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Speaker 2: nightment is past six bit late. Welcome to the day.

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Speaker 2: Let's accept the A decent amount of the noise. Let's

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Speaker 2: get to the US race. Decent amount of the noise

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Speaker 2: around Karmala Harris at the moment is about Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: basically stepping aside. Are the pent up pressures being released

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Speaker 2: and whether it has come a shed load of money,

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Speaker 2: which in itself gets news coverage of course, and that's

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Speaker 2: before you get to the VP pick which is coming

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Speaker 2: I think tomorrow, which will internal lead to more coverage.

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Speaker 2: And then you get to the polling, which broadly speaking

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Speaker 2: is showing some movement in her direction, Q more coverage,

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Speaker 2: all of which leads to the idea, if you're a

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Speaker 2: casual observer, that she has got momentum. But then go

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Speaker 2: back just a handful of weeks. When the other bloke

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Speaker 2: got shot at a rally in Butler, he stood up

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Speaker 2: fist in the air, the photo was taken, it was

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Speaker 2: assumed by many that the race ended that day. Here

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Speaker 2: was Trump's to lose. A week later, he's in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: The place is humming, the momentums all his. The Republicans

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Speaker 2: are on fire. It's over until, of course it isn't.

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Speaker 2: And here we are. We're surely the strongest lesson of

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Speaker 2: all so far. What is happening right now won't be

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Speaker 2: happening next week. So don't get too exercised as Harris

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Speaker 2: and Trump wrangle over whether or not a debate ever happens.

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Speaker 2: The big mistake that Republicans are making is playing the person,

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Speaker 2: not the ball. You don't have to be woke or

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Speaker 2: from California to know that an old bloke attacking a

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Speaker 2: woman at a personal level is not a recipe for

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Speaker 2: electoral success. One of the most widely accepted criticisms of

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Speaker 2: the trump playbook is he keeps convincing his most rusted

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Speaker 2: on supporters to vote for him, and he does it

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Speaker 2: by behaving the way he is towards Harris. She mentally,

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Speaker 2: he says, is not all there. She's Indian. It's never

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Speaker 2: that clever when even you're suggesting Obama was African. But

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Speaker 2: it plays, you know, especially badly when it's a female victim.

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Speaker 2: The Harris record for conservatives has all the material you'll

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Speaker 2: ever need to see victory. There's a stockpile of weird meanderings, amusing,

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Speaker 2: a musing that she is put into the public arena.

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Speaker 2: Beating her is not all that heart. Until she got

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Speaker 2: the nod from Joe, she was dismissed as ineffectual, and

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Speaker 2: rightly so. Trump doesn't need to take the low road

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Speaker 2: to grow as supporting it. Inexplicably he does, which doesn't

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Speaker 2: make him a very smart campaigner.

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Speaker 1: Wow. News of the world in ninety second.

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Speaker 2: It's all about the market's job reports in the States

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Speaker 2: was soft. Markets thought the Fed had missed the boat

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Speaker 2: on cuts. Next stop recession. So let's all panic and it's.

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Speaker 3: All on last week having a shakeout in some of

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Speaker 3: the stocks, the tech stocks that you saw this dramatic

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Speaker 2: Then we come to the mess that as the UK

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Speaker 2: locals are looking around aghast, none of this to happen there.

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Speaker 4: It had to happen.

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Speaker 5: It's it's misinformation, that's what it is.

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Speaker 6: And violence just is never the answer for these kinds

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Speaker 7: Our children have got to grow upy and we don't

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Speaker 8: You know, it's We're not We're not in a war zone.

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Speaker 9: You know this is written.

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Speaker 2: Coppers are rolling out the tough talk.

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Speaker 10: If you were there, we will find you and you

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Speaker 10: will be held accountable for your part in yesterday's violence

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Speaker 10: to our local communities. Yesterday was a dark day and

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Speaker 10: we know this was felt across our county.

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Speaker 2: The PM's rolling out the tough talk.

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Speaker 8: There have already been hundreds of arrests. Some have appeared

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Speaker 8: in court this morning. I've asked for early consideration of

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Speaker 2: And beg ladish the protests and subsequent disc continue into

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Speaker 2: another day. There is lifelike. The courts have backed down

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Speaker 11: We are getting what we deserve, what sixteen core are

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Speaker 10: Everyone is happy, everyone is cheerful, Everyone is celebrating.

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Speaker 2: The in the Middle East where the Ranians rolling out

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Speaker 12: If the American government had acted on its moral, legal,

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Speaker 12: and human responsibility and put pressure on the Zionist regime,

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Speaker 2: And that's news of the world. In ninety Yes, she's

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Speaker 2: all go Nika twelve and a half percent. Yesterday, that

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Speaker 2: was their worst day since the Black Monday of eighty seven.

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Speaker 2: The dours down now currently about nine hundred, heading towards

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Speaker 2: a thousand. The Feds trying to Here's the headline. The

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Speaker 2: FED is trying to fight a ghost as recession fiers mount.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's panicking. The wipe out the seven most valuable tech stocks.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday they lost a combined one trillion dollars in market value.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Shortly thirteen past.

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Speaker 2: It just reads a visa v Bangala Dish has seen

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Speaker 2: as gone, resigned, fled the country. They I think she's

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Speaker 2: in India, could be traveling on to London. No, and

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Speaker 2: seems to know. At least twenty people were killed yesterday,

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Speaker 2: some of the worst since the country was founded in

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks now hopefully it's starting to come to

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Speaker 2: an end. Sixteen past six from we's back, chief economist

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Speaker 2: Kelly Ekold was doing the business for us this monny, Kelly,

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Speaker 2: how are you very good?

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Speaker 4: Thanks?

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Speaker 2: Good talk us through the global share markets. How badly

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Speaker 13: People are very freaked out right now.

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Speaker 9: I have to say yesterday when I was watching the

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Speaker 9: two thousand and eight that felt like the GFC, that

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Speaker 9: Japanese and Taiwanese equity market in particular dropping really significantly.

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Speaker 9: The Japanese market was down twelve to half percent in

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Speaker 9: eightel nine. Really kind of like ringing those alum bells,

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Speaker 9: that cook being there, that round of selling that just

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Speaker 9: keeps on circling the world create all of that conflagration.

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Speaker 9: Back then, the drivers were packed off by the story

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Speaker 9: you would have heard yesterday, which is that week US

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Speaker 9: But you know, what's really going on here concerns that

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Speaker 9: the global economy might start to significantly slow down, and

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Speaker 9: that potentially central banks have overcooked it a bit and

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Speaker 9: there might need to be some pretty significant interest rate

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Speaker 2: Suggestion being that the Australians, which are due tomorrow the

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Speaker 2: Reserve Bank of Australia ju tomorrow, they're going to have

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Speaker 2: with that sentiment generally?

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't think that's what will happen, but I

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Speaker 9: think that the Reserve Bank of Australia, just like the said,

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Speaker 9: are thinking pretty hard about what happens here. I mean,

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Speaker 9: the markets have actually tilted towards pricing some karints of

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Speaker 9: a rate cart in Australia that's a huge turnaround from

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Speaker 9: there's CPI with I were thinking about rate hikes. I mean,

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Speaker 9: I mean our r WISPAC is that the rate carts

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Speaker 9: the year because that Australian economy has much stronger momentum.

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Speaker 9: But everybody's on the watch out for this. I mean,

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Speaker 9: there is an economist you have to have your global

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Speaker 9: financial crisis get out of deal free card.

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Speaker 4: It means that the.

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Speaker 9: Forecasts can easily become invalidated quite fast.

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Speaker 2: Nicely said, as regards your forecast for New Zealand, I'm

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Speaker 2: not liking the look of Q two and Q three.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so we've got.

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Speaker 14: Those out this morning.

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Speaker 9: Yesterday we announced that we're brought forward when we thought

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Speaker 9: the Reserve Bank and start cutting rates to October from November.

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Speaker 9: You know, they're another one this month where markets here

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Speaker 9: speculating quite heavily now that rates might even cut in August.

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Speaker 9: I would say, based off the economics, that's not going

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Speaker 9: to be the case. But you know, in these circumstances,

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Speaker 9: you never know they're out here. Is that the last

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Speaker 9: three months in New Zealand. The economy's writ to ten

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Speaker 9: down quite significantly. We've seen that GENDP has probably gone

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Speaker 9: back with by zero point six percent in the second quarter,

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Speaker 9: quarter as well. Hence the time for rate carts looks

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Speaker 9: the inflation will follow. You know, perhaps it'll take it

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Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, mate, what are the numbers numbers today?

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Speaker 9: The Dow is down two point three percent, The S

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Speaker 9: and P five hundred is down two point seven. Most

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Speaker 15: That's the text doctor, and hit harder the foots. He's

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Speaker 15: down two percent. As I said, the nick I was

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Speaker 15: down to our point four, The Chinese exchange was down

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Speaker 15: down three point seven. Kenv We exchange was only down

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Speaker 15: one and a half yesterday, so that's quite good.

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Speaker 9: Kiwi dollar had a little bit here on risk a version.

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Speaker 9: It's down very point four percent, Kiwi Ozzie's down by

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Speaker 9: point one seven percent, Kiwi euros down by a point

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Speaker 9: The cost of that holiday in Japan has gone up

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Speaker 9: by about fifteen percent in the last month or so.

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Speaker 13: Down point nine, and we've got.

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Speaker 9: Brent Crews has doubt about point six. Still waiting to

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Speaker 9: see what the Rayans are going to do. And for

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Speaker 9: those of you have been a Bitcoin and the theory

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Speaker 9: and these things are not proving to be risk reducers

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Speaker 9: in these environments. That is now the six to eight

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Speaker 9: the night.

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Speaker 2: Good on you go, well catch up, so appreciate it

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Speaker 2: very much. Kelly. You called Westpac chief economist Pasky. Maybe

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Speaker 2: put your money into comic books. Pair of vintage marbles

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Speaker 2: bought for ninepence ninepence in the nineteen sixty sold over

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Speaker 2: the weekend for twenty four thousand dollars. One copy of

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Speaker 2: The Incredible Hulk, one copy of the Fantastic Four collection

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Speaker 2: belonging to a couple of brothers out of Leicestershire. The

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Speaker 2: Hulk was the sixty two first of a UK edition

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Speaker 2: five and a half thousand quid, so about eleven thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Bidding was fierce. We don't know who got them, but

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Speaker 2: they put their whole collection up one hundred and ten

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Speaker 2: comics childhood trips to the news agent. In total it

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Speaker 16: Good morning Michael.

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Speaker 16: I think unfortunately some of the Australian perspectives was influenced

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Speaker 2: So, given what we've got out of this and who

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Speaker 2: What's rattling Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: Eighteen to two, The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: Talks at b jobs numbers tomorrow. General forecast is the

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Speaker 2: Mike Morning, related matters, would you please ask the Prime

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Speaker 2: France, Captain, feel very good morning to you. Good morning mate,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to upset you in any way, Catherine,

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Speaker 20: even sounds ago, would this women, If they'd said no,

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Speaker 20: they'll probably still say no today. That most people now

439
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Speaker 20: know all about how you measure bacteria in the water,

440
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Speaker 20: and they all seem to know well, they're only testing

441
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Speaker 20: for two particular types of bacteria, and rivers have lots

442
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Speaker 20: of other bacteria in it. So they really were a

443
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Speaker 20: hostage to fortune. On that one might but as you've

444
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Speaker 20: been seeing, you you've got the cycling went right through

445
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Speaker 20: the streets and up and down the hills of Manmatre,

446
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Speaker 20: and they just really wanted to have those shots of

447
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Speaker 20: swimmers in the Seine, and I think they really are

448
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Speaker 20: regretting it. It's also because people have been looking at

449
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Speaker 20: the shots from the nautical place right out in the

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Speaker 20: east of Paris and man and they've been looking at

451
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Speaker 20: this fabulous area that they've got set out there for

452
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Speaker 20: the rowing, the canoeing and the kayaking and saying, well,

453
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Speaker 20: you know, you actually did have somewhere else you could

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Speaker 20: stage the triathlon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And then we come to the boxing. How

456
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Speaker 2: big a story is the boxing and all that surrounded it.

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Speaker 20: This is a strange one, isn't it, Mate, Because you

458
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Speaker 20: do have these two boxes who are competing in the

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Speaker 20: women's section, and the question has been over fairness, safety,

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Speaker 20: over inclusion. The IOC says it has its own rules

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Speaker 20: on eligibility. The International Boxing Association says they have their

462
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Speaker 20: own rules. Now, of course, the IBA are no longer

463
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Speaker 20: recognized by the International Olympic Committee, so there.

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Speaker 16: Is that it.

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Speaker 20: Certainly it has come out of nowhere, and I think

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Speaker 20: the problems for the IOC MIC has been they just

467
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Speaker 20: are not when they come out and talk to the

468
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Speaker 20: press about it every morning. They don't talk about the

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Speaker 20: signs of it. They keep coming out and saying, well,

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Speaker 20: that's what it says on their passport. There was a

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Speaker 20: press conference here in Paris on Monday morning the International

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Speaker 20: Boxing Association, which was absolutely disgraceful. It was completely crazy.

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Speaker 20: The lights didn't work, the microphones didn't work. There are

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Speaker 20: sort of loud bangs, and then the president of the

475
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Speaker 20: association came on the line from Moscow. It said all

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Speaker 20: sorts of very derogatory remarks about the IOC, and they

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Speaker 20: didn't actually come up with any evidence about these two

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Speaker 20: boxers who are now almost certain to get medals at

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Speaker 20: these games.

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Speaker 2: Exactly all right, we'll catch up, so I appreciate Katherine

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Speaker 2: Catherine Field out of Paris. Just before we leave Europe,

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Speaker 2: the f sixteens have arrived in the Ukraine. Zelenski's out

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Speaker 2: spooking those. We don't know how many. He didn't say

484
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Speaker 2: how many, but he did think those who had delivered them,

485
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Speaker 2: and that's the other question. They don't actually still have

486
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Speaker 2: enough trained pilots to fly them all, so we think

487
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Speaker 2: they came from Denmark, the Netherlands and the US. About

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Speaker 2: sixty five have been pledged. But as I say, what

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Speaker 2: they pledge and what they get a two different things.

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Speaker 2: So that's an update on that particular part of the

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Speaker 2: world and that particular war mine. Away from seven on my.

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Speaker 1: Costel Breakfast with the range Rover Villa News togs eNB Mike.

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Speaker 2: I's lucky enough to be in Paris last year and

494
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Speaker 2: was a stound with the amount of graffiti there. Keep

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Speaker 2: up the good work, thanks Craig. It was just I

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Speaker 2: meant nothing to me, but there were some beautiful shots.

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Speaker 2: I think Paris is better looking from the air, I

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Speaker 2: decided having looked at the cycling yesterday, a lot of

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Speaker 2: drone shots, and I think it's better looking from the

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Speaker 2: air over vast distance because when you get to the gritty,

501
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Speaker 2: grimy streets, it's not that flash anyway. I was just

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Speaker 2: astonished at the amount of graffiti on buildings, high up

503
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Speaker 2: on buildings, you know, people climbing and leaving their mark

504
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Speaker 2: in tag anyway, one of the things I want to

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Speaker 2: cover off. The Prime Minister TV three did well last

506
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Speaker 2: night because this is quintessentially the problem with New Zealand economy,

507
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Speaker 2: and no one else seems to have the story. Windstone's

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Speaker 2: pulp and paper mills or pulp and timber mills. One

509
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Speaker 2: makes pulp and one makes timber. Anyway, they're closing down,

510
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Speaker 2: not permanently at the stage, but they've got a couple

511
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Speaker 2: of weeks to try and sort out what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Ohacooney has about a thousand people. These two mills employ

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Speaker 2: about three hundred, So do the math on that for

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Speaker 2: a start. So you've got major major issues in provincial

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. The reason they're closing down for the moment

516
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Speaker 2: that can't afford the power bill. Why can't they afford

517
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Speaker 2: the power bill? Well, the power bill is six hundred

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Speaker 2: percent more expensive than it was three years ago, six

519
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Speaker 2: hundred percent. Then that was a good story until Shane

520
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Speaker 2: Jones came on Regional Development, of course, and he dropped

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Speaker 2: this clinger. He said last week the price of power

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Speaker 2: was the most expense of in the developed world. How

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Speaker 2: do you do business when you can't afford the power bill,

524
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Speaker 2: when you cannot afford to put the lights on or

525
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Speaker 2: keep them on? How the hell do you do business.

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Speaker 2: So we'll talk to the Prime Minister about this later

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Speaker 2: five to seven.

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Speaker 1: All the ins and the outs. It's the fizz with

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Speaker 1: business favor take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 15: You know why.

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Speaker 2: It's the most expensive in the world. Now we've got

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Speaker 2: some good news out of real estate for you this morning,

533
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Speaker 2: new figures from our friends at Bailey's. This is for July,

534
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Speaker 2: much stronger than usual months usually phely quiet on month, July,

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Speaker 2: middle of winter and all that sort of stuff. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: compared to June, listings for July are up twenty seven

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Speaker 2: point eight percent. Number of deals done up thirty four percent.

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Speaker 2: Appraisals are up forty six point eight percent year on year.

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Speaker 2: For Q two listings up forty point nine percent. All

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Speaker 2: of those numbers couple with what we think is slow

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Speaker 2: in inflation speculation. The ocr is going to drop maybe

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Speaker 2: by the end of the year. A little bit of

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Speaker 2: confidence and momentum in the market.

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Speaker 16: We like this.

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Speaker 2: The average number of days by the way listing is

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Speaker 2: on the market is down to thirty four days, which

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Speaker 2: is a good number at the best of times. That's

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Speaker 2: down thirty one percent year on year. Once you're in

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Speaker 2: the forties. You think in air, so if you're about

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Speaker 2: a month, that's about right. Total value of the deals

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Speaker 2: reached eight hundred and eighteen million, which is up fourteen

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Speaker 2: percent on last year. So listings are up, appraisals are up,

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Speaker 2: deals done or up. Prices are up. It's all seemingly

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Speaker 2: from babies anyway, moving in the right direction, which is good.

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Speaker 2: Another problem is counter for the power. Let me let

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Speaker 2: me get into this particular problem. So we've got a

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Speaker 2: new target for international students, and we'll get the expert

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Speaker 2: on this in just a couple of moments. But the

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Speaker 2: target is we want to bring in four point four

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Speaker 2: billion dollars by twenty twenty seven. Now you say to yourself,

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Speaker 2: is that a good number? Not really, because my understanding

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Speaker 2: was pre COVID we were bringing in five billion dollars

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Speaker 2: a year. Is a five billion dollar industry, so that's

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Speaker 2: pre COVID. Pre COVID is twenty nineteen. So we're going

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Speaker 2: back five years. So we now five years on add

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Speaker 2: two more years, and we want to aim to bring

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Speaker 2: in less than we used to bring in. What sort

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Speaker 2: of target is that? And more importantly, given if it's realistic,

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Speaker 2: what's gone so dreadfully, dreadfully wrong when it comes to

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Speaker 2: foreign students being brought into the country. So they have

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Speaker 2: a look at this. In the next half hour, Seawn

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Speaker 2: Johnson's announced his retirement. You could kind of feel that

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Speaker 2: was coming, couldn't you? Hanging up the boots at the

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Speaker 2: end of the year. And Finn Butcher the first. You

575
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Speaker 2: can't beat her first. When you're the first, that can

576
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Speaker 2: never take that away from you. So Finn Butcher Gold

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Speaker 2: medalists with us after the news as well. Here a

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Speaker 2: news talk.

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Speaker 1: Said, be the breakfast show you can trust the Mike

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Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast with a Vita Retirement Communities, Life Your Way,

581
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Speaker 1: news Talk.

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Speaker 2: Said b seven past seven. So we have new targets

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Speaker 2: for the international student market. Education New Zealand is hoping

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Speaker 2: by twenty twenty seven the sector will bring in four

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Speaker 2: point four billion dollars. The University of White cat Vice

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Speaker 2: Chancellor ELISTERA. Jones is with us on this Alistair. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: Good morning mine. Now correct me if I'm wrong. I

588
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Speaker 2: thought it used to be five Are we aiming low?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 2: Are we are bit underwhelmed?

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Speaker 14: I think so four point five billion depends on how

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Speaker 14: you calculated it. Says economic impact and press release, so

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Speaker 14: that really doesn't I'm not sure what the multiplier they're

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Speaker 14: using on student numbers, so it's a little bit unclear

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Speaker 14: what the target is. But it's great that they have

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Speaker 14: want to be ambitious, and I think we're in the

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Speaker 14: stage of rebuilding and I think it's going to take

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Speaker 14: those two or three years. So it's good to see

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Speaker 14: Education New Zealand engaging with the sector. But we're still

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Speaker 14: had a long way to go, and I think the

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Speaker 14: commitment to grow our numbers is really important.

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Speaker 2: Why do we still have a long way to go?

603
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Speaker 2: And did we blow it during COVID? I think.

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Speaker 14: I think our borders were closed for a long time.

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Speaker 14: I think others opened earlier, and we always knew that

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Speaker 14: it was going to be two, three four years before

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Speaker 14: we recover, but in that time off shore. I think

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Speaker 14: the market's also changed for universities, in particular that it's

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Speaker 14: become a postgraduate market, students staying closer closer the home

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Speaker 14: for the first few years and then looking to undertake

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Speaker 14: international study later in their student career.

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Speaker 2: Really post grade market means less time here, which affects

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Speaker 2: the bottom line, doesn't it.

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Speaker 14: It does also means we've got to fill the pipeline

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Speaker 14: each year. So traditionally, if we were looking at undergraduates,

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Speaker 14: they'd be here for three four years, so you'd fill

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Speaker 14: it once. Now we have to fill that pipeline every year,

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Speaker 14: so we might be getting better students, but we're also

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Speaker 14: more activity needs to take place to keep filling that

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Speaker 14: so it's going to take a while. We may see

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Speaker 14: the undergraduate market come back. We're starting to see that

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Speaker 14: for universities now, but that will take time as well

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Speaker 14: to rebuild the brand once again.

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Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Australia's boomed with students

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Speaker 2: they open. In fact, it's become such a problem they're

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Speaker 2: having to limit numbers and this great political debate going on.

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Speaker 2: How come they've done so well and we haven't.

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Speaker 14: I think the true thing they opened early, they encouraged

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Speaker 14: international students to come back, they managed quarantine during COVID,

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Speaker 14: and I think the universities, the top universities there have

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Speaker 14: very strong brand presence. They get also good support from

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Speaker 14: the federal government as well as the state government. So

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Speaker 14: some of the go eight universities, the top eight universities

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Speaker 14: there can have fought it between fourteen and fifty international students.

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Speaker 14: So there is a momentum there and I think that's

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Speaker 14: probably what the government is responding to.

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Speaker 2: Good insight. We just appreciate it very much. Elis to Jones,

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Speaker 2: University of Wycat, Advice Chancellor. So four point for it

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Speaker 2: is the damage done. We've said it on the program

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Speaker 2: many many times, the way they handled it, and this

641
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Speaker 2: should be part of the inquiry, of course, the way

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Speaker 2: they handled it, we're still paying for. Ten minutes past

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Speaker 2: seven last get quite oh to the games. Of course.

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Speaker 2: It's been a golden knight for and Butcher the canoe

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Speaker 2: slalom cross. He is a winner and he is with us.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, good luck. How are we very well? Indeed

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Speaker 2: warmest congratulations. Does it feel like you thought it would?

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Speaker 21: Yep, it does. It feels pretty good. It definitely hasn't

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Speaker 21: sun came. We've been we've been flat out since then

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Speaker 21: with all sorts of things. But yeah, man, I'm pretty

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Speaker 21: pretty stole.

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Speaker 2: Take us through the event itself. Do you like the

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Speaker 2: canoe slale and cross? Obviously, because you won gold you

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Speaker 2: must do, but as an event, do you like it?

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Speaker 21: Yeah? I reckon, it's awesome. It's been like it's obviously

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Speaker 21: the first time in the games, but yeah, we've been

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Speaker 21: doing it for quite a while and it's it's pretty

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Speaker 21: spectator friendly, you know, like people love to head to

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Speaker 21: head love crashes. If there's any blood, that's also a

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Speaker 21: bit of a fan favorite. But yeah, it's it's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 21: It's it's definitely enjoyable and exciting.

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Speaker 2: What did you have an assessment of the field going

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Speaker 2: into the tournament at the start of all of this

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Speaker 2: or not really?

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Speaker 20: Ah?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I mean, you know, like we we knew that

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Speaker 21: most of the top guys are here. Yeah, there's different

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Speaker 21: qualification rules and things like that, which which meant maybe

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Speaker 21: one or two of the the best around the best anyway,

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Speaker 21: not here, but I think most of the top ten

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Speaker 21: in the world ranking you here, and we we also

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Speaker 21: race each other a lot over the season anyways, so

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Speaker 21: we pretty much pretty much know know who's who, and

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Speaker 21: there's no one coming out of the woodwork randomly at

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Speaker 21: the time.

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Speaker 2: So can you is it is it cross? Is it crossable?

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Speaker 2: If you like it? For one of a much better expression.

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Speaker 2: If you're doing slalom, you can do the cross. If

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Speaker 2: you can do the cross, you can do the slalom

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Speaker 2: or individual skills needed.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I mean a lot of people, well, most of

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Speaker 21: us double up. It's definitely there's some there's some individual skills,

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Speaker 21: but you know, like most of our fitness and and

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Speaker 21: and strength work is all coming from from our slalom training.

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Speaker 21: And then yeah, we're pretty much all of us would

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Speaker 21: have started and slalom really and then gone from there.

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Speaker 21: But even know, maybe you know, in the next ten

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Speaker 21: years we might see some specialists come out. But at

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Speaker 21: the moment, yeah, most people were doubling up.

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Speaker 2: You got friends and family to celebrate with you, I.

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Speaker 21: Do, yeah, I do. I'm pretty excited to get to them.

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Speaker 21: They are meeting us out at New Zealand House a

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Speaker 21: bit later on, so yeah, once we once were clear

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Speaker 21: out of the venue and get things moving, I hopefully

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Speaker 21: catch up with them. They were all at the course today,

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Speaker 21: so I was bloody good to have them in the stands.

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Speaker 2: Man, I reckon, it was all right, mate, go well,

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Speaker 2: appreciate it very much. For Butcher Kayak slalom Cross is

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Speaker 2: what we're officially calling that, but a golds of gold

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Speaker 2: and we're happy about that. Thirteen minutes past seven, Mike,

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Speaker 2: the market is fully placed in a twenty five basis

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Speaker 2: point o cr cut in August. It doesn't matter, Mate,

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Speaker 2: what the market's priced in the market doesn't decide what

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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank does. Adrian All does and in that unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: is part of the problem. Ninety five basis points by November.

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Speaker 2: I mean personally, I hope you're right, but I don't

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Speaker 2: think you are, Mike. We've just renewed our power contract.

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Speaker 2: New price is eighty five percent more than the last contract.

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Speaker 2: That was the cheapest deal. If we stuck with Madam,

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Speaker 2: it would have been an increase of one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty percent. You cannot run an economy with the way

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Speaker 2: we produce power. And it's all once again about the

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Speaker 2: mad renewables, and it was all very good to save

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Speaker 2: the world, but until we worked out we couldn't do it.

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Speaker 2: And the next thing, you're paying six hundred percent more

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Speaker 2: and you got factories closing down anyway more for the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. Shortly fourteen past.

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Speaker 12: He was all over.

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Speaker 2: If there hasn't been enough written about this young man already,

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Speaker 2: Thirteen years on, two hundred and sixty five games, nearly

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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred points later, Seawan Johnson has announced his retirement,

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Speaker 2: all time record holding points scorer for the Warriors. He

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Speaker 2: leaves at the end of the season. The Warriors CEO

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Speaker 2: Cameron George is with us. Cameron Morning, Good morning. How

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Speaker 2: long has it been coming?

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Speaker 5: Look, he's been thinking about it for a little while now,

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Speaker 5: and then I've got a phone call on Saturday. He

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Speaker 5: spoke to Webby and give me a call and we

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Speaker 5: had a chat and yeah, He's the thing about Sewanee.

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Speaker 5: He likes to make a decision when he's on the field,

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Speaker 5: not when he's out injured. So I think he's been

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Speaker 5: waiting to get back to confirm it.

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Speaker 2: So when the phone rings on Saturday, post the game

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Speaker 2: on Friday, let's not mention that. Do you think hang on?

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Speaker 2: This will be interesting?

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Speaker 19: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I knew it was coming one way or another.

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Speaker 5: But when he rang Saturday, I thought to myself, well,

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Speaker 5: as I was picking up the phone, I felt in

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Speaker 5: my stomach that he wasn't able to press it on

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Speaker 5: because I think he just would have waited to catch

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Speaker 5: up with us during the week to talk about next year.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, Saturday, he knew it was something and we

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Speaker 5: had a good chat and he is in a good headspace, Sean,

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Speaker 5: and hopefully now he can just go and enjoy the

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Speaker 5: rest of the year with his mates and the fans,

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Speaker 5: and he'll be remembered as one of our best.

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Speaker 2: And what did you say?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, look, you.

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Speaker 5: Don't try and change their minds or anything like that

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Speaker 5: to put more pressure on them. I just they're the

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Speaker 5: ones that make the big decisions. And I was just

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Speaker 5: really supportive of where he's at, and I said, look,

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Speaker 5: my focus now is to celebrate your career and make

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Speaker 5: sure you're okay the next month or so and.

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Speaker 16: Enjoy it.

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Speaker 5: So my roles used to be a supportive one during

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Speaker 5: this process.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. Do the team play for him for the rest

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Speaker 2: of the season, get us into the eight, get us

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Speaker 2: into the final, and actually resurrect what is turning out

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Speaker 2: Cameron to be a bit mess of a season.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're you know, they had a really good chat yesterday.

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Speaker 5: The guy's on the back of Sewann's announcement and mate,

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Speaker 5: there the trenches and there they're all in it together.

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Speaker 5: Now they've got a lot to play for their fans

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Speaker 5: is the most important part. And now Sean's decision and

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Speaker 5: you know they're really focused now. So you start this work.

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Speaker 5: Was got to go and win and that's it.

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Speaker 9: Mate.

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Speaker 2: Good on you. Nice to catch up. Appreciate it. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk before the end of the season. Cameron George, the

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Speaker 2: Warriors CEO. When I say we'll talk before the end

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Speaker 2: of the season, during the playoffs, because this is this

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Speaker 2: is it's getting harder to say this is our Yeah.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I mentioned this the other day, this

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Speaker 2: as well. I'm speaking of making it hard to do business.

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Speaker 2: They've gone to the appeal court. Northport got turned down.

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Speaker 2: Northport want to expand, why because they want to do

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Speaker 2: more business, God forbid. They got turned down by the councils,

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Speaker 2: They said, no, not interested in any of that nonsense.

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Speaker 2: So we're after the Environment Court now. In the Environment

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Speaker 2: Local Authorities rejected the expansion despite accepting the project would

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Speaker 2: But obviously we wish them well with that meantime, poor

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Speaker 2: of course, to his old government. He's talking to a

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Speaker 2: like TV three, has a plan. It's about digital, and

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Speaker 2: well and the best in those endeavors as well, of course.

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Speaker 2: But although TV and Z is state owned, it is

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Speaker 2: supposed to survive on its own merits. If it can't,

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Speaker 2: it raises a couple of very interesting questions. I would

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Speaker 2: What sort of mix of local news, current affairs, local production?

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Speaker 2: Would they still be expected to produce before they suggest

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Speaker 2: it's not worth even owning such a company and basically

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Speaker 2: looking to either let it die or flick it off.

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Speaker 2: But if it got really ugly, I mean really ugly financially,

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Speaker 2: could a government afford to let a stay owned broadcast

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Speaker 2: A four with the other free to wear local TV

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Speaker 2: us with about nothing outside of sky to watch on

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Speaker 2: the television. It may not get that bad, let's ipe

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Speaker 2: it doesn't, but Telly free to Air Linear Styles is

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Speaker 2: public mood isn't all that sympathetic actually, which probably doesn't help.

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Speaker 2: We don't have any money, which also doesn't help. Media

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Speaker 2: isn't more important or is it than any other business

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Speaker 2: in trouble? So worrying times, wat's the space asking that

870
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: by the time in the next half hour come back

871
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: to a very good piece. Dunk and grieve with the spinoff,

872
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: wrote yesterday, I followed the initial TV three launch with

873
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: stuff or stuff and TV three or whatever you want

874
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: to call it these days, and their initial spreoking of

875
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: proceedings was the ratings were holding, no better, no worse,

876
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: but holding. So in other words, Warner Brothers Discovery, we're

877
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: getting a product at half the price for the same audience.

878
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: So presumably advertising followed. But duncan if you read the

879
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: piece and I'll give you the details their audiences. Hemorrhach

880
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: has collapsed in the last couple of weeks. It's a disaster,

881
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: so that doesn't bode well either, Mike. Regarding the independence

882
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: of the RB, it's not hard to form the link

883
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: between Adrian Or's policy supporting a government flooding the economy

884
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: with wasteful spending and him getting a five year contract

885
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 2: extension on the eve of Labour being kicked into touch

886
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: with last election. No, it's not, but to be fair

887
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: to labor the previous government. When you appoint somebody on

888
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: a term which is five years, then unless you want

889
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: to openly admit you've made a mistake, you then have

890
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: to appoint that person again for another five years. Where

891
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: it got Macavelian was it was about a year before

892
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 2: the election and they must have known in their waters

893
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: that they were going to get done for and therefore

894
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: appointing him for another five years as opposed to say

895
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: one or two. That was the dastardly part. But once

896
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: again it's one of those appoint which you can't really

897
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: do much about much too. We know Christopher Luxen's chagrin,

898
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: speaking of which the Prime Minister as well us directly

899
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: after the news which is next big.

900
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: News fold have been the mic Cosking breakfast with the

901
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: range Rover, the la designed to intrigue and use Tom

902
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: s b.

903
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: I don't you like the Charlie Waller story. He's an entrepreneur.

904
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: Co'm a musician who's sort of living his dream. Another

905
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: one of these people where we are school young, did

906
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: some smart staff, made some money and anyway, I'll tell

907
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: you all the rest after eight when he's with us,

908
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: Charlie wabbles out of walkspay as it turns up. Meantime,

909
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: Tuesday morning, Flame Minster, Chrystopa. Luxen's with us. Very good

910
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: morning to you.

911
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 13: Good morning Mike.

912
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: Now let me up. Are you aware of the Winston

913
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: pulp and paper mills thing and awakuni?

914
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 13: Yes, I'm aware, mills under huge pressure with rising energy

915
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 13: costs across the country.

916
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: Actually, right, how can we run a country and an

917
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: economy far less a couple of mills if we can't

918
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: afford the power bill.

919
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 9: Yeah.

920
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 13: Well, that's exactly the reason why we're reversing the oil

921
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 13: and gas band because the problem that we've got is

922
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 13: that band was announced and the second and third order

923
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 13: implications we're considered, and we're feeling that right now because

924
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 13: we don't have enough gas in the country and as

925
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 13: a result, we need it for a number of a boilers,

926
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 13: we need it for the mills, we need it a

927
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 13: number of places, and we can't get enough of it.

928
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 13: And so that's why we've got a gas a playgroup

929
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 13: working together. But frankly, this is a consequence of a

930
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 13: decision taken by the our journe government without thinking through

931
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 13: the consequences. We need gas for a number of decades

932
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 13: as a transitionary source of energy before you get to

933
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 13: nirvana with full renewable but as a result, without it

934
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 13: in the system, and with the shortage of it in

935
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 13: the system, electricity and energy prices are going up, and

936
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 13: for people like pulp and paper walls in particular and others,

937
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 13: that causes huge pressure.

938
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: When Shane Jones says last week we were paying the

939
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: most for electricity in the developed world, is he right?

940
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 9: Look?

941
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 13: I think I mean I haven't checked every single country,

942
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 13: so I wouldn't want to say that, but he is

943
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 13: right in a sense of we've had massive escalation an

944
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 13: energy prices and that is impacting some of our industrial bates. Now,

945
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 13: if you think about Fronterra and others that use boilers,

946
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 13: if you think about the males as you have identified,

947
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 13: you think about schools and hospitals, and we still have

948
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 13: huge reliance upon gas. We need it, frankly, because if

949
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 13: we're going to be one hundred percent reliable on renewables.

950
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 16: We make levels are low.

951
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 13: When it doesn't you know, it's not funny, and one

952
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 13: doesn't blow, we're going to need guess to make sure

953
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 13: that we can keep the lights on.

954
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: Right. Have you followed at all Northport's desire to expand

955
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: their business and the rejection from the council story.

956
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 13: Yeah, I read that report yesterday and I just say,

957
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 13: you know, that is a classic case where you need

958
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 13: fast track one stuff. And I know people want to

959
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 13: pose us on that, but I'm sorry it is happening

960
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 13: because that is exactly the situation when you have a

961
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 13: regional project of significance like that that drives economic activity,

962
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 13: high paying jobs, or a national project. That's why we

963
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 13: want people to be able to use that mechanism to

964
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 13: get those projects delivered and done. So you know, I

965
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 13: won't go into specifics in the merits whether you know

966
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 13: they've got a case of fast track or not, but

967
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 13: you'd look at it and go when we've got projects

968
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 13: generating economic activity and jobs. The whole point is that

969
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 13: shouldn't get blocked up. It should be getting done so

970
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 13: we can get that benefit into the country quicker.

971
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So the councils accepted that the expansion plan

972
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: would result in more than a billion dollars worth of

973
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: wider economic activity annually, supporting up for sixteen thousand jobs,

974
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: and yet they still turned it down.

975
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 4: Yep.

976
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 13: And I thought it was on explation environmental benefits. No,

977
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 13: I can't. That is insane because essentially we need economic

978
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 13: activity in this country. We cannot turn off growth and

979
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 13: we cannot turn off economic development. And that's why we

980
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 13: want to do this fast track one stop. Because it

981
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 13: has got nuts. Obviously, the resource CONSENTI process is doubled,

982
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 13: the cost has gone through the roof. It takes an

983
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 13: ordinanate amount of time to do things in this country

984
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 13: relative to other countries and modern reliable infrastructure is one

985
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 13: of the five ways in which we actually lift our

986
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 13: economic productivity and make meseem a more wealthy and prosperous place.

987
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 13: And so you know the reason we're building a four

988
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 13: lay highway form a quantapomaday and then to be able

989
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 13: to create economic opportunity. Those unlock infrastructure.

990
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 2: Unlocks all of that exactly. Speaking of Northland, do Transpower

991
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: ohe that region a significant amount of money?

992
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 13: Well, I'll let Simmy and Brown work his way through that.

993
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 13: But I mean, there wasn't their finest moment.

994
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: What is the government's role in that? If Transpower turned

995
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: out to be a bunch of bastards.

996
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 13: I'm going to leave that to Simmy and Brown. I

997
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 13: know he's all over it and incredibly frustrated by he

998
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 13: went up and actually saw the situation himself in the

999
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 13: first day or two. And he'll work it through with

1000
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 13: them and Northland had.

1001
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: They handled themselves well so far, Transpower and Maxim, well

1002
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 2: you like them to.

1003
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 13: I would personally, I think you know, when you screw

1004
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 13: up and when you make a mistake, I should come

1005
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 13: out and say so, and you should communicate as such

1006
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 13: quickly and early. There probably wasn't as lucid communication at

1007
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 13: the very beginning was my observation of that.

1008
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: Effect, all are you selling key We Bank?

1009
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 13: No, no, no, We're doing a review and to banks

1010
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 13: in general, and we want to make sure that it's

1011
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 13: competitive and understand what else we can do to make

1012
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 13: it more competitive.

1013
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: I think we have one of the things to make

1014
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: it more competitive be to sell key We Bank.

1015
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 13: That's that's not the topic of discussion. We haven't had

1016
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 13: that discussion. What we've talked about is actually opening up

1017
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 13: a banking review, both through the Finance Expensi Committee and

1018
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 13: the Primary Production. We are concerned about rural banking practices.

1019
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 13: We're concerned about the level of competition and profitability and

1020
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 13: margin with the New Zealand banks.

1021
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: So Nikola Willis didn't raise the subject broadly. You'll get

1022
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 2: together in that cold haul over the weekend in any way,

1023
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: shape or form.

1024
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 13: She referenced it in her speech as you well know.

1025
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 13: But again we're up for anything and everything that includes

1026
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 13: getting more competition to the market. But in fairness, we

1027
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 13: need to start at that review with the banks first

1028
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 13: and foremost, and then we'll work out the best way

1029
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 13: to what we'll do After that.

1030
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: So in being up for anything and everything that presumably

1031
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 2: means selling key we bank, then doesn't it potentially well.

1032
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 13: The first order of effect is actually to bring in

1033
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 13: the cheers CEOs of the banks and worked out what

1034
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 13: the hell's going on. I am concerned in rural banking

1035
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 13: in particular that they also have been charged higher interest

1036
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 13: rates under some pressure at different times by their banks.

1037
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 13: I'm concerned, you know that, I want to look at

1038
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 13: bank profitability and margins relative to other parts of the world,

1039
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 13: and I make sure we've got a competitive market and

1040
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 13: we've also got a fear market.

1041
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: Okay, As regards education, generally, there eighty four percent opposition

1042
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: of the ECE regulation changes, which is I think I'm

1043
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: right in saying they're sort of act driven. But Erica

1044
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: Stanford was on the programming IS today, obviously on this

1045
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: maths business, and all I heard from our newsroom were

1046
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: a bunch of unionists whining about how it's not you know,

1047
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: we're doing fine, et cetera, et cetera. She said, don't

1048
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: we're not doing fine? Well, no, exactly, I know we're

1049
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 2: all we I mean, you can't argue with the fact

1050
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: we're not doing fine, she said, you don't listen to

1051
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: the unions. We've got to stop listening to the unions.

1052
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 13: Does she have a fear point, Well, I mean they

1053
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 13: can criticize us as much as they want. I mean,

1054
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 13: we're coming out to we're worried about parents, and we're

1055
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 13: worried about kids, and so no disrespect. But when four

1056
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 13: out of five of our kids are not ready to

1057
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 13: god to do math high school, that is a major

1058
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 13: major problem. When three out of five of them are

1059
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 13: actually more than a year behind where they should be,

1060
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 13: major major problems. So we are moving heaven and earth

1061
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 13: to make sure we pull that curriculum forward a year.

1062
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 13: We've now got the Teaching Council good on them. They've

1063
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 13: responded to that same data and said, you know, we've

1064
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 13: got to actually put an entry level requirement that teachers

1065
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 13: coming into the system can have what it called Form

1066
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 13: six or Level two maths, which will be good because

1067
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 13: they're not they haven't felt confident to teach maths to

1068
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 13: our kids. We're putting more money into professional dealing for

1069
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 13: the existing teachers. We're doing two years the assessments we've

1070
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 13: got error in our focused on achievement and earlier interventions

1071
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 13: around schools not achieving academically. So yeah, look, there's only

1072
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 13: two things we've got to do with our kids at

1073
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 13: the moment in education, and we might you know, we're

1074
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 13: sacrificing it and we have to push back the nice

1075
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 13: to do stuff. We the must do stuff is actually

1076
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 13: teach our kids to read and teach them to do maths,

1077
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 13: because how on earth do you get a four lane

1078
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 13: highway from Workland to finer A with the future generations

1079
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 13: they can't do maths. How do you become the world

1080
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 13: leading country and egre science if we don't have our

1081
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 13: kids knowing how and do maths and to read properly.

1082
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: So where Yeah, my point is the humans are arguing

1083
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Speaker 2: with you. They're saying you're wrong and if only we've

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Speaker 2: had my money find it's just the same old, same old.

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Speaker 13: Look, we are focused on outcomes and there is no

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Speaker 13: way you can say anyone in New Zealand ir respect.

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Speaker 14: Of your politics.

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Speaker 13: And it's not a political issue anymore. It's a New

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Speaker 13: Zealand issue. Four out of five kids not ready to

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Speaker 13: go from maths into high school. And if you're a

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Speaker 13: thirteen year old, you shar up at high school and

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Speaker 13: you do maths like a ten or eleven year old,

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Speaker 13: no wonder, you don't want to be at school anymore.

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Speaker 13: So then it links very quickly into attendance. So we're

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Speaker 13: focused on two things achievement maths and reading and attendance

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Speaker 13: get kids to school. And if we can just do

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Speaker 13: those basics, well, and that may well mean that, yes,

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Speaker 13: we're going to defer our arts and music curriculum for now,

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Speaker 13: but we're going to focus on doing everything to get

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Speaker 13: those jobs done.

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Speaker 2: Right, Can you explain how it was you ever expected

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Speaker 2: a teacher who couldn't even get NCEEA Level two maths

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Speaker 2: to teach maths was going to work? How's that possible?

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Speaker 13: Well, well, that's been a challenge because you know, I

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Speaker 13: remember looking at the days of a year and a

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Speaker 13: half ago, forty percent that our teachers teaching year four kids,

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Speaker 13: which are nine year olds don't feel enough, don't have

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Speaker 13: confidence to teach maths properly.

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Speaker 2: So its never passed starting. I mean, what do you expect.

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Speaker 13: It hasn't been a requirement, hasn't been a requirement, and

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Speaker 13: now it will be going forward?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know you're fixing it, but I mean

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00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: this is this goes back to this conversation we keep

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Speaker 2: having every week, which is like, I just can't understand

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00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: the idiocy that's driven this country. How do you expect

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00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: a teacher who can't do maths then go along and

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00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: teach maths. It doesn't work. It was never going to

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Speaker 2: It doesn't work.

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Speaker 16: It doesn't work.

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Speaker 13: But the point is, I can't wallow in.

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Speaker 5: The past, Bok.

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Speaker 13: I have to focus on the future. So I have

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Speaker 13: to deal with a set of facts and cards that

1124
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Speaker 13: I've been dealt and I'm trying to fix things. And

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Speaker 13: so one of the things we've got to fix is

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Speaker 13: clearly massive reading and education in general. So we've been

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00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 13: ruthlessly focused on saying we want everybody coming into the

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Speaker 13: Ministry of education, everyone going to school today, every parent

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Speaker 13: to be getting their kids to school, to focus on

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Speaker 13: reading and mathematics and attendance, because those are the things

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Speaker 13: they're going to set New Zealand up for success and

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Speaker 13: so the kids up for success. And you know, as

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Speaker 13: I keep saying, I'm passionate about education because I'm a

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00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 13: kid who you know, parents have scored fifteen sixteen. I

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Speaker 13: did well because they had a good education, and I

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Speaker 13: want that for every key weekid irrespected where they come from,

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Speaker 13: or what background they come from or home life. So

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Speaker 13: we've got to do this and we've got to be

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00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 13: you know, and we're going to do it at speed,

1140
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 13: and we're going to do it with ruthless focus and frankly, commentators,

1141
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 13: pundits and unions can say whatever the hell they want,

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Speaker 13: but we're to getting this job done.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate time. Chris Bluxom, Prime Minister, Tuesday Mornings on The

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Speaker 2: Mike Hosking Breakfast thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Two Cool The Mic Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on

1146
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by News Talks at.

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Speaker 2: Be ten minutes away from it. I think we have

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Speaker 2: a pause of ben a turmoil. Do we all Are

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Speaker 2: you selling Kywi Bank?

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Speaker 13: No, no, no, We're doing a review and to banks

1151
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Speaker 13: in general, and we want to make sure that it's competitive.

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00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: Certainly a truck through. That's why I gave it another go.

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00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 2: It was one of the things to make a more

1154
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Speaker 2: competitive be to sell Kiwi Bank.

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Speaker 13: That's not that's not the topic of discussion. We haven't

1156
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Speaker 13: had that discussion.

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Speaker 2: Well haven't we are? Erica not Erica Nikola Willis over

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Speaker 2: the weekend at the meeting. I would like to see

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Speaker 2: Kiwi bank grow. I would like it to become a

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Speaker 2: disruptive competitor that takes on the big Australian owned banks.

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Speaker 2: It can't do that without extra capital, and I am

1162
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Speaker 2: interested in exploring where that capital might come from. Lots

1163
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Speaker 2: of key we saver funds, New Zealand investment funds in

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00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: New Zealanders themselves are looking for homegrown places to put

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Speaker 2: their money and invest in New Zealand's future. So one

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Speaker 2: of the ways you bring money into a bank for

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Speaker 2: any business to grow is you float it or sellers or.

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Speaker 13: That's not that's not the topic of discussion. We haven't

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Speaker 13: had that discussion.

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Speaker 2: Eight minutes away from eight.

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Speaker 1: The costume Breakfast with Bailey's.

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Speaker 2: Talk away from it, I totally heard the truck pause

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Speaker 2: and you you would ask again, Mike Love being a

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Speaker 2: loyal listening You see, that's where the goal is. Be

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00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: tuned every day. You never miss a thing. It's all

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00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 2: the magic there. And Mike, how can these primary teachers

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Speaker 2: become teachers that they can't do mass well because the

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Speaker 2: criteria is not there. They don't ask you to do mats.

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Speaker 2: You don't need level two maths. It seems astonishing, but

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Speaker 2: nevertheless it is true, but it will go back to

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Speaker 2: that overarching argument. The tougher you make it are, the

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Speaker 2: more difficult it is to recruit teachers. And we're desperate

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Speaker 2: to recruit teachers. Mike, I love it the Chris Luxe

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00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 2: and is looking to address a national shame like our

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Speaker 2: poor maths and reading performance. What on earth did you

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Speaker 2: sinder Hepkins and code do in the space for six years? Well,

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Speaker 2: they bug it up, basically, It's what they did. That

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00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: interview we did earlier on with the like from the

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Speaker 2: University of Whykato. I mean, it's just open admission now

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Speaker 2: that the way we handle COVID, that the borders were

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00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: closed too long, the regulations were hopeless, that we lost

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Speaker 2: our vibe, we lost our fizz, and when the world

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Speaker 2: had to look at us again, we just don't look

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Speaker 2: the same anymore. And that's the sort of material damage

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Speaker 2: that has been and is being done to the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand economy. I mean, forget education. Look at the bottom line.

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Speaker 2: It was a fi it was a fight, you know,

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Speaker 2: just look at the numbers. They don't lie. It was

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Speaker 2: a five billion dollar industry international students. It's now aiming

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Speaker 2: to be by twenty twenty seven, eight years after covid

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Speaker 2: a four point four billion dollar industry. We're aiming to

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Speaker 2: be less than we once were. That's how pathetic it is, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Why would you bother fixing the brinderwins when the local

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00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: councils here don't have an Northport expansion are you've got

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00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: to be bigger than them? You know how the council

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00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: even begin to justify this. This appeal court here is

1207
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: going to be fascinating to see which way they go down.

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Speaker 2: And if you ever want this is the gold medal

1209
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Speaker 2: example of why you need fast track because when you

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Speaker 2: admit and accept that what you're trying to do adds

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Speaker 2: a billion dollars a year to the economy, a billion

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Speaker 2: and sixteen thousand jobs. When you know that and accept it,

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Speaker 2: and everyone in the room goes yep, absolutely no, no

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Speaker 2: disagreement there at all. But on cultural effects, the magnitude

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Speaker 2: of adverse cultural effects will be significantly adverse. So the

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Speaker 2: billion and the sixteen thousand jobs, don't worry about them,

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Speaker 2: because the adverse effect on the cultural effects that's we're

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Speaker 2: not doing it. You can't make this stuff up, right.

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Speaker 2: Charlie Wallace leave school early, turns out to be a

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Speaker 2: bit of a genius. He's got a great story. He's next.

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Speaker 1: Your trusted source for news and fews, the Mic Hosking

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Speaker 1: Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, doing real estate differently since

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 2: News togsad Bears closed down one thousand and thirty three

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Speaker 2: for the day at thirty eight, seven oh three, So

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Speaker 2: we'll see what Asia we actually came out of it

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Speaker 2: not if you follow the markets, it's moderately interesting. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure I'm reading much into all of this at

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Speaker 2: the moment, given that they just a couple of weeks

1230
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Speaker 2: ago thought that the growth was too strong and cuts

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Speaker 2: weren't coming because boy oh boy, how good was the

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Speaker 2: American economy until the jobs number came in and then

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Speaker 2: it wasn't good and now we're having a recession. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell we were talking about. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Asia yesterday was ugly, super ugly, But we weren't as

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Speaker 2: a as everybody else. Mind, you could probably argue we

1237
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: didn't have to, we didn't have as much to lose.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, the dalls closed down over a thousand, so

1239
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Speaker 2: a couple of really bad days in a seven past

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Speaker 2: eight so got a great key we self made story

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Speaker 2: for you this morning. You most likely have not heard

1242
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: of Black Smoke Trigger. It's a band. It's been put

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00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: together by Charlie Wallace. Wallace I got successful after we

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00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: dropped out of school and started an online guitar lessons

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00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: website that made him a multi millionaire, which allowed him

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Speaker 2: to explore the idea of a band, which is where

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Speaker 2: managers and producers from groups like Foo Fighters, Lincoln Park

1248
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: and Corn get involved. It has resulted in their debut

1249
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Speaker 2: album and Charlie Wallace as Willis Charlie morning to you.

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Speaker 2: You know morning Mike ol good, thank you have I

1251
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Speaker 2: got that story about right, Yeah, that's in a nutshell fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Why'd you leave school early?

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Speaker 14: It just didn't work for me.

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Speaker 22: You know, I knew exactly what I wanted to do,

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Speaker 22: and that was to be successful playing the guitar in

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Speaker 22: one way form of another.

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Speaker 4: And you know, before I.

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Speaker 22: Dropped out, I was doing pretty good. But you know,

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Speaker 22: I literally left school. In the next year, I was

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Speaker 22: teaching guitar in school. So it was a pretty weird transition,

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Speaker 22: you know, going from being told off from the principal's

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Speaker 22: office to hanging out in the staff room, different school.

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Speaker 2: But that's funny, what were your parents telling you?

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Speaker 22: My parents are telling me just just absolutely go for it,

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Speaker 22: you know, they were they could see the work that

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Speaker 22: I was putting in, and you know, and effectively, you know,

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Speaker 22: if you work hard enough it's something that you want

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01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 22: to do, then you know, I don't think you can

1269
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Speaker 22: have anyone tell you that you know you're doing it wrong.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in the Guitar Mastery one oh one. Was

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01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: it instantly successful or was it a slow burn on

1272
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 2: the knees?

1273
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 22: Definitely a little bit of a slow slow burn. So

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Speaker 22: Guitar Mastery one o one was the first course that

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01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 22: I ever released and the company which then became Guitar

1276
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Speaker 22: master Method. And funny story is actually yesterday to ten

1277
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Speaker 22: years through the day was the first day I actually

1278
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Speaker 22: put that course up for sale. So I had released

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Speaker 22: like ebooks when I was, you know, just after I

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Speaker 22: left school, like ebooks online with audio clips. It was

1281
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Speaker 22: different guitar exercises and that kind of thing, and added

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Speaker 22: a little bit of success.

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Speaker 16: And so I thought, well, what if I was just

1284
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Speaker 16: to go full.

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Speaker 22: Out and make you know, a full video course, And

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Speaker 22: that was what I had no idea I was actually

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Speaker 22: starting a company into what has now become one of

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Speaker 22: the biggest guitar lesson companies in the world, and then

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Speaker 22: so it was you know, it's just one of those

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Speaker 22: things that I just worked incredibly hard with that, and

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Speaker 22: you know, I just kind of really leant into the

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Speaker 22: gym ro own quote of if you help enough people

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Speaker 22: get what they want in life, then you can have

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Speaker 22: anything that you want in life. And that's you know,

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Speaker 22: really starting to come to fruition.

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Speaker 2: Now that's super cool. Did you make your money from

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Speaker 2: the income stream or did you make your money from

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Speaker 2: the sale of the company, so.

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Speaker 22: I still own the company?

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Speaker 2: Oh you still got it?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, So it was it's just your money coming

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01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 22: in and you know, just putting it in the right

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01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 22: places as well, you know, just different different properties that

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Speaker 22: I've owned that have gone up on value. You know

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Speaker 22: that all that stuff definitely.

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Speaker 2: Helps because how much of its timing, Because I mean,

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Speaker 2: you're going back far enough, are you not that the

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Speaker 2: net and all of that sort of stuff was new

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Speaker 2: wish and if you got in early enough, you were

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Speaker 2: one of the first because I mean the nets dowb Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's inundated with people playing guitars and teaching you how

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Speaker 2: to sing songs these days.

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Speaker 22: Well, it didn't feel like that at the time because

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Speaker 22: at the time, of course, you know, everything always feels

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Speaker 22: you know, competitive, and everything is always difficult. But you know,

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Speaker 22: for instance, the reality is the cost of online advertising

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01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 22: is you know, continuously increased year over year every year.

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Speaker 16: So there were.

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Speaker 22: Definitely elements of right timing. You know, I could see

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Speaker 22: where the market sophistication was within the world of guitar lessons.

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Speaker 22: The whole thing was kind of boring at the time online,

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01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 22: So I was like, right, a lot, just sit up

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01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 22: at you know, the local music venue here at the CAABA,

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Speaker 22: and I'll get the rock you know, stage lights on

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01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 22: and make it like, you know, look kind of cool.

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Speaker 22: And then so you know, and I just really developed

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Speaker 22: a really strong relationship with the you know, with the

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Speaker 22: people who were joining. You know, we've had guitarists from

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Speaker 22: all around the world flights to Zealands to you know,

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Speaker 22: to hang out and do you know, do guitar Clinic's

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Speaker 22: here in first then, you know, and of course we've

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Speaker 22: got you know, seventy percent of our our members are

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Speaker 22: in the US and pretty much everywhere in the world.

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Speaker 22: I go, I get recognized and they say, you know, hey,

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Speaker 22: you're the guitar guy.

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Speaker 2: Was this a means to an end? So in other words,

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Speaker 2: the idea was I'm going to make my money at

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Speaker 2: this and at that point, I'm going to be able

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Speaker 2: to fund a band. Is that how it worked?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 22: Well what happened was we as the band that I

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Speaker 22: was in when one band competession here in Hawk's way

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01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 22: to take us nationwide thing. But we got to go

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01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 22: and play some shows over in Europe and God promised

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01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 22: the world came back and I was twenty one twenty

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Speaker 22: two at the time, and I had like literally no money.

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Speaker 22: I remember going to the supermarket needing to get food

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Speaker 22: for me and my girlfriend at the time, food for

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01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 22: the cats, toilet paper, and petrol and looking at my

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Speaker 22: wallet and I had two dollars forty and I was like, okay,

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01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 22: this is not going to work because I thought, okay,

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Speaker 22: well I'm going to get the cat food because I

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01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 22: deserve to know that I'm poor. And I remember thinking

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01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 22: I am not going to be able to make my

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01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 22: music career success without you know, some memes and then

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Speaker 22: so so that was the spark that just really has

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01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 22: made me just go full at it, and then you know,

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Speaker 22: obviously it just wasn't until twenty nineteen that you know,

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Speaker 22: for instance, I was able to start putting at least

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Speaker 22: a full time effort and to what becomes Black Smoke.

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Speaker 2: Tuggar fantastic. Let me let me involve food Fighters, Lincoln

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Speaker 2: Park and Corner. Just a moment on there for a second.

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Speaker 2: Charlie Wallace more in a month thirteen past the.

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Speaker 1: Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, car it

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Speaker 1: By News.

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Speaker 2: Talksp Talks to Me sixteen past a Charlie Wallace is

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Speaker 2: the guest. Black Smoke Trigger is the band. So let's

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Speaker 2: continue the story. Charlie, So as a model, is it

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Speaker 2: something that you can recommend or is it an idea? So,

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Speaker 2: in other words, you raise your money, you make money

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01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 2: doing somewhere else with a view to funding a band

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Speaker 2: as opposed to just being a talent and hoping somebody

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01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 2: comes your way, like a record company or a manager

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Speaker 2: and funds you into success that way.

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Speaker 22: Well, I think that the music industry is right now,

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Speaker 22: in this current state, inherently broken, and the way that

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Speaker 22: you know any time that a record company or anything

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01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 22: like that is going to invest in you, you have

1379
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 22: to pay one hundred percent of that money back anyway,

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Speaker 22: so you effectively are funding yourself one shape form or another.

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Speaker 16: You know.

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Speaker 22: It's not like, for instance, sport, where if you are

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01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 22: the best at something, you can quite obviously you know,

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01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 22: show that. With music and art, it's subjective, which makes

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01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 22: it a little bit trickier. So I definitely think that,

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01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 22: you know, if you have the skills and you have

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Speaker 22: the dedication to put a decade into it, then you know,

1388
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 22: building a business getting enough money so that you can actually,

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Speaker 22: you know, be able to fund it is definitely a

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01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 22: good idea.

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Speaker 2: I feel right with managers and producers, so food Fighters,

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01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 2: Lincoln Park, et cetera. How did they come into the mix?

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Speaker 22: Well, I keep on going to the US for different

1394
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 22: business stuff. And I had a friend, Britt Barker, who

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01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 22: was Taylor Swift's first manager, and he said to me,

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01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 22: you keep coming to the US, but you haven't been

1397
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 22: to Nashville, National is the music capital of the world.

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01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 22: You've got to come and visit me. I'll show you around.

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Speaker 22: So while I was there, I was catching up with

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01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 22: another friend of mine who said, do you want to

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01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 22: meet Michael Wagner, and I'm thinking, all this guy effectively produced,

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01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 22: you know, all the records. I grew up with the

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01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 22: Metallic Girls. I was born Motley Crowe. And then so

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01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 22: I go to his studio, see all the gold and

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01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 22: silver records everywhere, and my friend said, Charlie plays in

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01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 22: the band. And so at this point he says, well,

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01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 22: I'll send me some tracks. I'd love to hear them.

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01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 22: After he heard them, he said that this is this

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01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 22: music is right up my alley. If you ever want

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01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 22: to work together, then let me know. So effectively, that's

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01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 22: what really started Black Smok, Trigger and the Tirety, because

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01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 22: then we just went full out writing and went over

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01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 22: to Nashville recorded with Michael and then one of the

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01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 22: songs that we recorded there we actually had Mick Mar's

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01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 22: from Motley Crue play on. And the lead single was

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01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 22: a song called Court in the Undertow, which I came

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01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 22: up with the idea to train and film the music

1418
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 22: video underwater, and we did that and it got a

1419
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 22: lot of attention, and through that through the pandemic, when

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01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 22: everything was a little bit quiet, we landed on the

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01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 22: desk of Andy Gould, who is our manager, who's La

1422
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 22: based and he's managed everyone from Lincoln Park to Lionel

1423
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 22: Ritchie to Rob Zombie Guns and Roses and stuff. And

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01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 22: then when we wanted to, you know, for instance, get

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01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 22: this new record that we've just released just this past weekend,

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01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 22: he said, who do you want to work with? And

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01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 22: we said Necroskiller next, just because of the incredible albums

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01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 22: that he had done with Bansley Allison, Chains and Food Fighters,

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01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 22: corn Halstorm and then so we had multiple trips to

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01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 22: Nashville to record with him, and he actually even traveled

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01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 22: here to Hawks Bay to finish the record. So there's

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01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 22: a big, long journey to get to this point.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the questions I'm going to ask, you're

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01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 2: not hampered by the fact you're on Hawk's Bay and

1435
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: so geography is not the issue.

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Speaker 22: Well, I mean, the thing is ever we're is only

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01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 22: ever a plane slight away, and with the Internet and everything,

1438
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 22: you know, it's like you can be talking to anyone

1439
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 22: anywhere in the world's in you know, a couple of

1440
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 22: minutes from now if you need it to be.

1441
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: So, how good's the album and how big are you

1442
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 2: going to be?

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01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 22: Well again, music is completely subjective, but we really like

1444
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 22: we feel This is putting a stamp you into the

1445
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 22: world of who we are as a band and the

1446
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 22: idea with what we are going to be doing as

1447
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 22: we are going to be pushing the boat out as

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01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 22: far as we possibly can. We've just wrapped up a

1449
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 22: couple of tours with New Zealand Australia with US band Filter.

1450
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 22: We're just supporting Bruce Dickinson from Iron Maiden in Europe

1451
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 22: and then so at this point where you're digging in

1452
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 22: and getting new ideas, getting a whole bunch of a

1453
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 22: whole bunch more so, getting ready to get into our

1454
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 22: next recording phase, and we're going to be trying to

1455
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 22: make this thing as big and as fun as it

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01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 22: possibly can be.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. Well, I love the story. I think it's fantastic

1458
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: and I wish you every level of success. Feedback so far, Mike,

1459
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 2: Charlie is the main guitar classes are awesome, any genre,

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01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 2: any skill level cover Definitely recommend to anyone looking for

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01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 2: online lessons. Somebody goes black trigger smokes bass players a

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01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 2: musical genius. I'm assuming you'd agree with that, Charlie. Mike,

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01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 2: how about playing Sun Cries re when Charlie's online Charlie's

1464
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 2: group is, in my opinion, one of New Zealand's better groups.

1465
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 2: Need more air time. There you go, so you've got support.

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01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 22: Fantastic.

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01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 2: Good on you mate. We'll go well with it. Take

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01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: care and we'll catch up again soon. Charlie Wallace, lead

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01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 2: of Black Smoke Trigger album is out now eight twenty two.

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Speaker 1: The mic Hosking Breakfast with a Vita Retirement, Communities News, Dogs.

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Speaker 2: Head be U's Dogs Aba twenty five. Mike ask I

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Speaker 2: fear what he drives? And that was a strange text

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01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 2: to receive, so I said to Sami. I said, Sammy

1474
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 2: ask him afare. But then the next cat text cam

1475
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 2: and Mike ask him does he hate driving his Ferrari

1476
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 2: over the huge speed bunts of napiers. I think, oh,

1477
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 2: he's got a Ferrari. Good on. It turns out he

1478
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 2: may have a Ferrari. But then again he may not

1479
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 2: because Sammy Rangham what he was claiming to have was

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01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: Lambo sixteen to four. So the four's important because that's

1481
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: four wheel drive, and you want a four wheel drive Lamber.

1482
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 2: You can get a six ten two wheel driver. You

1483
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 2: don't want that's too much power with not enough wheels.

1484
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 2: You know, so A four's the fours the one. So

1485
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: either the person who says he's got a Ferrari does

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01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: know that their cars and he's got a Lambou, or

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01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 2: he's got a Lambeau and a Ferrari. If he's got

1488
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 2: a lambo in a ferrari's living the dream. Do you

1489
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 2: want to know what I drive the other day? Tractor? No, ASB,

1490
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 2: I've inherited a nineteen ninety three. I'll come back to

1491
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 2: that in just a moment. ASB just dropped their interest rates.

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01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 2: We've got the ocr next week. They're not going next week.

1493
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going next week. Where do you

1494
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 2: reckon they're going next week? There's some buzz around the

1495
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,839
Speaker 2: fact they're going next week. Things are evolving so quickly

1496
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 2: that the forecast from some and there weren't many of

1497
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 2: them who said they're going to go in August. Most

1498
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 2: of us thought that was absurd. But I'm watching what's

1499
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 2: happening in America literally now, Asia yesterday, probably again today,

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01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 2: Australia at the Reserve Bank tomorrow. Maybe maybe August is alive.

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01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: But jeez, I tell you what, what I don't know

1502
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 2: about Adrian or as he's got an enormous ego, and

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01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 2: what he's telling us officially at the moment is he's

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01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 2: not cutting till next year. So that is a massive

1505
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 2: miss on his part that he will have to explain

1506
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 2: in some way, shape or form it. I mean, he'll

1507
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 2: do it if he has to, but big col anyway,

1508
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 2: ASB six point twenty five for two years, the eighteen

1509
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 2: month is down to six four nine, three and four

1510
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 2: year money is at five nine to nine. And I

1511
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 2: can tell you something for nothing. When they go, they're

1512
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 2: going to go. Whether it's August or not, I doubt,

1513
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 2: but nevertheless, when they go, they're going to go. And

1514
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 2: because they bug at it and the economy is too tanked,

1515
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 2: and so I wouldn't. I wouldn't get a fizzign over

1516
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 2: this money just yet. This wild take my advice or not,

1517
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't. There's there's plenty more room for movement

1518
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: to come. Anyway. I didn't get around to asking you

1519
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 2: about Paul Simon. There's a thing coming, a documentary come

1520
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 2: movie called in Restless Dreams that I'm starting to see

1521
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 2: a little bit about, and I've seen some of but

1522
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: it's doing the film festivals, and you know, me and

1523
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 2: film festivals. I mean, the chance of me ever been

1524
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 2: at the film festival without zero. So I'll ask you

1525
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: some more questions about in restless rooms. In just a

1526
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 2: couple of months, news though, is next.

1527
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues the

1528
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 1: mic asking breakfast with Veda, retirement communities, Life your Way

1529
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 1: news Tog said B.

1530
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,759
Speaker 2: While we're on the interest rate front to Westpac updated

1531
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 2: their forecasts, so the RB next week, they don't see

1532
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: anything happening in August. They see October and November couple

1533
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 2: of twenty five point cuts, then another one in feb

1534
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 2: and another one in May see you down to four

1535
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 2: and a half for the cash rate by May of

1536
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 2: next year. And partly that is driven by the fact

1537
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 2: that they see Q two and Q three of the

1538
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 2: New Zealand economy. Q two being just completed, of course,

1539
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 2: and we're into Q three now we're going backwards in

1540
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 2: both quarters, which means of course a recession. And on

1541
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 2: the back of the ASP numbers I just gave you

1542
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 2: for mortgages, QI Bank of joined the party this morning.

1543
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 2: They're dropping some reasonable drops of thirty points. Are not

1544
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 2: spooking this? Let me just take them or leave them

1545
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 2: long term money's down to sixty three to nine, sorry,

1546
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 2: down to six oh nine, from six to three nine.

1547
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 2: Six oh nine not as good as asb's four year.

1548
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 2: At six oh nine, you can get a year fixed

1549
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 2: at sixty seven five, down from six to eight five.

1550
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 2: So the banks are starting to move, but that's competition

1551
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 2: with them, the banks, because of course they're not lending

1552
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 2: enough money into the marketplace, so they want to drum

1553
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 2: up a bit of business. Twenty two minutes away from.

1554
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,560
Speaker 1: Nine International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of

1555
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand.

1556
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: Business to Britain, we go rather than good morning to you,

1557
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 2: good morning tea mate. Give me some perspective. How much

1558
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 2: of Britain's on fire and how much of it's hyped

1559
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 2: by the tabloids, and how big an issue is this

1560
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 2: for a brand new prime minister.

1561
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 4: It's very interesting. I think the time of the year

1562
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 4: is important. My my measure was always that if there

1563
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 4: are riots in high summer, they're probably not that important

1564
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 4: and will dwindle. That's always been the case in the past.

1565
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,879
Speaker 4: That being said, it's spread across the north of the country,

1566
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 4: Stoke to a degree in Manchester, Bolton, Liverpool, Sunderland, Halfleypool,

1567
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 4: Hartlepool is where it began, which is Harleypool is where

1568
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 4: it began, and Horleypool is the most pro Brexit town

1569
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 4: in the country, and then my hometown of Middlesbrough last night.

1570
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:44,560
Speaker 4: It seems to me to be entirely football based. I

1571
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 4: know that sounds absurd, but it seems to me that

1572
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 4: the people who are taking part in these demonstrations, and

1573
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 4: they've all occurred in towns with well supported football clubs.

1574
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:04,600
Speaker 4: The lead of the group who let them middles for

1575
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 4: Riots is on a banning order from the local football

1576
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 4: club Middlesbrough and goes to watch Rangers instead, which gives

1577
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:19,879
Speaker 4: you an indication history's politics. It is basically fat, working

1578
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 4: class fifty five year old former football hooligans who want

1579
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 4: to punch up with the police.

1580
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: I'm I'm glad you said that because as I was

1581
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 2: watching the pictures, and I watched a lot of them,

1582
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 2: they all seem to look like their names would be

1583
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 2: Tommy or Brian, and most of them had buzz cuts.

1584
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 4: That's that's exactly right. Some of them will be called

1585
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 4: grass or chairs as well. But you're you're you're absolutely right.

1586
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 4: Uh And don't forget the d L. The English Defense

1587
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 4: League was originally formed from football hooligans and Tommy Robinson,

1588
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 4: the name we all invoke and pray that he will

1589
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 4: not return. Tommy Robinson himself was, you know, a looton

1590
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 4: town football. This is football hooliganism taking place before the

1591
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 4: start of the season. Now there may well be some

1592
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:16,919
Speaker 4: far right involvement. That wouldn't surprise me. I've had countless

1593
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,560
Speaker 4: injunctions sent to me to turn out to riot, and

1594
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 4: they've all been worded by an Limba seal with the spelling,

1595
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 4: grammar and so on that you would expect. So I

1596
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 4: think there's an awful one of I think it's very

1597
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 4: closely tied to football hooliganism. I think there is a

1598
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 4: right wing element to it somewhere at the back. There

1599
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 4: is a justified annoyance at the way in which some

1600
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 4: of these people feel that their towns or cities have

1601
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 4: been taken over by immigrants. But this latest sort of

1602
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 4: orgy of violence is really an excuse to have a puncture,

1603
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 4: was based on misinformation disseminated partly by Nagel Farage, and

1604
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 4: will surely end very very soon, I would.

1605
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:13,560
Speaker 2: Imagine, which I'm assuming will be of enormous relief to Kiyostama,

1606
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: who needs us like a hole in the head.

1607
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1608
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 4: Though, in fairness, because the riots are easily by the

1609
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 4: mainstream media able to be labeled far right, it doesn't

1610
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,839
Speaker 4: hurt him to be seen to be taking tough actions,

1611
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 4: which is what he's done by sort of announcing a

1612
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 4: standing army to sort all this out. I don't know,

1613
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 4: I don't know what that means, if I'm honest, Mike,

1614
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 4: but he's clearly plant down very hard on it. And

1615
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 4: of course the mantra from those in London is from

1616
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 4: the Labor Party in London is you know, we're a

1617
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 4: tolerant and decent society and this has all got to stop,

1618
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 4: which is fair enough. People will be watching to make

1619
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 4: sure that these protects are not treated with more severely than,

1620
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 4: for example, the Extinction rebellion protesters who defaced works of

1621
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 4: art and smashed up stuff down in London, my suspicions say,

1622
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 4: will be treated with far more severely.

1623
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 2: I don't doubt that Mark Rowley, the tabloids are trying

1624
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 2: to make a thing of it. So he quote unquote

1625
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 2: storms out of the Cobra meeting. I've seen the video,

1626
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like he's storming. He looks like he's

1627
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 2: walking at a brisk pace back to the office. Anyway,

1628
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 2: greb's a microphone. They're talking about two tier policing in

1629
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 2: this country. Is this a bleed up? I mean, are

1630
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 2: the police under pressure here or not?

1631
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 4: I think there is a genuine problem with the police,

1632
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 4: and that's the degree to which it has been politicized

1633
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 4: over the last twenty years, largely by the left, but

1634
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,560
Speaker 4: at the Conservative government's behest. You know, we now have

1635
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 4: police commissioners in a way that we never used to

1636
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 4: have elected police commissioners who tilt the agenda of the

1637
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 4: police in each area. And I think there is a

1638
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 4: real problem, and particularly with the Metropolitan Police, which really

1639
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 4: doesn't know where it stands at the moment, whether it's

1640
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 4: whether it's supposed to arrest people on suspicion of causing

1641
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 4: offenses or whether that's still racist, whether it should be

1642
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 4: spending more time painting its police cars in the rainbow colors,

1643
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 4: or perhaps taking more time to stop burgeries. There is

1644
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 4: a real political division over what the police is for

1645
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 4: and who should be controlling it, and I think that

1646
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 4: is a problem. Further down the line for Piers Starmer.

1647
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, my friend catch up on Thursday, Ron

1648
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 2: Little Out of the UK for sixteen to nine the like.

1649
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeart Radio powered by

1650
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: News Talks It be.

1651
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 2: Where it's thirteen away from nine. I alluded earlier on

1652
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 2: to TV three and very Good Place from Duncan Greeby

1653
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 2: rights for a thing called the spinoff. He's sort of

1654
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: fascinated by the media and writes quite often about the media. Anyway,

1655
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 2: TV three is in a world of pine. They're in

1656
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 2: real trouble. When I say TV three, it's really stuff stuff.

1657
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: Who run the news program for TV three or Warner

1658
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 2: Brothers Discovery these days. So the only time I heard

1659
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 2: or saw any numbers was it was broadly suggested that

1660
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 2: in their opening week, and I think one of them

1661
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 2: men going four weeks, maybe five weeks, are into the

1662
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 2: fifth week now, something like that. Anyway, at the opening week,

1663
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,879
Speaker 2: things were fine, they'd lost a little bit of audience,

1664
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,600
Speaker 2: nothing dramatic, but essentially what's happened, if you haven't followed this,

1665
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 2: is that Warner Brothers Discovery are buying the same sort

1666
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: of news package off stuff for It's alleged about half

1667
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 2: of what it used to cost them, so they're getting

1668
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 2: the same kind of thing for half the price. The

1669
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 2: numbers in the first week were sixty five and Duncan,

1670
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 2: for reasons best known to himself, mainly for advertising, I

1671
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 2: suspect quote the twenty five to fifty four demographic, which

1672
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 2: is big for advertisers anyway, twenty five to fifty four,

1673
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 2: so TV three had sixty four thousand dish viewers on

1674
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 2: any given night in that demographic. It's down from sixty eight,

1675
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 2: so they've lost a couple of thousand. No big deal,

1676
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 2: neither here nor there. That was the opening week. I

1677
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 2: paid no more attention to it. I've got my own

1678
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 2: views on the quality of the pro program that I

1679
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 2: can share with you another day. But for now, our

1680
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: numbers speak because at the end of the day, opinion

1681
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter, apart from the people who have left

1682
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 2: the building, which appears to be actually quite a lot.

1683
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,719
Speaker 2: Because last week Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, five day average,

1684
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 2: they're now down to forty seven thousand, four hundred, so

1685
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 2: they've dropped from sixty eight to forty seven. That is

1686
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 2: a material, stark, large, worrying problematic. Oh my god, this

1687
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 2: isn't going well type number. And if you compare it

1688
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 2: to TV and SAI, they've got one hundred and forty

1689
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 2: seven one hundred and forty seven thousand, So one hundred

1690
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 2: and forty seven versus forty seven. So that's a quarter

1691
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 2: of your audience has gone. Now it's their problem, not ours,

1692
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 2: of course, but that doesn't look good in a media

1693
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 2: landscape that overall doesn't look good at the best of times. Now,

1694
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 2: speaking by the way, paper Plus, I forgot to meet you,

1695
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 2: and I mentioned that the other day, and it was

1696
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 2: one of those weird things you know when the names,

1697
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 2: you know, the things you've used, the bits and pieces

1698
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 2: in your life. Smith than Cuwei going paper plus is

1699
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 2: one of the places everyone's been to paper plus, haven't they?

1700
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 2: Everyone goes to paper pluses. What do you do when

1701
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 2: you go to a card what do you do? You

1702
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 2: get a whickles or paper plus? Anyway, then are going

1703
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 2: to need a shareholder buyer because they're in a pile

1704
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 2: of panes.

1705
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 17: Well, do you just get them from the super market

1706
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 17: like I do?

1707
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 2: No, No, those glass containers you come. And so yesterday

1708
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 2: we're talking about glass containers. The kitchen Aid glass containers,

1709
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: and I worked out you said, what do I say?

1710
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 2: You had to spend six hundred years six hundred for

1711
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 2: a median size one. Now there are I think four

1712
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: plus a suction pump. So if you're paying six hundred

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01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 2: dollars worth of grocers for a medium one, what do

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01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 2: you reckon you're paying for a large one? You're paying

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01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 2: big bucks, aren't you? And I'm surprised? And this can

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01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 2: probably help TV three. They can do the story tonight,

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01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: get one of their crack journalists out on the story tonight,

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01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 2: because this is news you can use how much? And

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01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 2: I'm normally every thing that New Will does, they do

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01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 2: a do you know how much you have to spend

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01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 2: on groceries so you can get all the fry pans?

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01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 2: That story? They haven't done the kitchen aid story yet.

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01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 2: How much do you have to spend to get all

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01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 2: the kitchen aid containers along with the pump? And my guess,

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01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 2: I haven't done the numbers because guess what, I couldn't

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01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 2: give the monkeys, But I reckon it's two to three

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01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 2: thousand dollars at a guess if you're playing six hundred

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01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 2: dollars worth the grocers. For a medium one, you've got

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01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 2: one smaller and two above plus the pump. I think

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01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 2: you're playing well in with thousands, thousands of dollars for

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01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:23,759
Speaker 2: four glass containers.

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01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 17: You can get a second hand ev for there.

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01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 2: And a good one. It's nine away from nine.

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01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: Call the mic costing breakfast with the range Rover.

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Speaker 2: The large news togs hed been now Bailey's real estate

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01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 2: being all together better, of course, means being your trusted

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Speaker 2: partner in every corner of the property sector. So they've

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01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 2: worked hard to build this trust, of course over the years,

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Speaker 2: back by proven results and a commitment to doing things

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Speaker 2: differently across residential, commercial, rural property services. They've got the

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Speaker 2: whole lot cabin. They're probably one hundred percent Kere we owned,

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Speaker 2: which we loved and locally operated national network of more

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01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 2: than two thousand and real estate professionals in one hundred

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01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 2: branches nationwide, so they're everywhere. They got boots on the

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Speaker 2: ground across the country. They've made it their business to

1746
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 2: add value to yours with integrity a depth of knowledge

1747
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,839
Speaker 2: no matter where in the country you are. And Baileys

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01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 2: have been a leader in real estate renover innovation since

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three. They've been focusing on people centric solutions

1750
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Speaker 2: while providing unmatch expertise and relentless professionalism and wrap around

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Speaker 2: support the nets optimal results time after time. That, my friends,

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Speaker 2: is the Bailey's difference all together better for all of

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. With no plans to stop. Why would they?

1754
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: When you're on a roll? Why stop? Babies? Dot co

1755
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 2: dot in Z is where you go Bailey's dot co

1756
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 2: dot NZ to learn more licensed of course under the

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01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 2: REA Act two thousand and eight. Asking but what strength

1758
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 2: was the quake? I think it was four point eight?

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01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 2: I thought I saw four point eight or thereabouts. Mike,

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01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 2: I know people taking part in the UK riots. Of

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01:25:52,320 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 2: course you do everyday rewards WW is that Walworth? BP?

1762
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 2: Is that BP? It goes the rewards game. You've got

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01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 2: to spend two grand to get a fifteen dollar? About you?

1764
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 2: Do you research?

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01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 17: So I'm like, well when I say we but dare you?

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01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 17: Listener's done the math?

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01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 2: Here we go where we got?

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01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 17: So thirty seven hundred, thirty.

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01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 2: Seven hundred and the pump yep thirty seven hundred dollars.

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01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 17: But that's going to be quite a flex though, isn't it?

1771
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 17: Like next time you go to your next potluck and

1772
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 17: you just bring everything in your four containers and then

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01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 17: you just say, oh yeah, I've got the pump out

1774
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 17: of the the rules.

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01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 2: Around what is the rule around the potluck? Do you

1776
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 2: because I've never been to.

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Speaker 17: A potluck, do you take indeed to anything.

1778
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 2: No, to any dinner at anyone person's house? Do you

1779
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 2: take the things home on the night?

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01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 17: It's it depends how you know the people, whether you're

1781
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 17: likely to see them again soon?

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01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 2: Right because you know you won't you bowl back? Do

1783
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 2: you say, would you mind giving that a quick wash

1784
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 2: for me? I'm about to go yep, right.

1785
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 17: See and the reason and see right there you find

1786
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 17: that funny and that's why you've need to been invited.

1787
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 2: We don't have time for trending.

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01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: Trending now with chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy all.

1789
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 2: Year round because we short of time. Just let me play.

1790
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 2: This is a nut job, and this is why it

1791
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 2: is going on.

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01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 7: When you start late term aboarding children or boarding them

1793
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 7: after they've been born, that's nuts.

1794
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 6: Aborting them after they've been born. Yes, do you think

1795
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:39,919
Speaker 6: that's happening? Does I don't think that's happening? Well, aboarding

1796
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 6: children after they're born wouldn't be called abortion though, right, well,

1797
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 6: they still call it abortion. What would they that would

1798
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 6: be called murder?

1799
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 7: Not according to the left, I don't.

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Speaker 6: Think that abortions are happening after babies are born.

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01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 7: Why don't you look into it? That's the whole thing.

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01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 7: You have to study out the issues and see what's

1803
01:27:58,520 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 7: really happening.

1804
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 6: Ask where you ready, We'll.

1805
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 7: See a lot of propaganda, and it's getting harder and

1806
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,879
Speaker 7: harder with AI for you to be able to determine what's.

1807
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 2: True and what he's run with them.

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01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 7: I agree, and it's going to get a lot harder.

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01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 6: But do you think that what you read could have

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01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 6: been propaganda?

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01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 7: Not if you study the facts out.

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Speaker 2: He was at a Trump rally in Atlanta. Back tomorrow,

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01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 2: Happy Days.

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