1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: Devin Gray's our UK correspondent, Gavin. 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, that good evening. 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Good evening. Now, Liberation Day is fast approaching. This is 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: the US side of it. But the terrorists that could 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: have ventuate as a result would be really devastating for 6 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: the UK. But there's a potential deal here and actually 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: the soundings coming from both your side and the Washington 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: actually sounding relatively positive. How has it engaged? 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think that's about right. 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 3: So there was a call last night at our time, 11 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 3: less than twelve hours ago between our Prime Minister Sekirir 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 3: Starmer and Donald Trump, the US President. The difference I 13 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 3: think that the UK is arguing over many other nations, 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 3: particularly the EU block as a whole, is that the 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 3: UK has a relatively equal trading relationship with the US 16 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: compared to its other partners. In other words, we import 17 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 3: as much from the UI export in a rough way. 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: We're also very fearful, of course, as men are, about 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: what it'll do to our economy if they do tariffs 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 3: and we five back with tariffs. 21 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: The governments that have official. 22 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: Watchdog on these things, the Office for Budget Responsibility, says 23 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: that a reciprocal trade war could wipe billions from the 24 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: economy with the GDP next year at point six percent 25 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: lower than forecast and one percent lower than next year. 26 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: So this is big, big deals to be done, and 27 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: apparently the phone call went well, but of course it 28 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: is a bit of a race against time as these 29 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: taxes are you in shortly. But the government here as 30 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 3: well making it clear that actually they are willing and 31 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: ready to reciprocate with trade taxes if necessary, but that 32 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: is something that I think they're desperate to avoid because 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 3: of course, if there is less growth in this economy, 34 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 3: it'll mean that the current forecasting for how the economy 35 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: is going to go will be way off, and that 36 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: means that it's going to wipe out that headroom for 37 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: the finance minister when it came to her plans for 38 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: taxing the economy and spending and saving money. 39 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: The Marine pin right right wing candidate in France, she's 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: going to have a bit of a moment shortly before 41 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: the courts. 42 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is really crucially important for her future as 43 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: a politician, but also I think for the politics of France. 44 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 3: So she is due in court in just a couple 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: of hours time now for a verdict on a trial 46 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 3: targeting her National Rally party and also targeting her Now 47 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 3: she stands accused of using European Union parliamentary money in 48 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: order to pay party salaries Ryan and of course that 49 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 3: is not allowed. Those are the accusations which she denies. 50 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: Now the prosecutors are suggesting not just a fine, fairly 51 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: hefty more than half a million New Zealand dollars, but 52 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 3: also a prison term and get this and an ineligibility 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: from running for public office for five years. In other words, 54 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: she would have to go and be dropped from the 55 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven presidential race. Now currently she is sitting 56 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: very very firmly at the top of the opinion polls 57 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: in some of these things, certainly first or second place. 58 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: And so consequently, if she is banned from basically standing 59 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 3: for public office for five years, that would completely scupper that. 60 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 3: And indeed there are senior figures also within her party 61 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 3: also on trial at this affair, so that would really 62 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: leave her a thorough handicap to trying to run in 63 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 3: twenty seven, and something that would be difficult to overturn 64 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 3: in time for her fourth presidential race and the one 65 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: offering the greatest chance of victory for. 66 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: Her yeah, interesting stuff now not as interesting as this. 67 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: This Polish election story. The president's elections story quite a 68 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: good one. What's happened? 69 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: So yeah, the Polish presidential election now in a couple 70 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: of months. One of the main candidates at the moment. 71 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: The second set of favorite is a guy called Carol Narorik, 72 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: and he has been widely ridiculed after its emerged that 73 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: he went on television disguised to praise a book. What 74 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: we didn't know at the time was the book he 75 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 3: was praising was one he had written. He wrote this 76 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: book that is about basically mafia and gangland related crime. 77 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: Its fiction. 78 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: Obviously that he had gone on wearing dark glasses and 79 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 3: a big coat and seemed to be slightly out of focus, 80 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: creating a pseudonym for himself and saying what a great 81 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: book this was, how it really inspired this historian that 82 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: he claimed to be, and also a social media post 83 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: saying that he had met the author, saying how good 84 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: it was to meet him, and that the author thanked 85 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: him for this interesting book. 86 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: All very very bizarre. 87 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 3: It has created a storm of mockery on Polish social media, 88 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: although it has to be said that Carol Naraki himself 89 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: is not that. 90 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: Bothered about it. 91 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: He said, literary pseudonyms are nothing new in Polish academia, 92 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: and then praised himself again. There was only one historian 93 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: in Poland who had the courage to study organized crime, 94 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: and I was that historian. 95 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 2: He says, So he's kind of doubling down on this. 96 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, plenty of Polish people finding this very amusing 97 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: and wondering if he's going to stand this his real 98 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 3: self or as his disguise self. 99 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: Bobby each way to go with both, I'd say, Gavin, 100 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: thank you for that. 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