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Speaker 2: Telling Good afternoon, welcoman to the Saturday edition of Weekend

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Speaker 2: Sport on News Talks eDV. I'm Jason Pine, Show producer

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Speaker 2: Andy McDonald. November drby Day in the Capitol, Wellington Phoenix

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Speaker 2: v Auckland FC, five o'clock Sky Stadium and historic first

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Speaker 2: ever professional football match between two New Zealand sides. We'll

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Speaker 2: get you inside both camps after one or White's coach

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Speaker 2: Darren Baisley is here for the game as well. He's

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Speaker 2: in studio a bit later on. And are you yellow

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Speaker 2: and black or blue and black? Keen to find out,

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Speaker 2: particularly from those who don't necessarily have any skin in

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Speaker 2: this game, who are you backing? And also for those

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Speaker 2: of you who have nailed your Phoenix colors to the

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Speaker 2: mast these last seventeen years, perhaps from Auckland. Have you

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Speaker 2: jumped across or are you sticking fast? That's all after

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Speaker 2: one o'clock two thousand and three. Rugby World Cup winning

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Speaker 2: English midfield back Will Greenwood leads us off today though

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Speaker 2: all Blacks England. Four o'clock tomorrow morning. That's New Zealand

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Speaker 2: time obviously at Twickenham. Who is favorite for this game?

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Speaker 2: Can anybody tell me? And what if we lose? What

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Speaker 2: if we were to lose this game? Keen to read

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Speaker 2: your pulse on this other matters around today. Rarely looking

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Speaker 2: forward after two o'clock to catching up with kayaker Alicia

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Speaker 2: Hoskin reliving her double Olympic gold medal winning performances in Paris.

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Speaker 2: She's with us for an extended chat after two Kewes v.

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Speaker 2: Tonga tonight at Mount Smart and Rugby League's Pacific Championship.

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Speaker 2: We'll get you inside the kiwiscamp ahead of that one.

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Speaker 2: Adam Peacock in his regular slot from across the Tasman

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Speaker 2: ahead of the biggest week in Australasian racing of the year,

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Speaker 2: the Melbourne Cup Carnival. He's in Melbourne already, Adam Peacock

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Speaker 2: ahead of this one Live sport while we're on the

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Speaker 2: air this afternoon. But a rugby the New Zealand Heartland

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Speaker 2: fifteen taking on the New Zealand Barbarians. That game in

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Speaker 2: fung Anui from two o'clock this afternoon. Round six matches

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the football after one but a rah.

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Speaker 2: The Big Rugby Test tomorrow morning, four o'clock New Zealand time,

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Speaker 2: England against the All Blacks, the first meeting since they

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Speaker 2: clashed at Eden Park back in July.

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Speaker 3: Penerality of the All Blacks penalty to the All Blacks

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Speaker 4: They just need to get it into touts.

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Speaker 3: Damie McKenzie kicked to touts and the or Blats win

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Speaker 3: twenty four seventeen, a dramatic finish at Eton Park, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty four to seventeen at Eden Park, a week

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Speaker 2: So two narrow wins for the All Blacks to start

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Speaker 2: to welcome back into the show Rugby World Cup winning

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Speaker 2: English midfielder, British and Irish Lions represent and astute rugby

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Speaker 2: analyst Will Greenwood mbe well, England could easily have won

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Speaker 2: one or both of those Test matches down here in June.

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Speaker 5: They've rushed Henry Slade back after one game in four

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Speaker 6: That's what they will be thinking.

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Speaker 2: England haven't played a tists since being down here four

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Speaker 6: So the last time England were there they won.

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Speaker 5: They're starting to create a mentality of having a fortress

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Speaker 5: They head into the changing room, they see the old

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Speaker 6: They'll they'll begin starting to get a.

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Speaker 5: Feeling that someone will have to be world class to

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Speaker 6: So England have to knock you out of your rhythm.

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Speaker 5: And that's why I've both to expickt the team he

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Speaker 5: I think New Zealand will be winning at half time.

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Speaker 5: I think England win.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand team on paper, but clicking is the thing

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Speaker 9: What of you was?

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Speaker 5: Just a really quick question. When you say I'm fascinated

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Speaker 6: He's not under pressure at all for his job, is he?

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Speaker 2: No, I think what I was suggesting was, let's just

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Speaker 2: That would be five losses in a calendar year, which,

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Speaker 2: as you know, Will, as you know, would be frowned

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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, good, But.

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Speaker 5: He has enough credit in the bank that people know

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Speaker 6: You've got to know. Oh, you're such a tough public.

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Speaker 6: You don't know, do you?

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Speaker 5: You don't know, and you're not and you're not sure,

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Speaker 6: Come on, raise it. He'll get there, he'll break dance.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you've got such a good handle on us. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's almost such a pleasure chatting rag Vita, mate, thanks

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Speaker 6: Pleasure. Boys take care and girls take care.

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Speaker 2: Good on you all. Thanks indeed you take care of

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Speaker 2: but great to chat to you. You've heard from Will Greenwood.

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Speaker 2: Your chance to react now? Oh eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: They're all winnable, absolutely they are. This is the all blacks.

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Speaker 2: Provided we beat Italy, which in all probability we will.

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Speaker 2: Our quick correction twenty twenty two are thirteen tests, thirteen

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Speaker 2: Lest I could get too far ahead of ourselves, we

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Speaker 10: George, Hi, mate, gooday pony, how are you very good?

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Speaker 2: Painting going right? Are you just laying out as drag

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Speaker 2: it out so you can spend your afternoons with us?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, finishing finishing touches at the moment. Finally, I've had

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Speaker 10: but it's good fun. Hey I. And happy birthday for

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Speaker 10: there's a lot of symmetry with this year, with four

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Speaker 10: So you know there's opportunities for something like that to

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Speaker 10: It's going to be hard. I think next week's real

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Speaker 2: It's a really good point you make. Yeah, and you're right.

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Speaker 2: I guess in many ways you think, okay, they if

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Speaker 10: Least one hundred percent. I think it's going to be

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Speaker 10: and one of these big tests, and not just the

433
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Speaker 10: Italy went on the end of the tour. But I think,

434
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Speaker 10: you know, there's an opportunity here for some some players

435
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Speaker 10: to really stake a claim for a jersey and kind

436
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Speaker 10: of give raise a lot to think about over the summer.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I've been banging that Billy Proctor drum a lot,

439
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Speaker 2: and I totally agree George. I think he has to

440
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Speaker 2: be given an opportunity again one of Ireland or France

441
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Speaker 2: unless ricco Joanni absolutely tears it up tomorrow. It's I

442
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Speaker 2: feel like they almost have to play him against Ireland

443
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Speaker 2: as well, because otherwise the Irish fans will just, you know,

444
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Speaker 2: we'll just say we're running scared after the whole Johnny

445
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Speaker 2: Sexton book thing. So look, but I would love to

446
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Speaker 2: see Billie proc to get a start in the in

447
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Speaker 2: the thirteen jumper over one of the next two games.

448
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Speaker 2: Maybe it might be in Paris against France on the seventeenth,

449
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Speaker 2: but yeah, exciting time. As a head mate, get back

450
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Speaker 2: to your job list and we'll no doubt chat again soon.

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Speaker 10: Eh, good on your mate, love the show, keep it,

452
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Speaker 10: Thanks George.

453
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Speaker 2: No, good on you, mate, Thank you for calling in.

454
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it very much. Honestly says this text. I

455
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Speaker 2: be happy if we lose games as long as we

456
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Speaker 2: see good development in the All Blacks for next year.

457
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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five is the year we'll start judging Razor

458
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Speaker 2: as All Blacks coach. We need to build a team

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Speaker 2: for the next Rugby World Cup. Dibo watch acceptable to

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Speaker 2: you made over the next three weeks.

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Speaker 9: Well, I endorse what George said, and I just want

462
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Speaker 9: to extrapolate the argument a little bit more if we

463
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Speaker 9: can findy and happy birthday the other day to mate.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: The biggest fair.

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Speaker 9: From my opinion, is not England, not Ireland and not France.

467
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Speaker 9: There's something bigger than the three of them, and that

468
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Speaker 9: is we need to fare the yellow card. I can't

469
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Speaker 9: remember the last time the All Blacks had fifteen on

470
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Speaker 9: the park for eighty minutes. That'd be an amazing stat

471
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Speaker 9: if someone could come up with that.

472
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Speaker 2: I know at the start of the year, Tobo, we

473
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Speaker 2: didn't get a lot at the start of the year.

474
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Speaker 2: But you're right over the last half a dozen Test matches.

475
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Speaker 2: You're right, there have been a lot of occasions where

476
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Speaker 2: it's been fourteen and thirteen on a couple occasions too.

477
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Speaker 9: These big games, these big games we short the World

478
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Speaker 9: Cup final. I don't think we've had more yellow red

479
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Speaker 9: cards in the history of rugby union, and since the

480
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Speaker 9: last two World Cups we now five years. And so

481
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Speaker 9: for me, what's acceptable is avoiding those that we can

482
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Speaker 9: position ourselves to make these winds more comfortable, because what's

483
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Speaker 9: happening is, as you know, the last twenty minutes, we

484
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Speaker 9: have an inability to score much and we tend to

485
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Speaker 9: cop some cards for ourselves under pressure and ultimately lost

486
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Speaker 9: matches in the last twenty because of that. But for me,

487
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Speaker 9: I think Irish present the biggest threat. And then and

488
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Speaker 9: your spot on, we're not going to have the same

489
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Speaker 9: team playing the next three Tests in a row. It's

490
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Speaker 9: going to test our squad depth and for that reason, Look,

491
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Speaker 9: it's highly probable we'll drop one, but if we can

492
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Speaker 9: keep fifteen on the park eighty minutes for all three

493
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Speaker 9: to meet, and then we've turned a corner. And one

494
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Speaker 9: of the things I think that they're looking to give

495
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Speaker 9: yellow cards more than they should take, for example, the

496
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Speaker 9: slap back or you know, the deliver knock on that

497
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Speaker 9: devis a try? Why should someone be yellow card for

498
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Speaker 9: that point try with no a seven point try with

499
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Speaker 9: no kick? Why why then just let them stay with fifteen?

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Speaker 9: So I think they're going to look at that rule

501
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Speaker 9: as well. It's a double penalty. You've seen a seven

502
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Speaker 9: leaf fifteen on the park?

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never got there the other part of that rule.

504
00:27:06,827 --> 00:27:10,467
Speaker 2: It's so difficult to actually tell, you know, is it

505
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Speaker 2: a deliberate knock on or is it the guy going

506
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Speaker 2: for an intercept it. Yeah, it's always been one of

507
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Speaker 2: the rules that has puzzled me the most.

508
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Speaker 9: Yeah, the Irish, the ones are hurting the most after

509
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Speaker 9: the quarter final defeat. Beware of the wounded Irish. I

510
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Speaker 9: think they're going to be a bigger threat than French.

511
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Speaker 2: Good Man dobo, good to chat and a shorter turnaround

512
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Speaker 2: as well. They've somehow got over the line. A Friday

513
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Speaker 2: night test over there, which is Saturday morning for us.

514
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Speaker 2: That's just six days between test matches, six days between

515
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Speaker 2: playing England at Twickenham and then getting to Dublin and

516
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Speaker 2: playing Ireland there. It's a Friday night game over there,

517
00:27:49,267 --> 00:27:52,907
Speaker 2: so Saturday morning for us one less day. It might

518
00:27:52,947 --> 00:27:58,347
Speaker 2: not sound like a lot, but yeah, that is tough.

519
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Speaker 2: And as George said that, you know, and Dobbo said

520
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Speaker 2: as well, we are in a situation I think where

521
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Speaker 2: we can't expect the same twenty three to play tomorrow,

522
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Speaker 2: next weekend and the weekend after that. Yes, we expect

523
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Speaker 2: that in a Rugby World Cup. And maybe you know

524
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Speaker 2: the fact that we've had we had Japan last week,

525
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Speaker 2: which I guess was a bit of an entree, wasn't it.

526
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Speaker 2: There was a month in between the win over Australia

527
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Speaker 2: and Wellington and last weekends went over Japan at Yokohama,

528
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Speaker 2: so there was a freshening up of the players there then.

529
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Speaker 2: But then so you look at the players who played

530
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Speaker 2: last week and you think, okay, if they played last

531
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Speaker 2: week and play today and or tomorrow and then play

532
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Speaker 2: the next two weeks, that's four games in four weeks,

533
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Speaker 2: akin to a Rugby World Cup where you play the

534
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Speaker 2: final pull match and then quarter final, semi final final,

535
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Speaker 2: So it's doable. Players have done that. You look at

536
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Speaker 2: a guy like Wallace, a Titi new to the test scene,

537
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Speaker 2: but what an impact he played last week, will play

538
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Speaker 2: again tomorrow. Is clearly at the moment part of the

539
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Speaker 2: best loose forward trio. So may well go round again

540
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Speaker 2: next week and the week after. And I'm sure it's

541
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Speaker 2: not going to put it. Put his hand up as hey,

542
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Speaker 2: I give me a break, I'll play. There aren't too

543
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Speaker 2: many others who have played all the Test matches this year.

544
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Speaker 2: Ardie Savia got last weekend off, that was his first break,

545
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Speaker 2: but he'll obviously front up again tomorrow. Damien McKenzie has

546
00:29:23,227 --> 00:29:26,747
Speaker 2: played all ten Tests, but in a slightly less physical position,

547
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Speaker 2: one of those off the bench. If he plays tomorrow,

548
00:29:29,987 --> 00:29:31,587
Speaker 2: it'll be and he will come off the bench. It'll

549
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Speaker 2: be eleven Test matches all eleven to Pauvay has only

550
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Speaker 2: had one week off. Anton Lennet Brown he'll come off

551
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Speaker 2: the bench tomorrow. He's played in every single Test match.

552
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Speaker 2: So you wonder about the rotation and that sort of thing.

553
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Speaker 2: Twenty one away from one will keep the calls coming.

554
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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty What would be

555
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Speaker 2: acceptable to you over the next three weekends or are

556
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Speaker 2: you really not looking at the win lost column at all?

557
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Speaker 2: Are you looking at performance? Are you looking for progress?

558
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Speaker 2: Are you looking for something that says to you, you

559
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Speaker 2: know what, in three years from now, at the twenty

560
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Speaker 2: twenty seven Rugby World Cup, I feel like will be

561
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Speaker 2: in pretty good shape. Linees open oh eight hundred and

562
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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty nine two nine two one Text back

563
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Speaker 2: with more after this.

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Speaker 2: They be talking rugby until one the derby after one

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Speaker 2: We'll drill down onto that, going to find out where

570
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Speaker 2: your colors are as well in terms of which of

571
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Speaker 2: these two teams you're going to follow, because you can't

572
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Speaker 2: follow them both anymore. Yeah, you know, unless you're kind

573
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Speaker 2: of a I guess an occasional football fan. But if

574
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Speaker 2: you are even a little bit invested, you can't follow

575
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Speaker 2: two teams in the same league. Back to the rugby.

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Speaker 2: Our twenty twenty two schedule was a lot easier. Twenty

577
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Speaker 2: twenty four one of the hardest I can remember South

578
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Speaker 2: Africa away twice, England, Island, France all the way. That's

579
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Speaker 2: like a mini World Cup. Remember Russmus's record just fifty

580
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Speaker 2: percent in his first year. People need to come down

581
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Speaker 2: and look to the long term. I just want to

582
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Speaker 2: fact check that just quickly. Twenty twenty two or we

583
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Speaker 2: had three Tests against Ireland, three tough tests. We played

584
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Speaker 2: South Africa away twice. Obviously the Argentina and Australia Tests.

585
00:31:24,747 --> 00:31:26,667
Speaker 2: You're right, the end of year tour was a bit

586
00:31:26,987 --> 00:31:31,227
Speaker 2: friendlier Japan, Wales, Scotland, England. But yeah, still some pretty

587
00:31:31,267 --> 00:31:33,507
Speaker 2: tough test matches in twenty twenty two. Jamie says, I'd

588
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Speaker 2: be happy with two wins over the next three Games'd

589
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Speaker 2: be great if we can win all three, but two

590
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Speaker 2: out of three. Bokay Barry says for both England and

591
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Speaker 2: Ireland it's their first autumn Test matches of the season.

592
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Speaker 2: Positive for US. Yeah, I think that's right, Barrier. I

593
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Speaker 2: think I'd rather be match hardened than fresh or not

594
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Speaker 2: having played for I think, in fact, I think the

595
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Speaker 2: last time England played was down here. In fact it

596
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Speaker 2: was that was the last time they played, So I

597
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Speaker 2: think i'd take match hardened overcoming and fresh. That's just

598
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Speaker 2: my view. I mean it might go the other way.

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Speaker 11: Hello, philm okay, finey, you're good.

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Speaker 2: I think so, mate. I haven't really checked, but I

601
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Speaker 2: think I'm okay.

602
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Speaker 11: You sound good.

603
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Speaker 2: That's the main thing though, that's the good thing that's

604
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Speaker 2: on television.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a I've got a great place for radio.

606
00:32:24,307 --> 00:32:25,347
Speaker 12: Me too, Me too.

607
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I like it, mate. Happy birthday for last week too,

608
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Speaker 11: Thank you, no problem. And yeah, I'd rather go match hardened,

609
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Speaker 11: overcoming and fresh. I love I love the people you

610
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Speaker 11: have on too, the guests, like your experts and explayers

611
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Speaker 11: and things like that that I listened to the English

612
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Speaker 11: Bella talking at the top of your show and really

613
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Speaker 11: good a and yeah.

614
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's terrific. Well Greenwood, we were Andy and I

615
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Speaker 2: were sort of, you know, just checking a few names

616
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Speaker 2: around and we've had well on before and and but

617
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Speaker 2: he's he's very good and he gets it too. He's

618
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Speaker 2: not just he always gives you something to think about.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, And it was was it Murray mixed that

620
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Speaker 11: the week before that you had on talking about their

621
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Speaker 11: height and the line out, you know, and how we

622
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Speaker 11: lacking a bit of height with with the locks you know,

623
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Speaker 11: not having the six foot eight couple of big six

624
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Speaker 11: foot eight guys, you know sort of thing. Yeah, good too, Yeah, yeah.

625
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Speaker 11: I love listening to the people that are cooling because

626
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Speaker 11: they're you know, so knowledgeable that they follow it religiously,

627
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Speaker 11: but sometimes you know they've they've got their opinion coming

628
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Speaker 11: from their their point of view, where the guests that

629
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Speaker 11: you bring in like the experts, next players, and that

630
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Speaker 11: they're more analytical covering it rather than putting their own

631
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Speaker 11: bias on it, so to speak. I think I think

632
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Speaker 11: I would be happy because I was just listening to

633
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Speaker 11: the fellow Woodward's first name, sorry, Will Greenwood, Well Greenwood,

634
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Speaker 11: just listening the Will there, and he sort of made

635
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Speaker 11: me thinking I'd be thinking. I was thinking I'd be

636
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Speaker 11: happy with one loss out of the because I'm expecting

637
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Speaker 11: us to beat England, like I expected us to beat Japan.

638
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Speaker 11: But that was a good game though they did come

639
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Speaker 11: back in the second half Japan and stop this was scoring.

640
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Speaker 11: But one loss out of the English, French and Irish

641
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Speaker 11: and maybe even I can't believe I'm going to say this,

642
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Speaker 11: because maybe even two losses, as long as those losses

643
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Speaker 11: were close losses and tight you know, rather than actually

644
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Speaker 11: getting getting beaten quite comprehensively. And if we've had a

645
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Speaker 11: couple of losses and they were narrow, but we were

646
00:34:50,067 --> 00:34:52,587
Speaker 11: looking good. Like I think one of your callers first,

647
00:34:53,027 --> 00:34:56,787
Speaker 11: one of your first callers said that if or Texas said,

648
00:34:56,827 --> 00:34:59,827
Speaker 11: if they are if the losses but were looking good

649
00:34:59,827 --> 00:35:02,027
Speaker 11: and you feel like you're making progress and you can

650
00:35:02,067 --> 00:35:05,747
Speaker 11: see that you're going forward. Because like Will said to me,

651
00:35:06,667 --> 00:35:09,387
Speaker 11: why I would accept two losses but I'd be happy

652
00:35:09,387 --> 00:35:13,267
Speaker 11: with one for it to be successful is because to me,

653
00:35:13,347 --> 00:35:16,267
Speaker 11: it's all building towards the World Cup, and Rais has

654
00:35:16,307 --> 00:35:21,987
Speaker 11: only started a tenure sort of thing, so it's like, yeah,

655
00:35:22,187 --> 00:35:26,347
Speaker 11: like Weill said about the New Zealand public being very harsh,

656
00:35:26,387 --> 00:35:28,147
Speaker 11: and like you said, it would be what did you say,

657
00:35:28,307 --> 00:35:30,587
Speaker 11: be a bit of a considered a bit of a failure.

658
00:35:30,307 --> 00:35:33,427
Speaker 2: Or wobble or oh yeah, yeah, I said it would.

659
00:35:33,427 --> 00:35:35,987
Speaker 2: There wouldn't be a lot of wiggle room. It would

660
00:35:35,987 --> 00:35:38,627
Speaker 2: be frowned upon. Yeah, be frowned upon. I think I

661
00:35:39,227 --> 00:35:40,467
Speaker 2: think if you said to you, I think if you

662
00:35:40,507 --> 00:35:42,187
Speaker 2: said to any your Blacks fan at the start of

663
00:35:42,187 --> 00:35:44,827
Speaker 2: a year, Okay, we're going to lose five test matches

664
00:35:44,867 --> 00:35:48,587
Speaker 2: this year. Regardless of whether we're playing twelve, thirteen or fourteen,

665
00:35:49,067 --> 00:35:52,107
Speaker 2: I still think five's a lot phil a lot of

666
00:35:52,227 --> 00:35:53,267
Speaker 2: there's a lot of defeats.

667
00:35:54,547 --> 00:35:56,787
Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree, I agree to that. I wouldn't be

668
00:35:56,827 --> 00:35:58,507
Speaker 11: a lot of that and I wouldn't be happy with

669
00:35:58,547 --> 00:36:00,467
Speaker 11: that too, you know, So I agree with you there

670
00:36:00,507 --> 00:36:03,867
Speaker 11: as well. And I also because yeah, the wiggle room,

671
00:36:03,947 --> 00:36:06,867
Speaker 11: like I thought, yeah, that's the public other than the

672
00:36:06,947 --> 00:36:10,347
Speaker 11: actual selectors and things like that and the players. Maybe

673
00:36:10,627 --> 00:36:12,467
Speaker 11: the year, the public were very hard. Like he said,

674
00:36:12,587 --> 00:36:13,907
Speaker 11: the guy going to lose his job. It's not a

675
00:36:14,027 --> 00:36:18,027
Speaker 11: line as already because he just started. But can I

676
00:36:18,027 --> 00:36:20,587
Speaker 11: get one other thing? And one other thing? And pointy,

677
00:36:20,947 --> 00:36:25,267
Speaker 11: I think that stupid yellow card rule for knocking the

678
00:36:25,307 --> 00:36:27,067
Speaker 11: ball down or you know, to try and stop a

679
00:36:27,147 --> 00:36:31,787
Speaker 11: troy is absolutely so I think that's crap as well, Like, okay,

680
00:36:32,187 --> 00:36:34,387
Speaker 11: get a penalty, you know for a knock on forward,

681
00:36:34,427 --> 00:36:37,427
Speaker 11: but they don't get sent off because you're trying to

682
00:36:37,427 --> 00:36:39,307
Speaker 11: stop the troy after are you? So where do you

683
00:36:39,347 --> 00:36:41,267
Speaker 11: tackle the guy or whether you can put your hand

684
00:36:41,307 --> 00:36:44,187
Speaker 11: out and stop a pass going to someone else, that's

685
00:36:44,267 --> 00:36:44,707
Speaker 11: the game.

686
00:36:44,787 --> 00:36:47,667
Speaker 2: And yeah, it seems like a very silly rule to me, Phil,

687
00:36:48,667 --> 00:36:50,467
Speaker 2: I'm sure, and I know there's a reason for it.

688
00:36:50,507 --> 00:36:54,027
Speaker 2: Of course, a deliberate knock on to you know, to

689
00:36:54,067 --> 00:36:58,947
Speaker 2: deny a try is obviously a serious infringement. But yeah,

690
00:36:58,987 --> 00:37:01,827
Speaker 2: give the penalty try if you want to. If it's

691
00:37:01,827 --> 00:37:04,667
Speaker 2: a if, if without that person there putting their hand

692
00:37:04,707 --> 00:37:07,067
Speaker 2: out to knock it on, the ball would have gone

693
00:37:07,067 --> 00:37:08,467
Speaker 2: to the outside man and they would have gone on

694
00:37:08,467 --> 00:37:10,627
Speaker 2: for the try in all probability, then give a penalty try.

695
00:37:11,547 --> 00:37:13,787
Speaker 2: That's always been my understanding of what a penalty try is.

696
00:37:13,867 --> 00:37:17,187
Speaker 2: If you take away the infringing player, if you somehow

697
00:37:17,187 --> 00:37:20,347
Speaker 2: make him invisible and the act that he did, if

698
00:37:20,347 --> 00:37:21,747
Speaker 2: you take that away, if it was going to be

699
00:37:21,787 --> 00:37:24,067
Speaker 2: a try and all probability, that's a penalty try. So

700
00:37:24,267 --> 00:37:27,427
Speaker 2: I think that's where we are with this. That's how

701
00:37:27,467 --> 00:37:30,467
Speaker 2: I feel. Anyway. Good to chat you, Phil, as always, Mike,

702
00:37:30,507 --> 00:37:32,227
Speaker 2: says Pinty. If the All Blacks win or lose within

703
00:37:32,307 --> 00:37:34,667
Speaker 2: seven to ten points either way, not a disaster wins

704
00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:37,547
Speaker 2: over England and it's lean most likely for me, Diane

705
00:37:37,547 --> 00:37:40,147
Speaker 2: says Jason. When and where is the New Zealand fifteen

706
00:37:40,187 --> 00:37:43,707
Speaker 2: game against Munster. Diana can tell you that it's tomorrow morning,

707
00:37:43,787 --> 00:37:49,067
Speaker 2: immediately following the Test match. Actually it's in Limerick and

708
00:37:49,187 --> 00:37:52,147
Speaker 2: that game will kick off at six thirty tomorrow morning.

709
00:37:52,147 --> 00:37:54,627
Speaker 2: The All Blacks get underwag just after four. Then Munster

710
00:37:54,707 --> 00:37:59,587
Speaker 2: against the New Zealand fifteen at six thirty. Brand high mate.

711
00:38:00,907 --> 00:38:03,227
Speaker 13: Yeah, Pony, you just answered one of the most questions

712
00:38:03,267 --> 00:38:06,987
Speaker 13: about that at seven fifteen tomorrow morning.

713
00:38:07,027 --> 00:38:09,827
Speaker 2: He said, Yeah, tomorrow morning at six six thirty. Looking

714
00:38:09,867 --> 00:38:12,667
Speaker 2: forward to it. Actually, I think it'll be just just

715
00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:14,147
Speaker 2: on t A b Odds. I know, the only means

716
00:38:14,187 --> 00:38:16,827
Speaker 2: so much the New zeal only fifteen are warm favorites.

717
00:38:16,867 --> 00:38:18,387
Speaker 2: But I'm sure Monster will be up for it.

718
00:38:19,307 --> 00:38:19,507
Speaker 6: Yeah.

719
00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:29,427
Speaker 13: Yeah, proper referee for the or Blecks tomorrow, Angus Gardner. Yeah,

720
00:38:29,347 --> 00:38:30,667
Speaker 13: which I think will be made.

721
00:38:30,667 --> 00:38:33,027
Speaker 2: Your help happy with them? Ye, happy with that appoint

722
00:38:33,107 --> 00:38:33,907
Speaker 2: Yeahpy with that appointment.

723
00:38:34,707 --> 00:38:37,347
Speaker 13: Absolutely might be so damn in the theoryize some of

724
00:38:37,347 --> 00:38:41,947
Speaker 13: them over there and is.

725
00:38:41,907 --> 00:38:43,907
Speaker 2: That not all a gray area there, brit I like it.

726
00:38:44,907 --> 00:38:45,107
Speaker 14: Well.

727
00:38:45,307 --> 00:38:47,027
Speaker 13: He seems to have learned a bit from some of

728
00:38:47,067 --> 00:38:49,707
Speaker 13: their bit of referees over the years. Is some of

729
00:38:49,707 --> 00:38:50,587
Speaker 13: the oddies heads?

730
00:38:50,867 --> 00:38:52,827
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good for him. I like him. I like him.

731
00:38:52,907 --> 00:38:56,867
Speaker 13: Yeah, And you're just on a local thing part laid

732
00:38:56,907 --> 00:39:00,627
Speaker 13: Law must be silly prey out of his contingent in

733
00:39:00,747 --> 00:39:03,947
Speaker 13: both teams from the hurricanes of them.

734
00:39:04,627 --> 00:39:04,867
Speaker 6: Yeps.

735
00:39:04,987 --> 00:39:07,547
Speaker 2: No, that's a good point. It is a very good point.

736
00:39:07,627 --> 00:39:10,947
Speaker 2: There are a lot of hurricanes in both these teams.

737
00:39:11,147 --> 00:39:14,267
Speaker 2: Duplus as I'm sure you've picked up well captain the

738
00:39:14,507 --> 00:39:18,227
Speaker 2: New Zealand fifteen just having a we look through. And

739
00:39:19,187 --> 00:39:21,867
Speaker 2: I think Ria Rubin Loves obviously joined the New Zealand

740
00:39:21,907 --> 00:39:24,747
Speaker 2: fifteen from the All Blacks, presumably so that he can

741
00:39:24,787 --> 00:39:27,227
Speaker 2: continue and get a bit more game time. Xavier new

742
00:39:27,267 --> 00:39:30,387
Speaker 2: Miya is there as well, so yeah, and I'm Isaiah

743
00:39:30,427 --> 00:39:32,827
Speaker 2: Walker Lea Wedde and then in the All Blacks of

744
00:39:32,827 --> 00:39:36,267
Speaker 2: course there's there's the usual suspects. Good point, Brent. I'm

745
00:39:36,267 --> 00:39:39,667
Speaker 2: sure Clark Laidlaw will be watching both games with great interest,

746
00:39:41,027 --> 00:39:42,627
Speaker 2: probably trying to still work out her his first five

747
00:39:42,747 --> 00:39:43,987
Speaker 2: is going to be next year, but I guess that

748
00:39:44,027 --> 00:39:46,827
Speaker 2: can wait. I guess that can wait. Eight to one,

749
00:39:46,907 --> 00:39:47,627
Speaker 2: US talks NB.

750
00:39:49,307 --> 00:39:51,627
Speaker 1: The Scoons from the track Fields and hand the court

751
00:39:51,867 --> 00:39:55,507
Speaker 1: on your Home of Lord Weekend Sport. Where's Jason Vine?

752
00:39:55,547 --> 00:39:58,587
Speaker 2: The US talks NB five to one after one o'clock.

753
00:39:58,587 --> 00:40:01,187
Speaker 2: We're going to drill down into the first of New

754
00:40:01,267 --> 00:40:06,907
Speaker 2: Zealand professional football Derby Wellington Phoenix, Auckland FC, Zach Hughes

755
00:40:06,947 --> 00:40:10,147
Speaker 2: out of the Phoenix, Tommy Smith out of Auckland FC.

756
00:40:10,347 --> 00:40:12,347
Speaker 2: But later on Darren Baseley's going to pop in as well.

757
00:40:12,347 --> 00:40:15,147
Speaker 2: All Whites coach. He'll be a very interested spectator. By

758
00:40:15,187 --> 00:40:18,147
Speaker 2: my count I reckon there's about eighteen guys across these

759
00:40:18,147 --> 00:40:21,187
Speaker 2: two squads who have played for the All Whites, So yeah,

760
00:40:21,307 --> 00:40:23,587
Speaker 2: a Whites head coach Darren Baisley with his thoughts, find

761
00:40:23,627 --> 00:40:26,067
Speaker 2: a few texts to mop up on the rugby. Jason

762
00:40:26,467 --> 00:40:29,427
Speaker 2: says Bowie. All Blacks to win. Why England's first game

763
00:40:29,467 --> 00:40:32,107
Speaker 2: of their autumn. Had it been their third, it would

764
00:40:32,107 --> 00:40:33,987
Speaker 2: have been harder to pack New Zealand by ten though, thanks.

765
00:40:34,027 --> 00:40:36,867
Speaker 2: Basup Ian, says Jason. I'm worried about who the ref

766
00:40:36,947 --> 00:40:39,347
Speaker 2: is as they have a huge impact on the game.

767
00:40:39,587 --> 00:40:41,267
Speaker 2: I looked at an old clip when the England team

768
00:40:41,267 --> 00:40:43,787
Speaker 2: beat us and how therefore they were flopping all over

769
00:40:43,787 --> 00:40:45,587
Speaker 2: the ball and stopping the fast turnover and the walls

770
00:40:45,627 --> 00:40:47,187
Speaker 2: and the rucks. Sam, I don't think you need to

771
00:40:47,187 --> 00:40:49,267
Speaker 2: worry angus Gardner's your man. I think he'll have a

772
00:40:49,307 --> 00:40:52,107
Speaker 2: handle on that, so that hopefully puts your mind it

773
00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:54,867
Speaker 2: at ease. Five losses of year says this one will

774
00:40:54,867 --> 00:40:57,667
Speaker 2: normally be unforgivable, but we have a complete rebuilding year

775
00:40:57,707 --> 00:40:59,587
Speaker 2: this year. Next year will be a very different story

776
00:41:00,507 --> 00:41:04,027
Speaker 2: and find a one here. We've also got to remember

777
00:41:04,467 --> 00:41:06,627
Speaker 2: that Razor doesn't have the squad to choose from that

778
00:41:06,667 --> 00:41:09,867
Speaker 2: Dean fostered it in twenty twenty two. Take out white Lock, Retallic, Frazelle,

779
00:41:09,907 --> 00:41:13,427
Speaker 2: Psmith and Warngar and it's a much weaker side this year.

780
00:41:14,107 --> 00:41:16,387
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, indeed for all of your calls

781
00:41:16,467 --> 00:41:19,307
Speaker 2: and your correspondence. As I say, we're going to flick

782
00:41:19,347 --> 00:41:22,387
Speaker 2: across to football after one o'clock. I'd be very interested.

783
00:41:22,427 --> 00:41:23,467
Speaker 2: You can start texting now.

784
00:41:23,347 --> 00:41:23,787
Speaker 7: If you like.

785
00:41:24,867 --> 00:41:29,507
Speaker 2: Who have you got and any Auckland based Phoenix fans?

786
00:41:29,587 --> 00:41:32,307
Speaker 2: Off that bandwagon and onto the Auckland One.

787
00:41:34,547 --> 00:41:37,427
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

788
00:41:37,827 --> 00:41:42,027
Speaker 1: and aster fields. It's all on Wi James Ford with Jason.

789
00:41:41,787 --> 00:41:47,707
Speaker 2: Vane on your home of Sport, US York. Hello that

790
00:41:47,947 --> 00:41:50,267
Speaker 2: seven past one. This is Weekend Sport. I'm Jason Fine,

791
00:41:50,267 --> 00:41:53,547
Speaker 2: Andy McDonald here too. We're here till three football our focus.

792
00:41:53,587 --> 00:41:56,507
Speaker 2: That's hour the Derby Wellington Phoenix Auckland FC have already

793
00:41:56,547 --> 00:41:59,587
Speaker 2: received a sternly worded email about the use of the

794
00:41:59,587 --> 00:42:04,907
Speaker 2: word Derby. I'll get to that. Andy on text says, afternoon, mat,

795
00:42:04,947 --> 00:42:08,467
Speaker 2: can you please tell us what time Liam Lawson's Grand

796
00:42:08,587 --> 00:42:13,867
Speaker 2: Prix Sprint Racers Three am? Andy, three am, just before

797
00:42:13,907 --> 00:42:17,307
Speaker 2: the All Blacks in Polymer All night in mate, watch

798
00:42:17,347 --> 00:42:19,267
Speaker 2: about a Liam Lawson, watch the All Blacks, watch the

799
00:42:19,507 --> 00:42:24,787
Speaker 2: New Zealand fifteen three o'clock tomorrow morning is when that

800
00:42:24,907 --> 00:42:27,627
Speaker 2: is Adam Peacock this hour as well. Out of Australia.

801
00:42:27,787 --> 00:42:31,747
Speaker 2: He is in Melbourne already. The Melbourne Cup Carnival I

802
00:42:31,747 --> 00:42:34,547
Speaker 2: think starts today, goes right through Melbourne Cup Day of

803
00:42:34,547 --> 00:42:39,547
Speaker 2: course itself on Tuesday, Oaks Day Thursday, I think it is,

804
00:42:39,587 --> 00:42:42,587
Speaker 2: and then a massive race day next Saturday too, So yeah,

805
00:42:42,627 --> 00:42:45,907
Speaker 2: burg week of racing in Melbourne. Adam Peacock's going to

806
00:42:45,987 --> 00:42:48,947
Speaker 2: keep us across all of that. Our lines are open

807
00:42:48,947 --> 00:42:51,267
Speaker 2: as always. R eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine,

808
00:42:51,307 --> 00:42:53,307
Speaker 2: two nine to two on text I asked before one

809
00:42:53,307 --> 00:42:59,747
Speaker 2: o'clock about allegiance to either of these two teams. I'll

810
00:42:59,747 --> 00:43:02,027
Speaker 2: talk about that in a sec. Let's actually talk to

811
00:43:02,107 --> 00:43:04,147
Speaker 2: some of the participants or one of them anyway in

812
00:43:04,187 --> 00:43:07,387
Speaker 2: the A League Derby sky Stadium, five o'clock this afternoon.

813
00:43:08,187 --> 00:43:10,867
Speaker 2: Auckland f C coming to pay visit or pay a

814
00:43:10,947 --> 00:43:12,387
Speaker 2: visit to the Wellington Phoenix.

815
00:43:12,467 --> 00:43:18,347
Speaker 3: Now Nagasawa await run two the Phoenix two paid came

816
00:43:18,467 --> 00:43:20,827
Speaker 3: from Teeth and he arrived.

817
00:43:20,427 --> 00:43:24,267
Speaker 15: With a powerful header that might just have the Phoenix

818
00:43:24,307 --> 00:43:26,427
Speaker 15: on track for the first bit of the season.

819
00:43:26,507 --> 00:43:28,987
Speaker 2: Mare that was a week ago. Wellington indeed picking up

820
00:43:29,027 --> 00:43:30,867
Speaker 2: their first one of the season, a two nil win

821
00:43:31,027 --> 00:43:34,227
Speaker 2: against Perth Glory at home. This afternoon, of course, against

822
00:43:34,267 --> 00:43:37,707
Speaker 2: Auckland f C. Let's bring in Wellington Phoenix defender Isaac Hughes.

823
00:43:37,827 --> 00:43:40,907
Speaker 2: Isaac a win away at Perth to follow a draw

824
00:43:41,347 --> 00:43:43,227
Speaker 2: in the first game of the season. So four points

825
00:43:43,267 --> 00:43:45,587
Speaker 2: from the first couple of games. How happy is the

826
00:43:45,627 --> 00:43:47,427
Speaker 2: side and how happy do you think the coaches are

827
00:43:47,467 --> 00:43:49,307
Speaker 2: with the performances in the first two matches.

828
00:43:51,107 --> 00:43:53,507
Speaker 8: I think it's a it's a mixed bag. I think

829
00:43:54,187 --> 00:43:56,107
Speaker 8: we felt like we played really well in that first

830
00:43:56,147 --> 00:43:58,907
Speaker 8: game and felt like we should have got all three points.

831
00:43:58,947 --> 00:44:01,547
Speaker 8: I think you know from both performances we should be

832
00:44:01,547 --> 00:44:03,947
Speaker 8: sitting on six points, but I think, you know, we're

833
00:44:03,947 --> 00:44:07,427
Speaker 8: not panicking, We're relaxed. I think everyone's feeling that there's

834
00:44:07,467 --> 00:44:09,907
Speaker 8: a lot like we're doing well, but there's a lot

835
00:44:09,987 --> 00:44:12,467
Speaker 8: more to do. We have a lot more in us.

836
00:44:12,707 --> 00:44:16,107
Speaker 2: Do you think there were improvements between the Western United

837
00:44:16,147 --> 00:44:19,227
Speaker 2: game and and what you did over in Western Australia

838
00:44:19,267 --> 00:44:20,507
Speaker 2: against Perth last weekend.

839
00:44:23,227 --> 00:44:27,187
Speaker 8: I think I think there was some improvement in maybe

840
00:44:27,507 --> 00:44:32,907
Speaker 8: the focus and some defensive element. I think I think

841
00:44:32,947 --> 00:44:38,587
Speaker 8: on the ball against Perth, we we still have ways

842
00:44:38,627 --> 00:44:41,867
Speaker 8: to go, you know. I think it's funny. I actually

843
00:44:41,907 --> 00:44:44,907
Speaker 8: think we've probably created better chances against Western United but

844
00:44:45,067 --> 00:44:47,987
Speaker 8: scored one less goal, So it's funny how that works.

845
00:44:48,027 --> 00:44:50,987
Speaker 8: But I think the mentality from the group was definitely

846
00:44:51,187 --> 00:44:52,987
Speaker 8: everyone was really switched on for the Perth game.

847
00:44:53,347 --> 00:44:55,347
Speaker 2: It sounds from your first couple of answers that you

848
00:44:55,507 --> 00:44:57,427
Speaker 2: believe there's still quite a bit of growth to come

849
00:44:57,427 --> 00:45:00,467
Speaker 2: in this and this team. I guess that's natural given

850
00:45:00,507 --> 00:45:02,227
Speaker 2: the fact you've only had two games in the season,

851
00:45:02,227 --> 00:45:04,907
Speaker 2: but you feel like there's there's a much higher ceiling

852
00:45:05,307 --> 00:45:07,507
Speaker 2: for this team than what we've so fat.

853
00:45:09,227 --> 00:45:13,547
Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely. I think in I think there's a lot

854
00:45:13,547 --> 00:45:15,987
Speaker 8: of new players that are, you know, learning how to

855
00:45:16,027 --> 00:45:19,627
Speaker 8: play with each other, and I think when everyone clicks,

856
00:45:19,667 --> 00:45:21,147
Speaker 8: I think we're going to be a scary team to

857
00:45:21,147 --> 00:45:21,427
Speaker 8: deal with.

858
00:45:22,307 --> 00:45:25,107
Speaker 2: So you yourself, you've had well, you've played every minute

859
00:45:25,187 --> 00:45:27,307
Speaker 2: or the first two games of the season, just the

860
00:45:27,347 --> 00:45:30,227
Speaker 2: four starts in all of last season among your living appearances.

861
00:45:30,627 --> 00:45:32,507
Speaker 2: How much have you enjoyed being part of the starting

862
00:45:32,507 --> 00:45:34,987
Speaker 2: of living from the very start of the season.

863
00:45:37,667 --> 00:45:41,547
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's good. It's football is a lot more

864
00:45:41,547 --> 00:45:46,747
Speaker 8: fun when you're instead of watching, but it's it's good.

865
00:45:46,747 --> 00:45:50,827
Speaker 8: It's it's good as well because being a probably to

866
00:45:50,827 --> 00:45:54,747
Speaker 8: be fair, last season, I was probably expecting that I've

867
00:45:54,827 --> 00:45:59,547
Speaker 8: come into the team earlier than I did. But this

868
00:45:59,667 --> 00:46:02,667
Speaker 8: season I've just been it's good to know that I'm

869
00:46:02,747 --> 00:46:05,987
Speaker 8: just like I'm going to be in the team, and well,

870
00:46:06,027 --> 00:46:07,667
Speaker 8: I think stand at the minute. So it just gives

871
00:46:07,667 --> 00:46:10,587
Speaker 8: me that like excitement and you know, I get I

872
00:46:10,587 --> 00:46:12,507
Speaker 8: feel like I'm in a rhythm now playing a game

873
00:46:12,547 --> 00:46:16,107
Speaker 8: every week and you know, I'm playing ninety minutes week

874
00:46:16,147 --> 00:46:16,667
Speaker 8: and week out.

875
00:46:16,667 --> 00:46:18,867
Speaker 6: It just feels like a good rhythm at the minute.

876
00:46:18,747 --> 00:46:21,387
Speaker 2: And You've been part of a three men central defense

877
00:46:21,387 --> 00:46:23,907
Speaker 2: with wing backs in the first couple of games. If

878
00:46:23,907 --> 00:46:26,267
Speaker 2: you went to a flatback four, for example, Chief he

879
00:46:26,307 --> 00:46:28,907
Speaker 2: has been known to switch formations here and there. If

880
00:46:28,947 --> 00:46:31,827
Speaker 2: you were part of a back four, you'd be comfortable

881
00:46:31,907 --> 00:46:32,747
Speaker 2: enough with that as well.

882
00:46:34,587 --> 00:46:38,947
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it makes no like makes no difference to

883
00:46:38,987 --> 00:46:41,827
Speaker 8: me personally. Like four or five. Obviously you have to

884
00:46:41,867 --> 00:46:45,307
Speaker 8: play slightly different. You have to defend probably a bit

885
00:46:45,307 --> 00:46:49,787
Speaker 8: more aggressively in the five, But yeah, I'm more than

886
00:46:49,787 --> 00:46:51,227
Speaker 8: comfortable playing in the four as well.

887
00:46:51,707 --> 00:46:54,507
Speaker 2: How much support have you been getting from Scott Wooton,

888
00:46:54,507 --> 00:46:56,867
Speaker 2: who's been around for a week while, how much supports

889
00:46:56,907 --> 00:46:59,387
Speaker 2: he given given you alongside in central defense?

890
00:47:01,307 --> 00:47:03,227
Speaker 8: A lot, A lot he gives. We had a couple

891
00:47:03,267 --> 00:47:06,107
Speaker 8: of pre season games where Scotty was out and I

892
00:47:06,147 --> 00:47:10,587
Speaker 8: think think his absence was definitely noted. I think he

893
00:47:10,787 --> 00:47:14,067
Speaker 8: just gives just a sense of calm. It's not even

894
00:47:14,107 --> 00:47:19,027
Speaker 8: like Scott. Scott just makes everyone around him a better player,

895
00:47:19,907 --> 00:47:22,147
Speaker 8: because he gives you the confidence to do your job

896
00:47:22,187 --> 00:47:26,507
Speaker 8: with conviction, whereas sometimes if if he's not there, you're

897
00:47:26,547 --> 00:47:28,307
Speaker 8: not fully sure if this is what you're meant to

898
00:47:28,307 --> 00:47:31,387
Speaker 8: be doing. But Scott gives you that confidence to do

899
00:47:31,467 --> 00:47:31,827
Speaker 8: your job.

900
00:47:31,947 --> 00:47:34,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great way of describing it. And head

901
00:47:34,307 --> 00:47:38,147
Speaker 2: coach Jihan Kellower Telliano very well known for having faith

902
00:47:38,227 --> 00:47:41,467
Speaker 2: in young players. How does he let you know, Isaac

903
00:47:41,547 --> 00:47:48,947
Speaker 2: that he has that confidence in you by starting me, Yeah, well,

904
00:47:48,987 --> 00:47:51,227
Speaker 2: that's that's a good that's a good start. What about

905
00:47:51,267 --> 00:47:53,387
Speaker 2: the words and and the messages he gives you.

906
00:47:56,387 --> 00:47:59,947
Speaker 8: He I think we're chiefly what's good with how it

907
00:47:59,987 --> 00:48:03,907
Speaker 8: deals with your young players is he's not He creates

908
00:48:03,907 --> 00:48:08,747
Speaker 8: an environment where you feel confident to ask questions, which

909
00:48:09,587 --> 00:48:12,627
Speaker 8: is actually unique. You know, I'm not I'm not walking

910
00:48:12,667 --> 00:48:16,987
Speaker 8: into training and fearing for my life every day, so

911
00:48:17,027 --> 00:48:19,187
Speaker 8: I'm able to ask a question, and if I'm much

912
00:48:19,347 --> 00:48:22,747
Speaker 8: on something, I'm able to, you know, check in with

913
00:48:22,827 --> 00:48:26,467
Speaker 8: the older players. I think that when that communication is open,

914
00:48:26,547 --> 00:48:29,707
Speaker 8: and you know, when everyone in the group is very approachable,

915
00:48:31,107 --> 00:48:33,907
Speaker 8: everything's clear, and then my job's easy to do because

916
00:48:33,907 --> 00:48:35,587
Speaker 8: I know I'm fully sure of what I'm meant to

917
00:48:35,587 --> 00:48:39,347
Speaker 8: be doing. I think sometimes young players are not because

918
00:48:39,347 --> 00:48:41,547
Speaker 8: they've not been in the game as long and not

919
00:48:41,627 --> 00:48:43,987
Speaker 8: quite sure what they're meant to do. But they're always

920
00:48:44,027 --> 00:48:44,827
Speaker 8: too scared.

921
00:48:44,547 --> 00:48:48,827
Speaker 2: To ask, right, But that's not the case here, which

922
00:48:48,867 --> 00:48:51,907
Speaker 2: is yeah, that's a that's a great illustration of the

923
00:48:51,907 --> 00:48:54,867
Speaker 2: way he deals with you younger players. So it's a

924
00:48:54,907 --> 00:48:57,507
Speaker 2: derby this afternoon. There's a lot of hype around about this,

925
00:48:57,667 --> 00:48:59,827
Speaker 2: mainly driven by the fans and the media. To be honest,

926
00:48:59,827 --> 00:49:02,267
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what it's like internally. But have you

927
00:49:02,347 --> 00:49:05,867
Speaker 2: tried to downplay the hype of this derby or have

928
00:49:05,947 --> 00:49:07,587
Speaker 2: you tried to actually embrace it?

929
00:49:12,187 --> 00:49:15,227
Speaker 8: I think you for certainly you have to acknowledge its there.

930
00:49:15,307 --> 00:49:18,067
Speaker 8: I think everyone knows that's a big game. I think

931
00:49:18,387 --> 00:49:21,347
Speaker 8: there's no point pretending that it's not. You know, we're

932
00:49:21,547 --> 00:49:23,707
Speaker 8: likely going to have a bigger crowd in here today

933
00:49:23,747 --> 00:49:28,387
Speaker 8: than for normal home games. But and I think obviously

934
00:49:28,387 --> 00:49:31,667
Speaker 8: it's been the first you know, New Zealand professional football

935
00:49:31,747 --> 00:49:35,107
Speaker 8: derby in history is pretty exciting as well. But I

936
00:49:35,107 --> 00:49:38,907
Speaker 8: think at the end of the day, all that doesn't

937
00:49:38,947 --> 00:49:40,987
Speaker 8: really mean aithing when you get out there onto the pitch.

938
00:49:41,027 --> 00:49:43,667
Speaker 8: I think as long as everyone's focused on their jobs,

939
00:49:44,067 --> 00:49:47,387
Speaker 8: like I see no reason why it will impact us.

940
00:49:47,827 --> 00:49:50,307
Speaker 2: Are they many players on the Auckland f C side

941
00:49:50,307 --> 00:49:53,827
Speaker 2: who you've played with or against regularly in the last

942
00:49:53,867 --> 00:49:56,107
Speaker 2: couple of years, you know, a club level or might

943
00:49:56,107 --> 00:49:59,307
Speaker 2: be in Underwright Gens national sites.

944
00:50:00,227 --> 00:50:04,787
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've played. I've played with and against Jesse Randall

945
00:50:04,867 --> 00:50:08,107
Speaker 8: quite a lot. I've played with him at the Olympics

946
00:50:08,107 --> 00:50:11,187
Speaker 8: and I played with him at lots of twenty threes qualifiers,

947
00:50:11,187 --> 00:50:16,067
Speaker 8: same with him with Liam Gillian, played with and against him.

948
00:50:16,347 --> 00:50:18,267
Speaker 8: I don't think I've actually played against him yet because

949
00:50:18,267 --> 00:50:22,147
Speaker 8: I've not played up from the city. But there's some

950
00:50:22,267 --> 00:50:24,227
Speaker 8: there's a few of the names and faces that like

951
00:50:24,947 --> 00:50:27,547
Speaker 8: I may have played once or twice or I do know,

952
00:50:27,867 --> 00:50:30,867
Speaker 8: or like maybe they've come into training Logan Rogers Rogerson

953
00:50:30,907 --> 00:50:33,787
Speaker 8: for example, has trained with us a couple of times.

954
00:50:33,827 --> 00:50:37,347
Speaker 8: But yeah, a lot, a lot of familiar faces. But

955
00:50:38,387 --> 00:50:39,307
Speaker 8: it's no issue.

956
00:50:39,627 --> 00:50:41,827
Speaker 2: And the Alex Paulson, of course, there's a familiar one.

957
00:50:42,907 --> 00:50:48,427
Speaker 2: He do you forgot No, I don't. I don't think

958
00:50:48,467 --> 00:50:51,027
Speaker 2: that they suggest anything. I mean, you know he's gonna

959
00:50:51,027 --> 00:50:53,027
Speaker 2: be there. Is it gonna be a bit weird seeing

960
00:50:53,107 --> 00:50:57,707
Speaker 2: him down the other end?

961
00:50:59,107 --> 00:50:59,827
Speaker 16: Nah, I don't.

962
00:50:59,867 --> 00:51:01,867
Speaker 8: I don't think, like, I don't think it's going to

963
00:51:01,947 --> 00:51:05,267
Speaker 8: be weird. Like we obviously know what AP can do,

964
00:51:05,307 --> 00:51:09,107
Speaker 8: we know what his strengths are. We know what his

965
00:51:09,227 --> 00:51:11,467
Speaker 8: weaknesses are, Like, we're going to have to try and

966
00:51:11,507 --> 00:51:13,907
Speaker 8: exploit them on the week, We're gonna have to try

967
00:51:13,907 --> 00:51:17,347
Speaker 8: and exploit them today. But you know, I don't think.

968
00:51:17,987 --> 00:51:19,827
Speaker 8: I think it'll be nice to see him after the game,

969
00:51:19,827 --> 00:51:20,507
Speaker 8: But I don't think.

970
00:51:21,507 --> 00:51:22,987
Speaker 13: I don't think it'll be strange now.

971
00:51:22,987 --> 00:51:26,027
Speaker 2: Brilliant And as you mentioned, big crowd and coming for

972
00:51:26,107 --> 00:51:28,987
Speaker 2: this one, how much energy do you take from from

973
00:51:29,027 --> 00:51:30,627
Speaker 2: a big home crowd in particular?

974
00:51:34,027 --> 00:51:37,627
Speaker 8: I think for me personally, the crowd helps me to

975
00:51:37,627 --> 00:51:41,867
Speaker 8: focus more. I think sometimes playing in a preseason game

976
00:51:41,907 --> 00:51:45,867
Speaker 8: in a stadium with no fans, it's the whole thing's

977
00:51:45,947 --> 00:51:50,427
Speaker 8: just weird. It's harder to focus. But in I think

978
00:51:50,507 --> 00:51:54,827
Speaker 8: bigger crowds just the more noise, just the nervous systems

979
00:51:54,867 --> 00:51:58,307
Speaker 8: more activated. I just find it easier to concentrate. And

980
00:51:58,307 --> 00:52:03,307
Speaker 8: I think it definitely it definitely for a lot of players,

981
00:52:03,667 --> 00:52:05,747
Speaker 8: gives them that little bit more of an edge to

982
00:52:05,787 --> 00:52:08,907
Speaker 8: go into a big tackle or you know, to make

983
00:52:08,947 --> 00:52:09,507
Speaker 8: a big block.

984
00:52:10,427 --> 00:52:12,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, big crowd coming in for a big game

985
00:52:12,907 --> 00:52:14,987
Speaker 2: this afternoon, Isaac, Thanks so much for taking the time

986
00:52:15,307 --> 00:52:17,747
Speaker 2: for a chat. All the best for the first ever

987
00:52:17,867 --> 00:52:20,027
Speaker 2: New Zealand professional football derby mate, thanks.

988
00:52:19,827 --> 00:52:21,707
Speaker 8: For the chat chats, Bony.

989
00:52:21,507 --> 00:52:23,867
Speaker 2: Thanks Isaac. Isaac hughes that on his way. By the

990
00:52:23,867 --> 00:52:25,787
Speaker 2: sounds of it, it might be a bit early. What

991
00:52:25,827 --> 00:52:29,067
Speaker 2: are we one seventeen game doesn't kick off till five o'clock.

992
00:52:29,187 --> 00:52:34,027
Speaker 2: Historic first ever professional New Zealand football derby Seventeen year

993
00:52:34,027 --> 00:52:38,187
Speaker 2: old Wellington Phoenix going into the eighteenth season actually welcoming

994
00:52:38,227 --> 00:52:41,347
Speaker 2: the A League's new boys Auckland FC to sky Stadium.

995
00:52:41,467 --> 00:52:44,147
Speaker 2: Great occasion in coming so much bars I have to

996
00:52:44,147 --> 00:52:47,547
Speaker 2: say around about this game in the Capital. Crowd of

997
00:52:47,707 --> 00:52:50,467
Speaker 2: over twenty thousand, maybe even as high as twenty five

998
00:52:51,067 --> 00:52:54,627
Speaker 2: expected this afternoon, it could threaten the Phoenix's best ever

999
00:52:55,787 --> 00:52:59,427
Speaker 2: regular season attendance, which was just over twenty four thousand

1000
00:52:59,507 --> 00:53:03,587
Speaker 2: when they returned after COVID twenty four thousand and change.

1001
00:53:03,627 --> 00:53:05,787
Speaker 2: Turning up for a game then so that could be

1002
00:53:05,867 --> 00:53:09,547
Speaker 2: under threat. And several hundred as I understand it, coming

1003
00:53:09,587 --> 00:53:12,107
Speaker 2: from Auckland as well, a lot of traveling fans which

1004
00:53:12,107 --> 00:53:17,027
Speaker 2: will be terrific. Now, as I mentioned that just before

1005
00:53:17,027 --> 00:53:20,027
Speaker 2: the news before one, there may well be some people

1006
00:53:20,067 --> 00:53:23,307
Speaker 2: and you might be one of these, who have divided

1007
00:53:23,307 --> 00:53:26,987
Speaker 2: loyalties now about this game, particularly those of you in

1008
00:53:27,027 --> 00:53:30,787
Speaker 2: Auckland who have supported the Phoenix all these years simply

1009
00:53:30,867 --> 00:53:33,627
Speaker 2: because that's all there was. There was only the Phoenix.

1010
00:53:34,987 --> 00:53:36,707
Speaker 2: Some of you may stick tight to that, stay with

1011
00:53:36,787 --> 00:53:41,707
Speaker 2: your team, continue to support Wellington Phoenix from Auckland, but

1012
00:53:41,787 --> 00:53:44,227
Speaker 2: others will say, well, now there's a team in my

1013
00:53:44,387 --> 00:53:47,187
Speaker 2: city who I can go and see play every week,

1014
00:53:47,227 --> 00:53:48,307
Speaker 2: I'm going to support them.

1015
00:53:49,507 --> 00:53:49,747
Speaker 13: Now.

1016
00:53:49,827 --> 00:53:54,627
Speaker 2: Either one of those two things is absolutely fine. App

1017
00:53:54,627 --> 00:53:58,547
Speaker 2: It's not that you need my permission, but absolutely acceptable

1018
00:53:58,907 --> 00:54:02,627
Speaker 2: entirely your choice of which of those two you choose.

1019
00:54:02,667 --> 00:54:07,307
Speaker 2: But what is not fine, what is not acceptable, not

1020
00:54:07,467 --> 00:54:15,707
Speaker 2: allowed is fence sitting. You have to choose stick or flip.

1021
00:54:17,267 --> 00:54:22,267
Speaker 2: Football fandom doesn't allow you to support two teams playing

1022
00:54:22,307 --> 00:54:25,867
Speaker 2: in the same league because when they play against one another,

1023
00:54:26,307 --> 00:54:29,987
Speaker 2: you're faced with an impossible conundrum. So you've had a

1024
00:54:29,987 --> 00:54:31,947
Speaker 2: couple of weeks to check out Auckland FC, to weigh

1025
00:54:31,987 --> 00:54:34,107
Speaker 2: them up, to get a gauge on them. But now

1026
00:54:34,347 --> 00:54:37,227
Speaker 2: the first derby is here. You have to know your

1027
00:54:37,227 --> 00:54:40,147
Speaker 2: colors to the masch You have to choose are you

1028
00:54:40,187 --> 00:54:44,587
Speaker 2: blue or are you yellow? Because you can't be both.

1029
00:54:46,307 --> 00:54:48,667
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine

1030
00:54:48,667 --> 00:54:50,507
Speaker 2: to two on Text one twenty back after this on

1031
00:54:50,507 --> 00:54:51,347
Speaker 2: news Stalks eb.

1032
00:54:51,907 --> 00:54:55,267
Speaker 1: It's more than just a game Weekends for It with

1033
00:54:55,467 --> 00:54:59,907
Speaker 1: Jason Hine and GJ. Garnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,

1034
00:55:00,027 --> 00:55:01,467
Speaker 1: News talksb.

1035
00:55:01,507 --> 00:55:05,507
Speaker 2: News Talks one twenty three Talking the Kiwi Darby, Brian says,

1036
00:55:05,587 --> 00:55:07,947
Speaker 2: I'm born and bred Auckland are proud of my city.

1037
00:55:07,987 --> 00:55:11,107
Speaker 2: I used to follow Manly in the NRL, then along

1038
00:55:11,107 --> 00:55:13,307
Speaker 2: came the Warriors and I jumped ship straight away. Same

1039
00:55:13,347 --> 00:55:15,947
Speaker 2: with football. I've always beged the Phoenix, but now we

1040
00:55:16,027 --> 00:55:18,947
Speaker 2: have our own team. I've dumped the yellow and black. Brian.

1041
00:55:18,987 --> 00:55:25,187
Speaker 2: That is that's totally acceptable, absolutely acceptable and common, I'm sure.

1042
00:55:25,507 --> 00:55:28,427
Speaker 2: But I'm sure there will also be Auckland based Phoenix

1043
00:55:28,467 --> 00:55:32,227
Speaker 2: fans who don't jump. They stick. Be keen to hear

1044
00:55:32,227 --> 00:55:35,987
Speaker 2: from you. If you're one of those, Hey, Nev Kenny.

1045
00:55:36,867 --> 00:55:40,867
Speaker 12: I'm actually a rugby man through us through, but I

1046
00:55:40,947 --> 00:55:45,667
Speaker 12: live in the Hawks Bay and when it comes to football,

1047
00:55:46,867 --> 00:55:49,187
Speaker 12: our team for me will always be the Phoenix.

1048
00:55:51,427 --> 00:55:51,787
Speaker 16: Be good.

1049
00:55:51,827 --> 00:55:56,347
Speaker 12: Auckland is always a bit distant and we don't seem

1050
00:55:56,347 --> 00:55:58,587
Speaker 12: to get on very well, with those big city.

1051
00:55:58,307 --> 00:56:02,987
Speaker 2: Guys, you're much more likely to make friends with us

1052
00:56:03,067 --> 00:56:04,227
Speaker 2: down in the Capitol and there.

1053
00:56:06,507 --> 00:56:09,427
Speaker 12: Do back to the Phoenix, and now there's another team come

1054
00:56:09,507 --> 00:56:11,427
Speaker 12: on the horizon. I'll still back to Phoenix.

1055
00:56:12,427 --> 00:56:14,867
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Nev. Well, that's good to hear, mate, I think. Yeah,

1056
00:56:14,987 --> 00:56:17,587
Speaker 2: I mean being in Hawk's Bay, I guess geographically you

1057
00:56:17,667 --> 00:56:20,787
Speaker 2: are closer. But by the sound of it, there's other

1058
00:56:20,867 --> 00:56:22,107
Speaker 2: qualities that play here too.

1059
00:56:23,027 --> 00:56:27,827
Speaker 12: Yeah, we don't forget the over ball game though, I

1060
00:56:27,867 --> 00:56:29,747
Speaker 12: won't forget that, and never I'd never forget that on

1061
00:56:29,787 --> 00:56:30,147
Speaker 12: this show.

1062
00:56:30,227 --> 00:56:33,187
Speaker 2: I'll never forget the oval ball. No, we're like all

1063
00:56:33,227 --> 00:56:37,627
Speaker 2: shapes and sizes here, Glen, Hi, mate, how's it going?

1064
00:56:38,467 --> 00:56:42,227
Speaker 7: Auckland Born and Breds and I were ever going to

1065
00:56:42,267 --> 00:56:45,907
Speaker 7: the musical Night's first game and the King's first game,

1066
00:56:45,987 --> 00:56:48,627
Speaker 7: of course was vinced in the last, so I was

1067
00:56:48,627 --> 00:56:51,787
Speaker 7: already glad to see the Phoenix. Could you get something going?

1068
00:56:51,827 --> 00:56:56,467
Speaker 7: And they've lasted, They've done well, and I'll stick with

1069
00:56:56,587 --> 00:56:58,347
Speaker 7: them for the simple reason is that they're a New

1070
00:56:58,427 --> 00:57:02,747
Speaker 7: Zealand team. They're doing well in the competition and Auckland

1071
00:57:02,827 --> 00:57:06,067
Speaker 7: do it. It's great because they're actually beating the Aussies.

1072
00:57:07,667 --> 00:57:10,947
Speaker 7: Of course we were the Ausies. The only thing I

1073
00:57:10,987 --> 00:57:17,827
Speaker 7: feel I'm still a little bit. This Porson transfer doesn't

1074
00:57:18,067 --> 00:57:18,547
Speaker 7: well with me.

1075
00:57:19,667 --> 00:57:21,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you're the only one.

1076
00:57:21,867 --> 00:57:25,067
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, when when, of course the transfer news

1077
00:57:25,067 --> 00:57:28,227
Speaker 7: came out on Facebook, I wrote down on what's the

1078
00:57:28,307 --> 00:57:30,787
Speaker 7: chance of a Midding transfer to Aukland City and I

1079
00:57:30,827 --> 00:57:33,747
Speaker 7: was pooh booed, and then of course it came to me.

1080
00:57:33,947 --> 00:57:37,027
Speaker 7: So yeah, that doesn't sac comfortably with me. But I

1081
00:57:37,027 --> 00:57:38,947
Speaker 7: think I'll stick with the Yellow and Blacks even though

1082
00:57:38,947 --> 00:57:39,467
Speaker 7: I'm in Auckland.

1083
00:57:40,627 --> 00:57:43,347
Speaker 2: Good summery Glenn. Thanks mate, Well that's great and I'd

1084
00:57:43,387 --> 00:57:45,027
Speaker 2: like it. I don't think you'll be the only one.

1085
00:57:45,467 --> 00:57:48,027
Speaker 2: I think. You know, football fandom runs deep, and a

1086
00:57:48,067 --> 00:57:51,747
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of Phoenix fans are Auckland based

1087
00:57:51,827 --> 00:57:54,907
Speaker 2: because the team's taken games up there a lot they've

1088
00:57:55,027 --> 00:57:58,107
Speaker 2: They've played at Eden Park, played at Albany, played at

1089
00:57:58,107 --> 00:58:00,787
Speaker 2: Mount Smart, They've played a lot of games in Auckland

1090
00:58:01,147 --> 00:58:02,747
Speaker 2: and picked up a lot of fans up there. But

1091
00:58:02,787 --> 00:58:05,667
Speaker 2: like I say, it'd be totally understandable if you're an

1092
00:58:05,667 --> 00:58:08,547
Speaker 2: Auckland football fan and you've you know, not so much

1093
00:58:08,587 --> 00:58:11,827
Speaker 2: become a diet in the Wall, yellow Fever member in Auckland.

1094
00:58:11,907 --> 00:58:14,227
Speaker 2: But you've always gone along to watch the Phoenix play

1095
00:58:14,227 --> 00:58:16,747
Speaker 2: when they're there, or you have done on occasion because hey,

1096
00:58:16,747 --> 00:58:19,307
Speaker 2: I want to see a professional game of football, and

1097
00:58:19,347 --> 00:58:21,387
Speaker 2: that was all that was available to you was when

1098
00:58:21,427 --> 00:58:24,107
Speaker 2: the Phoenix brought games there. Now you can go and

1099
00:58:24,107 --> 00:58:26,347
Speaker 2: watch them every other week pretty much. I know it's

1100
00:58:26,347 --> 00:58:29,187
Speaker 2: not home away, home away, but there's a team in

1101
00:58:29,227 --> 00:58:33,667
Speaker 2: your city. But you can't have both, not in my

1102
00:58:33,787 --> 00:58:38,147
Speaker 2: view anyway, however, Chris Is said, Piney, sorry, but I

1103
00:58:38,147 --> 00:58:42,067
Speaker 2: definitely can be both. I've supported the Phoenix for years.

1104
00:58:42,067 --> 00:58:44,267
Speaker 2: I'll chair for them when they play the other teams

1105
00:58:44,307 --> 00:58:46,787
Speaker 2: apart from Auckland when it comes to the Derby on

1106
00:58:46,867 --> 00:58:49,307
Speaker 2: Blue all the way, Chris, I kind of get it.

1107
00:58:49,467 --> 00:58:52,787
Speaker 2: I do, I do, I get it, But I guess

1108
00:58:52,987 --> 00:58:58,067
Speaker 2: that the illustration of your fandom is who you support

1109
00:58:58,107 --> 00:59:00,627
Speaker 2: when they play one another, and clearly for you it's

1110
00:59:00,627 --> 00:59:03,067
Speaker 2: the Blue and Black. So this afternoon it'll be the

1111
00:59:03,067 --> 00:59:07,707
Speaker 2: Blue and Black, and I I guess also living there,

1112
00:59:08,107 --> 00:59:09,907
Speaker 2: you get the chance to go along and watch them,

1113
00:59:10,027 --> 00:59:13,067
Speaker 2: and it's such a close connection when you can live

1114
00:59:14,667 --> 00:59:21,867
Speaker 2: go to watch a team play. Text here Who do

1115
00:59:21,947 --> 00:59:25,907
Speaker 2: you support Wellington or Auckland. Now this is a very

1116
00:59:25,947 --> 00:59:29,307
Speaker 2: interesting question for me personally. I have to say, mainly

1117
00:59:29,347 --> 00:59:32,267
Speaker 2: because I'm not sure if you know this, but I

1118
00:59:32,427 --> 00:59:34,827
Speaker 2: work in the game. In terms of the broadcast of it,

1119
00:59:35,467 --> 00:59:37,907
Speaker 2: I have to commentate this game this afternoon, which I'm

1120
00:59:38,027 --> 00:59:41,267
Speaker 2: very much looking forward to. I'm from Wellington, and as

1121
00:59:41,307 --> 00:59:43,747
Speaker 2: you've probably worked out when you listen to me on

1122
00:59:43,787 --> 00:59:47,187
Speaker 2: the show, I'm very proud of being a Wellingtonian, very

1123
00:59:47,227 --> 00:59:50,427
Speaker 2: proud of it, and I'll always back the Hurricanes and

1124
00:59:50,467 --> 00:59:52,987
Speaker 2: the Lions and the Firebirds and the Pulse and those teams.

1125
00:59:53,547 --> 00:59:56,027
Speaker 2: And I guess up until now I could happily back

1126
00:59:56,187 --> 01:00:02,827
Speaker 2: the Phoenix without coming across as being biased. But this afternoon,

1127
01:00:02,907 --> 01:00:07,347
Speaker 2: when I do a commentary on Sky, I have to

1128
01:00:07,387 --> 01:00:11,387
Speaker 2: be impartial. I have to. There's there's no other way.

1129
01:00:11,747 --> 01:00:12,267
Speaker 2: I can't.

1130
01:00:12,387 --> 01:00:13,027
Speaker 4: I can't.

1131
01:00:13,267 --> 01:00:17,387
Speaker 2: I can't just cheer for one team. But I tried

1132
01:00:17,427 --> 01:00:18,907
Speaker 2: to do that anyway when the Phoenix are playing in

1133
01:00:18,907 --> 01:00:21,907
Speaker 2: Australian side don't try to be as impartial as possible.

1134
01:00:22,067 --> 01:00:26,147
Speaker 2: So it's an impossible question for me to ask to answer. Rather,

1135
01:00:26,187 --> 01:00:27,667
Speaker 2: who do you support it? Who do you support? I

1136
01:00:27,907 --> 01:00:30,387
Speaker 2: don't support either of the teams in the game this afternoon.

1137
01:00:30,387 --> 01:00:32,907
Speaker 17: Are you going back on your own on your own statement,

1138
01:00:32,947 --> 01:00:35,187
Speaker 17: Piney that you that you can support both.

1139
01:00:36,187 --> 01:00:39,907
Speaker 2: I'm not supporting either. That sounds like a cop out.

1140
01:00:39,907 --> 01:00:40,507
Speaker 13: I don't like it.

1141
01:00:40,947 --> 01:00:42,547
Speaker 2: Not a fan of this. I'm not a fan of

1142
01:00:42,547 --> 01:00:46,107
Speaker 2: the side of you, Piney. Well, I mean you do

1143
01:00:46,387 --> 01:00:49,467
Speaker 2: you do understand the position I find myself and in

1144
01:00:49,547 --> 01:00:51,547
Speaker 2: terms of the broadcast of the game, Endy, don't you.

1145
01:00:52,227 --> 01:00:54,827
Speaker 17: I understand that loud and clear. Mate, I understand that

1146
01:00:54,867 --> 01:00:56,947
Speaker 17: loud and clear. But I also understand that you just

1147
01:00:56,987 --> 01:00:58,067
Speaker 17: said you have to pick one?

1148
01:00:59,067 --> 01:00:59,707
Speaker 2: Well, can you put you?

1149
01:00:59,787 --> 01:00:59,907
Speaker 4: Well?

1150
01:00:59,987 --> 01:01:02,707
Speaker 2: No, what I'm what I meant was you can't pick both.

1151
01:01:02,947 --> 01:01:05,787
Speaker 2: You can pick one or none, and I'm choosing none.

1152
01:01:06,227 --> 01:01:08,747
Speaker 2: You saying you don't support either Kiwi teams? Now, Piney

1153
01:01:10,187 --> 01:01:15,547
Speaker 2: the phones man the phones My eleven year old son

1154
01:01:16,387 --> 01:01:19,067
Speaker 2: says the text as Auckland FA I'm Phoenix Civil War.

1155
01:01:19,307 --> 01:01:20,267
Speaker 2: It's on in the tron.

1156
01:01:21,147 --> 01:01:24,427
Speaker 18: Hello Steve, Yeah, Hey, Piney, how are you?

1157
01:01:24,587 --> 01:01:25,107
Speaker 2: I'm okay.

1158
01:01:26,267 --> 01:01:32,067
Speaker 18: I'm just so fizzing for this game because I'm Wellington supporter,

1159
01:01:32,587 --> 01:01:34,627
Speaker 18: but I live in Auckland and I just want them

1160
01:01:34,667 --> 01:01:38,067
Speaker 18: both to pay well. And I support Orchard. I'll support

1161
01:01:38,107 --> 01:01:42,587
Speaker 18: them over Wellington Phoenix tonight. But I'm supporting the Phoenix

1162
01:01:42,587 --> 01:01:43,707
Speaker 18: and all the other games.

1163
01:01:44,187 --> 01:01:46,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's common, that's common, yeah, but

1164
01:01:46,187 --> 01:01:48,587
Speaker 2: but yeah, but when they play one another, Steve, you're

1165
01:01:48,587 --> 01:01:50,147
Speaker 2: blue and black, not yellow and black.

1166
01:01:50,227 --> 01:01:53,067
Speaker 18: Yeah, for sure, mate, for sure. I had the most

1167
01:01:53,067 --> 01:01:55,827
Speaker 18: amazing day to day. You wouldn't believe it. And I'm

1168
01:01:55,827 --> 01:01:58,387
Speaker 18: back here now, long in my bed waiting for this

1169
01:01:58,507 --> 01:02:02,667
Speaker 18: game to come good amazing mate.

1170
01:02:02,667 --> 01:02:04,387
Speaker 2: Well, I hope it continues for you. I hope it

1171
01:02:04,387 --> 01:02:06,947
Speaker 2: continues for you. You've only got about three and a

1172
01:02:06,987 --> 01:02:09,667
Speaker 2: half hours to wait until kick off, Steve, I hope

1173
01:02:09,667 --> 01:02:11,227
Speaker 2: you can fill in that time. Good to chat to

1174
01:02:11,267 --> 01:02:13,107
Speaker 2: your mate, Richard Hype.

1175
01:02:14,907 --> 01:02:18,427
Speaker 16: Jackson. It's Riscid. You remember me, probably, mate. I'm I'm

1176
01:02:18,827 --> 01:02:21,107
Speaker 16: Phoenix all the way. I live in Auckland. I'm wearing

1177
01:02:21,147 --> 01:02:23,387
Speaker 16: a Phoenix shirt and that had a Phoenix cap on

1178
01:02:23,507 --> 01:02:26,507
Speaker 16: just a moment ago. And I'll support Aukland. You're seeing

1179
01:02:26,667 --> 01:02:29,667
Speaker 16: everybody else obviously, I'm going to support the Phoenix against

1180
01:02:29,707 --> 01:02:31,867
Speaker 16: the End today though I live in Orkland. You can't

1181
01:02:31,947 --> 01:02:34,507
Speaker 16: change your strikes man. I totally don't agree with that.

1182
01:02:34,547 --> 01:02:36,747
Speaker 16: You've got to stick with the team. It's been seventeen seasons.

1183
01:02:36,747 --> 01:02:40,107
Speaker 2: Man, I love it, Richard, I love it. And look,

1184
01:02:40,587 --> 01:02:41,987
Speaker 2: as I've said a couple of people, I don't think

1185
01:02:42,067 --> 01:02:44,587
Speaker 2: either of the two things is uncommon. There'll be some who,

1186
01:02:44,867 --> 01:02:47,187
Speaker 2: perhaps maybe more discretion in football fans who say, right,

1187
01:02:47,187 --> 01:02:49,267
Speaker 2: there's a team in my city, now I'll support them.

1188
01:02:49,307 --> 01:02:51,387
Speaker 2: But for someone like you, who's been, by the sounds

1189
01:02:51,427 --> 01:02:53,347
Speaker 2: of it anyway, deeply invested in the Phoenix for the

1190
01:02:53,427 --> 01:02:57,227
Speaker 2: last seventeen years, you're right, that's that's a hard habit

1191
01:02:57,267 --> 01:03:00,347
Speaker 2: to break, man, that's a hard bond to let go of.

1192
01:03:01,947 --> 01:03:03,707
Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm totally not going tom. I'm a good mate

1193
01:03:03,707 --> 01:03:05,467
Speaker 16: who's coming over after a work today to watch the

1194
01:03:05,507 --> 01:03:07,867
Speaker 16: game with me through st Aukland f cea game and

1195
01:03:08,107 --> 01:03:10,467
Speaker 16: with another maid. And I was like, okay, enough, you know,

1196
01:03:10,507 --> 01:03:12,427
Speaker 16: but he's come over to sport the Phoenix today. They

1197
01:03:12,467 --> 01:03:14,547
Speaker 16: said better be Hey, I'm got one more for you.

1198
01:03:16,547 --> 01:03:21,307
Speaker 16: So David Gohan yesterday on Darcy Watergrave Show, he was

1199
01:03:21,547 --> 01:03:25,707
Speaker 16: Darcy askedon about Phoenix not taking home games to Auckland

1200
01:03:26,027 --> 01:03:30,627
Speaker 16: and Goan. He excavated the question. He said that it's

1201
01:03:30,667 --> 01:03:32,467
Speaker 16: now a question of it's not as easy it used

1202
01:03:32,507 --> 01:03:34,827
Speaker 16: to be. It's now a question of three parties. That's them,

1203
01:03:35,307 --> 01:03:37,947
Speaker 16: Eden Park and Auckland f CEA. I assume so he's

1204
01:03:37,947 --> 01:03:41,107
Speaker 16: dodging the question. Obviously they could take an Auckland, you know,

1205
01:03:41,307 --> 01:03:44,307
Speaker 16: a game against Auckland from Wellington up to eden Park.

1206
01:03:44,587 --> 01:03:47,787
Speaker 16: But what about games against Australian sides? Now they used

1207
01:03:47,787 --> 01:03:50,467
Speaker 16: to draw twenty thousand people for Phoenix games. Why wouldn't

1208
01:03:50,467 --> 01:03:53,067
Speaker 16: they come up here? Why can't I watch my Phoenix

1209
01:03:53,107 --> 01:03:56,147
Speaker 16: play against someone other than Auckland and Auckland It ain't right?

1210
01:03:57,867 --> 01:04:00,987
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's It's a really tricky one, isn't it.

1211
01:04:00,987 --> 01:04:03,947
Speaker 2: It's I guess if you're Flipper and you're in You're

1212
01:04:04,587 --> 01:04:08,347
Speaker 2: you're in Wellington, what would you feel about Auckland f

1213
01:04:08,427 --> 01:04:10,667
Speaker 2: C bringing a game a hut because it would be

1214
01:04:10,707 --> 01:04:14,427
Speaker 2: a home game, bringing a game to Wellington rather than

1215
01:04:14,427 --> 01:04:16,627
Speaker 2: playing it in Auckland. And I think what the home

1216
01:04:16,667 --> 01:04:19,427
Speaker 2: fans would say that the Wellington based fans, and I

1217
01:04:19,507 --> 01:04:21,547
Speaker 2: totally get there's a massive number of you up there

1218
01:04:21,587 --> 01:04:24,907
Speaker 2: in Auckland as well. I guess what the home fans

1219
01:04:24,907 --> 01:04:27,267
Speaker 2: would say is, why are you taking a game not

1220
01:04:27,307 --> 01:04:30,067
Speaker 2: only away from us? But into the backyard of one

1221
01:04:30,107 --> 01:04:31,547
Speaker 2: of our biggest rivals.

1222
01:04:33,747 --> 01:04:37,867
Speaker 16: Gets the Australian slide and them playing Australian sides in Auckland.

1223
01:04:37,907 --> 01:04:39,947
Speaker 16: Why wouldn't they do it? And I just don't understand.

1224
01:04:39,947 --> 01:04:41,907
Speaker 16: I mean, don't they make money? I think they still

1225
01:04:41,987 --> 01:04:44,667
Speaker 16: you know, they tweet thousands strong. They're not not kid

1226
01:04:44,667 --> 01:04:46,827
Speaker 16: that anymore obviously, you know what I mean.

1227
01:04:47,547 --> 01:04:49,227
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Richard, I do know what you mean. And

1228
01:04:49,507 --> 01:04:52,987
Speaker 2: look I and I didn't hear Darcy and Domie having

1229
01:04:52,987 --> 01:04:56,027
Speaker 2: a chat. Look, I don't think they'd rule it out,

1230
01:04:56,067 --> 01:04:58,507
Speaker 2: but it feels a lot more unlikely now that Auckland

1231
01:04:58,547 --> 01:05:01,307
Speaker 2: f C are there. It feels like that's their patch now.

1232
01:05:01,507 --> 01:05:03,467
Speaker 2: So if the Phoenix were going to take home games away,

1233
01:05:03,507 --> 01:05:05,467
Speaker 2: and they are this summer, they'll go other places. They're

1234
01:05:05,467 --> 01:05:07,707
Speaker 2: going to christ j and you're as you probably know.

1235
01:05:07,787 --> 01:05:09,787
Speaker 2: I get it from your point of view, mate, but

1236
01:05:09,907 --> 01:05:12,387
Speaker 2: I can't wait for the You've got two derbies up there.

1237
01:05:13,427 --> 01:05:14,827
Speaker 2: The first one you have to wait that long for.

1238
01:05:14,827 --> 01:05:18,707
Speaker 2: It's in early December. Looking forward to seeing you at

1239
01:05:18,707 --> 01:05:21,587
Speaker 2: that one. Richard. Thanks for your call, mate. Definitely not swapping,

1240
01:05:21,587 --> 01:05:24,667
Speaker 2: says Campbell. Next three to one this afternoon, Pine I

1241
01:05:24,787 --> 01:05:27,707
Speaker 2: was a Phoenix fan originally, says Brendan. I'm from Wellington,

1242
01:05:28,667 --> 01:05:30,987
Speaker 2: but I'm now clearly an Auckland FC fan and I

1243
01:05:30,987 --> 01:05:33,467
Speaker 2: think tonight's result will be a drawer. Thanks Brendan. Yellow

1244
01:05:33,467 --> 01:05:36,307
Speaker 2: and Black to win, says Michael Bruce, says Piney, if

1245
01:05:36,307 --> 01:05:38,587
Speaker 2: a Key we move to Australia, would they support the Wallabies?

1246
01:05:38,707 --> 01:05:42,227
Speaker 2: I doubt it. Yeah, that's different though, I guess and

1247
01:05:42,267 --> 01:05:44,987
Speaker 2: away Bruce and that that's the person moving rather than

1248
01:05:45,027 --> 01:05:48,547
Speaker 2: a team arriving. But I get your point. I can

1249
01:05:48,587 --> 01:05:51,627
Speaker 2: support both, says this text. The child of me will

1250
01:05:51,667 --> 01:05:55,947
Speaker 2: always cheer for the sporting play of any team, and

1251
01:05:55,987 --> 01:05:58,347
Speaker 2: with any halfway decent team, there'll be many goals scored

1252
01:05:58,347 --> 01:06:00,187
Speaker 2: in a match, so I cheer for both. I'm blue,

1253
01:06:00,307 --> 01:06:04,827
Speaker 2: Yellow and Black. Thank you, Kate. I appreciate that very much.

1254
01:06:04,907 --> 01:06:08,987
Speaker 2: Twenty six away from two, it's gonna be Bronner.

1255
01:06:09,267 --> 01:06:17,267
Speaker 19: It's dangers go from Nano Planica. No no Planica has

1256
01:06:17,307 --> 01:06:19,747
Speaker 19: got the gir Then it's gonna get down by f

1257
01:06:19,827 --> 01:06:20,427
Speaker 19: C Bacty.

1258
01:06:23,827 --> 01:06:26,427
Speaker 4: It's found the play of the line before being play.

1259
01:06:26,907 --> 01:06:28,387
Speaker 19: There's no plony covers me.

1260
01:06:28,507 --> 01:06:30,907
Speaker 6: Here on the y gonna win it.

1261
01:06:31,227 --> 01:06:34,067
Speaker 2: That was a week ago, with Nando Pinniker's ninety seventh

1262
01:06:34,147 --> 01:06:37,227
Speaker 2: minute back hill giving the Blow and Black their second

1263
01:06:37,267 --> 01:06:39,587
Speaker 2: win of the season over Sydney FC. Let's bring in

1264
01:06:39,747 --> 01:06:42,667
Speaker 2: Auckland f C and All Whites defender and Auckland FC

1265
01:06:42,827 --> 01:06:45,067
Speaker 2: vice captain Tommy Smith. Tommy, thanks for joining us on

1266
01:06:45,147 --> 01:06:47,747
Speaker 2: game day. You've played a lot of football, mate. Did

1267
01:06:47,787 --> 01:06:50,987
Speaker 2: you ever think that you'd play in a professional New

1268
01:06:51,107 --> 01:06:51,907
Speaker 2: Zealand Derby?

1269
01:06:53,227 --> 01:06:55,427
Speaker 20: No, growing up it was it was never really on

1270
01:06:55,507 --> 01:06:58,867
Speaker 20: the cars, you know. It was obviously the Football Kings

1271
01:06:58,907 --> 01:07:01,107
Speaker 20: and the New Zealand Knights and obviously moved down to

1272
01:07:01,227 --> 01:07:04,507
Speaker 20: Wellington Phoenix, so it never really crossed my mind that

1273
01:07:04,547 --> 01:07:06,747
Speaker 20: it would be a possibility. But obviously it's it's very

1274
01:07:06,827 --> 01:07:09,867
Speaker 20: exciting that it's now a reality and we're obviously looking

1275
01:07:09,907 --> 01:07:13,187
Speaker 20: forward to getting that first rivalry game underway.

1276
01:07:13,427 --> 01:07:15,787
Speaker 2: Before we talk about the game today, how have you

1277
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Speaker 2: assisted the performances of the team in your first team mates?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think it's obviously the two results speak for themselves,

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01:07:23,227 --> 01:07:26,267
Speaker 20: brilliant results for us as a club. It's always difficult

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Speaker 20: when you're a brand new club start from scratch, and

1281
01:07:29,787 --> 01:07:31,907
Speaker 20: so to do that is a testament to the work

1282
01:07:32,027 --> 01:07:34,587
Speaker 20: that everybody's putting from top to bottom, you know, the

1283
01:07:34,947 --> 01:07:39,347
Speaker 20: back room staff, the office staff, everyone's just put so

1284
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Speaker 20: much effort and time into making it what it is.

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Speaker 20: And the culmination of that was those two results, which

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Speaker 20: are outstanding for the club.

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Speaker 2: So in pre season and as you got towards the

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Speaker 2: start of the new season, Tommy, did you get a

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Speaker 2: feeling that you guys were going to be okay? That

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Speaker 2: you had a pretty good team there?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think on paper anyway, you know, you look

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Speaker 20: at the squad and the Pedigrea player that's in that squad,

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Speaker 20: it's a pretty decent squad. So it was obviously just

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01:08:02,747 --> 01:08:05,107
Speaker 20: going to be a case of how well we gel together.

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Speaker 20: And the long preseason helped in that regard. You know,

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Speaker 20: I think we played I can't remember exactly how many

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Speaker 20: preseason games we had included in house games, but a

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Speaker 20: fair few games to get to know each other on

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Speaker 20: and off the pitch. So yeah, we always knew we

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01:08:19,147 --> 01:08:22,067
Speaker 20: had a little bit, but it's obviously you're never certain

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Speaker 20: until that season actually starts.

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Speaker 2: And the only team in the A League means after

1303
01:08:26,307 --> 01:08:28,907
Speaker 2: two rounds that has yet to concede a goal as

1304
01:08:28,947 --> 01:08:31,627
Speaker 2: a defensive unit, how proud, are you of the two

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01:08:31,707 --> 01:08:32,347
Speaker 2: clean sheets?

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01:08:33,507 --> 01:08:36,067
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's something that we pride ourselves in, and we

1307
01:08:36,107 --> 01:08:39,267
Speaker 20: didn't keep the many clean sheets throughout preseason, so it's

1308
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Speaker 20: something that was a real big focus of us to

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Speaker 20: improve on, and obviously it's great. It's great that the

1310
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Speaker 20: team's got two clean sheets in a row and hopefully

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Speaker 20: we can make it a third today.

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Speaker 2: You bring a huge amount of experience to this team, Tommy.

1313
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Speaker 2: Have you had to keep some of the younger players

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Speaker 2: feet on the ground ahead of ahead of this derby

1315
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Speaker 2: because there is you know, there's a bit of hype

1316
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Speaker 2: around about it.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think you know, we've got a real good

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Speaker 20: group of guys there that they are humble. They understand

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Speaker 20: we've got talent in the squad, but you know, we're

1320
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Speaker 20: all working really hard and we know that we can't

1321
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Speaker 20: rest on our laurels and we want to keep this

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Speaker 20: run going, so we have to work extremely hard. We

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01:09:14,787 --> 01:09:17,427
Speaker 20: know it's going to be a tough contest and it's

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Speaker 20: obviously going to be an exciting prospect, but yeah, we

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Speaker 20: just need to keep doing the things that have got

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Speaker 20: success this far and hopefully we'll be on the right

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Speaker 20: end of the result.

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Speaker 2: You would have played Derby's I'm sure, and at many

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Speaker 2: of the other clubs you've been involved in of various sizes.

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Speaker 2: Do you, as a player relish you know, the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to play Derby Madges.

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Speaker 20: Absolutely. It certainly adds another dimension to a game, and

1333
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Speaker 20: it's obviously brilliant for fans to have something else to

1334
01:09:45,147 --> 01:09:48,187
Speaker 20: get their teeth stuck into. And you know, there's the

1335
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Speaker 20: fire has been stoked a little bit from either end

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Speaker 20: over the past sort of a few days and months.

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Speaker 20: Even so, it'll be good to see that all comes

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Speaker 20: to fruition.

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Speaker 2: Have you had to rap any extra support around Alex

1340
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Speaker 2: Paulson this week given the reception through no fold of

1341
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Speaker 2: his own then he might get from the Wellington fans.

1342
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Speaker 20: Not really, No, think we've we've been giving him a

1343
01:10:07,427 --> 01:10:09,907
Speaker 20: little bit of banter about it, but I'm sure he'll

1344
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Speaker 20: be He will be on the receiving end of some

1345
01:10:11,907 --> 01:10:14,427
Speaker 20: of that, but hopefully it doesn't get personal and it's

1346
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Speaker 20: just a lighthearted bit of banter from the fans because

1347
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Speaker 20: like you say, it wasn't through any fault of his own.

1348
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Speaker 20: It was just a career progression for him and then

1349
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Speaker 20: he's ended up back at Auckland on loan, so hopefully

1350
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Speaker 20: they're not too harsh on him, but I'm sure they'll

1351
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Speaker 20: give him a bit of ribbon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's the key way, isn't it. As

1353
01:10:31,987 --> 01:10:34,067
Speaker 2: you say, you're probably giving at a bit bender internally.

1354
01:10:34,227 --> 01:10:36,747
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I think that's definitely the key we way.

1355
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Speaker 2: It probably happened in the all white set up as well,

1356
01:10:38,587 --> 01:10:41,147
Speaker 2: did it once you you know, like lines were being drawn,

1357
01:10:41,187 --> 01:10:43,267
Speaker 2: were able to sit with a guy like Tim Payne

1358
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Speaker 2: and have some lunch for example.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 20: Obviously at the time we met up the last camp,

1361
01:10:48,267 --> 01:10:50,627
Speaker 20: it wasn't on the horizon. So I think it'll be

1362
01:10:50,707 --> 01:10:52,947
Speaker 20: a bit more interesting obviously after the game has been

1363
01:10:52,987 --> 01:10:55,827
Speaker 20: played the next Doll Whites camp to see how how

1364
01:10:55,907 --> 01:10:58,347
Speaker 20: everyone's doing, depending on what that result outcome is.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about the energy that you've you've since at

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Speaker 2: Mount Smart these first couple of weeks, Tommy, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean from the outside looking in and and by

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Speaker 2: every measure that you know, the crowds have been terrific.

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Speaker 2: What have they been like, you know, to play in

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Speaker 2: front of as a player.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, they've been electric, to be fair, and it's again

1372
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Speaker 20: a testament to the corporate team for getting people along

1373
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Speaker 20: and hopefully they've enjoyed the experience of seeing the two

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Speaker 20: wins first and foremost. But listen the noise they brought

1375
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Speaker 20: for both games, especially that first game was brilliant to

1376
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Speaker 20: be a part of. And for a lot of our

1377
01:11:32,867 --> 01:11:34,787
Speaker 20: guys it would have been the biggest crowd they've played

1378
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Speaker 20: in front off, So it's amazing for them to use

1379
01:11:37,947 --> 01:11:39,947
Speaker 20: that energy of the crowd and it does help. It

1380
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Speaker 20: is I know it's a cliche to say that the

1381
01:11:41,827 --> 01:11:44,427
Speaker 20: crowd are twelfth man, but when they're as loud and

1382
01:11:44,507 --> 01:11:46,427
Speaker 20: as behind you as they were for us, you know,

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Speaker 20: it really does help. And I think you see in

1384
01:11:48,987 --> 01:11:53,307
Speaker 20: the culmination of a ninety seventh winner how the stands

1385
01:11:53,387 --> 01:11:54,987
Speaker 20: just erupted and it was brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Has Nando been this week talking about as win or

1387
01:11:57,787 --> 01:12:00,987
Speaker 2: has it become a bicycle kick from outside the area

1388
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Speaker 2: or is he you know, as well aware as a

1389
01:12:03,107 --> 01:12:05,947
Speaker 2: bare keel and nutmeg the keeper it.

1390
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Speaker 20: Keeps and back hills. Now, so we've got we've got

1391
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Speaker 20: to put a lid on that. But now, obviously it's

1392
01:12:11,227 --> 01:12:13,987
Speaker 20: great for him to get his first goal and just.

1393
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Speaker 2: On the All Whites, obviously you're singularly focused on club

1394
01:12:16,347 --> 01:12:19,027
Speaker 2: football at the moment, but another window coming up with

1395
01:12:19,107 --> 01:12:21,307
Speaker 2: games against vanuad Do and some more. As you travel

1396
01:12:21,347 --> 01:12:23,707
Speaker 2: along the road to the next World Cup, that's something

1397
01:12:23,747 --> 01:12:26,427
Speaker 2: that you're you're keen to be a part of, you know,

1398
01:12:26,867 --> 01:12:28,987
Speaker 2: the journey to the twenty twenty six Football World Cup.

1399
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Speaker 20: Absolutely, yes, obviously been a long time since the All

1400
01:12:32,747 --> 01:12:35,827
Speaker 20: Whites have been at the World Cup. So to try

1401
01:12:35,867 --> 01:12:38,587
Speaker 20: and help get along that journey and make the next

1402
01:12:38,627 --> 01:12:41,987
Speaker 20: World Cup is a big driving force for me. I'm

1403
01:12:42,027 --> 01:12:44,507
Speaker 20: still ambitious as an individual and to be a part

1404
01:12:44,547 --> 01:12:46,907
Speaker 20: of that squad and the talent that's that's in it now,

1405
01:12:47,547 --> 01:12:48,347
Speaker 20: it's brilliant.

1406
01:12:48,427 --> 01:12:48,627
Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And just to finish, what's it like being back in Auckland,

1408
01:12:50,747 --> 01:12:52,827
Speaker 2: because obviously you came to New Zealand as a young boy,

1409
01:12:52,907 --> 01:12:56,027
Speaker 2: you had, you know, does some high school education there

1410
01:12:56,067 --> 01:12:58,227
Speaker 2: and then and then then left again. What's it like

1411
01:12:58,267 --> 01:12:59,027
Speaker 2: being back in Auckland.

1412
01:12:59,747 --> 01:13:02,387
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's quite nostalgic, you know, obviously driving around the

1413
01:13:02,427 --> 01:13:06,267
Speaker 20: area again, just reminiscing on times gone by and bump

1414
01:13:06,507 --> 01:13:08,867
Speaker 20: into people that haven't seen for years. Because I haven't

1415
01:13:08,907 --> 01:13:12,867
Speaker 20: lived in Auckland for seventeen early eighteen years, so and

1416
01:13:13,067 --> 01:13:15,507
Speaker 20: that time's flown by. But you know, you come across

1417
01:13:15,547 --> 01:13:18,387
Speaker 20: old friends and it's been quite nice catching up and

1418
01:13:18,467 --> 01:13:21,467
Speaker 20: reminiscent with them and people that haven't seen for a

1419
01:13:21,547 --> 01:13:23,427
Speaker 20: very long time. So yeah, no, it's been good. And

1420
01:13:23,507 --> 01:13:26,947
Speaker 20: obviously selling into a new club environment it does help

1421
01:13:27,027 --> 01:13:30,067
Speaker 20: when you have sort of a bit of familiarity around you.

1422
01:13:30,307 --> 01:13:31,227
Speaker 20: So no, it's been great.

1423
01:13:31,827 --> 01:13:33,707
Speaker 2: Well, we can't wait for the derby this afternoon. Tommy.

1424
01:13:33,747 --> 01:13:35,987
Speaker 2: All the best to you in Auckland FC for what

1425
01:13:36,107 --> 01:13:38,107
Speaker 2: you being a storic occasion in front of a big crowd.

1426
01:13:38,227 --> 01:13:40,627
Speaker 2: Really appreciate you taking the time for a jet. Thanks Piney,

1427
01:13:40,787 --> 01:13:42,667
Speaker 2: take care you take care to Tommy, see you down

1428
01:13:42,667 --> 01:13:46,387
Speaker 2: at the ground. Tommy Smith, Auckland FC vice captain ahead

1429
01:13:46,387 --> 01:13:48,867
Speaker 2: of the derby today. On the subject of that word

1430
01:13:48,907 --> 01:13:51,667
Speaker 2: good afternoon, Jason says Dennis. We've been hearing all week

1431
01:13:51,707 --> 01:13:53,747
Speaker 2: about the Phoenix for the Auckland match today and it

1432
01:13:53,987 --> 01:13:57,267
Speaker 2: incestantly being referred to as a local derby match. Every

1433
01:13:57,347 --> 01:13:59,667
Speaker 2: time the Pom and this family he isn't being referred

1434
01:13:59,667 --> 01:14:02,507
Speaker 2: to as a derby match, she exclaims, it's not a

1435
01:14:02,587 --> 01:14:05,587
Speaker 2: local derby match. The teams are four hundred miles apart

1436
01:14:06,387 --> 01:14:08,307
Speaker 2: on this rare occasion. I have to agree with her.

1437
01:14:09,667 --> 01:14:12,107
Speaker 2: That's brave, Dennis, and hope that this misconception about the

1438
01:14:12,147 --> 01:14:14,387
Speaker 2: game being a derby match will die a natural death

1439
01:14:14,547 --> 01:14:18,747
Speaker 2: when Auckland lose today. For information, the following ancient meaning

1440
01:14:18,867 --> 01:14:21,507
Speaker 2: is the actual definition of a derby match, and it says,

1441
01:14:21,667 --> 01:14:24,787
Speaker 2: unlike a sporting rivalry, which can be based on league

1442
01:14:24,827 --> 01:14:28,227
Speaker 2: position or history between two teams, a derby is a

1443
01:14:28,307 --> 01:14:32,547
Speaker 2: match between two local clubs that are geographically close to

1444
01:14:32,627 --> 01:14:35,067
Speaker 2: each other, for example, teams that are from the same

1445
01:14:35,187 --> 01:14:38,827
Speaker 2: city or from the same part of the country. Dennis,

1446
01:14:38,867 --> 01:14:39,547
Speaker 2: I take your point.

1447
01:14:39,867 --> 01:14:41,587
Speaker 21: I do I do?

1448
01:14:42,347 --> 01:14:46,747
Speaker 2: I guess in terms of geographical proximity, it's certainly more

1449
01:14:46,787 --> 01:14:49,187
Speaker 2: of a derby than the distance derby that has been

1450
01:14:49,347 --> 01:14:52,707
Speaker 2: sort of fabricated over the last seventeen years. When it

1451
01:14:52,867 --> 01:14:56,267
Speaker 2: was actually the furthest the Phoenix could travel to play Perth,

1452
01:14:56,667 --> 01:14:58,907
Speaker 2: that was called the derby. I take your point, though,

1453
01:14:59,027 --> 01:15:01,907
Speaker 2: thanks for the email very much. Indeed, seventeen to two,

1454
01:15:02,227 --> 01:15:03,747
Speaker 2: we'll take a bay come back get you across the

1455
01:15:03,827 --> 01:15:05,187
Speaker 2: Tasman Adam Peacock After.

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Speaker 1: This questions off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason Tyne

1457
01:15:10,147 --> 01:15:13,667
Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunnerholmes, new Zealand's most trusted home builder.

1458
01:15:16,187 --> 01:15:18,507
Speaker 2: Let's get you across the Taskman. Adam Peacock, our regular

1459
01:15:18,547 --> 01:15:22,107
Speaker 2: Australian correspondent, is with us a huge week coming for

1460
01:15:22,787 --> 01:15:24,947
Speaker 2: horse racing, the Melbourne Cup Cannibal. I think you might

1461
01:15:24,987 --> 01:15:26,067
Speaker 2: already be in Melbourne, are you?

1462
01:15:27,227 --> 01:15:30,227
Speaker 14: Yeah, just about to head to Swimmington actually this afternoon,

1463
01:15:30,347 --> 01:15:35,707
Speaker 14: so doing the international coverage of the Melbourne Cup Carnival.

1464
01:15:35,827 --> 01:15:37,307
Speaker 14: I don't think you'll see in New Zealand, but I

1465
01:15:37,347 --> 01:15:39,667
Speaker 14: had to look at a list of places it's going

1466
01:15:39,707 --> 01:15:42,027
Speaker 14: to and the last one on the list was Mongolia.

1467
01:15:42,227 --> 01:15:44,387
Speaker 14: So I think it's the first time I'm going to

1468
01:15:44,427 --> 01:15:46,867
Speaker 14: be on Mongolian television and I'm pretty excited about it.

1469
01:15:47,227 --> 01:15:50,027
Speaker 2: I would be too. You could be massive in Mongolia.

1470
01:15:50,107 --> 01:15:52,707
Speaker 2: We look forward to a whole new fan base being

1471
01:15:52,747 --> 01:15:56,507
Speaker 2: built in Mongolia. For you, how big a week is

1472
01:15:56,947 --> 01:15:58,587
Speaker 2: a silly question. I know, we know it's the race

1473
01:15:58,627 --> 01:16:01,027
Speaker 2: that stops two nations on Tuesday, but how big a

1474
01:16:01,147 --> 01:16:01,707
Speaker 2: week is this?

1475
01:16:02,747 --> 01:16:02,947
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1476
01:16:03,187 --> 01:16:05,387
Speaker 14: It's a great way for Melbourne what it has done

1477
01:16:06,347 --> 01:16:08,747
Speaker 14: twisted a bit in the last few years, like racing

1478
01:16:08,787 --> 01:16:11,747
Speaker 14: New South. While Peter Blandis who runs the NRL as well.

1479
01:16:12,187 --> 01:16:14,867
Speaker 14: They made a concerted effort to make it not all

1480
01:16:14,947 --> 01:16:18,467
Speaker 14: about the Spring racing Carnival in Melbourne. Obviously they brought

1481
01:16:18,507 --> 01:16:21,347
Speaker 14: it to the Everest. Today is also the ten million

1482
01:16:21,627 --> 01:16:26,027
Speaker 14: Golden Eagle in Western Sydney at Rose Hills, So there's

1483
01:16:26,067 --> 01:16:28,387
Speaker 14: a bit of competition now and it has diluted the

1484
01:16:28,827 --> 01:16:31,227
Speaker 14: you know, you don't get all the best jockeys, all

1485
01:16:31,307 --> 01:16:33,547
Speaker 14: the best horses of a certain age coming to the

1486
01:16:33,587 --> 01:16:35,547
Speaker 14: Cup Carnival. Now some of them are stay in Sydney.

1487
01:16:35,627 --> 01:16:39,307
Speaker 14: But still they get nearly three hundred thousand people through

1488
01:16:39,347 --> 01:16:43,147
Speaker 14: the gate over for Lace Day. It's pretty damn big.

1489
01:16:43,067 --> 01:16:47,667
Speaker 2: Still absolutely, and so the day itself, the first Tuesday

1490
01:16:47,707 --> 01:16:50,667
Speaker 2: in November, this coming Tuesday, how many will they get

1491
01:16:50,707 --> 01:16:51,347
Speaker 2: there that day?

1492
01:16:52,507 --> 01:16:54,107
Speaker 13: They'll probably get eighty five.

1493
01:16:55,507 --> 01:16:58,267
Speaker 14: Yeah, so it's a massive day. And I was walking

1494
01:16:58,307 --> 01:17:01,587
Speaker 14: around the place yesterday. Today it's obviously filled up to

1495
01:17:01,707 --> 01:17:03,947
Speaker 14: Derby Day, which is recognized as one of the best

1496
01:17:04,027 --> 01:17:06,707
Speaker 14: days racing in the world because all races a grew three,

1497
01:17:06,867 --> 01:17:10,547
Speaker 14: group two or Group one three, group one, the pinnacle

1498
01:17:10,547 --> 01:17:14,707
Speaker 14: are racing. But it's just it's this huge the hospitality

1499
01:17:14,747 --> 01:17:17,307
Speaker 14: that's gone off these people go and have a good

1500
01:17:17,347 --> 01:17:20,467
Speaker 14: time because down here in Victoria that the last few years,

1501
01:17:20,507 --> 01:17:22,867
Speaker 14: obviously with COVID, and I felt this last year that

1502
01:17:23,227 --> 01:17:24,867
Speaker 14: they were looking for an excuse to get out and

1503
01:17:24,907 --> 01:17:28,067
Speaker 14: start and enjoying themselves properly again. And they're doing that slowly.

1504
01:17:28,227 --> 01:17:33,467
Speaker 14: The city's were rejuvenating after COVID, but certainly an occasion

1505
01:17:33,587 --> 01:17:36,227
Speaker 14: like this brings out the best in their ability to

1506
01:17:36,267 --> 01:17:36,787
Speaker 14: have a good time.

1507
01:17:36,827 --> 01:17:38,867
Speaker 2: I think, all right, well, all the best for a

1508
01:17:38,987 --> 01:17:42,907
Speaker 2: great week ahead other matters around. Tell us about this

1509
01:17:43,827 --> 01:17:47,427
Speaker 2: young star of Australian sporn. And she is young, but

1510
01:17:47,507 --> 01:17:49,827
Speaker 2: she plays a bunch of different things, doesn't She cricket

1511
01:17:49,947 --> 01:17:53,227
Speaker 2: but a football asius football. Kiva Bray is.

1512
01:17:53,267 --> 01:17:55,107
Speaker 16: Her name, Yes, Keiva.

1513
01:17:55,267 --> 01:17:58,867
Speaker 14: She kind of burst onto the scene early last week

1514
01:17:59,467 --> 01:18:02,547
Speaker 14: with cricket when she stepped up and she's an all

1515
01:18:02,547 --> 01:18:04,707
Speaker 14: around her. She bowls a bit, she bats a bit,

1516
01:18:04,947 --> 01:18:07,587
Speaker 14: and she's fifteen, so she should be in year nine

1517
01:18:07,627 --> 01:18:10,187
Speaker 14: at school. She has three years of her high school

1518
01:18:10,267 --> 01:18:12,947
Speaker 14: education to go after this one, but at the moment

1519
01:18:13,027 --> 01:18:15,547
Speaker 14: she's taken a term off. She's living down in Sydney

1520
01:18:15,587 --> 01:18:17,867
Speaker 14: playing for the Sydney Sixers, and she helped them win

1521
01:18:17,947 --> 01:18:19,867
Speaker 14: a game at Adelaide last I think it was last

1522
01:18:19,867 --> 01:18:25,227
Speaker 14: Sunday actually, and beautiful slow ball, like just just look

1523
01:18:25,347 --> 01:18:27,427
Speaker 14: like she belongs straight away, crack the winning run with

1524
01:18:27,467 --> 01:18:30,547
Speaker 14: other colo and I shot there. She's actually also the

1525
01:18:31,187 --> 01:18:35,867
Speaker 14: under seventeen Australian goalkeeper in football for the June I

1526
01:18:35,907 --> 01:18:39,347
Speaker 14: think they're called the Junior Matildas the young Matilda's. But yeah,

1527
01:18:39,427 --> 01:18:41,987
Speaker 14: so she's got a choice to make and now everyone's

1528
01:18:41,987 --> 01:18:43,947
Speaker 14: asking when she's going to make that choice. Look, as

1529
01:18:43,947 --> 01:18:46,467
Speaker 14: a goalkeeper, you know, Piney, as a goalkeeper, you could

1530
01:18:46,467 --> 01:18:48,587
Speaker 14: probably stave it off for a bit longer. You don't

1531
01:18:48,627 --> 01:18:51,067
Speaker 14: have to make the choice, not like she's al least Perry,

1532
01:18:51,147 --> 01:18:54,667
Speaker 14: where Perry juggled it for a bit but couldn't keep

1533
01:18:54,707 --> 01:18:58,227
Speaker 14: going eventually chose cricket. I think Keeva will have to

1534
01:18:58,467 --> 01:19:00,347
Speaker 14: maybe go, oh yeah, I'll do this for a while now,

1535
01:19:00,427 --> 01:19:02,067
Speaker 14: but she can always go back to the other one.

1536
01:19:02,827 --> 01:19:05,747
Speaker 14: But yeah, it's talented sportswoman and we're going to see

1537
01:19:05,787 --> 01:19:08,027
Speaker 14: more of this. There's more women and it's probably the

1538
01:19:08,027 --> 01:19:10,427
Speaker 14: same over there in New Zealand. More young girls are

1539
01:19:10,467 --> 01:19:12,467
Speaker 14: inspired by the fact that, oh actually I can make

1540
01:19:12,467 --> 01:19:15,347
Speaker 14: a living paint spot it's dawned on a lot of

1541
01:19:15,387 --> 01:19:18,067
Speaker 14: people that it's actually a possibility to throw your weight

1542
01:19:18,107 --> 01:19:20,387
Speaker 14: behind this and you get good outcomes and keep a

1543
01:19:20,427 --> 01:19:22,187
Speaker 14: brayers part of that new generation.

1544
01:19:22,547 --> 01:19:24,027
Speaker 2: Fifteen. Man, we're old, aren't we?

1545
01:19:24,227 --> 01:19:24,467
Speaker 6: I am?

1546
01:19:25,027 --> 01:19:29,107
Speaker 14: Yeah, Yeah, she's born. She's born. That means she was

1547
01:19:29,147 --> 01:19:32,067
Speaker 14: born in two thousand and five or two thousand and

1548
01:19:32,227 --> 01:19:33,107
Speaker 14: nine or two thousand and eight.

1549
01:19:33,347 --> 01:19:38,827
Speaker 2: Got oh, that is just it's crazy. Now, on another

1550
01:19:38,867 --> 01:19:41,587
Speaker 2: football related matter, A Football Australia this week came out

1551
01:19:41,627 --> 01:19:44,347
Speaker 2: with the next Steps and their plan to bring in

1552
01:19:44,427 --> 01:19:47,827
Speaker 2: a national second tier football competition. Can you give us

1553
01:19:47,827 --> 01:19:48,827
Speaker 2: the broad brush strokes of this.

1554
01:19:49,587 --> 01:19:53,147
Speaker 14: Yeah, they've gone the light version. They've gone from October

1555
01:19:53,227 --> 01:19:57,147
Speaker 14: to December. Will extend the MPL season, which is the

1556
01:19:57,467 --> 01:19:59,987
Speaker 14: I think it's called something similar over there, the level

1557
01:20:00,027 --> 01:20:03,427
Speaker 14: below the A League. So they're going to basically say, oh,

1558
01:20:03,547 --> 01:20:05,147
Speaker 14: to the clims that want to be in it, you

1559
01:20:05,267 --> 01:20:08,347
Speaker 14: can play like a CHAM League style, so group stage

1560
01:20:08,627 --> 01:20:11,027
Speaker 14: all the way through to a final in December. Look,

1561
01:20:11,747 --> 01:20:13,667
Speaker 14: everyone's blowing up over the year about the tackle. Well

1562
01:20:13,867 --> 01:20:15,667
Speaker 14: they've got light. This is not what we wanted. This,

1563
01:20:15,787 --> 01:20:17,787
Speaker 14: that and the other. Well, these clubs are actually sat

1564
01:20:17,827 --> 01:20:20,067
Speaker 14: in the room with Football Australia and workout this is

1565
01:20:20,107 --> 01:20:23,467
Speaker 14: what they can afford. At the moment, Football Australia really

1566
01:20:23,627 --> 01:20:27,427
Speaker 14: really reluctant to go his twenty million bucks, go run

1567
01:20:27,507 --> 01:20:30,387
Speaker 14: a competition, do your best. Will help you along the way.

1568
01:20:30,627 --> 01:20:33,387
Speaker 14: Football Australia don't want to put a diamond. They'll help

1569
01:20:33,507 --> 01:20:36,267
Speaker 14: run it and they'll be the facilitator. But it's up

1570
01:20:36,307 --> 01:20:40,347
Speaker 14: to the clubs to like kind of turbo charge down

1571
01:20:40,547 --> 01:20:43,587
Speaker 14: finances and all that. It's going to be difficult. So look,

1572
01:20:44,507 --> 01:20:46,227
Speaker 14: as I said, everyone's blind up about the fact that

1573
01:20:46,307 --> 01:20:49,107
Speaker 14: it's a water down version. I don't mind it. It's

1574
01:20:49,147 --> 01:20:52,587
Speaker 14: better than nothing. It's not the ideal desired outcome yet,

1575
01:20:52,667 --> 01:20:54,867
Speaker 14: but is it the first step towards something bigger? Yes,

1576
01:20:54,987 --> 01:20:57,747
Speaker 14: I think so it goes well. So everyone just needs

1577
01:20:57,787 --> 01:20:59,627
Speaker 14: to maybe take a chill pill, which is not always

1578
01:20:59,667 --> 01:21:02,027
Speaker 14: the case of football finers, you know, and let it

1579
01:21:02,107 --> 01:21:02,507
Speaker 14: play out.

1580
01:21:02,907 --> 01:21:04,987
Speaker 2: Was a Darby over here today. I'm not sure if

1581
01:21:05,027 --> 01:21:05,707
Speaker 2: you've picked up on that.

1582
01:21:06,427 --> 01:21:08,747
Speaker 14: No, no, no, So what times kick off on.

1583
01:21:08,867 --> 01:21:11,107
Speaker 2: The five o'clock New zeal On time. So three o'clock

1584
01:21:11,147 --> 01:21:12,987
Speaker 2: for you this afternoon, I know you'll be you'll be

1585
01:21:13,307 --> 01:21:17,067
Speaker 2: obviously deep into your into your work at Flemington, but

1586
01:21:17,147 --> 01:21:18,747
Speaker 2: now we're looking forward to it over here. But they

1587
01:21:18,827 --> 01:21:21,067
Speaker 2: think they may push twenty five thousand there this afternoon,

1588
01:21:21,667 --> 01:21:22,347
Speaker 2: as it should be.

1589
01:21:22,547 --> 01:21:25,547
Speaker 14: And you're about to get a taste of first hand.

1590
01:21:25,587 --> 01:21:26,987
Speaker 14: I don't know if you've been to a Sydney Derby

1591
01:21:27,067 --> 01:21:30,667
Speaker 14: or Melbourne Derby, but they're they're fantastic occasions and it

1592
01:21:31,347 --> 01:21:33,787
Speaker 14: kind of just yeah, makes you feel alive when you're

1593
01:21:33,827 --> 01:21:37,227
Speaker 14: at them. So mate, enjoy and hope any of your

1594
01:21:37,267 --> 01:21:40,147
Speaker 14: listeners that are going enjoy as well. And yeah, you'll

1595
01:21:40,147 --> 01:21:42,427
Speaker 14: want you want more of it. You want to you

1596
01:21:42,587 --> 01:21:44,267
Speaker 14: look straight up for the game, you look at it

1597
01:21:44,267 --> 01:21:46,267
Speaker 14: and go okay when they play them again. So yeah,

1598
01:21:46,467 --> 01:21:48,587
Speaker 14: there are awesome occasions. And that's the best thing about

1599
01:21:48,587 --> 01:21:50,227
Speaker 14: bringing in a new team is that you set up

1600
01:21:50,387 --> 01:21:51,707
Speaker 14: rivalry and this one will be a beauty.

1601
01:21:51,827 --> 01:21:53,747
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Thanks, make good to chat as always.

1602
01:21:53,827 --> 01:21:55,667
Speaker 2: Edam Peacock, have a big week, mate, have a good week.

1603
01:21:55,707 --> 01:21:59,347
Speaker 2: We'll chat again next Saturday. Adam Peacock our Australian correspondent

1604
01:21:59,427 --> 01:22:02,707
Speaker 2: around this time every Saturday afternoon seven to two new

1605
01:22:02,707 --> 01:22:04,747
Speaker 2: Stalk Zippy when.

1606
01:22:04,627 --> 01:22:09,467
Speaker 1: It's downs on the line you mate on eight weekend

1607
01:22:09,547 --> 01:22:11,587
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Pine, News.

1608
01:22:11,467 --> 01:22:15,587
Speaker 2: Talksb Afternoons flying four to two after our us at

1609
01:22:15,667 --> 01:22:18,307
Speaker 2: two and in Casha mist It catching you up on

1610
01:22:18,347 --> 01:22:20,067
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that may have escaped her attention.

1611
01:22:20,547 --> 01:22:25,027
Speaker 2: An extended chat with kayaker Alicia Hoskin reliving her double

1612
01:22:25,147 --> 01:22:28,707
Speaker 2: Olympic gold medal winning performances in Paris. She was part

1613
01:22:28,707 --> 01:22:31,267
Speaker 2: of the K four and the K two, both of

1614
01:22:31,347 --> 01:22:34,867
Speaker 2: which came home with gold medals. Alicia Hoskin after two.

1615
01:22:35,027 --> 01:22:37,587
Speaker 2: Also Rugby League tonight at Mount Smart which times just

1616
01:22:37,707 --> 01:22:42,227
Speaker 2: five past eight bit late, Oh not that late, like

1617
01:22:42,307 --> 01:22:44,827
Speaker 2: it's eleven o'clock at night, but five past eight. Kiwi's

1618
01:22:44,907 --> 01:22:48,507
Speaker 2: Tonga Mount Smart in the Rugby League Pacific Championship. We'll

1619
01:22:48,507 --> 01:22:51,147
Speaker 2: get you inside the Kiwis camp and Darren Baisley all

1620
01:22:51,187 --> 01:22:53,907
Speaker 2: Whites head coach. He'll be an interested spectator at the derby.

1621
01:22:54,227 --> 01:22:56,747
Speaker 2: He's going to pop in on his way to Sky Stadium.

1622
01:22:57,867 --> 01:23:02,027
Speaker 1: The only plays for the big names, the big issues,

1623
01:23:02,827 --> 01:23:07,707
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conface. It's all on

1624
01:23:07,867 --> 01:23:11,627
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vme on your home of Sport.

1625
01:23:12,107 --> 01:23:16,187
Speaker 2: News Talks had been two seven, Hello, this is Weekend

1626
01:23:16,227 --> 01:23:19,947
Speaker 2: Sport until three Tim Beverage. After that, All White's coach

1627
01:23:20,027 --> 01:23:23,547
Speaker 2: Darren Baisley is headed for the a Leg derby this afternoon,

1628
01:23:23,587 --> 01:23:25,947
Speaker 2: but says yeah, I'll pop in on the way so

1629
01:23:26,187 --> 01:23:28,347
Speaker 2: he'll have a chat to us before three. We'll get

1630
01:23:28,387 --> 01:23:30,187
Speaker 2: you inside the Kiwi's camp as well ahead of the

1631
01:23:30,547 --> 01:23:34,067
Speaker 2: Rugby League test against Tonga tonight. Steve Price, not that one,

1632
01:23:34,187 --> 01:23:37,427
Speaker 2: the other one, the assistant coach of the team is

1633
01:23:37,507 --> 01:23:40,867
Speaker 2: with us, and very shortly Alicia Hoskin going to relive

1634
01:23:40,947 --> 01:23:45,467
Speaker 2: her heroics in Paris. The elite paddler, Your cause and

1635
01:23:45,507 --> 01:23:48,107
Speaker 2: correspondence always welcome. O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1636
01:23:48,187 --> 01:23:50,347
Speaker 2: is our number. Nine two nine two is our text line.

1637
01:23:50,427 --> 01:23:53,267
Speaker 2: But as we approach eight pass two at a rapid

1638
01:23:53,387 --> 01:23:55,187
Speaker 2: rate of notes, it is time to get you across

1639
01:23:55,227 --> 01:23:56,987
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that you may have missed over

1640
01:23:57,067 --> 01:24:00,227
Speaker 2: the last little while, some of the things that have

1641
01:24:00,387 --> 01:24:03,747
Speaker 2: escaped your attention while you're doing other things. In case

1642
01:24:03,787 --> 01:24:05,467
Speaker 2: you missed it. As what we call it, we start

1643
01:24:06,027 --> 01:24:11,227
Speaker 2: stay site. Victor wembin Yama stuffing the stat sheet to

1644
01:24:11,307 --> 01:24:13,747
Speaker 2: help the Spurs to an NBA went over Utah with

1645
01:24:13,867 --> 01:24:14,587
Speaker 2: a locus.

1646
01:24:14,307 --> 01:24:20,147
Speaker 4: Steel dishing women pupfeck passing to Chris Paul how he

1647
01:24:20,267 --> 01:24:23,307
Speaker 4: puts it up three Cepete three.

1648
01:24:23,147 --> 01:24:26,587
Speaker 2: And fligo and staying in the States. In the NFL,

1649
01:24:26,907 --> 01:24:30,747
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers combined with his star wide receiver Davonte Adams

1650
01:24:31,187 --> 01:24:33,787
Speaker 2: to lead the Jets to a Thursday Night football went

1651
01:24:33,867 --> 01:24:35,187
Speaker 2: over the Texans.

1652
01:24:37,267 --> 01:24:38,067
Speaker 6: Extra pressure.

1653
01:24:38,667 --> 01:24:45,947
Speaker 22: Indeed, Jesus Man has Adams touched down Vonday Adams out

1654
01:24:46,027 --> 01:24:48,707
Speaker 22: of concussion protocol the end of.

1655
01:24:48,707 --> 01:24:51,707
Speaker 2: The ANZI A bit closer to home across the Tasman.

1656
01:24:52,267 --> 01:24:55,027
Speaker 2: A tough start to the season for the Wellington Phoenix

1657
01:24:55,227 --> 01:24:57,227
Speaker 2: women's side visted United, baking a.

1658
01:24:57,267 --> 01:25:01,267
Speaker 15: Fourth the cutback Locaso blocked its looping high hor a.

1659
01:25:01,347 --> 01:25:04,507
Speaker 4: Mix up between the defenders and it falls on the line.

1660
01:25:04,547 --> 01:25:09,347
Speaker 4: It's and eventually it is a goal. Hans word carnage

1661
01:25:09,507 --> 01:25:10,627
Speaker 4: in the Phoenix defense.

1662
01:25:11,187 --> 01:25:14,027
Speaker 2: A four to last last night to Western United. Meantime,

1663
01:25:14,107 --> 01:25:17,787
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson continues to outperformers Formula one rival.

1664
01:25:17,867 --> 01:25:21,267
Speaker 23: We're on board now with Liam Lawson. Lawson is ahead

1665
01:25:21,347 --> 01:25:24,627
Speaker 23: of Sergio Perez. Check your flaggers out. I don't think

1666
01:25:24,667 --> 01:25:25,747
Speaker 23: Sergio Paries has.

1667
01:25:25,667 --> 01:25:26,267
Speaker 4: Got to the line.

1668
01:25:26,387 --> 01:25:30,187
Speaker 23: Lawson goes ninth fastest push his hulker Burg outs Perez

1669
01:25:30,587 --> 01:25:31,827
Speaker 23: pets and he is out of.

1670
01:25:31,867 --> 01:25:35,427
Speaker 2: Qualifying, eventually qualifying eighth for the sprint race in Brazil,

1671
01:25:35,507 --> 01:25:39,107
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson and finally the Black Cats managing to snatch

1672
01:25:39,347 --> 01:25:41,667
Speaker 2: some late wickets to gain a bit of momentum going

1673
01:25:41,747 --> 01:25:44,387
Speaker 2: into day two of their Third Test against India New

1674
01:25:44,467 --> 01:25:48,667
Speaker 2: Zealand two thirty five India eighty six for four including

1675
01:25:48,787 --> 01:25:51,627
Speaker 2: Vera Couli, Hi.

1676
01:25:53,427 --> 01:25:57,987
Speaker 24: Shorry Director, he could be calling here, This could be

1677
01:25:58,067 --> 01:26:02,987
Speaker 24: a runout. Matt Henry was in in a flash, and

1678
01:26:03,187 --> 01:26:04,827
Speaker 24: this could be Cotton's football.

1679
01:26:06,467 --> 01:26:09,187
Speaker 1: From the track field and the court on your home

1680
01:26:09,227 --> 01:26:12,947
Speaker 1: of Sport weekends for it with Jason Vine talks in.

1681
01:26:12,987 --> 01:26:15,947
Speaker 2: B Yes, it was curtains for Coli. So India one

1682
01:26:16,027 --> 01:26:18,947
Speaker 2: hundred and forty nine behind with six first innings wickets

1683
01:26:18,947 --> 01:26:21,427
Speaker 2: in hand. Isn't it not to watch this Test with

1684
01:26:21,547 --> 01:26:24,307
Speaker 2: a state of total relaxation. I watched a bit of

1685
01:26:24,347 --> 01:26:26,667
Speaker 2: it last night and I was like, Disney doesn't really matter.

1686
01:26:27,027 --> 01:26:30,187
Speaker 2: We've already won the series. We've already beaten India in

1687
01:26:30,307 --> 01:26:35,347
Speaker 2: India in Paris. Back in August, elite paddler Alicia Hoskin

1688
01:26:35,507 --> 01:26:39,187
Speaker 2: joined a very exclusive club of kiwis to win multiple

1689
01:26:39,307 --> 01:26:41,987
Speaker 2: gold medals at the same Olympic Games.

1690
01:26:42,067 --> 01:26:44,947
Speaker 15: First this it is Germany at the moment who have

1691
01:26:45,187 --> 01:26:48,827
Speaker 15: their bow just in front from the New Zealanders, Carrington

1692
01:26:49,107 --> 01:26:51,547
Speaker 15: setting the rhythm and the pace for her teammates. And

1693
01:26:51,667 --> 01:26:55,267
Speaker 15: behind the bows and now back in front for New Zealand.

1694
01:26:55,427 --> 01:26:59,507
Speaker 15: It's Carrington lifting the rights, the black boat keeping its

1695
01:26:59,587 --> 01:27:01,067
Speaker 15: nose in front of Germany.

1696
01:27:01,547 --> 01:27:03,187
Speaker 4: They can see the finish line.

1697
01:27:03,667 --> 01:27:08,067
Speaker 15: It is gold for New Zealan And it's the women's

1698
01:27:08,187 --> 01:27:12,627
Speaker 15: K four to the four and the sixth golden moment

1699
01:27:12,987 --> 01:27:17,867
Speaker 15: for Dame Lisa. And then this they are six meters ahead.

1700
01:27:18,307 --> 01:27:21,947
Speaker 4: Oh, they're flying the Kiwi crew. There is no.

1701
01:27:22,187 --> 01:27:27,427
Speaker 15: Stopping Carrington and Hoskin. They are heading for the finish

1702
01:27:27,547 --> 01:27:32,307
Speaker 15: line and they are miles ahead of the opposition. Carrington

1703
01:27:32,667 --> 01:27:35,387
Speaker 15: and Hoskin a boat length and a half lead.

1704
01:27:35,787 --> 01:27:42,107
Speaker 4: New Zealand gold. Two golds in two days for the

1705
01:27:42,227 --> 01:27:44,467
Speaker 4: dynamic duo, and.

1706
01:27:44,587 --> 01:27:48,467
Speaker 15: The legacy of the goat in the boat just gets

1707
01:27:48,547 --> 01:27:49,547
Speaker 15: bigger by the race.

1708
01:27:49,787 --> 01:27:52,747
Speaker 2: Their gold and the K two five hundred alongside Dame

1709
01:27:52,827 --> 01:27:55,907
Speaker 2: Lisa Carrington, having also won the K four five hundred

1710
01:27:55,947 --> 01:27:59,547
Speaker 2: with Dame Lisa, Tara Vaughan and Olivia Brett the previous

1711
01:27:59,627 --> 01:28:04,147
Speaker 2: day Alicia oskin Is with us Celsia Just yeah, I

1712
01:28:04,227 --> 01:28:07,507
Speaker 2: hope you enjoyed listening to those calls for a couple

1713
01:28:07,547 --> 01:28:09,827
Speaker 2: of months now past. How do you reflect back on

1714
01:28:10,667 --> 01:28:11,707
Speaker 2: what happened in Paris?

1715
01:28:13,427 --> 01:28:17,027
Speaker 25: I mean, even just hearing you talk about those accomplishments,

1716
01:28:17,067 --> 01:28:19,227
Speaker 25: that still brings a big smile to my face.

1717
01:28:19,427 --> 01:28:21,187
Speaker 26: And I think it's still sinking in.

1718
01:28:21,307 --> 01:28:24,787
Speaker 25: I mean, like, what an absolute privilege to be able

1719
01:28:24,827 --> 01:28:27,467
Speaker 25: to compete with these girls and to be in a

1720
01:28:27,547 --> 01:28:32,267
Speaker 25: place like Paris doing it. Yeah, I have extremely fond

1721
01:28:32,347 --> 01:28:35,027
Speaker 25: memories and it has been nice even getting back on

1722
01:28:35,107 --> 01:28:37,947
Speaker 25: the water now, back doing what we'd love. It's just

1723
01:28:38,147 --> 01:28:41,787
Speaker 25: nice to be carrying that experience with us and yeah,

1724
01:28:41,827 --> 01:28:43,227
Speaker 25: we're still buzzing awesome.

1725
01:28:43,307 --> 01:28:45,867
Speaker 2: Can you take us back, Alicia, to the process behind

1726
01:28:46,027 --> 01:28:48,747
Speaker 2: you being paired with Dame Lisa Carrington and the K

1727
01:28:49,027 --> 01:28:53,107
Speaker 2: two that after Caitlin Regal retired following the last Olympic Games.

1728
01:28:54,227 --> 01:28:54,907
Speaker 8: Yeah, totally.

1729
01:28:54,987 --> 01:28:58,467
Speaker 25: I mean every combination, like every group of athletes that

1730
01:28:58,627 --> 01:29:01,427
Speaker 25: make up a boat, means the boat is completely new

1731
01:29:01,547 --> 01:29:05,627
Speaker 25: and completely different. So it has been really cool learning

1732
01:29:05,787 --> 01:29:08,627
Speaker 25: from the crews that have been before us, but then

1733
01:29:08,707 --> 01:29:12,187
Speaker 25: really balancing that with you've got to find your uniqueness

1734
01:29:12,307 --> 01:29:14,347
Speaker 25: within the boat or what you bring to the boat.

1735
01:29:15,107 --> 01:29:17,667
Speaker 25: So that's been a really cool journey of just learning

1736
01:29:17,867 --> 01:29:21,667
Speaker 25: how to work with Lisa, how we optimize our paddling,

1737
01:29:21,787 --> 01:29:24,427
Speaker 25: but then also how we work together off the water.

1738
01:29:25,627 --> 01:29:26,787
Speaker 26: In same with the K four.

1739
01:29:26,867 --> 01:29:29,067
Speaker 25: You know, there's been a few crews that have been

1740
01:29:29,147 --> 01:29:32,107
Speaker 25: before us that we've learned so much off and it's

1741
01:29:32,187 --> 01:29:36,347
Speaker 25: cool to see that legacy keep progressing. So we're trying

1742
01:29:36,387 --> 01:29:38,667
Speaker 25: to sort of accumulate all our knowledge so that the

1743
01:29:38,747 --> 01:29:41,747
Speaker 25: girls that can step in the boat after us have

1744
01:29:42,107 --> 01:29:44,627
Speaker 25: a little bit of taste of that, but can also

1745
01:29:45,067 --> 01:29:47,707
Speaker 25: bring their uniqueness to the boat. So it's been a

1746
01:29:47,747 --> 01:29:52,227
Speaker 25: really cool journey learning how that works in the physical

1747
01:29:52,307 --> 01:29:55,067
Speaker 25: sense but also off the water. So yeah, it's been

1748
01:29:55,387 --> 01:29:56,867
Speaker 25: it's been a lot of work, but it's been a

1749
01:29:57,147 --> 01:29:57,747
Speaker 25: cool journey.

1750
01:29:58,147 --> 01:29:59,627
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the K four as well,

1751
01:29:59,667 --> 01:30:01,667
Speaker 2: But in the K two with Dame Lisa or was

1752
01:30:01,747 --> 01:30:05,467
Speaker 2: it a connection that you were able to forge relatively quickly.

1753
01:30:06,867 --> 01:30:09,267
Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean I got the opportunity to peddle a

1754
01:30:09,347 --> 01:30:11,747
Speaker 25: K two with Lisa when I was about eighteen years old,

1755
01:30:12,227 --> 01:30:14,907
Speaker 25: and I couldn't stop my legs from shaking because I

1756
01:30:15,107 --> 01:30:18,907
Speaker 25: was so nervous, and it was just she was sort

1757
01:30:18,947 --> 01:30:21,987
Speaker 25: of my role model in the sport growing up, so

1758
01:30:22,227 --> 01:30:23,907
Speaker 25: to get in a boat with her, I could not

1759
01:30:24,227 --> 01:30:25,667
Speaker 25: stop the boat from shaking.

1760
01:30:27,027 --> 01:30:30,867
Speaker 26: So it's been a full circle moment actually racing in Paris.

1761
01:30:30,947 --> 01:30:35,947
Speaker 25: So yeah, we've developed that friendship for over many, many years,

1762
01:30:36,067 --> 01:30:39,627
Speaker 25: which means that when it comes to working together professionally,

1763
01:30:40,187 --> 01:30:41,987
Speaker 25: we do have a lot of trust and a lot

1764
01:30:42,027 --> 01:30:43,147
Speaker 25: of respect for each other.

1765
01:30:44,067 --> 01:30:45,947
Speaker 26: So I would say it's relatively.

1766
01:30:45,627 --> 01:30:47,467
Speaker 25: Quick and easy to be able to step into that

1767
01:30:47,787 --> 01:30:48,907
Speaker 25: working relationship.

1768
01:30:49,147 --> 01:30:51,107
Speaker 2: Did you feel any pressure though, at Lisha coming into

1769
01:30:51,147 --> 01:30:53,747
Speaker 2: the boat Dame Lisa and Caitlin Regel of course one

1770
01:30:53,827 --> 01:30:56,067
Speaker 2: gold in Tokyo. Did you feel any pressure?

1771
01:30:56,907 --> 01:30:57,467
Speaker 26: Definitely?

1772
01:30:57,627 --> 01:31:00,427
Speaker 25: I mean I think I just tried to frame it

1773
01:31:00,547 --> 01:31:02,427
Speaker 25: up as it means a lot to me, and it

1774
01:31:02,547 --> 01:31:04,627
Speaker 25: means a lot to our country, it means a lot

1775
01:31:04,707 --> 01:31:05,347
Speaker 25: to our sport.

1776
01:31:06,547 --> 01:31:08,227
Speaker 26: So I took that extremely.

1777
01:31:07,867 --> 01:31:10,787
Speaker 25: Seriously, and it is you know, you get these opportunities

1778
01:31:10,907 --> 01:31:14,627
Speaker 25: once every four years, which you work for so many

1779
01:31:14,707 --> 01:31:17,067
Speaker 25: hours on the water to even be able to turn

1780
01:31:17,187 --> 01:31:19,707
Speaker 25: up at the start line, let alone the pressure of

1781
01:31:19,867 --> 01:31:23,667
Speaker 25: executing a race and the sort of expectation that you

1782
01:31:23,787 --> 01:31:28,187
Speaker 25: can actually do quite well. So there was definitely pressure,

1783
01:31:28,267 --> 01:31:30,227
Speaker 25: But I think that's half the fun of it is

1784
01:31:30,347 --> 01:31:33,227
Speaker 25: learning how to actually use.

1785
01:31:33,147 --> 01:31:34,987
Speaker 26: The pressure to get more out of yourself.

1786
01:31:35,147 --> 01:31:38,427
Speaker 25: I think without the pressure, I probably wouldn't be the

1787
01:31:38,507 --> 01:31:41,267
Speaker 25: athlete or the person that I am today. So it's

1788
01:31:41,387 --> 01:31:43,467
Speaker 25: just sort of like learning how to frame it up.

1789
01:31:43,507 --> 01:31:44,787
Speaker 25: But there was definitely pressure.

1790
01:31:44,827 --> 01:31:45,707
Speaker 26: I mean, you're.

1791
01:31:45,587 --> 01:31:48,547
Speaker 25: Peddling with the goat of the sport and the most

1792
01:31:48,667 --> 01:31:51,947
Speaker 25: decorated Olympian of all time, Like it's hard for that to.

1793
01:31:52,027 --> 01:31:53,627
Speaker 26: Not cross your mind sometimes.

1794
01:31:53,747 --> 01:31:56,307
Speaker 25: So yeah, there's definitely pressure, but I think it helped

1795
01:31:56,387 --> 01:31:58,387
Speaker 25: me perform better.

1796
01:31:58,987 --> 01:32:02,147
Speaker 2: So in Paris, the K four final was the first one.

1797
01:32:02,627 --> 01:32:05,627
Speaker 2: You led it halfway, but then Germany got got in front.

1798
01:32:05,667 --> 01:32:08,187
Speaker 2: I can tell you're all nervous back you're watching, but

1799
01:32:08,387 --> 01:32:10,387
Speaker 2: you you got back in front and took the gold.

1800
01:32:10,467 --> 01:32:12,627
Speaker 2: Can you take us or talk us through the back

1801
01:32:12,747 --> 01:32:13,427
Speaker 2: end of that race?

1802
01:32:14,587 --> 01:32:14,987
Speaker 27: Totally?

1803
01:32:15,187 --> 01:32:18,627
Speaker 25: I mean, it's so exciting because the Germans and the

1804
01:32:18,747 --> 01:32:21,747
Speaker 25: Hungarians have such a strong legacy in the sport. They've

1805
01:32:21,827 --> 01:32:25,627
Speaker 25: won the Olympic Games between those two countries since it began,

1806
01:32:26,907 --> 01:32:29,427
Speaker 25: so to actually be in the fight with those crews

1807
01:32:29,587 --> 01:32:33,707
Speaker 25: is something incredibly special for New Zealand anyway, But we

1808
01:32:33,867 --> 01:32:36,947
Speaker 25: sort of we knew the different race strategies that different

1809
01:32:36,987 --> 01:32:41,187
Speaker 25: countries have, so we knew to stay calm as Germany

1810
01:32:41,347 --> 01:32:43,987
Speaker 25: came through in the middle section, So to us, it

1811
01:32:44,107 --> 01:32:47,467
Speaker 25: wasn't necessarily a surprise that they're right there or they're

1812
01:32:47,867 --> 01:32:50,547
Speaker 25: inching ahead of us. So as much as it kept

1813
01:32:50,587 --> 01:32:53,987
Speaker 25: everyone on their seats, we had to rarely trust our

1814
01:32:54,147 --> 01:32:58,307
Speaker 25: race plan, and we knew that we could if we

1815
01:32:58,427 --> 01:33:00,147
Speaker 25: trusted it, we could come through in that.

1816
01:33:00,267 --> 01:33:02,307
Speaker 26: Back end and that last two hundred meters.

1817
01:33:03,947 --> 01:33:06,027
Speaker 25: So yeah, I sort of we hit the two hundred

1818
01:33:06,067 --> 01:33:09,507
Speaker 25: meters to go and I just saw the like intensity

1819
01:33:09,547 --> 01:33:10,547
Speaker 25: in Lisa's body and I.

1820
01:33:10,627 --> 01:33:11,667
Speaker 26: Was like, all right, we're going.

1821
01:33:12,187 --> 01:33:14,867
Speaker 25: We're all in here, and so all the girls it

1822
01:33:15,027 --> 01:33:17,507
Speaker 25: was sort of like all of our paddles hitting the

1823
01:33:17,587 --> 01:33:19,987
Speaker 25: water at the same time, and we just had this

1824
01:33:20,187 --> 01:33:23,787
Speaker 25: really cool momentum through to the finish line, which as

1825
01:33:23,827 --> 01:33:27,307
Speaker 25: a paddler is sort of the feeling you're always searching for,

1826
01:33:27,427 --> 01:33:30,307
Speaker 25: and it's sort of the it's cooler than the gold medal,

1827
01:33:30,387 --> 01:33:33,587
Speaker 25: that feeling of like coming through the back end of

1828
01:33:33,627 --> 01:33:33,987
Speaker 25: a race.

1829
01:33:34,107 --> 01:33:36,387
Speaker 26: So yeah, that's a cool memory for all of us

1830
01:33:36,427 --> 01:33:37,227
Speaker 26: to bet I.

1831
01:33:37,347 --> 01:33:40,587
Speaker 2: Bet I remember chatting to Tara and Olivia afterwards. Actually

1832
01:33:40,627 --> 01:33:43,147
Speaker 2: they were so delighted and rightly So can you talk

1833
01:33:43,147 --> 01:33:46,947
Speaker 2: about how you forged such an effect of K four combination?

1834
01:33:48,187 --> 01:33:51,907
Speaker 25: Definitely, I mean every girl brings sort of that unique

1835
01:33:51,987 --> 01:33:56,147
Speaker 25: quality to the boat. So, like someone like Olivia is

1836
01:33:56,147 --> 01:34:00,987
Speaker 25: an extremely powerful athlete, so in seat three, she's sort

1837
01:34:01,027 --> 01:34:04,667
Speaker 25: of acting as this really big engine, especially off the

1838
01:34:04,907 --> 01:34:08,387
Speaker 25: start line. She has really core ability to really help

1839
01:34:08,507 --> 01:34:11,987
Speaker 25: accelerate the boat. So that's sort of like a big

1840
01:34:12,107 --> 01:34:15,267
Speaker 25: part of her role within the K four. And then

1841
01:34:15,427 --> 01:34:19,507
Speaker 25: Tira is extremely consistent, like race on race on race.

1842
01:34:19,387 --> 01:34:21,387
Speaker 26: Will do the exact same thing every race.

1843
01:34:21,467 --> 01:34:25,507
Speaker 25: So it's an extremely reliable person to have in the

1844
01:34:25,547 --> 01:34:29,267
Speaker 25: back of the boat because you've really got to especially

1845
01:34:29,307 --> 01:34:30,747
Speaker 25: in the back of the boat.

1846
01:34:30,827 --> 01:34:31,747
Speaker 26: You've got all the.

1847
01:34:31,827 --> 01:34:35,827
Speaker 25: Countries around you. There's paddles everywhere, there's water flying everywhere.

1848
01:34:36,267 --> 01:34:39,267
Speaker 25: So the more that you can be really in the

1849
01:34:39,387 --> 01:34:42,267
Speaker 25: rhythm of your own boat is really important asset at

1850
01:34:42,267 --> 01:34:44,067
Speaker 25: the back of the boat, So that's something that she.

1851
01:34:44,227 --> 01:34:44,987
Speaker 26: Does really well.

1852
01:34:46,147 --> 01:34:49,747
Speaker 25: So yeah, everyone sort of brings their unique quality to

1853
01:34:49,867 --> 01:34:52,267
Speaker 25: the boat, and that's how we make up the order

1854
01:34:52,347 --> 01:34:55,667
Speaker 25: that we sit in or how to get the best

1855
01:34:55,747 --> 01:34:57,987
Speaker 25: out of each other is by focusing on those things.

1856
01:34:58,107 --> 01:35:00,187
Speaker 26: So yeah, everyone has a unique role.

1857
01:35:00,707 --> 01:35:03,027
Speaker 2: So what's your role then in the two seat in

1858
01:35:03,107 --> 01:35:03,627
Speaker 2: the K four.

1859
01:35:04,827 --> 01:35:08,547
Speaker 25: Yeah, I guess something yeah, I can do is mimit

1860
01:35:08,667 --> 01:35:12,067
Speaker 25: Lisa really well. So it means that the rhythm that

1861
01:35:12,227 --> 01:35:15,467
Speaker 25: Lisa is setting, I can help connect the back of

1862
01:35:15,547 --> 01:35:17,827
Speaker 25: the boat with the front of the boat, so they're

1863
01:35:17,867 --> 01:35:22,907
Speaker 25: sort of, yeah, the rhythm of the boat the sort

1864
01:35:22,947 --> 01:35:25,187
Speaker 25: of we call it the stroke rate, so how fast

1865
01:35:25,227 --> 01:35:26,667
Speaker 25: our pedals are going through the water.

1866
01:35:27,347 --> 01:35:30,387
Speaker 26: That sort of my responsibility is to connect.

1867
01:35:30,147 --> 01:35:33,827
Speaker 25: Lisa with the girls in the back so that we're

1868
01:35:33,867 --> 01:35:36,187
Speaker 25: all on the same page, we're all doing the same thing.

1869
01:35:37,347 --> 01:35:39,787
Speaker 25: And I also do a lot of the calls, so

1870
01:35:40,427 --> 01:35:42,547
Speaker 25: someone in the middle has to do the calling so

1871
01:35:42,667 --> 01:35:44,707
Speaker 25: that the front person can hear them and the back

1872
01:35:44,787 --> 01:35:47,907
Speaker 25: person can hear them. So a lot of my responsibility

1873
01:35:47,987 --> 01:35:53,387
Speaker 25: is also within the communication. So yeah, lots of different things.

1874
01:35:53,307 --> 01:35:54,107
Speaker 26: Make up my role.

1875
01:35:54,307 --> 01:35:57,107
Speaker 2: Brilliant. So in the lead up to powis, then how

1876
01:35:57,187 --> 01:35:59,507
Speaker 2: did you divide your training time between the K two

1877
01:36:00,187 --> 01:36:02,747
Speaker 2: and the K four, but also giving Dame Lisa time

1878
01:36:03,267 --> 01:36:05,747
Speaker 2: in the K one? Did that need some some serious

1879
01:36:05,827 --> 01:36:07,627
Speaker 2: planning totally.

1880
01:36:07,707 --> 01:36:10,707
Speaker 25: I mean, that's why it was so important for our

1881
01:36:10,827 --> 01:36:13,987
Speaker 25: whole team to be part of all the races and

1882
01:36:14,147 --> 01:36:17,467
Speaker 25: all the boats, because it really was a team commitment

1883
01:36:17,587 --> 01:36:19,787
Speaker 25: to take on all three races.

1884
01:36:21,747 --> 01:36:25,227
Speaker 26: So the K four is definitely the most complex.

1885
01:36:24,827 --> 01:36:28,307
Speaker 25: Race and it's definitely the hardest one to get that

1886
01:36:28,427 --> 01:36:31,387
Speaker 25: gold medal in, so we invested a huge amount of

1887
01:36:31,467 --> 01:36:34,707
Speaker 25: time into that because it requires four girls to be

1888
01:36:34,867 --> 01:36:37,387
Speaker 25: on the same page doing exactly the same thing at

1889
01:36:37,427 --> 01:36:40,547
Speaker 25: the same time, so it's a really hard race to win,

1890
01:36:40,707 --> 01:36:43,827
Speaker 25: so we invested a lot of time into that, but

1891
01:36:44,027 --> 01:36:46,467
Speaker 25: also trusting that when we are in the K four,

1892
01:36:46,707 --> 01:36:49,587
Speaker 25: I am sitting right behind Lisa, so I'm still training

1893
01:36:49,707 --> 01:36:53,387
Speaker 25: the K two at the same time, and then when

1894
01:36:53,467 --> 01:36:56,067
Speaker 25: we go out in a K one, we're training that

1895
01:36:56,427 --> 01:37:00,347
Speaker 25: engine of physicality to be able to do those races.

1896
01:37:00,427 --> 01:37:04,307
Speaker 25: So it's sort of just continually finding the link between

1897
01:37:04,387 --> 01:37:07,827
Speaker 25: all the races as much we can so that all

1898
01:37:07,907 --> 01:37:11,027
Speaker 25: of them are carrying this momentum into the Games. But

1899
01:37:11,107 --> 01:37:14,227
Speaker 25: it is a tricky thing and it's not easy to

1900
01:37:14,307 --> 01:37:17,067
Speaker 25: be able to feel like all boats can compete at

1901
01:37:17,107 --> 01:37:19,947
Speaker 25: that standard, So it's something we had a lot of

1902
01:37:19,987 --> 01:37:20,987
Speaker 25: help with so.

1903
01:37:21,067 --> 01:37:23,267
Speaker 2: The K four gold medals locked away. The next day,

1904
01:37:23,547 --> 01:37:26,267
Speaker 2: it's the K two final with yourself and Dame Lisa.

1905
01:37:26,307 --> 01:37:29,867
Speaker 2: By contrast to the K four finally absolutely dominated the

1906
01:37:30,027 --> 01:37:32,147
Speaker 2: K two more than a boat lean the head of

1907
01:37:32,147 --> 01:37:33,987
Speaker 2: the rest of the field. I don't think you were

1908
01:37:34,027 --> 01:37:36,467
Speaker 2: troubled at all. We were worried it all back here.

1909
01:37:36,787 --> 01:37:38,747
Speaker 2: Did you always feel as though you were in control

1910
01:37:38,787 --> 01:37:39,307
Speaker 2: of that race?

1911
01:37:40,147 --> 01:37:42,827
Speaker 25: It's really interesting because so many people have said that,

1912
01:37:43,067 --> 01:37:47,787
Speaker 25: But what like crazy is the side wind was coming through.

1913
01:37:47,947 --> 01:37:51,267
Speaker 26: So the wind was coming through and bouncing off the

1914
01:37:51,347 --> 01:37:51,947
Speaker 26: grand stand.

1915
01:37:52,027 --> 01:37:54,067
Speaker 25: So the last one hundred meters of the race was

1916
01:37:54,267 --> 01:37:57,467
Speaker 25: really choppy, and a lot of the girls are wobbling

1917
01:37:57,587 --> 01:38:00,107
Speaker 25: around and it's really hard to keep in sync with

1918
01:38:00,227 --> 01:38:03,387
Speaker 25: your teammate. And I remember thinking, we've come this far,

1919
01:38:03,547 --> 01:38:06,747
Speaker 25: don't want to fall in. So it's so focused and

1920
01:38:06,907 --> 01:38:10,227
Speaker 25: I had no energy going to where the other crews were.

1921
01:38:10,387 --> 01:38:13,907
Speaker 26: I was just so focused on Lisa staying in sync

1922
01:38:13,987 --> 01:38:16,107
Speaker 26: with her, and so I.

1923
01:38:16,187 --> 01:38:19,507
Speaker 25: Didn't really realize what we've done until we crossed the

1924
01:38:19,587 --> 01:38:20,227
Speaker 25: finish line.

1925
01:38:21,347 --> 01:38:23,787
Speaker 26: But yeah, at that point, it was just incredible.

1926
01:38:24,227 --> 01:38:26,267
Speaker 25: It was such a cool race to be a part

1927
01:38:26,347 --> 01:38:30,027
Speaker 25: of and to have that many girls fighting behind us

1928
01:38:30,067 --> 01:38:34,427
Speaker 25: and having two girls get the third equal that really

1929
01:38:34,547 --> 01:38:37,427
Speaker 25: happens in kayaking, so it's awesome to see the quality

1930
01:38:37,507 --> 01:38:38,387
Speaker 25: of the field as well.

1931
01:38:38,987 --> 01:38:41,667
Speaker 2: Now I don't expect you to reveal the content of

1932
01:38:41,707 --> 01:38:45,067
Speaker 2: any discussions you've had with Dame Lisa about her continuation

1933
01:38:45,347 --> 01:38:48,627
Speaker 2: or not, but do you now kind of have to

1934
01:38:48,747 --> 01:38:51,027
Speaker 2: wait for her to make a decision about whether she

1935
01:38:51,147 --> 01:38:54,867
Speaker 2: will go around again for another Olympic cycle, because regardless,

1936
01:38:54,907 --> 01:38:57,787
Speaker 2: I presume you're targeting the next Olympic Games.

1937
01:38:58,667 --> 01:39:02,187
Speaker 25: Yes, so pretty much like my goal isn't really dependent

1938
01:39:02,467 --> 01:39:05,347
Speaker 25: on anyone or anything. I as soon as I went

1939
01:39:05,387 --> 01:39:07,867
Speaker 25: on breakutely missed paddling and I.

1940
01:39:07,947 --> 01:39:11,467
Speaker 26: Missed the girls, so I knew that I just wanted

1941
01:39:11,507 --> 01:39:12,587
Speaker 26: to get back on the water.

1942
01:39:13,707 --> 01:39:18,187
Speaker 25: So yeah, that's happening irrelevant to whatever our context is

1943
01:39:18,267 --> 01:39:21,307
Speaker 25: going forward. So yeah, that's something I love to do.

1944
01:39:21,587 --> 01:39:24,827
Speaker 25: But it's been awesome because it's not like our team

1945
01:39:24,907 --> 01:39:29,107
Speaker 25: has made a commitment to keep working together. Because we

1946
01:39:29,267 --> 01:39:33,627
Speaker 25: have these experiences and this knowledge that we've learned before

1947
01:39:33,707 --> 01:39:36,467
Speaker 25: the Paris Olympics, We're not just going to throw that

1948
01:39:36,587 --> 01:39:40,107
Speaker 25: away and walk away or anything. So we're rarely trying

1949
01:39:40,227 --> 01:39:44,267
Speaker 25: to spend hours off the water debriefing and planning and

1950
01:39:44,987 --> 01:39:47,867
Speaker 25: how we're K four paddles because we have only done

1951
01:39:47,907 --> 01:39:50,427
Speaker 25: it at once and a lot of other countries have

1952
01:39:50,547 --> 01:39:53,267
Speaker 25: done it a lot of times. So we're still really

1953
01:39:53,427 --> 01:39:58,307
Speaker 25: working hard to try and set up what our program

1954
01:39:58,467 --> 01:40:00,907
Speaker 25: looks like, how we move forward together, how we can

1955
01:40:00,987 --> 01:40:04,867
Speaker 25: make the next one more knowledgeable or fastest. So like

1956
01:40:05,067 --> 01:40:07,947
Speaker 25: it's we're spending a lot time doing the debriefing and

1957
01:40:08,027 --> 01:40:10,307
Speaker 25: the planning, which has been really exciting.

1958
01:40:10,947 --> 01:40:14,067
Speaker 2: Have you or would you ever race K one?

1959
01:40:16,587 --> 01:40:18,147
Speaker 26: I think we get asked that all the.

1960
01:40:18,187 --> 01:40:21,267
Speaker 25: Time, but I mean, I'm so passionate about the team,

1961
01:40:21,427 --> 01:40:24,147
Speaker 25: and I'm so passionate about K four racing and K

1962
01:40:24,307 --> 01:40:27,987
Speaker 25: two rating that it's not necessarily something that's on the top.

1963
01:40:27,827 --> 01:40:28,387
Speaker 26: Of my mind.

1964
01:40:28,507 --> 01:40:32,707
Speaker 25: But I'm really invested in our team, so that's definitely

1965
01:40:32,747 --> 01:40:33,987
Speaker 25: where my priority is.

1966
01:40:34,307 --> 01:40:38,627
Speaker 2: All Right, you've had heart surgery when you were seventeen

1967
01:40:38,747 --> 01:40:41,187
Speaker 2: years old. Did you ever think you might not be

1968
01:40:41,267 --> 01:40:43,547
Speaker 2: able to keep paddling at an elite level?

1969
01:40:44,387 --> 01:40:44,947
Speaker 26: Definitely.

1970
01:40:45,187 --> 01:40:48,947
Speaker 25: I mean if my oblation wasn't successful, then there would

1971
01:40:48,947 --> 01:40:51,347
Speaker 25: have been no career in high performance sport for me.

1972
01:40:51,587 --> 01:40:55,667
Speaker 25: So there was definitely a time there where I thought

1973
01:40:55,747 --> 01:41:00,067
Speaker 25: that maybe I couldn't exercise to that level again even

1974
01:41:00,107 --> 01:41:03,907
Speaker 25: then just move my body to that level. But something

1975
01:41:03,987 --> 01:41:07,507
Speaker 25: that it did give me was this sort of perspective

1976
01:41:07,707 --> 01:41:12,107
Speaker 25: which was, if I can't do the sport, who am I?

1977
01:41:12,467 --> 01:41:12,907
Speaker 6: For one?

1978
01:41:14,907 --> 01:41:17,387
Speaker 26: But then also what is it that I miss so much?

1979
01:41:17,747 --> 01:41:20,907
Speaker 25: I miss the community, I miss being out there with

1980
01:41:20,987 --> 01:41:23,587
Speaker 25: the girls, I miss the challenge of it.

1981
01:41:23,747 --> 01:41:26,707
Speaker 26: So it really helped me find why I wanted to

1982
01:41:26,827 --> 01:41:28,027
Speaker 26: do this rather than.

1983
01:41:28,387 --> 01:41:31,347
Speaker 25: I just want to win the Olympics. It became so

1984
01:41:31,507 --> 01:41:35,587
Speaker 25: much more than that. So yeah, when I did get

1985
01:41:35,667 --> 01:41:38,387
Speaker 25: to come back to paddling, I think it really helped

1986
01:41:38,467 --> 01:41:40,707
Speaker 25: me have it in a bit more of a perspective.

1987
01:41:40,907 --> 01:41:43,787
Speaker 25: And what a privilege it is that my body can

1988
01:41:43,907 --> 01:41:48,427
Speaker 25: move this way and can actually train three times a day, And.

1989
01:41:48,507 --> 01:41:51,187
Speaker 26: So I feel like I really haven't taken that for granted.

1990
01:41:51,387 --> 01:41:53,467
Speaker 26: So I'm really really grateful.

1991
01:41:53,747 --> 01:41:56,547
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing and sight what a great outlook as well.

1992
01:41:56,667 --> 01:41:59,307
Speaker 2: So where are your gold medals? Where do you keep them?

1993
01:41:59,947 --> 01:42:04,547
Speaker 25: They're actually just here, They're on my desk. They come

1994
01:42:04,627 --> 01:42:08,507
Speaker 25: to my school, visits with me and sort of they're

1995
01:42:08,547 --> 01:42:09,587
Speaker 25: still doing the rounds.

1996
01:42:09,867 --> 01:42:14,107
Speaker 27: I think about maybe two thousand people might have either

1997
01:42:14,227 --> 01:42:17,547
Speaker 27: taken booktures with them or held them, so they're a

1998
01:42:17,587 --> 01:42:20,747
Speaker 27: little bit scratched up, but that's how I'd prefer it anyway.

1999
01:42:20,947 --> 01:42:23,747
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they're not supposed to live behind glass, are they,

2000
01:42:24,107 --> 01:42:25,987
Speaker 2: or in a drawer somewhere. They're supposed to be taken

2001
01:42:26,027 --> 01:42:29,267
Speaker 2: out and shine around and used to excite people and

2002
01:42:29,387 --> 01:42:34,107
Speaker 2: motivate people, perhaps to be an Olympian themselves. Just terrific. Look,

2003
01:42:34,147 --> 01:42:36,267
Speaker 2: it's been such a pleasure talking to you, Alicia. Just

2004
01:42:36,347 --> 01:42:38,347
Speaker 2: before I go, so you meet you before you're back.

2005
01:42:38,427 --> 01:42:40,347
Speaker 2: You're back training now you're back in the water.

2006
01:42:41,427 --> 01:42:44,187
Speaker 26: Yeah, we had about five weeks off and I had

2007
01:42:44,267 --> 01:42:47,187
Speaker 26: ants in my pants. So I have got back out

2008
01:42:47,267 --> 01:42:48,267
Speaker 26: on the water, back in the.

2009
01:42:48,307 --> 01:42:53,467
Speaker 25: Gym, and it's very basic level training but I hate yeah,

2010
01:42:53,707 --> 01:42:54,347
Speaker 25: I do love it.

2011
01:42:54,507 --> 01:42:55,987
Speaker 26: So I'm back out on the water now.

2012
01:42:56,547 --> 01:42:59,987
Speaker 2: Well, you gave us a couple of absolutely magnificent moments

2013
01:43:00,187 --> 01:43:02,667
Speaker 2: in Paris in the K two and the K four.

2014
01:43:02,787 --> 01:43:06,347
Speaker 2: Congratulations Alicia. It's obviously, you know, nowhere near the end

2015
01:43:06,547 --> 01:43:09,787
Speaker 2: for you. Another Olympic cycle coming up in whichever form

2016
01:43:10,307 --> 01:43:13,867
Speaker 2: that takes. Again, congratulations and thanks so much for taking

2017
01:43:13,867 --> 01:43:14,547
Speaker 2: the time for a chat.

2018
01:43:15,187 --> 01:43:15,907
Speaker 26: Thanks for having me.

2019
01:43:16,147 --> 01:43:19,747
Speaker 2: Thanks Alusia, Alsia Hoskin there double gold medalist at Paris

2020
01:43:19,827 --> 01:43:23,267
Speaker 2: and the K two and K four five hundred meters too.

2021
01:43:23,387 --> 01:43:25,587
Speaker 2: Twenty seven. We'll take a great come back and flick

2022
01:43:25,627 --> 01:43:28,787
Speaker 2: our attention across to Rugby League Pacific Nations Championship Test

2023
01:43:28,827 --> 01:43:31,907
Speaker 2: match Amount Smart Stadium tonight just after eight o'clock Kiwe's

2024
01:43:31,947 --> 01:43:34,747
Speaker 2: v Tonga. Assistant coach of the Keewe Steve Price with

2025
01:43:34,867 --> 01:43:35,427
Speaker 2: us right after this.

2026
01:43:36,147 --> 01:43:39,707
Speaker 1: The biggest things in sports are on Weekend Sport with

2027
01:43:39,867 --> 01:43:43,987
Speaker 1: Jason Time and GJ. Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home

2028
01:43:44,027 --> 01:43:47,227
Speaker 1: builder News sogs they'd be the last player.

2029
01:43:46,987 --> 01:43:48,947
Speaker 28: Of the game now is Missie Johnson giving it two

2030
01:43:49,347 --> 01:43:55,147
Speaker 28: white me A Cordy was there now Forsha Harris and

2031
01:43:55,307 --> 01:43:56,307
Speaker 28: that'll get it.

2032
01:43:56,387 --> 01:43:57,187
Speaker 2: Done in this game.

2033
01:43:59,027 --> 01:44:00,667
Speaker 4: Australias to click it too too.

2034
01:44:00,587 --> 01:44:05,667
Speaker 28: Good in this Fashier in Price Jets as they get

2035
01:44:05,747 --> 01:44:08,107
Speaker 28: in the game by twenty two points.

2036
01:44:08,147 --> 01:44:10,587
Speaker 2: Stits in And that was last week. The Pacific Nations

2037
01:44:10,667 --> 01:44:14,427
Speaker 2: Cup continues tonight Mount Smart Stadium. It is the Kiwis

2038
01:44:14,547 --> 01:44:17,427
Speaker 2: against Tonga where the kickoff at five past eight. The

2039
01:44:17,547 --> 01:44:20,027
Speaker 2: winner will go on to meet Australia in the final

2040
01:44:20,107 --> 01:44:24,707
Speaker 2: in Sydney next Sunday. The loser faces the possibility of relegation.

2041
01:44:25,267 --> 01:44:29,267
Speaker 2: Let's bring in Kiwi's assistant coach Steve Price. Steve, last week,

2042
01:44:29,307 --> 01:44:32,387
Speaker 2: what were your main takeaways from the Test against Australia.

2043
01:44:33,627 --> 01:44:37,627
Speaker 21: Thought the boys are really courageous, you know that. Thought

2044
01:44:37,747 --> 01:44:41,307
Speaker 21: fought really hard. They put themselves in a good position

2045
01:44:41,427 --> 01:44:45,107
Speaker 21: to give themselves a chance to win the game. At

2046
01:44:45,147 --> 01:44:47,107
Speaker 21: the back end of the game, I was sixteen ten,

2047
01:44:47,947 --> 01:44:51,867
Speaker 21: eight minutes to go and unfortunate, you know, we just

2048
01:44:51,987 --> 01:44:58,427
Speaker 21: had a had a had a fundamental error over they

2049
01:44:58,507 --> 01:45:01,547
Speaker 21: run our left edge. But yeah, it was really really

2050
01:45:01,627 --> 01:45:08,787
Speaker 21: positive display. You know, five deputimes. I thought Keana fullback

2051
01:45:09,187 --> 01:45:13,387
Speaker 21: had a superb game and uh you know Phoenix Phoenix crosslin.

2052
01:45:13,827 --> 01:45:16,987
Speaker 21: So there was Again there's a number of good takeaways

2053
01:45:16,987 --> 01:45:17,827
Speaker 21: we can take from the game.

2054
01:45:17,907 --> 01:45:19,707
Speaker 2: Well, I guess the way the competition works, Davis, if

2055
01:45:19,707 --> 01:45:22,427
Speaker 2: you have beat Tonga this evening, you will play Australia

2056
01:45:22,467 --> 01:45:24,467
Speaker 2: again in the final. So if that happens, would you

2057
01:45:24,587 --> 01:45:26,387
Speaker 2: fancy your chances of beating them?

2058
01:45:28,107 --> 01:45:30,107
Speaker 21: To be honest, we're not looking too far ahead.

2059
01:45:30,867 --> 01:45:31,027
Speaker 6: You know.

2060
01:45:31,107 --> 01:45:33,907
Speaker 21: It's going to be a really tough game against tom

2061
01:45:34,027 --> 01:45:38,947
Speaker 21: of the quality outfit. You know they've got some big mobile,

2062
01:45:39,627 --> 01:45:41,547
Speaker 21: many many in the turm. It can cause a bit

2063
01:45:41,587 --> 01:45:47,067
Speaker 21: of destruction. So you know we're we're looking at keep

2064
01:45:47,147 --> 01:45:50,547
Speaker 21: going our game defensively and looking at a few little

2065
01:45:50,587 --> 01:45:55,267
Speaker 21: tweaks offensively we can make some inroads. So we're not

2066
01:45:55,347 --> 01:45:57,907
Speaker 21: looking too far ahead past past Tonga.

2067
01:45:57,987 --> 01:46:00,187
Speaker 2: To be honest, how much of this week has been

2068
01:46:00,467 --> 01:46:03,267
Speaker 2: about recovery every.

2069
01:46:03,107 --> 01:46:06,747
Speaker 21: Every test matches. You know, you know high in tensity

2070
01:46:06,827 --> 01:46:09,307
Speaker 21: and you know we've got a fantastic high performance start

2071
01:46:09,347 --> 01:46:12,867
Speaker 21: here in the Kowis and you manage their training roads

2072
01:46:12,947 --> 01:46:15,947
Speaker 21: quite well. But in saying that, still you still need

2073
01:46:16,027 --> 01:46:19,307
Speaker 21: to get some volume volume into the boys and get

2074
01:46:19,347 --> 01:46:21,427
Speaker 21: some intensity with the training which we have. We felt

2075
01:46:21,467 --> 01:46:25,547
Speaker 21: like we've got the week right. We've got a couple

2076
01:46:25,547 --> 01:46:27,467
Speaker 21: of days off too, so you know the tank to

2077
01:46:27,507 --> 01:46:30,507
Speaker 21: be filled up and we'll be ready to throw down

2078
01:46:30,547 --> 01:46:30,987
Speaker 21: hard again.

2079
01:46:31,347 --> 01:46:34,747
Speaker 2: So you've stuck with the same starting thirteen. In fact,

2080
01:46:34,787 --> 01:46:37,467
Speaker 2: the only changes on the bench where Leo Thompson returns

2081
01:46:37,947 --> 01:46:39,707
Speaker 2: from a suspension here kurn A week one of the

2082
01:46:39,827 --> 01:46:43,827
Speaker 2: NRL Finals. Was there any temptation to tinker any further

2083
01:46:43,947 --> 01:46:44,947
Speaker 2: with the with the side.

2084
01:46:46,747 --> 01:46:50,667
Speaker 21: I think Stacey was really happy with the performance of

2085
01:46:51,107 --> 01:46:54,507
Speaker 21: all seven are members last week. You know, there's a

2086
01:46:54,587 --> 01:46:57,347
Speaker 21: number of guys who hadn't played for you know, fair

2087
01:46:57,347 --> 01:46:59,787
Speaker 21: a few weeks for the guys who didn't make the

2088
01:46:59,827 --> 01:47:02,147
Speaker 21: semifinals in the n RL. So it's good to get

2089
01:47:02,147 --> 01:47:04,027
Speaker 21: one game under the belt. You get a little bit

2090
01:47:04,067 --> 01:47:08,907
Speaker 21: of more continuity with with the with the same same

2091
01:47:09,187 --> 01:47:12,267
Speaker 21: same side except Leo coming in. So that's going to

2092
01:47:12,267 --> 01:47:14,987
Speaker 21: be really positive for from a cohesion point of view.

2093
01:47:15,387 --> 01:47:17,627
Speaker 2: What sort of challenge are you expecting from Tonga tonight.

2094
01:47:19,227 --> 01:47:21,987
Speaker 21: Yeah, it's going to be a really physical game. It's

2095
01:47:22,027 --> 01:47:25,547
Speaker 21: going to be a brutal start. It's important that we

2096
01:47:26,027 --> 01:47:27,867
Speaker 21: play with our heads and play with our smarts and

2097
01:47:29,267 --> 01:47:32,427
Speaker 21: you know, play with control. I think that's really important.

2098
01:47:32,467 --> 01:47:36,987
Speaker 21: And you know, you know, our keeping game last week

2099
01:47:37,027 --> 01:47:40,027
Speaker 21: I thought was really strong with with Sewan and so

2100
01:47:40,267 --> 01:47:41,947
Speaker 21: you know it's important that we keep going that and

2101
01:47:43,067 --> 01:47:45,507
Speaker 21: you know, potentially we've got to be really really strong.

2102
01:47:45,547 --> 01:47:49,027
Speaker 21: We've got a number of you know, quality backgrounds in

2103
01:47:49,107 --> 01:47:53,507
Speaker 21: their team in Elie Katara and Akwasu and uh so

2104
01:47:53,587 --> 01:47:56,707
Speaker 21: we need to be really strong around defensively on those

2105
01:47:56,787 --> 01:48:00,707
Speaker 21: edges and the young Ki Kato at half facts, you know,

2106
01:48:00,827 --> 01:48:02,387
Speaker 21: the conductor of the team, so we're going to have

2107
01:48:02,427 --> 01:48:05,587
Speaker 21: to be on higher load around him.

2108
01:48:05,627 --> 01:48:09,187
Speaker 2: Also, your specific brief in this coaching setup Stever's defense.

2109
01:48:09,627 --> 01:48:13,627
Speaker 2: How much will the defense of patterns change this week

2110
01:48:13,667 --> 01:48:16,067
Speaker 2: against Tonger compared to last weekend against Australia.

2111
01:48:17,467 --> 01:48:19,027
Speaker 21: Yeah, you don't really have a lot of time to

2112
01:48:20,227 --> 01:48:22,787
Speaker 21: change too much. It's important that you just get the

2113
01:48:22,827 --> 01:48:27,227
Speaker 21: basic principles right with you, you know when you're first

2114
01:48:27,267 --> 01:48:30,547
Speaker 21: coming in the camp, and put your foundation off your

2115
01:48:30,747 --> 01:48:34,547
Speaker 21: off your basic principles and keep going cohesion amongst the

2116
01:48:35,107 --> 01:48:37,467
Speaker 21: personal there. So I like to think that we can

2117
01:48:37,707 --> 01:48:41,107
Speaker 21: keep going a strong connection amongst amongst the group. At

2118
01:48:41,107 --> 01:48:45,227
Speaker 21: the end of the day, they're elite players and they've

2119
01:48:45,267 --> 01:48:47,587
Speaker 21: come from really strong foundations from now in our clubs.

2120
01:48:47,627 --> 01:48:50,787
Speaker 21: It's just about marrying that up and putting them in

2121
01:48:50,867 --> 01:48:55,507
Speaker 21: a basic foundation to get the guys connecting together.

2122
01:48:56,067 --> 01:48:58,667
Speaker 2: How's Stacy Jones going as Keewis head coach.

2123
01:48:59,907 --> 01:49:02,267
Speaker 21: Yeah, fantastic. You know, the boys are really brought into

2124
01:49:02,827 --> 01:49:07,147
Speaker 21: what Stace is about. He's you know, he's we will

2125
01:49:07,227 --> 01:49:13,067
Speaker 21: come come coach a very clear purpose and certainly knows

2126
01:49:13,107 --> 01:49:15,547
Speaker 21: what he what he wants from the team and what

2127
01:49:15,707 --> 01:49:18,627
Speaker 21: it looks like to be able to go out there

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Speaker 21: in play. So yeah, he's been great, great in cab

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Speaker 21: and you know the boys have been love love being

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Speaker 21: coached by it.

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Speaker 2: And no doubt a big crowd tonight, and there will

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Speaker 2: be a lot of Tonguan fans as well as you know, Steve,

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01:49:30,987 --> 01:49:32,667
Speaker 2: you know, they turn up to watch our tongue of

2134
01:49:32,707 --> 01:49:35,267
Speaker 2: player as much as they do to watch the Kiwis play.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it might be a real cauldron there this evening.

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01:49:38,827 --> 01:49:41,387
Speaker 2: How much will you or will the players feed off

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01:49:41,827 --> 01:49:43,067
Speaker 2: the energy of the crowd.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, certainly, you know, it's important and hopefully we can

2139
01:49:48,147 --> 01:49:51,227
Speaker 21: you know, take you know, take the noise away by

2140
01:49:51,747 --> 01:49:54,867
Speaker 21: controlling the game. But you know, I'm sure there's going

2141
01:49:54,947 --> 01:49:56,827
Speaker 21: to be a plenty of red jerseys and red plagues

2142
01:49:56,867 --> 01:49:59,547
Speaker 21: about and hopefully we can get a lot of black

2143
01:49:59,587 --> 01:50:01,707
Speaker 21: plagus and black jerseys also, So yeah, it's going to

2144
01:50:01,747 --> 01:50:04,547
Speaker 21: be a great spectacle and hopefully we get a big

2145
01:50:04,667 --> 01:50:08,307
Speaker 21: roll up you know too, good teams going at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great occasion incoming. Thanks Steve, appreciate your time on

2147
01:50:10,867 --> 01:50:13,947
Speaker 2: match day. That's Steve Price, assistant coach of the Kiwis.

2148
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Speaker 2: They take on Tonga tonight Mount Smart five past eight.

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Speaker 2: As I say, the winner will meet Austrader in the

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01:50:19,267 --> 01:50:23,107
Speaker 2: final in Sydney next Sunday twenty three to three. We

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Speaker 2: take a break, we'll come back. A special studio guest

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01:50:25,787 --> 01:50:28,147
Speaker 2: or White's head coach Darren Baisley is with me right

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Speaker 2: after this.

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Speaker 2: All Whites head coach Darren Baisley, who will be at

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Speaker 2: the game obviously, but as popped in on his way.

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Speaker 2: Nice to see you mate, Thanks for taking the time

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01:50:57,987 --> 01:51:01,427
Speaker 2: out of your busy afternoon to come and see us. Firstly,

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Speaker 2: the occasion base How significant is this occasion for the

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01:51:06,067 --> 01:51:07,547
Speaker 2: game football here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 29: I think it's massive. You know, it's so exciting and

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01:51:10,307 --> 01:51:12,827
Speaker 29: it's a it's a day we've waded forever for to

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Speaker 29: two professional teams in New Zealand, first big derby, both

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01:51:17,187 --> 01:51:19,867
Speaker 29: teams unbeaten. I'll be honestly, I think it's one of

2171
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Speaker 29: the biggest days in football in the country for a

2172
01:51:21,787 --> 01:51:22,307
Speaker 29: long long time.

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Speaker 2: What have you made of Auckland FCS start to life good?

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been watching them build the club. You know,

2175
01:51:27,907 --> 01:51:29,227
Speaker 2: I've speak to them pretty regularly.

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01:51:30,147 --> 01:51:32,147
Speaker 29: They've got a lot of good Kiwi lads there as

2177
01:51:32,187 --> 01:51:34,467
Speaker 29: well and brought in some good imports, so there they've

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01:51:34,507 --> 01:51:38,347
Speaker 29: built a really strong club with some strong solid foundations.

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01:51:38,387 --> 01:51:40,427
Speaker 29: You know, they've got good backers and everything, so that

2180
01:51:40,667 --> 01:51:42,627
Speaker 29: they've done a good job and what they've put on

2181
01:51:42,707 --> 01:51:45,387
Speaker 29: the pitch so far has been good to watch and

2182
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Speaker 29: very competitive.

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Speaker 2: They sit at the start before they even started recruising,

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01:51:49,147 --> 01:51:51,867
Speaker 2: we are going to give a focus to Kiwi players

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01:51:51,947 --> 01:51:55,267
Speaker 2: and they've they've I've done that, They've they've walked that walk.

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Speaker 2: Uh for you, as a as all White's head coach,

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01:51:59,187 --> 01:52:01,267
Speaker 2: is this a good thing? Having having players here that

2188
01:52:01,347 --> 01:52:04,507
Speaker 2: you can keep a close eye on or converously would

2189
01:52:04,507 --> 01:52:05,747
Speaker 2: you rather they were playing elsewhere?

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Speaker 29: Think it's I think it's both.

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Speaker 7: It's good.

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01:52:08,067 --> 01:52:10,307
Speaker 29: It's definitely good. I mean it's it's great for New

2193
01:52:10,427 --> 01:52:12,827
Speaker 29: Zealand and for the All Whites to have the extra team.

2194
01:52:13,587 --> 01:52:16,187
Speaker 29: It gives people opportunities to play, and it's you know,

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01:52:16,267 --> 01:52:19,027
Speaker 29: you know, for for the younger players, it's it's amazing,

2196
01:52:19,427 --> 01:52:22,427
Speaker 29: you know, the platform to become pros and and the

2197
01:52:22,547 --> 01:52:25,987
Speaker 29: pathway now is there. And we've seen what's happened recently

2198
01:52:26,507 --> 01:52:29,027
Speaker 29: with Sermon and Paulson and Ben Old that once you

2199
01:52:29,467 --> 01:52:31,667
Speaker 29: you play a number of games and you play to

2200
01:52:31,747 --> 01:52:34,227
Speaker 29: a certain level, you can move from this area. So

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Speaker 29: I think it's great to have two platforms. But it's

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01:52:37,707 --> 01:52:38,667
Speaker 29: not just for the young players.

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Speaker 25: You know.

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01:52:38,907 --> 01:52:41,547
Speaker 29: You you look at sort of Tim and Roofs and

2205
01:52:41,587 --> 01:52:43,547
Speaker 29: now Nando and you know they're a little bit older

2206
01:52:43,587 --> 01:52:45,867
Speaker 29: and they're performing really well and they get selected for

2207
01:52:45,907 --> 01:52:48,187
Speaker 29: the All Whites. So it's not necessarily you have to

2208
01:52:48,267 --> 01:52:51,147
Speaker 29: be anywhere to be playing. I mean, the most important

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01:52:51,147 --> 01:52:53,067
Speaker 29: thing for us is that you are. You are playing,

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01:52:53,747 --> 01:52:56,307
Speaker 29: you're playing professionally, and you're playing to a pretty good level.

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01:52:56,347 --> 01:53:00,307
Speaker 29: We're at that stage now where it's super competitive for

2212
01:53:00,427 --> 01:53:03,027
Speaker 29: places in not just the starting level, but the squad,

2213
01:53:03,187 --> 01:53:05,987
Speaker 29: you know, every every squad now we name where we

2214
01:53:06,147 --> 01:53:09,747
Speaker 29: leave out some some pretty big names and that's just

2215
01:53:09,867 --> 01:53:13,427
Speaker 29: due now to the competition for places and everyone's everyone's

2216
01:53:13,467 --> 01:53:14,107
Speaker 29: doing really well.

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Speaker 2: You've lived nicely into my next question. Actually, we've got

2218
01:53:16,387 --> 01:53:18,467
Speaker 2: a lot of players playing in leagues all over the

2219
01:53:18,547 --> 01:53:22,547
Speaker 2: place and some good leagues and playing regularly. Can good

2220
01:53:23,267 --> 01:53:25,107
Speaker 2: a league form get you into the All Whites?

2221
01:53:25,867 --> 01:53:28,627
Speaker 29: Definitely, yeah, definitely. You know, we've got players like Rufa

2222
01:53:28,707 --> 01:53:31,187
Speaker 29: and Tim Payne that you know, pretty much get picked

2223
01:53:31,227 --> 01:53:33,267
Speaker 29: now every time we put a squad together and we

2224
01:53:33,347 --> 01:53:35,307
Speaker 29: put them on the pitch there, you know, and they

2225
01:53:35,867 --> 01:53:38,307
Speaker 29: they're able to go to a higher level. You know,

2226
01:53:38,387 --> 01:53:41,067
Speaker 29: I'm sure there's a number of players, including those two,

2227
01:53:41,187 --> 01:53:44,067
Speaker 29: that if given an opportunity, could also play in a

2228
01:53:44,147 --> 01:53:47,907
Speaker 29: different environment at a different level. Harder for older players

2229
01:53:47,947 --> 01:53:51,267
Speaker 29: to move from this league, you know, because clubs around

2230
01:53:51,267 --> 01:53:53,187
Speaker 29: the world are looking for that young player, you know,

2231
01:53:53,267 --> 01:53:55,467
Speaker 29: the potential, and you know, most players get signed on

2232
01:53:55,547 --> 01:53:57,747
Speaker 29: potential from this part of the world and then they

2233
01:53:57,827 --> 01:54:01,347
Speaker 29: try and develop them a la Paulson. But you know,

2234
01:54:02,067 --> 01:54:06,027
Speaker 29: for players that are performing regularly, they're fit, they're playing well.

2235
01:54:06,947 --> 01:54:08,787
Speaker 29: You know, we we obviously know they can come into

2236
01:54:08,867 --> 01:54:10,267
Speaker 29: different environments and perform.

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Speaker 2: I just want to askive you a specific player, and

2238
01:54:12,267 --> 01:54:14,307
Speaker 2: that's Mirco Rojas. I haven't seen him play for New

2239
01:54:14,347 --> 01:54:16,947
Speaker 2: Zealand since June of last year, the abandoned game against

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Speaker 2: Cutter I think was the last time we saw him

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Speaker 2: with the All Whites. Hopefully we'll see him this afternoon.

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01:54:21,787 --> 01:54:23,707
Speaker 2: Does he still part of your all white spreadsheet?

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01:54:24,187 --> 01:54:26,707
Speaker 29: He certainly is. Yeah, and that day he played very

2244
01:54:26,707 --> 01:54:29,267
Speaker 29: well in that in that game. Yeah, he's on the

2245
01:54:29,427 --> 01:54:30,507
Speaker 29: He's on the board, I call it.

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01:54:30,587 --> 01:54:31,147
Speaker 6: He's on the board.

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Speaker 29: We've got this white board of all the names on

2248
01:54:33,147 --> 01:54:35,947
Speaker 29: and you know we've got around around sixty players. Now

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01:54:36,067 --> 01:54:39,467
Speaker 29: you know that are professional players around the world. You know,

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Speaker 29: not all necessarily each window options, but we've definitely got

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Speaker 29: probably forty five legitimate options for like this upcoming window

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01:54:49,667 --> 01:54:52,107
Speaker 29: that we talk about as staff and that are a

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01:54:52,187 --> 01:54:55,147
Speaker 29: potential option to bring in. We have been pretty consistent

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01:54:55,307 --> 01:54:59,547
Speaker 29: with selections, but you're as you have seen every every

2255
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Speaker 29: squad there are a few different players. Funnily enough, everywhere

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Speaker 29: it's not really funny, but every squad we name, we

2257
01:55:05,987 --> 01:55:08,987
Speaker 29: always lose a player through some sort of injury. Just

2258
01:55:09,187 --> 01:55:12,787
Speaker 29: previous to the squad agating together, and you know, unfortunately

2259
01:55:12,827 --> 01:55:14,787
Speaker 29: we've lost Ben Old you know, for this for this

2260
01:55:14,947 --> 01:55:17,627
Speaker 29: next window, so that's a shame. But at this stage,

2261
01:55:18,147 --> 01:55:20,187
Speaker 29: you know, the next window is looking like one of

2262
01:55:20,267 --> 01:55:22,427
Speaker 29: our strongest squads that we'll probably ever put together.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I see you talk about injuries and a guy who

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01:55:25,627 --> 01:55:27,347
Speaker 2: has been afflicted a bit of Sarprate sing. But I

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01:55:27,387 --> 01:55:28,747
Speaker 2: see he got back on the pitch the other day.

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Speaker 4: So is he Beck?

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's on the white I know he's on

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01:55:30,667 --> 01:55:33,907
Speaker 2: the whiteboard. Without presume he's on the whiteboard. Are you

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01:55:33,987 --> 01:55:36,187
Speaker 2: hopeful to see I've seen Sarpreate beck in the ones.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 29: I mean, he's got another game for his club this weekend,

2273
01:55:38,947 --> 01:55:41,387
Speaker 29: so hopefully he gets good minutes again. He's you know,

2274
01:55:41,427 --> 01:55:43,587
Speaker 29: I talked Sarpreate pretty regularly. He's been a little bit

2275
01:55:43,667 --> 01:55:47,187
Speaker 29: unlucky over the last few years. But just recently he

2276
01:55:47,267 --> 01:55:49,627
Speaker 29: picked up a little injury before the America tour, you know,

2277
01:55:49,707 --> 01:55:52,307
Speaker 29: because he was coming there and then he's gone into

2278
01:55:52,347 --> 01:55:55,307
Speaker 29: a new club. He's had a slight injury, nothing to

2279
01:55:55,387 --> 01:55:58,227
Speaker 29: do with his previous injuries, and he had a little

2280
01:55:58,347 --> 01:56:01,547
Speaker 29: visa issue and then he was actually suspended from his

2281
01:56:01,707 --> 01:56:03,987
Speaker 29: time in Germany for the for the first game that

2282
01:56:04,067 --> 01:56:07,267
Speaker 29: he was available for. So yeah, he's back now. I

2283
01:56:07,347 --> 01:56:11,267
Speaker 29: mean we all know a Fitzapri is a real, real

2284
01:56:11,347 --> 01:56:12,467
Speaker 29: good asset for us.

2285
01:56:12,787 --> 01:56:14,907
Speaker 2: What about Ryan Thomas, he's back playing now as well?

2286
01:56:15,067 --> 01:56:16,307
Speaker 2: Is he on the whiteboard?

2287
01:56:16,507 --> 01:56:17,147
Speaker 4: He sure is?

2288
01:56:17,427 --> 01:56:20,387
Speaker 29: Yeah, yeah, I mean Ryan has the potential to be

2289
01:56:20,467 --> 01:56:22,227
Speaker 29: one of the best players that we have. You know,

2290
01:56:23,067 --> 01:56:26,467
Speaker 29: he's obviously another player that's had a sort of horrendous

2291
01:56:26,507 --> 01:56:29,307
Speaker 29: few years injury wise, and you know, got himself to

2292
01:56:29,387 --> 01:56:31,147
Speaker 29: a level where he was playing in one of the

2293
01:56:31,227 --> 01:56:35,147
Speaker 29: top clubs in Europe at PSV, and you know, it's

2294
01:56:35,147 --> 01:56:38,107
Speaker 29: a real shame how that's worked out, and he's never

2295
01:56:38,307 --> 01:56:41,067
Speaker 29: ruled out playing for the All Whites. And again it's

2296
01:56:41,067 --> 01:56:43,467
Speaker 29: another player I speak to pretty regularly and great to

2297
01:56:43,507 --> 01:56:45,827
Speaker 29: see him get get minutes the other day, but it

2298
01:56:45,907 --> 01:56:47,547
Speaker 29: was a shame for him. He got on and then

2299
01:56:47,907 --> 01:56:49,707
Speaker 29: his team had a player sent off and ended up

2300
01:56:49,707 --> 01:56:52,067
Speaker 29: playing with ten men, so that became difficult for him

2301
01:56:52,107 --> 01:56:55,627
Speaker 29: on his sort of return, But he's gradually getting his

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01:56:56,507 --> 01:57:01,427
Speaker 29: fitness and his confidence. I think it would take, knowing Ryan,

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01:57:01,547 --> 01:57:05,427
Speaker 29: it would take quite a while of consistently playing before

2304
01:57:05,507 --> 01:57:08,147
Speaker 29: he was, he would take on extra you know, and

2305
01:57:08,187 --> 01:57:12,187
Speaker 29: you've got to think he's fighting for his club career really,

2306
01:57:12,387 --> 01:57:16,067
Speaker 29: and to come away from his club and travel to

2307
01:57:16,147 --> 01:57:18,707
Speaker 29: come into an all its environment is an extra burden

2308
01:57:18,787 --> 01:57:20,867
Speaker 29: on his body at the moment. But I think once

2309
01:57:20,907 --> 01:57:22,667
Speaker 29: he gets his confidence and plays a number of games,

2310
01:57:22,987 --> 01:57:25,387
Speaker 29: there's always the potential. I've never ruled him out and

2311
01:57:25,907 --> 01:57:27,067
Speaker 29: the door's always open.

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01:57:27,547 --> 01:57:30,627
Speaker 2: Goalkeepers, now, you're plenty of those at the moment. You're

2313
01:57:30,787 --> 01:57:33,147
Speaker 2: three or the three you've used most recently in squads,

2314
01:57:33,707 --> 01:57:36,347
Speaker 2: Max Krok, Alex Paulson, who will see this afternoon, of course,

2315
01:57:36,627 --> 01:57:39,707
Speaker 2: and also Olie's sail. But beyond those three, I mean

2316
01:57:39,747 --> 01:57:41,827
Speaker 2: Michael Vouds and the Awkland f C squad for example.

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01:57:41,867 --> 01:57:43,987
Speaker 2: He's a guy who's played, you know, played all Whites

2318
01:57:44,067 --> 01:57:47,507
Speaker 2: games recently, and then Henry Gray, Case Sims and others.

2319
01:57:49,947 --> 01:57:51,627
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure how to phrase the question. Maybe

2320
01:57:51,627 --> 01:57:53,547
Speaker 2: I'll just ask it direct. What does Alex Paulson have

2321
01:57:53,667 --> 01:57:54,787
Speaker 2: to do to be your number one?

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01:57:55,427 --> 01:57:55,587
Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 29: I mean he's got to play games, you know, and

2324
01:57:58,627 --> 01:58:01,227
Speaker 29: just keep developing. You know, he's still very young. We

2325
01:58:01,267 --> 01:58:04,067
Speaker 29: have to remember he's very young. He's probably well, he

2326
01:58:04,147 --> 01:58:08,107
Speaker 29: has had one season and had an amazing season and

2327
01:58:08,187 --> 01:58:10,787
Speaker 29: obviously got all the accolades from that season and got

2328
01:58:10,827 --> 01:58:15,187
Speaker 29: a big move. But like Bournemouth, he's he's potential, you know,

2329
01:58:15,267 --> 01:58:17,907
Speaker 29: he's a young player. Bournemouth have seen a real high

2330
01:58:17,987 --> 01:58:20,827
Speaker 29: level of potential in him, of willing to put a

2331
01:58:20,867 --> 01:58:23,627
Speaker 29: bit of money behind that and back that decision and

2332
01:58:23,707 --> 01:58:25,387
Speaker 29: now they've sort of given him opportunity to go and

2333
01:58:25,467 --> 01:58:28,347
Speaker 29: play games. So yeah, he's definitely in the frame for us.

2334
01:58:29,787 --> 01:58:33,307
Speaker 29: They're all competing, you know, Max Crokum probably is the

2335
01:58:33,387 --> 01:58:35,507
Speaker 29: number one at the moment. He's been very good for

2336
01:58:35,627 --> 01:58:37,827
Speaker 29: us and you know last season he got Player of

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Speaker 29: the Season at his club in League One, which is

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Speaker 29: a super competitive environment. You know, some big clubs in

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01:58:42,907 --> 01:58:45,427
Speaker 29: League One. It's the same league Tyler Bindon plays in

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Speaker 29: and Ben Wayne is playing in. So that's a really

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01:58:49,187 --> 01:58:54,667
Speaker 29: good level that he's at as well, different age, they're

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Speaker 29: both very good as and if we go back two years,

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Speaker 29: Oli Sale was the number one, go back three years,

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Speaker 29: Michael vaud was involved and we've had Nick Zanev play

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01:59:03,467 --> 01:59:06,747
Speaker 29: as well. Who's who's another good goalkeeper? You you're right,

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01:59:06,747 --> 01:59:09,347
Speaker 29: we've got good stocks young players coming through with Henry

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01:59:09,467 --> 01:59:12,987
Speaker 29: and Case and some younger players as well, so real

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Speaker 29: good options. You know, we we just got to keep

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Speaker 29: giving those opportunities for them to impress.

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Speaker 2: So you've got two games in the middle of this

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Speaker 2: month of Bantu and some more, both at home, which

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01:59:23,147 --> 01:59:25,387
Speaker 2: will be good, a couple of home games for fans

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01:59:25,427 --> 01:59:28,067
Speaker 2: to get around. You alluded to it before, but you're

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Speaker 2: going to pull together a pretty good squad for that.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, everybody's keen. I think I think all the players

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01:59:33,467 --> 01:59:37,867
Speaker 29: know that it's getting really competitive Foray for positions, so

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Speaker 29: I think every opportunity they get now they want to come,

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01:59:41,427 --> 01:59:43,227
Speaker 29: They want to be involved, and you know they want

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01:59:43,227 --> 01:59:46,227
Speaker 29: to have the shirt and play, which is great for us.

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01:59:46,387 --> 01:59:49,027
Speaker 29: Means you know, we're going to have this home games

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01:59:49,067 --> 01:59:52,627
Speaker 29: against two Island teams with a pretty strong squad, and

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Speaker 29: it will allow us to help with some minutes for

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01:59:55,147 --> 01:59:58,267
Speaker 29: different players. And again everybody wants to come into the squad.

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Speaker 29: But then everybody wants to start the game, so we've

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Speaker 29: got some difficult conversations to have and then you know

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Speaker 29: it's down to them perform the problem.

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Speaker 2: A coach I'm sure would like to have rather than

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Speaker 2: scratching around to try and pull a squad together. All right, bos,

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Speaker 2: will you better get to the game. What's your pick?

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Speaker 2: By the way, can you be or do you have

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Speaker 2: to be completely impartial tonight? Completely impartial? I mean I'm

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Speaker 2: excited to see I hope it's competitive. I'm sure it's

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02:00:23,787 --> 02:00:26,227
Speaker 2: going to be competitive. You know, when you've got players

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02:00:26,267 --> 02:00:29,747
Speaker 2: like Rufa and Timmy and those guys involved, it's it's

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02:00:29,827 --> 02:00:31,387
Speaker 2: going to be competitive. You know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: friends in both teams, you know, teammates in all whites

2378
02:00:35,427 --> 02:00:37,707
Speaker 2: competing against each other, and a lot of bragging rights.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's going to be competitive. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to say who are where. I'd like to say

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02:00:43,107 --> 02:00:45,067
Speaker 2: it'll be a three to three entertaining game, but then

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Speaker 2: that means Paulson and Nandale probably haven't haven't performed as

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02:00:49,027 --> 02:00:50,947
Speaker 2: well defensively, and I don't want to say Neil Neil

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02:00:50,987 --> 02:00:52,947
Speaker 2: because that wouldn't be a great game. But yeah, just

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Speaker 2: looking forward to a really competitive game, all right, and

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Speaker 2: no injuries for the New Zealand players, presumably. Great to

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Speaker 2: see your base. Thanks for us stopping on your way

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02:00:59,667 --> 02:01:01,507
Speaker 2: to the game. As some cheers pain, Thanks bare and

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Speaker 2: basically the head coach of the All Whites nine and

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Speaker 2: a half to three, New Stalks.

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the hail Mary's and the epic fields. Weekend

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Speaker 1: Sport with Jason hin News Talk ZENB.

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Speaker 2: Six to three. That is us for the Saturday version

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Speaker 2: of Weekend Sport. Anyway Berg show coming tomorrow, All Blacks

2395
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Speaker 2: England four o'clock tomorrow morning, follow by the New Zealand

2396
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Speaker 2: and fifteen against Munster. Will cover both of those games

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Speaker 2: off whatever happens on day two in the cricket, the

2398
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Speaker 2: rugby League tonight the A League Derby of course all

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Speaker 2: of that to review. Also joined in studio tomorrow by

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Speaker 2: Mark Graham, absolute icon of New Zealand rugby League and

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Speaker 2: his filmmaker son Luke. They are this week releasing the

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02:01:43,747 --> 02:01:47,827
Speaker 2: documentary about Mark's life called Sharko. So Mark and Luke

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Speaker 2: Graham among our guests tomorrow as well. Huge thanks to

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Speaker 2: you for tuning in this afternoon, for taking part in

2405
02:01:53,147 --> 02:01:55,947
Speaker 2: the show. Hope you enjoyed yourself whatever it was you

2406
02:01:56,067 --> 02:01:59,947
Speaker 2: decided to do listen, call text or I was going

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02:01:59,987 --> 02:02:01,507
Speaker 2: to say none of the above. You probably wouldn't be

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02:02:01,547 --> 02:02:03,947
Speaker 2: with us. Andy McDonald, a huge thanks to you for

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02:02:04,027 --> 02:02:06,627
Speaker 2: producing the show as per usual, what's our exit song today?

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Speaker 17: Well, Piney, quite frankly, today, I've had enough of this

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Speaker 17: fence sitting. I'm not going to pick a team to

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Speaker 17: support from you and Darren Beasley actually, although bes is

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02:02:13,787 --> 02:02:15,547
Speaker 17: a bit more of an excuse considering he's got a

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02:02:15,587 --> 02:02:16,667
Speaker 17: pet players from other team.

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02:02:16,787 --> 02:02:17,947
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 17: I'm going to nail my flag firmly to the mast.

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Speaker 17: I will say goodbye even though I'm blue Piney seven

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Speaker 17: Wine Auckland FC.

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Speaker 2: And on that note, i will tell you I'm not

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Speaker 2: really much of a football person.

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Speaker 17: So I don't know if that's a that's pretty bold,

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02:02:35,627 --> 02:02:35,907
Speaker 17: isn't it.

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02:02:37,147 --> 02:02:39,427
Speaker 2: That's on the that's on the upper side of bold.

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Speaker 2: I think you would say. I'll tell you what. There's

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Speaker 2: going to be some happy Blue and Black fans. So

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Speaker 2: that's the situation in four or five hours from now.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Andy, thank you for listening sit him right

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Speaker 2: on the day.

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Speaker 6: It was the last thing we could do.

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Speaker 4: You're telling her what suppers we do. And that's why

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: This is why I stop blue.

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Speaker 10: I'm telling away and he goes to tell Charlie and

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Speaker 10: I'm play goodbye even though I'm Loue, even.

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Speaker 2: Though I'm Blop, I'm blue Charlie. I'll say goodbye even

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Speaker 2: though I'm blue, even bo I'm.

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Speaker 4: I'm tally, I'm playing goodbye.

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Speaker 26: I'm looking, even though.

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02:03:50,827 --> 02:03:52,307
Speaker 4: I'm going to land.

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Speaker 26: And I'll say goodbye.

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02:03:54,707 --> 02:04:01,347
Speaker 24: I'm sling and I'm saying good bye

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Speaker 1: Even For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, listen

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