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Speaker 1: Hilda. I'm Chelsea Daniels and This is the Front Page,

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Speaker 1: a daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. While

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four may not have brought the shocks of cyclones,

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Speaker 1: prime ministerial resignations or election campaigns, there's a lot to

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Speaker 1: digest from the last year. The government delivered tax relief,

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Speaker 1: controversy over Maulti relations, smoking laws and apartment entitlements. Tibatti

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Speaker 1: Maldi led the fight against the Treaty Principal's Bill, while

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Speaker 1: Labor began to rebuild from its election loss and the

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Speaker 1: Greens contended with rogue MPs and personal tragedy. Inflation started

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Speaker 1: to fall, but a tough economy saw thousands loose their jobs,

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Speaker 1: including the end of iconic news brands, Maulti dam farewell

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Speaker 1: a King and welcomed a new Queen, while the British

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Speaker 1: monarchy was dealt a double cancer below. Globally, conflict continued

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Speaker 1: across Ukraine and Gaza, while the year of elections delivered

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Speaker 1: to hold space for brat Summer Wicked, the Menendez Brothers

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Speaker 1: and the Errors Tour. Today on the front page for

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Speaker 1: our final episode of twenty twenty four, we're discussing all

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Speaker 1: the highs and lows of the year with Coast host

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Speaker 1: Lorna Riley and Enzied Herald business editor at Lange, Liam Dan.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with politics. One year in and the Coalition

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Speaker 1: government has achieved a lot, but it doesn't feel like

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Speaker 1: their successes have cut through their more controversial policies. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and we've seen multiple polls show doing a pretty even

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Speaker 1: split between the two sides. Lorna, what are you hearing

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Speaker 1: from callers? Are people liking this government?

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Speaker 2: I think the consensus is that they are achieving a

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Speaker 2: number of things, but they seem to be things that

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Speaker 2: nobody asked for. Cell phone bans and schools, for example.

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Speaker 2: I know they say there was a great call from

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Speaker 2: schools and children apparently, but it seems to be not

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Speaker 2: that way at all. My daughter is using her phone

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Speaker 2: at school. They're all doing it undercover. It's all the

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Speaker 2: book camps. I probably don't need to go into details

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Speaker 2: about those. Nobody really asked for those, and they don't

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Speaker 2: necessarily seem to be working raising speed limits on certain roads. Again,

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Speaker 2: I don't recall great lobbying for that, changing Waka Kotahi

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Speaker 1: Work them around.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that was necessarily a priority. All these things.

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Speaker 2: They've been in doing all these things, but nobody really

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Speaker 2: asked for them. And I'm pretty sure nobody asked for

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Speaker 2: one point four billion dollars to be from our health sector.

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Speaker 2: But nevertheless, here we are. So they've certainly been busy.

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Speaker 2: I'll give them that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Liam, do you reckon? They've been busy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I agree with Lorna. I think they've been

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Speaker 3: chipping away incrementally at some pretty important things for the economy.

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Speaker 3: So business will say great, there's been some regulations shifted

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Speaker 3: you know, getting the fiscal situation under control to some extent,

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Speaker 3: but they're still getting beaten up by the right and

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Speaker 3: the left on that because they're not going as far

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Speaker 4: Get caught there.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's sort of it's all been overshadowed a

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Speaker 3: policies that they've had to do for the coalition partners.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the Treaty Principles bill stands out to me

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Speaker 3: and obviously it's sort of David Seymour thinks it works

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Speaker 1: Well it's unclear that that was even one of act's

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Speaker 3: But saw of the latest polls and was he the

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I think ACT.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's there's plenty of things ACT could be

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Speaker 1: Well, Liam, what are you hearing from the business community,

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, because ident to get so use the

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Speaker 3: Inflation is under control, whether you say, you know, Nikola Willison,

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Speaker 4: Und percent of people say you're out of time.

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Speaker 5: Well I just say to you, I think I am,

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Speaker 5: done that right from when I've come to politics. It's

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Speaker 5: and their concerns are really play back in. It's interesting

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Speaker 4: That word though, Ay you just used the c word customer.

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Speaker 5: Well, just because of my background of it, when you've

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Speaker 4: Do you need to ditch down on him?

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Speaker 1: Just talk a little bit more normally. Prime Minister Christopher

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Speaker 2: Oh? Oh, I'd say you've got a problem. For a start,

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Speaker 1: That was unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable, And when your deputy says that the tax cuts

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Speaker 2: I'd probably give him a I think a six, maybe

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Speaker 2: but he hasn't shown it. I don't think any decisive leadership.

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Speaker 2: He's come out with some I think fatuous statements, like

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Speaker 4: Liam yeah somewhere around that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I do feel some sympathy for him, because

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Speaker 3: and so he is used to things being organized around

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Speaker 2: So unfortunately for him though he you know, in recent memory,

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Speaker 2: we've had John Key, who also was not a career politician,

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Speaker 4: Is a tough comparison.

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Speaker 3: by making split decisions, trusting his gart learning how to

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Speaker 3: sort of make calls. I don't think Christoph Luxe is

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Speaker 3: great is probably articulating it really strong, too much corporate gobbledygook.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the corporate speak. Actually I spoke to Christopher

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Speaker 1: I cannot be the first person to let you know

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Speaker 3: We talked about that in advance and I thought he

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Speaker 2: Sure, you know, And that's part of but never noticed apparently.

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Speaker 1: To my mind, the opposition in recent memory has just

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: of makes sense given the mood of the public that

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Speaker 2: Well, you know that was on your watch here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and people are pretty unhappy about it. So

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of division, we're a month away from Trump

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Speaker 6: It freaky news. The alleged CEO killer Luigi Manngoni denied

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Speaker 2: What do you think it.

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Speaker 1: Says about us as a society and where it's at

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 2: Having said that, it's hard for New Zealanders with our

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Speaker 1: And do you think it's this generation that we're hearing

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Speaker 3: But isn't the problem the fact that they can actually

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Speaker 4: Kids are idiots.

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Speaker 2: No offense to kids, but I'm educated. Now they've got that.

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Speaker 3: Now they get a platform, and yeah, it's right and

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Speaker 2: Lot of point hit the whole TikTok trend around how

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Speaker 4: He didn't turn out to be as hot as it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to say that, but yes, all the photos.

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Speaker 4: Because when he wears that, yeah he had a good

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Speaker 4: he's a nice smile.

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Speaker 2: He's got a great smile. But when they I thought

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Speaker 1: I love how out of the three of us, Liam,

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Speaker 2: Just had cross my just impact.

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Speaker 4: I don't support the guy.

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Speaker 1: So if we get into some quick fires, now, first,

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Speaker 2: I really think the Coleman family are to be celebrated.

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Speaker 2: They're the Paquihar family from up north who regifted the

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Speaker 2: confiscated wrongly I'm trying to think of another word, but

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Speaker 1: Well interesting. My next question Liam is do you have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to be more a bit more esoteric

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Speaker 3: May be my villain's Elon Musk, because he's sort of

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I just sick a death of AI. Low

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Speaker 5: I'm not just Maga, I'm dog gothic Maga. Vote Early vote.

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Speaker 3: Now, America's just not not It's just going to be great.

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Speaker 5: America is going to reach heights that it has never

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Speaker 4: The future is gonna be amazing.

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Speaker 2: I'm taking it more literally. I'm thinking of the guy

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Speaker 2: of course, he's every year's standard favorite villain. Nettan Yahoo controversial,

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Speaker 2: but that's what I'm going to put that out there

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Speaker 4: Them strong men.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and men men, this whole, this whole thing. And

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Speaker 3: then unfortunately it's been a year where they've kind of

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Speaker 2: And they're almost allowed to the world is kind of going,

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Speaker 2: what can we do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going, oh, look, look they've got inflation under

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Speaker 3: control Argentina, and then you read about it and it's

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Speaker 3: actually pretty.

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Speaker 2: Rough, yeah, dire.

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Speaker 1: But Trump's mates with a couple of them.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, because he believes in a world where he

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Speaker 3: everything out between mates, and you know, we're all supposed

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Speaker 3: to trust them.

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Speaker 1: So we love ending on predictions here on the front page.

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Speaker 1: What's one thing that you both think will happen next year.

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Speaker 2: Or something that you'd like to see happen? Lorna, I

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Speaker 2: think we're going to see more severe weather events. So

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Speaker 2: that's my definitely going to happen, and my wishful I

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Speaker 2: hope it's going to happen. Is some meaningful discourse on

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Speaker 2: capital gains tax, even if it's amongst opposition ranks. I

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Speaker 2: don't expect it to be amongst government ranks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think something a bit more transformational from the government.

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Speaker 3: They've something that really lifts the economy. So the economy

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Speaker 3: I'm predicting is going to go much better in twenty

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Speaker 3: two five. And that's not rocket sciences it I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, but it's looking like a fairly flat recovery.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to be an economic boom. So something

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Speaker 3: bigger needs to be done. I'd like to see the

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Speaker 3: government look at like they're talking about what they might

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Speaker 3: do with overseas investment, with investment and infrastructure, all those

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Speaker 3: sort of things, because the government can't afford it. So

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Speaker 3: I think we're going to see more public private partnership

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Speaker 3: and maybe if they can twist Winston's arm, look at

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Speaker 3: bringing some foreign capital into this country. So yeah, I

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Speaker 3: predict that that's where they should be heated.

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Speaker 1: Lorna and Liam, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: No Ice, Judie Christmas.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of The Front Page and

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four. We'll be back on January thirteenth

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Speaker 1: with new episodes, but stay tuned over summer for highlights

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