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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find You're

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Speaker 1: one of a.

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Speaker 2: Kind, which ps I don't know if you gathered just

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Speaker 2: from it. You know, broadly, it's not going to be

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Speaker 2: a hagiography of just is it. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: a little bit more critical, isn't it? Trisherson Mark Sainsbury.

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Speaker 2: I huddle this evening, Hell are you too?

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Speaker 3: Hello?

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Speaker 1: Hello?

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Speaker 4: And I wonder if that book will ask the one

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Speaker 4: question that none of the global interviewers did in that

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Speaker 4: water will cont Justina's book last year, which is what

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Speaker 4: result did your empathy and kindness deliver for the people

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Speaker 4: of New Zealand?

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Speaker 2: Can you answer that question?

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Speaker 3: Trush?

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Speaker 4: Well, I can, and in fact, a lot of ballooning debt,

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Speaker 4: but well, ballooning ballooning debt, but also a lot of

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Speaker 4: people were talking last week about the lack of empathy

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Speaker 4: with some of the decisions and all of the you know,

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Speaker 4: all of the businesses that went up.

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Speaker 2: Yep, balloon regrustrations, social division. I don't I think if

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Speaker 2: that's what empathy looks like, I'll just go empathy free

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Speaker 2: for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 4: I find if it was empathy with a results. But

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Speaker 4: unlike k see, you didn't get it. Didn't get a

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Speaker 4: good salty side.

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Speaker 3: Did you. But you've been interviewed for the book, Eather. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Oh so there will be an empathetic.

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Speaker 2: I'll be the lone voice who says Jack Thunder was great.

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Speaker 2: I loved her. Hey does this surprise.

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Speaker 3: You at all? Saying so?

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Speaker 2: To see Mark Robinson quit this early into David Kirk's tenure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, it's interesting and I'm always fascinated when they

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Speaker 3: have those things, you know, wanting to spend more time

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Speaker 3: with the family. It was like, remember Boris Johnson's brother

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Speaker 3: But I mean it does seem genuine that his family

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Speaker 3: is over there.

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Speaker 2: But it's recently dispatched this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been it's been an interesting time and you

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Speaker 3: look at the whole Silver Ap deal and the player's

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Speaker 3: rebellion and all the stuff that he's sort of been through. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you just think you may well have had enough time

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Speaker 3: to move on that it's in a funny state that

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Speaker 2: I just wondered, I thought Saint so he might have

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Speaker 2: read the room. I mean, David Kirk is the new

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Speaker 2: broom and he was going to pick up the old

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Speaker 2: Mark Robbo andrush him away.

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Speaker 1: Will't that?

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Speaker 3: When he was speaking very sort of yeah, you know

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Speaker 3: do in these situations. Yeah, Lookluve've got a lot of

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Speaker 3: and of course don't forget Mark Rumson came in after

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Speaker 3: Steve Chu. You know, he's been something of an institution

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Speaker 3: that's always a hard actor for it.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if Trish perhaps what they should do. I

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Speaker 2: mean I did say this. I do think that they

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Speaker 4: And also I heard you say that I completely agree,

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Speaker 4: I think part of Mark's sort of issue during his tenure,

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Speaker 4: But if you watched him in some of those press conferences,

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Speaker 4: especially around Ian Foster, he actually looked stricken. He looked,

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Speaker 4: in interviews and you could hear interviewers frustrated because they

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Speaker 4: I think the other point here, though, is they often

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Speaker 4: say in business that you have a chair and a

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Speaker 4: absolutely critical in any organization. So David Kirk has come in.

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Speaker 4: He's the right chair for the season. He's got huge

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Speaker 4: commercial chops even though he came out of rugby originally.

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Speaker 4: Don't forget he's run things like Fairfax Media, and I

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Speaker 4: think he will be critical in recruiting the new CEO

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Speaker 3: And I see they're combining the job too, aren't they,

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Speaker 3: Because he's someone a separate CEO running the commercial money

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Speaker 2: That yeh and yeah, that's that seems silly.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary

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Speaker 1: results with unparallel.

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Speaker 3: Reach back of the huddle.

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Speaker 2: Trischurson, Mark Sainsbury. Trish, what did you make of the

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Speaker 2: school spending?

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Speaker 4: Well, I am not a fan of this kind of

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Speaker 2: And balance, because that's the problem here.

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Speaker 4: This is the core of it. And so I take

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Speaker 4: it there is the six thousand dollars pot of money

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Speaker 4: available to principles for well being. But in one case

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Speaker 4: that the order to general pulled out, that six thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars was just paid over into someone's bank account. No

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Speaker 4: one then said, oh, hey, once you're back at school,

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Speaker 4: can you run us through you know what we need

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Speaker 2: So I think, because I don't know about you, but

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Speaker 2: if they paid me six thousand dollars for personal development,

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Speaker 2: I'd spend it on KFC, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Not think I was wasted on.

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Speaker 4: That, Sally, that's the big bucket for you, but I

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Speaker 4: think I think that's the issue. And so there's two things.

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Speaker 4: At a personal level, it's not there's no checks and

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Speaker 4: balances when you've got anybody in an organization signing off

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Speaker 4: their own credit card, we've spent three principles well that

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Speaker 4: that is just very poor practice. And then at a

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Speaker 4: board level there's not enough oversight. And then from a

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Speaker 4: ministry level, they need to review that whole wellbeing scheme. Yes,

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Speaker 4: people are dress, but it doesn't mean you can just

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Speaker 4: get six thousand dollars cash, And in any.

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Speaker 3: Other it does if you're a T shirt well yeah, but.

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Speaker 4: In any other business, if you were getting that type

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Speaker 4: fringe benefit tax implications. So is that is that being

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Speaker 3: The only other thing though, is the and I don't

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Speaker 3: know what the extent is of what the order still

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Speaker 3: hasn't released. But this was about fifty three schools, correct.

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Speaker 2: About fifty four?

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Speaker 3: Wife fifty four schools. There are two thousand, five hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty three schools in New Zealand. So on one hand,

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Speaker 3: if you say, well, we only found a problem out

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Speaker 3: of two percent, you know that's not so. And I'm

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Speaker 3: not excusing the spending, but I think we do have

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Speaker 3: to keep it in perspective. Is it out of control

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Speaker 3: up something? But is it stupid spending?

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Speaker 2: Isn't that part of the problem? Saying so? Is that

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Speaker 2: all it takes is one charity to waste money for

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Speaker 2: us to not want to give to any of them.

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Speaker 2: And the same thing is true of schools. Can I

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Speaker 2: ask you a question, do you think it's okay for

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Speaker 2: the school to spend the money on the jackets for

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Speaker 3: See now, when I read that they started with saying

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Speaker 3: for outdoor. It's a hearing. So whether this was a

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Speaker 3: school photos is a bit nef. You know, well, and

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Speaker 3: it's me and then I love the trip with some

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Speaker 3: of the kids didn't even go to the school. That

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Speaker 3: was the one that got me. But I come back

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Speaker 3: to if it's only fifty three schools out of two

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, thank you. I really hate radio listeners

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Speaker 4: could see that, says has actually got his calculations literally

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Speaker 2: Did you do it by you? Did you use the

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Speaker 4: Ye?

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Speaker 3: No, no nose. When I was sitting there, I didn't

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Speaker 2: You did do it in the calculator, and then right.

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Speaker 3: In the calculator, I just wrote down two thousand and

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Speaker 3: five hundred and fifty three in my hand.

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Speaker 4: That's what happens. That's what happened. In the days when

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Speaker 4: you've got a good mess.

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Speaker 3: Yes, do you remember when he just could teach mat

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Speaker 3: I am going to need counseling after this. Do you

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Speaker 3: eat KFC now? Funny thing? No, not very really and

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Speaker 3: You know really Mary and eating kfcly. I was weather

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Speaker 3: at the at the Democratic Party National Convention in Boston

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Speaker 3: in two thousand when she had McDonald's and pursues the

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Speaker 3: only food available at the time, first time ever. She's

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Speaker 3: a class and I've never seen a do it again. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: she's fabulous, fabulous chef, but well, dirty books.

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Speaker 4: I love the fact that you covered your office this

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Speaker 4: afternoon in shame gravy, as Laura told me, by bringing

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Speaker 4: them all KFC. I have to let you know a

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Speaker 4: little secret about our family. We actually take pride in

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Speaker 4: the fact that we have popped a number of people's

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Speaker 4: KFC cherry. When you hear someone say, especially when our

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Speaker 4: they say, oh, we've never eaten KFC. Will we even

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Speaker 4: great pleasure in it.

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Speaker 2: This is wonderful. I'm just going to turn up at

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Speaker 2: your house with a friend who has obviously eaten caves.

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Speaker 2: But we're gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: To you because it will bring mary Anna Hernra.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, mary Anne, what are you doing?

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Speaker 4: I need this tip also as a parent, if you're

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Speaker 4: running low on time to make a birthday cake when

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Speaker 4: the kids a little, take them to McDonald's, buy a

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Speaker 4: snow freeze and just whack a little candle in.

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Speaker 3: That's your that's your DIY, so easy.

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Speaker 4: I have actually done that.

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Speaker 2: I love them. Hey guys, it's wonderful to have the.

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Speaker 1: Pair of you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, just before we go, kind I remind everyone that

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Speaker 3: it's Means Health Week this week and Barry is one

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Speaker 3: of our ambassadors. I'm hooking up with him. He is

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Speaker 3: because he's got a health he's got a great health story.

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Speaker 2: He's a bad news story.

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Speaker 4: No he's not.

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Speaker 3: He's alive.

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Speaker 4: What beacons of hope you two are.

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Speaker 3: We we recognize the wives. That's why we market to

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Speaker 3: them as well, because are the ones who encourage me

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Speaker 3: to take their health more seriously.

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Speaker 2: From you guys, Thank you both, Trishurs and Mark Sainsbury

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Speaker 2: seven Away.

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