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Speaker 1: Friends and family. Of course, today farewell Jim Bolgier funeral

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Speaker 1: is going to be held at the local Catholic parish

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Speaker 1: and capity. Sir Don McKinnon will be speaking. He's with

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Speaker 1: us done.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Good morning to you, mate.

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Speaker 1: A lot of very nice things have been said about

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Speaker 1: Jim Bolder, and I suppose rightly so over these last

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Speaker 1: few days. Have you been pleased to hear them?

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Speaker 2: I have been pleased to hear them, because certainly at

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Speaker 2: the time that he was Prime Minister, he never got

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Speaker 2: those kind of accolades on a continuous run. And what

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Speaker 2: you've been hearing recently is pretty much the man as

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Speaker 2: we knew him.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, you helped out, I wonder, and I mean you

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Speaker 1: won't agree with me necessarily publicly, but I mean the

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Speaker 1: fact that you never wanted to roll them knife and

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Speaker 1: be the boss. I mean you were a good combination,

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Speaker 1: weren't you.

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Speaker 2: Well. I hope so, I hope so. And I still

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Speaker 2: say that if any leader has a deputy whose aspirations

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Speaker 2: for the leadership are very strong, you will have a

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Speaker 2: permanent destabilization and that's not a good thing for the country.

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Speaker 1: Chris Finlayson wrote very nicely about him. In The Herald yesterday,

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Speaker 1: he concluded that Fraser assigned bold you would be right

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Speaker 1: up there. Would that be your assessment?

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Speaker 2: Well, I certainly say so, and I agree with someone

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Speaker 2: else who said it a couple of years ago that

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Speaker 2: of the five farmer prime ministers, he was certainly the

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Speaker 2: best of all of them because he just had a

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Speaker 2: broader mind. It wasn't just about farming, it was about

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Speaker 2: the whole country.

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Speaker 1: It's one of them. It appeals to me personally, this

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Speaker 1: idea that you can leave school young but still rise

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Speaker 1: to be the leader of the country. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: a fantastic thing for New Zealand. I just wonder if

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Speaker 1: it was a time and place thing and it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: even be remotely possible today.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope it is possible, because you know people

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Speaker 2: that have a pretty good IQ. I suppose inherently they're

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Speaker 2: capable of learning every day of their lives and if

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Speaker 2: they are in the right environment it may not be

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Speaker 2: a formal education environment. If they're in the right environment

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Speaker 2: and they continue learning, they are curious, they want to

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Speaker 2: know things, ask questions, They've got every chance of raising

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Speaker 2: to the top. I think it's worthwhile adding.

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Speaker 1: Mate got to be kidding.

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Speaker 2: I mean, give so was Paul keating in Australia. None

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Speaker 2: of them had a university degree.

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Speaker 1: No exactly is it fair to I think you alluded

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Speaker 1: to it. Is it fair to observe that at the

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Speaker 1: time he wasn't loved and maybe that the fullness of

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Speaker 1: time have allowed a number of people to come to

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Speaker 1: a slightly different conclusion that they might have had at

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Speaker 1: the moment.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right. Some primersts love more than those.

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Speaker 2: I think David Lnger was loved by many. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: say it was a great prime minister at all. No,

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Speaker 2: the bulger that we knew wasn't seen the same way

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Speaker 2: by the general public. No.

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Speaker 1: Is the weather going to be a thing today? I

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Speaker 1: mean with all these read alerts and you've got to

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Speaker 1: stay home in public transport is not on? How come

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Speaker 1: a thousand people are going to be able to turn

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Speaker 1: up the capital case.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people will have second thoughts

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Speaker 2: about wanting to go unless they know they're going to

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Speaker 2: get this the building or they've got a seat somewhere

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Speaker 2: that's safe. They may have second thoughts. But look, that's

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Speaker 2: fully understood.

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Speaker 1: Ye good on you don't let's catchup. Appreciate it very

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Speaker 1: much so. Don McKinnon, former Deputy Prime Minister, who will

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Speaker 1: be speaking at the Bulgier funeral today.

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