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Speaker 2: Be good afternoon. Welcome to show. Coming up today David Kilcullen,

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Speaker 2: Middle East expert, former advisor to Condoleeza Rice. He'll talk

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Speaker 2: us through what happens next in I ran Eric Stanford,

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Speaker 2: the Immigration Minister on that Golden visa going gangbusters bringing

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Speaker 2: in heaps of money and Nikolauls, Finance Minister, as per

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Speaker 2: usual after.

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Speaker 3: Six Heather Duplicy Allen Well.

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Speaker 2: US certainly ran things up over the weekend, didn't it.

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Speaker 2: And if you feel like this is an incredibly serious

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Speaker 2: situation a situation right now, you're not wrong because there

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Speaker 2: are very few examples. If any of the US involving

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Speaker 2: itself in the Middle East or surrounding areas and making

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Speaker 2: things better for the most part, it just ends up

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Speaker 2: backfiring or ending badly. I mean, there are some really

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Speaker 2: obvious ways with regards to Iran that this could go badly.

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Speaker 2: First of all, of course, if Iran wasn't making a

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Speaker 2: because there is only one way to ensure that you

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Speaker 2: have a nuclear weapon. This could also incentivize other countries

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Speaker 2: This could spiral into some sort of instability in the

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Speaker 2: often is the case, this could create instability in other

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Speaker 2: All of that is absolutely fair to be worried about. However,

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Speaker 2: and then we feel sorry for that country for the

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Speaker 2: Iran a not good guys here. I personally think you'd

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Speaker 2: what do you think that's for? And they are motivated

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Speaker 2: They probably had this coming. Actually, the only thing that

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Speaker 3: Ever duper see Ellen's nine two.

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Speaker 2: Nine two is the text number. Standard text fees apply.

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Speaker 2: Now locally, let's talk about what's going on here. Local

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Speaker 2: There are currently eleven regional councils in New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: Darren afternoon, Heather, good to talk to you mate.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Is the Prime Minister wrong?

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Speaker 7: I think he could have started in a different place,

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Speaker 7: Other local government's been up for that for that issue

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Speaker 2: Mate, We're asking that question all the time. Nothing changes

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Speaker 2: So would you then scrap all the district, all the

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Speaker 7: Correct, amalgamate them all into one entity. It wouldn't look

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Speaker 7: You already have the nucleus of a single council in Taranuki,

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Speaker 7: You'd suck them in the community local councils resonate with

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Speaker 2: So's you'd be looking for efficiencies here like you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Okay, Darren, in your vision of the future, how many

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Speaker 7: Then I think we're probably somewhere in the range of

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Speaker 2: I don't hate that, Darren, thanks very much. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Is Darren chair of Greater Wellington Region Regional Council. And

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Speaker 2: upwards from here, frankly, isn't it. Jeez Wellington, you've only

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Speaker 2: got a few more months to go. Kia kaha, friends,

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Speaker 2: Just hang in there a little bit longer. You'll be okay.

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Speaker 2: Whatever comes next has got to be better. Listen, all

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Speaker 2: It be Heather. It's not just the number of councils,

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Speaker 8: Oh, Brodie McAllister has to be a surprise. I don't

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Speaker 2: That'd be what I was telling you about just before.

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Speaker 10: Iran's key nuclear and Richmond facilities have been completely and

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Speaker 11: The warmong Green are lawless administration in Washington is solely

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Speaker 3: Act of aggression.

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Speaker 12: Iran cannot be allowed to develop a newtail weapon.

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Speaker 2: It turns out the ancient Romans knew how to build

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Speaker 2: Oliver Peterson six pr per Life Presenters with me Now, Hey, Oli,

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Speaker 2: Hello Heather. All right, so Ozzie's back in the US.

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Speaker 13: They are now a femish silence over the weekend, and

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Speaker 2: Any indication Australia got a heads up, I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Does Australia believe that the Iranians were trying to make

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Speaker 2: a nuke?

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Speaker 3: I think we do.

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Speaker 13: And when I say I think we do is because

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Speaker 13: that's basically what the Prime Minister has now said today

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Speaker 13: that perhaps now the Australian government has been briefed by

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Speaker 13: US intelligence sources as to why the Alberanzi He's added

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Speaker 13: his voice to the chorus.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's why.

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Speaker 13: For forty eight hours he tried to say nothing until

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Speaker 13: he had some concrete evidence that that is what the

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Speaker 13: Iraanian government were doing. But jeets tense times, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally is ac DC. You're going to go to

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Speaker 2: these gigs.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I've already got my tickets, Heather are We had

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Speaker 13: Katie Perry here last night.

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Speaker 2: I know you're a big Katie cat.

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Speaker 13: Knew if you were in Perth because she's performing again

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Speaker 13: to an idea, of course, I went, Yeah, some of

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Speaker 13: the bings hop stars in the worlds and she's been

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Speaker 13: to space.

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Speaker 2: Oh, she's amazing.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 13: The only thing, as I learned from Katie Perry last night, Heather,

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Speaker 13: holding you back or holding me back, is ourselves, like

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Speaker 13: our dreams are there to be pursued. If you want

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Speaker 13: to go to Broadway, Heather, you can. You can go

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Speaker 13: to Broadway if that's what you want to do. Katy

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Speaker 13: Perry told me last night that it's only you holding

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Speaker 13: yourself back.

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Speaker 2: She's so inspirational. Are you taking the pass?

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Speaker 13: I thought she was sensational, like she's just encouraging a

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Speaker 13: whole generation of Australians to pursue the best in themselves,

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Speaker 13: to become the best person that they can be. To

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Speaker 13: just make sure you wake up in the morning full

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Speaker 13: of energy and you just sing all those wonderful Katy

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Speaker 13: Perry tracks like I kissed a girl and I liked it.

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Speaker 2: Look, it would be a good time to be there.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I just and I probably would

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Speaker 2: go with my god a freebie, which is what I

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Speaker 2: suspect you got. No, I paid cold hard cash for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I took my wife.

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Speaker 13: I haven't seen my wife in about a week, all right,

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Speaker 13: so I've got some brownie points.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe in the Katy Perry stick. I'm on

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Speaker 2: pull leave your wife. I've been busy.

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Speaker 13: We had a big Rugby League game over here last week.

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Speaker 13: We got the Bears coming into the NRLs, so we've

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Speaker 13: had a few little bits and bobs to if you've.

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Speaker 2: Been going out and she's been staying home with you

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Speaker 2: correct percent, So you know I did the right thing.

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Speaker 2: Took my wife to Katy Perry and I kissed a

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Speaker 2: girl and I liked it. Yes, do you know what,

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Speaker 2: I forgive you everything. That's just so good, and she

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Speaker 2: would have kissed you after that. She was Okay, listen,

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Speaker 2: tell me really quickly about what's gone more than this

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Speaker 2: pop plant, because this is nuts, isn't it.

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Speaker 13: This is the story of the year, you know, forget

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Speaker 13: about everything else. Imagine being so cheesed off with your

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Speaker 13: neighbor in an apartment complex that they put pop plants

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Speaker 13: in the common areas.

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Speaker 2: You decided to take them to court.

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Speaker 13: And not just to court, you took them to court

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Speaker 13: for two years and spent thousands and thousands of dollars

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Speaker 13: to get them to order to remove the pop plants

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Speaker 13: from the common area just in case you tripped over.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well you know that's that sounds like everything

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand with health and safety. So anyway, Oliver,

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Speaker 2: I'm Peterson. I'm still thinking about just what happened last night.

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Speaker 8: So what the good news is?

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Speaker 13: You've got seven and a half hours to get to

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Speaker 13: her next gig here in Perth. We've got direct flights

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Speaker 13: Aucklands to play.

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Speaker 2: Far away, but you could get there. Come on, yeap,

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Speaker 2: just get here to know you'd love it.

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Speaker 3: She's great.

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Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, if you go, thank you very much, really appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Oliver Peterson doesn't actually need to be ged up by KATIEA.

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Speaker 2: He's just got so much enthusiasm as it is for life.

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Speaker 2: Omg here that this is just like the early two

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Speaker 2: thousands with the weapons of mass destruction bs Trump who

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Speaker 2: said he would never start or get involved in any

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Speaker 2: stupid wars in the Middle East to showing he's just

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Speaker 2: a two faced liar and we'll just say things to

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Speaker 2: get into power. Hey grant. Alternative perspective on this view

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Speaker 2: not one that I agree with, but this is one

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Speaker 2: that I've heard put to me, which is that he

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Speaker 2: hasn't started a war, he's ending a war because it's

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Speaker 2: been a kind of like a Cold War between the

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Speaker 2: US and Israel on one side and Iran on the

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Speaker 2: other for like twenty years or thirty years. Isn't it

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Speaker 2: where we've been going Are the Uranians or are they not?

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Speaker 2: Building themselves a little nuclear weapon? And everybody's sort of

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Speaker 2: watching it, you know, waiting, and there's threats, and there's

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Speaker 2: inspectors and all this kind of stuff. And instead of

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Speaker 2: instead of sitting around going are they or are they not?

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Speaker 2: He just went Okay, bomb got rid of it. Well, God,

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Speaker 2: it didn't get that rid of that much. And I'll

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Speaker 2: go give you that detail shortly. But that's an alternative perspective,

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Speaker 2: and maybe the one that he's, you know, in Trump world,

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Speaker 2: is believing. Yes, there is a thing called a limited license,

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Speaker 2: which Caleb can thankfully get for himself because he doesn't

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Speaker 2: have a license at the moment after speeding away from

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Speaker 2: the cops. It's called a work license, says somebody costs

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Speaker 2: you a bit to get one, though my mate has one,

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Speaker 2: thank you, Tim. Hither it's called a limited license, can

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Speaker 2: only be applied for a month after the disqualification starts.

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Speaker 2: No guarantee you'll get it, but usually granted Mark, of

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Speaker 2: course he'll get it. He's an all black. Hither, you

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Speaker 2: get approval to drive, you get approval to drive for work.

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Speaker 2: It's not a twenty four hour free pass. And there's

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Speaker 2: lots and lots of it. We all know about it.

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Speaker 2: As it turns out, What does that tell you about us?

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Speaker 2: Sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics, credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Jason Wall's news talks there b political editors with us

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Speaker 2: Now Hello, Jason Good afternoon.

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Speaker 14: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Did you ask David seymore about that poll?

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Speaker 7: I did.

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Speaker 15: Indeed, it was an interesting poll in terms of the results.

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Speaker 15: There we have forty six percent of nearly half people

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Speaker 15: saying that, given all the sort of what's going on

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Speaker 15: with the Cook Islands in terms of this closer relationship

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Speaker 15: that it has with China, should they essentially, you know,

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Speaker 15: should they be well, I'll read the poll to you.

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Speaker 15: Actually it might be a little bit easier. The Cook

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Speaker 15: Islands government is pursuing closest strategic ties with China, ignoring

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Speaker 15: New Zealand's wishes and not consulting with the New Zealand government.

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Speaker 15: Given this, should the Cook Islands continue to enjoy automatic

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Speaker 15: access to New Zealand's passports, citizenship, healthcare and education when

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Speaker 15: its government pursues a foreign policy against the wishes of

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Speaker 15: New Zealand. So thirty percent of people said yes, forty

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Speaker 15: six percent of people said no, which is quite an

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Speaker 15: interesting figure. So I asked see more about that. Here

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Speaker 15: is what he said.

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Speaker 16: There's been a long and fruitful relationship between the Cook

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Speaker 16: Islands and New Zealand and Free Association. There's been a

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Speaker 16: bit of a bump in the road lately, but that

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Speaker 16: has been worked through between our Prime minister, our Foreign

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Speaker 16: minister and their government. I believe in the long term New.

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Speaker 3: Zealand it's the Cooks.

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Speaker 16: The Cooks need New Zealand and we're going to get

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Speaker 16: each other. It would be I think premature to start

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Speaker 16: pulling out withdrawals of long held and cherished rights of

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Speaker 16: citizenship and entry between the two countries.

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Speaker 15: So it doesn't sound like it's going to happen, and

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Speaker 15: frankly I didn't think that it would. I mean, I

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Speaker 15: mean the government you said it himself there. It's a

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Speaker 15: bit of a bump in the road. So we'll wait

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Speaker 15: to see what happens with the Prime minister over there.

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Speaker 15: We wait to see what happens between China and the

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Speaker 15: Cooks as well as New Zealand and the Cook Islands

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Speaker 15: as well. We haven't had any update per se on

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Speaker 15: how things are going, or at least David Seymour hadn't

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Speaker 15: when I spoke to him this afternoon, but eyes appealed.

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Speaker 15: But interesting numbers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not going to happen, is it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's obviously a little bit of public support for it,

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Speaker 2: it's a very small margin, but it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Is it because the people of the Cooks are not

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Speaker 2: going to let that happen.

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Speaker 14: No.

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Speaker 15: I mean, if it was ever a legitimately legitimately on

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Speaker 15: the table, there would be a revolt over in the

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Speaker 15: Cook Islands because they get a lot out of this,

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Speaker 15: and obviously back in New Zealand as well, there'd be

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Speaker 15: people here that would take to the streets. I mean,

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Speaker 15: as this poll shows, there's more people supporting no than yes,

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Speaker 15: but you would still get a groundswell of support around

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Speaker 15: people that really, despite what was going on, wanted the

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Speaker 15: best interests of the people of the Cook Islands in mind.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm pretty sure they would force Mark Brown Pullers

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Speaker 2: hid in. Actually, now David Seymour prime Minister for a day.

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Speaker 2: How did he go in the postcap?

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Speaker 15: I think he went pretty well. I mean he struck

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Speaker 15: a pretty middle of the road tone over the situation

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Speaker 15: in the Middle East.

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Speaker 16: Have a listen, We're not sitting on the fence, nor

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Speaker 16: are we rushing to judgment. I believe the world is

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Speaker 16: not sitting there waiting for New Zealand to give its

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Speaker 16: position on the legality of the situation.

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Speaker 15: As much as I'd like to think that the world

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Speaker 15: was waiting for New Zealand to weigh in on this situation.

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Speaker 15: He's right, they're not. And the worst thing would what

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Speaker 15: could happen right now is New Zealand would come in

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Speaker 15: too hard, too early and say something that it ultimately

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Speaker 15: would get contradicted and then we'd look like a fool

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Speaker 15: on the global stage. There was always a bit of

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Speaker 15: a risk that Deputy are acting prime minis that David

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Speaker 15: Seymour would say something that's a little bit more act

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Speaker 15: party esque than Prime ministerial. And you know, I think

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Speaker 15: that he had a pretty statesmanly like response to some things,

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Speaker 15: apart from when he was asked. His response to what

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Speaker 15: Labour stance on US versus Iran was what do you

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Speaker 15: make of the opposition's.

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Speaker 13: Response to this?

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Speaker 15: The Labor Party have been very against what the US

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Speaker 15: have done. Tibatimari on similar vein well, speaking.

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Speaker 16: Of people that don't have all the intelligence, I'd categorize

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Speaker 16: them that one.

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Speaker 15: So there's Seymour and he wasn't a fan of Tory.

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Speaker 15: Fara writing to the Prime Minister saying that David Seymour

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Speaker 15: was breaching the Cabinet manual over his calling out of

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Speaker 15: people who were critical of the Regulatory Standards Bill. She

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Speaker 15: says that it breaches the Cabinet manual. Just curious about

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Speaker 15: what your response to that is.

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Speaker 16: So sorry, Tory far Now was accusing me of inappropriate behavior. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: I've heard it all.

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Speaker 15: So the troll David is still there even if the

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Speaker 15: acting Prime Minister David is mainly in control.

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Speaker 2: Jason, did anybody ask him? Did he explain why it

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Speaker 2: is that the Australians are fully backing the US attacks

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Speaker 2: and where not?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: He did.

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Speaker 15: He was asked about that extensively, and essentially he just

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Speaker 15: came back to this point that the world isn't waiting

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Speaker 15: for New Zealand to respond, and it's not really within

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Speaker 15: our national interests to come out swinging on something like this.

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Speaker 15: But you have to question when it is Australia who

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Speaker 15: are our only formal allies, we should surely be taking

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Speaker 15: the same stance as them. I mean, what's for harm

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Speaker 15: and that?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Listen, thanks very much, Jason, appreciate it. Jason Wall's

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Speaker 2: news talks, eb's political editors coming up eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the time questions to the newspakers, some mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 3: Christer b Luxan as whether as we run, how worried

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Speaker 3: are you? It is worrying.

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Speaker 5: We we really need to see diplomacy and dialogue take

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Speaker 5: place because our political solution is what's needed. They're not

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Speaker 5: more military action.

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Speaker 2: Do you support what the Americans did?

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Speaker 3: Well, again, we are.

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Speaker 5: What we want to see in the Middle East is

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Speaker 5: not Iran with a nuclear weapon, and we don't want

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Speaker 5: to see Israel occupying Gaza. We don't want to see

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Speaker 5: how mass holding on to hostages and all of those cases.

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Speaker 5: The chances to sort of get on and get into

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Speaker 5: proper negotiations to get the region calmed down and stable.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise you're going to have endless military action and constant conflict.

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Speaker 5: So you've got to be able to get round a

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Speaker 5: table have a sensible conversation.

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Speaker 1: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 1: the Defender otor Newstalk ZB all.

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Speaker 2: Right, five away from five. So I'm going to explain

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Speaker 2: this whole situation with Tory Farno and David Seymour, just

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Speaker 2: so that you can get yourself across this, just so

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Speaker 2: you can understand the ridiculousness of her intervention. So what

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Speaker 2: happened here is that in christ Church, Christ Church City

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Speaker 2: Council decided to get involved with the Regulatory Standards Bill

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Speaker 2: and they decided, they voted that they were going to

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Speaker 2: criticize the Regulatory Standards Bill and there was a vote

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Speaker 2: and everybody supported it, and David Seymour was then asked

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Speaker 2: about it and he said that he believed it was

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Speaker 2: possible that the Mayor of christ Church had in fact

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Speaker 2: been influenced by the officials who had given him misinformation

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Speaker 2: or partial information or whatever to get him to support this,

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Speaker 2: and he compared the council staff to Vladimir Putin because

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Speaker 2: they're unelected, they're there, but you can't get rid of them,

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Speaker 2: unlike the mayor anyway. He also then said the scholars,

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Speaker 2: who are the academics who are opposing the Regulatory Standards

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Speaker 2: bills are basically just the victims of the day. And look,

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Speaker 2: can you disagree with either of these comments. Well, Tory does.

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Speaker 2: Torris got involved. She's written to the Prime Minister. She

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Speaker 2: wants an official investigation into David Seymour for this. She

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Speaker 2: says the deliberate targeting of academics and the exposure of

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Speaker 2: christ Church Council staff to ridicule by comparing them to

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Speaker 2: putin following their opinions appears to be a direct breach

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Speaker 2: of the standards, the Cabinet Manual Standards of Conduct. It's

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Speaker 2: a blatant attempt to stifle academic freedom and any dissenting opinion. Wellington,

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Speaker 2: is this what you want your mayor to be doing?

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Speaker 2: Is this how she should be using her time? Because

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Speaker 2: I tell you what, I don't know about you. But

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Speaker 2: if Tory opens her mouth about something, I, for the

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Speaker 2: most part stopped listening. Don't you anyway? So I think

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Speaker 2: David's response was bang on, don't you so sorry?

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Speaker 16: Tory far now is accusing me of inappropriate behavior to

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Speaker 16: now I've heard it all, Well, there's no such breach.

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Speaker 16: If people want to go out and make completely incorrect statement,

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Speaker 16: then I'm going to get a bit playful and have

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Speaker 16: some fun with them.

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Speaker 2: Oh Tory, Hey, we're going to go to deal with

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Speaker 2: the Iran situation next. Let's have a chat to David kilcullen,

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Speaker 2: who's the Middle East expert and a former advisor to

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Speaker 2: Condoleeza Rice. The question, of course, is where does this

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Speaker 2: go next? Is their regime change? Can Donald Trump stop

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Speaker 2: at this or is he going to keep going? Is

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Speaker 2: he going to keep wanting more and get drawn in

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Speaker 2: and then after that find out about that Golden visa

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Speaker 2: just bringing heaps of money into the country. News talks

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Speaker 2: that be you know, Oka Home.

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Speaker 1: Fifty five, digging through the spin spins to find the

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Speaker 1: real story story. It's Heather due for the on drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand. Let's get connected.

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Speaker 3: News talks be good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has hinted that he might be after a

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Speaker 2: regime change in i Ran. After all, he's posted on

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Speaker 2: social media. It's not politically correct to use the term

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Speaker 2: regime change, but if a current Iranian regime is unable

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Speaker 2: to make a run great again, why wouldn't there be

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Speaker 2: a regime change?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 2: This would be a mission change because it was previously

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Speaker 2: the bombs were previously only about getting rid of the

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Speaker 2: nuclear weapons. And David kilcullen served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Speaker 2: He was an advisor to former US Secretary of State

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Speaker 2: Condoleeza Rice is now a professor at Camberrie University and

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Speaker 2: with US. Hello, David, hey, hether, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: Does this get bigger? Does this become about regime change?

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Speaker 17: Well, the real answer is nobody knows. There are certainly

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Speaker 17: people within Donald Trump's coalition of supporters in the US

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Speaker 17: that would be extraordinarily unhappy at any escalation or any

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Speaker 17: bigger conflict, and we've seen them getting very vocal over

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Speaker 17: the last few days.

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Speaker 14: But there are also.

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Speaker 17: Influential people in the Senate and elsewhere who would like

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Speaker 17: to see a regime change. So it's really a I think,

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Speaker 17: you know, as any other veteran will probably tell you.

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Speaker 17: Starting a conflict, politicians may think they've got a clear

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Speaker 17: idea where it ends up, but you almost never do,

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Speaker 17: and once the bombs drop, you know, it can really

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Speaker 17: escalate in unexpected directions.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that Aron was working on a nuclear weapon?

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Speaker 17: We know that they were prior to two thousand and three.

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Speaker 17: There have been basically three different assessments that are out there.

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Speaker 17: One is the US Intelligence Community assessment, which is recently

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Speaker 17: as March this year, said that they had not restarted

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Speaker 17: that program since two thousand and three. They were talking

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Speaker 17: about it more, but they hadn't. The second version of

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Speaker 17: events is the Israeli version, which suggests that they were

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Speaker 17: days two weeks away from having a functioning nuclear weapon,

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Speaker 17: which should caveat that by saying that the Israelis have

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Speaker 17: been saying some version of that for about twenty years now,

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Speaker 17: so there's some debate about whether that's more of a

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Speaker 17: political statement or more of an analytical statement. And then

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Speaker 17: the third option is what the IAEA, the International Atomic

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Speaker 17: Energy Authority, said on the night of June, which was

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Speaker 17: that the Iranians seem to have enough fissile material, but

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Speaker 17: they haven't currently made a bomb. So there's really a

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Speaker 17: lot of dispute out there as to what the actual

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Speaker 17: state of the Iranian nuclear program is.

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Speaker 2: If they were in fact making a bomb or getting

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Speaker 2: very close to the possibility of switching to that, blowing

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Speaker 2: these three sites up to the extent that the US

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Speaker 2: has does this, I mean, it seems to me this

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Speaker 2: would only delay it. Right, It's not going to stop

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Speaker 2: what they're doing.

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Speaker 9: Is it.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 17: The Israelis, of course, have been in an active war

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Speaker 17: with Iran for about ten days now and killed a

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Speaker 17: number of major nuclear scientists as well as damaging lots

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Speaker 17: of other sites. The reason for the US strike being

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Speaker 17: so essential to Iran's war plans is that to target

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Speaker 17: the Fotoh site, which is the one that's deeply buried

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Speaker 17: under a mountain, you needed a weapon that only the

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Speaker 17: US has, which is the so called massive ordinance penetrator,

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Speaker 17: which is a sort of fourteen pounds bomb. So, you know,

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Speaker 17: I think the chances of US getting a clear battle

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Speaker 17: damage assessment anytime soon are pretty slim. I think the

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Speaker 17: US government is trying to portray it as complete destruction

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Speaker 17: of photo, but there's really no way to tell that

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Speaker 17: until somebody gets in there and takes a look and

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Speaker 17: a coross there's very little chance of that.

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Speaker 2: David, thank you very much, really appreciate your time. There's

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Speaker 2: David Kilcallum, who is of course a former advisor to

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Speaker 2: Secretary of State US Secretary of State Condolliza Rice. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to give you some insight into possibly why it's

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Speaker 2: only been delayed. If anything, we'll get to that shortly

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Speaker 2: five eleven.

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Speaker 3: Heather Doupers the Al the Wan's new.

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Speaker 2: Golden visa scheme to attract wealthy foreigners is going gangbusters.

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Speaker 2: In the last three months, it has attracted one hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty nine applications. Now that is a lot more

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Speaker 2: than the one hundred and sixteen applications that came through

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Speaker 2: under Labour's rules, and that took two and a half years.

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Speaker 2: Erica Stanford is the Immigration min'ster Hey Erica.

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Speaker 6: Good afternoon, Erica.

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Speaker 2: If we've got two hundred applications almost why I have

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Speaker 2: only seven been granted visa so far.

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Speaker 18: Well, what happens is that these people have got six

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Speaker 18: months in which to find their acceptable investment and make

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Speaker 18: their investment. It used to be eighteen months, we've shifted

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Speaker 18: it back to six months, and so there is a

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Speaker 18: period of time we're only early days yet in which

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Speaker 18: we've got to start pushing these pieces through. But one

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Speaker 18: hundred application has been approved in principle. It's not bad

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Speaker 18: half to just ten weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the difference between actually approved and improved in principle?

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Speaker 2: What are you waiting for that?

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Speaker 18: And this is where they are about to put their

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Speaker 18: money in, for example, So we've got to do a

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Speaker 18: whole lot of work in the background. So we've got

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Speaker 18: to make sure that their applications are final full dunally medicals,

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Speaker 18: We've got to trace sources of funds. It takes quite

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Speaker 18: a while because we don't want dirty money, so that's

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Speaker 18: why it takes a little while to get to this point.

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Speaker 18: Then they're approved from principle and then they make their investments.

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Speaker 2: Fabulous And where are these people coming from?

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Speaker 18: Well, predominantly a lot of them are coming out of America.

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Speaker 18: So there's one hundred and eighty nine applications and eighty

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Speaker 18: five of those are out of the States. Are closely

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Speaker 18: followed by China twenty six and then Hong Kong twenty

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Speaker 18: four and then Germany at sixteen, and we're seeing quite

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Speaker 18: a lot of interest out at the German market.

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Speaker 2: Is there any requirements on them to keep their money

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Speaker 2: here for a period of time?

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Speaker 18: There is, depending on if they're going for the balanced

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Speaker 18: category or for the growth category, that's either five years

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Speaker 18: or three years, So there is a period of time

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Speaker 18: they've got to have that here. But we know that

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Speaker 18: actually that initial investment is almost it's significant, but it's

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Speaker 18: actually what they invest after that we know through the

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Speaker 18: data that we do have. You know that they invest

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Speaker 18: a whole lot more once they get here and they

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Speaker 18: see the ecosystem and they fall in love with the

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Speaker 18: place and they have they are quite big philanthropists as well,

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Speaker 18: so there is a huge amount of investment that goes

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Speaker 18: on after that initial investment.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to keep measuring the benefits that these

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Speaker 2: people bring, like it's one thing to get them here,

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Speaker 2: then to actually know what they're doing the benefit to

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Speaker 2: the country. Are you going to measure that we are.

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Speaker 18: We've put written something into the instructions that allow us

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Speaker 18: to keep tracking what they do after their initial investment.

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Speaker 18: We've never had that data before, but we will be

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Speaker 18: tracking it. We will also, through IMZ, keep a really

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Speaker 18: close eye on the businesses that are being invested in.

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Speaker 18: So we were just today at Hotline Labs who are

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Speaker 18: wanting to grow to a one hundred million dollar plus

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Speaker 18: company and export up to Europe and may need suns

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Speaker 18: in order to do that. So it'll be companies like

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Speaker 18: that and all the people that employee and the export

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Speaker 18: dollars at their earning will also be a part. We'll

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Speaker 18: look at tracking through and through invest New zealand that

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Speaker 18: new body as well.

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Speaker 2: Erica, thanks very much, appreciate your time. That's Erica Stanford,

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Speaker 2: Immigration Minister. I'll get you that detail on why there's

873
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: some new program's only been delayed fourteen past five. Are

874
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: you stuck in traffic again?

875
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 5: Yeah?

876
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: That's annoying, isn't it. But it's also an opportunity because

877
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: if your vehicle is signed written, you're not just idling

878
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: you are advertising. Speedy Signs can turn your car your

879
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 2: van into a high impact marketing tool. Ideal for tradees,

880
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 2: real estate agents, mobile services, whatever business you're in. Whenever

881
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: you're out and about, you can even get strategic care.

882
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: You can park outside a competitor if you want to

883
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: cruise through a suburb before your new store opens. Grab

884
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: attention at the local events, sports grounds, or markets. It's

885
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 2: local awareness on wheels, and remember, potential customers could be anywhere.

886
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: They could be checking out your competitor in a car park,

887
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: even at your favorite coffee shop. A well branded vehicle

888
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: makes you look professional and trustworthy, giving you a head

889
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: start before you even say a word. If you've got

890
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Speaker 2: a fleet, no worries at all. With nearly thirty locations nationwide,

891
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: Speedy Signs can handle the whole lot wherever they are.

892
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: From simple graphics to bold, full coverage wraps, they'll make

893
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: sure that your brand stands out and sticks some people's minds.

894
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 2: Call OH eight hundred Speedy or head to Speedy Signs

895
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 2: dot co dot.

896
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: MZ Heather Duper see Allen Heather in Richmond.

897
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: Is three to six percent. For nuclear power, it's ninety

898
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: percent plus for nuclear weapons. Why has run got more

899
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: than fifty percent in Richmond? Good question? Sean eighteen past five. Now,

900
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: a bunch of debutants were named in the All Black

901
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: Squad announced today. One of them is Brody McAllister. He's

902
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: twenty eight, is from christ Church. He moved to the Crusader,

903
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: from the Crusaders to the Chiefs this season. Hey Brody, hey, good,

904
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: thank you, congratulations. How are you feeling?

905
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 19: Thank you being some sort of day? Yeah, we've it

906
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 19: shocked at this but yeah, to let me lefting all

907
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 19: the messages up and just packing the house up. I'm

908
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 19: about to draw back to christ.

909
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: Which nar Actually, why are you packing your house up?

910
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 19: Moving back to Chross shoot after the season?

911
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 5: Year busy?

912
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: David?

913
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 14: Did you?

914
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: Is it true, Brody that you found out like everybody

915
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: else with David Kirk just reading.

916
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 19: That list out yep, found out in lunch sign today.

917
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

918
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: They don't give you a heads up or anything.

919
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 19: No heads up. I was watching it in the garage,

920
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 19: pecking the trailer.

921
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: Who did you call first? Your mum?

922
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 19: No, mummy actually called me and uh yeah mum and

923
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 19: dad actually called me straight away. Yeah, we're weaber and

924
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 19: shock and the garage. The phone was just blowing up.

925
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: Mate, How proud are they of you today?

926
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

927
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 19: They were pretty stoked. Yeah mum had a few tears.

928
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, bloody bet, my bloody bet she did. Now what

929
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 2: happens now? I mean, do you get like it's probably

930
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: too early? But have you thought about that?

931
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 14: Do you do?

932
00:42:59,400 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: You know?

933
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 2: Do you get a pay rise?

934
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 16: Ah?

935
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 19: I'm sure. Well I'll just carry on enjoying my footy

936
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 19: and yeah, just looking forward to getting involved.

937
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: And I'm sensing that you're very awkward about that question.

938
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: What about do they do they rock up with a

939
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: brand new forward for you or a Toyota or something

940
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: like that. Do you get a new ute.

941
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 19: That I'm unsure on what all the perks are, but yeah, yeah,

942
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 19: just looking forward to getting in there and getting stuck in.

943
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 2: Are you also feeling equal amounts of being stoked about

944
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: this and then totally packing yourself because it's like it's

945
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: the thing you want, but now you have to perform.

946
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 19: Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty fortunate. After I would go into

947
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 19: the environment into last year over when they were in

948
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 19: the UK, so I'd kind of expect to know what's coming.

949
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 19: But yeah, obviously got an auded pressure on you. But

950
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 19: that's where you want to be. And yeah, I'm just

951
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 19: looking forward to being able to better myself.

952
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: And yeah, okay, Brody, best of luck. I hope at

953
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 2: the very least you get yourself a new Toyota Brodie

954
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: McAllister chiefs and all blacks Howker, all blacks Hoker? How

955
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: about that?

956
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: Now?

957
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. This is why I think that

958
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: at best, probably the US if we accept that the

959
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: Iranians were building a nuclear weapon and come on. Of course,

960
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: this will only delay it because it looks like the

961
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: US hasn't quite managed to do the extent of damage

962
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: that Trump has suggested they have. There were three sites

963
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: that were bombed. Isfahan was the deepest, and this is

964
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: where it's believed nearly sixty percent of Iran's nuclear stockpile

965
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: was supposed to be stored underground. For some reason, the

966
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: US didn't use the bunker busters there. They used Tomahawk

967
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: cruise missiles instead. They don't do nearly as much damage,

968
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: and therefore the damage to Isfahan is it looks like

969
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: it's restricted to the above ground structures, so there's more

970
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: to do there by the looks of things. But also

971
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: because Trumpy had given them a two week warning and said,

972
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: if you don't do the stuff in two weeks, I'm

973
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: going to bomb you. They It appears that they may

974
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 2: have got a lot of the stuff out because there's

975
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: a lot of satellite images going around showing that there

976
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: were trucks and bulldozers and security convoys arriving at these

977
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: sites and analysts reckon. It was a frantic effort to

978
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: move the centrifugias and the shielding materials and all the

979
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: stuff away. So they possibly managed, and they reckon, they

980
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: managed to get it all out. So there you go,

981
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: five twenty two.

982
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 3: Checking the point of the story.

983
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

984
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: get connected and youth talks.

985
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: They'd be five twenty five. So Caleb Clark gay. So,

986
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: as we've discussed, Caleb Clark has today been given a

987
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 2: discharge without conviction for fleeing from police. Now what happened

988
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: if you haven't followed this is back in December. The

989
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: police clocked him. By the way, he's the all black.

990
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: The police clocked him speeding on his Yamaha motorbike. He

991
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: was on the Northwestern Away in Auckland Air It was

992
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: around about Western Springs and he was going faster than

993
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: he was allowed to at eighty ks. So the coppers

994
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: signaled for him to stop. They used their lights and sirens.

995
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: He saw that and then he sped up and fled

996
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: the police. He left the motorway on Great North Road,

997
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: continued its speed towards Blockhouse Bay. At one point he

998
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: was in a fifty k area because it was residential

999
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: because people live on that street, and he was going

1000
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 2: one hundred and ten k's per hour on his motorbike.

1001
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: Then he ran a red light. By this time they

1002
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: had the chopper up in the sky trying to stop him.

1003
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: They got him in the end. He pleaded guilty in February,

1004
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: and he got a discharge without conviction today. Now I

1005
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: know what you're going to say, Oh, special treatment. It's

1006
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: not the case. This is not a story about an

1007
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: all black getting special treatment, because this is not special treatment.

1008
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: As far as we know. This was his first offense,

1009
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: and it is pretty normal for a first time offender

1010
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: to get a discharge without conviction. If it isn't a

1011
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: big deal, is it a big deal?

1012
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 3: Though?

1013
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a big We'll get back to that.

1014
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: This is really a story about how our legal system

1015
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: has lost the place, because even two of Caleb Clark's

1016
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: sponsors dropped him after this, because of course they dropped

1017
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: him after this, because this is a big deal. I mean,

1018
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: he didn't just make one mistake in the heat of

1019
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: the moment. He for several kilometers and for a fair

1020
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: amount of time, kept on deciding to run away from

1021
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: the cops, to the extent that the police got the

1022
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: chopper up at all of that expense. That is how

1023
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: serious they thought the situation was. It's pretty full on.

1024
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 2: It's full on enough for two sponsors to say they

1025
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: don't want to be associated with him and they don't

1026
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: want him anywhere they near the brand. But what is

1027
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: bizarre to me is that our legal system thinks this

1028
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: is not serious enough to warrant a conviction. As I say,

1029
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: this is not Caleb Clark getting special treatment. This is normal.

1030
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: This shouldn't be normal though, right together do for c

1031
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: Ellen Heather. I'm driving down the motorway screaming you can

1032
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: go from sixty percent enriched uranium to a bomb in

1033
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 2: a very short period of time. There are one hundred

1034
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 2: meters underground for one reason only, for goodness, sake Greek.

1035
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: I think most of us can see, you know, I mean,

1036
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: I feel like the un is still la lah. It's okay,

1037
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: but the rest of us are like, this sort of

1038
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: looks dodgy as hell. Anyhow, we're going to talk to

1039
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: the huddle about that shortly. Also, Nikola willis, who's with

1040
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 2: us after six o'clock. But let's get to that pole

1041
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: on the Cock's next.

1042
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.

1043
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

1044
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

1045
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 3: They'd Ben.

1046
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 2: Bringly talk about Clark gathered at some stage probably before

1047
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: six o'clock. So get yourself just mental, like you steal

1048
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: yourself for that. We're going to talk about it. The

1049
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: huddle is standing by. Hither the key issue here with

1050
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: the Caleb Clark, oh Wayne reckons that Caleb should pay

1051
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: for the chopper. I don't have that idea. Hither, the

1052
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: key issue here is that stupid piece of five lane

1053
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 2: motorway that got dropped down to eighty k's during COVID lockdown.

1054
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: It's probably a cash cow for the cops. It's ridiculous.

1055
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: I know that that should be one h ten at

1056
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: the very least, so he was you know, I mean

1057
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: he was driving a pro prietly, wasn't he for how

1058
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: the speed limit should be except that is against the

1059
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: rules and when the cops turn on the lights and sirens,

1060
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 2: you got to pay that attention twenty four away from six. Now,

1061
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 2: most key, we think that if the Cook Island's Prime Minister,

1062
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: Mark Brown carries on with his foreign policy antics, New

1063
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: Zealand should withdraw automatic access to New Zealand, including passport's

1064
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 2: healthcare and superannuation from the Cox Curia and the Taxpayers

1065
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: Union has given us some polling showing forty six percent

1066
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: of people agree with that, only thirty percent disagree. Now,

1067
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: Associate Professor Annapol's is a Pacific security expert from Massi

1068
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: University and with us, Now, Anna Hellore, let's start with

1069
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: whether this is going to happen or not. I mean,

1070
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: this is this is there is no way that this

1071
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: ever happens? Am I right?

1072
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: No?

1073
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 20: No, I do not foresee Cook Island as losing that access.

1074
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: Why not?

1075
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 20: Well, for a start, there is the special relationship between

1076
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 20: Cook Islands and Alto in New Zealand and where where

1077
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 20: by New Zealand has a constitutional responsibility towards Cork Islands,

1078
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 20: which is in free association, which is a term that's

1079
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 20: used with New Zealand, and.

1080
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: It is a very it's a deep.

1081
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 20: Relationship as a as a Pacific journalist said recently, it's

1082
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 20: a relationship based on family and foreign policy and as

1083
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 20: well as the financial side.

1084
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: So there is some way to.

1085
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 20: The only way that that would potentially happen would be

1086
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 20: if Cork Islands became a fully independent.

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Speaker 2: State, which the people don't want right.

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Speaker 20: Well, certainly the Prime Minister Mark Brown has has stated

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Speaker 20: on a number of occasions that he would like to

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Speaker 20: see Cork Island's full independence, and that's where deeply mining,

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Speaker 20: for instance, becomes a really key mechanism or vehicle for

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Speaker 20: achieving that. But for many Cook Islanders it's fairly divided

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Speaker 20: and it's really complex and there are significant benefits, particularly

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Speaker 20: with respect to healthcare and access to good health care.

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Speaker 2: Now do you think that that slight majority in the

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Speaker 2: poll though, gives Winston Peter's the ability to threaten Mirk

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Speaker 2: Brown with.

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Speaker 20: That, Well, I think firstly we need to keep in mind,

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Speaker 20: obviously the sampling number for this poll, which is around

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Speaker 20: one thousand people. I don't think that it will be

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Speaker 20: particularly wise for Minister Peters to seek to continue to

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Speaker 20: kind of sort of leverage, leverage or these sort of

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Speaker 20: you know what he may see sort of a bargaining

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Speaker 20: chip with Cockland. It's not likely to be successful. Well,

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Speaker 20: I mean it's just for a start. It does not

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Speaker 20: reflect the sort of the manner of the relationship. It

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Speaker 20: does not reflect the depth of the relationship.

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Speaker 2: What if though the Cock Island officials were not turning

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Speaker 2: up to meetings, refusing to take meetings, just blanking New

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Speaker 2: Zealand officials. If that was the level of the relationship,

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Speaker 2: then how much money is there?

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Speaker 20: Well, this is the question for both Cook Islands and

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Speaker 20: for New Zealand. I mean, this is not just This

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Speaker 20: does not just rest with New Zealand. No, I think

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Speaker 20: we need to be clear on this. There has been concern,

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Speaker 20: as you say, that Ministry Foreign Affairs and Trade officials

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Speaker 20: have had difficulty accessing meetings with key individuals within the

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Speaker 20: Cork Islands system, and that that also obviously needs to

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Speaker 20: be on the table in order to address that. Using

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Speaker 20: development assistance such as the pause on the twenty million

1121
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Speaker 20: as leverage is not likely to be successful. And this

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Speaker 20: is where there needs to be some creative thinking on

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Speaker 20: the part both in Wellington and in Cook Islands, because

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Speaker 20: if the relationship is to it's to move forward in

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Speaker 20: a positive way, which sort of reflects what the bulk

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Speaker 20: of New Zealanders and Cook Islanders would like to see

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Speaker 20: is a healthy, strong, trusted relationship. All right, then they

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Speaker 20: need to reassess how they're engaging.

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Speaker 2: And thank you, I really appreciate your time. Annapol's associate

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Speaker 2: professor at the Center for Defense and Security Studies at

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Speaker 2: Massi University.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand, Southeby's International Realty, Find you

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Speaker 2: now on the huddle, we've got Trish Sharson from Sherston

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Speaker 2: Willis PR and Joseph GARNEI of Child Fund Hello you too.

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Speaker 7: Hello Hello.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Trish that the US should have bombed

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Speaker 2: those Iranian nuclear sites?

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Speaker 7: I don't.

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Speaker 21: And here's why. Number One, I don't trust the strategy

1142
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 21: or the intent of the Trump administration. I don't trust

1143
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 21: any of the facts that they're going to put out

1144
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 21: around this, and in my view, what we know about

1145
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 21: Trump is he's got a hero complex. So this is

1146
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Speaker 21: the guy who said I'm going to fix the Ukraine

1147
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Speaker 21: war within what was it a week or twenty four

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Speaker 21: hours after becoming president. To me, this reeks of another

1149
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Speaker 21: one of his sort of flood the zone tactics. I'm

1150
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 21: not doing what I said i'd do over here. He's

1151
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Speaker 21: a president who said there would be the US would

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Speaker 21: not enter animal wars and heyhof Off egos And do you.

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Speaker 2: Leave it though? Do you leave them just sitting there

1154
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: enriching that uranium. Do you just accept that they want

1155
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: a new than they will have a new Well, I

1156
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: just I don't believe that they had reached probably the

1157
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Speaker 2: threshold here.

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Speaker 12: And in my view, as we know that.

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Speaker 21: Israel were they have been itching to do something. And

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Speaker 21: as I say, this is more about me not trusting

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Speaker 21: the Trump administration to have done the work to have

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Speaker 21: gone in at this point.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think interesting?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, don't forget.

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Speaker 22: We had an agreement, the Joint Program for Action or

1166
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Speaker 22: whatever it was called, that Obama negotiated with Iran for

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Speaker 22: them not to develop a nuclear weapon, and that was

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Speaker 22: actually going quite well. That the signs were and the

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Speaker 22: inspectors were seeing that the levels of Ukrainium had gone down.

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Speaker 22: Now you know, now Trump basically ripped the whole thing up,

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Speaker 22: and that's partly why we're in this situation now. So

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Speaker 22: the problem is, you know, it's a big gamble. Worst

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Speaker 22: case scenario Iran retaliate. I mean they're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 22: blockading the Strait, stopping ships get through. There's hundreds of

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Speaker 22: thousands of US troops in the region. They could start

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Speaker 22: targeting those US troops, targeting embassies. They've still got some proxies.

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Speaker 22: So hamas Hesbala, yep, you know, collapsed and greatly weakened,

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Speaker 22: but they've still got the hooties. They've still got you know,

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Speaker 22: others in other areas. So you know, you could unleash

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Speaker 22: a sort of terror. So it's a huge gamble that

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Speaker 22: Trump has taken. The US is taken, and we know

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Speaker 22: from history.

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Speaker 2: Right, doesn't building a nuke?

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Speaker 12: Oh, I'm sure they were. Look these are bad guys, right.

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Speaker 2: They're really bad. Do you do you believe they were

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Speaker 2: building a nutrient? Yes, I do, I do.

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Speaker 21: There's no doubt that they have been developing.

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Speaker 12: Before you finish that.

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Speaker 22: The other thing to bear in mind it's not just

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Speaker 22: the impact of will just escalate into Third World War.

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Speaker 22: And you look at the nineteen thirty eight we had

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Speaker 22: lots of unrelated centers of war Italy, Spain, Abyssinia, and

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Speaker 22: suddenly it all became World War Two. We've got the

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Speaker 22: similar situation here, lots of theaters of war Ukraine. But

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Speaker 22: the point is you know that they they if Trump,

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Speaker 22: you know, if they do retaliate, it'll be awful. But

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Speaker 22: the other thing is that they by doing this, Trump

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Speaker 22: has shown that you know, it's clearly illegal. It's not

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Speaker 22: self defense. The point about self defense is that has

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Speaker 22: to be okay, okay, but.

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Speaker 2: Hang on attack. So let's accept we all three except

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Speaker 2: that we believe that around was building a nuke? Right,

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00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 2: So at what point, what do you do, Trish to

1204
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: stop them getting to that point?

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Speaker 21: Well, this was a part of what was supposed to

1206
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 21: be an ongoing negotiation to get what do you do.

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Speaker 2: It's now twenty twenty five or halfway through the year.

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00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: Trump's the previce.

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Speaker 12: You signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

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Speaker 2: Well that's Trump.

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Speaker 22: It did seven to eighty percent, It did stop them heat,

1212
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Speaker 22: But never mind what happened. What do you do now,

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Speaker 22: So now I think you go back to the negotiating table.

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Speaker 22: I think the Millers and I Tellaho many are in

1215
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 22: a very weak position. This is and right now, I'm

1216
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Speaker 22: talking right now.

1217
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: All the bombs. Right. What I'm trying to establish is

1218
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Speaker 2: I can't see that there was another option. And I'm

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Speaker 2: happy to be told there was, but I can't see

1220
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: that there was another option. Now, if you accept that

1221
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: there's no other option, they are building a nuke, there's

1222
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: no other option. You've got to bomb those sites. Then

1223
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,479
Speaker 2: is now not the best time to bomb those sites?

1224
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: Because you've got you've got Hamas totally down, You've got

1225
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: those other chaps has bollered down, you've got rush Strategically.

1226
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Speaker 22: Yes, militarily yes yes, but whether or not that's the

1227
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Speaker 22: best thing to do to stop it escalation of war

1228
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Speaker 22: in the Middle East and it But I said that,

1229
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 22: I know that, But how negotiate and how else do

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Speaker 22: you subject comprehensive plan of actions?

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Speaker 7: You try?

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Speaker 22: Because they're weak, right, and they want to see those

1233
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 22: sanctions lifted from the US. And I actually think you're

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00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 22: in a really strong position, do you, and don't forget

1235
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 22: you talk first before the bobs.

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Speaker 21: And don't forget Iran has always looked to negotiate, So this,

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Speaker 21: despite this being a shocking regime, they have always worked

1238
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 21: to negotiate. And the issue I have here, it's highlighted

1239
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 21: in by Trump today, who's saying, you know, oh, you know,

1240
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 21: now this is about getting a regime change. Well that

1241
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 21: that is not the purpose of going in and bombing

1242
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 21: these sites, and so that that is the problem that

1243
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 21: we've got as the world now is not being able

1244
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 21: to trust the foundation for this, the information for this,

1245
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 21: or or really what we have no idea now what

1246
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 21: what might happen and hopefully what we hope for is

1247
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 21: it's a bit like when General Salemina was assassinated, and

1248
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 21: that was under the last Trump administration, where there was

1249
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 21: a sort of token we all thought, oh god, this

1250
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 21: is going to escalate into Third World War. Then there

1251
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 21: was a token tip for Tat, and I hope that's

1252
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 21: what will happen now. There'll be some token tip for Tat.

1253
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 21: Some you know, Iran will react in some way.

1254
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Speaker 22: It'll be enough to say we all go back to

1255
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 22: the drawing board, and for God's sake, Trump has to

1256
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 22: shut up about raging change.

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Speaker 2: Shake a break and come back to you, guys, it's

1258
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: fourteen away from six.

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Speaker 2: Are You're back with the heart altricious? And Joseph Beganni right, Josie,

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Speaker 2: So what do you think of Caleb Clark getting the

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Speaker 2: discharge without conviction?

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Speaker 12: Well, I feel like it's his first offense.

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Speaker 2: I mean as a police chop Aray's.

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Speaker 22: I didn't know that detail. Heaven, when I heard you

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Speaker 22: say that, I was thinking all the police chopper was out.

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Speaker 22: But I do think if you you know this is

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Speaker 22: whole thing. Oh, you're in all black, you're getting special treatments,

1270
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Speaker 22: but also as an all black you shouldn't get worse treatment, right,

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Speaker 22: Both of those things are true, and I look at

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Speaker 22: that just remove the fact that he's an all black.

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Speaker 22: He's clearly hugely remorseful, his family normal.

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Speaker 21: No, to me, it's the it's the running from the cops.

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Speaker 21: We've all done dumb stuff and broke We've all run

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Speaker 21: with the cops. Well no, no, no, no no, we've

1277
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Speaker 21: all broken the speed limit.

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Speaker 2: But it's drunk the girlfriend.

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Speaker 21: But it's the decision to run from the cops that

1280
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Speaker 21: elevates this, and the bigger issue here is not the

1281
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 21: individual that decides to run. But we all know the

1282
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Speaker 21: number of times that police chasers have ended in other

1283
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Speaker 21: people getting seriously injured and harmed. It's a really serious.

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Speaker 22: Realizes that trist From what I've seen of the interviews afterwards,

1285
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Speaker 22: he cried and caught. He's gone through the ringers, right, Jo.

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Speaker 2: I am not trying to pick on Caleb. No, I'm

1287
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Speaker 2: not asking for Caleb to get a really tough punishment.

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Speaker 2: I just think it is mental that in this country

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Speaker 2: if you run from the cops to this extent with

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Speaker 2: the chopper in the air, we got first offense discharged

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Speaker 2: with that conviction, and that should not be normal, should it.

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 22: I think I understand what you're saying this, and is

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Speaker 22: there a it would be interesting to look at other

1295
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Speaker 22: cases that might be similar. I mean, I hope not

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Speaker 22: too many cases similar with the chopper out, but and

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Speaker 22: whether or not they also got sort of first first offender,

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Speaker 22: you know, got mat off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's it's it's the question of

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Speaker 2: whether this is normal. We don't know whether it is.

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Speaker 21: But the worrying thing I think for the court system

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Speaker 21: is that there are questions around whether or not there's

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Speaker 21: consistency and whether or not serious first time offenses are

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Speaker 21: getting just discharges without conviction. I think that's the thing

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Speaker 21: because people start to lose faith.

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Speaker 12: Why was he running from the cops? I don't know, See,

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Speaker 12: that's the question I have.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he didn't. It didn't sound like he

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: was Boo's day. He wasn't boozed.

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Speaker 12: No, no, he definitely wasn't.

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't even sound like he was excessively speeding

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Speaker 2: in the advisor.

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Speaker 12: I'm very glad that he's no longer riding a motorbike

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Speaker 12: like my son. That's a blessing.

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Speaker 2: Take that one away. Hey, listen very quickly. I just

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01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: want to pick your brains about something. You guys, do

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01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: you sauna after your cold plunge every morning?

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Speaker 12: No, intimately I do.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 21: I'm a cold girl, not a hot girl. So I'm

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Speaker 21: the kind of person I look at a spar pool

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01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 21: on a cold winsnight and I go, oh, that'd be nice,

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Speaker 21: and then I get in five minutes or not in.

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Speaker 2: Life thing. I know you don't like.

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Speaker 21: This is not a time of life thing, but thank you,

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Speaker 21: this is more of a I'm a I like I

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Speaker 21: like cold, cold water and and being refreshed by cold water.

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Speaker 21: I don't like to steep in Yeah, yeah situation.

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Speaker 2: Do you love that because you live in Wellington where

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Speaker 2: it literally is.

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Speaker 12: Like you're atless of summer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, you need a sauna, but I think it feels

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Speaker 22: a real clean heat. I get white people sitting in it. Well,

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Speaker 22: I wasna well. I was still swimming in the ocean

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Speaker 22: on the weekend, so I find.

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Speaker 2: That a very Did you go for a up in

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Speaker 2: your pool this morning?

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Speaker 15: I went for a dip in my.

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Speaker 21: Pull at six thirty this morning, which was a pool.

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Speaker 2: Trish, you got a pool?

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Speaker 21: No, I haven't got pool.

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Speaker 16: I haven't got.

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Speaker 3: Runner to the either.

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Speaker 2: Sorry something. Don't you live on a gigantic block of land.

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Speaker 21: I'm sure here that's going to get into the cold

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Speaker 21: plungers shortly.

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Speaker 2: I can speak my hand in the pool because we

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Speaker 2: had the pool pull and I stuck my hand in

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Speaker 2: the pool. Got to get the leaves out. Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: we live in Aukland, Lord, I stuck it in because

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Speaker 2: I've got summer. Anyway, that was cold. Yeah, we're not

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Speaker 2: going in that for a while. Are we anyway, Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much, ladies appreciate it. Trishurs and Joe Sipaghani.

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Speaker 2: So huddle seven away from six it's the.

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Speaker 2: Hither I agree with you, there's no doubt a run

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Speaker 2: we're trying to develop nukes. However, who gives Israel in

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Speaker 2: the US the right to start a war against them?

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Speaker 2: I reckon. The Chinese are watching closely now and what

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Speaker 2: a fine time for them to take Taiwan. Unfortunately a

1363
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Speaker 2: precedent has been set way exactly to the point I

1364
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Speaker 2: was saying at the very start of the program. It

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Speaker 2: does distract the US to some extent if they get

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Speaker 2: more involved. But who else is going to stop the

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Speaker 2: older Iranians developing the nuke if it's not Israel and

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Speaker 2: the US, because the other Israel is the one most

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Speaker 2: at risk right anyway, we'll talk to Nikolaulas when she's

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Speaker 2: with us, just get her take on well, why we

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Speaker 2: haven't taken the same position as the Australians on this. Actually,

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Speaker 2: now four away from six, I need to talk about

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Speaker 2: Clark Gayford. So as you know, Clark and Jacinda like

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Speaker 2: to make a birthday cake every year for the little one,

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Speaker 2: Neve and Clark and then turn it into a social

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Speaker 2: media thing. Clark did it again this year. This year,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to simplify things by making a smash cake.

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Speaker 2: It was going well into this point and Neve loved it.

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Speaker 3: Does he like it?

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Speaker 14: Now?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you need to go and look at this because

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Speaker 2: it has blown my mind. I don't understand. I don't

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Speaker 2: understand this. So it is so elaborate. Okay, he's got

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Speaker 2: the hot glue gun it I don't understand why the

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01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: hot blue gun is out. He's made a stencil of

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01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 2: the jelly cat. He's got chocolate melting. Then he's got

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Speaker 2: these two half bits of plastic that he puts chocolate

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Speaker 2: in between, and then he like squishes them together and

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Speaker 2: then lets it set. And that's like a chocolate dome

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Speaker 2: that he then has to put the chocolate jelly cat

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Speaker 2: on the front. Now I'm panicking about this because I

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01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: don't have time, and I'm thinking, is this what all

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Speaker 2: children need?

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Speaker 9: Is this normal?

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me if this is normal or not?

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Speaker 2: To go like that elaborate? The Germans says to me,

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Speaker 2: she's absolutely, what is she baking?

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Speaker 14: What are you baking.

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Speaker 2: A chocolate cake with hearts on it? Also that sounds

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01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: a lot more manageable. Can the kids not just have

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01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 2: a baked chocolate cake nowadays? Is this is not normal?

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Speaker 16: As you say?

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Speaker 3: Keeping track of where the money is flowing?

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Speaker 1: The Business hour with hid the duplicy Ellen and mass

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Speaker 1: insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future.

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Speaker 2: News talks that be evening coming up in the next hour.

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Speaker 2: Shane Solly on how the market's reacted to the bombing,

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Speaker 2: Stephen Hoadley on what would happened if Irun blocks the

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Speaker 2: straight up humors and Gavin Gray's with US out of

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Speaker 2: the UK at six past seven and with US now

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Speaker 2: is oh seven past six rather? Nikola Willis Finance Minster

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Speaker 2: Hei Nakeler, Hi, Nicola, what's our government's position on the

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Speaker 2: US bombing?

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Speaker 4: Well, we continue to be a strong supporter of the

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Speaker 4: international rule based order. At the same time, we've consistently

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Speaker 4: opposed Iran's nuclear program along with other countries, and we

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Speaker 4: believe that Iran should never possess a NYUK. And we've

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Speaker 4: acknowledged the US statement to the UN Security Council that

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Speaker 4: it was acting in collective self defense consistent with the

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Speaker 4: UN Charter and our position now as we support all

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Speaker 4: efforts at diplomacy and de escalation, that is good for

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Speaker 4: the world.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're not doing the same as the Australians are.

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Speaker 2: They're backing the US bombing. We're not doing that.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think Penny Wog's made statements today obviously the

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Speaker 4: basis of her position is similar, and that the Australia

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Speaker 4: also like New Zealand, has instantly opposed Iran's nuclear program.

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Speaker 4: They are continuing to call for diplomacy and dialogue. They

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01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 4: too support the real based order. So it's made me

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Speaker 4: quote statement today.

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Speaker 2: Let me quote Anthony Albanezi for you. He said, the

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Speaker 2: world has long agreed Iran cannot be allowed to get

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Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. We support action to prevent that.

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Speaker 14: That is what this is.

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Speaker 4: Well back in or that our Foreign Minister will continue

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Speaker 4: to make comments in the coming days as the situation developed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we basically we need more evidence yet well, I.

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Speaker 4: Think our Foreign Minister is continuing to take briefings and

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01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,919
Speaker 4: observe the situation. We've made our position on a number

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01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 4: of principled matters very clear and we will continue to

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Speaker 4: comment in response to events as they unfold.

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Speaker 2: Do we believe they're trying to make a nuke?

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Speaker 4: Well, that is certainly what the US have said, and

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Speaker 4: I cannot give you access to any particular information that

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01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,959
Speaker 4: I've received or briefing that I've received on that matter.

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Speaker 14: So I can simply say that that was the of

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01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 14: the US.

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01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: Okay, if we accept that they were probably come on,

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01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 2: I mean, like circumstantially, it looks like they were trying

1450
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 2: to make a nuke, right, and they have a good

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01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 2: motivation to try to make it.

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Speaker 14: They had bunkers under the ground, didn't they, So of the.

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Speaker 2: Game a little yeah, and as well as that, I mean,

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01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 2: you know, and you could prevent this kind of thing

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01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 2: happening to them, So they have good reason to want

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Speaker 2: to make a nuke. Now, if they are trying to

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01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 2: make a nuke, what other option did we? Was there

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01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: another option rather than just bombing them?

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Speaker 4: Well, of course, our long standing position has been that

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01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 4: we support diplomatic efforts rather than military efforts, and wherever

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01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 4: that is possible, that's what we are what we support,

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01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 4: and countries will make decisions based on when they think

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01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 4: those diplomatic efforts are no longer working and when threats

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Speaker 4: are real, and in this case, the US had viewed

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Speaker 4: that there was a real threat and that they needed

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Speaker 4: to take action and self defense.

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Speaker 19: Ok.

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Speaker 2: Hey, so that GDP figure last week was kind of heartening.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that we're through the worst of this recession?

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I think we were doing very well in

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Speaker 4: the first months of the year. For context, we doubled

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Speaker 4: the growth rate that Treasury had forecast and we were

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01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 4: at zero point eight, whereas Australia was only at zero

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01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:10,879
Speaker 4: point two in the first three months.

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Speaker 14: Of the year.

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01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 4: So we were doing really well. That domestic recovery was underway.

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01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 4: But I'm acutely conscious that as of April we had

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01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 4: the US tariffs and that provides real headwinds to New

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01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 4: Zealand's growth. And what you've seen since then is a

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01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 4: downgrade in confidence in some other activity measures. So my

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01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 4: message has been actually, the fundamentals here are really good.

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01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 4: The recovery has been underway, and the worst thing we

1483
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 4: can do now is all tuck up into our corners,

1484
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 4: put our heads down and not be confident. Actually, yep,

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01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 4: the world's throwing stuff at us, but this is a

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01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 4: good place to be doing business. And we have every

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01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:48,879
Speaker 4: reason to keep in best.

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01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: Is that what you're worried about it you worried about

1489
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 2: it like a confidence that you're seeing.

1490
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 4: Yes, I always worry that when international events are unfolding

1491
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 4: in the way that they are currently, that just creates uncertainty.

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01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 4: Very natural businesses look at that uncertainty and they say, well,

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01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what that means, and then that in

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01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 4: itself feeds into a lack of activity. I can't change

1495
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 4: that reality. Businesses will make their own decisions. But my

1496
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 4: message is the fundamentals and our economy relative to other

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01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 4: economies in the world, are looking good. We've had stable inflation,

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01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 4: interest rates have come down, we've got a pro growth,

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01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 4: government investments coming in, Commodity prices are high. Those factors

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Speaker 4: continue to be the case. We can't control what the

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01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 4: world throws at us, but we can control what we

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01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 4: do here at home.

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Speaker 2: Do you worry about stagflation because I see asb is

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01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: worried about it.

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01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 4: Well, I do worry about the inflationary pressure that could

1506
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 4: occur if there was a spike in oil prices and

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01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 4: the challenges that would create for our economy. And I'm

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01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 4: conscious that, as I said, our economic recovery is only

1509
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 4: just underway. But I am confident that the Reserve Bank

1510
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 4: still has a lot of room to make decisions in

1511
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 4: relation to inflation, and that we've got very sound fiscal

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 4: and economic manager here. That means that we've got more

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01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 4: buffers than some might around the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of happening.

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01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 23: Now.

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Speaker 2: Have you got yourself across what Actor is trying to

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Speaker 2: do making it easier for bosses to fire staff earning

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty thousand dollars plus?

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Speaker 14: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 4: This is a bill that has been introduced as a

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01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 4: consequence of our coalition agreement with the Act, and essentially

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01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 4: what it proposes is an income threshold of one hundred

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01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 4: and eighty k or more above which you can only

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Speaker 4: do a personal grievance if it's for discrimination or harassment

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Speaker 4: or one of those grounds, but you can't lodge a

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Speaker 4: personal grievance for unjustified dismissal. It's a change that has

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01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 4: been reportedly pursued in Australia, where apparently it's been quite

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01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 4: effective at supporting open and frank conversations between what are

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Speaker 4: highly paid senior employees.

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Speaker 2: Are you okay with you guys? Going to support this,

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 4: Well, it is obviously supported in that we're introducing the

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01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 4: legislation and that's a cabinet agreement to do that. We will,

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Speaker 4: of course, as we always do, pay attention to the

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01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 4: select committee process. But the intention here is to support

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01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 4: businesses to be able to move on people who are

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Speaker 4: standing in the way.

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Speaker 23: Hold on.

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Speaker 2: You guys and the ACT Party are the two parties

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01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 2: that are the most about ambition in this country. Get

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01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 2: yourself up, get yourself earning money, be rich, right, it's

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01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:28,919
Speaker 2: about it's about absolutely You guys are about celebrating people's success.

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01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 2: So how come when people start to be successful, we go,

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01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 2: I'll treat you differently. You can get fired more easily.

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01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 2: How does that square off for you?

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01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 14: Absolutely? National as a party of aspiration.

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01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 4: Part of that is about allowing employers to give workers

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01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 4: a go in a high impact senior position by five

1549
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 4: hourserned No, but without being concerned that if it doesn't

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01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,600
Speaker 4: work out, there will be a very costly, very disruptive

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01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 4: Wait give.

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01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: The nineteen day trial. What are you talking about?

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,839
Speaker 4: Well, this is about voting people into high impact positions

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01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 4: and judging their performance. So our view is, yes, we

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01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 4: want to see people reaching these senior roles. We want

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01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 4: to see them performing well in these roles.

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01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 2: Can I put it to you that for a party

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01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 2: that's about ambition, you're going pretty hard, making it hard,

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01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 2: making life a lot harder for people on one eighty

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 2: plus than people who aren't. Right, you're taking benefits away

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01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 2: from them, your income test, your means testing at one eighty,

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01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,839
Speaker 2: and now you're saying people can get fired. And actually

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Speaker 2: I would have thought those are the very people who

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Speaker 2: need to be more sure of their jobs, given that

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01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 2: they're probably raising families at that level.

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Speaker 4: Well, of course, most of those people can be very

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01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 4: confident in their jobs. Actually, what this is about is

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Speaker 4: them not being able to claim an unjustified dismissal as

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Speaker 4: a personal grievance.

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Speaker 14: It is a very very.

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01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 4: Small group of people to whom that applies. If they

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01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 4: are mistreated in their work because of discrimination or harassment,

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01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 4: they still have all legal right to raise a personal grievance.

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Speaker 4: And at the same time, many of these employees who

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01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 4: are on those high wages are there because they have

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01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 4: high degrees of skill and experience in a highly employable All.

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Speaker 2: Right, did you get the price that will carpet for us.

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01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 4: No, I did not, But I have read the same

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01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,440
Speaker 4: reports that you have that it is a Breamworth manufacturer

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01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 4: who's sealed that deal and it's going to lead to

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01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 4: their factory, including an wang Annoy operation.

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01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 2: No, no, no, don't give me the spin. I hear

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01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 2: your spin. I hear it coming at me.

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01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 14: That's just the truth here.

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Speaker 2: Are you going just be honest with me? Are you

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01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 2: going to get me the price or not?

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Speaker 4: I have double checked this, triple jets this and every

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Speaker 4: statement I have made has been verified, which is the

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01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 4: price for the new contract is no more than they

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01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 4: were paying for nylon.

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Speaker 14: That's a deal here that.

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Speaker 2: No, No, you can I want to know the price

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01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 2: per square meter? I don't believe you.

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01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 14: But did you know the price per square meter of

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01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 14: the old contract? And can you?

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01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 4: But you don't know all the terms and conditions of

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01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 4: the contract price. Look, I trust that in this instance.

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Speaker 14: That they can't.

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01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,879
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm not providing I'm not providing any evasion.

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Speaker 4: I have absolutely scrutinized this. I've said, can I make

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01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 4: the claim to all of the listeners to news talks

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01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 4: b you have isn't actually resulting in a higher price

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01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 4: and they've said absolutely. In fact, when you look at

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01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 4: the overall retenders, they are coming in just a little

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01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 4: bit cheaper.

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Speaker 2: Oh nonsense contracts. Do you want it? Do you want

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01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: to come?

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01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 14: I can only repeat to you the advice I've received.

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01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:44,560
Speaker 1: No.

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01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 2: But the longer this goes on, the dodgy it looks

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01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: you know that.

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01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 4: No, I'm not going to get into the practice of

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01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 4: revealing the commercial terms of private contracts.

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01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 2: I believe, and I'll give you one more chance. I'll

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01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,560
Speaker 2: give you one more chance, Nika, I'll ask you.

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01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 4: I'm going to keep giving you the benefit of the

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01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 4: doubt to James that one day you're going to come

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01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 4: around to the idea that a good contract that delivers wholesome, sustainable,

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01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 4: healthy will to New Zealand houses and supports our sheep

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01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 4: industry is just a good thing.

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01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 14: There's no need to pick the eyes out of it.

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01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 14: Thank you, just a happy day, thank you here that.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your time as always. Nikola Willis Finance Minister.

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01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: A dodgy is howe if they can't give us the number,

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01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: We'll ask one more time.

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Speaker 1: Six eighteen It's the Heather Duplicy Allan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 2: Hither it's the lineal broad meter, not square meter irmula,

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01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 2: thank you, But the nylon carpet was meeted in the

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01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,839
Speaker 2: square meter. Therefore, we need to not complicate the situation

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01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 2: to try to keep it apples for apples. You know,

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01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 2: if we're going to try and get a number here

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 2: here that Israel has repeatedly said a run as wex

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01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 2: months weeks away from a nuke for the last twenty

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01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 2: years and yet know nuke if they wanted in nuke,

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01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:06,560
Speaker 2: that have one. That's a fair point to make. So

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01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 2: take Israel out of the equation. Just look at what

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01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 2: has been independently verified. Ten years ago, it was like

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01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 2: three percent or thereabouts. Three two years ago, let's say

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01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 2: the IAEA found uranium metal production near eighty four percent enrichment,

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01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: and then officially about sixty percent earlier this month. So

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01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 2: if you just look at what is being said independently,

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01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 2: it is definitely escalating. Six twenty one. Shane Solly Harbor

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01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 2: Asset Managements with US. Hey Shane, Hello Heather. So how

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01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 2: the capital markets reacted to the bombing.

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Speaker 24: Well, pretty muted reaction really. To the weekends events, we've

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01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 24: actually seen global shear market index futures. This is where

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01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 24: markets think about what may happen in the future. When

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01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 24: markets opened up in the Northern Hemisphere, actually they gypped

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01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 24: and then their rebounded, So you were shear market market's

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01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,600
Speaker 24: telling us longing to me down point two percent, so

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01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 24: pretty cautious response. Specially saw a lot of the Middle

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01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 24: Eastern shear markets up over Sunday. US dollars pretty flat,

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01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 24: US bond's pretty flat. Oil spiked up five percent today

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01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 24: and then ended pretty much not up very much at all,

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01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 24: and they're locally. We've seen our dollar down a little

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01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 24: bit against the US door are at fifty nine to

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01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 24: twenty ten year New Zealand government bond rape steady at

1662
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 24: four point six percent, New Zealand shar market down just

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01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 24: zero point three percent, and the other Ossi shar market

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01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 24: down zero point four percent, so pretty resilient.

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Speaker 2: Really, what do you think the market's going to do now?

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01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 24: Yeah, it's a tough one. We need to be pretty

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01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 24: careful about drawing too many conclusions about what happened in

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Speaker 24: the weekends. We're going to see markets remaining chopping, and

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Speaker 24: it depends a bit on whether these attacks actually stimulate

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01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 24: a widening war, particularly this disruptive retaliations were conflict is

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Speaker 24: actually quite contained, like Ukraine and to some degree like

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Speaker 24: we saw in the Iraq War in two thousand and three.

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Speaker 24: The key thing here that is the straits of allme

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Speaker 24: is getting closed by the Iranians. They've talked about a

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Speaker 24: lot since nineteen seventy nine when the Islamic Republic came

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01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 24: into voice. They've never done it. There's a bit of

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Speaker 24: speculation out there that if they closed the straits down

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01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 24: or cutting even back to fifty percent capacity for a

1679
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 24: week or two, we'd see Brent will potentially spike up

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Speaker 24: above one hundred dollars use a barrel that compares with

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Speaker 24: sort of mid seventies at the moment, and then there's

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Speaker 24: an expectation that OPEC would actually open up the taps.

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Speaker 24: There's plenty of capacity there. So look, I think you know,

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Speaker 24: markets do tend to recover from the events unless there's

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Speaker 24: a clear escalation. We should expect markets to think this

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01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 24: is probably the worst case and maybe we have this

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Speaker 24: higher all price, not too much higher, but a little

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01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 24: bit higher, and a bit of disruption, but really the

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Speaker 24: market keeps going through it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Shane, listen, thanks for talking us through it. Appreciated

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Speaker 2: as always. Talked to you next week, Shane Soley, Harbor

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Speaker 2: Asset Management, six twenty four.

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Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

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01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 3: the business hour.

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01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: We're the head the duplicl and theirs insurance and investments,

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01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be Heather.

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Speaker 2: Iran's leadership has two sworn ideals. One is the elimination

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Speaker 2: of the Israeli state. Two is the overthrow of the

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01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 2: Saudi monarchy. So no, they can't have nuclear weapons. Well, yeah,

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01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 2: of course they can't have nuclear weapons, thank you, Scott.

1702
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 2: So Heather, you need to follow Hamish Blake and unfollow

1703
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 2: Clark Gayford if you want to see some elaborate birthday cake.

1704
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: So this is what Laura of the German was telling me.

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01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,560
Speaker 2: She was like, Clark Gayford is the cheap version of

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01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 2: Hamish from Australia. Hamish from Australia. What's the other one's name?

1707
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 2: In the partnership is Hamish and Andy, and the Hamish

1708
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 2: gets hamish. The night has been made a thing where

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01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 2: the night before his child's birthday, he gets he starts

1710
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 2: baking like their elaborate cake, and he gets increasingly drunk,

1711
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 2: and people come over and visit him, and he tries

1712
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 2: to do it before they wake up in the morning,

1713
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 2: and it's it's just a sha mazzle. So that's kind

1714
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 2: of what Clark gave It is leaning into, but it

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01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 2: all just feels like it's panicked me. Heather, Are you

1716
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 2: jealous because Clark Gaveford is a better cook than you?

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01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 15: Yeah?

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01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't want to have to do this stuff. Heather,

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01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 2: You're not a real parent if you don't make a

1720
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 2: child a homemade birthday cake for their birthday. Really exclamation,

1721
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 2: make the time, get off your social media. I'm not

1722
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 2: on social media. I hate it. I saw it because

1723
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 2: it was in the news. I saw it on the Herald,

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01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 2: and you're not helping, Heather. For my son's second birthday,

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01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 2: I took the day off work to make him a

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01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 2: fantastic Thomas the Tank Engine cake. He didn't go to

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01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 2: his childcare that day, so I had him grizzling and

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01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 2: wine and clinging to my leg while I slapped away

1729
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Speaker 2: in the kitchen. That was the last time I made

1730
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 2: him a birthday cake. He loved the cake, but I

1731
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 2: realized he'd have preferred to have had my attention. Oh, sister,

1732
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you're a woman, so I can't imagine that

1733
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 2: a man would bother with that kind of Well Clark did,

1734
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 2: so I made a wrong assumption. You pressure my language.

1735
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 2: Do you know what I always think? I think the

1736
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 2: only thing, the most important thing to your children is

1737
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 2: your time, right, So don't give them a cake. If

1738
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 2: they want your time, just give them your time and

1739
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 2: just get them a little cupcake them. You will one

1740
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 2: candle in it or something and be like mummy made

1741
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:51,719
Speaker 2: an effort.

1742
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 7: Eat it.

1743
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 2: Let's have fun. That's the kind of birthday I'm going

1744
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,560
Speaker 2: to roll with. I know terrible. Hey, I went to

1745
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,560
Speaker 2: Marlon Williams. I'm going to give you a review.

1746
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:00,600
Speaker 14: Shortly be.

1747
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 3: Croasing the numbers and getting the results.

1748
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: It's hither due for the Ellen with the business hour

1749
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: and mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your

1750
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: future news talks.

1751
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 3: That'd be right.

1752
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray is going to be a US out of

1753
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 2: the UK shortly how about this. Listen to this absolute legend.

1754
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 2: Joe Anne here the rhyme, A mother of four boys.

1755
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 2: They're now in their forties. We had the birthday bakebook.

1756
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 2: Actually the Germans got that one. She's got that one.

1757
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: She's going to make the that's where the love heart

1758
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,759
Speaker 2: and the thing whatever. I don't know whoever, the woman's

1759
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 2: leaky to own.

1760
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 25: Every house in New Zealand has that.

1761
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And apparently the train one is the hardest to make,

1762
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 2: and if you do that then you are.

1763
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 25: Isn't the duck the really hard one as well?

1764
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 2: The duck sounds like it would have been quite hard

1765
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 2: to Yeah, would have been is people are still making

1766
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 2: it anyway. I had the birthday bake book and I

1767
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 2: made a few of those cakes over the years, reasonably amateurishly.

1768
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 2: Who can blame you, but certainly not every year for

1769
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 2: every child, and they didn't care fancy cake. Antics are

1770
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 2: to impress other adults. Parenthood should not be an endurance test,

1771
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 2: and shaming other mums is unforgivable. So you do you,

1772
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 2: Joe Anne? Finger snaps for you? Finger snaps for you?

1773
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: All right?

1774
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 2: Twenty three away from seven. Let's get on to the

1775
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 2: most important stuff. Of the day after America's attack on

1776
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: Iran over the weekend. The big question now is whether

1777
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 2: Iran will close the Strait of Homos. Now twenty percent

1778
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 2: of the words Wild's oil is shipped through this narrow strait.

1779
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 2: It runs between the coasts of Iran and Orman. Stephen

1780
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 2: Hoadley is a retired professor of international relations and with

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01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 2: us right now, Hey, Stephen, good evening, Heather, Stephen, thank

1782
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 2: you for joining us. This is not going to happen,

1783
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 2: is it now?

1784
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 6: Well, it may happen. It's sole option, and even just

1785
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 6: the threat of closing it would be enough to send

1786
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 6: insurance rates higher to prevent other ships from entering. Apparently,

1787
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 6: the number of ships in the Gulf has declined from

1788
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 6: seven hundred and fifty to seven hundred and continuing to fall.

1789
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,919
Speaker 6: That is a lot of ships. A lot of companies

1790
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 6: are simply not putting their ships into danger because they

1791
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 6: anticipate the possibility of the closure of the strait.

1792
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 2: How would they actually close it.

1793
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 6: With military action? They put mines in the water. The

1794
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 6: channels are only six kilometers wide, three kilometers one way

1795
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 6: and three kilometers coming the other way. They've got fast

1796
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 6: patrol boats armed with rough propelled grenades, they've got short

1797
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 6: range artillery, they've short range missiles. There a variety of

1798
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 6: things that could harass. Remember, an oil tanker is very vulnerable.

1799
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 6: They're not armored, they're not armed. They could not withstand

1800
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 6: even a small piece of artillery and they might burst

1801
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 6: into flames. So those ships, skippers are going to stand back,

1802
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 6: they're going to anchor out, they're going to stay away

1803
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 6: from harm's way. That will be enough to send up

1804
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 6: the price of oil.

1805
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 2: I see that Marca Rubio has gone on Fox today

1806
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 2: and called on China to intervene here and have a

1807
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 2: chat to Iran and stop this from happening. Would that work?

1808
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 2: Do you suspict that?

1809
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 6: Are well, China's oil does come out of the Strait

1810
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 6: from Iran, it's smuggled. Iran is under strict sanction from

1811
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 6: the West, but of course they ignore those sanctions. China

1812
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 6: does too, and gets oil from Russia in the same way.

1813
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 6: But yeah, it would be interesting to strange bedfellows, the

1814
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 6: United States and China ganging up on Iran to say,

1815
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 6: don't close the straits or moose the Chinese. I think

1816
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 6: do have a strong point. I think they may prevail

1817
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 6: and it could be that the Iranians will be very

1818
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 6: selective in their targeting. If they do, in fact target

1819
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 6: any ships, they can identify them one by one. They

1820
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 6: can target them if they're related to the United States

1821
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 6: or to Israel, and let the Chinese ships get a

1822
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 6: free pass through the Straits.

1823
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 2: Stephen, You've been doing this for a very long time,

1824
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 2: so I want you to take on it. Did the

1825
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 2: Americans make a mistake bombing those sites?

1826
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 6: Well, look, we're divided, the Prime minister is divided, the

1827
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 6: Foreign Minister is divided. Everyone is trying to be very

1828
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,560
Speaker 6: kind to Donald Trump. We don't want nuclear weapons, so

1829
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 6: we approve in that respect. We don't want to invade

1830
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 6: other people's countries, so we disapproved in that respect. I

1831
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 6: think the world, I think New Zealanders are pretty divided

1832
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 6: on the whole question. So it's not an easy call.

1833
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 6: If it turns to custard the way the Iraq invasion

1834
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 6: did in two thousand and three and the Afghan invasion did,

1835
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 6: we will look back and say it was a terrible mistake. If, however,

1836
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,679
Speaker 6: there is a regime change and the government, like Syrian

1837
01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 6: government next door, suddenly becomes pro West and moderate, we'll

1838
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 6: say well, it wasn't a mistake. It was Jarbie good

1839
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,759
Speaker 6: to put down the Iranians and relieve this dark shadow

1840
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 6: that's laughed it over the Middle East since nineteen seventy nine.

1841
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 6: And you know, give Israel a break.

1842
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 2: Stephen, thank you very much for your take on everything.

1843
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 2: I really appreciate your expertise that Stephen Hoadley, retired professor.

1844
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 3: Ever do for see Allen by the way, I think.

1845
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 2: You might find this fascinating, just how the thing played out.

1846
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 2: So it started with a ruse, right, they sent eight

1847
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 2: planes over the Pacific, and everybody's watching those eight planes.

1848
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 2: But what people didn't realize because they were focusing on

1849
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 2: those eight planes, is that another seven B twos took

1850
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: off in the opposite direction. They were flying east, no

1851
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 2: communications with each other or with the ground. They crossed America,

1852
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 2: They crossed the Atlantic, no one noticed. They flew all day,

1853
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 2: they flew into Saturday night. They refueled mid air. Along

1854
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 2: the way. There were tankers being deployed to Europe over

1855
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 2: the previous week. They refulled them. You know, I mean,

1856
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 2: how you do that is just quite remarkable, isn't it. Anyway,

1857
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 2: Then about midday midnight local time, in the Middle East

1858
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,640
Speaker 2: on Saturday. They got there. They were then joined by

1859
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 2: an escort of US fighter jets surveillance reconnaissance planes. There

1860
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 2: were one hundred and twenty five aircraft in all at

1861
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 2: this stage. Kept on flying east, hardly exchanged a word

1862
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 2: with each other at all. They struck the three sites

1863
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 2: between two ten in the morning and two thirty five

1864
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 2: that's the rainy in time, turned around, headed back the

1865
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 2: same way they came. They were out of the place

1866
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: by three am. That's how it all. We were watching

1867
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 2: the wrong planes if we were watching the planes now

1868
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 2: went to Marlon Williams on Saturday night. Frankly, honestly, I

1869
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 2: mean you know what it's like if you've had little kids,

1870
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 2: Like I was sitting there going what am I doing?

1871
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 2: I am exhausted, But here I am at Marlon Williams

1872
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 2: and nine point thirty when I normally go to Sleepers

1873
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 2: when the concerts starting, So I fueled myself with a

1874
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 2: couple of bells Beers. Hey was wonderful. I have absolutely

1875
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 2: no regrets. And look, I don't want to be one

1876
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 2: of those people.

1877
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 3: You know that.

1878
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 2: That's how that. But if you get the chance to

1879
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 2: see Marlon Williams take it. If he's doing a show

1880
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 2: near you somewhere, go and see him. You will not

1881
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 2: regret it. I think he may be. I mean, he

1882
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,879
Speaker 2: is certainly one of the best musicians of his generation

1883
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 2: in this country, if not the best. I mean it's

1884
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 2: a hard that's a hard thing to make a call one,

1885
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: but he'd be amongst he'd be right up there in

1886
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 2: the top of them personally. So what he was touring

1887
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 2: is an album called Teffarrere Ti Weekaweka, which is because

1888
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 2: he's inn a pue no hold on. He's Naitahu from

1889
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 2: christ Church, and so he's trying to learn the language.

1890
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 2: He's it's quite a feat to put an album out

1891
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 2: in the language you're not fluent, and but he managed

1892
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 2: to do it. Now, that is what he's touring, so

1893
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 2: he had the kapahaka and stuff like that. I don't

1894
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 2: think it's the best album that he's put out because

1895
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 2: I just think it's a lot to get over right,

1896
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 2: it's not your first language. He's so wonderful in English,

1897
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 2: and and I think the obsessing over the language kind

1898
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:50,919
Speaker 2: of detracted a little bit from his actual musical ability.

1899
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 2: So if you know you're not going to get the

1900
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 2: best Marlon Williams experience. But there are times where he

1901
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 2: is it's just him and his guitar or just him

1902
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 2: and his origin ban the Yarrawbenders, and that is when

1903
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 2: he is just outstanding that he is better by himself,

1904
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 2: kind of stripped back than he is with a whole

1905
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 2: bunch of people singing with him. However, it was kind

1906
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 2: of a nice experience as well, and you're not gonna

1907
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 2: you know, you're probably not gonna get that a lot,

1908
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 2: so you may as well take it when you can. Anyway,

1909
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 2: like I say, if you have the opportunity to see

1910
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 2: Marlin Williams, please do not miss out on it because

1911
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 2: you will not regret it. What an absolute legion that

1912
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 2: boy is sixteen away from seven.

1913
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro microbe or just playing economics, it's all

1914
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 1: on the business hours with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mares

1915
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: assurance and investments, grow your wealth to protect your future.

1916
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 3: These dogs v Heather.

1917
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 2: All I can think about is where are the bathrooms

1918
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 2: on those bombers? I know, I know that's so long.

1919
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 2: I think that's where we bags. That's what you probably

1920
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 2: uplock that one real tight afterwards, Hey, by the way,

1921
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 2: Air India, the guy running here India is a key

1922
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 2: we he has been accused of plagiarism, ripping off somebody

1923
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 2: else's apology video will get to that apology statement. Rather,

1924
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 2: we'll get to that. And just to take right now,

1925
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: thirteen away from seven and Gavin Gray are UK correspondents

1926
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 2: with US A Kevin Hi. So the spending on defense

1927
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 2: is going to go up by quite a burs isn't it.

1928
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 9: Well, that's what has apparently been agreed. This is not

1929
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 9: being confirmed, but this is diplomatic sources talking to Sky

1930
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 9: News are saying that UK and NATO allies have agreed

1931
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 9: to increase spending on defense and related areas to five

1932
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 9: percent of GDP. Now that is a massive, massive increase.

1933
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 9: The current goal of two percent of GDP is as

1934
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 9: much about keeping the US president, I think, on side

1935
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 9: as it is frankly about talking about what the allies

1936
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 9: need in the growing threat from Russia and the challenge

1937
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 9: post by China. Now it's thought that this new target

1938
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 9: will be rubber stamped probably Tuesday or Wednesday later on

1939
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 9: this week, so all rushing through. Really it's an ambitious

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Speaker 9: spending goal and secure following a big big campaign by

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Speaker 9: the NATO Secretary General Mark Rutter, And it looks like

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Speaker 9: it's sort of roughly broken down into three and a

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Speaker 9: half percent of GDP spent on pure defense, one and

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Speaker 9: a half percent of GDP spent on related areas that

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Speaker 9: can include cybersecurity, big infrastructure, that sort of thing. Apparently

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Speaker 9: everyone had agreed except Spain. Spain was the last to agree.

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Speaker 9: But as I said, this is all unconfirmed at the moment.

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Speaker 9: We're waiting for some kind of announcement and five percent

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Speaker 9: spending will certainly please Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: I see you guys like us are sending a plane

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Speaker 2: over to get people out of the Middle East, But

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Speaker 2: how's the plane going to.

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Speaker 8: Get to them?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it looks like they're liaising with the Israeli government

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Speaker 9: over opening the airport for a specific few hours and

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Speaker 9: then trying to evacuate people in that time. So Britain's

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Speaker 9: are being asked to register in the flight via online

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Speaker 9: forms and they've been told not to travel to the

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Speaker 9: airport unless told to do so. And this is all

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Speaker 9: effectively about trying to get out those that want to

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Speaker 9: leave Israel. There will be plenty I suspect who don't

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Speaker 9: want to leave, but there will be also others who do,

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Speaker 9: and we are slightly behind the curve. Heather Austria's Foreign

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Speaker 9: Ministry set around one hundred and twenty people, including citizens

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Speaker 9: and partner countries, have been evacuated from Iran and Israel,

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Speaker 9: with Israel temporarily reopening the airspace for six hours yesterday

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Speaker 9: in a scheme to repatriate citizens stranded under its Operation

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Speaker 9: Safe Return scheme. This is all for Tel Aviv at

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Speaker 9: the moment. The Chinese ambassador thought to be doing something else.

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Speaker 9: Around four hundred Chinese citizens evacuated at the weekend, including students,

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Speaker 9: and so I'm afraid that Europe's sort of seeming to

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Speaker 9: leave it a bit late. But that's what we're looking

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Speaker 9: at here, and of course New Zealand the same, and

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Speaker 9: trying to get that agreement from the Israeli government on

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Speaker 9: a timing to land those planes and get people out.

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Speaker 2: Are we all moving to space then, are we?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 9: It seems a little unlikely, but this is the latest

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Speaker 9: from the European Space Agency of the EESA. They are

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Speaker 9: saying that by twenty forty they fully expect that humans

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Speaker 9: could be living in quote self sustaining space oases. What

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Speaker 9: do they mean, well, they believe that actually expanding into space,

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Speaker 9: according to this report quote is not a luxury but

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Speaker 9: a necessity. Space is no longer a frontier, it's a

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Speaker 9: territory and it unlocks unknown reserves. And I think it's

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Speaker 9: that unknown reserves which are what Europe getting so excited

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Speaker 9: about here. So what they're saying is no longer will

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Speaker 9: the buildings in space be limited by what you can

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Speaker 9: put in a rocket. Instead, they believe, and I had

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Speaker 9: to reread this, that communities will be capable of being

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Speaker 9: crafted by three D printers and then assembled in space.

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Speaker 9: It all sounds a bit far fetched to me, particularly

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Speaker 9: when you consider we are only talking fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 9: but they are now calling on European leaders to get

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Speaker 9: behind this drive and to get PEP blend the space soon.

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Speaker 2: Gavin probably wouldn't be you know, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: will look at the situation right now in the Middle

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Speaker 2: East and think maybe space is not that bad. So

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Speaker 2: thank you for that. I appreciate it. Gavin, UK, correspondent,

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Speaker 2: Nine away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Toopla s Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: Heather, you need to Google toilets on the bombers. They

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Speaker 2: cost more than your average house. They are so high tech. Alis,

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Speaker 2: thank you. I will do that later six away from seven. Now,

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Speaker 2: the boss of India or Air India sorry, is a

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Speaker 2: chap called Campbell Wilson, who's a KIWI. He's unfortunately attracting

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Speaker 2: headlines at the moment for a bit of plagiarism, because

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Speaker 2: it turns out when he spoke about the Air India

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Speaker 2: crash which happened, you know, recently, he appears that he

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Speaker 2: may have ripped off the speech notes from the American

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Speaker 2: Airlines boss who had dealt with a similar instance earlier

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Speaker 2: this year. So this is Campbell.

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Speaker 23: I want to brief you on a serious incident that

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Speaker 23: involved an Air India aircraft a short while ago.

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Speaker 26: This is the other guy brief you on a serious

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Speaker 26: accident that occurred involving an American Eagle aircraft.

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Speaker 23: This is Campbell first and most importantly, I would like

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Speaker 23: to express our deep sorrow about this event.

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Speaker 2: This is the other guy.

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Speaker 26: First and most importantly, I'd like to express our deep

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Speaker 26: sorrow about these events.

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Speaker 2: If you're like, ah, come on, of course he's going

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Speaker 2: to just stock standard things. You have to say here's

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Speaker 2: the bit.

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Speaker 23: This is a difficult day for all of us at

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Speaker 23: Air India, and if it's now focused entirely on the

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Speaker 23: needs of our passengers, crew members, their families and loved ones.

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Speaker 23: I know that there are many questions and at this

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Speaker 23: stage I will not be able to answer all of them.

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Speaker 2: Here's the other guy.

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Speaker 26: This is a difficult day for all of us at

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Speaker 26: American Airlines, and our efforts now are focused entirely on

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Speaker 26: the needs of our passengers, crew members, partners, first responders,

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Speaker 26: along with their families and loved ones. I know that

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Speaker 26: there are many questions and at this early stage I'll

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Speaker 26: not be able to answer all of them.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, I mean like it feels like what obviously happened

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Speaker 2: is that the media communications person went, don't worry, I

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Speaker 2: will write you a speech. Chat GPT, can you please

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Speaker 2: write an apology speech for the boss of an airline company,

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Speaker 2: an airline after the airplane went down, and chat GPT

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Speaker 2: went sure, hang on a tech whoop, Yeah we had

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Speaker 2: one recently. Here's your speech. A that's what feels like happened.

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Speaker 25: And hammer by Lord to play us out tonight. This

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Speaker 25: is the latest one she has put out. That's going

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Speaker 25: to be on the new album Virgin, So I think

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Speaker 25: we've had we've had three or four tracks out now

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Speaker 25: and there's only gonna be eleven on the album, so

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Speaker 25: we may get the whole album released before it actually

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Speaker 25: drops with there you go?

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Speaker 2: Has she done it like one of those pop up

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Speaker 2: things for this, not that I was invited to. Certainly

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Speaker 2: he know, Okay, maybe maybe that idea is run out

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Speaker 2: of steam. Have you checked on our colleagues? H No,

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Speaker 2: I haven't because he was here. Where did he prepare

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Speaker 2: himself mentally for this? Is the hyperventilize?

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Speaker 25: I mean it was hard on getting him away from

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Speaker 25: the Y m c A toilets already, and so yeah,

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Speaker 25: she suggested she was going to do another one there

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Speaker 25: then yeah, who knows?

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for this and appreciate it. Enjoy your evening.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back with you tomorrow. New Stalks be.

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