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Speaker 1: The aviation industry is warning of a pilot and engineer

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Speaker 1: shortage because it's becoming too expensive to pay for training. Basically,

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Speaker 1: demand for pilots is going up. In twenty twenty three, sorry,

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, the government capped how much students could borrow

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Speaker 1: to cover their training costs. That much is thirty That

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Speaker 1: amount rather is thirty five thousand dollars per year, and

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Speaker 1: it can cost as much as one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: thousand for two years of flying courses. So Irene King

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Speaker 1: is the chief executive at Ardmore Flying School. She's with

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Speaker 1: me this morning. Good morning, Irene, good morning. Good to

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Speaker 1: have you on the show. That is very expensive. What

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Speaker 1: is the shortage or is the shortage just down the line,

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Speaker 1: it's coming later.

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Speaker 2: Look, we've got a shortage right now. We're finding it

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Speaker 2: incredibly hard to attract people Kiwi's into the seat to

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Speaker 2: undertake training, and that's because they have to self fund

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Speaker 2: unlike any other qualification, and they have to say I'll

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Speaker 2: fund up to fifty thousand dollars per program. Now, what

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Speaker 2: you described was a two year program to be really

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Speaker 2: well qualified and get into the airlines. You really need

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Speaker 2: to do, you know, another six to nine months and

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Speaker 2: then you need to get a job. And most of

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Speaker 2: those jobs are with in the training industry itself.

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Speaker 1: So most who graduate the pilot training school try and

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Speaker 1: go on to train.

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Speaker 2: That's right, you know, the trainers train the trainers, and

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Speaker 2: that's that's good. Question. They have to get a few

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Speaker 2: hours behind them.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I get that, this is I get

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Speaker 1: this is expensive. Is there an argument for your in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's or do they already cover some of that cost?

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Speaker 1: You know, say, right, these these young men and women

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Speaker 1: look good. I'll cover their cost now and I know

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Speaker 1: that and bond them to me later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a difficult concept. Yes, they are trying it,

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Speaker 2: but you know, you've got some issues around selection, and

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Speaker 2: you know, not everyone to cut out, even though they

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Speaker 2: might look great on paper. You get them in there

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Speaker 2: and you know, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can't be you can't be putting all

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Speaker 1: your eggs in a couple of baskets, can you. All Right,

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Speaker 1: so what so what is the solution? But what do

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Speaker 1: we need to do about this?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Essentially this problem has been brought on by policy

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Speaker 2: settings of the government. You know, you talked about the

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Speaker 2: policy settings in two thousand and thirteen. We're trying to

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Speaker 2: run a business in twenty twenty four costumes, but all

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Speaker 2: our income is frozen and are cently twenty twenty thirteen dollars,

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Speaker 2: So that's got to be addressed. We've got to have

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Speaker 2: the ability to train more that was frozen in two thousands.

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Speaker 2: The aviation world today is very different from what it

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Speaker 2: was in twenty thirteen. Now. The third and probably the

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Speaker 2: most interesting challenge in some respects is actually getting the

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Speaker 2: qualification the syllabus, which was written in the mid fifties,

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Speaker 2: updating translated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because otherwise people, Yeah, it's a bit ancient history.

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Speaker 1: At the moment is now we have to leave it there.

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