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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine

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Speaker 1: from newstalk zed B.

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Speaker 2: Was a milestone match yesterday for one of our best

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Speaker 2: loved rugby commentators.

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Speaker 3: Right at center fields, Keller Randall Poza, here we go.

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Speaker 3: Can you make it?

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Speaker 1: You tech? Your fiction turns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the unmistakable voice of Grant nisbet as the All

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Speaker 2: Blacks beat Ireland in Dublin yesterday morning. Grantsbert was behind

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Speaker 2: the mic for his three hundred and fiftieth Test match.

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Speaker 2: When you consider yesterday was the six hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: ninth All Blacks Test all up, and he's called three

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty of them, so well over half the

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Speaker 2: feat is even more remarkable. Grant Newsbert is with us

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Speaker 2: now on Weekend Sport. Congratulations on number three fifteen is bo.

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Speaker 2: Can you remember much about Test number one?

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Speaker 3: Good a Jason look, not a lot. It's very hazy.

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Speaker 3: Funnily enough, I probably remember Tests two, three and four

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Speaker 3: with greater clarity because that was a trip to Australia.

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Speaker 3: The first Test was in cross To. It's against France.

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Speaker 3: Other than the score, I can't remember anything else, but

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Speaker 3: I do remember going on the tour to Australia. It

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Speaker 3: was Australia under Alan Jones for the first time, and

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Speaker 3: we actually lost the series, so it was it wasn't

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Speaker 3: one of the great starts for my career.

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Speaker 2: An auspicious start. Do you remember feeling nervous in your

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Speaker 2: early days as a commentator.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I think I probably was because I'd been

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Speaker 3: in radio up to that point for you know, around

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Speaker 3: about thirteen or fourteen years, and so the transition to television,

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Speaker 3: as you know is, you know, it's considerable. I think

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Speaker 3: it's more about what you don't say as opposed to

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Speaker 3: what you do say. And so I'm sort of thinking

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Speaker 3: back and i'd imagine and I would have been quite

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Speaker 3: nervous about it.

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Speaker 2: Was there anybody early on in your television career who

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Speaker 2: was particularly helpful to you and making the transition and

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Speaker 2: developing your craft as a television commentator.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, undoubtedly Keith Quinn, because I sort of took

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Speaker 3: over from him. He was pushed into administration in a

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Speaker 3: way rather reluctantly, I might say, and so that's why

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Speaker 3: I actually started at TV and Z. But he was

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Speaker 3: always helpful and always has been to this very day,

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Speaker 3: to be perfectly honest, because he was one of the

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Speaker 3: and he was outstanding really and helped me along the

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Speaker 2: So here we are now, three hundred and fifty test matches.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think you've had such incredible longevity?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Look, I don't know. To be honest, I don't

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Speaker 3: seem to attract a lot of criticism Jason Night. I

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Speaker 3: know people have got opinions on comments, people and all

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Speaker 3: the rest of it. But somehow I've managed, somehow to

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Speaker 3: fly under the radar with it. I don't know, And

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Speaker 3: I guess it's a bit of a triumph for longevity,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. Really. If you stick around long enough and

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Speaker 3: people like you enough, then I guess these milestones are

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Speaker 3: just going to turn up along the way. And you know,

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Speaker 3: having been doing the job now for forty years, that

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Speaker 3: sounds even silly to say forty years. You know these

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Speaker 3: milestones arrive at some point.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess so.

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 2: So you're probably downplaying it just to touch. But has

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Speaker 2: the way that you prepare for test matches changed much.

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Speaker 3: Over the years, No, not really, No, I still over prepare.

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Speaker 3: I have far too much stuff with me, and when

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Speaker 3: I look back at it, I think I never used that.

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Speaker 3: I never used that. I never used that. But there

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Speaker 3: are some important things that, you know, little milestones that

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Speaker 3: they get to use them. I write down every name

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Speaker 3: of the player, and I'm sure you do this with

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Speaker 3: your football commentary, write down all the names and little

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Speaker 3: notes against each player, and much of which you never used.

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Speaker 3: I once had a chat with a great Bill McLaren

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Speaker 3: which was a real pleasure, and asked him about preparation actually,

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Speaker 3: If I used five or maybe ten percent of what

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Speaker 3: it's just it's just kind of an insurance policy. It's

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Speaker 3: I do I do as I say, I'd probably over prepare.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fairly common among other commentators I've

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, there's been a few. Initially, one that really

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Speaker 3: there was quite a backstory to that. Of course, the

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Speaker 3: then some of them went on a Cavaliers tour and

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Speaker 3: when the French team came here, the Baby Blacks they

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Speaker 3: and they had this triumphavor France in christ Church. A

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Speaker 3: couple of others that sprang to mind the seventy six

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Speaker 3: Tour of South Africa, sorry, the ninety six Tour of

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Speaker 3: South Africa, when the All Blacks had an opportunity to

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Speaker 3: win the series for the first time ever. They'd been

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Speaker 3: but it came in ninety six and happened in Pretoria.

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Speaker 3: That was a memorable game for many many reasons. Two

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Speaker 3: of course the World Cups hard to Deny those two

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Speaker 3: eleven here in Auckland and two fifteen Twickenham in London,

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Speaker 3: which I think is probably the best game I've seen

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Speaker 3: because of the implications world Cup final and also an

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Speaker 3: They quite boring at times, and that particular one in

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Speaker 2: You've had the chance to travel around the world to

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Speaker 2: watch the All Blacks play and other teams as well.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any favorite test venues.

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Speaker 3: Overseas? Yeah, Look, I think the one I most enjoy

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Speaker 3: going to is the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, which of

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Speaker 3: think ninety one. Prior to that, it was the Cardiff

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Speaker 3: Arms Park, marvelous old ground right in the middle of

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Speaker 3: as well. It's a hard place to take a loss

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Speaker 3: but nevertheless it remains a great ground and funnily enough,

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Speaker 3: and this sort appealed to you, Jason, I'm sure San

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Speaker 3: Sero and Milan is unbelievable. The All Blacks played there,

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Speaker 3: oh boy, oh boy, you've never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing stuff. You've always said. I've heard you say

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Speaker 2: this often that Christian Cullen is your favorite All Black.

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Speaker 2: Does that still stand?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look it does, it does, and probably always well.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, I know that I've been around when

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Speaker 3: there's been some absolute legends of the game, and you

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Speaker 3: Christian Callen had it all. He just hand that ability

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Speaker 3: He was almost unstoppable. A link player, didn't have to sidestep.

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Speaker 3: He somehow glided round people. And he was also a

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Speaker 3: you when you think of the blokes who he was

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Speaker 2: Indeed, are you used to be able to watch a

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Speaker 3: Yes? I think, Yes, I am. I'm a bit of

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Speaker 3: I'll certainly tune in and have a look at that

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Speaker 3: what must have been a hell of a game at

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Speaker 3: twicken Them overnight between Australia and England. You know, I

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Speaker 3: I'll have a look. So yes, I mean, some games

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Speaker 2: Indeed, And do you believe you can you can still

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Speaker 2: be an All Blacks fan while working in the rugby

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a hell of a good question. I am

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Speaker 3: an a Black fan, there's no doubt about it. But

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Speaker 3: that it's a good broadcast. That's my major concern. People

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Speaker 3: I don't sound like a fanboy, but I generally sit

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Speaker 3: like hell they win. But if they don't win, then

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Speaker 3: I kind of have to reflect the disappointment as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely right, So what do you reckon? The final number

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Speaker 2: might be three point fifty and counting. What do you

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Speaker 2: reckon the final number is going to be Oh.

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Speaker 3: My goodness, I don't know, I don't know. Put it

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Speaker 3: this way, I've I've got a contract through to the

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Speaker 3: end of next year, so that well, presumably I'll add

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Speaker 3: a few and then we'll take stock. We've got an

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Speaker 3: age factor here, Jason, I'm not as young as I

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Speaker 2: Well, you'd never tell you, you'd never tell from listening

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Speaker 2: to this though. Look, I just want to say you've

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Speaker 2: always been extremely supportive of others in the industry as well,

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Speaker 2: So from a personal point of view, I want to

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Speaker 2: thank you for that and congratulate you on magnificent milestone

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Speaker 2: in a career which isn't done yet. Well done on

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Speaker 2: the three fifty. May there be manymore.

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Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Jason. And it's been a pleasure to

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Speaker 3: do it. And that's the thing that you've got to remembers.

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Speaker 3: It's a real honor to be able to talk about

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Speaker 3: do it. It's just fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's certainly the best job in the world. Well,

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Speaker 2: I haven't found anything better, and I know you haven't either.

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Speaker 2: There's both good on you, mate, thanks. Indeed, Grantner's but

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Speaker 2: There has been. In fact, I know that there isn't.

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Speaker 2: Grantners but and Keith Quinn to your list of Kiwi

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Speaker 2: those two to the list. Hugh says pinning his bows

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Speaker 2: but it's like the safety blanket. And plus it helps

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Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty for Grantners, but a magnificent achievement.

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