619
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 3: doesn't know anything about the Lula in with the bottomless lunch.

1620
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 3: Was it so bottomless you can't remember? These are the questions.

1621
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, so then did you go back to the mini

1622
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 7: barn afterwards?

1623
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 9: I remember it.

1624
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 3: Mike could be going after expenses like burgers. Then get

1625
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 3: to the bottom of Devah Packers thirty nine kov spending

1626
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 3: in the quarter. Well, I'm surprised you found that it's

1627
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 3: thirty nine thousand dollars in the quarter because the marry

1628
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 3: parties are telling you yesterday or the day before. I'm

1629
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 3: very good at filing the paperwork. She must have filed

1630
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 3: some paperwork there and come up with some numbers, so

1631
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 3: good of her to do it. But a lot of

1632
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 3: that will be in the cost of protest banners and

1633
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 3: air fair as I would imagine. I'm guessing, but you

1634
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 3: know how it goes. Cyclone, Alfred, there's sandbagging. My niece

1635
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 3: was sandbagging yesterday and they're sort of freaking out because

1636
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 3: they've gone and bought all the white bread and the

1637
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 3: pasta and the four x and you can't get anything

1638
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 3: of the supermarket now. So we'll talk about the weather

1639
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 3: with Steve after the news, which is next here on

1640
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,320
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1641
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1642
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Speaker 1: Your Way from when.

1644
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 3: He might come about to evacuate Noosa Head. I assume

1645
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 3: it's pause head to Brisbane as opposed to Noosa Heads,

1646
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 3: pause to go to Brisbane, hoping to fly to Auckland.

1647
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 3: Still happening Thursday, so tomorrow, very overcast, wind rising but

1648
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,799
Speaker 3: still warm, eerie calmness. That is Maria who is from Hamilton,

1649
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 3: wishes she probably was from Hamilton, but is currently heading

1650
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 3: towards Brisbane, twenty three minutes away from nine.

1651
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 18: International correspondence with ends an eye insurance, peace of mind

1652
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 18: for New Zealand business.

1653
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 3: And then as furious see past, very good morning to you.

1654
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, Noosa Heads, it is and this thing it looks

1655
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 9: a lot worse than what you and I talked about

1656
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 9: on Monday. Cyclone Alfred. Hopefully people have got their fingers

1657
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 9: crossed that it could still head away out to see,

1658
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 9: but it doesn't look likely. All predictions my car that

1659
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 9: it will hit sometime late Thursday night into early Friday morning. Now,

1660
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 9: one of the reasons why the actual time when it

1661
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 9: might cross the coast, which appears to be just north

1662
01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 9: of Brisbane, is that the Bureau and experts are predicting

1663
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 9: that it's going to coincide with one of the year's

1664
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 9: highest ocean tides. Now, that would set up anticipated storm surges,

1665
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 9: which is really a big problem. You've got waves off

1666
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 9: shore of up to seven meters one hundred and fifty

1667
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,759
Speaker 9: kilometer in our winds and we're talking about the second

1668
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 9: most populated area of Australia. I mean, if you've been there,

1669
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 9: you know what we're most oft we're talking about. It's

1670
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 9: everything from the Sunshine Coast down to the Northern Rivers

1671
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 9: of New South Wales. Now, the Northern Rivers area is

1672
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 9: that area back in twenty twenty two that got so

1673
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 9: badly hit by floods that they've still not recovered. So

1674
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 9: if they're going to be smashed again, it's going to

1675
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 9: be complete disaster. Modeling shows twenty thousand homes at risk

1676
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 9: of being innundated in Brisbane, six thousand on the Gold Coast,

1677
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,879
Speaker 9: and there's no doubt that that impact would be massive

1678
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,839
Speaker 9: on the community. What does that do while it cancels

1679
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 9: three major sporting events that were supposed to take place Thursday,

1680
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 9: Friday Saturday, that's two AFL games in our game, they've

1681
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 9: all just been canceled. And the reason is that the

1682
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 9: players of the teams that are based in that region

1683
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 9: obviously don't want to get up and fly to Sydney

1684
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 9: or Melbourne play matches. They're going to stay there and

1685
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 9: look after their families. The competitions themselves made the announcements

1686
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 9: yesterday and this is it could be a hell of

1687
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 9: a disaster, which sets up something very interesting. You and

1688
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 9: I've spoken over and over and over again about the election.

1689
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 9: I predicted on Monday that it would be probably called

1690
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 9: either on Sunday afternoon or Monday morning for April twelve. Well,

1691
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 9: the Prime Minister's office is in a flurry this morning.

1692
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 9: One of the reasons being, and this might seem trite,

1693
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 9: but it's a fact when you're calling an election. Peter

1694
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 9: Dutton owns a farm and lives on it just outside Brisbane.

1695
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 9: And so if you were the PM, would you feel

1696
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 9: comfortable getting in the white car heading to the Governor

1697
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 9: General's at the house and calling election. Well, Peter Dutton's

1698
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 9: trying to save his house from being blown over. So

1699
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 9: it's fascinating the impact of that night.

1700
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 3: And so he starts though, and I get it, so

1701
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 3: he was going to go this Sunday, March nine court

1702
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 3: for April twelve, but he starts to run short on time.

1703
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 3: If he can't call it this weekend, then he's getting

1704
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,959
Speaker 3: squeezed because you need thirty something days, don't you squeezed?

1705
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 9: And the timetable then starts to really work against him

1706
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 9: because if he doesn't call it by Monday next week,

1707
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 9: he is then forced into a May election, which means

1708
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 9: he has to have a budget. He can't just say

1709
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 9: I can't get him wait and we're going to go

1710
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 9: in May. I'm not going to have a budget. The

1711
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 9: budget date's already locked in. He doesn't want to have

1712
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 9: a budget. He doesn't want to do that. I mean,

1713
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 9: Australia has a real knack if you're old like me,

1714
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 9: an interested in political history, of having elections that's are

1715
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 9: surrounded by natural disasters. In nineteen eighty three, Bob Hawk

1716
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 9: called an elector, went to an election as the new

1717
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 9: leader of the Labor Buddy and we had the ash

1718
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 9: Wednesday Bush by it. I mean, it's just the time

1719
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 9: of year, I guess, but this is.

1720
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: A real issue.

1721
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 9: I mean, we should be more concerned about that people

1722
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 9: are going to get smashed by this store.

1723
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 3: Well, that's the weird thing. I mean, you say this

1724
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 3: time of year, I mean one that part of the

1725
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 3: world does not get smashed by cyclone. It's been a

1726
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 3: very long time and two and even when March is late.

1727
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right. Nineteen ninety was the last time I

1728
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 9: had a cyclone. It was sort I mean, they keep

1729
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 9: calling it a tropical cyclone. I don't know why there's

1730
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 9: none now needed tropics. I mean, this thing is way

1731
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 9: way way south and the people in its past a

1732
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 9: lot of sandbaging going on yesterday. I just don't think

1733
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 9: the Prime Minister could be seen to be doing that

1734
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 9: in the middle of what might be a natural disaster.

1735
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Speaker 3: No way in the world. Speaking of the campaign itself, though,

1736
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 3: this coalition thing that this work from home. I didn't

1737
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 3: realize this, but the public service unions cut a deal

1738
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 3: so that the government workers while all the rest of

1739
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 3: the private sector is trying to get everyone back to

1740
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 3: work and save the downtown areas and stuff, the unions

1741
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 3: cut a deal whereby government workers can work from home

1742
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 3: and now doesn't trying to and it's turned, I note,

1743
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,759
Speaker 3: into a battle of the sexes where women get treated

1744
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 3: worse apparently.

1745
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a big problem. I mean you think, I mean,

1746
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 9: it seems that the coalition trying to channel Donald Trump

1747
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 9: and Elon must say, Okay, if you don't go back

1748
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 9: to work by lunch on next Friday, you're going to

1749
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 9: lose your job. It's not that simple in this country.

1750
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 9: For a start, there is a bargainer and bargaining agreement,

1751
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 9: as you point out, which is in forced until twenty

1752
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 9: twenty seven, so that the Public Service Union, very powerful union,

1753
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,759
Speaker 9: the CPSU, say well, we're going to oppose any return

1754
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 9: to work, and we will actually use the Fair Work

1755
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 9: Commission and the legislation that we can use to say no,

1756
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 9: we're not coming back to the office. You can't do

1757
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 9: that to us. I mean, the deal that you talk

1758
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 9: about is quite simple. I mean people who particularly if

1759
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 9: they're a single parent or a woman, they are allowed

1760
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 9: to work from home under the union deal that they

1761
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 9: cover the federal government. It's quite clear it would be

1762
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 9: a popular thing electorally, but it's very.

1763
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 22: What to do?

1764
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 3: How is it? Just let me ask you us quickly,

1765
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 3: while I got you Albanesi. I don't actually think it

1766
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 3: was Albanesi, but certainly is government was asked Pat Conroy

1767
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 3: the defense industry in US. He was asked about tun

1768
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 3: this is this war in Ukraine and whether we put

1769
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 3: boots on the ground and peacekeepers and stuff like that.

1770
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 3: So on Monday the government goes, no, we're not doing that.

1771
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 3: We'll give you a couple of tanks, but we're not

1772
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 3: doing peacekeepers. Yesterday Alba goes, yeah, we can do peacekeepers.

1773
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 3: Do they not think about this stuff?

1774
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 12: No?

1775
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 9: And this is part of the problem Australians have with

1776
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 9: the current government. Man Anthony Albanesi has been a very

1777
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 9: weak leader. Let's not be around the bush and he

1778
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 9: seems to say whatever he thinks is going to play

1779
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 9: well in the electorates that he needs desperately to win,

1780
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 9: particularly in Western Sydney. But what he has said there

1781
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 9: is we will consider any request for Australian peacekeeping troops.

1782
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 9: And then he went on to talk about how we

1783
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 9: have a history of peacekeeping troops from Australia in places

1784
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 9: like Boganville who went to the Pacific Islands, done it

1785
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 9: in our region, but was not done it overseas in Europe,

1786
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 9: which is a very long way away from where we are.

1787
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 9: Peter Dutton immediately came out and said I wouldn't be

1788
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 9: in favor of that. So that's set up yet another

1789
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 9: difference between the two parties. And the lead into an election.

1790
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah all right mate, go well, we'll catch up next

1791
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 3: week to look for to your company stew price out

1792
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 3: of Australia. Just before we leave. By the way, this

1793
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 3: Whale thing which I've been endlessly fascinated with, this is

1794
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 3: the South Australian government backed by the Federal government. Whale

1795
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 3: as the steel works. It just duvetails what's happened in

1796
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 3: the middle of the North Island and a couple of

1797
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 3: mills because of the price spike and power last year

1798
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 3: went bust. People lost their jobs. Whale a small place

1799
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 3: in South Australia employees directly one thousand people indirectly two

1800
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 3: and a half thousand in a town of twenty two

1801
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 3: thousand people. It was owned by a British billionaire called Gupta.

1802
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 3: It was a complete nutter mess. The reason I mentioned

1803
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 3: it today is all the numbers came out. The steel

1804
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 3: works was losing one and a half million dollars a

1805
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 3: day before being put into voluntary administration. O's credit is

1806
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 3: one point three four billion, including five hundred and seventy

1807
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 3: million who entered his own by this Gupta guy. The

1808
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 3: employee entitlements are one hundred and ninety million, the South

1809
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 3: Australian government forty million secured creditors to eighty one million

1810
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 3: unsecured credits eight hundred and thirty seven million. So the

1811
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 3: unions are saying six hundred and nineteen to their members

1812
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 3: that wrote that eighty six million, four hundred and twenty

1813
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 3: three salaried employees out of pocket to the tune of

1814
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 3: sixty three million. So the local government along with the

1815
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 3: federal government, threw and two and a half billion to

1816
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 3: try and save the place. But the numbers are shocking,

1817
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 3: so I know, And the point being, if it's losing

1818
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 3: one and a half million dollars a day, it's all

1819
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 3: very well to save it for now, but what are

1820
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 3: you going to do with it? And how you're going

1821
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 3: to turn it round? And can you turn it round?

1822
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 3: And if you can't turn it round, to what end

1823
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 3: is the taxpayer on the hook? For forty six.

1824
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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on I have

1825
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1826
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Speaker 3: At b Mike Trump's speech to the Joint Session should

1827
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 3: be epic. I reckon it will be what I'm going

1828
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,520
Speaker 3: to be interested. It's three o'clock New Zealand time this afternoon.

1829
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 3: Nine o'clock East Coast time. What I'm looking to see

1830
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 3: is whether the Democrats can contain themselves and whether it

1831
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 3: just becomes just gargantuan. You know what sort of show?

1832
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 3: Is it just me? Or was that Wanganui story yesterday

1833
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 3: about pack and Save the weirdest story you'd heard in

1834
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 3: a very long time? Were you aware about the tax

1835
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 3: rules that came into place in twenty twenty three? So

1836
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 3: this woman goes to pack and save in Wanganui and

1837
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 3: she spends more than a thousand dollars on groceries, which

1838
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 3: once upon a time would have been a story, but

1839
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 3: I'm not sure it is now. I know what we

1840
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 3: spend on groceries a week, and we don't do it

1841
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 3: all at once. We're not those you know, once a week,

1842
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 3: once every fortnight shops and go do some gargantuine trolley shop.

1843
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,759
Speaker 3: We do it sort of virtually daily, and we wouldn't

1844
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 3: spend one thousand dollars. But I mean, you know what

1845
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 3: I'm saying, because the cost of groceries and all that

1846
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 3: sort of cost of living stuff, then buying a thousand

1847
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 3: dollars worth of stuff, if you're doing a big shop

1848
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 3: is I wouldn't have thought any more, completely unheard of. Anyway,

1849
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 3: she turns up, does the thousand dollars, and they tell

1850
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 3: her she can't leave the shop that. What they don't

1851
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 3: explain is that under this tax legislation you are required,

1852
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,480
Speaker 3: as a business, apparently to collect certain details for purchases

1853
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 3: over a grand to ensure compliance.

1854
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 2: With tax rules.

1855
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:05,759
Speaker 3: Now does that apply when you go buy a television

1856
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 3: or a fridge or stuff? I mean, because I haven't

1857
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 3: bought anything like that for ages. Last thing I bought

1858
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,759
Speaker 3: was a snow cannon. Now that was about eighty five dollars.

1859
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 3: No one asked any questions at all. They might have laughed,

1860
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 3: but apart from there, let me go out. The door

1861
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 3: was about eighty five bucks. But so I haven't spent

1862
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 3: one thousand dollars. And you know, so, is that like

1863
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 3: if you buy a fridge or a television, or a car,

1864
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 3: or a suit or something like that, somebody somewhere is going, well,

1865
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 3: maye some of your details? So I get the idea. Initially,

1866
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 3: the suggestion was that it may be she had a

1867
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 3: stolen card of some description. So you nick a card,

1868
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 3: you go in buy up large. Before they realized that

1869
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 3: somebody stolen card, I don't know what that is. But anyway,

1870
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 3: they didn't handle it very well and they apologized and

1871
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 3: that was the end of That's just next time you're

1872
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 3: out spending one thousand dollars on groceries, don't be surprised

1873
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 3: if they put you in a little room in the

1874
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 3: corner and ask a few questions. Nine away from nine the.

1875
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: Make asking breakfast with the range Rover villab Mike.

1876
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 3: I think it's more for one thousand dollars in cash.

1877
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 3: Mike ha spent twelve hundred on boos for the Christmas party.

1878
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 3: Know and ask me anything. March eight, very big day.

1879
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,840
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1880
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1881
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1887
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1895
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1896
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,799
Speaker 3: going to be. They're looking for a person in Nelson

1897
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 3: City council manager for the forest. So what they did

1898
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 3: in Nelson was they it's a forest systems manager. Started

1899
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 3: advertising October last year. They've decided to transition away from

1900
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 3: commercial forestry for forestry because I would know nothing about that.

1901
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 3: I don't know much about commercial forestry apart from the

1902
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 3: fact that you need a chains or on some cool machinery. Anyway,

1903
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 3: what they're continue what they're doing now is creating a

1904
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 3: continuous canopy amenity forest. So I mean, I'm right into that.

1905
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,600
Speaker 3: Beautiful trees, lots of birds, and you can be in

1906
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 3: charge of that. Who doesn't want to be in charge

1907
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 3: of a continuous canopy amenity forest anyway. It's ten thousand

1908
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,520
Speaker 3: hectares of it too. You wander through and it's fantastic.

1909
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 3: They can't find anybody. Forty two applicants, not a single person.

1910
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 3: You know, it's paying one hundred and thirty one hundred

1911
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 3: and forty thousand bucks just to wander through the forest.

1912
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 3: They still can't find any bay.

1913
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 20: I mean, you know, labor can't find a candidate for

1914
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 20: rum for mere in Wellington.

1915
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 3: So would you rather be mayor or run a forest?

1916
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 3: These are the questions five minutes away from nine.

1917
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: Trending now with chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy.

1918
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 2: All year round.

1919
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 3: You're finding white Lotus a bit slow, and we were

1920
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 3: discussing the soft era and the news and we are

1921
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 3: it's a bit slack. Season three. I've got this for you.

1922
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 3: Listen to this.

1923
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 16: I've always loved taking something pretty ordinary and elevating it,

1924
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 16: surprising people with moments that let them know I was

1925
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 16: really thinking of them.

1926
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 8: What This is probably one of the most glamorous moments

1927
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 8: of my life.

1928
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 16: We're not in the pursuit of perfection, woke us all up.

1929
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 2: We're in the pursuit of joy. Love is in the details.

1930
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:31,480
Speaker 24: I have to do it totally.

1931
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 5: Wrong to get it totally right.

1932
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 24: Look at what we made.

1933
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 2: By snoring.

1934
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 24: Peaceful day.

1935
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 3: So if you didn't recognize the voice, it's Meghan, of course.

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Speaker 3: One of the reviews and it's dropped on Netflix sabernight.

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Speaker 3: One of the reviews in Britain says, you can see

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Speaker 3: and smell the desperation and having that was the trailer.

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Speaker 3: The trailer's crap, and I mean the trailer is like

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Speaker 3: really crap, like as and you've got to be kidding.

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Speaker 3: There's got to be more to it than this, and

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Speaker 3: there isn't it also dovetails. She's got this new company, Azeba,

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Speaker 3: because whatever it was ran into some sort of copywriter.

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Speaker 3: Azeb's actually also run into copywriter. She's some company in

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Speaker 3: Spain says we're called Azebra as well. She is releasing

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Speaker 3: and we pleased to know this. You've got eight new

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Speaker 3: products coming and she got a new Raspberry Jam and

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Speaker 3: the world does need a new Raspberry Jam. You can

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Speaker 3: put that in the sandwich call at the school lunch.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, that's Megan. She's on Netflix and WI back

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Speaker 3: tomorrow morning from six Happy

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