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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalk zedb SO.

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Speaker 2: At five point thirty tomorrow afternoon at the TOPAI christ

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Speaker 2: Church Convention Center, Scott Robertson will unveil his first squad

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Speaker 2: as All Blacks head coach. It'll be a thirty two

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Speaker 2: man roster to play England in two test matches Dunedin

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Speaker 2: and then Auckland July six and thirteen, and then Fiji

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Speaker 2: in San Diego on the twentieth of July. Just to

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Speaker 2: let you know, next Saturday, Weekend Sport will broadcast live

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Speaker 2: from inside the All Blacks camp at the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Institute of Sport out and Upper Hut, where we'll spend

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Speaker 2: an hour with Scott Robertson from one o'clock next Saturday

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Speaker 2: as we build towards the first test matches of his tenure.

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Speaker 2: But for today, we've assembled an all star panel to

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Speaker 2: kick around the ins and outs of this first All

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Speaker 2: Black squad of twenty twenty fourth sixty one game All

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Speaker 2: Blacks loose forward and test player in all three loose

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Speaker 2: forward positions. Mike Brewer as with us today, Mike.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, I spectal a good pointed.

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Speaker 2: Well, we were past twelve o'clock now, Mike, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think we can safely say good afternoon and seventy

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Speaker 2: one game all Blacks winger fifty tries in those seventy

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Speaker 2: one games. Now. Skysport commentator and analyst Jeff Wilson, how doing,

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Speaker 2: Jeff brewis up?

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Speaker 3: How are you going?

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Speaker 4: I'm great, Paint, I'm great. I've tried out.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, it was certainly about wet last night. Actually,

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Speaker 2: could we start there, Jeff? Did anyone play their way

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Speaker 2: into or out of the squad in the final last night?

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Speaker 4: I don't know if they've played their way until we're

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Speaker 4: out of I think what it has made is maybe

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Speaker 4: some of the conversations a little bit harder, you know,

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Speaker 4: and there'll be key positions and positions that we are,

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Speaker 4: I suppose heavily blessed, particularly in the loose forwards and

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Speaker 4: particularly in the outside backs in this country, where you

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Speaker 4: know there'll be some conversations around Okay, now, how do

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Speaker 4: you know the old four under three, five and six

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Speaker 4: and five seven and the six I just don't go.

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Speaker 4: In the end, it's going to be I think some

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Speaker 4: matter of how Scott Robertson wants to play. But last night, look,

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Speaker 4: I think if you're a voice player, it was edmondageous

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Speaker 4: that you had a dominating performance and you've got a

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Speaker 4: chance to show everything you were capable of at a

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Speaker 4: night that wasn't very good at eating Park.

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Speaker 2: All right, Mike, for you, before we dig down into

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Speaker 2: some of those positional areas, how much stock do you

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Speaker 2: think Scott Robertson will put in the last three weekends?

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Speaker 2: And the way certain players performed in big knockout games.

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Speaker 3: I'm sort of feeling a little bit different, did you.

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Speaker 3: I think Hoskins confirmed his his selection a game being

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Speaker 3: part of that dominant pack, but he's done everything all

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Speaker 3: the year. That consistency has been there. I've always been

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Speaker 3: a big fan of Hoskins right from the upset. I

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Speaker 3: thought he's a really similar player to Shannon forz out

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Speaker 3: and in my opinion, they didn't give through Shannon enough

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Speaker 3: the time to mature. They didn't give it to Shennon.

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Speaker 3: I think it's time they do give it to Hoskins

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Speaker 3: because we need we need players with exector to get

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Speaker 3: and you know there's accepting two three swords. The other player,

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Speaker 3: I think his way into it, which is probably a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, I think I think you might

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Speaker 2: be right, especially with obviously white Lock and Rotallic having

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Speaker 2: just on the outside backs Jeff Caleb Clark is he'll

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Speaker 4: I think he's in, but it will be at the

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Speaker 4: who is that player who can cover so many positions

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Speaker 4: coaching staff know and we'll see great benefit and what

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Speaker 4: least get in front of Scott Robertson and see what

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Speaker 4: he can possibly do. So for Caleb, you know, I

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Speaker 4: think last night you saw if you get him involved

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Speaker 4: how damaging he can be. But like you say, it's

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Speaker 4: it's it's just a philosophy thing now with these these

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Speaker 4: I see with plenty of expector, it's funny you mentioned

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Speaker 4: Sam Derry. I had him already in the squad as well.

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Speaker 4: You know, I just think, you know, even with Patrick

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Speaker 4: this this year and the Blues has been impressive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got Darry in there as well with obviously

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Speaker 2: had Darry is the fourth lock as well. Back to

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Speaker 2: the loose forwards, Mike, your area of particular expertise. We

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Speaker 2: and position position wise we can we can kick that

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Speaker 2: around as well. But black head of female, You're say, Jacobson, Larkeye, Papaali,

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Speaker 3: Ethan Blackmuner, I think is a type of six that

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Speaker 3: you know, Sara as Andrew wise, I think they'll they'll,

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Speaker 3: they'll sleet them few again. I agree with you Dalton.

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Speaker 3: Papa Lee I think sort of forced his way in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well covers all three, doesn't he, like you used

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Speaker 2: to How valuable is that going to be? Mike and

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Speaker 2: a you know, and I guess it's a it's a

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Speaker 2: So the ability of Jacobson to cover all three does

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think if they sort of go off

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Speaker 3: Dalton and Jacobson. There's back up seven. So just about

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Speaker 3: to account the like to whip Richie Monger in there,

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Speaker 3: because I think we're pretty light and light in a

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Speaker 2: Sixth Jeff first five Stephen Stephen Peifeta going to make

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he should. You know, I think it's

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Speaker 4: then when they lost Sullivan, it just it meant that

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Speaker 4: last night Peter Feeder was really really good. Like I

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Speaker 4: you know, how do you find away for some players

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Speaker 4: the test and of a final or a semi final,

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Speaker 4: they've been sort of waiting in the wings. So like

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Speaker 4: I say, a lot of this comes down to how

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Speaker 4: Scott Robinson wants to play. But I've got Peter Fetter

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Speaker 2: I like you both about the half backs. Let's stay

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Speaker 2: with you, Jeff, who are your three half backs?

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Speaker 5: Look?

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Speaker 4: I think this is you know, in terms of guys

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Speaker 4: he's been as consistent as he always is, has got

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Speaker 4: better every week. It was really good again last night

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Speaker 4: we need to have more experience in and around the squad,

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Speaker 4: but I think the best of those is Cortiratama. You know,

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Speaker 4: to look at other opportunities where they try and force

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Speaker 4: Christy Pernara and you've got something to work with and

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Speaker 4: a balance in the types of game they can play,

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Speaker 4: and you know, and of course they'll be clearly waiting

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Speaker 4: So for me, those three have stood out.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with that, Mike?

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Speaker 5: Those those three, I think a lot of it will

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Speaker 5: depend on the selector's attitude towards age in the in

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Speaker 3: So that's where you know, players like Boden Barrett, j

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Speaker 3: Peronada that there's a question mark over them, you know,

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Speaker 3: do they keep them from the experience or do they

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Speaker 3: be a good player, Like Noah Holsten, we'll go fuck

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Speaker 3: it over another go up to his injury. So that's

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Speaker 3: the question that only they know. But we just got

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Speaker 3: selecting the right executly the same team Goldie. I actually

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Speaker 2: You hope you got a fullback. Gody.

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Speaker 3: Did you decide how to Ruben? I've found room.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Mike, you carry on. You guys have the conversation.

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Speaker 3: You go, Mike any has any curtain used to say, Goldie,

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Speaker 3: Only one choice here, I think with Scott Robertson as

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Speaker 4: It's a really interesting conversation. Look, I can understand why

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Speaker 4: it was just self preservation. You had none of that.

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Speaker 3: No, but that's what it was about today.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, all right, I want to finish, want to

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Speaker 4: You know, that's the know how many how many could

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Speaker 4: you put that fits in? You know? I think the

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Speaker 4: So you know, I think, you know, Scott Robinson, Scott Room,

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Speaker 4: Like you say, there's some really good players've missed out

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Speaker 4: that I've got Billy Procter in my mix. I really

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I've gone I've gone four in midfield as well.

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Speaker 3: Mike, No, I actually got for heavily right.

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Speaker 2: So Billy, Billy Procter's not in your squad, Brosion.

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Speaker 4: I think potry comes up for every select some conversations

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Speaker 4: I ever had with you.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, fantastic.

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Speaker 4: I'd advise your beer.

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Speaker 2: Right, let's get let's get our let's get our fifteens.

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Speaker 2: Let's get our fifteens done when our listeners are queuing

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Speaker 2: up to have their say. So let's get our fifteens

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Speaker 2: out for the first Test against England and Dunedin. Front

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Speaker 2: front row, brother and what's your front row?

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Speaker 4: The group?

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Speaker 2: Paler Lomas same Goldie.

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Speaker 4: Uh, Williams, Taylor Lomax.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, your locks, Jeff.

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Speaker 4: It's it's Barrett and by Mike Patrick Patrick and hit A.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's okay, right, loose forwards, what's your loose forward trio?

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Speaker 3: Mike lect s there and Soltutu.

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Speaker 2: All right, so you've got Savia on the open side

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Speaker 4: Fee now on the blind side, Savilla and Papa in

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Speaker 2: Okay, half back, first five combo Mike.

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Speaker 4: Philly, Christian McKenzie, Yes for me.

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Speaker 2: Midfield the midfield to it feels like Barrett and Yoannie,

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Speaker 2: Jeff back three.

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Speaker 4: I've got Talia on the left and on the right,

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Speaker 2: What have you gone with, Mike.

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Speaker 3: I've gone Bone a fullback to on the right, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done that too. I've got I've got Recent,

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Speaker 2: I've got Reese on the left wing. But Jeff hasn't

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Speaker 4: Yes I don't. But I haven't got eating Blacketter in

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Speaker 4: I said, there's there's you know, there's marginal cause in

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Speaker 4: is going to be a heck of aside when he

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Speaker 3: Any concerned with the boys he now is. I think

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Speaker 3: he's a fantastic player. But the all back selectors and

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Speaker 3: knowing Scotty, I think there's a real question mark over

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Speaker 3: his discipline and the amount of penalties he gives away,

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Speaker 3: and some of the penalties he's given away, you know

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Speaker 3: in this season, particularly in the in the playoffs, is

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Speaker 3: just allowed that all Clanteen to just piggyback up the

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Speaker 3: that's an issue that he's, you know, he's got to

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Speaker 3: address because I think he's a he's a bit like

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Speaker 3: Shannon Brazil, but too many penalties.

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Speaker 4: We tellongs you're getting on staying on the field.

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Speaker 3: Mhmm.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's you know, it's just one of those things.

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Speaker 4: I just think it's as like said, I'm I'm fascinated

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Speaker 4: to see tomorrow, I really am, you know, because we'll

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Speaker 4: get a real sense of what exactly is he's looking for.

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Speaker 4: It'll be those four or five guys that we couldn't

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Speaker 4: quite decide on or we weren't sure about. We'll get

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Speaker 4: a strong sense from raising tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Excellent guys, Thanks so much for joining us. Mike always

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Speaker 2: enjoy chatting. Thanks for our taking the time, mate, Cheers, Bunny,

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Speaker 2: all the best and Jeff, thanks to you mate. We'll

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Speaker 2: look forward to live coverage of the first of it

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Speaker 2: all Black Squad five thirty tomorrow Sky Sport one and

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Speaker 2: Sky Sport Now you'll be involved in that. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: taking the time to have a chat this afternoon, mate, mate,

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Speaker 2: all the best, Mate, Jeff Wilson, Mike Brewer there with

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Speaker 2: their thoughts and some fairly interesting thoughts too. You'll have

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Speaker 2: some too, No doubt your chance to play selector now?

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Who makes the

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Speaker 2: thirty two man list to be revealed tomorrow? Any bolters, Well,

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Speaker 2: let's define bolter here. Somebody who nobody had picked, a

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Speaker 2: name we haven't even talked about. The only I think

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Speaker 2: the only position we didn't really talk about in that

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Speaker 2: chat was the props. We covered off most of the

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Speaker 2: other positions. For example, Billy Proctor, if he makes the

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Speaker 2: squad tomorrow, is not a bolter. I think he's been

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Speaker 2: talked about all year as somebody who may well be

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Speaker 2: there and I think has deserved his place. A bolter

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Speaker 2: is a guy like Dallas McCleod. Remember when Dallas McLeod

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Speaker 2: was picked last year, he was a bolter because nobody

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Speaker 2: had him. Nobody picked him. I've written down my thirty two.

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Speaker 2: I've got five new all blacks, but can to hear

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Speaker 2: yours players who have caught your eyes, especially especially those

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Speaker 2: who haven't worn the black jersey before.

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