1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: After turning the overseas education industry on its head, Jamie 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Beaton is setting a sites on a new venture. He's 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: created a spin off of Crimson Education that will focus 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: on getting key we startups access to the US market. 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: It's called Concord Visa. It will guide users through the 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: confusing US immigration process and help them secure special visas. 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: So heay, let's have a chat to Jamie. Jamie, Hello, 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: how are you doing very well? Have we found you 9 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: yet again at an airport? 10 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: Yes, we have, but I've just walked outside of the door, 11 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: so it should be quiet. Now. 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: I feel like every time I talk to you, Jamie, 13 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: you're at an airport. Do you just live in airports 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: at the minute? 15 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: It does feel that way. Yes, well that's. 16 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: What happens when you're a hot shot. Hey, now tell 17 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: me how this venture works. Is this just aimed at 18 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: startups or is it also students? Is it for everybody? 19 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: So for the last twelve years, we've been helping so 20 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 2: many ambitious kiwis getting into these amazing universities and they 21 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: get these F one visas to stay in the country. 22 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: And when I finished my own program, I need to 23 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: find a way to keep building Crimson in the States, 24 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: and so I found this obscure visa category called the 25 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: one visa, which helped me to actually begin being able 26 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: to work in the US. And so the first folks 27 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: we helped were students, ambitious kids that wanted to actually 28 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: take advantage of these degrees and keep going. And then 29 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: we realized actually there were all these high growth companies 30 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: like Tracks in New Zealand that were trying to expand 31 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: in the US market, and we could actually not just 32 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: help individuals, but help whole teams, whole companies with this 33 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: rapid expansion. So we've expanded from just students to companies 34 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: and other organizations. 35 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: Are these people who want to go over to the 36 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: US temporarily or set up shop there permanently. 37 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: So take a company like Zero or you know, for 38 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,279 Speaker 2: example Holt or Rocket Labs. They initially start in New Zealand, 39 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: but they want to have this massive ability to tap 40 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: into the US market, which now has become, for example, 41 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: Crimsons biggest market. So often they want to send staff 42 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: from the New Zealand team to America to crack the 43 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: market higher local teams and then often bring those kiwis 44 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: back or to a new market and so often it's 45 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: sort of the shop troops, those sales and marketers as 46 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: revenue leaders, maybe the founders who want to go over 47 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: there and get the business going, and it so often 48 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: it's a it's about global expansion for QV companies. 49 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: How do you think this business that's going on in 50 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: the UK and the US, sorry at the moment, with 51 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: people ending up in ice detention centers, including a Kiwi 52 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: at the minute, is that going to put people off? 53 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: No? So, you know, I've been on the ground in 54 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: New York for the last four years and there's definitely 55 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 2: a lot of media hysteria around some of these ice attentions. 56 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: But for a Keiw or you know, someone who's building 57 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: a company in the States, it's really two different realities. 58 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: You know, It's kind of unfortunate, but I think that, 59 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: you know, it's really really different. Kettle of fish. So 60 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: a lot of our folks are looking to move to 61 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: places like New York or California, these amazing hubs of 62 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: economic activity, business opportunity, growth opportunity, and naturally where our 63 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: students and our companies are working with the focused. 64 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: On Jamie, how much are you loving the fact that 65 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: NCEA has been put on the bin. 66 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: I'm glad it's in the trash, and you know it's 67 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: it really honestly has been haunting students for a while 68 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: now because you know, I've seen twelve years of Kiwis 69 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: doing nca Cambridge and IV and you know, the reality 70 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: is NCAA has these internals that are really low integrity. 71 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: A lot of students now use GPT. It isn't world class. 72 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: It's super confusing. It's like hieroglyphics, and so getting rid 73 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: of that and having a truly world class stands it 74 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: actually means dark Kiwis can compete on the world's biggest stages. 75 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: People talk about equity education, but actually the way to 76 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: start equity is really to have people taking a curriculum, 77 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: a public school curriculum that actually can take you anywhere. 78 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: And so I'm pumped about this and honestly it's very inspiring. 79 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: Do you think they've made the right call here though, 80 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: in setting up yet another New Zealand that bespoke certificate 81 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: or should we actually have gone with ib or Cambridge? 82 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: So, I mean Singapore took the A levels from the 83 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: UK and they tuned them up, made them even more rigorous, 84 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: incorporated some local history, and that's been wildly effective there. 85 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: I think as long as the curriculum that is being 86 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: developed has you know, research around international math and English 87 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: standards and it's really exam based, there aren't these kind 88 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: of ways to get around those exams with internals that 89 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: aren't you know, that aren't great properly, I think that 90 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: could be a really good outcome, you know, from a 91 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: cost efficiency standpoint. Taking an international curriculum is also very exciting, 92 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: but I think the approach is going to look great 93 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: and honestly it's a massive step forward. And also, you know, 94 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: there are many folks and for example, the Ministry of 95 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: Education that are quite vested in the national curriculum and 96 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: so you know, I mean this also helps to get 97 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: their buy in as well. 98 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jamie, Hey, thanks very much. Enjoy your flight. That's 99 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: Jamie Beaton, Crimson Education Founder. For more from Hither Duplessy 100 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: Alan Drive, listen live to news talks. 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