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Speaker 1: The breakfast show. You can try us the mic Hosking

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Speaker 1: Breakfast with the range Rover Villa designed to intrigue and

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Speaker 1: use Tod's.

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Speaker 2: Head, be willing and welcome today, the apology for growing

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Speaker 2: angst around what is next to what it looked like

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Speaker 2: and doesn't solve anything. Good times for Fontira and as

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Speaker 2: they bump the milk priss of course and give more

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Speaker 2: detail on the consumer and business sale. The bloke who

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Speaker 2: invented Syrians in for a word after right Catherine Fields

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Speaker 2: and France. Rod Liddle drops in from the UK for

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Speaker 2: us as well, asking right, oh seven past six, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the day. Sam our producer is back with us today.

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Speaker 2: He left early yesterday while the show was still on

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Speaker 2: to go to jury duty. He got selected but was

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Speaker 2: excused by the judge. God blessed the judge. There was

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Speaker 2: a bit of setting around, mucking round rules things to

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Speaker 2: follow in our text exchange. A waste of time was

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Speaker 2: a phrase used. Jury duty falls. I think into this

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Speaker 2: tricky area sibyl or civic service or community service. It's

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Speaker 2: one of those things that perhaps in a different time

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Speaker 2: we might have taken a different approach to. I've always

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Speaker 2: been fairly open about jury service. I don't like. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to do it. I've never done it. I

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Speaker 2: suspect I never will. That's not to say I don't

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Speaker 2: thank those who do, but on a quid pro quo basis,

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Speaker 2: there are several aspects of it that are really not

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Speaker 2: worth the input. The whole idea of a jury of

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Speaker 2: your peers is, of course nonsense. Your peers. What does

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Speaker 2: that mean? The vast majority of people charged in court

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Speaker 2: So are they my peers? I would not have thought.

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Speaker 2: So we must accept in this day and age that

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Speaker 2: time is critical. The business Sam was up for was

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Speaker 2: set aside for three weeks. He doesn't have three weeks.

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Speaker 2: He does an important job executive producing the biggest radio

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Speaker 2: show in the country. Put that task up against a trial,

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Speaker 2: I'd argue, we win, or should win. You've got the

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Speaker 2: issue of compensation. If you're self employed, it's a nightmare

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Speaker 2: time and money are lost, and badly so it's your

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Speaker 2: livelihood versus a crook or alleged crook. It's supposed to

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Speaker 2: appeal to our higher selves, but I argue those days

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Speaker 2: long gone solution. I've got one more judge trials or

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Speaker 2: them and they've got a desire to be available. As

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Speaker 2: it stands, it's a crapshoot, a random pick and mix

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Speaker 2: of the brilliant to bewildered, busy to gormless, or masquerading

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Speaker 2: as your peers. It's never really made any sense and

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Speaker 2: certainly wouldn't have if I was sitting here this morning

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Speaker 1: News of the World in ninety six, Right.

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Speaker 2: Buckle up, Trump's into it. Tom Homan is your new borders.

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Speaker 3: Tom Holman has a grasp on the operational side of

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Speaker 3: anything like mass deportation. He has been at the helm

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Speaker 3: of it before. He understands the ins and out.

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Speaker 2: At least. Dephenic is your new UN ambassador.

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Speaker 4: She has Donald Trump's air, and when she's speaking to

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Speaker 4: world leaders, they know that she's speaking on behalf of

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: As regards the war, Macron and Starma have been having

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Speaker 2: a chinwag about that. Remarkably, they seem upbeat about Trump.

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Speaker 5: Countries get security through strength, just as alliances like NA

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Speaker 5: to do, and I expect the US to remain alongside

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Speaker 5: allies like the UK, standing with Ukraine for as long

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Speaker 5: as it takes.

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Speaker 2: They've opened Cop twenty nine.

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Speaker 6: It's not enough to just agree on a goal.

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Speaker 1: We must work harder to reform the global financial system,

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Speaker 1: giving countries the fiscal space they so desperately need.

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Speaker 2: Armistter stay in the UK with the Duchess of Edinburgh

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Speaker 7: At familiar tables of home? They have no lot in

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Speaker 7: our labor of the daytime. They sleep beyond England's foam.

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Speaker 2: And gimme Bednock, who has her cool new job, was

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Speaker 2: reminded today of her old job, which was being in

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Speaker 8: We shouldn't be afraid to challenge ourselves. We shouldn't be

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Speaker 8: afraid to challenge the system. We shouldn't be able to

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Speaker 2: Finally, an alien like signal from last year's being deciphered.

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Speaker 2: So back in May we had a European Space Agency

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Speaker 2: and they'd done a lot of well thousands of hours

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Speaker 2: amino assets representing the building blocks of life. Currently no

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Speaker 2: way of telling what that actually means. News of the

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Speaker 2: world and out world must be in ninety seconds. Japan's

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Speaker 2: got themselves sorted for now. It's going to be interesting

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Speaker 2: to see how long it lasts. As Sheba, who's now

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Speaker 2: a snap election, which badly wrong for his party, the LDP.

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Speaker 2: Fingers crossed twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: He is boden at Arlington on Veteran's Day.

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Speaker 9: But we're the only nation, the only in the world

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Speaker 9: got on an idea, and that idea is we're all

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Speaker 10: We haven't lived up to it ever your time or.

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Speaker 11: We've never walked away from it, even when it's hard,

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Speaker 9: Given all to our nation.

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Speaker 4: I must say clearly we never will give up.

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Speaker 2: So it's fifteen from my wealth, Jami Wealth. I sent

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Speaker 2: like Bardaney Promondon Andrew kellahoogand morning very good. Are these

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Speaker 2: are these golden times at Fonterra. Is this a purple

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Speaker 6: Definitely a purple patch. Yeah, yeah, let's talk Fonterra. Yesterday

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Speaker 6: But that wasn't the only announcement from Fonterra yesterday. They

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Speaker 6: also updated the market on news on this recent strategic

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Speaker 6: decision to investigate options for the divestment or the sale

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Speaker 6: that they told us that on the thirtieth of September.

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Speaker 6: Now yesterday they confirmed that divestment will go ahead. Now

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Speaker 6: micas they talk of a trade sale or an IPO.

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Speaker 6: Now an IPO being an initial public offering, which means

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Speaker 6: not only that, but a successful sale would see capital

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Speaker 6: a purple patch for fon Terror. The sort of change

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Speaker 2: This is the truth. When they do well, we all

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Speaker 2: do well. Quarterly RECT survey, what's the vibe ahead of

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Speaker 6: Yeah for monetary for monetary policy officionados out there the

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Speaker 6: need to see those anchored around the target midpoint. Now,

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Speaker 6: historically they focused on two year inflation expectations. They survey

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Speaker 6: Two year ahead inflation expectations. They increase marginally, they went

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Speaker 6: But I still think you can describe that as well

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Speaker 6: the longer dated stuff, the five year TENU they did rise,

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Speaker 6: they are very well anchored there. They ask a couple

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Speaker 6: of other questions Mike, They ask where's the OCR expected

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Speaker 6: to be? The response they got was four point two

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Speaker 6: fifty basis point move. They said, where do you think

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Speaker 6: the OCO will be in September next year? The response

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Speaker 6: neutral rate. There is nothing in those numbers released yesterday

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Speaker 6: might to stop the continuation of the OCR reduction, just

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Speaker 6: a function of how far and how fast, So that

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Speaker 2: Lower numbers please.

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Speaker 6: So the Trump bump continues. The dal jones up three

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Speaker 2: It'd be Mike, It'll be in miles, not Ks Russell.

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Speaker 2: Not to underestimate what is going on in this country

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Speaker 2: Be getting quite a bit of this, Mike Reluxeon today. One,

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Speaker 2: on these. It's not a bad point. You and I

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Speaker 2: He doesn't like it? Mike, Why can't anyone over sixty

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Speaker 2: five do jury duty? I'm sixty seven, still working as

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Speaker 2: a casual teacher, yet I'm denied jury duty. No, you're not, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: You're wrong. You're completely and utterly wrong, and you can

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Speaker 2: Twenty three to seven there were a bit of angsty

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Speaker 2: in a couple of moments for you. A very healthy

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Speaker 2: looking days on the dairy farm. As we've been telling

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Speaker 12: Morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Are they golden days.

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Speaker 12: At nine dollars fifty There's no doubt about it is

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Speaker 2: That is true, it's ato one too high in terms

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Speaker 12: Potentially? And I think, you know, farmers would have had

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Speaker 12: But that's a big part of it. And we've seen

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Speaker 2: What's your read on what happened yesterday at nine point fifty?

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Speaker 2: Is it sustainable? They talked a bit about China, demand, Africa,

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Speaker 12: don't have to look too far back in history might

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Speaker 12: to see, things can shift pretty quickly up and down.

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Speaker 12: We export ninety five percent of our products, so you

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Speaker 12: know we are really subject to global markets and they

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Speaker 2: That's true. Do we have a view on the trade sale,

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Speaker 2: not the trade sale the consumers soil, whether it's trade

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Speaker 12: Farmers have mentioned to us that they're there keen on

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Speaker 12: I think the key thing is that farmers would be

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Speaker 12: It's also important to note that farmers will have to

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Speaker 12: so you know we'll be making sure that they're well informed.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, John, nice to talk to you, appreciate it

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Speaker 2: as always, John Stevenson, Fontira Cooperative Council Chairman with us

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Speaker 2: twenty away from seven. Like Fonterira will end up a

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Speaker 2: long term. This will be a poor decision. We talk

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Speaker 2: of the sale whatever happened to valuate. Mikey quite right

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Speaker 2: that Vonterra are making a big mistake selling off their

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Speaker 2: whole argument behind the business, Miles Hurrell, I'm sure will

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Speaker 2: tell you is that you know, they got bigger fish

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Speaker 2: so may as well flick it. But my great fear,

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Speaker 2: don't you have time? If you've got something there and

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Speaker 2: My first move, by the way, if I bought that

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Speaker 2: David, it's a very good point you make. If you

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Speaker 15: able to go past that key date of January twentieth,

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Speaker 15: the inauguration of Donald Trump as a US president, certainly

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Speaker 15: what happened after those talks might they went to the

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Speaker 15: Chanz Ofalise, they laid their rasay, then went to the

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Speaker 15: outer tween Off. That was the symbolic moment. These were

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Speaker 15: two men standing united. And I think when you look

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Speaker 15: at where the UK is at the moment, Mike, you know,

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Speaker 15: it's not in the European Union. It's really does need

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Speaker 15: stronger bilateral relations across Europe. This was such an important

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Speaker 15: moment to be able to say that the UK might

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Speaker 15: be isolated, but they still have friends in the EU

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Speaker 15: and Anato.

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Speaker 2: I read a very good apprecies today in New York Times.

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Speaker 2: Missing in Europe a strong leader for a new Trump era.

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Speaker 2: Everybody seems to think that Europe needs to be led

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Speaker 2: by France and or Germany. Both have got problems, both

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Speaker 2: look weak. That's not unfair, is it.

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Speaker 15: It's not unfair at all. Let's look at Germany for

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Speaker 15: a stance. The coalition government collapsed last week. They're still

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Speaker 15: jostling over when to have that confidence vote in Parliament.

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Speaker 15: Neither of the two parties have got sufficient support to

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Speaker 15: force that vote through yet, so they're jostling over that.

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Speaker 15: Will there be a vote of confidence before Christmas possibly,

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Speaker 15: but it could be back in mid January. So we've

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Speaker 15: got that your weak Germany there, you've got a week

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Speaker 15: France because you've got Emmanuel Macron, a lame duck present

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Speaker 15: that are not just unable to stand again, but has

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Speaker 15: also got this fractioned coalition government that they're trying to

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Speaker 15: push through budgets on and to get new laws through.

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Speaker 15: So yes, you've got those two what used to be

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Speaker 15: the traditional drivers for a strong Europe and for European integration.

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Speaker 2: They are both weak.

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Speaker 15: But I don't think he can take everything away off

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Speaker 15: the table.

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Speaker 4: Mike.

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Speaker 15: Here, you've got some very strong partnerships going on, particularly

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Speaker 15: the Baltic States and also the Nordics, Finland, Sweden of

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Speaker 15: course they've just joined NATO. You've also got Denmark and

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Speaker 15: the UK. You've got a lot of new groupings going on, Mike,

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Speaker 15: away from the EU and within NATO that look as

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Speaker 15: though they might be able to just hold together if

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Speaker 15: it does come to the crunch that they need to

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Speaker 15: stand up, not just a push in but also to

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Speaker 15: a new US president that does have news on the

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Speaker 15: future of NATO.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do, all right, I will come. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: we'll revisit the several times I have given the mess

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Speaker 2: in Amsterdam, which as far as I can work out,

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Speaker 2: are still going on there. And it's pere. They have

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Speaker 2: that overly and under control. What about France b Israel

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Speaker 2: and the football and how worried about that are we?

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Speaker 15: They're very worried. The France has around football match Thursday

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Speaker 15: night at the State de France. At least six thousand police,

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Speaker 15: military and security guards will be on duty, not just

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Speaker 15: at the State of France but across the French capital

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Speaker 15: for that let's have a look at it. Though only

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Speaker 15: twenty thousand tickets have been sold, eighty thousand capacity crowd.

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Speaker 15: Now a capacity crowd at that match might would normally

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Speaker 15: have around one thousand to one than three hundred security

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Speaker 15: and police and place. And that's how seriously they're taking it.

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Speaker 15: Just within the last couple of hours, the Israeli team

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Speaker 15: has arrived in Paris.

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Speaker 2: They are now being.

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Speaker 15: Protected by an elite tactical unit, this close protection unit

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Speaker 15: of the Paris Police. Essentially, what they're saying is there

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Speaker 15: is a risk of a threat of public order, public disorder,

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Speaker 15: security way and beyond. But also before that MIC on

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Speaker 15: Wednesday night in Paris. You also got this far right

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Speaker 15: pro Israel group that's going to have a gala event

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Speaker 15: here in Paris and support of Israel, so police are

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Speaker 15: concerned about that. And of course that's Wednesday. Thursday, you've

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Speaker 15: got the match, and then of course Friday there will

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Speaker 15: be many people going to the synagogues on that so

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Speaker 15: it's going to be three days where French police and

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Speaker 15: the military will be on full alert.

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Speaker 2: I also read the bells were ringing out Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: over the week.

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Speaker 15: Can wonderful. Yeah, the first time that was last week

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Speaker 15: and Keith and I actually also on Friday, MIC they're

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Speaker 15: bringing back one of the key statues, the statue of

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Speaker 15: a Lady of Notre Dame. She's going to be brought

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Speaker 15: back in on Friday, big processions, and it looks as

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Speaker 15: though it's all going to be coming together. We're starting

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Speaker 15: to see trucks arriving at Notre Dame bringing back some

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Speaker 15: of those paintings that survived the fire but needed to

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Speaker 15: be cleaned up afterwards. It's going to be great.

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Speaker 6: Fabe.

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Speaker 2: Let's catch up soon. I's shout at Catherine and celebrations

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Speaker 2: December from December seven and by the way, there's a

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Speaker 2: very good that piece. Look it up if you can,

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Speaker 2: be by the New York Times, and they think Maloney

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Speaker 2: could be the key player there because of course she's

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Speaker 2: aligned ideologically, of course to Trump, and she's turned out

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Speaker 2: to be a lot more successful than many people picked

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Speaker 2: her to be. But there's quoting a guy called John Flick,

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Speaker 2: who's a senior director with the European Center at the

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Speaker 2: Atlantic Council. The world is made up of herbivores and carnivals,

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Speaker 2: and if we decide to remain herber balls or carnnibals,

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Speaker 2: will and guess who's a carnibal. It is ten minutes

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Speaker 2: away from seven.

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Speaker 1: The costume Breakfast with the range Rover Villa News toss B.

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Speaker 2: There's a guy called Bill Ackman speaking of the Amsterdam situation,

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Speaker 2: the Dutch situation. He's a billionaire. He's a hedge fund

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Speaker 2: manager and he's in charge of think called Pershing Square Holdings.

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Speaker 2: Also Universal Music Group, which you will have heard of.

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Speaker 2: They're based in Amsterdam. But he's over a concentrating, he

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Speaker 2: said yesterday, concentrating the listing on one exchange, i e.

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Speaker 2: London and leaving a jurisdiction that fails to protect its

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Speaker 2: tourists and minority populations, combine both good business and moral principles.

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Speaker 2: What's he saying saying he's up and out. He's not

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Speaker 2: putting up with any of that nonsense. He's got better

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Speaker 2: things to do in better places. He's going to seek

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Speaker 2: approval from the Pershing Square Board to basically leave the

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Speaker 2: Dutch behind and go do business in London, five minutes

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Speaker 2: away from seven for the ins.

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Speaker 1: And the outs. It's the fiz with business fiber take

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Speaker 1: your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: I've got a survey by Gender at Work and the YWCA,

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Speaker 2: businesses risk losing a third of their younger workforce. We're

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Speaker 2: talking about the ZRs. He had ninety seven through twenty

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Speaker 2: twelve currently aged twelve through twenty seven. Pay them abum,

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Speaker 2: so sorry? Where was I? Surveyed? By Gender at Work

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Speaker 2: and YWCA businesses risk losing a third of the younger workforce,

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Speaker 2: especially women, if they have if they don't have inclusion policies.

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Speaker 2: So it's found that thirty eight percent of young women

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Speaker 2: experienced some sort of bullying and that of organizations didn't

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Speaker 2: have DEI inclusive ideas, then only fourteen percent were likely

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Speaker 2: to stay on their job, they'd be the same people

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Speaker 2: who are busy googling how to get out of America.

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Speaker 2: At the moment, I suspect.

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Speaker 10: Gen Z.

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Speaker 2: They reckon they'll make up a third of the workforce

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Speaker 2: by twenty thirty. That's not really a thing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: gen Z becomes something else, of course, don't they They

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Speaker 2: grow up and they change and they get older, and

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Speaker 2: you know, the people born today will end up in

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Speaker 2: the workforce and they're full of old sort of they'll

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Speaker 2: be eventually they'll be, you know, eighty percent of the workforce. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: they say workplace culture matters. And the survey that these

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Speaker 2: businesses that gen Z are working at, fifty one percent

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Speaker 2: report no professional development opportunities, which turns them off because

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Speaker 2: you know what they're like when they arrive on a Monday,

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Speaker 2: they want to be the CEO on Wednesday afternoon. Forty

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Speaker 2: six percent don't have any diversity or inclusion policies. I

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Speaker 2: find that hard to believe. That's a lot of people

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Speaker 2: who don't have inclusion policies. Forty percent say people are

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Speaker 2: called upon to do cultural services without extra pay. What's

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Speaker 2: a cultural service? Send in both and no extra pay.

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Speaker 4: That's one of those ones that I tick the box

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Speaker 4: it says I have no opinion.

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Speaker 2: Okay. When it COEs to cultural services, the survey says

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Speaker 2: if businesses change these things, then they are more likely

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Speaker 2: to keep gen Z staff way up to seventy four percent.

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Speaker 2: The big question is, of course, do you want to

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Speaker 2: keep Keen said stuff? Why don't they survey the people

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Speaker 2: who employ them and go see those little snot rags

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Speaker 2: you just employed? You want to keep them? I'll give

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Speaker 2: you some numbers around that. The apology today, I'm more

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Speaker 2: interested to be frank in the angst that's growing. And

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Speaker 2: do we have a can of worms? So yes, you

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Speaker 2: can do the apology and it will be heartfelt. And

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Speaker 2: I think the government's in the right place here. But

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Speaker 2: then inevitably and it's already started. What about the money?

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Speaker 2: How BIG's the check? What's it look like? Is there

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Speaker 2: an end to this? Or is there never an end?

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Got treaty of white hanging vibes about this? More on

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Speaker 2: this after the news, which is next to my Cosking.

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Speaker 1: Breakfast demanding the answers from the decision makers. It's a

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Speaker 1: News tod said, be.

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Speaker 2: Only seven past seven, so a day of national apology

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Speaker 2: are to survivors of abuse and care. Of course the

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Speaker 2: compensation still to be sought of, but today a significant start,

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Speaker 2: you would have thought. Cooper Legal is representing more than

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Speaker 2: sixteen hundred affected clients. Senior Associated Senior Associate Lydia Ostahoff

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Speaker 2: is with us. Lydia morning, good morning, thanks having me on,

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Speaker 2: not at all the people you represent. What's the feeling

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Speaker 2: so far, Well.

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Speaker 16: There's obviously it is the monumental day, so it's the

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Speaker 16: recognition of that we've come a long way to get

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Speaker 16: to where we are. But there's also in a sense

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Speaker 16: of apprehension because an apology means nothing if it doesn't

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Speaker 16: come with a commitment to change, and so our clients

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Speaker 16: they want the government to use this apology to show

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Speaker 16: how this this will not happen in the future. And

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Speaker 16: now we know that there's not going to be an

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Speaker 16: announcement about reading rest today. So unfortunately that's been quite

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Speaker 16: an upset for our clients because that was what they

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Speaker 16: were hoping for.

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Speaker 2: Was it unrealistic to expect I mean, this is a

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Speaker 2: massive thing. Is it unrealistic to it to I mean,

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Speaker 2: given an apology is easier to deliver. Literally, is it

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Speaker 2: unrealistic to expect, you know, here's a check and here's

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Speaker 2: how we're going to do it. I mean, this takes

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Speaker 2: time and you want to do it right, don't you?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 16: And I think what we've got to realize is, yes,

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Speaker 16: the final report was tabled in Parliament in July, but

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Speaker 16: the government, and this is successive government, have had the

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Speaker 16: interim redressed reports since December twenty twenty one, so we

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Speaker 16: went to nearly three years that that've had to try

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Speaker 16: and prepare for a redress scheme. So I think trying

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Speaker 16: to look at the July date is actually keewing dates

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Speaker 16: a little bit. So we've had quite a lot of

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Speaker 16: time and that time hasn't been used.

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Speaker 2: The law changes announced yesterday do they help? Are they

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Speaker 2: significant or not?

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Speaker 16: To be honest with you, Mike, I think they're a

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Speaker 16: bit of smoke and mirriage, a bit of a distraction. Really,

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Speaker 16: children can still be scanner searched, the strip searching. Yes,

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Speaker 16: we've been saying for years that's that's not a good thing.

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Speaker 16: But really the changes I think are deflecting from what

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Speaker 16: survivors have been calling for for months now, which is

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Speaker 16: redress and change, and I think this is just a

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Speaker 16: drop in the bucket and it's not really going to

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Speaker 16: And even if you look at the press release that

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Speaker 16: went out Minister Chaw said this was about keeping children

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Speaker 16: safe within the home, there was not one change to

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Speaker 16: the law the children safe within the home. It was

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Speaker 16: about use justice residences, it was about records, it was

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Speaker 16: about disabled adults. How is that talking about children keeping

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Speaker 16: children safe in the home. I really just think that

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Speaker 16: was a distraction.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we're going to get closure? How many

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Speaker 2: years down the track do you think it'll be I

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Speaker 2: can get you back on this program and go We're done,

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Speaker 2: it's finished, everyone's happy. Or do you think that will

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Speaker 2: never happen.

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Speaker 16: I'd love to say that, Yes, three years from now,

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Speaker 16: you can get me on the program and say, Mike,

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Speaker 16: I've got no work, I'm starting a new area of law.

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Speaker 16: I would love that. But unfortunately, at the moment, at

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Speaker 16: the rate that we're going, I think we're going to

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Speaker 16: be seeing this for the next decades. And I hate

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Speaker 16: to say that, but with small steps like what we

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Speaker 16: saw yesterday, that's not incremental change. That is not going

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Speaker 16: to keep children safe appreciate.

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Speaker 2: You time very much. Lydia Ostaff who's there Cooper Legal

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Speaker 2: Senior associate more with the Prime Minister of course, shortly

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Speaker 2: ten minutes past seven asking the city Council can put

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Speaker 2: an extra chair out. We've got Lindsay McKenzie. He's a

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Speaker 2: new Crown Monitor. He's a former boss of Tasman and

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Speaker 2: Gisban District Councilors. He starts tomorrow. He's in work until

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Speaker 2: July next year. The Local Government Minister Simeon Brown's with

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Speaker 2: usime in morning, Good morning. What's is riding instructions?

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Speaker 17: Well, a number of issues. Firstly, they are the councilor's

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Speaker 17: got dysfunction between personalities, so getting in their end, working

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Speaker 17: with the mayor and counselors to help them get on.

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Speaker 17: He's done that job as him the Cargo District Council

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Speaker 17: a couple of years ago, so that's one of his jobs.

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Speaker 17: And now there is around the long term plan which

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Speaker 17: the council's decided to throw out and start again, and

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Speaker 17: providing an external pair set of advice to assist the

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Speaker 17: council in terms of the decisions they need to make.

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Speaker 17: But ultimately the councilors and the mayor are elected democratically,

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Speaker 17: they are still accountable and responsible for the decisions they made.

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Speaker 2: How many How often does he come back to you?

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Speaker 17: I'll begetting monthly reports from him, That's what I've asked

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Speaker 17: under the terms of reference, to a monthly report back

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Speaker 17: to me and then a final report at the end

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Speaker 17: of his term, which will be the thirty first of

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Speaker 17: July next year, or will it.

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Speaker 10: Well.

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Speaker 17: Ultimately, there's an election next year for the local councils,

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Speaker 17: so the mayor and the councilors will be up for reelection. Ultimately.

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Speaker 17: The key point here is that they have decided to

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Speaker 17: re litigate the entire long term plan, throw it out

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Speaker 17: and start again, and that's created some significant concern around

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Speaker 17: the financial position of the council. I've put an observer

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Speaker 17: in there too assist the council and a mute with

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Speaker 17: an external set of advice, and someone else who can

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Speaker 17: look at things with a fresh pair of eyes, who's

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Speaker 17: not been part of the all the drama over the

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Speaker 17: last little while, and not to provide them an extra

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Speaker 17: extra set of advice. Ultimately up to them as to

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Speaker 17: whether or not they take that on board. But that

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Speaker 17: person will be there to assist and also to report

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Speaker 17: back to me as to what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Let's hope it works to me and Brown appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Local government minister with us this morning twelve minutes past seven,

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Speaker 2: fundamentally opposed to each other. And I noted yesterday David

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Speaker 2: Seymour and I think even Christopher Luxen's open to meeting

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Speaker 2: these protests and people when they finally get to Wellington.

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Speaker 2: But the protests people said, why would we bother? It's

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Speaker 2: a waste of time. And when you're that distant in

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Speaker 2: an argument, you know, wat's a bloke sitting in the

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Speaker 2: corner looking at you going to change of anything. Weird.

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Speaker 2: A story of the day yesterday was this bloke, Aaron Smail.

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Speaker 2: Didn't you think Aaron Smail's journalist, who seems to specialize

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Speaker 2: in this area of the child abuse, has been covering

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Speaker 2: it for some eight years, wants it to be at

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Speaker 2: part element Today Jerry Brownley speaker declined his accreditation application.

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Speaker 2: Everyone went, well, what's that about? Jerry. Turns out that

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Speaker 2: back in July there was a bit of a back

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Speaker 2: and forward between mister Smail and mister Luxon at the

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Speaker 2: press conference. After the press conference, the Beehive complained to Newsroom.

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Speaker 2: Newsroom's a website which mister Smayleer works for, apparently about

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Speaker 2: his persistent and forceful questioning. Now, if that's what you're

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Speaker 2: complaining about, grow a backbone with suggestions it was rude

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Speaker 2: and police at the event had been watching the reporter.

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Speaker 2: There was more on mister smail. There was also an

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Speaker 2: interaction in Palmerston North where the government was touting its

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Speaker 2: book camps for young offenders. Mister Smaile, was there any

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Speaker 2: press Karen Shaw Minister over whether it had been appropriate

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Speaker 2: to associate the memory of the Marray Battalion with the

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Speaker 2: new youth justice program. Once again that would perhaps a

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Speaker 2: little edgy, little angsty. Newsroom, for their part, said basically

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Speaker 2: it was standard questioning and the government shouldn't be afraid

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Speaker 2: to feel a little bit uncomfortable by the media asking

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Speaker 2: a few tough questions. So then Jason Walls our Jason Walls,

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Speaker 2: who's the head of the press gallery. He says, I'm appealing,

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Speaker 2: at which point Jerry then back down apparently and all's

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Speaker 2: been smoothed over. So something weird happened there.

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Speaker 4: It was a terrible Jason Walls and.

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Speaker 2: It was shocking, wasn't it. But I haven't done a

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Speaker 2: lot of Jason Walls, so I'm going to have to

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Speaker 2: work on it. Fourteen past.

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Speaker 1: The High Asking Breakfast Fall Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: At b seventeen past seven. The bloke who invented Siri,

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Speaker 2: which is quite the thing to be able to say.

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Speaker 2: You're standing at a party, goer, what do you do? Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm an entrepreneur because he is these days because he

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Speaker 2: sold sire for quite a lot of money. Then you

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Speaker 2: become an entrepreneur and come up with interesting other ideas.

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Speaker 2: Some of his other ideas are actually quite interesting as well.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, you're standing at the party and go, what'd

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Speaker 2: you do it? While I invented Siri? Anyway, he's in

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Speaker 2: the country. Guy called Tom gruberries with us after eight

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Speaker 2: o'clock seventeen pass very big day for the old hometown.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Addington fires up for Cup Day. Addington Raceway

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Speaker 2: CEO Brian Thompson's with us. Brian Morning god a Mike

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Speaker 2: gone very well, I stated very boldly on the program yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm right on this. I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: ever rained on race day, has it?

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Speaker 15: No.

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Speaker 18: I think the first year I was here, back in

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Speaker 18: war twenty eleven, we had a bit of a sprinkle

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Speaker 18: before eleven, but that was its day.

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Speaker 2: Was a cracker and today's today's gorgeous.

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Speaker 18: Today's a typical Canterbury spring day, full of sunshine, eighteen

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Speaker 18: nineteen degrees, light breeze, perfect day for racing.

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Speaker 2: Are you in the fashion in the field this year?

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Speaker 19: Brian?

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Speaker 2: Have you dressed yourself up a bit?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I'm cranking a pretty good suit at the moment,

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Speaker 18: but it won't be entering. Got to make it fair

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Speaker 18: for everyone else.

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Speaker 2: Very good. I like a man of confidence. What's this

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Speaker 2: twenty five dollars versus forty dollar thing? Was that a

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Speaker 2: cost of living idea? And clearly it's worked?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, one hundred percent. So I think these days there's

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Speaker 18: so many choices out there for people to go to

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Speaker 18: events and experience different entertainment. I think what we try

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Speaker 18: to do is just to give everyone the opportunity to

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Speaker 18: get here and enjoy the racing aspect of its definitely worked.

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Speaker 2: How many people are you expecting?

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Speaker 13: Odd?

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Speaker 18: We're set up for about fifteen thousand, so if we

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Speaker 18: can get near to that will be pretty happy.

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Speaker 2: Nice stuff. Will you go well and enjoy it? Brian,

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Speaker 2: appreciate it very much. Brian Thompson, who's cranking a pretty

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Speaker 2: good suit this morning. I like his style. Do you

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Speaker 2: want to get into the business of airlines that arrive

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Speaker 2: and depart on time? Or should we just leave the

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Speaker 2: text machine off that for a moment, because I've got

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Speaker 2: some numbers for you for September. On time performance OTP

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Speaker 2: is what they call it, seventy nine point seven percent departures,

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Speaker 2: ninety one point seven percent arrivals. For Air New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: they're doing pretty well. Air New Zealand's cancelation rate was

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Speaker 2: one point four percent. So if I said to you,

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Speaker 2: how are you going with a good old Air New

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Speaker 2: Zealand in terms of the old cancelation rate, you go ar,

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Speaker 2: it's a disasters. So they haven't got any engine, they

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Speaker 2: haven't got any planes. If you tried leaving Blenham lately

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Speaker 2: cancelation rate one point four percent, you go no way,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't you? You go that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 8: You know what.

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Speaker 2: Jetstar's cancelation rate is zero, zero point six percent. Of

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Speaker 2: course they don't operate that many flights. Who in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's got a natural disadvantage quantas they do it at

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Speaker 2: eighty percent of the time, so they're slightly better, but

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Speaker 2: not much. US domestically, you'd go, what would you go?

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Speaker 2: In the US? You go US nineteen seventy three, seventy

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Speaker 2: five percent of domestic flights operated on time. Hawaiian's the

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Speaker 2: best at eighty six delta at seventy eight southwest to

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Speaker 2: seventy eight. What I'm trying to do is paint you

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Speaker 2: a picture that broadly speaking, the issues faced here are

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Speaker 2: the same issues all over the world, and by and

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Speaker 2: large it's probably not as bad as you think. What

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Speaker 2: do you disagree? Seven twenty.

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Speaker 2: seven twenty three. We are not unique, but we are

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Speaker 2: most definitely different from the way we were. Once again, Ah,

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Speaker 2: once again, we're into exam season. Once again, the flurry

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Speaker 2: be seen. So what has happened? Is it possible the

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Speaker 2: possible because of the way we teach it's too rote

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Speaker 2: In other words, you can parrot back what has just

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Speaker 2: been said to you, but you can't extrapolate it out.

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Speaker 2: Is it also possible that exams and entry to university

866
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: has become such a big deal The whole of the

867
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Speaker 2: future of your life is flashing in front of your eyes,

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Speaker 2: and unless it appears to have gone well, you have

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Speaker 2: no future. Perhaps my advantage was I wasn't going to university.

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Speaker 2: Eye was out into the world to get on with it,

871
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Speaker 2: and what I needed was university entrants, preferably endorsed, and

872
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 2: that would give me, at the very least a foot

873
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: in the door of a job. Yes, exams seemed hard,

874
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: of course they did. Yes, a lot of people were nervous,

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Speaker 2: And yes, a lot of people after the exam as

876
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Speaker 2: we wandered off home, either ran the line that it

877
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Speaker 2: was a nightmare and I don't stand a chance, or

878
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: that was so easy, I couldn't believe my luck. And

879
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: we ran those lines, by the way, no matter what

880
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: it actually happened, because we were full of it. But

881
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: what we didn't do was melt down. The media didn't

882
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 2: cover the fallout. We had no headlines. We were simply

883
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: kids doing exams and sometimes they went well and sometimes

884
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: they didn't. I wish I knew then.

885
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Speaker 6: What I know now.

886
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: School is but a fleeting moment in time that will

887
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: seem increasingly irrelevant, although it's your whole world, or at

888
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: least a decent chunk of your world when you're a kid.

889
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: Of course, ultimately it will all be put into perspective.

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00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: Life in its success is rarely, if ever, defined by

891
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Speaker 2: what you did in year twelve or thirteen, or Form

892
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: six and Form seven. Maybe we could teach a little

893
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 2: more of that, Lasky, like this abuse business happened years ago.

894
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: Move on, great thought, So you got your house invaded

895
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 2: and all your stuff got taken and your house got torched.

896
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: And then the police come to you three and a

897
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: half years later and go we finally track them down.

898
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: You go, oh that now I was years ago. Move on,

899
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Speaker 2: Speaking of houses, do you want some numbers this morning?

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Speaker 2: QB House Price Index three months to the end of October.

901
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: I know you're fizzing because it's Christmas. Average price nine

902
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: hundred and two hundred and thirty one dollars. How does

903
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: that sound to you? Still severely constricted by strong economic

904
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: headwinds despite recent interest rate reductions. That's the view of

905
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: what's going on Auckland for the three months down a

906
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: smedge less than a percent point eight christ to point

907
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: two Hamilton point six, tow wrong is material one point

908
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: six down? Don't be too depressed. The Stun's still shining

909
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: and the mount's still good. Wellington two point three, good

910
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Speaker 2: old Wellington. That Crown Monitor will help, though. I think

911
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: once the Crown Monitor starts to day, house prices will rise.

912
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Speaker 2: It's my pick. Three urban areas have gone up. Nelson

913
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: Boom one point three, Queenstown one point two, fungar Ray

914
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Speaker 2: zero point three. There has been a marked in the

915
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Speaker 2: writer call this couple of weeks ago, I said, watch,

916
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Speaker 2: there's been a marked increase in consumer confidence, notable mindset

917
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Speaker 2: shift in recent times. I'm feeling better. How about you? First,

918
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: I'm feeling better now than I felt all year, and

919
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: I felt pretty bloody good all year. To be frank,

920
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: first time home buyers. Gosh, who would have thought they're

921
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: the largest, most active by group. But what happened to

922
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: all those stories about them not being able to afford

923
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: a house and being locked out of the market? Hold on,

924
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: what happened there? Could that be fake news? Don't you worry?

925
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: Trump's onto that hill? A pointers are of fake news,

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Speaker 2: Christopher Luxens, But moments away.

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Speaker 1: Your trusted source for news and fews, the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

928
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: It's with the range Rover, the la designed to intrigue.

929
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Speaker 1: Can use togs, that'd be m Mike.

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00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: Mister Luckson needs to grow up peer and show less

931
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: support for the hecoy bs and a little more for

932
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Speaker 2: David Seymour, who's sticking up for all New Zealanders, which

933
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Speaker 2: is what mister Luckson was elected to do. Here's the

934
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Speaker 2: interesting thing for me, and I tried to articulate it

935
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: the other day. Briefly, what I think with the evolution

936
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: of MMP as happening in front of our eyes we

937
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Speaker 2: just haven't realized it yet, is at long last we're

938
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Speaker 2: reaching a level of maturity for the mixed member of

939
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Speaker 2: proportional system. Because what's happened traditionally, and if you go

940
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Speaker 2: back for several governments, occasionally you got a small party

941
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Speaker 2: in the small parties would sit around their four five

942
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Speaker 2: six percent? Do they make it back? Do they not?

943
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: The supplied to Act, the supply to and that's where

944
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: they came up with a special APSOM deal. It applied

945
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Speaker 2: to New Zealand. First the Green seem to have cemented

946
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: themselves in a permanent five plus sort of situation. Now

947
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: the Maori Party will never be five plus, so they

948
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Speaker 2: need the electorate seat of Yat the point being, it

949
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 2: sort of never really worked the way it was supposed to.

950
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: In other words, you were supposed to get this flourishing

951
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: array of smallish parties that had the potential to turn

952
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: them to medium sized parties have a sort of a

953
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: permanent presence in the political landscape, and then we'd all

954
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: choose from that. And then occasionally in the Murray Party's

955
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: a very good example, and the Peter Sharples. Of course,

956
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: when they did get to government, we all decided we

957
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: didn't like the small parties and they vanished. So you

958
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: got to government, then you have disappeared. That now seems

959
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: to be changing. And my theory is this, my working

960
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: theory at the moment, is that these two parties in government,

961
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Speaker 2: the smaller parties act in New Zealand first, are going

962
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: to as long as things hold together, cement themselves in

963
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: a permanent basis on the New Zealand political landscape. In

964
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: other words, we will be able to work out subliminally

965
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: or not, that three people can work together comparatively, cohesively,

966
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: and we can still vote for them, still look at

967
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: their options, and they can still be individuals ideologically in

968
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: policy wise and offer a selection of ideas for the voter.

969
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 2: And that is no bad thing if you broadly support MMP.

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00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: What will happen at the moment, And I think this

971
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 2: is the stalking horse, the trojan horse, This particular bill

972
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 2: of David Seymore's, it's not going to work this time,

973
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: but he's going to take it to twenty twenty six,

974
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: and I think it will be worth some votes, and

975
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 2: it will be worth some votes at the expense of National,

976
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: who I think David Seymour is right and saying are

977
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: a bit scared to deal with the hard stuff. I

978
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: might be wrong, but I don't think I am anyway.

979
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: The point of that being is that we will see

980
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: National as a centrist largish party. They will not be

981
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,959
Speaker 2: as large as they have been normal Labor ever again.

982
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: And then we will see ACT as a sort of

983
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: a libertarian type party with some specific policies that we

984
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: may or may not be interested in. Same applies to

985
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: New Zealand first, and I think that's how MMP's unfolding.

986
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: Why am I telling you the story at this particular

987
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: point in time, Well developments, Christopher Luxen is not able

988
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: to be with us. I tried very hard and I

989
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: thought it was a half decent idea. He's due on

990
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 2: the phone in two one now seven forty on the

991
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 2: dot with mister d Trump of Well marri Lago currently

992
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: shortly to be Washington. Anyway, if that call goes ahead

993
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: on time, which it's supposed to be literally ringing our hello,

994
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: that's supposed to be happening now, it won't be, of course,

995
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: because Crump's never been on time in his life. So

996
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: my idea was to get luxon on a couple of

997
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: moments ago, go good morning, start chatting, and he was

998
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 2: going to go, Mike, Mike, I've got to go, I've

999
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: got to go. Donald's on the phone, at which point

1000
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: I would have gone, no problem, give us a call

1001
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: back when you're done.

1002
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 4: In fact, more realistically, given what we've seen of Trump's

1003
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 4: appearances in the past, because we watch them pretty closely,

1004
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 4: here you get the appearing soon across the bottom of

1005
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: the screen, that goes for about they use that for

1006
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,959
Speaker 4: about two hours exactly, and then they change to any

1007
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 4: moment exactly, and that goes for about another half an

1008
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 4: hour to forty five minutes, and then Trump appears. So

1009
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 4: really we could have talked to the Prime minister probably

1010
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 4: for about an hour and a half.

1011
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: My bet his luck is not going to be on

1012
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: the phone before nine o'clock, and that's going to interfere

1013
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: with the apology for the day and the whole thing. Anyway,

1014
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: point being, he's supposed to be on the phone right

1015
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: now with Donald Trump. Now here's the good news. Once

1016
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: he's finished with the call. The reason he couldn't come on.

1017
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: There are two reasons he couldn't come on initially to

1018
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: go Hi. You know, I've got to go and talk

1019
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: to Donald There are two reasons. One he's got no

1020
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: sense of humor. Because I see I said, come on,

1021
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: come on to the program, let's do it. He goes,

1022
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: we can't need that. And the other reason was he's

1023
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: got to have a briefing, a briefing for a phone call, like,

1024
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: here are the things that you know, Who's what do

1025
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: you reckon? Donald Trump's going to raise who would know?

1026
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 2: Guarantee you and I will ask him this, how long

1027
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 2: through the phone call was it before Donald Trump raised

1028
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: Bob Charles and or Lydia Coe? Because I guarantee you

1029
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: he's going to do that. Anyway. The upshot of that

1030
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 2: is Luxeon's on the phone with Donald Trump, allegedly as

1031
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: we speak. The moment he hangs up the phone, he's

1032
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: going to ring us back and he's going to tell

1033
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: us all about it.

1034
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Speaker 4: Do you reckon? He give us all Bob Charles in

1035
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Speaker 4: the shower.

1036
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: Good question that if I was Luxon, That's what I'd

1037
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: throw to lighten the mood. Was he like Arnold Palmer

1038
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Speaker 2: or not? Really?

1039
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Speaker 1: Eighteen two good the Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast

1040
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

1041
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Speaker 2: It'd be seven forty five. Let me come to Winston

1042
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Speaker 2: Peters in a moment, who's been making headlines in Australia

1043
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 2: in the last couple of days, just to quickly update

1044
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: you on Trump, not the phone call, but home and

1045
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: you know, but of course he's the borders are Staphanic

1046
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: Elease congresswoman who's going to be the representative at the

1047
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: United Nations for the United States. The Senate Republicans are

1048
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: going to be voting on a secret ballot on Thursday

1049
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: as to who they want to lead them are Rick

1050
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: Scott's the hot ticket. The thinking is Rick Scott's very

1051
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: aligned with Trump, and that's going to be important because

1052
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: it is generally suggested that to do some of the

1053
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 2: stuff he wants to do, particularly on tariffs in the Senate,

1054
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: he's going to need the void, the filibuster, or if

1055
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: he's got to get to the sixty votes, remembering, of

1056
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: course there's one hundred votes in the Senate, and he

1057
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: does need the filibuster or in other word, sixty votes,

1058
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: he is going to need somebody like Rick Scott to

1059
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: whip them into shape. As regards the House, they currently

1060
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: need to eighteen. They've got to fifteen. This is the

1061
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: lower The Republicans have got two fifteen and the Dems

1062
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: have got to ten. So they're still working on that

1063
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: as to the final vote and the final makeup, but

1064
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: it looks like the Republicans are going to retain the House.

1065
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: They've flipped the Senate and they've got the White House meantime.

1066
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: Also interesting is Trump's team refused to comment on the

1067
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Speaker 2: alleged phone call with the Kremlin. I say alleged because

1068
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Speaker 2: the Kremlin said there was no phone call. So that's weird.

1069
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: Let's come to Winston Peters has been in Australia making headlines.

1070
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Speaker 2: So he's blasted the Australian government's inquiry into the handling

1071
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Speaker 2: of the pandemic. So we reported on the pro again,

1072
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: was it two weeks ago something like that? Possibly only

1073
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: a week ago they put the report out. The most

1074
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Speaker 2: significant thing about the COVID inquiry in Australia was one

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Speaker 2: they got it out in front of us. He would

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00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 2: criticize that and has done so. But the biggest point

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00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: was it's lot the people have lost trust. In other words,

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00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: of a pandemic came along again, and let's be frank,

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00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: probably will Would it be the same as last time?

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00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 2: My aunt's was yes, given that basically it's luck as

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00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 2: to who's running the country at the time, and if

1082
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: it was the same as last time, how much of

1083
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: it would you go along with? And the answer is

1084
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 2: next to none, and that in that is the real problem.

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00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: So Peters, having arrived in Australia, said, you guys haven't

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00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 2: had a review, You've had a whitewash, and I'm out

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00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: to make sure it doesn't happen in my country. We're

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00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: going to get to the truth. Obvious question at that

1089
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 2: particular point in time, and of lux and terms after

1090
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: the phone call, the question what is the truth? He's

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00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: talking obviously and referencing things like vaccines. Our response became

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00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: a disaster. This is Peter's talking to the Australian media.

1093
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: Became a disaster over time and as basic factual incredulities

1094
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: were ignored in a bit to stamp out the virus.

1095
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: Shutting schools, he argues for extended periods was a damaging decision.

1096
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: Children were the least vulnerable and we know that, and

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00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: we shut the whole thing down. Mind you remember he

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00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 2: was coming out of the government of course seventeen through twenty.

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00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 2: The cost in New Zealand is that we're still struggling

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00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: to come out of that malaise that is scentuated by

1101
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: our massive levels of truancy. If we hadn't closed our

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00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: primary schools, that would not have happened. But there's an

1103
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: unwillingness to say we got it wrong, and I think

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00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 2: that's the strongest point. There is an unwillingness to say

1105
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: we got it wrong when we eventually produce our Royal

1106
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: Commissions Report numbers one and two. Lord knows when that is.

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00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: Do you think anybody at the time your hipkins Eurodoerns,

1108
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: if we can find it, are going to go yep.

1109
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: Probably an excellent point. We apologize we wouldn't do the

1110
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: same again. Or is that particular aport going to get

1111
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: stuck on a shelf somewhere The trans Tasman relationship, He

1112
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: moves on to other areas. The trans Tasman relationship has

1113
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 2: been strained, he says, by the Alderneezy government's adoption of

1114
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: the new immigration rule. This is Direction one p one

1115
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: zero one ten, which replaced Direction ninety nine. This is

1116
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 2: the five ozho Ones, of course, and he got himself

1117
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: in dreadful trouble, so he changed the rules. Australia's had

1118
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: a massive beneficiary, or been a massive beneficiary of New

1119
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: Zealand's education and skill system, and Australia needed to recognize

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00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 2: that more openly and more often. So that's that's Winston

1121
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: Peter's little sojourn to Australia to put them right. And

1122
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: can I just be frank and saying this, I'm more

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00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: in love with Winston Peter's every day. I think he's

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00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: at a point in his life where he doesn't give

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00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: the monkeys. He's on a bit of a roll. Things

1126
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: are going well for him. He's behaving nicely in a coalition.

1127
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: He speaks as mine and God bless them for doing that.

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Speaker 4: Man, you keep going on like that, He's going to

1129
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 4: start getting your name right.

1130
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Speaker 2: Ten minutes away from eight the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

1131
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 2: Bailey's Real Estate Hugh's talk, said Mike, speaking of reports

1132
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: that have been buried, what about that reporting of the

1133
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 2: misuse of sensus started by the Murray Party in the

1134
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: last election. That's not been buried, It hasn't been produced.

1135
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: They asked, I can't remember about a month ago for

1136
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: all extra time, and they got it, Mike. Fonterras received

1137
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: strong interest from global brands, but are looking at a

1138
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: fast sale. I don't know where you're getting a fast sale.

1139
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: They're not looking at a fast sale forever at all,

1140
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,479
Speaker 2: so they're considering an IPO. What bollocks. An IPO takes

1141
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: age is quite correct, and so the sale's not happening

1142
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 2: until at least next year. They're selling everything, even the

1143
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: Sri Lanka business. I don't think that's true. I think

1144
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 2: yesterday they carved out Sri Lanka, and I think something

1145
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 2: in India, and I might be making this up, but

1146
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: I think there was something small in Africa as well. Anyway,

1147
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 2: clearly they've messed it up, and the farmers are saying

1148
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 2: sell the brands. China's dumped and the farmers would rather

1149
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: plant trees and way through at mud at five am

1150
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: every day.

1151
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 6: What I sin it.

1152
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 2: I think that my only regret is that they're selling

1153
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: off something quite valuable and when the right people get

1154
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 2: the right hands on it. The good thing about an IPO,

1155
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: by the way, would be that Fonterra, as I understand it,

1156
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: would retain some sort of interest in the company going forward,

1157
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: and I don't think that that's any bad thing, which

1158
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: brings as, by the way, just very quickly grateful and

1159
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 2: get through some of the back stuff I've been trying

1160
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 2: to They've got fifty thousand soldiers are massed. Many of

1161
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: these are North Koreans. This is the war. Many of

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00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: these are North Koreans, and they've managed The important thing

1163
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 2: is they've managed to mass these troops without pulling any

1164
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: one out of the rest of the war in Kursk.

1165
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: So they've got a whole new force. So it's going

1166
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 2: to be interesting to see. And nobody seems to be

1167
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: noticed that. Nobody seems to have been bothered by the

1168
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,959
Speaker 2: North Koreans joining the war. I mean, they've all gone,

1169
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: that's not really good. What we going to do about this?

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00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: But they haven't done anything. No one's actually done anything

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00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: about it. North Koreas entered the war with troops who

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00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: are about to march, and nobody seems sort of do.

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00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 4: You think they're waiting to see whether it's really going

1174
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 4: to be in an advantage to putin or it might

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00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 4: be an advantage to Ukraine blow? I mean, how good

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Speaker 4: are they I mean, I get that they're really good

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Speaker 4: at marching perfectly in time, kicking their legs high in

1178
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 4: the air, but they're going to help them in a

1179
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 4: drone fight.

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Speaker 2: A very good question, by the way, how long this

1181
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: is the question for the morning. How long would you

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Speaker 2: know La Crusee? You know the cookware, it's good cookware,

1183
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: but how long would you queue for it? So a's

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00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: a sale in Britain over the weekend and the que

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00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: was four hours, and you go, well, was it a bargain?

1186
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: And the bargain it was fifty percent? It was a

1187
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: fifty percent off sale. So La Crusee is about as

1188
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: good as it gets. So if you're into cookwar and

1189
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and I've looked at kitchens that other

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00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: people have been in and they've enjoyed the experience of

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00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: La Crusee, and fifty percent are reasonable there. So you

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00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: buy a cast iron round casserole pot for three hundred

1193
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: instead of six hundred, so you're thinking, oh, yeah, why

1194
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't you. You can buy a winey orator and poorer

1195
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: for twelve dollars instead of forty, So but the question

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00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: is would you queue for four hours? It also involved,

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00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: unfortunately the police, because they had to do a couple

1198
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: of things. Clear of the traffic, because the traffic was

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00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: backed up for miles. And also people started in the

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00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: four hour Q And this is my reason for asking

1201
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: the question how long before you get really edgy? And

1202
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 2: obviously four hours was too long. Hence the people started

1203
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: getting edgy, and of course the police were called in

1204
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: to calm things down.

1205
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 4: But is this the first edition of Mike Hoskin's Christmas

1206
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 4: Gift Guide?

1207
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: You can do a lot worse. It's a good point.

1208
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 2: You can do a lot worse than the crusee. La

1209
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: crusae is one of those things you buy for the

1210
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: person who loves to cook and who's always in the kitchen.

1211
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: And and the other thing about La Crusee is that

1212
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: you can never have too much La Crusee.

1213
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 4: Well, I like the way that you can get it

1214
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 4: in whatever color you want.

1215
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: I like orange original orange.

1216
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 4: Well, that doesn't seem to be an option. There's azure.

1217
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: What's that is that blue? Yes, it's nice meringue. Is

1218
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: that orange?

1219
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 4: No, that's a sort of a creamy color. No, you've

1220
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 4: got your shell pink. I thought you'd be into the

1221
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 4: shell pink. Actually, for some reason, I don't know why,

1222
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 4: I thought you'd like that the most. A garnet that's

1223
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 4: a red, that's me.

1224
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: But deep flint is that black.

1225
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 4: It's more of a gray. But then there's a satin

1226
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 4: black that seems to be the way.

1227
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: It's the only way to go to orange. Is Tom

1228
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: Gruber available to us this morning? Tom Gruber is coming on.

1229
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: Tom Gruber invented Siri. Now there's a claim Luxon's on

1230
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: the phone to Trump. Tom Gruber invented Surri.

1231
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 4: Hang on, They've got volcanic. That's orange.

1232
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: Okay, good news is next Tom's next.

1233
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: Setting and digging in are the issues? Is the Mic

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01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, your local experts across residential,

1235
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: commercial and rural news togs dead by.

1236
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: Just for the record, I think I'm on a roll.

1237
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: We were told a moment ago that Luxem will be

1238
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 2: here five passed, Then it was ten past, Now it's

1239
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: twenty five passed. And the point being, the call, as

1240
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: we're correctly surmised, never came through on time at twenty two,

1241
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: and I think was never going to. But we'll keep

1242
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: your post at seven past day. But of a deep

1243
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: guard in the meantime and AWAI for you is it

1244
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: going to change the world or not? Does anyone actually

1245
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: know whether it's going to change the world or not?

1246
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 6: Now?

1247
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 2: Tom Gruber is a computer scientist, psychologist, co founder of Siri,

1248
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 2: which is quite the claim Sury got sold of course

1249
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 2: to Apple. These days, he's an entrepreneur and co founder

1250
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 2: of an adaptive music company called life Score. He's in

1251
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 2: the country as part of Sparks, Ascalerate, Summits and Tom Grubers.

1252
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: Where's Tom Nice to meet?

1253
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 10: Good mining?

1254
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: The window when you come up with something brilliant is

1255
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 2: how big before you know somebody else is going to

1256
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: copy it?

1257
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 6: Ha?

1258
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 10: Well, the interesting thing about the brilliant idea of it

1259
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 10: wasn't ours. It had that idea of a personal assistant

1260
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 10: had been around since nineteen eighty seven. But what the

1261
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 10: window was for us was taking the time in history

1262
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 10: when the technology was ready, and that's what we did.

1263
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 10: And then we jumped on it. And we had only

1264
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 10: two years to build it before everyone could see it

1265
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 10: in the world and copy it.

1266
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: So what was the skill building it or seeing the window?

1267
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 10: Both? Actually it took a team, a small team, only

1268
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 10: twenty four people, but we saw the exact time when

1269
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 10: a set of technologies were ready, just barely good enough,

1270
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 10: and we went full speed on building out a thing

1271
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 10: and it worked, and nobody believed it could work, and

1272
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 10: then we showed it could, and then everyone believed they could.

1273
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: Did you build it to sell it?

1274
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 6: No?

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01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 10: No, we built it to build up a real company.

1276
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 10: We had a really good business in e commerce on

1277
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 10: the on the phone and were We started working on

1278
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 10: this when the iPhone one came out, so at the

1279
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 10: very beginning of the modern mobile error, and we really

1280
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 10: thought that's what we're going to do. But hey, when

1281
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 10: Steve Jobs gives you a car, well it says, hey,

1282
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 10: you want to join forces with us?

1283
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 19: It's hard to.

1284
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 10: Turn that down.

1285
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,439
Speaker 2: Exactly. Did it change your life?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely? I mean my career ambition was to have impact.

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Speaker 10: They have a lot of people's lives changed and it

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Speaker 10: became an exponential bend in the curve impact when we

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Speaker 10: joined forces with am really.

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Speaker 2: Interesting that you say that, And I sort of knew

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Speaker 2: you would because I've read about you and you seem

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Speaker 2: to be looking to use tech for good? Is that fair?

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Speaker 10: Definitely on the side of humanity. Yeah, we're there's tech

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Speaker 10: for optimization for say, corporate profits, and then this tech

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Speaker 10: for making people's lives better and it's easier to do

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Speaker 10: that look.

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Speaker 2: For that, which is the interface that fascinates me most. So,

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Speaker 2: a good guy like you wants to do well by tech,

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Speaker 2: but the world is dominated by people who love the

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Speaker 2: bottom line more. How do they coexist?

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Speaker 10: Well, it's very possible, especially in AI, where there's a

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Speaker 10: limited talent pool, you can actually attract the very best

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Speaker 10: people by having a higher goal. For example, open ai

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01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 10: was originally founded as a nonprofit to give the benefits

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Speaker 10: of AI to the world, and that's what attracted the

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Speaker 10: very best AI scientists, which created the modern aichatbot.

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Speaker 2: But I'm sure they said that when the invented the

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Speaker 2: net as well, didn't they? And yet look what's happened

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Speaker 2: to the net, the nest, the net, the Internet, Oh,

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Speaker 2: the Internet.

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Speaker 10: Well, actually that's very true. That's thirty years ago now,

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Speaker 10: and hey, it did do some good things in the world.

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Speaker 10: Did you connect us? It did change our collective mind.

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Speaker 10: Unfortunately you didn't. You didn't anticipate social media and what

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Speaker 10: that would do to journalism and we that would do

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Speaker 10: to our social consciousness.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. I'm not a techie like you, but here's my

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Speaker 2: view of AI. AI will ultimately prove to be very

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Speaker 2: broadly speaking, about the same as most other really big

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Speaker 2: advances in tech. In other words, it won't be as

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Speaker 2: transformative as you think, but it won't be as non transformative.

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Speaker 2: It'll be somewhere in the middle. Is that a reasonable

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Speaker 2: guess at this point in time.

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Speaker 10: I would put my chips on the more transformative end

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Speaker 10: of that. It's different than most technologies, and it is

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Speaker 10: omni purpose. You can do all kinds of things pretty

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Speaker 10: much anything involving language on the input and language on

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Speaker 10: the output with this new technology, and that introduces but

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Speaker 10: it cuts across all vertical industries. But anyone, anybody who

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Speaker 10: has knowledge workers in their business, which is everybody, is

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Speaker 10: going to be impacted.

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Speaker 2: It bought for good or bad? And how extreme do

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Speaker 2: you think, Well.

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Speaker 10: There's two kinds of good and bad. I mean, the

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Speaker 10: bad that really worries me a lot is the sort

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Speaker 10: of unleashing deep fakes that dissolves people ability to know

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Speaker 10: it's true and false, or you know, dangerous weaponized bought

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Speaker 10: technologies that can break into our security and everything. Those

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Speaker 10: things are tough and their system problems. But the other

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Speaker 10: bad that maybe we're looking at Zealand. First, you know,

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Speaker 10: everyone's worried about you're done and seeing job loss and

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Speaker 10: so on. You know, the business cycle itself is causing that,

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Speaker 10: but people are worried that AI will too. And that's

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Speaker 10: the case where the humanistic AI approach says, you can

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Speaker 10: invest your efforts and attention and money in areas where

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Speaker 10: the AIS amplifying and changing existing human labor rather.

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Speaker 2: Than seen it right, explain to me in a way

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Speaker 2: that I can understand it might and so you go

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Speaker 2: back to something like Siri. These things are only as

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Speaker 2: good as what they tap into. So in other words,

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Speaker 2: when I say, Siri, find me a recipe for tomato

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Speaker 2: soup that trolls the net, if it's not on the net,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't give you a decent answer. Does AI fundamentally

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Speaker 2: and profoundly change.

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Speaker 6: That or not?

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Speaker 10: That kind of thing is essentially going to be the same.

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Speaker 10: It's a slightly better interface to information retrieval then say

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Speaker 10: just blue links and Google, but it is there's much

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Speaker 10: more to it than that, because you can also ask

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Speaker 10: that things like help me design an interesting new radio

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Speaker 10: show using you know, I don't know, dancing rabbits or something,

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Speaker 10: so you can help you can use. You can use

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Speaker 10: it as an assistant to help you id eight things

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Speaker 10: but are just not out there in the world. You

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Speaker 10: can say, play the role of a critic, play the

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Speaker 10: role of an employer, play the role of a whoever,

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Speaker 10: and it will take that role, and you can then practice.

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Speaker 10: You can use it as sort of an omnipurpose human assistant.

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Speaker 10: There are crimes of things for you, but don't believe that.

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Speaker 10: It tells you it's true, that's all.

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Speaker 2: Is that retrieving to do?

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Speaker 6: That?

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Speaker 2: Is that retrieving stuff that's already there and therefore must

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Speaker 2: source that? Or is it at a point will it

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Speaker 2: be at a point where literally it may be able

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Speaker 2: to do something we haven't even conceived or thought of yet.

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Speaker 10: Oh oh, it doesn't retrieve anything to do. Sounds like

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Speaker 10: that it's already baked into its model. Its model is

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Speaker 10: essentially a very large compression of everything it's read, and

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Speaker 10: it's read a million lifetimes of content, and so it's

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Speaker 10: basically just all just smash that down into its model,

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Speaker 10: and then it can use that. There's enough patterns of

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Speaker 10: human thought that are in that model already, it can

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Speaker 10: use that to do new novel things with you. But

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Speaker 10: you have to tell it where to go. You can't

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Speaker 10: just say, hey, give me a solution to the world.

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Speaker 2: So at what point does it take over the world,

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Speaker 2: Because if it has to be told what to do,

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Speaker 2: it needs to at some point think for itself. When

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Speaker 2: does that happen?

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Speaker 10: Well, that will probably if that happen, it'll probably happen

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Speaker 10: because a bad actor tells you that, and that's what

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Speaker 10: we're really worried about.

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Speaker 2: Listen, hold on, Tom, we'll come back with some more

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Speaker 2: in a moment. Tom Gruber, the inventor, among other things,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about life school because that's interesting as well.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen past the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: Howard By News Talk, Zippy Talk.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen past eight Tom Grubers whe Us he's a here

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Speaker 2: as part of Sparks Accelerates summit. We'll talk about life

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Speaker 2: Scoore Tom. In just a couple of moments. Here's a

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Speaker 2: text Mike, AI will be as transformative as electricity. Is

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Speaker 2: that fair or not?

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Speaker 19: Do you think I actually.

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Speaker 10: Believe it's true. I think PJ said that the head

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01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 10: of Google is sort of the company with the biggest

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01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 10: investment in AI. I think he's right. It is omnipurpose

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Speaker 10: like electricity. Electricity has changed all kinds of businesses and lifestyle.

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Speaker 10: Lifestyle thanks and well do that too. It hasn't happened

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Speaker 10: this year. It's going to be a little bit of

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Speaker 10: transition exactly. That's the main reason.

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Speaker 11: Is it.

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Speaker 2: How exciting is it to be in this day and

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01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 2: age doing what people like you do versus being edison

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01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 2: and discovering stuff that we now take for granted.

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Speaker 10: It's amazing to be live right now to see it happening,

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Speaker 10: and we're you know, we're all going to see it happen.

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Speaker 16: I saw.

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Speaker 10: I was already a professional when the web happened, and

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Speaker 10: seeing that happened was really exciting. It's been thirty years

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01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 10: now seeing this happen. Now, it's going to eclipse the

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Speaker 10: Web in terms of the impact. And I think we're

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Speaker 10: going to see and all of us in our lifetime

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01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 10: thing called artificial general intelligence, which is sort of general

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01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 10: purpose AI that you can just kind of do whatever

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01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 10: you want it to. That's going to change everything. And

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01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 10: the funny thing is we saw that we saw from

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Speaker 10: pre cell phone days all the way to that in

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Speaker 10: one lifetime.

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Speaker 2: Is it going to dumb us down. If something or

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01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 2: something or somebody can do everything for us, what do

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Speaker 2: we do?

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Speaker 10: No, absolutely won't unbust down. If intact, it's going to

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01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 10: challenge us throughize the education because sort of mediocre writing

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 10: and reading and mediocre knowledge work is not going to

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Speaker 10: be appreciated anymore. People are going to have to step

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Speaker 10: up and use these tools to be better than they

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Speaker 10: are today. And those who can learn to do that

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Speaker 10: are going to be the ones who good to hide

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Speaker 10: ping jobs.

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Speaker 2: Life score it's adept of music dynamically composed and produces

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Speaker 2: as it plays, which allows it to adapt to content.

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Speaker 2: What's the purpose of that? Why would you want to

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Speaker 2: do that?

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Speaker 10: Well, let's say on your morning commute, you're listening to

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Speaker 10: the radio and then you want to turn for a

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01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 10: little bit of music to chill out. Well, it can

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Speaker 10: generate a piece of music that is a journey. Is

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01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 10: it company's your journey? Like a film score for your journey.

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01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 10: Or let's say you're working out in a gym and

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01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 10: you want to have something just not a playlist, but

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01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 10: actually adapts while you're working out how it's going. That's

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Speaker 10: you can still have human machine human music, but it's

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Speaker 10: remixed on the fly.

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Speaker 2: Is that being told what to do or is it

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Speaker 2: doing it for you?

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Speaker 10: It's basically taking music that was composed by humans and

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Speaker 10: recomposing it to in face of the signal. So like

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Speaker 10: you're a stoplight, it's sort of playing a nice, chill

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01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 10: like holding beat, and then as you go up and

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Speaker 10: accelerate to go to the highway, it ramps it up

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Speaker 10: and goes mak. It's all music that's already been composed

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Speaker 10: in a little bit, but then it's making it adapt

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Speaker 10: to your life situation at that moment.

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Speaker 2: Is it workable? Is it real? Is it happening right now?

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Speaker 19: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: It does work, and we have we've had working for

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Speaker 10: a couple of years. Now it does actually work. It's

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Speaker 10: really fun. In fact, we've also found that we can

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Speaker 10: just do it even without the adapt team. We can

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Speaker 10: just tell it. Hey, here's a guy who had an

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Speaker 10: album that's of great music for relaxing. He said, give

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Speaker 10: me an eight hour sleep album. I can't afford to

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Speaker 10: write this. Myself and the machine really have an eight

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Speaker 10: hour album that now his fans can go to sleep with.

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Speaker 2: Wow, how's the money side of this? It is raising.

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Speaker 2: It strikes me that if you've got ai in your CV.

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01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: There's money to be head out there to, you know,

1479
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: try new ideas and do new research. Is that true?

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Speaker 10: There is, although that sort of an initial hype excitement

1481
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 10: is sort of over now. I think. I think now

1482
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 10: we're in a phase where we're looking people are looking

1483
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 10: to spend money on how do you take existing AI

1484
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 10: ideas and apply them interest specific industry where you know

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01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 10: for sure that industry has a problem to Sarce.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. Well you enjoy your staying in the country, Tom,

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Speaker 2: I've appreciated your time very much and good to meet

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Speaker 2: and talk with your Tom Gruber. Once upon a time

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Speaker 2: the inventor of Siri, but has gone, as you've just heard,

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Speaker 2: onto other big, bright and wonderful things. Geees. She's an

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Speaker 2: interesting world, isn't it? Coming up? Eight twenty one.

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Speaker 1: All the Mic Costing Breakfast with al Feda, Retirement Communities News.

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Speaker 2: Togs head be.

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Speaker 6: Mike.

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Speaker 2: I worked with authors in the publishing industry. I can

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Speaker 2: tell you there's a lot of concern about intellectual property

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Speaker 2: rights and copyright. This is where the creative landscape will

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Speaker 2: be unrecognizable in a very short time. Yeah, those are

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Speaker 2: the well will they or won't they? I mean, I

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Speaker 2: don't you. And so I mean his music was, I mean,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't have time to talk to him about it.

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Speaker 2: But basically, you know when you suddenly make up music

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Speaker 2: more information asking I didn't have time to talk to

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Speaker 2: him and ask him. Very good piece I read yesterday

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Speaker 2: on the Sidney Morning Herald from open Ai to wise tech,

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Speaker 2: does the sector have a governance problem? The article Look

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Speaker 2: it up if you're interested. It involves a guy called

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Speaker 2: Rich White, who you may or may not know, doesn't

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Speaker 2: really matter, but they talk about generally these large tech

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Speaker 2: companies and how they're structured in a way that the

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Speaker 2: people who started them, always men, can't be gotten rid of,

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Speaker 2: and so no matter what happens, they're kind of stuck there.

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Speaker 2: Zuckerberg he's got outsized voting rights on Meta. He owns

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Speaker 2: less than twenty percent of the company, but he basically

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Speaker 2: controls it, and there's nothing they can do about it.

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Speaker 2: The founders of Snap, Google, Alphabet, all that stuff, they've

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Speaker 2: got special voting shares. They are basically stuck with these

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Speaker 2: people forever, and whether or not going forward. That's a

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Speaker 2: major problem in terms of innovation, business, conduct, culture, the environment,

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Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. Trump update, I am so

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Speaker 2: onto this, it's not funny. So they said twenty two

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Speaker 2: Trump was calling. Obviously he wasn't calling it twenty two,

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Speaker 2: but they had to be ready just in case. So

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Speaker 2: the contact in the office they said five past eight.

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Speaker 2: So first of all, if he rings on time, which

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Speaker 2: he was never going to, how long do you reckon

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Speaker 2: the phone call?

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Speaker 7: Is?

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Speaker 2: The answer is anywhere between I reckon five and twenty,

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Speaker 2: depending on how crazy Trump is at any given moment,

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Speaker 2: whether or not Golf has raised, whether or not Luxeon

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Speaker 2: has got the wherewithal to offer up a couple of

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Speaker 2: key phrases that might trigger He goes, you're gonna drill, baby, drill.

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Speaker 2: He's off. He's good for half an hour all day long.

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Speaker 2: So depending on that, So the office goes, we'll get

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Speaker 2: them for you for five past eight. I said, that's

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Speaker 2: never happening. Then it's ten past eight. I said, don't

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Speaker 2: make me laugh. Then they said it's twenty five minutes

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Speaker 2: past eight, and I said that's not going to happen either.

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Speaker 2: And then they said, looks like a twenty five, probably

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Speaker 2: isn't going to happen. We'll come back to you a

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Speaker 2: sap which, of course my guess he can't go past

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Speaker 2: eight thirty apparently because of the apology.

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Speaker 4: Can we interest you in tomorrow? Mind?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Anyway, I'll keep you posted. You're trusted.

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Speaker 1: Ho Use four Entertainments of Opinion and Mike the Mike Hosking,

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Speaker 1: Breakfast with a Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way, News,

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Speaker 1: togsad B.

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Speaker 2: But he was on, he was on till he was off.

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Speaker 2: Poor old Sam's never had a day like it in

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Speaker 2: his life. Sam is in literal meltdown.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what are week jury duty?

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Speaker 2: Yesterday? About this? And what's going to tomorrow? He was on,

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Speaker 2: he was on to the office. He goes, right now,

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Speaker 2: we'll get him on now can he do it in

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Speaker 2: the car? And he's off the phone. And we were

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent right. We didn't get the fine details

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Speaker 2: on the phone call, but he was. He was still

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Speaker 2: on the phone at eight twenty five to Trump. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: let's get him in the car. Yep, we're going to

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Speaker 2: get him in the car. Then they couldn't do it,

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Speaker 2: and now he's gone. Apparently he's vanished off the face

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Speaker 2: of the earth.

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Speaker 4: Do you reckon National Radio? Rangham and said they don't

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Speaker 4: want you anymore.

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Speaker 2: There is no interview with Mike Hosking could be that

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Speaker 2: twenty three minutes away from.

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Speaker 14: Nine International correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance, peace of

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Speaker 14: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: I've just got pictured in my mind just for the

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Speaker 2: level of combustion inside the Luxton office. It's just like

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Speaker 2: you can see how many bureaucrats do you think we're

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Speaker 2: running around losing there? You know what over the last

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Speaker 2: forty minutes anyway, Rod Lills withs mate, how are you?

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Speaker 19: I'm fine made the travesty in my opinion, but there

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Speaker 19: we are.

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Speaker 2: What's a travesty in your opinion?

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Speaker 19: That interview you didn't get?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I couldn't agree more well well said, but

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Speaker 2: I can. I can always rely on you to spot

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Speaker 2: a travesty when one is just quickly on on on Armistice.

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Speaker 2: In the last couple of days in your particular part

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Speaker 2: of the world. How much coverage and how much interest

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Speaker 2: in the return to prominence of Princess Kate was there?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 19: Quite a lot. She's regarded its very very highly. Indeed,

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Speaker 19: don't forget that we have a certain mixed opinion about

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Speaker 19: our royals at the moment. There are the good ones

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Speaker 19: and there are the bad ones. And at the moment

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Speaker 19: probably Kay is right at the top. And I would

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Speaker 19: have thought William William and Charles joint second. So she's

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Speaker 19: kind of the favorite at the moment for the kind

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Speaker 19: of common sense, dignified regal approach.

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Speaker 2: I always liked the photograph. I looked at it yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Of all the living past living prime ministers, there's something

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Speaker 2: about history that, no matter what the politics of the day,

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Speaker 2: brings people together in the right way.

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Speaker 19: No, that's right, that's right, except it's caused a bit

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Speaker 19: of a few rule this year that our ow commemoration

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Speaker 19: at the Cellotaph, Diegel Farahs wasn't invited, but then nor

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Speaker 19: was I Mike. Frankly, however, Farag was kept away from

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Speaker 19: it because the leaders of parties with more than six

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Speaker 19: MPs are allowed to attend. The senatorph he thinks it

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Speaker 19: was a fix. He's only got five MPs, so it's

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Speaker 19: not really a fix at all, But nonetheless he was

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Speaker 19: very affronted. At the same time, Sakir Starmer hopped over

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Speaker 19: the Channel to attend the Armistice Day commemoration in France

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Speaker 19: with President Macron, the first time any British Prime minister

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Speaker 19: has done that since Winston Churchill in nineteen forty six.

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Speaker 19: I don't think that means that Sakiir is the new

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Speaker 19: Winston Churchill. I think it might mean that France's longtime

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Speaker 19: resentment of Britain it may have abated a little. It

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Speaker 19: ought to be said that for an awful one of

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Speaker 19: those years they didn't have an Armistice ceremony as such,

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Speaker 19: and the by and large the prime ministers of each

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Speaker 19: country and presidents come together on d Day rather than

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Speaker 19: Armistice Day, so that ought to be said as well.

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Speaker 19: But undoubtedly in Sirkis Staler's mind there is a bigger

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Speaker 19: across monk going on with Europe and particularly with France,

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Speaker 19: and their meeting on Armistice Day was a time for

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Speaker 19: them both to issue statements about how they were going

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Speaker 19: to remain full square behind arms to Ukraine no matter

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Speaker 19: what Donald Trump gets up to.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a two part question to that, doesn't there

1646
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 2: really do they know what Donald Trump is? Is Trump?

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Speaker 2: Are they assuming Trump is out in terms of money

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Speaker 2: and weapon supply, and two if he is, who's actually

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Speaker 2: footing the bill, because the bill isargentuant and neither one

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Speaker 2: of them has the money.

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Speaker 19: No, well, that's exactly right, and it brings hto sharp

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Speaker 19: relieves the main problem which Donald Trump has with Europe,

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Speaker 19: which is if we don't pay our way. You know,

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Speaker 19: we rely upon American large ass for our defense and

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01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 19: have done for sixty seventy years that there is no

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Speaker 19: question about that. However, there is a sense to it

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Speaker 19: that if you think that at some point down the line,

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Speaker 19: once he's taken office, Trump is going to attempt to

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Speaker 19: resolve the Ukraine Russia crisis, it does make sense for

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Speaker 19: to be in the best possible military position when that happens.

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Speaker 19: And that's that's what I've been saying for you know,

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Speaker 19: a number of months, that there will have to be

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Speaker 19: a negotiated peace. Of course there will, that's how wars end,

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Speaker 19: and it's important that when that comes, Ukraine is militarily

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Speaker 19: in the best possible position.

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Speaker 2: What is the vibe in Europe's because I can tell

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Speaker 2: you what Zelenci is going to say from one of

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Speaker 2: his one of his people, Trump's people, they said, we're

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Speaker 2: going to ask Zelensky what he thinks peace looks like.

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Speaker 2: And if he comes back and sees Crimea crime, he

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Speaker 2: is gone. So you can see where Trump's going to

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Speaker 2: go on this. If crime is gone and some land

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Speaker 2: has to be given and Putin gets his Russia back,

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Speaker 2: how does the rest of Europe feel about that? Versus

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Speaker 2: how Zolenski?

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Speaker 19: I think the rest of Europe is divided. There are

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Speaker 19: some of the visit rap states such as Slovakia and

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Speaker 19: Hungary for example, and two degree Italy, which I think

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Speaker 19: that this has gone on too long. A lot of

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Speaker 19: German feeling to that effect as well, and that you know,

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Speaker 19: Crimea is a battle which should have been thought it

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Speaker 19: was going to be fought in twenty fourteen, it wasn't

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Speaker 19: and it's gone. It is added to the fact, of

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Speaker 19: course that ninety percent of the people living in Crimea

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Speaker 19: are Russian. So there is a kind of there is

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Speaker 19: both a moral and a pragmatic reason for saying Crimea

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Speaker 19: is gone. The far more difficult thing will be to say,

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Speaker 19: you know what happens to Danetsk and Luhansk. Again, Europe

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01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 19: is a bit split. There is not the unity that

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01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 19: you know Macron and Starmer and before him. Johnson put

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Speaker 19: before the world that we are force square behind them.

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Speaker 19: Some of the countries genuinely aren't. By and large, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia,

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Speaker 19: Estonia are very very much in favor of continuing to

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Speaker 19: arm and defeat Russia are to our uclean than defeat Russia.

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Speaker 19: The rest of Europe, to varying degrees, is less supportive.

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Speaker 2: Roderick always a great pleasure, and we'll see you Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Rod a little out of Britain just before

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Speaker 2: we leave the area. By the way, Apache, who are

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Speaker 2: an oil company north Sea. They've had enough. They're gone.

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Speaker 2: So the Energy profits levy, the EPL this was all

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Speaker 2: part of the budget was originally came in in May

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Speaker 2: of twenty two. Huge profits. Government thought, I know, we'll

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Speaker 2: get a bit of that action. This was sunic. The

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Speaker 2: money raise would support households facing the energy bills. Of course,

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Speaker 2: the energy bills in that particular part of the world

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Speaker 2: went through the roof as the war started, the pipeline,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Initially, the windfall tax essentially is what it is,

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Speaker 2: was set at twenty five percent, due to expire in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Conservatives later raise that to thirty five percent,

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Speaker 2: said it would last until March of twenty twenty nine

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Speaker 2: labor arrives. They've raised it to thirty eight percent, meaning

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Speaker 2: the total tax on companies is now seventy eight percent,

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Speaker 2: and they've extended that the year. So Apache said the

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Speaker 2: onerous financial impact of the EPL, combined with a substantial

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Speaker 2: investment that would be necessary to comply with regular ty requirements,

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Speaker 2: makes production of hydroc carbons beyond twenty twenty nine uneconomic.

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Speaker 2: We're off and at seventy eight percent by way of

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Speaker 2: a tax rate, Who can blame them? Eight forty five.

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Speaker 1: The Like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: At B twelve away from nine. Just wore I leave

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Speaker 2: Russia and the whole part of the world. So COP

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Speaker 2: twenty nine is under way. Azerbajan of the hosts a

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Speaker 2: guy called Sultanoff who's the chief executive of COP twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: the Azerbaijani team. He's been caught on a video discussing

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Speaker 2: investment opportunities in the state Oil and Gas company with

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Speaker 2: a man posing as a potential investor. We have a

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Speaker 2: lot of gas fields that need to be developed. He's

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Speaker 2: also by the way deputy Energy Minister of Azebazan and Azerbaijan.

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Speaker 2: If you know about Azebajan, mostly they make the money

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Speaker 2: from oil and gas. So one COP twenty nine is

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Speaker 2: in an oil and gas country. The bloke who is

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Speaker 2: the Minister in charge of oil and gas but also

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Speaker 2: the minister in charge of COP is busy on a

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01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 2: zoom call drumming up business on oil and gas. So

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Speaker 2: reputation nicely intact. There, well done, And my guess is

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Speaker 2: here's my call, big call, but I'm going to make it.

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Speaker 2: I reckon there's going to be a COP thirty because

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that COP twenty nine is going to

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Speaker 2: conclude with the sort of resolutions to save the planet

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Speaker 2: that they think.

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Speaker 4: We had that guy this morning earlier on saying that

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Speaker 4: all they have to do is completely redesign the global

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Speaker 4: financial system and then.

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Speaker 2: It's all it takes. It's a trillion dollars, it's all

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Speaker 2: it takes. And yet I don't believe at COP twenty

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01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 2: nine they'll do it though, will need a COP thirty.

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Speaker 2: Call me a pessimist. Putin has also through Lavrov, whose

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Speaker 2: Foreign minister suggested he's offering what he calls total support

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Speaker 2: for Africa. So this was a summit in the Black Sea,

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Speaker 2: so she to be precise. Once upon a time a

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Speaker 2: home to won the Winter Olympics and two F one racing,

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01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 2: but then the war ended all that. But be that may,

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01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 2: several African governments have cut ties with Western our eyes

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01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 2: and this is this is an ongoing thing that we

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Speaker 2: need to think about. This is Brooks. Last time I

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01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 2: talked about this was bricks and so you've got this

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01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 2: b Kina Fassa's foreign minister said Russia was a more

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Speaker 2: suitable international partner than the former colonial power a place

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Speaker 2: called France, view shared by several of France's former colonies,

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Speaker 2: reiterated by Marley's foreign minister, who contrasted the Kremlin's sincere

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Speaker 2: partnership to the neo colonial relationships of Western powers, as

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01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: well as military cooperation, Marley's exploring joint projects with energy, telecommunications,

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Speaker 2: technology and the mining sectors. The Wagner mercenary fighters, by

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Speaker 2: the way, are rebranded under the African Call banner by

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01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 2: Russia's Defense ministry, were the preferred choice for the military

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Speaker 2: leaders who ordered French and new In troops to leave.

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Speaker 2: So they liked Wagner, They like Putin and Africa's quite

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Speaker 2: a big place. I don't know if you've noticed that lately.

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Speaker 2: Nine minutes away from nine the.

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Speaker 1: My costly regulist with the anger of a villars.

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Speaker 2: Mike, you missed. Many of them are dictators that need

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01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 2: Russia to stay in power, and I didn't miss that.

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01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 2: But what I'm trying to point out to you is

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01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 2: the world is shifting in a significant way and for

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01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,719
Speaker 2: a so called Lepper outlier whatever you want to call Russia,

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01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 2: there anything. But they hosted bricks the other day with

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01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 2: the leader of China, the leader of India, and the

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01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 2: head of the United Nations shaking hands for all intentsive purposes.

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Speaker 2: If you come from Mars and planted yourself, you go,

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01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I see that that guy in the middle

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01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 2: of the little short board guy. He must be the

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01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 2: most powerful man in the world, selling oil like the

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01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 2: snow tomorrow to Indy. You're at a discounted prut for

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01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 2: all of the we're shunning him. It's not working, Bingo,

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01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 2: dream big, Mike. Like every tech inflecion point, the net

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01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,879
Speaker 2: positives across the ark of humanity will be really positive.

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Speaker 2: We have an unreal opportunity in New Zealand. If we're

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Speaker 2: going to take it, it's very positive. Mike Cookware who

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01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 2: knew Brits had such a good taste. This very good

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Speaker 2: point goes back to the La Cruze talk earlier on

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Speaker 2: this morning. Mike went to Paris to buy a handbag,

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01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 2: as you do. We went to Paris by handbag, bought

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01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 2: an Azure La Crusee cassero oldish instead carried it home

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01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 2: on the plane. Better than a handbag. I've never heard

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01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 2: anybody compare a La Cruze casserole dish to a handbag,

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01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 2: but fuends on what sort of handbag it was.

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Speaker 4: I wonder why they went Azure, not Coastal blue or

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Speaker 4: Chambre I suspect.

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Speaker 2: Here's my guess. Coastal blue was not out at the time.

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01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 2: That's a color for summer. It's a seasonal color.

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01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 4: If chan bray was just a little bit too much

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01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 4: seventies eighties.

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Speaker 2: That would be my personal view. But you know what

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01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,959
Speaker 2: do I know about that? Five minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 14: Trending now with chemist ware House great savings every day.

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01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 2: So we've told you this morning about the tennis commentator

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01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 2: who lost his job after the hot mic problem. Now

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01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 2: we've got a premiere referee a video back in twenty twenty,

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01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 2: so he's been canceled late. Guy's name is David Coote.

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01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 2: He's one of the better ones going. He's on the

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Speaker 2: couch with his mate in lockdown. They start recording their

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01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 2: thoughts on Yugen klop. Do you think they're little bit

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Speaker 2: pot ball?

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Speaker 11: Game?

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01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 2: Earlier when you were fourth official.

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Speaker 6: Liverpool was ship What do you think of?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 6: What? What was you?

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01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,719
Speaker 2: What would you say? Why would you say that the clop.

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Speaker 20: Aside from having the right pop at me when I

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01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 20: rest them against Burnley in lockdown, then he accused me

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01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 20: of lying and then just the right pop me And

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Speaker 20: I've got no interest in speaking to someone who's arrogant,

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01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 20: so I do my best not to speak to him.

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Speaker 2: For some reason, I was expecting a different eccent, isn't

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Speaker 2: it That could be out of the gentleman, couldn't it.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of the jug clop?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I say absolutely is more.

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Speaker 6: By the way, just to be clear, that last video

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Speaker 6: can't go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, you know what it has to the Mike hosting

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Speaker 2: breakfast As it turns out all these years later anyway,

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01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 2: So the officials are having a look at that one,

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01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 2: and when they had a look at it, the spended him.

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Speaker 2: Problem is because the time of the video, Coot was

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01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 2: var for three Liverpool games in twenty twenty when he

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01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 2: didn't award the handball, not awarding the handball because he's

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01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 2: a you know what. That's what happened is he didn't

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01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 2: award the handball penalties or red cards when Liverpool fans

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01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 2: thought it was warranted. So that's been looked into as well.

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Speaker 2: That is a scandal. I leave you with this question.

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01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 2: Does not that a couple of you suggesting that I'm

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01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 2: somehow upset or grumpy that Luxon didn't come on the program.

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01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,799
Speaker 2: I couldn't not remotely upset. I found it more entertaining

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01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 2: having Luxon not on the program this morning, actually, and.

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01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 4: We should do that more often.

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01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the story of Luxon on the phone to

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01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 2: Trump was far more entertaining than whatever Luckxin was going

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01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 2: to sound on the prayer. So I'm not remotely upset?

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01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 2: Does the iis? And interview tomorrow is my simple question?

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01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 2: Does should he turn up tomorrow for a bit of

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01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 2: a debrief and a bit of a I couldn't make

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01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 2: it yesterday, so here I am today type vibe. What

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01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 2: do you reckon about that? Anyway, We will be back

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01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 2: no matter what as of six o'clock tomorrow morning, as always,

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Speaker 2: Happy Days.

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