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Speaker 2: Ed B.

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Speaker 3: Telder. Good afternoon, Welcome into Weekend Sport on News Talks HEB.

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Speaker 3: The Saturday edition for September fourteen. Good birth date for cricketers.

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday Jeff Crow, Happy birthday Brendan Bracewell, Happy birthday

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Speaker 3: South African and Australian cricketer. Couple of vessels. A very

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Speaker 3: special hour coming between one and two this afternoon. I'm

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Speaker 3: joined in studio by rugby league legend and kiwi's coach

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Speaker 3: Stacy Jones. I've got a bunch of questions here for him.

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Speaker 3: You'll have some too, I'm sure Stacey Jones after one

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Speaker 3: live here in the News Talks ed studio and he'll

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Speaker 3: take your calls while he is here. First up today,

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Speaker 3: though change is coming to Super Rugby Pacific. The competition

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Speaker 3: format for twenty twenty five was released yesterday. The draw

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Speaker 3: up is due out in a couple of days just

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Speaker 3: the eleven teams. Next year, of course, there'll be a

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Speaker 3: six team playoff format, more afternoon games, an additional round

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Speaker 3: and an earlier start. February fourteen is when the season

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Speaker 3: will get underweight. Super Rugby Pacific CEO Jack Mesley is

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Speaker 3: along shortly to talk it over with us. I'd love

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Speaker 3: to get your thoughts as well on this new format,

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Speaker 3: particularly the finals series other matters around today. Football Ferns

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Speaker 3: coach Yetka Klimkov has stood down permanently from her role.

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Speaker 3: This has been an ongoing and drawn out saga over

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Speaker 3: bottom of it, a very mysterious chapter. New Zealand Football

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Speaker 3: CEO Andrew Pragnell will join us after two o'clock and

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Speaker 3: Week one of the NRL Finals underway. A first half

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Speaker 3: blitz helping the Panthers to were thirty points to ten

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Speaker 3: The Roosters now will await the winner of the Bulldog

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Speaker 3: Sea Eagles game tomorrow. Two games tonight, Storm Sharks and

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Speaker 3: Cowboys Knights will unpack Week one of the playoffs with

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Speaker 3: Brad Walter Live Sport this afternoon. Davis Cup Tennis New

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Speaker 3: Zealand against Luxembourg in Palmerston North. Singles today KP Parner

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Speaker 3: Win RJ Rye on doubles tomorrow Bunnings NPC Round six

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Speaker 3: action Bay of Plenty against Tartanaki and Todong are four

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Speaker 3: past two Fara palmer Cup. Also round six halftime between

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Speaker 3: So changes coming to Super Rugby Pacific in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: The competition will have eleven teams. Next year that following

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Speaker 3: and the competition will start earlier one week earlier in fact,

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Speaker 3: on the fourteenth of February. Every side will play fourteen games,

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Speaker 3: It'll be one v six, two v five and three

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Speaker 3: Jack Mesley, Jack, Thanks for your toime. How did you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, thank you very much for having me. I'm

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Speaker 4: Those matchups, and we want to give it to the fans,

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Speaker 5: Be the best way to go.

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Speaker 4: So we did quite a lot of work looking at

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Speaker 3: All right, let's talk through the final series.

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Speaker 3: Once you landed on six teams, did you consider a

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Speaker 4: We did, absolutely. We looked at that model along with others.

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Speaker 4: You know, what we hear from fans is that our

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Speaker 4: So what we've come up with we think delivers three

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Speaker 3: So the lucky loser scenario, Jack, just give us the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So our thought process there and was to firstly

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Speaker 4: And so in going to our first week of one

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Speaker 3: You'll need to be careful with your structure, won't you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think that provides for some really interesting

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Speaker 3: For sure, just before we move on from the finals, Jeck,

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Speaker 3: did you consider a top four just the top four?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we did, But again, in our season is so

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Speaker 3: Three Sunday afternoon fixtures. I see fans do like afternoon forty.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you've picked up on that. Will there be

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Speaker 4: There will be, yeah, and there's some really exciting matches

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Speaker 4: throughout Saturday. Are those and those Sundays. I'm a big

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Speaker 3: Every professional sport has to deal with the balance strike

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Speaker 4: No, not not really. You know, our great partners are

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Speaker 4: so you know that balance has been relatively easy to strike.

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Speaker 4: You know, will continue to monitor and you know we're

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Speaker 3: How much consultation did you have with the clubs individually

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it's the same in Australia. Those derby matches

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Speaker 4: I think I think most of them are extremely competitive

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Speaker 4: I think you're right in terms.

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Speaker 3: Look forward to seeing the draw coming out the next

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Speaker 3: couple of days, Jack, It's it's a format that I

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Speaker 3: Twelve twenty nine On News TALKSB. Have your thoughts on

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Speaker 3: the Super Rugby format. I eight hundred and eighty ten eight.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to. There was a lot of talk

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Speaker 3: You can't just have two semis in a final. If

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Speaker 3: You know, if it was just straight semi fives in

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Speaker 3: Finn What do you make of it?

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Speaker 3: So that's easier than over here where you can see

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Speaker 5: Drop it.

434
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Speaker 9: Let's get the heart and soul back into provincial rugby.

435
00:23:47,627 --> 00:23:50,187
Speaker 9: That rivalry you just can't beat.

436
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Speaker 5: It.

437
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Speaker 9: Would have a fantastic provincial competition again, which will which

438
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Speaker 9: will feed and drive in His Zealand rugby. You have

439
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Speaker 9: a yeah and do something, you know with Austraila and

440
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Speaker 9: and sam Are and Fiji and that. But let's let's

441
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Speaker 9: really put it back into a PC because that's what

442
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Speaker 9: I grew up with and that's where the crowds were.

443
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Speaker 3: I wish you were right, finn. I too would love

444
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Speaker 3: it if it was like that, if we basically looked

445
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Speaker 3: after ourselves and had a high quality rugby competition featuring

446
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Speaker 3: our fourteen best provincial sides, and I think you'd get

447
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Speaker 3: a lot of fans of it too. It just feels

448
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Speaker 3: highly unlikely in the modern environment that that it'll ever happen.

449
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Speaker 3: In terms of the cost base of running fourteen teams,

450
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Speaker 3: I know you'd take out the Super rugby cost and

451
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Speaker 3: put it into provincial rugby. Yeah, it just seems like

452
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Speaker 3: we're too far down the track, but it doesn't stop

453
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Speaker 3: us from chatting about it. Thin. You're right, we are,

454
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Speaker 3: I think, by the sounds of it, of similar vintage

455
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Speaker 3: and probably similar thought patterns on a bunch of stuff too.

456
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Speaker 3: Thanks for calling mate. Good to chat to you, George.

457
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Speaker 3: You're a fan of the new format.

458
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Speaker 10: You got to hate being the Highlanders, don't You're piney?

459
00:24:56,507 --> 00:24:59,587
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. They hate a Derby, don't they.

460
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Speaker 10: So I'll tell you what it feels a bit like

461
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Speaker 10: to me, pinted every juncture over the last years, the

462
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Speaker 10: competition and indeed the unions and comes behind it have

463
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Speaker 10: valued volume of games versus quality of game, and I think.

464
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Speaker 11: I know why.

465
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Speaker 10: It's because the gates and the revenue from the match

466
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Speaker 10: day is generated and retained by the club itself, and

467
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Speaker 10: so of course they're going to want to have volume

468
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Speaker 10: of games to have more chances for hosting one. I'd

469
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Speaker 10: love to see a well where any revenue that the

470
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Speaker 10: finals matches generates are shared and pulled amongst the clubs,

471
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Speaker 10: and that might just be in New Zealand thing that whatever,

472
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Speaker 10: any New Zealand game that's hosted, the revenues are pulled

473
00:25:44,827 --> 00:25:48,587
Speaker 10: because the Blues last year effectively made I don't know,

474
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Speaker 10: up with a couple of million dollars by hosting games

475
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Speaker 10: and the nasty it makes life so hard for the

476
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Speaker 10: Highlanders to try and get off the bottom of the

477
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Speaker 10: run in New Zealand and then to add the injury,

478
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Speaker 10: they've got to go and play the New Zealand teams twice. Well,

479
00:26:02,707 --> 00:26:05,787
Speaker 10: the Bumbies don't have to do something like that, So

480
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Speaker 10: I think it's flawed in a lot of ways. What

481
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Speaker 10: do you think about that?

482
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the Crusaders have clearly profited from that.

483
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Speaker 3: I mean, take last year out of the equation, George.

484
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Speaker 3: But what they've won the last seven, haven't they? And

485
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Speaker 3: I think they've had quarters, Semisen finals and pretty much

486
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Speaker 3: all of them with the odd exception here and there.

487
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Speaker 3: So their coffers have been boosted, you know, significantly by

488
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Speaker 3: their excellent onfield performance and the fact that they host

489
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Speaker 3: a heck of a lot more finals games than the rest.

490
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Speaker 3: And you're right about the Highlanders, you know, they might

491
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Speaker 3: host a quarter. When was the last time the Highlanders

492
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Speaker 3: hosted a Super Rugby semi final? You know, I don't

493
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Speaker 3: think they've ever had a final under the roof, have they?

494
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Speaker 10: No, we want to see a world where what makes

495
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Speaker 10: the NRL sighting and the English Premier League and every

496
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Speaker 10: other thing is that the teams that there's no dynasties

497
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Speaker 10: so to speak, in terms of every year that a

498
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Speaker 10: team can rise from the ashes and win. And it's

499
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Speaker 10: becoming really hard for the Highlanders and that to get off.

500
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Speaker 10: And even the Hurricanes this year fair they actually hosted

501
00:27:04,027 --> 00:27:07,467
Speaker 10: that final. They and they they get action million dollars.

502
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Speaker 10: They can put that back into their channels and it

503
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Speaker 10: creates quite inequity within the competition, you know, And I

504
00:27:16,387 --> 00:27:19,227
Speaker 10: just agree with you. Just you know, top six, first

505
00:27:19,227 --> 00:27:22,947
Speaker 10: two get the week off, you know, quality semi finals

506
00:27:22,987 --> 00:27:25,147
Speaker 10: and goes in and don't have to worry about a

507
00:27:25,227 --> 00:27:28,667
Speaker 10: lucky loser that moves down a ranking. And again it

508
00:27:28,787 --> 00:27:31,667
Speaker 10: just feels like they failed to really grasp the concept.

509
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Speaker 3: Good points well mate, as always, George, good to chat

510
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Speaker 3: to you mate. Thanks. Indeed, the other suggestion I heard

511
00:27:37,587 --> 00:27:41,947
Speaker 3: was that there's a top seven and just the first team,

512
00:27:42,107 --> 00:27:45,147
Speaker 3: just the top team gets a bye, and then it's

513
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Speaker 3: two v seven, three v six and four v five.

514
00:27:48,707 --> 00:27:53,147
Speaker 3: So those are your three first weekend matches. Then you

515
00:27:53,187 --> 00:27:55,947
Speaker 3: go into the semis and then a final. You still

516
00:27:55,987 --> 00:27:58,747
Speaker 3: get your six games three in the first week two semis.

517
00:27:58,747 --> 00:28:01,867
Speaker 3: In a final you are bringing another team in, so

518
00:28:02,027 --> 00:28:07,187
Speaker 3: seven out of your eleven make it. That's another suggestion.

519
00:28:07,307 --> 00:28:10,947
Speaker 3: I heard it again, the lucky loser thing. I think

520
00:28:10,947 --> 00:28:13,747
Speaker 3: it's a first, isn't it. Have we ever had a

521
00:28:13,747 --> 00:28:16,227
Speaker 3: format here in New Zealand which has a lucky loser?

522
00:28:16,267 --> 00:28:19,067
Speaker 3: I mean we count the NRL obviously, we know it's

523
00:28:19,107 --> 00:28:21,827
Speaker 3: not called a lucky loser. They have their elimination finals

524
00:28:21,867 --> 00:28:25,107
Speaker 3: and their qualifying finals. You're awarded for finishing in the

525
00:28:25,147 --> 00:28:27,147
Speaker 3: top four. And I use the example of the Roosters

526
00:28:27,227 --> 00:28:29,547
Speaker 3: last night. They lost to Penrith, but they're still alive,

527
00:28:29,587 --> 00:28:32,907
Speaker 3: could go on and win the whole thing. Their reward

528
00:28:32,907 --> 00:28:35,707
Speaker 3: for finishing in the top four is effectively two lives

529
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Speaker 3: in the finals. So what you're getting here, if you

530
00:28:38,907 --> 00:28:42,667
Speaker 3: finish top you are effectively getting two lives, aren't you?

531
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Speaker 3: Even if you lose the first game against the sixth

532
00:28:45,227 --> 00:28:48,987
Speaker 3: place finisher, you will buy virtue of finishing top B

533
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Speaker 3: the highest ranked loser, and therefore you will play in

534
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Speaker 3: the semi finals the following week. What do you make

535
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Speaker 3: of it, Chris?

536
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Look, Jason, I think that a lot of people

537
00:29:01,467 --> 00:29:09,267
Speaker 12: feel the same. Without without the teams, it's lost. But

538
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Speaker 12: now I know they didn't win that many at times,

539
00:29:11,787 --> 00:29:15,227
Speaker 12: but they did. But but it's way heavily on us

540
00:29:15,227 --> 00:29:17,227
Speaker 12: when we went to play them at the at the

541
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Speaker 12: World Cup. And this year we're still working out how

542
00:29:19,627 --> 00:29:21,787
Speaker 12: to how to play the spring boxes. We haven't played

543
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Speaker 12: any super teams for two years.

544
00:29:23,827 --> 00:29:27,027
Speaker 3: Yeah. And again it's an interesting argument, Chris, is is

545
00:29:27,027 --> 00:29:30,307
Speaker 3: it super rugby? Is it Super Rugby's job to prepare

546
00:29:30,347 --> 00:29:31,787
Speaker 3: the All blacks to win test matches?

547
00:29:33,027 --> 00:29:39,027
Speaker 12: No? No, no, no it's not. But but yeah, I

548
00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:40,787
Speaker 12: guess you could say that heine Can Cup in England,

549
00:29:41,107 --> 00:29:43,387
Speaker 12: it's so mixed up it doesn't sort of advantage any

550
00:29:43,547 --> 00:29:48,507
Speaker 12: team even so, it's taken the gloss off of the competition.

551
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Speaker 12: And the other thing is four teams just just two

552
00:29:51,787 --> 00:29:54,187
Speaker 12: semis and two finals. Look, those quarter finals have been

553
00:29:54,187 --> 00:29:56,547
Speaker 12: nothing but a fast they're so one sided.

554
00:29:56,867 --> 00:29:59,587
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they were were the top eight they were, Chris,

555
00:29:59,627 --> 00:30:03,187
Speaker 3: I totally agree, and they've they've moved, you know, to

556
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Speaker 3: to address that with the top six. Well, I guess

557
00:30:06,867 --> 00:30:09,347
Speaker 3: what you'd hope is that is that one v six

558
00:30:09,387 --> 00:30:12,707
Speaker 3: and two v five would be a lot more competitive

559
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Speaker 3: than one v eight and two v seven, because they

560
00:30:15,707 --> 00:30:18,027
Speaker 3: always just seem like foregone conclusions, didn't they.

561
00:30:19,227 --> 00:30:20,987
Speaker 12: Yeah, sure that could there there there could be closed

562
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Speaker 12: And look, look I haven't got an answer to what

563
00:30:22,867 --> 00:30:24,987
Speaker 12: they will turnatives, but I honestly think super Rugby has

564
00:30:24,987 --> 00:30:26,907
Speaker 12: done this day. I didn't go to a game this year,

565
00:30:26,907 --> 00:30:29,027
Speaker 12: and it wasn't because the Crusaders weren't playing that well either.

566
00:30:30,227 --> 00:30:32,587
Speaker 3: Yess it was, Chris.

567
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Speaker 12: No, I live, I live, but I still still I still,

568
00:30:37,587 --> 00:30:40,947
Speaker 12: but yeah, we were we're away a bit two but

569
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Speaker 12: I you know, I used to I used to enjoy

570
00:30:44,387 --> 00:30:47,107
Speaker 12: ducking down a well, even on the train. But I

571
00:30:47,147 --> 00:30:49,427
Speaker 12: don't know. Maybe next year I'll get.

572
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Speaker 3: Back, all right, Chris, Well, I would like you too.

573
00:30:51,947 --> 00:30:53,627
Speaker 3: I would like you to come down for a game

574
00:30:53,987 --> 00:30:56,227
Speaker 3: and maybe we can. Maybe we can meet up and

575
00:30:56,267 --> 00:30:59,787
Speaker 3: have a glass of something cold or even warm, and

576
00:31:00,107 --> 00:31:02,867
Speaker 3: we can we can chat about the improvements. I think

577
00:31:02,907 --> 00:31:05,067
Speaker 3: what is happening here at least and good to talk

578
00:31:05,107 --> 00:31:07,387
Speaker 3: to you. As was Chris, is that Jack Mesley has

579
00:31:07,387 --> 00:31:10,107
Speaker 3: come in with a brief to improve Super Rugby. That

580
00:31:10,267 --> 00:31:14,107
Speaker 3: is his brief. Re engage the fans, reinvigorate the competition.

581
00:31:14,507 --> 00:31:16,987
Speaker 3: That is his sole job. That is why they brought

582
00:31:16,987 --> 00:31:20,307
Speaker 3: in the Super Rugby Commission, and the CEO of the

583
00:31:20,347 --> 00:31:22,987
Speaker 3: Super Rugby Commission, Kevin Malloyd, told us that when we

584
00:31:23,067 --> 00:31:25,747
Speaker 3: chatted to him a couple of months ago, that is

585
00:31:25,787 --> 00:31:30,707
Speaker 3: the sole job of Jack Mesley is to initially anyway

586
00:31:31,187 --> 00:31:34,387
Speaker 3: reinvigorate Super Rugby and re engage the fans with it.

587
00:31:34,547 --> 00:31:36,907
Speaker 3: The draw is just one part of it. Things like

588
00:31:37,027 --> 00:31:40,787
Speaker 3: marketing the draw when games are I'm keen to see

589
00:31:40,787 --> 00:31:43,147
Speaker 3: the drawer and how many afternoon games there are, for example,

590
00:31:43,187 --> 00:31:46,347
Speaker 3: to re engage families, you know, but then the marketing

591
00:31:46,387 --> 00:31:50,507
Speaker 3: of the games, engaging with the fans, connection with the players,

592
00:31:50,547 --> 00:31:53,747
Speaker 3: all of that stuff. In the past there hasn't been

593
00:31:53,867 --> 00:31:58,267
Speaker 3: somebody whose job it's been to do that around Super Rugby.

594
00:31:58,427 --> 00:32:01,987
Speaker 3: Now there is the Super Rugby Commission. It's been needed

595
00:32:01,987 --> 00:32:06,867
Speaker 3: for a long time, so that in itself is a

596
00:32:06,867 --> 00:32:10,467
Speaker 3: positive step forward nineteen away from one Mike hold there

597
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Speaker 3: with you after this a spare line if you want

598
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Speaker 3: to jump aboard, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: The big issues on and after fields Call eight hundred

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Speaker 3: Twelve forty five. Just a reminder that Stacy Jones is

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Speaker 3: in studio between one and two a full hour with

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Speaker 3: the goat of New Zealand Rugby League kiwi's coach now

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Speaker 3: ahead of his first assignment in that role, chatting all

607
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Speaker 3: sorts of things and taking your calls as well. If

608
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Speaker 3: you want to ask a question of Stacy Jones, Glenn

609
00:32:43,907 --> 00:32:45,707
Speaker 3: says on TeX's pretty good change is pinty, but please

610
00:32:45,747 --> 00:32:49,907
Speaker 3: call out these administrators who continually call franchises clubs. They

611
00:32:49,947 --> 00:32:52,907
Speaker 3: are not rugby clubs. Yeah, Clint, they obviously do it,

612
00:32:52,907 --> 00:32:56,587
Speaker 3: don't they. It's it's clearly a tactic, a strategy to

613
00:32:56,667 --> 00:32:59,227
Speaker 3: call them clubs so that we feel more of a

614
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Speaker 3: connection to them. I can't even call MPC teams clubs,

615
00:33:02,467 --> 00:33:05,347
Speaker 3: let alone super rugby teams, so I sympathize on that.

616
00:33:05,387 --> 00:33:08,627
Speaker 3: Thanks for holding Mike, Yeah, you're mate.

617
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Speaker 13: Finally, I think the best of all the NBC is

618
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Speaker 13: brutally you know, it's under twenty trees now, which is great.

619
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Speaker 13: It's a great FETA feeder to the Super Suber teams.

620
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Speaker 13: But I think we seriously need the Argentinians back in

621
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Speaker 13: the competition to give it a hard edge upfront and

622
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Speaker 13: for competition for the KIW teams.

623
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I missed them, the haw Hawai's I think

624
00:33:32,467 --> 00:33:37,147
Speaker 3: they they were called. Yeah, certainly without the South African sides, Mike,

625
00:33:37,307 --> 00:33:41,067
Speaker 3: it doesn't have the physicality, does it. It absolutely does not.

626
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Speaker 13: But that's what And just on that kind of aspect,

627
00:33:46,347 --> 00:33:50,467
Speaker 13: I think we could possibly have some exchange without under

628
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Speaker 13: twenty ones and the Serbigans came back and forth to New

629
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Speaker 13: Zealand with some kind of exchange program, especially the forwards,

630
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Speaker 13: kind of harden them up in Sabrica and bring.

631
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Speaker 3: Them back in his zillm be interested. I asked this

632
00:34:01,427 --> 00:34:03,267
Speaker 3: question of a previous call. I've interested on your view

633
00:34:03,307 --> 00:34:05,427
Speaker 3: on this. Do you think it is is the job

634
00:34:05,467 --> 00:34:08,387
Speaker 3: of Super Rugby to prepare the all Blacks for test rugby?

635
00:34:10,227 --> 00:34:13,187
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think it is because ultimately that is the

636
00:34:13,267 --> 00:34:17,187
Speaker 13: kind of flagship of the New Zealand rugby landscape and

637
00:34:17,187 --> 00:34:19,547
Speaker 13: that's where the sportship comes from. It if we kind

638
00:34:19,547 --> 00:34:23,107
Speaker 13: of keep on losing matches and tipping over, you know,

639
00:34:23,187 --> 00:34:25,787
Speaker 13: we love going to be the kind of marquee team

640
00:34:25,827 --> 00:34:29,067
Speaker 13: for sponsors that come to you know. Yeah, so I

641
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Speaker 13: think we seriously need to tap into do why and

642
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Speaker 13: adds two for some serious money. I think that's where

643
00:34:34,947 --> 00:34:38,067
Speaker 13: the next World Cup is going to be and Feture.

644
00:34:38,747 --> 00:34:41,267
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's whenever we're not going to get the South

645
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Speaker 3: African teams back. That's that's one thing I think we

646
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Speaker 3: can both be sure of. But yeah, it's a great

647
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Speaker 3: point you make, Mike, and I think looking back now,

648
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Speaker 3: you know, it's I know, hindsight's twenty twenty, but it

649
00:34:54,267 --> 00:34:56,627
Speaker 3: was obvious that not having South African sides in Super

650
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Speaker 3: Rugby was going to affect us in terms of the

651
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Speaker 3: standard of Super rugby that then had players going on

652
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Speaker 3: to the All Blacks. A lot of those guys who

653
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Speaker 3: went to South Africa, like, had never been to South

654
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Speaker 3: af That never would have happened before because they all

655
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Speaker 3: went there at least once a year for Super Rugby.

656
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Speaker 13: Well that's that's why I think maybe a few of

657
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Speaker 13: the younger ones got a bit overawed at Ala Park

658
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Speaker 13: and and maybe a little bit slightly intimidated, which you

659
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Speaker 13: know has to be expected that you know, you need

660
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Speaker 13: those tours which we're talking about this coming up, you know,

661
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Speaker 13: the fifteen game tours and stuff to hard them up

662
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Speaker 13: and get them tunes or in special rugby. So if yeah,

663
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Speaker 13: come back and win a.

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Speaker 3: World Cup, you know, yeah, good man, Mike, drive safe, mate,

665
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Speaker 3: good to chatty you thanks for calling in our eight

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty Phil hole. They're twelve

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Speaker 3: away from one way back after this on News Talks EDB, the.

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Speaker 1: School, from the trag Field and the Court on your

669
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Speaker 1: home of Sport Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 3: With Jason Talks, nine to one News Talk z B.

671
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Speaker 3: Tony says, Piney, who's gonna prepare them for Test rugby

672
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Speaker 3: if Super Rugby doesn't? Yeah, Tony, sorry, I probably should

673
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Speaker 3: have explained myself a bit bitter. What I meant was,

674
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Speaker 3: is it Super Rugby's job to prepare our players for

675
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Speaker 3: ten rugby? Of course they're going to be prepared for

676
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Speaker 3: Test Rugby by playing Super Rugby, But look at it

677
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Speaker 3: this way. Jack Mesley, new CEO of Super Rugby, Pacific.

678
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Speaker 3: Would one of his KPIs be that the All Blacks win,

679
00:36:19,507 --> 00:36:22,427
Speaker 3: he'll get I'm sure he's got bonuses worked into his

680
00:36:22,627 --> 00:36:27,427
Speaker 3: pay packet, his pay package rather around crowds and TV

681
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Speaker 3: numbers things like that. Would he have a KPI that says, Okay,

682
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Speaker 3: if the All Blacks win every test this year, then

683
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Speaker 3: you get you get another five grand. I don't think

684
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Speaker 3: the All Blacks winning test matches is part of the

685
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Speaker 3: brief of Jack Mesley as super Rugby CEO. I guess

686
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Speaker 3: that's what I was trying to say. Hope that kind

687
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Speaker 3: of cleans it up a little bit.

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Speaker 14: Hello, Phil, Yeah, Claire is mud pointy.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's good. As long as thought I thought I

690
00:36:54,907 --> 00:36:57,027
Speaker 3: can understand it, and Andy can understand it, and you

691
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Speaker 3: can understand it, then here we are.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: No, I'm just having you on. No, a couple of points,

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Speaker 14: A couple of points. I didn't think a great deal

695
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Speaker 14: of the new format and until you sort of explained

696
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Speaker 14: it like the NRL where the reward of getting that

697
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Speaker 14: second chance is getting in the top four for the

698
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Speaker 14: n r L, which I hadn't really thought about before.

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Speaker 14: And then, like you said, the reward of being first

700
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Speaker 14: and finishing number one in the new format is you

701
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Speaker 14: get another chance, you know, so I think, and I

702
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Speaker 14: think it's okay in that regard. I might be a

703
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Speaker 14: bit simplistic about it. And the other thing that I

704
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Speaker 14: thought was a really good point that I hadn't thought

705
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Speaker 14: about and this is what really made me call in

706
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Speaker 14: today because there has to be much New Zealand stuff on.

707
00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:43,947
Speaker 14: I watched the Old League Class Night, which was good.

708
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Speaker 14: Was that call of saying about the South Africans and

709
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Speaker 14: the Super twelve or the Super Competition, is it where

710
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Speaker 14: we used to play the South African teams? And like

711
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Speaker 14: you said, no, I don't think it's the job of

712
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Speaker 14: the Super twelve to prepare the All Blacks flour tests

713
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Speaker 14: or you know, the New Zealand teams to play yes

714
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Speaker 14: against the South Africans. But what I thought was that

715
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Speaker 14: it's an excellent point though, because if you're playing you're

716
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Speaker 14: not Maine, you're not playing these South African test team.

717
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Speaker 14: But if you're playing the players that play in their competition,

718
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Speaker 14: then you get to learn about your opponent, even if

719
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Speaker 14: you think you know about them or had experience in

720
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Speaker 14: the past, because there's nothing with being hands on experience.

721
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Speaker 14: So you're getting to play against those players in their

722
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Speaker 14: you know, in their teams.

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Speaker 3: And travel and travel to the Republic. Yeah, all that

724
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Speaker 3: stuff around acclimatizing, playing at altitude, all those things. Yeah. Again,

725
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Speaker 3: it's it's just a while. It might not be Super

726
00:38:43,867 --> 00:38:47,507
Speaker 3: Rugby's job to prepare players for Test rugby. When South

727
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Speaker 3: Africa were in Super Rugby, playing against them prepared you

728
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Speaker 3: for playing against them internationally.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's what I'm trying to say,

730
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Speaker 14: because I was thinking it was like I was thinking

731
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Speaker 14: it was like the old America's Cup and the Kiwi's

732
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Speaker 14: held before. They didn't race until you know the opponent,

733
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Speaker 14: their opponent came through, and then they only raised them.

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Speaker 14: And then I think the key we said, no, we're

735
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Speaker 14: changing the rules. We're going to participate in the initial races.

736
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Speaker 14: So again they're getting to sust the other boats out

737
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Speaker 14: on the water and hands on experience and not having

738
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Speaker 14: to wait and hope and you know they've done the

739
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Speaker 14: best that they're prepared for an then sailing. So you're

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Speaker 14: getting that all that bit of hands on experience, like

741
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Speaker 14: you've just said, with also your chav and acclimatizing, get

742
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Speaker 14: used to.

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Speaker 12: Stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think there's a great to Chatty has

745
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Speaker 3: always mate. I think there's no doubt that the All

746
00:39:37,827 --> 00:39:40,067
Speaker 3: Blacks would have had I don't know, maybe this is

747
00:39:40,067 --> 00:39:41,707
Speaker 3: too simplistic, but I feel like the All Blacks would

748
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Speaker 3: have had a better chance to beat in the spring

749
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Speaker 3: box if South African side were still in Super Rugby.

750
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Speaker 3: That may be too simplistic. And yes, we do forget

751
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Speaker 3: that some of those South African sides coming towards the

752
00:39:53,267 --> 00:39:55,507
Speaker 3: end of it were pretty poor. The Cheetahs were never great,

753
00:39:55,547 --> 00:39:59,627
Speaker 3: were they? But New Zealand players got the opportunity every

754
00:39:59,707 --> 00:40:02,987
Speaker 3: year to travel to the Republic and also to play

755
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Speaker 3: against what was it five for at least four most

756
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Speaker 3: part five South African sides playing against South Afrian players.

757
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Speaker 3: The point you made film They got used to playing

758
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Speaker 3: against those those players, those types of players, those massive men,

759
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Speaker 3: who they then would face in the test arena. That

760
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Speaker 3: doesn't happen now. One of the bits of collateral damage

761
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Speaker 3: is what I said before I think it was seven

762
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Speaker 3: Elliot Smith told me seven of the All Blacks touring

763
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Speaker 3: party to South Africa had never been to South Africa.

764
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Speaker 3: That was their first time in the professional era from

765
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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six onwards. Would there have been a player

766
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Speaker 3: whose first game of rugby in South Africa was a

767
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Speaker 3: test match? Highly unlikely, right, because they would have been

768
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Speaker 3: there with their Super team. So it's just another little thing.

769
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Speaker 3: But again, is it Super Rugby's job? Yes, of course,

770
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Speaker 3: playing in Super Rugby is where you have the highest

771
00:41:03,827 --> 00:41:06,707
Speaker 3: level of rugby in New Zealand and therefore the All

772
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Speaker 3: Blacks are picked from it. But I come back to

773
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Speaker 3: Jack Measley. It's not his job to help the All

774
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Speaker 3: Blacks win test matches because, as someone else has pointed out,

775
00:41:16,147 --> 00:41:18,427
Speaker 3: he's got Australian teams in his camp as well, and

776
00:41:18,427 --> 00:41:24,867
Speaker 3: the Fijian drawer and Manu Samour Sorrymuna Pacifica, so he

777
00:41:24,867 --> 00:41:28,747
Speaker 3: can't possibly have a KPI of having the All Blacks

778
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Speaker 3: wind test matches. Stacy Jones after one.

779
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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest fource issues on

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Speaker 1: and after fields.

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00:41:38,147 --> 00:41:41,827
Speaker 2: It's all on regens Ford with Jason Vane on your

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Speaker 2: Home of Sport US Talk.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back into the show one seven on Jason Fine

784
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Speaker 3: A very special hour ahead, A huge pleasure to welcome

785
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Speaker 3: into the studio for the next hour. Rugby League Royalty

786
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Speaker 3: in February Stacy Jones confirmed as head coach of the Kiwis,

787
00:41:57,867 --> 00:42:00,827
Speaker 3: having served as an assistant coach with the New Zealand

788
00:42:00,827 --> 00:42:04,627
Speaker 3: men's side since twenty eighteen, eight seasons as assistant coach

789
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Speaker 3: with the Warriors and of course decorated playing career.

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Speaker 8: Stacy joneses to the left.

791
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Speaker 15: They've got number problems here, Manly Jones.

792
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Speaker 3: Surely they must score.

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Speaker 15: Joneses done it, Stacy James Manley and they had three defenders.

794
00:42:17,747 --> 00:42:21,347
Speaker 15: He beat Menzies and as he has done throughout his career,

795
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Speaker 15: Stacy Jones will get.

796
00:42:23,627 --> 00:42:26,547
Speaker 8: The Warriors home. Shortly the clock is running down.

797
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Speaker 15: Stacy Jones has the ball on the last by Halloonic.

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Speaker 3: In his career, he goes out a winner here they

799
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Speaker 3: called him the Little General. Of course, more than three

800
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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty games at the highest level. He captain

801
00:42:37,027 --> 00:42:39,867
Speaker 3: the Kiwis and played forty six Tests for New Zealand,

802
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Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty one games for the Warriors, forty

803
00:42:42,667 --> 00:42:45,827
Speaker 3: five matches for the Catalan Dragons and Super League. He

804
00:42:45,867 --> 00:42:48,227
Speaker 3: won the Golden Boot in two thousand and two for

805
00:42:48,307 --> 00:42:52,147
Speaker 3: best international player inducted into the New Zealand Rugby League.

806
00:42:52,227 --> 00:42:55,187
Speaker 3: Legends of League included in the New Zealand Rugby League

807
00:42:55,227 --> 00:42:58,147
Speaker 3: Team of the Century, inducted into the New Zealand Sports

808
00:42:58,147 --> 00:43:01,707
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame and the NRL Hall of Fame. Awarded

809
00:43:01,707 --> 00:43:04,427
Speaker 3: the New Zealand Order of Merit for services to rugby league.

810
00:43:04,507 --> 00:43:07,867
Speaker 3: Arguably the greatest New Zealand rugby league player of all time.

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Speaker 3: Nice to see you, mate, Yeah, Jason, thanks for having me. Now,

812
00:43:10,307 --> 00:43:12,307
Speaker 3: thanks for coming in Stace. Let's talk about the Kiwis.

813
00:43:13,027 --> 00:43:15,987
Speaker 3: How much are you looking forward to taking charge as

814
00:43:16,027 --> 00:43:17,587
Speaker 3: head coach of the Kiwis for the first time.

815
00:43:17,707 --> 00:43:20,827
Speaker 8: Yeah, very excited, Jason. You know when I got appointed

816
00:43:20,827 --> 00:43:23,267
Speaker 8: in February, it you know, it seems like a while

817
00:43:23,307 --> 00:43:26,867
Speaker 8: ago now, but it's getting closer now to actually doing

818
00:43:26,907 --> 00:43:31,067
Speaker 8: the real thing. Looking forward to getting into camp, looking

819
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Speaker 8: forward to the final series and players getting through unscathed.

820
00:43:35,227 --> 00:43:38,387
Speaker 8: But yeah, you know, first game in christ Shots against Australia,

821
00:43:38,867 --> 00:43:43,187
Speaker 8: then back in Auckland versus Tonga which will be really tough.

822
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Speaker 8: So just yes, really excited.

823
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Speaker 3: What was the process like was it like a job interview?

824
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Speaker 2: Did you have?

825
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Speaker 3: How many interviews did you have?

826
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Speaker 8: I had a couple. It was it was a process

827
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Speaker 8: that took me out of my comfort zone. Hadn't done

828
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Speaker 8: one of these before, and you know, I felt I

829
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Speaker 8: I worked really hard to put stuff together and give

830
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Speaker 8: my vision of you know, I think I should should

831
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Speaker 8: be the coach. And look, I had people around me

832
00:44:10,267 --> 00:44:14,947
Speaker 8: that that have been really supportive around this. So in particular,

833
00:44:15,067 --> 00:44:19,067
Speaker 8: you know the Cameron George and Andrew Webster, Mark Robinson

834
00:44:19,107 --> 00:44:22,187
Speaker 8: at the Warriors, so really supportive for me to do this.

835
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to ask that. So they encouraged you.

836
00:44:24,307 --> 00:44:26,507
Speaker 3: They didn't necessarily think that it would be something that

837
00:44:26,547 --> 00:44:29,587
Speaker 3: would distract you from your gig at the Warriors. They

838
00:44:29,587 --> 00:44:30,867
Speaker 3: saw it as complementary.

839
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Speaker 8: No, they saught. They said it adds value, you know,

840
00:44:35,027 --> 00:44:38,107
Speaker 8: me being in that environment and will make me a

841
00:44:38,147 --> 00:44:41,507
Speaker 8: better coach. And yeah, look I was very fortunate to

842
00:44:41,547 --> 00:44:43,067
Speaker 8: have them right behind.

843
00:44:42,867 --> 00:44:48,467
Speaker 3: Me as Kiwi's coach. How much of it is making

844
00:44:48,507 --> 00:44:50,267
Speaker 3: those guys want to play for the Jersey.

845
00:44:51,467 --> 00:44:55,907
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was very fortunate to be involved last year,

846
00:44:55,947 --> 00:44:59,947
Speaker 8: in particular with the success we had and how connected

847
00:45:00,227 --> 00:45:03,267
Speaker 8: that group of players are. I'm very blessed of having

848
00:45:03,387 --> 00:45:07,027
Speaker 8: a really strong leadership group that that know what they want.

849
00:45:07,547 --> 00:45:11,067
Speaker 8: And the really good thing Michael Maguire did last year

850
00:45:11,227 --> 00:45:14,307
Speaker 8: was he gave a lot of ownership to the players,

851
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Speaker 8: and I feel I've got to continue down that path.

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Speaker 5: You know.

853
00:45:18,747 --> 00:45:23,067
Speaker 8: The senior leadership group of James Fisher, Harris, Jerome Hughes,

854
00:45:23,187 --> 00:45:30,907
Speaker 8: Joe Tappany, Nelson Solomoner, Karen Forren a really strong group

855
00:45:30,907 --> 00:45:34,187
Speaker 8: of players, rarely experienced, and they will know how to win, win,

856
00:45:34,867 --> 00:45:37,147
Speaker 8: win games of rugby league, which certainly makes it a

857
00:45:37,147 --> 00:45:37,627
Speaker 8: bit easier.

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Speaker 3: What does that ownership look like, Oh, look, it's it's.

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Speaker 8: Meeting with them and talking about the week, what they

860
00:45:43,707 --> 00:45:47,467
Speaker 8: want and the balance of that obviously what what I

861
00:45:47,587 --> 00:45:52,107
Speaker 8: need from them. The good thing about these guys that

862
00:45:52,147 --> 00:45:55,947
Speaker 8: don't take shortcuts, you know, they they they're clear on

863
00:45:55,987 --> 00:45:57,307
Speaker 8: what they want and I've got to be clear on

864
00:45:57,347 --> 00:45:58,427
Speaker 8: what I give them.

865
00:45:58,907 --> 00:46:03,107
Speaker 3: How different is it from an NRL environment? Uh?

866
00:46:03,187 --> 00:46:07,467
Speaker 8: Yeah, very different? A couple of reasons. You know, you're

867
00:46:07,827 --> 00:46:11,027
Speaker 8: you're dealing with the elite players. Worries is there is

868
00:46:11,067 --> 00:46:17,147
Speaker 8: all different ranges of players, a shorter campaign obviously, and

869
00:46:17,147 --> 00:46:20,427
Speaker 8: and I guess you know, playing for your country, you know,

870
00:46:20,507 --> 00:46:23,747
Speaker 8: and you know I was fortunate enough again to play

871
00:46:23,827 --> 00:46:27,587
Speaker 8: for the Keys and know the connection, the brotherhood and

872
00:46:27,627 --> 00:46:30,827
Speaker 8: all of that, and this group of players have continued

873
00:46:30,827 --> 00:46:32,267
Speaker 8: that is.

874
00:46:32,187 --> 00:46:35,587
Speaker 3: That something that you you play on a lot when

875
00:46:35,667 --> 00:46:38,027
Speaker 3: when you're together, because these are the best players, right,

876
00:46:38,507 --> 00:46:40,147
Speaker 3: as long as you get your selection right, you've got

877
00:46:40,147 --> 00:46:44,227
Speaker 3: the best players. So do you and wanted to unpack

878
00:46:44,267 --> 00:46:48,067
Speaker 3: this connection element again, do you talk a lot about

879
00:46:48,907 --> 00:46:51,027
Speaker 3: connection during your time or do you talk more about

880
00:46:51,147 --> 00:46:52,267
Speaker 3: how we're going to defend today?

881
00:46:53,347 --> 00:46:56,747
Speaker 8: Again, it's the balance, So you know, the first couple

882
00:46:56,787 --> 00:46:59,947
Speaker 8: of days is about that and finding out what we know,

883
00:46:59,987 --> 00:47:01,667
Speaker 8: what we want to achieve, how we're going to go

884
00:47:01,707 --> 00:47:05,307
Speaker 8: about it, and then then it just flows. You know,

885
00:47:06,707 --> 00:47:10,947
Speaker 8: they just know you love being in camp as a group,

886
00:47:11,627 --> 00:47:16,467
Speaker 8: your limited time and that so it's really the first

887
00:47:16,547 --> 00:47:18,947
Speaker 8: couple of days is pretty important about the bonding side

888
00:47:18,947 --> 00:47:19,307
Speaker 8: of things.

889
00:47:19,507 --> 00:47:21,267
Speaker 3: How do you bring you guys in, what's the what's

890
00:47:21,267 --> 00:47:23,067
Speaker 3: the process around bringing new players in?

891
00:47:23,267 --> 00:47:28,427
Speaker 8: Yeah, like last year, we you know, we had a

892
00:47:28,467 --> 00:47:32,427
Speaker 8: strong cultural part of element about ourselves, you know, not

893
00:47:32,507 --> 00:47:36,787
Speaker 8: just multi culture, our Pacific Island culture and you know,

894
00:47:36,867 --> 00:47:40,667
Speaker 8: the young players making sure that you know they're welcomed.

895
00:47:40,867 --> 00:47:42,627
Speaker 8: And this is what this group is really good. No

896
00:47:42,707 --> 00:47:45,507
Speaker 8: matter how experienced you are or you know, there's no

897
00:47:45,707 --> 00:47:49,827
Speaker 8: real you've got to do something really bad to earn it.

898
00:47:50,067 --> 00:47:51,587
Speaker 8: You know, this group, as soon as you're in that

899
00:47:51,587 --> 00:47:52,947
Speaker 8: that team, you're a part of the team.

900
00:47:53,107 --> 00:47:55,067
Speaker 3: Was that the same for you when you came into

901
00:47:55,067 --> 00:47:56,147
Speaker 3: the keywis a.

902
00:47:56,067 --> 00:48:00,027
Speaker 8: Little bit different I think, but were old school, you know,

903
00:48:00,027 --> 00:48:01,827
Speaker 8: I probably had to do a few more, had to

904
00:48:01,827 --> 00:48:04,267
Speaker 8: make sure that you know that the older players probably

905
00:48:04,387 --> 00:48:06,707
Speaker 8: wash their boots or carry their bag and stuff that.

906
00:48:06,747 --> 00:48:11,387
Speaker 8: But no, things absolutely certainly changed, but there's some some

907
00:48:11,427 --> 00:48:15,787
Speaker 8: traditions strong. Because part of part of me about this

908
00:48:15,787 --> 00:48:20,707
Speaker 8: this team is also understanding our past, you know, understanding

909
00:48:20,747 --> 00:48:23,667
Speaker 8: where where the jersey was and where it is now

910
00:48:23,747 --> 00:48:25,947
Speaker 8: and also understanding our future.

911
00:48:26,507 --> 00:48:28,747
Speaker 3: So when you were are you keen then for your

912
00:48:28,827 --> 00:48:31,987
Speaker 3: players to know the history of the team in terms

913
00:48:31,987 --> 00:48:33,627
Speaker 3: of other they We won the World Cup in this

914
00:48:33,707 --> 00:48:36,387
Speaker 3: year and this was a very famous game and this

915
00:48:36,467 --> 00:48:38,147
Speaker 3: guy played fifty games. Is that the kind of thing

916
00:48:38,147 --> 00:48:38,787
Speaker 3: you're talking about?

917
00:48:38,867 --> 00:48:41,867
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's important and one good thing I want to

918
00:48:41,907 --> 00:48:44,987
Speaker 8: do is make sure that we can get some old

919
00:48:45,027 --> 00:48:48,267
Speaker 8: boys around around the group. You know, our first week

920
00:48:48,307 --> 00:48:51,787
Speaker 8: done in christ Church. You know, I'm trying to think

921
00:48:51,827 --> 00:48:54,387
Speaker 8: of who's a who's a player you know that's come

922
00:48:54,427 --> 00:48:56,987
Speaker 8: from the South Island. That I can, you know, get

923
00:48:56,987 --> 00:48:59,307
Speaker 8: around the group a little bit. And the first person

924
00:48:59,347 --> 00:49:02,107
Speaker 8: that sprung to mind was Simon Mannering. You know what

925
00:49:02,147 --> 00:49:04,027
Speaker 8: a legend of the game he was. And all these

926
00:49:04,067 --> 00:49:07,147
Speaker 8: players in this team will understand where Simon's come from.

927
00:49:07,147 --> 00:49:09,747
Speaker 8: And I spoke to Simon the other day and he's

928
00:49:09,787 --> 00:49:11,947
Speaker 8: really keen to skinter and I said, Simon, you don't

929
00:49:11,987 --> 00:49:13,707
Speaker 8: have to come in and say a big speech or

930
00:49:13,747 --> 00:49:15,787
Speaker 8: anything like that. I might get you to put some

931
00:49:15,867 --> 00:49:19,027
Speaker 8: cones out on the field and whatnot. But he just

932
00:49:19,107 --> 00:49:20,947
Speaker 8: loves that sort of stuff, Simon, and I know that

933
00:49:20,987 --> 00:49:23,787
Speaker 8: these players will really respect it and enjoy having around

934
00:49:24,027 --> 00:49:25,027
Speaker 8: him for a little bit.

935
00:49:25,147 --> 00:49:27,187
Speaker 3: When you're gonna name your squad, so.

936
00:49:27,267 --> 00:49:31,707
Speaker 8: September thirty, my understanding, I've just been given guidelines. We've

937
00:49:31,707 --> 00:49:35,627
Speaker 8: got a name a thirty man squad. We've got a

938
00:49:35,627 --> 00:49:39,667
Speaker 8: wider squad at the moment, and it's a pretty wide squad,

939
00:49:39,707 --> 00:49:41,347
Speaker 8: but we're going to need it by the sounds with

940
00:49:41,467 --> 00:49:45,867
Speaker 8: players dropping out for through injury. Yeah, and then it'll

941
00:49:45,907 --> 00:49:47,867
Speaker 8: cut back to twenty one players.

942
00:49:48,427 --> 00:49:51,187
Speaker 3: Are you likely to keep faith with most of the

943
00:49:51,227 --> 00:49:54,227
Speaker 3: guys who are involved availability pending of course, who were

944
00:49:54,227 --> 00:49:57,187
Speaker 3: involved in the thirty knil last year you've been Australia

945
00:49:57,227 --> 00:50:00,107
Speaker 3: in that final. Is it likely to be the same guys?

946
00:50:01,267 --> 00:50:06,227
Speaker 8: Likely, But some players will be unavailable. You know one

947
00:50:06,667 --> 00:50:09,307
Speaker 8: Joey mart who's going to rugby so he won't be

948
00:50:09,707 --> 00:50:11,467
Speaker 8: a part of squad and he's been a massive part

949
00:50:11,507 --> 00:50:14,907
Speaker 8: of this team for quite some time. And then players

950
00:50:14,947 --> 00:50:16,867
Speaker 8: injured to there's a couple of injuries that you know,

951
00:50:16,907 --> 00:50:20,507
Speaker 8: we've got to deal with. So exciting, but there's there's

952
00:50:20,547 --> 00:50:23,707
Speaker 8: a good core group of players from last year. But

953
00:50:23,827 --> 00:50:28,507
Speaker 8: I'm also super excited about, you know, someone making their debut. Yeah.

954
00:50:28,667 --> 00:50:30,867
Speaker 3: Stacey Joneses in studio with us, will take your calls

955
00:50:30,867 --> 00:50:32,987
Speaker 3: if you like, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, or

956
00:50:33,027 --> 00:50:35,427
Speaker 3: text your questions through to nine to two nine two.

957
00:50:35,467 --> 00:50:37,787
Speaker 3: They're starting to come in now, so we'll try and

958
00:50:37,827 --> 00:50:40,747
Speaker 3: get to get some of those questions. Just on the

959
00:50:40,787 --> 00:50:44,707
Speaker 3: players who definitely won't be there. Is there anybody who

960
00:50:44,787 --> 00:50:47,187
Speaker 3: categorically won't be there because either they're injured, they're resting,

961
00:50:47,267 --> 00:50:48,787
Speaker 3: or they're having off season surgery.

962
00:50:49,227 --> 00:50:56,547
Speaker 8: Yeah, Dylan Brown injured his knee last round of the

963
00:50:56,547 --> 00:51:00,507
Speaker 8: the our season, so he needs surgery. He's going to

964
00:51:00,547 --> 00:51:03,387
Speaker 8: be up for some time, so he's unavailable. Karen Forren

965
00:51:04,827 --> 00:51:08,547
Speaker 8: is having ankle surgery, sorry, had ankle surgery yesterday, so

966
00:51:09,027 --> 00:51:12,347
Speaker 8: he won't be there. And I'm just trying to think

967
00:51:12,387 --> 00:51:16,987
Speaker 8: who else there's Well, Brandon Smith wasn't there last year,

968
00:51:17,027 --> 00:51:19,227
Speaker 8: but he's injured too, so he would have definitely been

969
00:51:20,067 --> 00:51:25,307
Speaker 8: in consideration. So yeah, tough, but you know, give someone

970
00:51:25,347 --> 00:51:26,107
Speaker 8: else an opportunity.

971
00:51:26,187 --> 00:51:27,707
Speaker 3: You had a bunch of guys who are playing finals

972
00:51:27,747 --> 00:51:29,387
Speaker 3: as well, right you probably are you watching these games?

973
00:51:29,427 --> 00:51:30,667
Speaker 3: I think there's only one of the one of the

974
00:51:30,667 --> 00:51:33,307
Speaker 3: eight teams that doesn't have guys who are eligible if

975
00:51:33,307 --> 00:51:35,507
Speaker 3: you want to pick them. Are you watching these games

976
00:51:35,507 --> 00:51:36,347
Speaker 3: with their fingers crossed?

977
00:51:36,707 --> 00:51:39,787
Speaker 8: Certainly am Jason and watching it hoping no one gets

978
00:51:39,827 --> 00:51:43,747
Speaker 8: injured and also like hoping that they just they played

979
00:51:43,747 --> 00:51:45,907
Speaker 8: good footy and you know, enter our final series, the

980
00:51:45,907 --> 00:51:47,027
Speaker 8: game goes to another level.

981
00:51:47,747 --> 00:51:51,827
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you might not be able to answer this question,

982
00:51:51,907 --> 00:51:53,907
Speaker 3: but chance to call click Star was the only Warrior

983
00:51:53,987 --> 00:51:58,027
Speaker 3: last year in the KIWIS. Might we see some more Warriors.

984
00:51:57,547 --> 00:52:02,067
Speaker 8: In the KIWISA, So chances is definitely in the in

985
00:52:02,107 --> 00:52:07,067
Speaker 8: the picture. Murata new Cordo was unavailable last year, so

986
00:52:07,187 --> 00:52:13,587
Speaker 8: he's he's in contention. So yeah, there's a couple play.

987
00:52:13,627 --> 00:52:17,347
Speaker 8: I've just made a big wider squad, Jason, So yeah,

988
00:52:17,747 --> 00:52:20,707
Speaker 8: just September thirty. Well know who's in that thirty?

989
00:52:21,027 --> 00:52:23,787
Speaker 3: And is it the case that you basically submit a

990
00:52:23,867 --> 00:52:27,907
Speaker 3: list and then the NRL approach the players and say, hey,

991
00:52:28,067 --> 00:52:30,827
Speaker 3: the keepers want you to play? Do you want to play?

992
00:52:30,867 --> 00:52:31,667
Speaker 3: Is that how it works?

993
00:52:32,027 --> 00:52:35,067
Speaker 8: Yet that the New Zealand Rugby League, so more to

994
00:52:35,067 --> 00:52:40,067
Speaker 8: Tony or Nadine Conlin now our manager. The selectors come

995
00:52:40,147 --> 00:52:41,907
Speaker 8: up with a list and then we give that list

996
00:52:41,947 --> 00:52:43,907
Speaker 8: to the New Zealand Rugby League, which is more to

997
00:52:43,947 --> 00:52:46,827
Speaker 8: a Nardine, and then they approach the clubs and say

998
00:52:46,867 --> 00:52:49,547
Speaker 8: these are the players that are in contention. And then

999
00:52:49,627 --> 00:52:52,827
Speaker 8: the club will get back to us and say he's

1000
00:52:52,827 --> 00:52:55,587
Speaker 8: not in contention because he needs surgery or he needs

1001
00:52:55,587 --> 00:52:58,827
Speaker 8: something right, And then yeah, but look, I'm on the

1002
00:52:58,827 --> 00:53:00,867
Speaker 8: phone quite a bit to a lot of the players

1003
00:53:00,907 --> 00:53:03,227
Speaker 8: around different things over the years, but right at the moment,

1004
00:53:03,267 --> 00:53:05,747
Speaker 8: I'm just letting them play forty. All the ones that

1005
00:53:05,787 --> 00:53:07,147
Speaker 8: are finished have a good break.

1006
00:53:07,187 --> 00:53:10,027
Speaker 3: I would imagine if if I was a player in

1007
00:53:10,067 --> 00:53:11,787
Speaker 3: the phone rang it with Stacy Jones, I'd pick it

1008
00:53:11,867 --> 00:53:15,147
Speaker 3: up and say yeah, I'll play you do. I know

1009
00:53:15,227 --> 00:53:18,147
Speaker 3: you'd never say it, but as a personal approach valuable

1010
00:53:18,187 --> 00:53:19,027
Speaker 3: in these situations.

1011
00:53:19,427 --> 00:53:22,147
Speaker 8: Definitely, Yeah, definitely. And you've got to be careful to

1012
00:53:22,227 --> 00:53:26,067
Speaker 8: around these things too, So me and more two more

1013
00:53:26,107 --> 00:53:28,227
Speaker 8: two Toney, the general manager of News and Rugby League,

1014
00:53:28,267 --> 00:53:30,987
Speaker 8: did a trip to Australia when when we had a

1015
00:53:31,027 --> 00:53:32,627
Speaker 8: buy and we got around to a lot of players

1016
00:53:32,627 --> 00:53:35,387
Speaker 8: and it was just group conversation too that you boys

1017
00:53:35,427 --> 00:53:38,987
Speaker 8: are all in contention and you know they certainly want

1018
00:53:38,987 --> 00:53:39,867
Speaker 8: to play for their country.

1019
00:53:39,947 --> 00:53:42,667
Speaker 3: Brilliant. Your assistant coaches, man, it's an all star cast,

1020
00:53:42,707 --> 00:53:45,827
Speaker 3: Steve Price, Nathan Kaylas, Adam Blair, Daryl Helligan's your kicking coach,

1021
00:53:45,907 --> 00:53:49,507
Speaker 3: David Solomona, well being manager. I'm interested in Stephen Kearney though,

1022
00:53:50,347 --> 00:53:53,307
Speaker 3: culture and leadership advisor. I know you stepped away from

1023
00:53:53,347 --> 00:53:55,987
Speaker 3: coaching and probably you know, we didn't know whether it

1024
00:53:55,987 --> 00:53:58,347
Speaker 3: was going to come back in. But as culture and

1025
00:53:58,467 --> 00:54:00,547
Speaker 3: leadership advisor, what does that role entail?

1026
00:54:00,947 --> 00:54:04,027
Speaker 8: Yeah? So all those people you named were all part

1027
00:54:04,067 --> 00:54:07,147
Speaker 8: of the setup last year, so I wanted to keep

1028
00:54:07,147 --> 00:54:10,787
Speaker 8: things as as familiar as possible and Stephen Kearney was

1029
00:54:10,867 --> 00:54:13,387
Speaker 8: part of that too. So he came in for the

1030
00:54:13,427 --> 00:54:15,787
Speaker 8: first three or four days and what we spoke about

1031
00:54:15,787 --> 00:54:18,707
Speaker 8: the connection and culture side of it. He drove all

1032
00:54:18,747 --> 00:54:21,787
Speaker 8: of that, Steve, and he was a big part of

1033
00:54:22,107 --> 00:54:25,107
Speaker 8: why we were successful in the group. So I wanted

1034
00:54:25,147 --> 00:54:28,067
Speaker 8: Steve to be around the whole time instead of just

1035
00:54:28,227 --> 00:54:32,427
Speaker 8: two three days. So we don't have a mental skills

1036
00:54:32,467 --> 00:54:37,867
Speaker 8: coach as such. So I feel Steven's, you know, well

1037
00:54:38,587 --> 00:54:41,427
Speaker 8: well experienced for a role like that, and I know

1038
00:54:41,507 --> 00:54:44,707
Speaker 8: that when he spoke to the group around the Jersey

1039
00:54:44,787 --> 00:54:47,627
Speaker 8: and the culture and the connection, they all listened. You know,

1040
00:54:47,707 --> 00:54:53,307
Speaker 8: He's arguably been our most successful Kiwis coach. So for me,

1041
00:54:53,467 --> 00:54:57,707
Speaker 8: as a know a coach coming in to take over

1042
00:54:57,707 --> 00:54:59,627
Speaker 8: the team, He's certainly going to be someone that I'm

1043
00:54:59,627 --> 00:55:00,987
Speaker 8: going to rely on.

1044
00:55:01,227 --> 00:55:05,027
Speaker 3: Have you always covered to this role the head coach

1045
00:55:05,067 --> 00:55:06,947
Speaker 3: of the Kiwis or how long have have you been

1046
00:55:06,987 --> 00:55:09,667
Speaker 3: thinking about the possibility of you doing that job?

1047
00:55:09,947 --> 00:55:14,907
Speaker 8: Good question, Jason. Look when I came on board with

1048
00:55:14,907 --> 00:55:19,427
Speaker 8: Michael McGuire when he first took on the job, you know,

1049
00:55:19,587 --> 00:55:23,307
Speaker 8: he he's such passionate, so passionate about about what he does.

1050
00:55:23,387 --> 00:55:28,387
Speaker 8: And one thing he said to myself and Nathan Kaliss

1051
00:55:28,467 --> 00:55:30,547
Speaker 8: that I want you to want you two to be

1052
00:55:30,667 --> 00:55:33,707
Speaker 8: the next Keywis coach. That's my job to get you

1053
00:55:33,787 --> 00:55:38,507
Speaker 8: ready for that. So when he spoke to us around

1054
00:55:38,507 --> 00:55:41,067
Speaker 8: that that, I thought, oh, this would be yeah, why not?

1055
00:55:41,267 --> 00:55:45,067
Speaker 8: So I've got to thank you know, Michael McGuire for

1056
00:55:45,947 --> 00:55:48,147
Speaker 8: for probably shoving me in that direction.

1057
00:55:48,827 --> 00:55:52,467
Speaker 3: Do you have aspirations to be an NRL ahead coach? I?

1058
00:55:52,787 --> 00:55:57,667
Speaker 8: Look, I did the interim job for the Warriors when

1059
00:55:57,667 --> 00:56:00,147
Speaker 8: we were based in Redcliffe, and look, I learned a lot,

1060
00:56:01,547 --> 00:56:04,267
Speaker 8: you know, it was really it was more man management

1061
00:56:04,267 --> 00:56:07,947
Speaker 8: than actual coaching. So but I you know, I get

1062
00:56:07,987 --> 00:56:10,867
Speaker 8: to see how Andrew Webster works every day really close,

1063
00:56:11,107 --> 00:56:13,867
Speaker 8: and look it's it's a pretty full on job and

1064
00:56:14,587 --> 00:56:16,987
Speaker 8: how he goes about about things is brilliant.

1065
00:56:17,027 --> 00:56:20,427
Speaker 3: So no, I don't right, fair enough good to have that,

1066
00:56:20,507 --> 00:56:23,147
Speaker 3: to have that clear up Look like, you never say never.

1067
00:56:23,187 --> 00:56:25,027
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know you might. You might love being

1068
00:56:25,107 --> 00:56:27,147
Speaker 3: Key's head coach and all of a sudden you coach

1069
00:56:27,147 --> 00:56:29,627
Speaker 3: all Wawriors. You know, you never say never? Just before

1070
00:56:29,627 --> 00:56:33,107
Speaker 3: we go to a break, who gives if a halftime

1071
00:56:33,147 --> 00:56:34,387
Speaker 3: spray is needed? Who gives that?

1072
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Speaker 14: Is that?

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Speaker 8: You? I think?

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Speaker 5: So?

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00:56:37,787 --> 00:56:41,827
Speaker 8: Yeah, look, you know, it's one thing I want to

1076
00:56:41,867 --> 00:56:46,307
Speaker 8: be be right with has been clear with messaging, making

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00:56:46,307 --> 00:56:49,627
Speaker 8: sure everyone knows their role. So obviously if someone's not

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00:56:49,667 --> 00:56:52,227
Speaker 8: doing their job, then you know there's there will be

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00:56:52,227 --> 00:56:54,227
Speaker 8: a time where you might have to hey, come on, boys.

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00:56:55,627 --> 00:56:58,747
Speaker 8: But I've learnt also from a lot of other coaches

1081
00:56:58,787 --> 00:57:01,867
Speaker 8: and everyone does it their own way. Like our coach now,

1082
00:57:02,027 --> 00:57:06,067
Speaker 8: like Andrew Webster, he there's no big spray from him,

1083
00:57:06,147 --> 00:57:08,747
Speaker 8: but it's clear and you know when he's angry, you know,

1084
00:57:08,907 --> 00:57:11,067
Speaker 8: so I feel you've got to be your own person

1085
00:57:11,147 --> 00:57:16,987
Speaker 8: too around around these things. Again, I'll use Michael MacGuire's example.

1086
00:57:17,627 --> 00:57:20,787
Speaker 8: You know, when you get a spray, he certainly gives it.

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00:57:20,827 --> 00:57:24,067
Speaker 8: So yeah, take a bit from from every coach that

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00:57:24,147 --> 00:57:27,267
Speaker 8: you've learnt from, but be yourself wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Stacy Jones, our guest. It's one twenty three. A few

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Speaker 3: text rolling in. I'll ask some questions in a moment.

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Speaker 3: You can call to Greg Hold there will get your

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00:57:34,107 --> 00:57:36,427
Speaker 3: question in a moment. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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00:57:36,467 --> 00:57:38,107
Speaker 3: back in a second. On Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 1: Kiwi's head coach, Stacy Jones taking your calls on oh

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason

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00:57:48,067 --> 00:57:52,107
Speaker 1: Pine and GJ gr Nohs, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,

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Speaker 1: News Talks the B.

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Speaker 3: One twenty six on News Talks the B Yeah. Great,

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Speaker 3: delight to have Stacy Jones and studio taking your calls

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Speaker 3: on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We've done a lot

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00:58:00,227 --> 00:58:02,467
Speaker 3: on the Kiwis, but I know there are some Warriors questions,

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Speaker 3: including one I think from you, Greg. You're on with Stacy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he again, Jason, good to see you as a

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00:58:11,107 --> 00:58:15,187
Speaker 7: good Kiwi man coaching the Kiwis. But I would like

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00:58:15,267 --> 00:58:19,987
Speaker 7: to know what a similar squad in the Warriors from

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00:58:20,107 --> 00:58:24,787
Speaker 7: to last year. Why did we finish where we finished?

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00:58:26,827 --> 00:58:26,987
Speaker 16: Ah?

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00:58:27,107 --> 00:58:31,147
Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks thanks for the question. Yeah, yeah, very disappointing

1109
00:58:31,867 --> 00:58:36,387
Speaker 8: season and lots of lots of different reasons for that.

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00:58:37,427 --> 00:58:43,187
Speaker 8: Obviously consistency with with the team last year. I thought

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00:58:43,187 --> 00:58:45,427
Speaker 8: we put out, you know, a similar team just about

1112
00:58:45,427 --> 00:58:52,227
Speaker 8: every week, halves, combinations, edge combinations, and you know, we

1113
00:58:52,387 --> 00:58:54,627
Speaker 8: just got there too many times where we were just

1114
00:58:54,667 --> 00:58:57,667
Speaker 8: chopping and changing and we couldn't get any consistency. That

1115
00:58:57,787 --> 00:59:01,027
Speaker 8: was part of it. But there's lots of different things,

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00:59:02,307 --> 00:59:04,387
Speaker 8: you know, and I can't go into too many details,

1117
00:59:04,387 --> 00:59:08,227
Speaker 8: but you know there were players have you know, problems

1118
00:59:08,427 --> 00:59:11,587
Speaker 8: away from the game and just probably not there in

1119
00:59:11,627 --> 00:59:16,467
Speaker 8: the right headspace. And look, it certainly wasn't complacency, because

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Speaker 8: that was one big thing that we spoke about leading

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00:59:19,147 --> 00:59:21,547
Speaker 8: into the season, that you know, teams will come after

1122
00:59:21,627 --> 00:59:24,107
Speaker 8: us now and we've got to be ready. So it

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00:59:24,147 --> 00:59:28,267
Speaker 8: wasn't that. Yeah, look, lots of different things, but for me,

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Speaker 8: it was just we just weren't consistent enough. We you know,

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Speaker 8: last year, you know, there were tight games and we'd

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Speaker 8: win them, and this year the tight games we lost,

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00:59:38,227 --> 00:59:41,827
Speaker 8: you know, so that in a nutshell, that was it.

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Speaker 8: We did a massive review for two weeks and you

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00:59:44,587 --> 00:59:48,747
Speaker 8: know we've just come off that. So yeah, first and foremost, Yeah,

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Speaker 8: we were disappointing.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your call, Greg. Do you feel optimistic states

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00:59:52,627 --> 00:59:53,547
Speaker 3: having had the review?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, certainly. Look, it was very thorough. The first week

1134
01:00:01,027 --> 01:00:04,347
Speaker 8: was individuals players, and then the second week it was

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01:00:04,427 --> 01:00:07,667
Speaker 8: US as coaches reviewing us our and you know, we

1136
01:00:07,667 --> 01:00:11,907
Speaker 8: were put through some pretty thorough, thorough stuff and we

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01:00:11,987 --> 01:00:14,227
Speaker 8: feel that we're you know, we're heading in the right

1138
01:00:14,227 --> 01:00:15,907
Speaker 8: direction as far as what we've got to do. Next

1139
01:00:15,947 --> 01:00:19,627
Speaker 8: year to get better. You know, we've we've recruited some

1140
01:00:19,667 --> 01:00:23,547
Speaker 8: really good players, some young kids that have had a

1141
01:00:23,547 --> 01:00:26,387
Speaker 8: bit of a taste of enter our footy. We need

1142
01:00:26,427 --> 01:00:29,667
Speaker 8: them to be to step up more this year. So yeah,

1143
01:00:29,747 --> 01:00:32,467
Speaker 8: very very very optimistic for the next year.

1144
01:00:32,507 --> 01:00:35,027
Speaker 3: All right, let's get back to the lines a peta Harmer.

1145
01:00:35,187 --> 01:00:36,547
Speaker 3: You got a question for Stacy James.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, thanks, Boyne, Curt to Stace. Just the key we

1147
01:00:41,387 --> 01:00:45,347
Speaker 17: So you said Dylan and Karen are out well these

1148
01:00:45,747 --> 01:00:49,627
Speaker 17: this test or the series lead us a bit thin,

1149
01:00:49,707 --> 01:00:54,347
Speaker 17: ay and the halves just thinking So I suppose you're

1150
01:00:54,707 --> 01:00:56,627
Speaker 17: I know you're just naming the squad in September, but

1151
01:00:57,867 --> 01:01:03,267
Speaker 17: h it's partner Jerome. I'm just thinking about in the

1152
01:01:03,347 --> 01:01:05,987
Speaker 17: NRL and know names are coming to mind. And just

1153
01:01:06,027 --> 01:01:13,347
Speaker 17: another question around eligibility. Jack Howards from Melbourne, he's key eligible,

1154
01:01:13,547 --> 01:01:15,027
Speaker 17: he's had he's had a good year this year.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks for that question. Yeah, Karen and and Dylan

1156
01:01:21,987 --> 01:01:26,867
Speaker 8: are unfortunately unavailable. Both have had surgery, one to his

1157
01:01:26,947 --> 01:01:29,907
Speaker 8: ankle and one to the knee. And yeah, it does

1158
01:01:30,027 --> 01:01:33,227
Speaker 8: leave us a little bit thin in the halves. So

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01:01:33,347 --> 01:01:35,907
Speaker 8: I've got to get my thinking cap on. We do

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01:01:35,987 --> 01:01:39,187
Speaker 8: have some options there. I will you know, once we're

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01:01:39,187 --> 01:01:43,627
Speaker 8: closer to the time, you know, we'll share that. But uh,

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01:01:43,747 --> 01:01:45,827
Speaker 8: and your question around Jack how Yeah, he was part

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01:01:45,867 --> 01:01:48,747
Speaker 8: of our Kiwi's A team last year that that was

1164
01:01:48,787 --> 01:01:53,067
Speaker 8: a really good concept. Unfortunately, for financial reasons, we couldn't

1165
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Speaker 8: get that off the ground again and Jack was part

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01:01:56,467 --> 01:02:03,227
Speaker 8: of that. Unfortunately, we're trying hard to make Jack put

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01:02:03,267 --> 01:02:06,027
Speaker 8: on the black and white jersey, but there's a there's

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01:02:06,067 --> 01:02:11,267
Speaker 8: an other team a maroon jersey that are also interested

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01:02:11,307 --> 01:02:14,867
Speaker 8: in them. Say, I'm working hard with them. I'm working

1170
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Speaker 8: hard with Jerome Hughes to get him over the line.

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Speaker 8: But he's playing some really good footing in an exciting

1172
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Speaker 8: young prospect.

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Speaker 3: So just to clarify, and this is probably a silly question,

1174
01:02:24,467 --> 01:02:26,107
Speaker 3: but I'll ask on me half the audience and myself.

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Speaker 3: If you play for the Key, which you can't play Origin.

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Speaker 8: That's correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that eliminates you from Origin forever.

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Speaker 8: Basically, I'm not one hundred percent short. What I do

1179
01:02:37,827 --> 01:02:42,867
Speaker 8: know is Adam fanur Blake played thirty minutes for the

1180
01:02:42,947 --> 01:02:46,107
Speaker 8: Kiwis in twenty seventeen and hasn't played for them since.

1181
01:02:46,947 --> 01:02:49,307
Speaker 8: Grew up in New South Wales, he's got Keywi parents

1182
01:02:51,227 --> 01:02:54,147
Speaker 8: and he yeah, he can't play for New South Wales

1183
01:02:54,187 --> 01:02:56,707
Speaker 8: where he grew up with. So that's the stuff we're

1184
01:02:56,707 --> 01:02:58,547
Speaker 8: dealing with. And I would like for them to change

1185
01:02:58,587 --> 01:03:02,027
Speaker 8: their rules around that to make it easier for someone

1186
01:03:02,067 --> 01:03:05,907
Speaker 8: like that, you know, to represent his state where they

1187
01:03:05,947 --> 01:03:08,587
Speaker 8: grow up, but also their heritage or their culture for

1188
01:03:08,667 --> 01:03:09,707
Speaker 8: the country.

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01:03:10,507 --> 01:03:12,787
Speaker 3: Can you can you see that happening?

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Speaker 13: Uh?

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01:03:15,067 --> 01:03:18,867
Speaker 8: Look, if the players get right behind it the r LPA,

1192
01:03:19,187 --> 01:03:22,747
Speaker 8: it possibly could, but it's certainly way above my head.

1193
01:03:22,787 --> 01:03:26,307
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk half. So Jerome Jerome Hughes, okay, isn't.

1194
01:03:26,107 --> 01:03:28,947
Speaker 8: He He's okay? Yeah, well, but he's got to get

1195
01:03:28,947 --> 01:03:31,827
Speaker 8: through you know, a fair amount of foot he's playing

1196
01:03:31,867 --> 01:03:33,707
Speaker 8: tonight against Cronulla. Yeah.

1197
01:03:34,307 --> 01:03:34,467
Speaker 5: Oh.

1198
01:03:34,507 --> 01:03:37,067
Speaker 8: He's had an outstanding year and he was a huge

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Speaker 8: part of our team last year. I worked closely with

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01:03:39,107 --> 01:03:42,627
Speaker 8: Jerome last year, but part of my roles was with

1201
01:03:42,667 --> 01:03:46,427
Speaker 8: the the spine, the key playmakers and and he's such

1202
01:03:46,427 --> 01:03:49,387
Speaker 8: a talent and he just the year he's had this

1203
01:03:49,507 --> 01:03:52,827
Speaker 8: year has been been unrealized. I'd say he should be

1204
01:03:53,867 --> 01:03:55,427
Speaker 8: hot favorite to take out the daily.

1205
01:03:56,467 --> 01:03:59,867
Speaker 3: Speaking of halves, where does Sewn Johnson sit among the players?

1206
01:03:59,907 --> 01:04:02,347
Speaker 3: You've worked alongside, Yeah, right up there.

1207
01:04:04,267 --> 01:04:09,467
Speaker 8: Unfortunately for Sean, you know, his body told him, you know,

1208
01:04:09,787 --> 01:04:12,587
Speaker 8: it was enough, and he had this kills problem that

1209
01:04:12,747 --> 01:04:16,147
Speaker 8: you know, he got early in the preseason. Couldn't couldn't

1210
01:04:16,227 --> 01:04:18,867
Speaker 8: quite shake it off. But I saw him grow last year.

1211
01:04:18,907 --> 01:04:21,907
Speaker 8: I saw him grow to another level as as far

1212
01:04:21,947 --> 01:04:25,147
Speaker 8: as his understanding of the game. You know, the way

1213
01:04:25,187 --> 01:04:31,027
Speaker 8: he communicates, Yeah, he's right up there. And you know, look,

1214
01:04:31,067 --> 01:04:32,747
Speaker 8: if Sean wants to go down the path of being

1215
01:04:32,747 --> 01:04:35,707
Speaker 8: involved in the game at a level of coaching, he'll

1216
01:04:35,747 --> 01:04:36,547
Speaker 8: make a really good one.

1217
01:04:36,627 --> 01:04:38,387
Speaker 3: Do you think he had any second thoughts, like back

1218
01:04:38,427 --> 01:04:40,347
Speaker 3: into the back end of the season, even the last game.

1219
01:04:40,387 --> 01:04:41,867
Speaker 3: It was a bit of a fairy tale, wasn't it

1220
01:04:41,867 --> 01:04:45,147
Speaker 3: the way he threw a you know, through a try

1221
01:04:45,387 --> 01:04:48,867
Speaker 3: passed with his last act basically, do you think any

1222
01:04:48,947 --> 01:04:51,547
Speaker 3: part of him thought I could go around again.

1223
01:04:52,107 --> 01:04:54,707
Speaker 8: I know the middle of the year there was, But

1224
01:04:54,747 --> 01:04:58,227
Speaker 8: then when the injury came, and you know that the

1225
01:04:58,267 --> 01:05:01,387
Speaker 8: pressure that he was under, the pressure he puts on

1226
01:05:01,467 --> 01:05:07,347
Speaker 8: himself to perform week and week out, Yeah, it was there.

1227
01:05:07,387 --> 01:05:10,107
Speaker 8: But but then his body told him it was enough.

1228
01:05:10,147 --> 01:05:12,827
Speaker 8: And you know, the last couple of weeks. He he

1229
01:05:12,907 --> 01:05:16,467
Speaker 8: just enjoyed himself and that Sharks gave me just he

1230
01:05:16,547 --> 01:05:18,507
Speaker 8: just said, give me the ball, you know, my last

1231
01:05:18,587 --> 01:05:20,987
Speaker 8: roll of the dice here, and you know we saw

1232
01:05:21,027 --> 01:05:21,507
Speaker 8: what he could do.

1233
01:05:21,627 --> 01:05:23,787
Speaker 3: Listen, he says, can you try and convince Sean Johnson

1234
01:05:23,827 --> 01:05:24,307
Speaker 3: to come back?

1235
01:05:25,107 --> 01:05:28,147
Speaker 8: I have spoken to short I said, if we get

1236
01:05:28,147 --> 01:05:33,147
Speaker 8: any more injuries, would you consider Say, look, I haven't

1237
01:05:33,227 --> 01:05:36,427
Speaker 8: ruled it out. He hasn't ruled it out, but look

1238
01:05:36,947 --> 01:05:38,707
Speaker 8: it's a bit of a long shot. I know where

1239
01:05:38,747 --> 01:05:42,627
Speaker 8: Sean is at, and look, I'm not gonna put a

1240
01:05:42,707 --> 01:05:44,827
Speaker 8: huge amount of pressure on him. But I've just told

1241
01:05:44,827 --> 01:05:48,227
Speaker 8: Sean that I know where you're at, and I know

1242
01:05:48,227 --> 01:05:52,027
Speaker 8: where you sit in my mind. Say, nothing will surprise you.

1243
01:05:52,027 --> 01:05:53,507
Speaker 3: You're talking about from a key's point.

1244
01:05:53,347 --> 01:05:55,827
Speaker 8: Of view here, Well, yeah, I just I mentioned it

1245
01:05:55,867 --> 01:05:59,827
Speaker 8: to Sean, but he he you know, when he decided

1246
01:05:59,827 --> 01:06:01,427
Speaker 8: he was going to retire. He decided he was going

1247
01:06:01,427 --> 01:06:04,267
Speaker 8: to retire. But jeez, if I get any more.

1248
01:06:04,107 --> 01:06:10,467
Speaker 3: Injuries, if Jerome Hughes goes down, you might need him.

1249
01:06:10,547 --> 01:06:13,867
Speaker 3: Just in terms of uh, I'm interested, and I think

1250
01:06:13,987 --> 01:06:16,627
Speaker 3: our audiences are interested in Sean. Inside the team environment,

1251
01:06:16,627 --> 01:06:18,987
Speaker 3: we see the public face he does media, he does

1252
01:06:19,027 --> 01:06:22,747
Speaker 3: post match that sort of thing. How integral is he

1253
01:06:22,827 --> 01:06:25,707
Speaker 3: inside or has he been inside the Warrior's team environment?

1254
01:06:25,747 --> 01:06:29,827
Speaker 8: Shawn Johnson Massive. You know, you look at Sean like

1255
01:06:31,187 --> 01:06:33,987
Speaker 8: there's a lot of kids playing the game because of Sean,

1256
01:06:34,867 --> 01:06:40,507
Speaker 8: and he's right up there with you know, as far

1257
01:06:40,587 --> 01:06:43,787
Speaker 8: as demand, you know he gets you know, whenever we

1258
01:06:43,827 --> 01:06:47,787
Speaker 8: go to Australia, everyone knows Sean and you know he's

1259
01:06:47,827 --> 01:06:53,627
Speaker 8: a very respectful person. You know, he knows what comes

1260
01:06:53,627 --> 01:06:56,227
Speaker 8: with the territory as far as what he has to do.

1261
01:06:57,627 --> 01:07:01,507
Speaker 8: There's commitments off the field, he has a lot of them.

1262
01:07:01,787 --> 01:07:04,107
Speaker 8: But the way he presents himself, you know, Sean is

1263
01:07:04,267 --> 01:07:07,987
Speaker 8: you know, he's an unbelievable speaker, the way he communicates

1264
01:07:08,027 --> 01:07:10,947
Speaker 8: to the group. So he's a he's a huge part

1265
01:07:10,947 --> 01:07:12,467
Speaker 8: of the club and you know he'll be a huge

1266
01:07:12,507 --> 01:07:15,787
Speaker 8: part of the club, you know, even though he's retired.

1267
01:07:16,107 --> 01:07:18,387
Speaker 3: So did you think he'll stay connected to the game.

1268
01:07:19,347 --> 01:07:22,227
Speaker 8: I think he will. But I know with Sean, he

1269
01:07:22,387 --> 01:07:26,027
Speaker 8: likes challenges in life. He likes to do lots of things.

1270
01:07:26,107 --> 01:07:28,547
Speaker 8: So it'll tell you he'll just over the next few weeks.

1271
01:07:29,307 --> 01:07:30,867
Speaker 8: When I last spoke to him, that He's going to

1272
01:07:31,347 --> 01:07:34,347
Speaker 8: just nut out a few things and I'm sure that

1273
01:07:34,707 --> 01:07:36,027
Speaker 8: he'll still be a part of the Warriors.

1274
01:07:37,187 --> 01:07:38,907
Speaker 3: I spoke to him a couple of years ago and

1275
01:07:39,707 --> 01:07:42,627
Speaker 3: he was, you're right, he speaks so well. And I

1276
01:07:42,627 --> 01:07:46,307
Speaker 3: asked him about how he handled the fact that when

1277
01:07:46,307 --> 01:07:48,587
Speaker 3: the Warriors lose at Sean Johnson's fault, you know, in

1278
01:07:48,627 --> 01:07:50,707
Speaker 3: the eyes of a lot of people, did you see

1279
01:07:50,787 --> 01:07:53,827
Speaker 3: him struggle with those challenges internally?

1280
01:07:55,107 --> 01:07:58,907
Speaker 8: The biggest the biggest thing I saw with Sean was

1281
01:07:58,947 --> 01:08:02,627
Speaker 8: when we were based in Recliffe, when he know, when

1282
01:08:02,667 --> 01:08:04,467
Speaker 8: he came back to the club after his stint with

1283
01:08:04,507 --> 01:08:09,187
Speaker 8: Grenala and and the hardest thing there for Sean was

1284
01:08:09,187 --> 01:08:11,707
Speaker 8: was he was away from his family. Like he really

1285
01:08:11,747 --> 01:08:13,347
Speaker 8: wanted to keep playing the game. He wanted to get

1286
01:08:13,387 --> 01:08:16,947
Speaker 8: back to Auckland, be around his his family, his friends.

1287
01:08:16,987 --> 01:08:20,067
Speaker 8: What Sean is really close to his to his family

1288
01:08:21,307 --> 01:08:23,347
Speaker 8: and his friends too. I know he's got a tight

1289
01:08:23,467 --> 01:08:27,307
Speaker 8: knit group there. And I saw struggles there. I saw

1290
01:08:27,347 --> 01:08:29,827
Speaker 8: struggles when we were in Redcliffe and he wore that

1291
01:08:29,867 --> 01:08:33,707
Speaker 8: really hard. And even then, you know, you know he

1292
01:08:33,827 --> 01:08:38,347
Speaker 8: was probably thinking about you know, finishing up, but he

1293
01:08:38,387 --> 01:08:41,547
Speaker 8: wanted to get home. He wanted to get home. And

1294
01:08:41,547 --> 01:08:45,707
Speaker 8: Andrew Webster was a huge part of where Sean got

1295
01:08:45,707 --> 01:08:49,627
Speaker 8: to last year. Andrew webs and also Rich Aeger, who

1296
01:08:50,067 --> 01:08:53,907
Speaker 8: who's our edge coach. You he made Sean look at

1297
01:08:53,947 --> 01:08:56,707
Speaker 8: the game a little bit differently too, and they took

1298
01:08:56,747 --> 01:08:58,307
Speaker 8: him to another level.

1299
01:08:59,227 --> 01:09:01,387
Speaker 3: Eric and tomtow Martin gets first crack at the seven

1300
01:09:01,467 --> 01:09:02,187
Speaker 3: jumping next year.

1301
01:09:03,107 --> 01:09:06,987
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's a good question. Unfortunately to Mighty, he's

1302
01:09:07,067 --> 01:09:09,747
Speaker 8: unavailable too for the key We's he's injured. He had

1303
01:09:09,747 --> 01:09:13,427
Speaker 8: a he had neck surgery, so he's very tough. One

1304
01:09:13,467 --> 01:09:16,667
Speaker 8: thing about tomorrow. We a lot of people don't understand

1305
01:09:17,667 --> 01:09:20,187
Speaker 8: what he went through this year. He heard his neck

1306
01:09:20,867 --> 01:09:24,107
Speaker 8: and he was just so sore every time he went

1307
01:09:24,107 --> 01:09:28,387
Speaker 8: into a tackle or made a tackle. Unfortunately. Yeah, it

1308
01:09:28,427 --> 01:09:30,147
Speaker 8: was tough on him and he had to get surgery.

1309
01:09:30,627 --> 01:09:32,547
Speaker 8: I think with about a month ago. It was just

1310
01:09:32,947 --> 01:09:34,627
Speaker 8: time was up for him and he got it done.

1311
01:09:34,747 --> 01:09:37,427
Speaker 8: So yeah, he's going to come back a better player

1312
01:09:37,467 --> 01:09:39,547
Speaker 8: next year. He got some really good experience when Shorn

1313
01:09:39,667 --> 01:09:43,387
Speaker 8: was out, handled the team really well. So yeah, it's

1314
01:09:43,387 --> 01:09:45,787
Speaker 8: going to be interesting. You got you got to Mighty.

1315
01:09:46,467 --> 01:09:53,067
Speaker 8: You got Chanelle Harris Devita and and Luke Metcalfe. You know. So, yeah,

1316
01:09:53,107 --> 01:09:56,467
Speaker 8: there's a couple of a few good choices there.

1317
01:09:56,467 --> 01:09:58,427
Speaker 3: You normally carry would you normally carry four halves? Would

1318
01:09:58,427 --> 01:09:59,067
Speaker 3: you want another one?

1319
01:09:59,187 --> 01:10:05,347
Speaker 8: Generally you'd carry four. So we've got Jet Clary, Nathan

1320
01:10:05,387 --> 01:10:08,587
Speaker 8: Cleary's brother coming to the club. So he's only young,

1321
01:10:09,187 --> 01:10:12,107
Speaker 8: but he will you know, he'll train first grade. And yeah,

1322
01:10:12,267 --> 01:10:14,347
Speaker 8: he's anything like his brother. Exciting.

1323
01:10:14,427 --> 01:10:16,027
Speaker 3: He was good last night, wasn't he, Nathan there? Yeah,

1324
01:10:16,027 --> 01:10:17,627
Speaker 3: it's annoying, isn't it. He comes back from injury and

1325
01:10:17,627 --> 01:10:18,187
Speaker 3: plays like that.

1326
01:10:18,387 --> 01:10:19,187
Speaker 8: He's world classed.

1327
01:10:19,347 --> 01:10:21,787
Speaker 3: Absolutely. All right, let's go back to the lines. Jordan,

1328
01:10:21,827 --> 01:10:22,867
Speaker 3: you've got a question for Stace.

1329
01:10:23,867 --> 01:10:27,827
Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, Piney Culta Stacey God to Jordan, Yeah, nice

1330
01:10:27,827 --> 01:10:31,147
Speaker 6: to meet mate. I'm just going through last season's results

1331
01:10:31,627 --> 01:10:35,267
Speaker 6: and looking through them as a package. The biggest thing

1332
01:10:35,307 --> 01:10:37,907
Speaker 6: that stood out to me as a massive fand was

1333
01:10:37,987 --> 01:10:40,867
Speaker 6: just how many games we lost in that mid thirty

1334
01:10:40,947 --> 01:10:45,267
Speaker 6: to forty point range. And also, you know, on the

1335
01:10:45,307 --> 01:10:47,387
Speaker 6: other end, we're not getting to thirty points. And I

1336
01:10:47,387 --> 01:10:50,187
Speaker 6: think it's in the NRL. If you're conceding thirty to

1337
01:10:50,267 --> 01:10:52,707
Speaker 6: forty points, very difficult, a Stace.

1338
01:10:52,787 --> 01:10:57,427
Speaker 8: Oh, very difficult. I think the benchmark is like eighteen points.

1339
01:10:57,587 --> 01:10:59,387
Speaker 8: You know, if you can see more than eighteen points,

1340
01:10:59,427 --> 01:11:00,867
Speaker 8: then you know you're going to be in for a

1341
01:11:00,867 --> 01:11:05,867
Speaker 8: tough day. And yeah, we conceded way too many. I

1342
01:11:05,987 --> 01:11:10,827
Speaker 8: just I felt we just from the previous year, we

1343
01:11:10,827 --> 01:11:15,547
Speaker 8: were more resilient on our twilight. There's a stat, okay,

1344
01:11:16,107 --> 01:11:21,027
Speaker 8: and we were second last year as far as it

1345
01:11:21,107 --> 01:11:23,667
Speaker 8: was tackles, So it took teams twenty one tackles on

1346
01:11:23,707 --> 01:11:27,787
Speaker 8: average if they got inside our twenty meters zone where

1347
01:11:27,827 --> 01:11:30,587
Speaker 8: they're attacking our trial, and took them average twenty one

1348
01:11:30,627 --> 01:11:34,907
Speaker 8: tackles to break us. This year it was nine, you know,

1349
01:11:34,987 --> 01:11:38,867
Speaker 8: So we went from second best to second last. And

1350
01:11:38,907 --> 01:11:42,547
Speaker 8: that just showed we just the resilience. You know, we

1351
01:11:42,627 --> 01:11:44,187
Speaker 8: just faulted too easily.

1352
01:11:44,707 --> 01:11:46,667
Speaker 3: Thanks for your Carl, Jordan. Just before we take a break.

1353
01:11:47,427 --> 01:11:50,147
Speaker 3: A lot of people have asked about crowds. They just

1354
01:11:50,227 --> 01:11:52,947
Speaker 3: kept on turning up, didn't they at at go medium

1355
01:11:52,947 --> 01:11:55,747
Speaker 3: out Smart Stadium week after week after week. In fact,

1356
01:11:55,747 --> 01:11:58,667
Speaker 3: the entire season was sold out. Why do you think

1357
01:11:58,707 --> 01:12:01,867
Speaker 3: the Warriors have established such a strong connection with their fans.

1358
01:12:02,227 --> 01:12:07,227
Speaker 8: Oh, there's lots of reasons. Obviously, what the club does

1359
01:12:07,387 --> 01:12:10,147
Speaker 8: the way that they promote the club. And look, I'm

1360
01:12:10,187 --> 01:12:13,467
Speaker 8: not a person that uses social media, but you know,

1361
01:12:13,467 --> 01:12:15,947
Speaker 8: we have a really good social media team. We have

1362
01:12:15,947 --> 01:12:18,747
Speaker 8: a good game day team, and the experience of coming

1363
01:12:18,747 --> 01:12:19,507
Speaker 8: along to the game.

1364
01:12:19,907 --> 01:12:20,107
Speaker 5: You know.

1365
01:12:20,227 --> 01:12:25,307
Speaker 8: Obviously performance helps helps that too, you know. And you know,

1366
01:12:25,347 --> 01:12:27,267
Speaker 8: we had some really good games this year too that

1367
01:12:27,547 --> 01:12:29,907
Speaker 8: you know, the boys played really well at home and

1368
01:12:30,147 --> 01:12:33,587
Speaker 8: obviously some disappointing ones. So it's just the whole package,

1369
01:12:33,747 --> 01:12:36,627
Speaker 8: you know, the whole package that the club delivers, the

1370
01:12:36,667 --> 01:12:40,707
Speaker 8: game day day experience, you know, and you see all

1371
01:12:40,747 --> 01:12:42,627
Speaker 8: different types of people come to our games, you know,

1372
01:12:43,947 --> 01:12:50,987
Speaker 8: young kids, you know, teenagers, boys day out, grandparandparents, Yeah, grandparents.

1373
01:12:51,027 --> 01:12:53,907
Speaker 8: It's just a really neat family, family day experience.

1374
01:12:54,387 --> 01:12:56,587
Speaker 3: It's the best show in town, that's for sure. Stacy

1375
01:12:56,667 --> 01:12:59,107
Speaker 3: Jones is our guest until two o'clock. It's nineteen to two.

1376
01:12:59,147 --> 01:13:00,187
Speaker 3: We're back with more after this.

1377
01:13:01,387 --> 01:13:05,667
Speaker 2: God your question to the coach. Kiwi's head coach, Stacy.

1378
01:13:05,347 --> 01:13:09,027
Speaker 1: Jones, taking your calls on eight hundred eighty eighty Weekend

1379
01:13:09,107 --> 01:13:13,587
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vine and GJ. Garnos, New Zealand's most

1380
01:13:13,627 --> 01:13:17,107
Speaker 1: trusted home builder News Talks.

1381
01:13:16,107 --> 01:13:18,507
Speaker 3: Sixteen to two four boarder calls for Stacy Jones are

1382
01:13:18,547 --> 01:13:20,627
Speaker 3: not surprisingly. Let's try and get a few more out, Dave.

1383
01:13:20,707 --> 01:13:25,347
Speaker 3: Your question for Stacy, how.

1384
01:13:25,267 --> 01:13:29,147
Speaker 9: Hard was it for you to lose Michael McGuire after

1385
01:13:29,187 --> 01:13:33,747
Speaker 9: that amazing thirty nil grabbing of Australia.

1386
01:13:35,107 --> 01:13:39,467
Speaker 8: Yeah, Dave, Yeah, very tough. Obviously, you know what he

1387
01:13:39,507 --> 01:13:43,107
Speaker 8: brought to the to the team, his passion around what

1388
01:13:43,147 --> 01:13:47,227
Speaker 8: he does, and I'm certainly grateful for what he done

1389
01:13:47,227 --> 01:13:50,427
Speaker 8: for me as far as helping me, letting me be

1390
01:13:50,507 --> 01:13:53,507
Speaker 8: involved as an assistant for the key was under his

1391
01:13:53,587 --> 01:13:57,787
Speaker 8: whole time. And yeah, very very difficult to lose a

1392
01:13:57,867 --> 01:13:59,787
Speaker 8: coach when you when you come off something like that.

1393
01:14:00,587 --> 01:14:02,387
Speaker 8: I know because I was, you know, when we lost

1394
01:14:02,387 --> 01:14:05,307
Speaker 8: the World Cup or lost the semi finals to Australia,

1395
01:14:06,147 --> 01:14:08,627
Speaker 8: and straight away he was thinking how are we going

1396
01:14:08,707 --> 01:14:10,387
Speaker 8: to get back? How are we going to keep doing this?

1397
01:14:10,627 --> 01:14:13,667
Speaker 8: You know, So the passion and that that he bought

1398
01:14:13,867 --> 01:14:15,947
Speaker 8: is was second to none and something that I learned

1399
01:14:15,987 --> 01:14:16,467
Speaker 8: a lot from.

1400
01:14:16,587 --> 01:14:19,627
Speaker 3: Appreciate the question, Dave, Thanks indeed lyle question from you.

1401
01:14:21,267 --> 01:14:25,707
Speaker 18: Yeah, obviously there's no such thing as a week Kangaroos side. Well,

1402
01:14:25,827 --> 01:14:28,547
Speaker 18: last year's final might have been, but different not. Kiwis

1403
01:14:28,587 --> 01:14:31,267
Speaker 18: were just so good, but we're about on the field.

1404
01:14:31,987 --> 01:14:36,027
Speaker 18: Do you think you're probably have an advantage over them?

1405
01:14:36,107 --> 01:14:37,387
Speaker 8: Yeah, hey lol, thanks for the question.

1406
01:14:39,227 --> 01:14:39,427
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1407
01:14:39,467 --> 01:14:44,027
Speaker 8: Look, the strength of Kiwi rugby league has always been

1408
01:14:44,107 --> 01:14:47,147
Speaker 8: physical and that's part of the game that that we

1409
01:14:47,187 --> 01:14:50,867
Speaker 8: need to hold on to. I feel that we're we're

1410
01:14:50,947 --> 01:14:55,987
Speaker 8: more physical team than the Australians at this moment, like

1411
01:14:56,187 --> 01:15:00,027
Speaker 8: the middle forward pact that we have. You know, you're

1412
01:15:00,027 --> 01:15:02,027
Speaker 8: looking at them playing in the n RL, they dominate,

1413
01:15:02,507 --> 01:15:04,467
Speaker 8: you know, they dominate for their for their club. So

1414
01:15:05,627 --> 01:15:07,307
Speaker 8: I feel that they're there's an edge there that we've

1415
01:15:07,307 --> 01:15:09,467
Speaker 8: got to be physical and we've got to take it

1416
01:15:09,507 --> 01:15:14,507
Speaker 8: to them. I know that Tongue physical as well. So

1417
01:15:14,627 --> 01:15:17,787
Speaker 8: this this competition, this one is going to be really tough.

1418
01:15:18,267 --> 01:15:19,947
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of big test matches, Larle, thanks for

1419
01:15:19,987 --> 01:15:23,387
Speaker 3: your question. Key's Australia Christ here Sunday, October twenty seven,

1420
01:15:23,587 --> 01:15:26,307
Speaker 3: hearing that is close to being sold out Key's Tongue

1421
01:15:26,307 --> 01:15:28,707
Speaker 3: of Mount Smart Saturday November two, and then the final

1422
01:15:28,867 --> 01:15:32,227
Speaker 3: featuring two of the three sides in Sydney Sunday, November

1423
01:15:32,547 --> 01:15:35,587
Speaker 3: the tenth. Donald, You're up, what's your question for Stacy.

1424
01:15:36,187 --> 01:15:38,747
Speaker 17: Yes, Stacey, good to talk to your mate.

1425
01:15:39,307 --> 01:15:39,667
Speaker 8: Donald.

1426
01:15:39,707 --> 01:15:41,587
Speaker 9: Do you think there's enough room in New Zealand for

1427
01:15:41,627 --> 01:15:44,067
Speaker 9: two clubs North and the South Island club?

1428
01:15:45,187 --> 01:15:48,707
Speaker 8: Yeah, good question. And it's been been around, pushed around

1429
01:15:48,747 --> 01:15:51,907
Speaker 8: for the last few years and look, it's going to

1430
01:15:51,947 --> 01:15:56,067
Speaker 8: take a big investment and I feel like, you know,

1431
01:15:56,107 --> 01:15:59,667
Speaker 8: the NRAL got to get right behind it. I think

1432
01:15:59,707 --> 01:16:03,987
Speaker 8: there is room right now, Probably not, but you know

1433
01:16:04,027 --> 01:16:08,307
Speaker 8: in year's time if they're looking at expansion, yeah, I

1434
01:16:08,307 --> 01:16:10,107
Speaker 8: can't see why not, but there's got to be a

1435
01:16:10,187 --> 01:16:14,587
Speaker 8: huge investment from from somewhere in. The NRL got to

1436
01:16:14,587 --> 01:16:18,307
Speaker 8: get right behind it and push it. So, you know,

1437
01:16:18,387 --> 01:16:21,627
Speaker 8: we rugby union is a big code in this country

1438
01:16:21,667 --> 01:16:24,147
Speaker 8: and you know it'll certainly make in roads into that.

1439
01:16:24,467 --> 01:16:27,387
Speaker 8: You know that the player opportunities that will come with

1440
01:16:27,427 --> 01:16:28,747
Speaker 8: it will be will be huge.

1441
01:16:28,867 --> 01:16:31,547
Speaker 3: Yeah, NRL derby as well. Thanks Donald, appreciate it. And

1442
01:16:31,747 --> 01:16:34,227
Speaker 3: this could be bung or bunge depending on how you

1443
01:16:34,227 --> 01:16:34,627
Speaker 3: pronounce it.

1444
01:16:34,667 --> 01:16:37,627
Speaker 19: How are you, mate, Yeah, I'm good, mate, House, thanks

1445
01:16:37,747 --> 01:16:38,027
Speaker 19: very good.

1446
01:16:38,027 --> 01:16:39,347
Speaker 3: You've got a question for Stacy Jones.

1447
01:16:40,307 --> 01:16:43,667
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, I've got a question Stacey. It's thantually around

1448
01:16:44,547 --> 01:16:48,427
Speaker 19: pre season training and what the difference was I was

1449
01:16:48,507 --> 01:16:51,867
Speaker 19: heavily involved in two thousand and five with your preseason

1450
01:16:51,907 --> 01:17:02,467
Speaker 19: training in if you remember that one, I do remember, yeah.

1451
01:16:59,547 --> 01:17:00,587
Speaker 8: Yeah, I remember you.

1452
01:17:00,667 --> 01:17:00,867
Speaker 5: Well.

1453
01:17:01,467 --> 01:17:07,707
Speaker 19: Yeah, the physicality of the pack is up there with

1454
01:17:07,747 --> 01:17:11,267
Speaker 19: everybody or with anybody, and from year and year out

1455
01:17:11,307 --> 01:17:14,787
Speaker 19: for the last few years, but we were done a

1456
01:17:14,787 --> 01:17:20,787
Speaker 19: lot of leadership, resilience and performing under adversity while you're

1457
01:17:20,907 --> 01:17:25,787
Speaker 19: extremely fatigued. Was that something that was that was drilled

1458
01:17:25,787 --> 01:17:30,067
Speaker 19: into the boys pre season this year as much as

1459
01:17:30,147 --> 01:17:34,067
Speaker 19: say last year or the year before, where the determination

1460
01:17:34,187 --> 01:17:37,227
Speaker 19: and the fortitude under pressure seemed to be so much better.

1461
01:17:37,507 --> 01:17:42,427
Speaker 8: Yeah, very good question. Pre seasons, we get it.

1462
01:17:42,627 --> 01:17:42,947
Speaker 2: Uh.

1463
01:17:43,067 --> 01:17:45,387
Speaker 8: You know, a lot of teams do do Army camp

1464
01:17:45,587 --> 01:17:49,267
Speaker 8: style trainings, and they don't do it every year. It's

1465
01:17:49,347 --> 01:17:52,227
Speaker 8: probably one every five years. Teams teams would do it.

1466
01:17:52,907 --> 01:17:56,107
Speaker 8: And we looked at that and again I think I said,

1467
01:17:56,147 --> 01:17:58,587
Speaker 8: how you know, we weren't resilient enough on the trial line,

1468
01:17:58,627 --> 01:18:02,547
Speaker 8: and that's that's mental as well. We've got to put

1469
01:18:02,587 --> 01:18:05,307
Speaker 8: ourselves in these situations. And part of our review was

1470
01:18:05,347 --> 01:18:08,427
Speaker 8: looking at we've got to do more game stuff where

1471
01:18:08,427 --> 01:18:11,787
Speaker 8: we put players under pressure but also try to perform

1472
01:18:12,067 --> 01:18:15,387
Speaker 8: with the skill as well, so we felt we didn't

1473
01:18:15,387 --> 01:18:18,347
Speaker 8: do enough of that. We didn't put the players into

1474
01:18:18,547 --> 01:18:21,907
Speaker 8: in pressure situations enough at training for them to take

1475
01:18:21,947 --> 01:18:23,627
Speaker 8: it on the field. And there were reasons why we

1476
01:18:23,627 --> 01:18:26,347
Speaker 8: didn't do it. Wasn't like we we didn't want to

1477
01:18:26,387 --> 01:18:28,907
Speaker 8: do it. It was just trying to find the right time

1478
01:18:28,947 --> 01:18:32,027
Speaker 8: and space to do it. But it's certainly right at

1479
01:18:32,067 --> 01:18:34,787
Speaker 8: the front of our mind heading too this preseason and.

1480
01:18:34,707 --> 01:18:36,187
Speaker 3: One before we go to the break on text, who

1481
01:18:36,227 --> 01:18:38,427
Speaker 3: was your idol growing up? I?

1482
01:18:39,107 --> 01:18:41,347
Speaker 8: Look, I didn't have one idol, but you know what

1483
01:18:41,387 --> 01:18:44,827
Speaker 8: I really loved. My idol was the nineteen eighty five

1484
01:18:44,947 --> 01:18:48,987
Speaker 8: Kiwi tea. I remember going to Carlo Park and watching

1485
01:18:49,027 --> 01:18:51,907
Speaker 8: them beat Australia and you know it was Clayton's friend

1486
01:18:52,027 --> 01:18:56,787
Speaker 8: and Mark Graham, Humaghan Olson, James Lulaway. What a team, Kemball,

1487
01:18:56,907 --> 01:18:59,787
Speaker 8: what a Gary Prime. You know they were my That

1488
01:19:00,067 --> 01:19:04,387
Speaker 8: That was my idol, that that that era of team.

1489
01:19:04,947 --> 01:19:07,147
Speaker 3: Tend to two back to mop up. The final few

1490
01:19:07,227 --> 01:19:08,827
Speaker 3: questions with Stacy Jones when we come.

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01:19:08,747 --> 01:19:13,987
Speaker 1: Back Kiwi's head coach Stacey Jones taking your calls on

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01:19:14,267 --> 01:19:18,107
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason.

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01:19:17,827 --> 01:19:18,827
Speaker 2: Vine and GJ.

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01:19:18,947 --> 01:19:22,427
Speaker 1: Garnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder News.

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01:19:22,227 --> 01:19:25,467
Speaker 3: Talks seven to two. Cameron, you got the last question

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01:19:25,547 --> 01:19:26,387
Speaker 3: for Stacy Jones.

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01:19:27,147 --> 01:19:29,907
Speaker 11: Yes, thanks guys. Hey, look Stacey, when I look at

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01:19:29,907 --> 01:19:33,267
Speaker 11: the Kiwis team, I see our has we have probably

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01:19:33,267 --> 01:19:36,987
Speaker 11: the strongest running halves in the competition. I mean, I

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01:19:36,987 --> 01:19:41,707
Speaker 11: think Mandy Johns called Jerome Hues the strongest either. And

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01:19:41,987 --> 01:19:44,227
Speaker 11: I'm just wondering, like when you we sort of seem

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01:19:44,267 --> 01:19:46,507
Speaker 11: to lack of like a little general gets a players

1503
01:19:46,507 --> 01:19:49,987
Speaker 11: like in your mold, when you get into those Kiwis environments,

1504
01:19:50,027 --> 01:19:53,267
Speaker 11: how much time do you get to coach them? And

1505
01:19:53,387 --> 01:19:56,307
Speaker 11: how much time is all man management because of the

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01:19:56,347 --> 01:19:58,707
Speaker 11: short time frame you get within those players.

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01:19:59,067 --> 01:20:01,707
Speaker 8: Yeah, Caerin, good question. Yeah, you don't get a lot

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01:20:01,747 --> 01:20:05,027
Speaker 8: of time. And the beauty of having experienced halves like

1509
01:20:05,107 --> 01:20:07,907
Speaker 8: Jerome and the team and a good leadership group sort

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01:20:07,907 --> 01:20:11,627
Speaker 8: of helps you with that. So Jerome's a very strong

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01:20:11,667 --> 01:20:14,267
Speaker 8: run over the footy. His game's gone to another level.

1512
01:20:14,707 --> 01:20:19,587
Speaker 8: His kicking game is certainly exceptional. So you're very lucky

1513
01:20:19,627 --> 01:20:21,947
Speaker 8: to have someone like Jerome and the team because you

1514
01:20:22,027 --> 01:20:24,187
Speaker 8: know a lot of it has play lead to, you know,

1515
01:20:24,267 --> 01:20:26,827
Speaker 8: and you've got to let them express themselves.

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01:20:27,787 --> 01:20:29,667
Speaker 3: Thanks for your call, Cameron, Thanks for your question. Thanks

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01:20:29,667 --> 01:20:31,307
Speaker 3: for all your questions. I'm sorry we couldn't get to

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01:20:31,307 --> 01:20:32,547
Speaker 3: all of them. Just a couple of quick fire for

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01:20:32,667 --> 01:20:34,907
Speaker 3: me to finish. How does Stacy Jones relax?

1520
01:20:37,747 --> 01:20:41,427
Speaker 8: I don't mind a punt and a bear. I've got

1521
01:20:41,427 --> 01:20:44,707
Speaker 8: a horse racing today and are part ownership of a horse,

1522
01:20:44,747 --> 01:20:50,987
Speaker 8: so Quintessa Race seven in Flemington. So yeah, I enjoy that,

1523
01:20:51,707 --> 01:20:54,707
Speaker 8: you know, good mates with other people in the club,

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01:20:54,747 --> 01:20:57,467
Speaker 8: like Cameron. George's part of that too, So we'll go

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01:20:57,507 --> 01:21:00,667
Speaker 8: away and have a quiet bear and a punt. I

1526
01:21:00,707 --> 01:21:03,027
Speaker 8: love that. I'm just in my family too, you know.

1527
01:21:03,147 --> 01:21:07,747
Speaker 8: So I love spending time with my family around stuff. Yeah,

1528
01:21:07,747 --> 01:21:09,827
Speaker 8: when it's footy that you don't have much time for

1529
01:21:10,547 --> 01:21:10,947
Speaker 8: much else.

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01:21:11,027 --> 01:21:11,187
Speaker 5: You know.

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01:21:11,307 --> 01:21:14,307
Speaker 8: My parents live up in the Far North. My dad's

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01:21:14,347 --> 01:21:16,547
Speaker 8: a farmer, so I love getting up there and getting

1533
01:21:16,547 --> 01:21:18,507
Speaker 8: on the farm and helping out wherever I can, so

1534
01:21:18,987 --> 01:21:21,347
Speaker 8: get my hands dirty and stuff like that. So it's

1535
01:21:21,347 --> 01:21:21,867
Speaker 8: pretty cool.

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01:21:21,947 --> 01:21:25,667
Speaker 3: And can you walk around freely without being pisted you

1537
01:21:25,667 --> 01:21:28,467
Speaker 3: know by fans wanting to talk rugby legal or get

1538
01:21:28,467 --> 01:21:28,907
Speaker 3: a selfie?

1539
01:21:28,987 --> 01:21:32,667
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, it's pretty good. I'm left alone. Really, yeah,

1540
01:21:32,667 --> 01:21:33,347
Speaker 8: it's pretty cool.

1541
01:21:33,587 --> 01:21:35,227
Speaker 3: I would have thought that you'd be you'd be mobbed

1542
01:21:35,227 --> 01:21:37,547
Speaker 3: at shopping walls and things like that. Right, final couple,

1543
01:21:38,267 --> 01:21:40,307
Speaker 3: If there was a one hundred meters sprint with the

1544
01:21:40,347 --> 01:21:43,307
Speaker 3: current Warriors squad, who would win that one.

1545
01:21:43,307 --> 01:21:49,827
Speaker 8: Hundred meters sprint? I would say Luke metcalfe, metcalfe. Interesting,

1546
01:21:49,947 --> 01:21:50,587
Speaker 8: Luke mccalfe.

1547
01:21:50,587 --> 01:21:53,787
Speaker 3: I one of the outside of that name is zip. Okay,

1548
01:21:53,787 --> 01:21:54,987
Speaker 3: what about a three k run?

1549
01:21:55,147 --> 01:21:56,787
Speaker 8: A three k run Freddy Lassic?

1550
01:21:57,187 --> 01:21:59,587
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually I wrote down Freddy Lustic. I thought he

1551
01:21:59,667 --> 01:22:01,587
Speaker 3: might be quite a quite a demon on the three

1552
01:22:01,667 --> 01:22:03,987
Speaker 3: k run? All right? And what about a bench press?

1553
01:22:05,027 --> 01:22:08,307
Speaker 8: Bench press bunty four?

1554
01:22:08,867 --> 01:22:12,667
Speaker 3: All right? And finally, if everyone you ever played with

1555
01:22:13,267 --> 01:22:16,467
Speaker 3: wasn't a last man standing first fight, who would be

1556
01:22:16,507 --> 01:22:20,347
Speaker 3: the last man standing that I'd want? No, No, everyone

1557
01:22:20,387 --> 01:22:22,467
Speaker 3: you've ever played with, everybody you're in it as well.

1558
01:22:22,947 --> 01:22:25,107
Speaker 3: Who'd be the last man standing in an all in

1559
01:22:25,187 --> 01:22:27,707
Speaker 3: fist fight involving every player you've ever played?

1560
01:22:27,747 --> 01:22:31,267
Speaker 8: Well, geez, you got Monty Betham, go, well, you go well,

1561
01:22:31,467 --> 01:22:33,627
Speaker 8: Arwen Good and Bill Kevin Campion. I don't know if

1562
01:22:33,827 --> 01:22:37,267
Speaker 8: I'm out of those three, I don't know who all right,

1563
01:22:37,587 --> 01:22:39,947
Speaker 8: not you though not me, certainly not me. I'll be

1564
01:22:39,947 --> 01:22:41,507
Speaker 8: behind arwur brilliant stuff.

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01:22:41,507 --> 01:22:43,427
Speaker 3: Stace. It's been a great pleasure to have you in studio.

1566
01:22:43,467 --> 01:22:45,587
Speaker 3: Thanks for being so generous with your time. Our listeners

1567
01:22:45,587 --> 01:22:47,147
Speaker 3: have loved it, so I really appreciate you.

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01:22:47,107 --> 01:22:49,187
Speaker 8: Popping it my pleasure. Thank you, Jason, Thanks for having me.

1569
01:22:49,267 --> 01:22:51,747
Speaker 3: Stacy Jones our guest here on News Talks there Be

1570
01:22:51,827 --> 01:22:54,307
Speaker 3: and Weekend Sport. Gotta get him back sometime soon. News

1571
01:22:54,387 --> 01:22:57,147
Speaker 3: next to too.

1572
01:22:56,747 --> 01:23:01,027
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1573
01:23:01,707 --> 01:23:07,507
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations on Weekend Sporard

1574
01:23:07,587 --> 01:23:11,467
Speaker 1: with Jason him on your home of Sport news Talk.

1575
01:23:11,547 --> 01:23:12,107
Speaker 2: Sa'd been.

1576
01:23:13,747 --> 01:23:16,667
Speaker 3: Turbo seven. Welcome back into Weekend Sport. Thanks for your

1577
01:23:16,667 --> 01:23:20,147
Speaker 3: calls and feedback and messages for Stacy Jones. Great our radio.

1578
01:23:20,187 --> 01:23:24,267
Speaker 3: Whatt a top lug? Just a genuine down to worth kee.

1579
01:23:24,267 --> 01:23:28,187
Speaker 3: We bloke answered your questions honestly authentically. There were a

1580
01:23:28,227 --> 01:23:30,947
Speaker 3: lot more we couldn't get to as well, so we

1581
01:23:31,027 --> 01:23:33,587
Speaker 3: said to Stacey come back sometime, which he promised he

1582
01:23:33,587 --> 01:23:33,947
Speaker 3: would do.

1583
01:23:34,827 --> 01:23:34,907
Speaker 6: So.

1584
01:23:35,027 --> 01:23:37,467
Speaker 3: Thank you to New Zealand Rugby League Media manager, Matt

1585
01:23:37,507 --> 01:23:40,507
Speaker 3: Munaky and Stacy Jones himself for making that happen and

1586
01:23:40,547 --> 01:23:43,947
Speaker 3: thank you for all your your questions, calls and feedback.

1587
01:23:44,147 --> 01:23:46,547
Speaker 3: Morris says, we've got one hundred bucks now on couldn't Tessa.

1588
01:23:47,067 --> 01:23:50,227
Speaker 3: That's Stacy's horse, for the horse that he path owns.

1589
01:23:50,667 --> 01:23:52,587
Speaker 3: So Morris has got one hundred bucks on it. And

1590
01:23:52,867 --> 01:23:55,267
Speaker 3: if it comes home for you and for Stacy and Cameron.

1591
01:23:55,307 --> 01:23:56,827
Speaker 3: Georgia thinks that that's and think it as well? Did

1592
01:23:56,867 --> 01:24:00,627
Speaker 3: Stacy say? Good luck? Morris? This out? Andrew Pragnell shortly

1593
01:24:00,867 --> 01:24:04,667
Speaker 3: New Zealand Football CEO. What has gone on with Yetka

1594
01:24:04,747 --> 01:24:09,027
Speaker 3: klum Kova? She yesterday he stood down as Football Fern's

1595
01:24:09,067 --> 01:24:12,227
Speaker 3: head coach three years into a six year contract. This

1596
01:24:12,347 --> 01:24:15,947
Speaker 3: following a period of uncertainty over the last few months

1597
01:24:16,067 --> 01:24:17,827
Speaker 3: or so where she didn't take charge of the team

1598
01:24:17,867 --> 01:24:21,427
Speaker 3: for matches against Japan, didn't go to the Olympics. We

1599
01:24:21,507 --> 01:24:23,267
Speaker 3: thought she was back in the role, but yesterday it

1600
01:24:23,307 --> 01:24:24,907
Speaker 3: was announced she would be leaving it. So what has

1601
01:24:24,947 --> 01:24:29,267
Speaker 3: gone on here? Andrew Pragnell shortly Brad Walter going to

1602
01:24:29,307 --> 01:24:34,827
Speaker 3: break down weekend one of the NRL Final Series one

1603
01:24:34,867 --> 01:24:37,067
Speaker 3: game of the books three more to come your cause

1604
01:24:37,107 --> 01:24:40,427
Speaker 3: and correspondents continue to be welcomed on eight hundred eighty

1605
01:24:40,587 --> 01:24:43,787
Speaker 3: ten eighty. But as we took over eight pass two,

1606
01:24:43,867 --> 01:24:46,227
Speaker 3: as we always do it around about this time on

1607
01:24:46,427 --> 01:24:48,827
Speaker 3: weekend Sport, it's time to catch you up on a

1608
01:24:48,907 --> 01:24:51,947
Speaker 3: couple of things which perhaps may have escaped your attention.

1609
01:24:52,067 --> 01:24:56,867
Speaker 3: The things that he might have missed Andy McDonald's iconic

1610
01:24:57,427 --> 01:24:59,827
Speaker 3: in Case you missed it feature. Starting in the NFL,

1611
01:25:00,507 --> 01:25:04,027
Speaker 3: the Buffalo Bills running up a big score on the

1612
01:25:04,027 --> 01:25:09,107
Speaker 3: Miami Dolphins yard line.

1613
01:25:09,427 --> 01:25:13,267
Speaker 7: On the ground, franking tackles, Jones Kirk in Shine, the

1614
01:25:13,387 --> 01:25:18,387
Speaker 7: twenty in Shine, the five summer shorts for the touchdown.

1615
01:25:18,627 --> 01:25:22,467
Speaker 3: World Sety won ten, the bells over the Dolphins, Closer

1616
01:25:22,507 --> 01:25:25,867
Speaker 3: to Home, the Breakers going down to the Sydney Kings,

1617
01:25:25,867 --> 01:25:29,987
Speaker 3: and the preseason a NBL blitz and the game filled

1618
01:25:29,987 --> 01:25:33,107
Speaker 3: with controversy. Sidney Kings will dribble this one out. Victor's

1619
01:25:34,067 --> 01:25:35,267
Speaker 3: eleven points at a.

1620
01:25:35,387 --> 01:25:41,547
Speaker 8: Firework field clash, Alex Towey the star of the show,

1621
01:25:42,067 --> 01:25:42,867
Speaker 8: and Derek.

1622
01:25:42,587 --> 01:25:45,707
Speaker 15: He's got a full season ahead, but he's done himself

1623
01:25:45,747 --> 01:25:48,027
Speaker 15: some serious favors in the eyes of those that matter

1624
01:25:48,067 --> 01:25:48,427
Speaker 15: the most.

1625
01:25:48,707 --> 01:25:51,427
Speaker 3: Ninety points to seventy nine, the winning margin to the

1626
01:25:51,467 --> 01:25:55,467
Speaker 3: AFL and the playoffs Port Adelaide holding on to win

1627
01:25:55,507 --> 01:25:56,987
Speaker 3: a thriller against Hawthorne.

1628
01:25:56,987 --> 01:26:04,587
Speaker 2: It's now ground gold and it's hell up. It is

1629
01:26:04,707 --> 01:26:10,787
Speaker 2: held up. Hot line to prime final.

1630
01:26:12,467 --> 01:26:16,267
Speaker 3: Off the Canvass seventy five seventy two, the winning margin

1631
01:26:16,387 --> 01:26:19,187
Speaker 3: to the World Series of Dance and ki we number

1632
01:26:19,227 --> 01:26:22,187
Speaker 3: one Hope by pooh putting up a good fight ultimately

1633
01:26:22,227 --> 01:26:25,307
Speaker 3: though no match for world number one Luke Humphrey SOPs

1634
01:26:25,387 --> 01:26:31,307
Speaker 3: for the match. Yes, that's the difference. The opportunity to

1635
01:26:31,347 --> 01:26:33,747
Speaker 3: get across the winning line takes poo hap.

1636
01:26:34,547 --> 01:26:35,467
Speaker 2: It comes out of.

1637
01:26:35,467 --> 01:26:40,387
Speaker 3: That with some credit and finally to the NPC Canterbury

1638
01:26:40,587 --> 01:26:42,267
Speaker 3: with a win in the Deep South to.

1639
01:26:42,307 --> 01:26:45,227
Speaker 4: Allie bounces off his right foot, gets the offload away

1640
01:26:45,267 --> 01:26:49,067
Speaker 4: to me yucky, me yucky to be hockey Bee hockey.

1641
01:26:48,787 --> 01:26:51,307
Speaker 3: To crappy try.

1642
01:26:52,987 --> 01:26:56,787
Speaker 16: It's been a fun nights at breakby Barking and v

1643
01:26:56,907 --> 01:26:58,747
Speaker 16: Cargo terrific when for.

1644
01:26:58,947 --> 01:27:03,387
Speaker 1: Ren and Black breaking down the hail Mary's and the fails.

1645
01:27:04,987 --> 01:27:08,707
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport with News Talk ZENB.

1646
01:27:08,827 --> 01:27:12,027
Speaker 3: News Talks B and Weekend Sport. Andrew Pragnell, CEO of

1647
01:27:12,027 --> 01:27:14,507
Speaker 3: New Zealand football In just a moment updating you on

1648
01:27:14,547 --> 01:27:18,107
Speaker 3: some live sport. Bay of Plenty and Taranaki underway at

1649
01:27:18,107 --> 01:27:21,107
Speaker 3: the Todonga domain or just about to get underway in

1650
01:27:21,227 --> 01:27:24,227
Speaker 3: their bunnings ENPC match. This will be a good battle actually,

1651
01:27:24,267 --> 01:27:27,107
Speaker 3: Bay of Plenty of fourth. Tartanaki are currently fifth, so

1652
01:27:27,227 --> 01:27:29,587
Speaker 3: Plenty on the line in this one. As far as

1653
01:27:29,627 --> 01:27:32,147
Speaker 3: the Farah palmer Cupp is concerned, Auckland have beaten Bay

1654
01:27:32,147 --> 01:27:35,347
Speaker 3: of Plenty twenty nine twenty four. Canterbury and Hawks Bay

1655
01:27:35,427 --> 01:27:39,307
Speaker 3: are underway in Prebleton, Nila, all there in the early stages.

1656
01:27:39,347 --> 01:27:43,507
Speaker 3: Mona or two against North Harbor also underway in Palmerston North.

1657
01:27:44,187 --> 01:27:47,187
Speaker 3: It was announced yesterday morning that Football Ferns coach yit

1658
01:27:47,307 --> 01:27:51,067
Speaker 3: Ka Klimkova has stood down permanently from the role, three

1659
01:27:51,187 --> 01:27:53,507
Speaker 3: years into her six year contract. That brings to an

1660
01:27:53,587 --> 01:27:57,627
Speaker 3: end of fairly curious period. Yit Kaklimkova took a temporary

1661
01:27:57,747 --> 01:28:00,787
Speaker 3: leave of absence for the team's two matches against Japan

1662
01:28:01,347 --> 01:28:04,867
Speaker 3: in late May and early June while an investigation was

1663
01:28:04,947 --> 01:28:08,707
Speaker 3: concluded in relation to an employment matter. That announcement was

1664
01:28:08,707 --> 01:28:10,907
Speaker 3: made just days before the first of those two games.

1665
01:28:10,947 --> 01:28:15,387
Speaker 3: Assistant Michael Mayne took interim charge. On the eighth of June,

1666
01:28:15,467 --> 01:28:19,587
Speaker 3: it was announced that investigation had concluded and Yetka Klumkova

1667
01:28:19,627 --> 01:28:23,547
Speaker 3: would return as head coach with immediate effect. But in

1668
01:28:23,627 --> 01:28:26,627
Speaker 3: late June it was announced the Football Ferns would go

1669
01:28:26,707 --> 01:28:30,067
Speaker 3: to the Paris Olympics without her after she opted to

1670
01:28:30,147 --> 01:28:33,347
Speaker 3: stand down for the tournament. New Zealand Football said in

1671
01:28:33,387 --> 01:28:35,587
Speaker 3: a statement at that time that it was due to

1672
01:28:35,667 --> 01:28:39,667
Speaker 3: concerns in relation to the team environment, Yetka Klumkove's well

1673
01:28:39,707 --> 01:28:43,987
Speaker 3: being and a restorative process having not been completed, so

1674
01:28:44,147 --> 01:28:46,947
Speaker 3: it would not be the right time for her to return.

1675
01:28:47,107 --> 01:28:50,107
Speaker 3: Michael Maine was again handed the reins for the Paris Olympics,

1676
01:28:50,107 --> 01:28:53,307
Speaker 3: and then yesterday the news that Yittka Climkova has stood

1677
01:28:53,387 --> 01:28:57,107
Speaker 3: down permanently from the role as Football Ferns head coach.

1678
01:28:57,627 --> 01:29:00,867
Speaker 3: New Zealand Football CEO Andrew Pragnell is with us Andrew,

1679
01:29:00,907 --> 01:29:04,027
Speaker 3: thanks for taking the time this afternoon. What has happened here?

1680
01:29:04,987 --> 01:29:09,467
Speaker 5: Goody tiny and to have me look Ultimately, yakas chosen

1681
01:29:09,507 --> 01:29:13,787
Speaker 5: to resign. So it's after three years at the helm.

1682
01:29:13,907 --> 01:29:16,587
Speaker 5: I mean there's been obviously a bit of disruption the

1683
01:29:16,627 --> 01:29:19,027
Speaker 5: team as of late but I think when we step

1684
01:29:19,187 --> 01:29:21,667
Speaker 5: back from that and we kind of look at her tenure,

1685
01:29:21,987 --> 01:29:24,107
Speaker 5: there's been some incredible success along the way to.

1686
01:29:24,747 --> 01:29:27,147
Speaker 3: What were the reasons for her deciding to stand down?

1687
01:29:28,467 --> 01:29:30,827
Speaker 5: Ultimately? I mean, I think that's for her to speak

1688
01:29:30,867 --> 01:29:32,827
Speaker 5: to in terms of, you know, I don't think it's

1689
01:29:32,867 --> 01:29:36,107
Speaker 5: right that I would speak on her behalf. But I

1690
01:29:36,187 --> 01:29:38,427
Speaker 5: think that at the end of the day, she's put

1691
01:29:38,467 --> 01:29:41,867
Speaker 5: it in pretty hard yards. She's achieved some things we've

1692
01:29:41,867 --> 01:29:45,387
Speaker 5: never achieved before. She's transitioned the team in a way

1693
01:29:45,467 --> 01:29:47,947
Speaker 5: that we hadn't seen her the part of ten years,

1694
01:29:48,307 --> 01:29:49,507
Speaker 5: and she fills her times up.

1695
01:29:50,227 --> 01:29:53,747
Speaker 3: Hey, she though, Andrew, Yeah, I said.

1696
01:29:53,507 --> 01:29:55,587
Speaker 5: This is a good one. I'm glad you asked that,

1697
01:29:55,627 --> 01:29:59,707
Speaker 5: because I think there's obviously different views on that. I

1698
01:29:59,707 --> 01:30:01,347
Speaker 5: think there's there's a couple of things that we need

1699
01:30:01,387 --> 01:30:03,707
Speaker 5: to do when we look at Yaka's tenure, as you

1700
01:30:03,707 --> 01:30:06,987
Speaker 5: should do with every coach, and the thing is have

1701
01:30:07,027 --> 01:30:08,587
Speaker 5: a look in the review mirror and take a few

1702
01:30:08,587 --> 01:30:12,107
Speaker 5: steps back, because for more than thirty years we've been

1703
01:30:12,147 --> 01:30:13,747
Speaker 5: trying to get a win at the Women's World Cup.

1704
01:30:15,067 --> 01:30:18,307
Speaker 5: The reality is she made a breakthrough that we haven't

1705
01:30:18,347 --> 01:30:21,067
Speaker 5: been able to make as her leadership that did it.

1706
01:30:21,867 --> 01:30:23,747
Speaker 5: I know there's a lot of commentary on her win

1707
01:30:23,827 --> 01:30:29,387
Speaker 5: loss record. It's pretty consistent with previous coaches. I think that.

1708
01:30:29,907 --> 01:30:31,827
Speaker 5: I also think there's a little bit of I think

1709
01:30:31,867 --> 01:30:34,067
Speaker 5: we need to clarify as well. From our end, our

1710
01:30:34,107 --> 01:30:37,307
Speaker 5: focus is weally on the Women's World Cut results. So

1711
01:30:38,307 --> 01:30:41,667
Speaker 5: you know, she chose to you know, she chose to

1712
01:30:41,667 --> 01:30:43,987
Speaker 5: play top twenty teams in the build up to that

1713
01:30:44,027 --> 01:30:46,907
Speaker 5: Woman's World Cup because she thought that's what would get

1714
01:30:46,987 --> 01:30:51,827
Speaker 5: us some results. And you know that impacted the win

1715
01:30:51,947 --> 01:30:54,427
Speaker 5: loss record ultimately, but it did get us to a

1716
01:30:54,427 --> 01:30:56,747
Speaker 5: place we haven't been before. I think when we look back,

1717
01:30:57,187 --> 01:30:59,707
Speaker 5: we'll look back obviously the ones will cup with real

1718
01:30:59,787 --> 01:31:02,347
Speaker 5: mixed feelings. It's all very well to win the first

1719
01:31:02,347 --> 01:31:04,507
Speaker 5: game changed the course of the Woman's World Cup, but

1720
01:31:04,547 --> 01:31:06,467
Speaker 5: there's no doubt they want to get out of the group.

1721
01:31:06,587 --> 01:31:11,427
Speaker 5: And often your resultant feelings are based on your last game.

1722
01:31:11,547 --> 01:31:14,027
Speaker 5: So that's that's one thing that I don't think we

1723
01:31:14,027 --> 01:31:15,947
Speaker 5: should ever take from her. But the one that I

1724
01:31:15,947 --> 01:31:19,187
Speaker 5: think will be genuinely longer lasting is the transition of

1725
01:31:19,227 --> 01:31:22,107
Speaker 5: the team. So if we step back again, we look

1726
01:31:22,107 --> 01:31:25,627
Speaker 5: at the ferns over the last ten years. I think

1727
01:31:25,867 --> 01:31:29,107
Speaker 5: we'd be right to acknowledge there hasn't been any true

1728
01:31:29,427 --> 01:31:32,027
Speaker 5: until yet has come along true transition of the team.

1729
01:31:32,867 --> 01:31:36,507
Speaker 5: We haven't had a professional pathway up till recently. It's

1730
01:31:36,547 --> 01:31:40,187
Speaker 5: meant that, you know, a very few group of players,

1731
01:31:40,267 --> 01:31:43,667
Speaker 5: let players accumulated literally hundreds of taps. I don't think

1732
01:31:43,667 --> 01:31:45,987
Speaker 5: that was necessarily a healthy thing to do, and yet

1733
01:31:45,987 --> 01:31:48,867
Speaker 5: could transitioned it. She didn't, And some people would say

1734
01:31:48,867 --> 01:31:50,587
Speaker 5: she should have transitioned it faster. But at the end

1735
01:31:50,587 --> 01:31:53,427
Speaker 5: of the day, she basically brought in eighteen new players,

1736
01:31:54,107 --> 01:31:56,627
Speaker 5: introduced ten new players to Woman's wor cup, certainly a

1737
01:31:56,627 --> 01:31:58,707
Speaker 5: bigger transition than any coach in the history of the

1738
01:31:58,707 --> 01:32:01,107
Speaker 5: football Ferns. So I don't think we should take those

1739
01:32:01,147 --> 01:32:04,147
Speaker 5: from and and he goes. She gives us good wishes

1740
01:32:04,147 --> 01:32:04,667
Speaker 5: from outside.

1741
01:32:04,867 --> 01:32:06,307
Speaker 3: Did you try to convince her to stay.

1742
01:32:07,827 --> 01:32:11,067
Speaker 5: It's a great question as well. Look, I think that ultimately,

1743
01:32:12,387 --> 01:32:15,267
Speaker 5: you know, these things should come from the heart. She's

1744
01:32:15,307 --> 01:32:18,107
Speaker 5: a good person. She waged it up. I think she's

1745
01:32:18,147 --> 01:32:22,587
Speaker 5: given her all one hundred percent. She's been incredibly proud,

1746
01:32:22,707 --> 01:32:26,547
Speaker 5: she's got you know, she's a key with check. At

1747
01:32:26,547 --> 01:32:29,107
Speaker 5: the end of the day, she's been here. For those

1748
01:32:29,107 --> 01:32:31,507
Speaker 5: that know her history, she's ten years prior, she's been

1749
01:32:31,547 --> 01:32:34,267
Speaker 5: involved in our age group side, she's been out and out.

1750
01:32:35,347 --> 01:32:38,307
Speaker 5: I feel like she'd given everything. She put her hard

1751
01:32:38,307 --> 01:32:40,707
Speaker 5: and soul into it, and the team isn't a better

1752
01:32:40,747 --> 01:32:42,947
Speaker 5: place for it, although I appreciate it may not seem

1753
01:32:42,987 --> 01:32:46,107
Speaker 5: like it at times as well, but that transition should

1754
01:32:46,147 --> 01:32:46,907
Speaker 5: not be understated.

1755
01:32:47,547 --> 01:32:48,707
Speaker 3: What's this player driven?

1756
01:32:49,987 --> 01:32:53,067
Speaker 5: That's a good question. I think. I always say, we

1757
01:32:53,107 --> 01:32:55,467
Speaker 5: can talk about player voice, and you know what, what

1758
01:32:55,547 --> 01:32:57,587
Speaker 5: do the players? I always say, and the scot to

1759
01:32:57,667 --> 01:33:01,027
Speaker 5: twenty three people, there's twenty three different views. I would

1760
01:33:01,027 --> 01:33:03,947
Speaker 5: say we've got some pretty diverse views amongst the score.

1761
01:33:04,027 --> 01:33:08,267
Speaker 5: We've still got transitions happening. There's wide public sentiment on

1762
01:33:08,667 --> 01:33:11,187
Speaker 5: again as to whether it should be happening faster or not.

1763
01:33:12,987 --> 01:33:15,627
Speaker 5: I think I think it'll be fair to say there's

1764
01:33:15,707 --> 01:33:18,547
Speaker 5: there's there's some players obviously who weren't yelling. Uh, there's

1765
01:33:18,547 --> 01:33:22,467
Speaker 5: some players who were so Look. I think that there's

1766
01:33:22,507 --> 01:33:26,187
Speaker 5: a player dynamic that's always complex. Was a player driven

1767
01:33:27,387 --> 01:33:29,467
Speaker 5: players have an impact in this without doubt.

1768
01:33:30,747 --> 01:33:33,267
Speaker 3: Another way of asking it, I guess what's the discontent

1769
01:33:33,467 --> 01:33:36,547
Speaker 3: among large parts of the playing group with yeah, kirklk

1770
01:33:36,587 --> 01:33:37,427
Speaker 3: Over as head coach.

1771
01:33:38,467 --> 01:33:42,787
Speaker 5: I think that there were challenges around communication style. I

1772
01:33:42,827 --> 01:33:47,747
Speaker 5: think there are certainly players who weren't yelling, you know,

1773
01:33:47,947 --> 01:33:50,907
Speaker 5: in that instance. So, but I also think that there

1774
01:33:50,987 --> 01:33:56,107
Speaker 5: were also players who thought you'd bought centy energy some

1775
01:33:56,267 --> 01:33:59,587
Speaker 5: things we've never done before, given given a whole of

1776
01:33:59,587 --> 01:34:02,547
Speaker 5: the new players, new caps, and so I think it's

1777
01:34:02,587 --> 01:34:04,947
Speaker 5: better to describe here as being real diverse views in

1778
01:34:05,227 --> 01:34:06,867
Speaker 5: the playing group there, just.

1779
01:34:06,867 --> 01:34:12,067
Speaker 3: On the circumstances around the investigation into an employment matter,

1780
01:34:12,427 --> 01:34:14,067
Speaker 3: I don't want to know. I know you can't tell

1781
01:34:14,107 --> 01:34:16,947
Speaker 3: me what it was. Temporary leave of absence. She didn't

1782
01:34:17,067 --> 01:34:20,187
Speaker 3: take the team to Spain to play Japan in late

1783
01:34:20,227 --> 01:34:22,827
Speaker 3: May and early June, but then it was announced the

1784
01:34:22,867 --> 01:34:25,987
Speaker 3: investigation that concluded she'd return with immediate effect. Was it

1785
01:34:26,027 --> 01:34:28,267
Speaker 3: your intent that she would take the Ferns to the

1786
01:34:28,307 --> 01:34:29,787
Speaker 3: Olympic Games at that point?

1787
01:34:30,667 --> 01:34:33,867
Speaker 5: Yes, it was, Yeah, so I think, and I'll speak

1788
01:34:33,907 --> 01:34:37,427
Speaker 5: to it. But as you know, Pliny, but employment matters

1789
01:34:37,427 --> 01:34:40,987
Speaker 5: are always tricky in terms of observing both employment law

1790
01:34:40,987 --> 01:34:44,187
Speaker 5: and was right to confidentiality. But yes, we did an

1791
01:34:44,227 --> 01:34:48,067
Speaker 5: employment independent employment investigation. There was nothing in that investigation

1792
01:34:48,227 --> 01:34:49,947
Speaker 5: that told me that she was not fit to be

1793
01:34:50,987 --> 01:34:54,547
Speaker 5: coached with it closely with the Players Association and felt

1794
01:34:54,547 --> 01:34:58,267
Speaker 5: that it was right for her to be returning and

1795
01:34:58,947 --> 01:35:02,307
Speaker 5: that actually the restorative process would enable that to happen.

1796
01:35:02,707 --> 01:35:05,427
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, I still felt there

1797
01:35:05,467 --> 01:35:08,707
Speaker 5: was some pretty is still a disruption in that playing environment.

1798
01:35:09,427 --> 01:35:12,427
Speaker 5: I was concerned for her coming into that environment. It

1799
01:35:12,467 --> 01:35:15,347
Speaker 5: was going to be too quick and you know, prioritize,

1800
01:35:15,347 --> 01:35:18,427
Speaker 5: I guess the team in terms of inter from we

1801
01:35:18,427 --> 01:35:21,507
Speaker 5: had as minimized minimize the US disruption going to the team.

1802
01:35:21,627 --> 01:35:25,147
Speaker 5: So you know, that's how it played out, and you

1803
01:35:25,187 --> 01:35:26,227
Speaker 5: know that is what it is.

1804
01:35:26,387 --> 01:35:29,267
Speaker 3: So it's just that. So she came back at the

1805
01:35:29,427 --> 01:35:31,987
Speaker 3: at the end of the employment investigation found there was

1806
01:35:32,187 --> 01:35:33,867
Speaker 3: nothing to see here, So that was fine. We put

1807
01:35:33,907 --> 01:35:36,547
Speaker 3: that behind us, But there was still a reluctance on

1808
01:35:36,587 --> 01:35:39,307
Speaker 3: your part to reintroduce her into the team environment.

1809
01:35:40,387 --> 01:35:40,587
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1810
01:35:40,707 --> 01:35:43,947
Speaker 5: Look, I think when we kind of tested the water,

1811
01:35:44,067 --> 01:35:47,787
Speaker 5: so to speak, and got a gauge of it, I

1812
01:35:48,067 --> 01:35:50,987
Speaker 5: was worried that there would be enormous disruptions in the

1813
01:35:50,987 --> 01:35:55,747
Speaker 5: team environment ultimately, and that applied to both in terms

1814
01:35:55,827 --> 01:35:59,987
Speaker 5: of her re engaging in it. But also also the

1815
01:35:59,987 --> 01:36:03,347
Speaker 5: wider playing group. So on balance, you know, we talked

1816
01:36:03,547 --> 01:36:06,267
Speaker 5: through with her and she agreed, actually this was the right,

1817
01:36:06,427 --> 01:36:07,827
Speaker 5: not the right time to be stepping in.

1818
01:36:08,907 --> 01:36:12,507
Speaker 3: And so here we are now. So so were you

1819
01:36:12,627 --> 01:36:15,747
Speaker 3: confident though, that beyond the Olympic game she still could

1820
01:36:15,787 --> 01:36:16,867
Speaker 3: rejoin the environment.

1821
01:36:18,067 --> 01:36:23,267
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think believe it or not. Relatively kind

1822
01:36:23,307 --> 01:36:25,947
Speaker 5: of relaxed approach in terms about how this could work.

1823
01:36:26,027 --> 01:36:30,147
Speaker 5: But ultimately, you know, we're a pretty exciting period in

1824
01:36:30,187 --> 01:36:34,227
Speaker 5: the game right now. We've got about to have two

1825
01:36:34,267 --> 01:36:37,667
Speaker 5: women's professional side theres of next year. We've got some

1826
01:36:37,707 --> 01:36:40,347
Speaker 5: of the most exciting young players with you know years

1827
01:36:40,387 --> 01:36:41,867
Speaker 5: you know, well the Macy's and the middies of the

1828
01:36:41,907 --> 01:36:45,547
Speaker 5: world entering the NWSL, players like Kate Taylor going up

1829
01:36:45,547 --> 01:36:50,787
Speaker 5: into Europe. There's a really really exciting young squad, said

1830
01:36:50,787 --> 01:36:54,307
Speaker 5: a big hand and introducing. You know, she's given everything

1831
01:36:54,587 --> 01:36:58,027
Speaker 5: that she could. I think I think she could have.

1832
01:36:58,147 --> 01:36:59,867
Speaker 5: I think she could have gone on, but on balanced,

1833
01:36:59,907 --> 01:37:03,307
Speaker 5: I feel like energy guys thrown her heart and solid

1834
01:37:03,307 --> 01:37:05,787
Speaker 5: it and the right time is now. If someone had

1835
01:37:05,827 --> 01:37:07,547
Speaker 5: come in and pick up a bit of focus and

1836
01:37:07,547 --> 01:37:09,627
Speaker 5: make sure we get the planning right for twenty twenty

1837
01:37:09,667 --> 01:37:11,827
Speaker 5: seven as well, make sure we've got a really robust,

1838
01:37:11,907 --> 01:37:15,027
Speaker 5: like the All Whites do now, incredibly robust campaign plan

1839
01:37:15,387 --> 01:37:17,227
Speaker 5: that sets them up to get out of the group

1840
01:37:17,227 --> 01:37:19,907
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty seven. So we've got a first win

1841
01:37:20,027 --> 01:37:23,707
Speaker 5: in thirty years of trying. The next goal absolutely is

1842
01:37:23,747 --> 01:37:25,867
Speaker 5: get out of the group and make sure this team

1843
01:37:25,947 --> 01:37:26,627
Speaker 5: keeps progressing.

1844
01:37:27,067 --> 01:37:29,747
Speaker 3: The release also said yet Ker will remain working for

1845
01:37:29,787 --> 01:37:32,667
Speaker 3: New Zealand Football for the next six months, supporting the

1846
01:37:32,747 --> 01:37:37,227
Speaker 3: high performance department and national team activity. What will that

1847
01:37:37,267 --> 01:37:37,947
Speaker 3: work involve?

1848
01:37:39,827 --> 01:37:42,147
Speaker 5: Three or four big things. I think first and foremost,

1849
01:37:42,227 --> 01:37:46,267
Speaker 5: we've got a huge amount of international activity going on.

1850
01:37:46,947 --> 01:37:51,227
Speaker 5: This week alone, we've had four international teams playing, Traveling, Mover, Gooding,

1851
01:37:51,267 --> 01:37:53,507
Speaker 5: I mont just chip in if you don't mind. Footsoo

1852
01:37:53,547 --> 01:37:58,187
Speaker 5: Whites te teeming off tomorrow at the Footsall World Cup,

1853
01:37:58,227 --> 01:38:02,147
Speaker 5: first ever game FIFA bluss. Ver's Livia. Huge amount of

1854
01:38:02,187 --> 01:38:07,027
Speaker 5: international activity that includes now we've got under seventeen playing

1855
01:38:07,147 --> 01:38:11,547
Speaker 5: annual WILL qualifiers and hopefully World Cups provide they qualify.

1856
01:38:11,667 --> 01:38:16,227
Speaker 5: So she was in Columbia supporting our ownder twenties where

1857
01:38:16,347 --> 01:38:19,827
Speaker 5: next next month we've got our under svenenes going to

1858
01:38:20,387 --> 01:38:25,707
Speaker 5: another World Cup in the Dominican Republic and equally making

1859
01:38:25,747 --> 01:38:28,307
Speaker 5: sure we get campaign planning right. So this we're going

1860
01:38:28,347 --> 01:38:30,747
Speaker 5: to enter the next few months with some really robust

1861
01:38:30,787 --> 01:38:33,667
Speaker 5: campaign planning. And what I'm not keen to do is

1862
01:38:33,747 --> 01:38:35,827
Speaker 5: throw the baby out with the bath water. And that's

1863
01:38:35,987 --> 01:38:38,027
Speaker 5: what to be quite frank, We've got a history of

1864
01:38:38,067 --> 01:38:40,907
Speaker 5: doing and you know sport has a history of doing this.

1865
01:38:41,147 --> 01:38:44,187
Speaker 5: As a coach moves on, a new coach comes in

1866
01:38:44,227 --> 01:38:48,707
Speaker 5: completely new ideas, changes everything, brings in new staff and

1867
01:38:48,747 --> 01:38:50,787
Speaker 5: you start from scratch. We've actually got some really good

1868
01:38:50,827 --> 01:38:54,987
Speaker 5: institutional knowledge in Yeka in the building and team staff,

1869
01:38:55,107 --> 01:38:58,787
Speaker 5: in playing group. So we're gonna involve her not those

1870
01:38:58,787 --> 01:39:00,947
Speaker 5: World Cups, but also in some of that campaign planning.

1871
01:39:01,067 --> 01:39:03,147
Speaker 3: But it won't be on the grass coaching as such,

1872
01:39:04,387 --> 01:39:06,267
Speaker 3: not with the football ferns.

1873
01:39:06,427 --> 01:39:08,787
Speaker 5: She's not the head coach of the seven ens either,

1874
01:39:08,827 --> 01:39:12,227
Speaker 5: but you know technical analysis and support. Sure.

1875
01:39:13,427 --> 01:39:15,867
Speaker 3: Was it a mistake to offer her a six year contract?

1876
01:39:17,627 --> 01:39:20,547
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think there's a little bit

1877
01:39:20,667 --> 01:39:25,507
Speaker 5: of the first of the foremost. Typically we often often

1878
01:39:25,707 --> 01:39:30,747
Speaker 5: offer for what we got caught with COVID in the

1879
01:39:30,787 --> 01:39:33,347
Speaker 5: way the Olympics got delayed. It's kind of a mid cycle,

1880
01:39:33,387 --> 01:39:37,067
Speaker 5: if you like. I think the reason for going with

1881
01:39:37,227 --> 01:39:41,627
Speaker 5: six is fundamentally, as we realized that we were going

1882
01:39:41,707 --> 01:39:43,307
Speaker 5: to have to go, there's going to be have to

1883
01:39:43,307 --> 01:39:46,907
Speaker 5: be a huge transition. Whoever's going to transition us at

1884
01:39:46,907 --> 01:39:48,707
Speaker 5: that stage is going to have their work cut out

1885
01:39:49,427 --> 01:39:51,227
Speaker 5: to be able to do that. At the end of

1886
01:39:51,227 --> 01:39:53,867
Speaker 5: the day, it says no material impact on the outcome.

1887
01:39:53,907 --> 01:39:58,507
Speaker 5: Obviously she's resigned regardless, But no, I actually tend to

1888
01:39:58,587 --> 01:40:02,547
Speaker 5: favor longer term contracts in general. It depends so right,

1889
01:40:02,707 --> 01:40:05,027
Speaker 5: like you could offer someone a one or two year

1890
01:40:05,067 --> 01:40:06,667
Speaker 5: but they may not choose to make it.

1891
01:40:07,187 --> 01:40:08,867
Speaker 3: But were there performance triggers in it?

1892
01:40:10,627 --> 01:40:14,787
Speaker 5: There weren't performance triggers per se. But equally, like any situation,

1893
01:40:15,627 --> 01:40:18,947
Speaker 5: any kind of terms of employment, when things aren't working out,

1894
01:40:18,987 --> 01:40:21,107
Speaker 5: there's a conversation that's happened, that happens.

1895
01:40:22,707 --> 01:40:24,187
Speaker 3: Would it be fair to say that you won't offer

1896
01:40:24,227 --> 01:40:25,467
Speaker 3: the next coach a six year deal?

1897
01:40:26,947 --> 01:40:30,867
Speaker 5: Well, fortunately, we're kind of not mid cycle. I think

1898
01:40:30,947 --> 01:40:35,787
Speaker 5: that with twenty twenty seven and the campaign planning underway,

1899
01:40:36,827 --> 01:40:39,027
Speaker 5: I think we'll probably be looking through to twenty twenty seven.

1900
01:40:39,067 --> 01:40:41,947
Speaker 5: But what I would say is we're recruiting someone to

1901
01:40:41,987 --> 01:40:45,307
Speaker 5: fit into a campaign plan rather than someone who is

1902
01:40:45,387 --> 01:40:48,147
Speaker 5: going to come in and start planning from it, you know,

1903
01:40:48,187 --> 01:40:50,987
Speaker 5: bringing in all their own staff and start planning fresh

1904
01:40:51,027 --> 01:40:51,587
Speaker 5: on their own.

1905
01:40:51,707 --> 01:40:53,667
Speaker 3: Do you think that'll make it a less attractive proposition

1906
01:40:53,707 --> 01:40:55,667
Speaker 3: for people? I don't know. I mean there might be

1907
01:40:55,707 --> 01:40:57,387
Speaker 3: some coaches who would prefer to come in with a

1908
01:40:57,387 --> 01:40:58,467
Speaker 3: clean slate for example.

1909
01:40:59,707 --> 01:41:05,947
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, well, I actually think you know, football's

1910
01:41:05,947 --> 01:41:10,907
Speaker 5: football always pretty mercenarios. You know, Piney, you'll love this

1911
01:41:10,987 --> 01:41:14,107
Speaker 5: stat The average tenure for an international coach is eleven months.

1912
01:41:14,627 --> 01:41:17,267
Speaker 5: So there's plenty of people on the market. But as

1913
01:41:17,347 --> 01:41:19,667
Speaker 5: keewis know, and this is another thing we had a

1914
01:41:19,667 --> 01:41:22,027
Speaker 5: bit of have had a bit of history over decades

1915
01:41:22,027 --> 01:41:27,427
Speaker 5: of doing football, is taking the first foreign coach with

1916
01:41:27,467 --> 01:41:30,747
Speaker 5: an attractive TV it looks looks bright and shiny, uh,

1917
01:41:30,867 --> 01:41:33,267
Speaker 5: and then often finding a miss miss mantra or a

1918
01:41:33,307 --> 01:41:37,147
Speaker 5: miss cultural fit. So look, I think that'll we put

1919
01:41:37,187 --> 01:41:39,187
Speaker 5: there again. There's there's lots of people lining up. We've

1920
01:41:39,187 --> 01:41:43,187
Speaker 5: got Michael Main here as an interim regardless, he knows

1921
01:41:43,227 --> 01:41:47,387
Speaker 5: the squad really well, his solid performer, so you know,

1922
01:41:47,747 --> 01:41:50,467
Speaker 5: having him there and the interim is key is that.

1923
01:41:50,467 --> 01:41:53,187
Speaker 3: What happened with Yaka shiny CV but didn't turn out

1924
01:41:53,187 --> 01:41:54,107
Speaker 3: to be the right third.

1925
01:41:54,707 --> 01:41:57,147
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think at the end of

1926
01:41:57,187 --> 01:41:59,827
Speaker 5: the day, Yaka I had a pro license, she'd won

1927
01:42:00,267 --> 01:42:02,027
Speaker 5: won the equivalent of the what was you know, the

1928
01:42:02,147 --> 01:42:05,267
Speaker 5: WV back in the day. She'd coach no our system,

1929
01:42:05,387 --> 01:42:08,507
Speaker 5: she wasn't new to New Zealand, she'd led and run

1930
01:42:08,707 --> 01:42:13,347
Speaker 5: our age group teams and had good feedback. And while

1931
01:42:13,387 --> 01:42:16,747
Speaker 5: they'll be preferring views, I would say on the basis

1932
01:42:16,747 --> 01:42:19,667
Speaker 5: of achieving something we've never achieved before, the transitioning the team,

1933
01:42:20,147 --> 01:42:23,547
Speaker 5: ultimately her tenure should be regarded as a success. I

1934
01:42:23,707 --> 01:42:26,067
Speaker 5: get the focus on the one last record, but i'd

1935
01:42:26,067 --> 01:42:32,627
Speaker 5: probably restate that aid that's consistent with former Football Funds coaches.

1936
01:42:32,907 --> 01:42:36,867
Speaker 5: But equally, you know, we could easily, let's put it

1937
01:42:36,867 --> 01:42:40,907
Speaker 5: this way, we could easily chase down easier position and

1938
01:42:41,587 --> 01:42:44,867
Speaker 5: make it look make that look comfy and cozy and

1939
01:42:45,147 --> 01:42:48,147
Speaker 5: get that up. But you know, we deliberately sought out

1940
01:42:50,027 --> 01:42:52,507
Speaker 5: difficult games for her and she sought them out herself

1941
01:42:52,947 --> 01:42:55,187
Speaker 5: because we were focused on results at the Women's Work Cup,

1942
01:42:55,227 --> 01:42:57,427
Speaker 5: and ultimately that will be what we judged twenty twenty

1943
01:42:57,467 --> 01:42:59,627
Speaker 5: seven on and the goal there will be to get

1944
01:42:59,667 --> 01:43:00,467
Speaker 5: out of the group.

1945
01:43:00,547 --> 01:43:02,707
Speaker 3: Not fair point. So just to finish, what is your

1946
01:43:02,747 --> 01:43:05,187
Speaker 3: timeline in process for recruiting her replacement?

1947
01:43:06,387 --> 01:43:09,427
Speaker 5: I think immediately we've made a decision not to play

1948
01:43:10,067 --> 01:43:13,307
Speaker 5: the October window. We're weighing up November. But ultimately it's

1949
01:43:13,347 --> 01:43:16,187
Speaker 5: a critical thing for getting this campaign planning right. We've

1950
01:43:16,187 --> 01:43:19,507
Speaker 5: got a brilliant plan for the All Whites that the team,

1951
01:43:19,787 --> 01:43:23,387
Speaker 5: the players, the whole organization's really proud of and we're

1952
01:43:23,467 --> 01:43:27,027
Speaker 5: looking forward to seeing seeing that paced dividends. So we'll

1953
01:43:27,027 --> 01:43:30,587
Speaker 5: actually embark on the planning first, you know, So there's

1954
01:43:30,627 --> 01:43:32,627
Speaker 5: no immediate rush to get this out to market. We

1955
01:43:32,667 --> 01:43:36,867
Speaker 5: may begin in the new year, but right now, campaign

1956
01:43:36,867 --> 01:43:39,347
Speaker 5: planning and learning the lessons of the last three and

1957
01:43:39,387 --> 01:43:40,667
Speaker 5: four years as a focus.

1958
01:43:40,987 --> 01:43:44,587
Speaker 3: Andrew, appreciate your time and you're and your honesty really though,

1959
01:43:44,587 --> 01:43:45,907
Speaker 3: thanks thanks for taking air.

1960
01:43:45,907 --> 01:43:48,987
Speaker 5: Call jes bidy and watch those Footsall.

1961
01:43:48,667 --> 01:43:50,707
Speaker 3: Whites tomorrow I definitely will be done. Worry about that.

1962
01:43:51,067 --> 01:43:55,387
Speaker 3: Andrew Pregnant, CEO of New Zealand Football to twenty seven

1963
01:43:55,467 --> 01:43:58,147
Speaker 3: you might have some thoughts, Oh one hundred and eighty

1964
01:43:57,827 --> 01:44:00,907
Speaker 3: eight nine text back after this on Weekend Sport.

1965
01:44:01,627 --> 01:44:07,307
Speaker 1: Rude Hold Engage Weekend Sports with Jason kame gj Gunner

1966
01:44:07,307 --> 01:44:08,147
Speaker 1: Homes new.

1967
01:44:08,107 --> 01:44:10,027
Speaker 2: Zealand's first trusted home builder.

1968
01:44:09,827 --> 01:44:14,107
Speaker 3: News Talk two thirty plenty of feedback on text. I

1969
01:44:14,147 --> 01:44:17,707
Speaker 3: can tell you after our interview with Andrew Pragnell, CEO

1970
01:44:18,067 --> 01:44:21,267
Speaker 3: of New Zealand Football. First of all, I must say

1971
01:44:21,827 --> 01:44:26,347
Speaker 3: that to their credit, New Zealand Football put Andrew Pragnell

1972
01:44:26,387 --> 01:44:29,707
Speaker 3: forward to chat yesterday when this news broke Me and

1973
01:44:29,787 --> 01:44:34,187
Speaker 3: a number of others here at Newstalk ZEDB and the

1974
01:44:34,227 --> 01:44:37,667
Speaker 3: wider endz ME network tried to get in touch with

1975
01:44:37,707 --> 01:44:40,027
Speaker 3: New Zealand Football, as I know did a number of

1976
01:44:40,067 --> 01:44:44,027
Speaker 3: other media organizations without any joy. But to their credit

1977
01:44:44,267 --> 01:44:49,187
Speaker 3: they reversed that today and Andrew Pragnell fronted up, came

1978
01:44:49,227 --> 01:44:51,587
Speaker 3: on the radio with me. Presumably we'll also appear on

1979
01:44:51,667 --> 01:44:58,107
Speaker 3: other media today, So so credit to that. This felt inevitable,

1980
01:44:59,627 --> 01:45:03,907
Speaker 3: the departure of yet Clumcover. I mean, you know, having

1981
01:45:03,987 --> 01:45:07,427
Speaker 3: been the subject of that employment matter which saw her

1982
01:45:07,507 --> 01:45:10,947
Speaker 3: miss those two games earlier this year against Japan and

1983
01:45:10,987 --> 01:45:14,347
Speaker 3: then mysteriously stand out for the Olympics, it just felt

1984
01:45:14,427 --> 01:45:16,387
Speaker 3: like she couldn't continue in the role. It just seemed

1985
01:45:16,467 --> 01:45:22,227
Speaker 3: untenable to me. And Andrew talked about the performance and

1986
01:45:22,387 --> 01:45:24,827
Speaker 3: looking at the numbers. Here are the numbers, okay, and

1987
01:45:24,907 --> 01:45:26,587
Speaker 3: they only tell some of the story. I know that,

1988
01:45:26,907 --> 01:45:29,987
Speaker 3: But here are the numbers. Yet kakom Kova oversaw thirty

1989
01:45:30,107 --> 01:45:35,787
Speaker 3: nine games as head coach, thirty nine eleven wins, seven draws,

1990
01:45:36,227 --> 01:45:39,547
Speaker 3: twenty one losses. Now those stats are padded a bit

1991
01:45:39,627 --> 01:45:43,547
Speaker 3: two by five wins in Oceania Olympic qualifying against Pacific

1992
01:45:43,627 --> 01:45:46,187
Speaker 3: Island side, who, to be frank, would struggle in local

1993
01:45:46,267 --> 01:45:48,347
Speaker 3: leagues here in New Zealand. So take those five wins out.

1994
01:45:48,827 --> 01:45:52,667
Speaker 3: It's six wins, seven draws and twenty one defeats against

1995
01:45:52,747 --> 01:45:56,907
Speaker 3: non Oceania opposition in thirty four matches in charge. It's

1996
01:45:56,947 --> 01:45:59,947
Speaker 3: a terrible record, no matter which way you cut and

1997
01:45:59,987 --> 01:46:04,227
Speaker 3: slice it. I absolutely take the point that Andrew Pragnell

1998
01:46:04,267 --> 01:46:07,547
Speaker 3: made of New Zealand football, and Yetka herself, by the

1999
01:46:07,627 --> 01:46:12,307
Speaker 3: sounds of it, wanting to play against higher quality opposition

2000
01:46:12,867 --> 01:46:16,107
Speaker 3: in order to prepare themselves for pinnacle events and in

2001
01:46:16,187 --> 01:46:18,787
Speaker 3: this case, the Women's World Cup here last year, which

2002
01:46:18,827 --> 01:46:21,347
Speaker 3: I think we can all agree was an absolutely tremendous

2003
01:46:21,827 --> 01:46:24,947
Speaker 3: tournament and the win over Norway on opening night one

2004
01:46:24,987 --> 01:46:28,267
Speaker 3: of the great nights in New Zealand sport for anybody

2005
01:46:28,267 --> 01:46:32,107
Speaker 3: who was there, for anybody who watched on television, absolutely,

2006
01:46:32,187 --> 01:46:35,027
Speaker 3: without a doubt, one of the great nights in New

2007
01:46:35,107 --> 01:46:37,907
Speaker 3: Zealand sports. So if that is the metric by which

2008
01:46:37,907 --> 01:46:40,947
Speaker 3: we're judging Yika Klimkova's tenure, then we can give that

2009
01:46:41,067 --> 01:46:43,267
Speaker 3: bit a tick, But surely we have to judge it

2010
01:46:43,307 --> 01:46:46,667
Speaker 3: on more than just that, more than just one ninety

2011
01:46:46,707 --> 01:46:49,547
Speaker 3: minute performance, because to be honest, and Andrew Pragnell even

2012
01:46:49,587 --> 01:46:52,747
Speaker 3: admitted it, they should have gone on from there, beaten

2013
01:46:52,827 --> 01:46:54,747
Speaker 3: the Philippines and Wellington and got out of the group.

2014
01:46:55,427 --> 01:47:00,387
Speaker 3: That didn't happen. The sheer madness here of offering a

2015
01:47:00,427 --> 01:47:04,027
Speaker 3: six year contract after the Tokyo Olympics has been laid bare.

2016
01:47:04,227 --> 01:47:08,027
Speaker 3: Not no one, I don't care who they are, should

2017
01:47:08,067 --> 01:47:12,747
Speaker 3: get a contract of that length. Sure based contracts on

2018
01:47:13,387 --> 01:47:17,227
Speaker 3: pinnacle events, absolutely, World Cups and Olympics, but not three

2019
01:47:17,267 --> 01:47:21,067
Speaker 3: of them in a row without any apparent review. Because

2020
01:47:21,107 --> 01:47:23,467
Speaker 3: when Yeka took the job in twenty twenty one, she

2021
01:47:23,587 --> 01:47:26,347
Speaker 3: had the World Cup in twenty twenty three, the Olympics

2022
01:47:26,387 --> 01:47:29,507
Speaker 3: this year and the next World Cup, all inside that

2023
01:47:29,667 --> 01:47:32,187
Speaker 3: contract period. It should have been a deal until the

2024
01:47:32,307 --> 01:47:33,907
Speaker 3: end of the twenty twenty three World Cup with an

2025
01:47:33,907 --> 01:47:36,307
Speaker 3: option to extend after that, and to be honest, she

2026
01:47:36,347 --> 01:47:38,907
Speaker 3: probably would have got it after that went over. Norway.

2027
01:47:39,787 --> 01:47:42,107
Speaker 3: You say, look, we think you're the person to take

2028
01:47:42,187 --> 01:47:44,747
Speaker 3: us forward. We'd love you to be here for six, seven, ten,

2029
01:47:45,067 --> 01:47:48,747
Speaker 3: fifteen years, but just to be sure that you're a

2030
01:47:48,787 --> 01:47:51,187
Speaker 3: good fit for us and wear a good fit for you,

2031
01:47:51,907 --> 01:47:55,507
Speaker 3: we're going to make it a two year deal through

2032
01:47:55,547 --> 01:47:57,427
Speaker 3: to the next World Cup and then we'll you know,

2033
01:47:57,787 --> 01:48:01,787
Speaker 3: with an option to look at it after that. And

2034
01:48:01,867 --> 01:48:04,347
Speaker 3: then there's the bit with the players, And we're only

2035
01:48:04,467 --> 01:48:10,187
Speaker 3: going on little bit of hearsay, some fairly solid accounts

2036
01:48:10,227 --> 01:48:13,427
Speaker 3: from people who I trust and people who I've spoken to,

2037
01:48:14,707 --> 01:48:18,027
Speaker 3: and whats has clearly happened here is that there's a

2038
01:48:18,107 --> 01:48:23,907
Speaker 3: disconnect between coaching players and we're getting into dangerous water

2039
01:48:24,027 --> 01:48:28,907
Speaker 3: if we allow the players to decide whether their coach

2040
01:48:28,947 --> 01:48:29,467
Speaker 3: stays or not.

2041
01:48:29,627 --> 01:48:30,267
Speaker 18: I know we are.

2042
01:48:31,067 --> 01:48:36,067
Speaker 3: We're getting into a really murky area there. Player power

2043
01:48:36,107 --> 01:48:39,147
Speaker 3: should not decide who the coaches. It's like sitting on

2044
01:48:39,307 --> 01:48:42,467
Speaker 3: It's like the players sitting on the appointment panel does

2045
01:48:42,587 --> 01:48:45,747
Speaker 3: not work. Players play coaches coach. But when a coach

2046
01:48:45,867 --> 01:48:50,667
Speaker 3: loses a dressing room, as Yetka clearly has here, then

2047
01:48:51,627 --> 01:48:56,107
Speaker 3: there's only one thing's going to happen. Andrew said it.

2048
01:48:56,587 --> 01:49:00,507
Speaker 3: The average tenure for a coach an international football is

2049
01:49:00,667 --> 01:49:04,787
Speaker 3: eleven months. That tells you how often there is a disconnect.

2050
01:49:05,467 --> 01:49:08,627
Speaker 3: The players are going to keep bomb playing. The coach

2051
01:49:08,707 --> 01:49:11,387
Speaker 3: is the one who has to leave. I enjoyed my

2052
01:49:11,587 --> 01:49:15,707
Speaker 3: dealings with Yetka Klinkov. I liked her. I enjoyed doing

2053
01:49:15,787 --> 01:49:18,507
Speaker 3: media interviews with her. I thought she was funny.

2054
01:49:19,387 --> 01:49:19,947
Speaker 8: I liked her.

2055
01:49:20,707 --> 01:49:23,387
Speaker 3: But clearly there was something going on inside that playing

2056
01:49:23,427 --> 01:49:27,307
Speaker 3: group which was preventing peak performance. And at the end

2057
01:49:27,307 --> 01:49:31,507
Speaker 3: of the day, elite sport is about results, and if

2058
01:49:31,547 --> 01:49:35,107
Speaker 3: we go back to the numbers, with the exception of

2059
01:49:35,187 --> 01:49:38,587
Speaker 3: one glorious night at Eden Park in the middle of

2060
01:49:38,667 --> 01:49:45,227
Speaker 3: last year, the results simply were not there. Twenty four

2061
01:49:45,267 --> 01:49:48,107
Speaker 3: away from three. We're back after this with some more regularly.

2062
01:49:49,507 --> 01:49:50,587
Speaker 2: You be the TMO.

2063
01:49:50,867 --> 01:49:53,227
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2064
01:49:53,427 --> 01:49:56,267
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Hin and GJ.

2065
01:49:56,467 --> 01:49:59,907
Speaker 2: Garvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home Builder News talks.

2066
01:49:59,907 --> 01:50:02,587
Speaker 3: They'd be two thirty nine News talks. He'd be Week

2067
01:50:02,667 --> 01:50:06,267
Speaker 3: one of the NRL Finals. Underway qualifying final last night,

2068
01:50:06,907 --> 01:50:09,587
Speaker 3: Kenny Back's back, Cleary early.

2069
01:50:09,467 --> 01:50:11,907
Speaker 2: Kick, here they come, here, they come.

2070
01:50:12,107 --> 01:50:16,787
Speaker 14: Turnner again and here surely how can I an another

2071
01:50:16,907 --> 01:50:21,867
Speaker 14: prolibinary final? Canaan's got two, another moment.

2072
01:50:21,587 --> 01:50:22,707
Speaker 8: Of prairie brilliant.

2073
01:50:23,267 --> 01:50:27,627
Speaker 3: Yeah, Panthers thirty Roosters ten. A bit of a hiding really,

2074
01:50:27,747 --> 01:50:30,387
Speaker 3: and all based on a first half performance which just

2075
01:50:30,467 --> 01:50:32,707
Speaker 3: blew the Roosters away. Brad Walter joins us one of

2076
01:50:32,707 --> 01:50:37,587
Speaker 3: the more respected voices and pens or keyboards we should

2077
01:50:37,587 --> 01:50:40,147
Speaker 3: probably say in rugby league in this part of the world.

2078
01:50:40,187 --> 01:50:43,667
Speaker 3: Brad twenty two to nil after twenty three minutes last

2079
01:50:43,707 --> 01:50:45,547
Speaker 3: night to the Panthers. It's basically done in, dusted, The

2080
01:50:45,547 --> 01:50:48,987
Speaker 3: game's almost gone. Why were the Roosters so slow out

2081
01:50:48,987 --> 01:50:49,907
Speaker 3: of the block last night?

2082
01:50:50,907 --> 01:50:51,907
Speaker 5: I think there's two things.

2083
01:50:51,987 --> 01:50:54,067
Speaker 16: Yeah, the Roosters were slow out of the blox.

2084
01:50:54,107 --> 01:50:55,027
Speaker 5: They look shell shocked.

2085
01:50:55,787 --> 01:50:59,147
Speaker 16: But the Panthers also were like very very good, very

2086
01:50:59,187 --> 01:51:02,347
Speaker 16: good with Nathan Cleary back and like he ran the show,

2087
01:51:03,107 --> 01:51:05,907
Speaker 16: and the Panthers turning to arguably their best performance of

2088
01:51:05,947 --> 01:51:09,427
Speaker 16: the season, or certainly for quite some time, people have

2089
01:51:09,507 --> 01:51:13,107
Speaker 16: been concerned that the Panthers have been flat, you know,

2090
01:51:13,307 --> 01:51:16,227
Speaker 16: and haven't looked sort of maybe as hungry as they have.

2091
01:51:16,307 --> 01:51:16,987
Speaker 5: In past years.

2092
01:51:17,227 --> 01:51:19,907
Speaker 16: But they certainly came out last night looking like the

2093
01:51:19,987 --> 01:51:24,387
Speaker 16: team to beat in the finals series. The Roosters, unfortunately,

2094
01:51:24,587 --> 01:51:28,587
Speaker 16: have had some serious injuries. The key players Brandon Smith,

2095
01:51:29,387 --> 01:51:32,867
Speaker 16: Sam Walker in particular, no Victor Radley, no Jed Jared

2096
01:51:32,947 --> 01:51:37,067
Speaker 16: were our hard graves, so you know, they were obviously

2097
01:51:37,187 --> 01:51:39,947
Speaker 16: under strength. But as I said, key players, two key forwards,

2098
01:51:40,187 --> 01:51:44,227
Speaker 16: too aggressive forwards in were our hard Graves and Radley,

2099
01:51:44,547 --> 01:51:48,147
Speaker 16: and obviously they're half back and their hooker. So you know,

2100
01:51:48,387 --> 01:51:50,187
Speaker 16: it's a big It's going to be a big ask

2101
01:51:50,267 --> 01:51:53,387
Speaker 16: for the Roosters. Everyone knew that before this game. I

2102
01:51:53,467 --> 01:51:56,507
Speaker 16: think most people expected that penriff Wood win. But yeah,

2103
01:51:56,507 --> 01:51:58,907
Speaker 16: it was the way that the way that they started,

2104
01:52:00,067 --> 01:52:02,107
Speaker 16: the way that both teams started to be honest, I

2105
01:52:02,147 --> 01:52:05,507
Speaker 16: think took everyone by surprise. And I think, yeah, most

2106
01:52:05,547 --> 01:52:09,267
Speaker 16: people are thinking now that you know the Roosters, they'll

2107
01:52:09,307 --> 01:52:11,067
Speaker 16: play the winner of the Bulldogs.

2108
01:52:11,147 --> 01:52:14,587
Speaker 11: Manly, you know, they may not like they.

2109
01:52:14,587 --> 01:52:16,547
Speaker 16: May go out in straight sets. They might lose again.

2110
01:52:16,867 --> 01:52:19,027
Speaker 16: It's hard to see them winning again next week, although

2111
01:52:19,067 --> 01:52:22,627
Speaker 16: were our Hargraves is back from suspension for possibly his

2112
01:52:22,787 --> 01:52:26,347
Speaker 16: last ever game in the NRL. But yeah, they won't

2113
01:52:26,347 --> 01:52:29,667
Speaker 16: have Walker or Smith but Smith back there, both out

2114
01:52:29,747 --> 01:52:32,227
Speaker 16: with ACL injuries and the Panthers they've got a week

2115
01:52:32,307 --> 01:52:34,907
Speaker 16: off now and they're just basically sitting there there, one

2116
01:52:34,987 --> 01:52:38,027
Speaker 16: win away from a fifth Grand Final, fifth consecutive Grand Final.

2117
01:52:38,147 --> 01:52:41,227
Speaker 16: It's it's an incredible effort and I don't think it's

2118
01:52:41,347 --> 01:52:44,747
Speaker 16: been done since maybe the sixties when Saint George won

2119
01:52:44,827 --> 01:52:45,947
Speaker 16: eleven premierships in a row.

2120
01:52:46,107 --> 01:52:48,827
Speaker 3: Yeah, incredible from the Panthers. Just on Nathan Cleary, he

2121
01:52:48,987 --> 01:52:51,307
Speaker 3: had quite a time out with injury during the season,

2122
01:52:51,347 --> 01:52:53,547
Speaker 3: didn't he came back? What about round twenty? From memory,

2123
01:52:53,747 --> 01:52:55,467
Speaker 3: he's been out again with a bit of a shoulder.

2124
01:52:56,347 --> 01:52:58,147
Speaker 3: How did he look last night? Is he was he

2125
01:52:58,187 --> 01:52:58,787
Speaker 3: one hundred percent?

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Speaker 7: I mean?

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01:52:59,267 --> 01:53:00,147
Speaker 3: Or did he not need to be?

2128
01:53:02,307 --> 01:53:04,427
Speaker 5: He's really he's as good as he needs to be.

2129
01:53:04,547 --> 01:53:08,667
Speaker 16: I don't know if he's one hundred percent, and he's

2130
01:53:08,707 --> 01:53:11,267
Speaker 16: probably not, but he's as good as he needs to be. Look,

2131
01:53:11,387 --> 01:53:14,427
Speaker 16: let's remember what he did in the Grand Final last year.

2132
01:53:14,467 --> 01:53:16,267
Speaker 16: In that last twenty minutes when he turned the game

2133
01:53:16,347 --> 01:53:18,147
Speaker 16: on its head, when he looked like Brisbane and we're

2134
01:53:18,187 --> 01:53:21,067
Speaker 16: going to win. And then Nathan Cleary absolutely took control

2135
01:53:21,107 --> 01:53:23,387
Speaker 16: of that game. He was playing them with a busted shoulders.

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01:53:23,427 --> 01:53:26,427
Speaker 16: So he doesn't need to be fully fit, he just

2137
01:53:26,507 --> 01:53:28,467
Speaker 16: needs to be fit enough to be out there. I

2138
01:53:28,547 --> 01:53:32,467
Speaker 16: watched him train briefly during earlier in the week, and

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01:53:32,747 --> 01:53:36,907
Speaker 16: to be honest, I didn't think he looked completely or

2140
01:53:36,947 --> 01:53:40,667
Speaker 16: certainly didn't think he looked one hundred percent fit From

2141
01:53:40,867 --> 01:53:43,667
Speaker 16: just what I saw, I thought, but maybe they'll even

2142
01:53:43,707 --> 01:53:47,027
Speaker 16: rest him for another week. It wasn't sudden death for them.

2143
01:53:47,107 --> 01:53:50,667
Speaker 16: But look, he came out and played and he didn't

2144
01:53:50,667 --> 01:53:52,307
Speaker 16: miss a beat or would looked like he just hadn't

2145
01:53:52,307 --> 01:53:52,867
Speaker 16: been out at all.

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01:53:52,907 --> 01:53:53,827
Speaker 5: He just picked up where.

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01:53:53,707 --> 01:53:55,827
Speaker 16: He'd left off, back to his best, and they just

2148
01:53:55,867 --> 01:54:01,107
Speaker 16: looked energized. The Panthers GRESSI forwards led by James Fisher,

2149
01:54:01,147 --> 01:54:04,627
Speaker 16: Harris and Liam Martin, you know, in a really really

2150
01:54:05,147 --> 01:54:08,307
Speaker 16: slip back line Bylan Edwards at the back and obviously

2151
01:54:08,947 --> 01:54:12,747
Speaker 16: Leui and Cleary sort of calling the shots there. Yes,

2152
01:54:12,867 --> 01:54:14,627
Speaker 16: I said, they now look like the team to beat,

2153
01:54:14,707 --> 01:54:17,507
Speaker 16: but there's three more games. This weekend, and once we

2154
01:54:17,627 --> 01:54:21,387
Speaker 16: see the Melbourne Storm, for example, play later on today,

2155
01:54:21,547 --> 01:54:23,667
Speaker 16: we might have a different view and.

2156
01:54:23,867 --> 01:54:25,067
Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a seat. But let's go

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Speaker 3: to the sixty seven elimination final this evening or early

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01:54:30,067 --> 01:54:34,387
Speaker 3: evening Bulldogs Seagulls bat That game's tomorrow. That's who the

2159
01:54:34,467 --> 01:54:37,787
Speaker 3: Roosters will play the winner of Bulldogs see Eagles. Let's

2160
01:54:37,947 --> 01:54:40,267
Speaker 3: go with that game. Though. Sixty seven always a bit

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01:54:40,347 --> 01:54:42,067
Speaker 3: hard to pick. Which way do you think this one

2162
01:54:42,187 --> 01:54:42,467
Speaker 3: is going?

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01:54:43,467 --> 01:54:43,627
Speaker 8: Well?

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01:54:43,747 --> 01:54:47,387
Speaker 16: Just on form lines, I'm leaning towards the Seagles. They

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01:54:48,427 --> 01:54:52,427
Speaker 16: they played the Bulldogs only two weeks ago and they

2166
01:54:52,467 --> 01:54:56,387
Speaker 16: were just too too be, too strong, too.

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Speaker 5: Good, if you know.

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Speaker 16: Basically, they just dominated in the forwards and they steam

2169
01:55:02,507 --> 01:55:04,947
Speaker 16: rolled their forwards and I sort of think, okay, that's

2170
01:55:04,947 --> 01:55:07,467
Speaker 16: the blue that's the blue print of work for Manly.

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01:55:07,587 --> 01:55:10,987
Speaker 16: As I said two weeks ago against the Bulldogs, you know,

2172
01:55:11,107 --> 01:55:12,667
Speaker 16: they're at full full strength.

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01:55:12,827 --> 01:55:14,187
Speaker 5: They've got Tom.

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Speaker 16: Travoyevitch backs of this match. You know, Cherry Evans is,

2175
01:55:18,747 --> 01:55:21,507
Speaker 16: you know, he's probably arguably in the best form of

2176
01:55:21,587 --> 01:55:23,707
Speaker 16: his career and he certainly he might have been as

2177
01:55:23,787 --> 01:55:26,867
Speaker 16: quick as he as he was, but he's he's smart,

2178
01:55:27,307 --> 01:55:30,147
Speaker 16: and he'll run the show and he'll he'll get his

2179
01:55:30,227 --> 01:55:31,547
Speaker 16: forwards to do the work they need to do.

2180
01:55:31,587 --> 01:55:32,587
Speaker 5: He will play off the back of it.

2181
01:55:32,707 --> 01:55:37,427
Speaker 16: He's got a fantastic kicking game, you know, certainly maybe

2182
01:55:37,507 --> 01:55:39,467
Speaker 16: the long the best long kicking game in the NRL.

2183
01:55:39,987 --> 01:55:43,187
Speaker 16: So he can kick them out of trouble, great field position,

2184
01:55:43,347 --> 01:55:45,867
Speaker 16: and has said they've got Tom Tom Travoyevich and you

2185
01:55:45,907 --> 01:55:48,987
Speaker 16: know some other really really good backs. So I just

2186
01:55:49,107 --> 01:55:52,067
Speaker 16: think maybe Manly, I think maybe the Bulldogs. They've lost

2187
01:55:52,107 --> 01:55:54,867
Speaker 16: their last two games, including that one against Manly, they

2188
01:55:54,947 --> 01:55:57,867
Speaker 16: haven't looked great. And you know, a few weeks ago,

2189
01:55:58,067 --> 01:55:59,907
Speaker 16: I think there was a lot of momentum and the

2190
01:55:59,947 --> 01:56:02,427
Speaker 16: Bulldogs looked, as I said, you know, they looked like

2191
01:56:02,467 --> 01:56:04,667
Speaker 16: a team that could make a run for the for

2192
01:56:04,747 --> 01:56:06,267
Speaker 16: the finals from outside the top four.

2193
01:56:06,507 --> 01:56:07,667
Speaker 5: But yeah, what we've said in.

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01:56:07,627 --> 01:56:10,267
Speaker 16: The last two weeks, I think maybe they might have

2195
01:56:10,707 --> 01:56:13,587
Speaker 16: you know that like, they've probably exceeded expectations and if

2196
01:56:13,587 --> 01:56:16,107
Speaker 16: they were if they lose this game, I don't think

2197
01:56:16,147 --> 01:56:19,107
Speaker 16: anybody associated with the club to be disappointed. And I think,

2198
01:56:19,867 --> 01:56:22,187
Speaker 16: you know, whereas I think Manly have probably got higher

2199
01:56:22,227 --> 01:56:25,747
Speaker 16: aspirations and can challenge for the premiership.

2200
01:56:25,867 --> 01:56:28,747
Speaker 3: All right, five past six tomorrow New Zealand Time, second

2201
01:56:28,827 --> 01:56:32,547
Speaker 3: qualifying Finals tonight Storm v Sharks one v four. That's

2202
01:56:32,587 --> 01:56:35,427
Speaker 3: five past six, New Zealand Time, Amy Park in Melbourne.

2203
01:56:36,027 --> 01:56:38,787
Speaker 3: What would the Sharks have to do really well if

2204
01:56:38,827 --> 01:56:39,867
Speaker 3: they're going to win this tonight?

2205
01:56:40,507 --> 01:56:43,107
Speaker 16: Everything when you play the Melbourne Store and you've got

2206
01:56:43,147 --> 01:56:44,387
Speaker 16: to play to the best of your ability and you

2207
01:56:44,547 --> 01:56:47,147
Speaker 16: need to need all of your players to do that.

2208
01:56:47,347 --> 01:56:49,307
Speaker 16: But look, the Sharks are in good form as well.

2209
01:56:50,267 --> 01:56:52,147
Speaker 16: You know, they've got all their troops back on deck

2210
01:56:52,867 --> 01:56:54,707
Speaker 16: at the right time of the season, or most of them,

2211
01:56:54,747 --> 01:56:57,387
Speaker 16: although although Rummy and He's out in the centers, but

2212
01:56:58,107 --> 01:57:01,627
Speaker 16: they're still at a very strong team. Nick O Hines

2213
01:57:01,667 --> 01:57:06,067
Speaker 16: and Brayden Trindle back to lead the team around back together.

2214
01:57:07,307 --> 01:57:10,627
Speaker 16: The Sharks didn't beat the Storm down in Melbourne. It

2215
01:57:10,747 --> 01:57:13,667
Speaker 16: doesn't happen very often. It's happened twice this year and

2216
01:57:13,707 --> 01:57:15,667
Speaker 16: the Sharks did it, and they did it pretty comprehensively

2217
01:57:16,187 --> 01:57:18,067
Speaker 16: earlier in the season. So I give them a chance.

2218
01:57:18,107 --> 01:57:20,907
Speaker 16: They'd be confident they'll go down there. As I said,

2219
01:57:20,947 --> 01:57:23,427
Speaker 16: they're playing good football at the right time of the year.

2220
01:57:24,347 --> 01:57:27,227
Speaker 16: They've played a lot of games without key players, as

2221
01:57:27,347 --> 01:57:29,947
Speaker 16: is the Melbourne Storm, and that's what's so impressive about them.

2222
01:57:30,027 --> 01:57:32,627
Speaker 16: But as I said, the Sharks, they've done that, they

2223
01:57:32,707 --> 01:57:35,867
Speaker 16: spent they played a fair bit of Mickey Wines has

2224
01:57:35,907 --> 01:57:37,627
Speaker 16: been out for quite a while and Braden Trindle has

2225
01:57:37,707 --> 01:57:40,907
Speaker 16: really stepped up. Daniel Atkinson as well when he was there,

2226
01:57:40,947 --> 01:57:45,347
Speaker 16: so he's going to be on the bench tonight has said, yeah,

2227
01:57:45,387 --> 01:57:47,347
Speaker 16: I think I'll give the Sharks a chance, but it's

2228
01:57:47,387 --> 01:57:49,587
Speaker 16: going to be really hard to do this down in Melbourne.

2229
01:57:49,587 --> 01:57:54,267
Speaker 16: And look, Melbourne have got Ryan Papenhausen back. Munster and

2230
01:57:54,507 --> 01:57:56,347
Speaker 16: Hughes have had a few games together now along with

2231
01:57:56,467 --> 01:57:59,627
Speaker 16: Harry Grant, so they've got their key players back on deck.

2232
01:57:59,707 --> 01:58:01,907
Speaker 16: It hasn't happened very often. I think they might have

2233
01:58:01,947 --> 01:58:04,347
Speaker 16: played eight games together this season, which is about a

2234
01:58:04,427 --> 01:58:07,587
Speaker 16: third or third of the season. Those key spying players.

2235
01:58:08,547 --> 01:58:11,867
Speaker 16: Jerome Hughes is in career best form. He's the favorite

2236
01:58:11,907 --> 01:58:15,947
Speaker 16: for the dally M Medal. Monster and that really, you know,

2237
01:58:16,027 --> 01:58:18,747
Speaker 16: that means they're not relying on Monster. That means and

2238
01:58:18,827 --> 01:58:20,467
Speaker 16: they and they haven't. He's missed a lot of football.

2239
01:58:20,467 --> 01:58:23,547
Speaker 16: He's only played fourteen games this year, but Monster's back.

2240
01:58:23,787 --> 01:58:26,667
Speaker 16: He's a dangerous player if if if you've got to

2241
01:58:26,947 --> 01:58:28,627
Speaker 16: you know, if Jerome Hughes is running the show, then

2242
01:58:28,667 --> 01:58:31,987
Speaker 16: Camera Munster can just do you know, pop up when

2243
01:58:32,027 --> 01:58:35,987
Speaker 16: he needs to and and and he's always a threat.

2244
01:58:36,467 --> 01:58:39,707
Speaker 16: Harry Grant, you know, arguably the best hooker in the NRL.

2245
01:58:40,187 --> 01:58:43,107
Speaker 16: And then Ryan Papenhausen at the back, who if once

2246
01:58:43,187 --> 01:58:44,787
Speaker 16: he gets in a little bit of open space, he's

2247
01:58:44,907 --> 01:58:47,427
Speaker 16: very hard to stop. Xavier coaches on the wing will

2248
01:58:47,587 --> 01:58:49,787
Speaker 16: Warbricks have got two big tour wingers that they can

2249
01:58:50,187 --> 01:58:52,707
Speaker 16: they can kick too, and a forward pack that just

2250
01:58:53,307 --> 01:58:56,867
Speaker 16: he's probably you know a lot of underrated players or

2251
01:58:56,947 --> 01:59:00,147
Speaker 16: unheralded players in that forward packing, but they all do

2252
01:59:00,227 --> 01:59:02,427
Speaker 16: their job. And that's the thing with like the Melbourne Storm,

2253
01:59:02,507 --> 01:59:05,387
Speaker 16: doesn't matter who plays for them, they turn up and

2254
01:59:05,427 --> 01:59:08,707
Speaker 16: they compete every during the season. They won a lot

2255
01:59:08,747 --> 01:59:12,867
Speaker 16: of close games, really close games, one and two point matches,

2256
01:59:12,907 --> 01:59:15,907
Speaker 16: even games that they snatched at the death, so you know,

2257
01:59:16,507 --> 01:59:18,827
Speaker 16: it doesn't matter how tight the game is, you know

2258
01:59:18,907 --> 01:59:20,547
Speaker 16: they're always going to be in the contest.

2259
01:59:20,627 --> 01:59:22,547
Speaker 7: So I think this is going to be a ripping game.

2260
01:59:22,667 --> 01:59:25,747
Speaker 3: And later to night elimination final up in Townsville Cowboys.

2261
01:59:25,827 --> 01:59:28,267
Speaker 3: Knights North Queensland win this, don't they?

2262
01:59:28,867 --> 01:59:29,307
Speaker 5: I think so.

2263
01:59:29,467 --> 01:59:32,667
Speaker 16: I think it's you know, it's hard to win. It's

2264
01:59:32,667 --> 01:59:34,507
Speaker 16: hard to travel to North Queensland and get a win,

2265
01:59:34,667 --> 01:59:36,587
Speaker 16: especially at this time of the year when you're you know,

2266
01:59:36,747 --> 01:59:39,307
Speaker 16: in the sudden death finals match the Knights played, I

2267
01:59:39,387 --> 01:59:42,707
Speaker 16: think they played there, you know, grand finals so to speak.

2268
01:59:43,147 --> 01:59:45,907
Speaker 16: Last Sunday they played the Dolphins in the last match

2269
01:59:45,947 --> 01:59:49,027
Speaker 16: of the round, which was effectively well it was a

2270
01:59:49,107 --> 01:59:50,267
Speaker 16: playoff eighth spot win.

2271
01:59:50,347 --> 01:59:52,107
Speaker 5: A winner got eighth spots.

2272
01:59:52,147 --> 01:59:54,587
Speaker 16: So the Knights they won that game, you know, that

2273
01:59:54,787 --> 01:59:56,547
Speaker 16: was But now they've got to go and play an actual,

2274
01:59:57,147 --> 01:59:59,707
Speaker 16: real sudden death game. You know, they just qualified to

2275
01:59:59,827 --> 02:00:02,227
Speaker 16: play in sudden de football and now now they have

2276
02:00:02,347 --> 02:00:05,187
Speaker 16: got a sudden death game. They've got to travel to Townsville.

2277
02:00:05,467 --> 02:00:07,467
Speaker 16: They're getting a chart flight up there, but it's still

2278
02:00:07,507 --> 02:00:11,307
Speaker 16: you know, it's still three or four hours to Townsville

2279
02:00:11,387 --> 02:00:16,347
Speaker 16: from from Newcastle. You know, the humidity I think will

2280
02:00:16,347 --> 02:00:18,187
Speaker 16: be quite high up there, and the crowd will be

2281
02:00:18,347 --> 02:00:21,707
Speaker 16: totally against them. And you know, Newcastle they stuck into

2282
02:00:21,747 --> 02:00:23,667
Speaker 16: the eighth with a couple of wins at home at

2283
02:00:23,667 --> 02:00:26,547
Speaker 16: the end of the season. They've got great support in Newcastle,

2284
02:00:26,667 --> 02:00:28,347
Speaker 16: They're not going to have much support in Townsville and

2285
02:00:29,867 --> 02:00:31,787
Speaker 16: they do get behind the Cowboys up there as well,

2286
02:00:31,827 --> 02:00:34,987
Speaker 16: who I think are playing. You know, they've started to

2287
02:00:35,307 --> 02:00:36,987
Speaker 16: find their best football at the right time of the

2288
02:00:37,067 --> 02:00:39,827
Speaker 16: year as well. So it's only a month or so

2289
02:00:39,947 --> 02:00:42,307
Speaker 16: ago that Todd Payton made a big call to drop

2290
02:00:42,387 --> 02:00:44,627
Speaker 16: Chad Towns in and bring Jake Clickett in the half back.

2291
02:00:44,707 --> 02:00:47,667
Speaker 16: And since then that you know, they've they've really got

2292
02:00:47,707 --> 02:00:49,827
Speaker 16: on a roll and that's turned out of the master

2293
02:00:49,867 --> 02:00:50,827
Speaker 16: stroke by Todd Payton.

2294
02:00:51,267 --> 02:00:54,027
Speaker 3: Final football nothing like it. Always enjoyed chatting league with

2295
02:00:54,067 --> 02:00:55,187
Speaker 3: your Brad. Things for taking the time.

2296
02:00:55,707 --> 02:00:57,667
Speaker 16: Hey, likewise, Piney enjoy the footy.

2297
02:00:57,787 --> 02:00:59,387
Speaker 3: I enjoy it too, Brown, I know you will. It's

2298
02:00:59,547 --> 02:01:01,827
Speaker 3: a week one of the finals, Brand Walter. They're joining

2299
02:01:01,907 --> 02:01:05,667
Speaker 3: US Panthers thirty Roosters teen last night SA Panthers into

2300
02:01:05,707 --> 02:01:09,667
Speaker 3: the preliminary final. The Roosters, meantime, will wait a week

2301
02:01:10,107 --> 02:01:13,507
Speaker 3: and play the winner of the Bulldogs. See Eagles game tomorrow.

2302
02:01:13,667 --> 02:01:16,947
Speaker 3: Two games today, Storm Sharks at five past six and

2303
02:01:17,107 --> 02:01:22,347
Speaker 3: Cowboys Knights at nine fifty Tonight the first of Laose games.

2304
02:01:22,387 --> 02:01:24,907
Speaker 3: The Storm Sharks is a qualifying final, so the winner

2305
02:01:24,947 --> 02:01:27,587
Speaker 3: will go through to the preliminary final. The loser will

2306
02:01:27,627 --> 02:01:29,947
Speaker 3: get a second crack next week against the winner of

2307
02:01:30,027 --> 02:01:33,027
Speaker 3: the Cowboys Nights game up in Townsville. Also just a

2308
02:01:33,227 --> 02:01:35,067
Speaker 3: caught wind of the fact that there could be a

2309
02:01:35,187 --> 02:01:39,947
Speaker 3: long time record about to fall in Timuka. South Canterbury

2310
02:01:40,067 --> 02:01:43,147
Speaker 3: are on the verge of their first Heartland Championship defeat

2311
02:01:43,667 --> 02:01:47,267
Speaker 3: since the twenty nineteen season. They have had thirty five

2312
02:01:47,387 --> 02:01:50,667
Speaker 3: straight wins in the time since. But just checking in

2313
02:01:50,947 --> 02:01:54,787
Speaker 3: on the later score from their match against North Otago,

2314
02:01:55,467 --> 02:01:57,467
Speaker 3: they are actually they've come back. They were twenty eight

2315
02:01:57,507 --> 02:02:00,707
Speaker 3: to five down, they're now twenty eight to seventeen down

2316
02:02:00,747 --> 02:02:04,507
Speaker 3: at halftime, so they've got a couple of late tries

2317
02:02:04,547 --> 02:02:07,507
Speaker 3: in the first half. But history could be in the

2318
02:02:07,547 --> 02:02:11,507
Speaker 3: offing there as far as South Canterbury are concerned. And

2319
02:02:11,587 --> 02:02:14,147
Speaker 3: the Bunnings MPC halftime in totong A Bay of Plenty

2320
02:02:14,267 --> 02:02:17,827
Speaker 3: lead Taulaanucky by fourteen points to ten nine away from three.

2321
02:02:17,907 --> 02:02:20,067
Speaker 3: News Talks AB when it's.

2322
02:02:19,947 --> 02:02:21,947
Speaker 1: Down to the line, if you made a call on

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Speaker 1: n eighty ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Hine, News.

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Speaker 3: TALKSB five and a half away from three. That's us

2325
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Speaker 3: on Weekend Sport four Today. Tim Beverage is on your

2326
02:02:31,947 --> 02:02:34,827
Speaker 3: radio after three o'clock with the Saturday edition of the

2327
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Speaker 3: Weekend Collective. We are back though, don't worry or worry,

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Speaker 3: I guess as the case may be. We're back tomorrow

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Speaker 3: between midday and three for the Sunday edition, building towards

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Speaker 3: a ran Furly Shield defense which really will test the

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Speaker 3: new holders Tasman well into the coming to town played

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Speaker 3: six one six Tasman have played five one five. It

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Speaker 3: could hardly be set up any better. A sold out

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Speaker 3: Landsdown Park in Blenham Tomorrow afternoon. We're built towards that,

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Speaker 3: and Hamish Kerr is going to join US Olympic gold

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Speaker 3: medalist in the high jump, reliving that wonderful night in

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Speaker 3: Harrah's from seven eight weeks or so ago. So that

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Speaker 3: miss Hamish curR on the show tomorrow, plus bit a

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Speaker 3: cricket for you and other bits and pieces too huge

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Speaker 3: thanks to Andy McDonald's producing the show. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: listening in and taking part. What's our exit song today?

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Speaker 5: Mate?

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Speaker 20: Well you know I didn't really have one until you

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Speaker 20: mentioned the score in the South Canibury north Otaga game.

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Speaker 20: Incredible record for South Canerbary. So I figured the one

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Speaker 20: song I could think of that had the name Timaru

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Speaker 20: in it. So I've gone for the famed Daja Voodoo

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Speaker 20: hits Today tomorrow Timuru. It's an absolute bang of piney.

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Speaker 3: I don't mind it. I don't mind it. We'll see tomorrow, leaving.

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Speaker 11: This temping good bye.

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Speaker 3: Since you love me, how can I be happy?

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Speaker 2: Here for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine.

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Speaker 1: Listen live to news Talks it Be weekends from midday,

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