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Speaker 2: Hello there, you got a good afternoon and welcome into

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Speaker 2: the Sunday edition of Weekend Sport. On News Talks, he'd

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Speaker 2: be for January eighteen, Happy fifty fifth birthday to Manchester

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Speaker 2: City boss pet Guardiola. I know it's the day before

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Speaker 2: over there, but he wouldn't be enjoying that very much.

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Speaker 2: A to near loss to United this morning. I'm Jason

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Speaker 2: pineshow producer Any McDonald. We're talking sport with you until

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Speaker 2: three and it is still by some distance the biggest

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Speaker 2: story around the departure on Thursday of Scott Robertson as

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Speaker 2: All Backs head coach. We chatted in great depth about

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Speaker 2: the shoes today, going to widen our scope out today.

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Speaker 2: How has this news been greeted around the rugby world.

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Speaker 2: We're in South Africa after one. How worried are they

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Speaker 2: about losing Tony Brown from their coaching staff for see

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Speaker 2: Ratsey Erasmus has been very mischievous on social media this morning.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen Wolf of Wall Street

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Speaker 2: and the famous scene where Leonardo DiCaprio gets up there

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Speaker 2: and drops the mic and says, I ain't leaving. Rassi

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Speaker 2: Erasthmus is I think used AYI to put Tony Brown's

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Speaker 2: two and said I ain't leaving. Is there a parallel

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Speaker 2: here though? With what happened in twenty eighteen? Remember when

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Speaker 2: South Africa lost to US fifty seven nil at Albany

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Speaker 2: The following year there they're world champion and they wanted

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Speaker 2: again four years later? Is there a parallel here? Letting

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Speaker 2: us off today? Though? Before we get to the republic,

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Speaker 2: is the Irish journalist who broke the story first. Rory

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Speaker 2: O'Connor from the Irish Independent, standing by the chat to us,

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Speaker 2: how has this news been greeted up in the North

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Speaker 2: and how did he break the story from twelve thousand

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Speaker 2: miles away, lots of time for your calls and feedback

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Speaker 2: as well. We got nowhere close to getting everybody on

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Speaker 2: the EA yesterday. We'll give it another crack today. I

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Speaker 2: don't like our chances of getting everybody on, but we'll

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Speaker 2: give it a go. Lines open immediately and all afternoon.

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Speaker 2: A few other metters around today as well. The Black

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Speaker 2: Caps have the chance to make some more cricket history

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Speaker 2: in India Tonight they'll play their hosts in the third

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Speaker 2: and final ODI of their series at Indoor. The series

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Speaker 2: is locked at one all. New Zealand have never beaten

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Speaker 2: India in a one day series in India. Daryl Mitchell's

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Speaker 2: been huge as usual for New Zealand in this regard.

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Speaker 2: He's going to join us the Black Foils. This is

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Speaker 2: really really bad news. They've been ruled out of today's

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Speaker 2: second day of racing at the season opening Grand Prix event,

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Speaker 2: the Sale Grand Prix event in Perth. They had a

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Speaker 2: crash yesterday banged into Switzerland. Not only are they unable

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Speaker 2: and in the minuses. So how did this happen? We'll

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Speaker 2: analyst Chris Reeve. The Phoenix Men in action tonight against

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Speaker 2: Sydney FC. We'll cover that off the Pots Classic yesterday,

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Speaker 2: as well for Zoey Hobbs and Tea on Wilton Town.

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Speaker 2: Wilpton going to join us actually for Eon and floorball.

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 2: The Asia Oceania region qualification tournament for the World Champs

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Speaker 2: and tonight New Zealand played Japan in a winner takes

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Speaker 2: all showdown for a qualifying spot at the World Champs

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Speaker 2: later in the year. New Zealand coach Christiana Birching are

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Speaker 2: going to join us James mcconey in his regular Sunday

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Speaker 2: slot as well. Heaps a live sport to keep tabs

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Speaker 2: on this afternoon. The Aussie Tennis Open underway one thirty

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Speaker 2: of the first matches, Women's seventh seed Jasmine BOWLINI first

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Speaker 2: Smash cricket in Dunedin Sparks v. Northern and the women's

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Speaker 2: game from twelve to forty. The men to follow. Football's

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Speaker 2: Oceania Pro League continues Tahiti United and South Melbourne at

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Speaker 2: Eden Park from one this afternoon. And the NFL playoffs.

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Speaker 2: We're going deep into these now. In Denver the Broncos

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Speaker 2: against the forty nine Ers in Seattle from two this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: By roy Guard takes it away.

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Speaker 4: He dummy through, he goes through, once, he goes through, day,

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Speaker 2: Happier times for Scott Robertson at the helm of the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks, the win over Ireland at Chicago Field to

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Speaker 2: first report of his departure was written by Rory O'Connor,

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Speaker 2: chief rugby correspondent with the Irish Independent. He joins us, now,

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Speaker 2: before we get into the nuts and bolts of how

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Speaker 2: you stack this story up from so far away, Rory,

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Speaker 2: how has the news of Scott Robertson's departure been greeted

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Speaker 2: in Irish rugby circles.

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Speaker 5: I think it's been greeted with a bit of shock

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Speaker 5: the All Blacks. The All Blacks are the All Blacks,

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Speaker 5: and they're always held up as being the team that

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Speaker 6: So I think shock is the big thing.

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Speaker 5: It's very unusual for any head coach to lose their

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Speaker 6: I know South Africa did it.

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Speaker 5: What was it in twenty seventeen at to bring in

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Speaker 5: that's what New Zealand Ruby are hoping for, but it

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Speaker 6: It's it's it's a real surprise, a real shock.

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Speaker 5: And you know, anyone I've spoken to within Irish Rugby

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I have to tell you, Rory, it's been

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Speaker 2: is unprecedented. Really ironically enough, Scott Robertson, I oversaw a

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Speaker 2: What did you make of the All Blacks performances and

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Speaker 5: Well, they don't you know, the fact that New Zealand

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Speaker 6: Because of the way we manage our players.

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Speaker 5: The Irish players are quite undercut going into that window,

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Speaker 5: They took better decisions. In Chicago, it was slightly different

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Speaker 5: It was a pretty poor Irish performance. You know, both

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Speaker 5: But I think had things been taken along much better,

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Speaker 5: Ziland would have won that game more more comfortably. In

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Speaker 5: a short period where Ireland have won the series in

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Speaker 5: They're not the scalp that they would have been during

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Speaker 6: Harder to do that.

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Speaker 5: And maybe that's something that New Zealand they're finding as well,

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Speaker 6: But you know, to lose the All Blacks job.

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Speaker 5: This will turnish him, but not to the extent where

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Speaker 5: where you turned things around and produced a really really

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Speaker 5: top quality team that was only you know, whisker away

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Speaker 5: from a World Cup semi final, and I think if

431
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Speaker 5: they've beaten New Zealand that day, they might have gone

432
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Speaker 5: on to a final and you never know what it

433
00:21:04,147 --> 00:21:06,787
Speaker 5: would happen there. It feels like they are a team

434
00:21:06,787 --> 00:21:09,027
Speaker 5: in decline, an aging team and team in need of

435
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Speaker 5: renewal and new faces. There are a couple of new

436
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Speaker 5: faces that that maybe your audience wouldn't be as aware of,

437
00:21:14,907 --> 00:21:17,067
Speaker 5: but not probably as many as you would like. Maybe

438
00:21:17,067 --> 00:21:19,507
Speaker 5: that's a reflection of the player pool and everything and

439
00:21:19,547 --> 00:21:22,827
Speaker 5: the still massive question marks about the number ten and

440
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Speaker 5: the kind of long term successor to Johnny Sexton.

441
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Speaker 6: So right now, when you've.

442
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Speaker 5: Got France away and England away in two of your

443
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Speaker 5: first three games in the six Nations, it's looking like

444
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Speaker 5: a very daunting challenge and very difficult Six Nations. But maybe,

445
00:21:37,347 --> 00:21:39,267
Speaker 5: you know, maybe this is where Andy Farrell comes into

446
00:21:39,267 --> 00:21:41,027
Speaker 5: his own and he turns things around. I think right now,

447
00:21:41,147 --> 00:21:44,467
Speaker 5: no one's up before to any great enthusiasm, but he's

448
00:21:44,907 --> 00:21:46,907
Speaker 5: a very he's a very fine coach. He's done a

449
00:21:46,907 --> 00:21:50,547
Speaker 5: great job across five six years now and he's turned

450
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Speaker 5: things around before. He's just this is probably the most

451
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Speaker 5: difficult point he's had since maybe twenty twenty one when

452
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Speaker 5: he kind of turned the team around the first time.

453
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Speaker 6: So it's hard to do it twice. France are looking

454
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Speaker 6: very strong.

455
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Speaker 5: England are looking like the team on the up, and

456
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Speaker 5: I think they would be the two favorites for the

457
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Speaker 5: six Nations, especially with the way the fixers fall. But yeah,

458
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Speaker 5: not a huge amount of enthusiasm. But things are starting

459
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Speaker 5: to turn with the provinces and the teams. The players

460
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Speaker 5: are starting to play a little bit better, so there's

461
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Speaker 5: a bit of hope that maybe they can turn up.

462
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Speaker 5: But runs away on a Thursday night for an opener

463
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Speaker 5: is about as hard as it's ever going to get.

464
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Speaker 5: And yeah, it's going to take a for pretty size

465
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Speaker 5: and as gafford to deliver some silverware in the spring.

466
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Speaker 2: All right, Rory, better leave it there. I feel like

467
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Speaker 2: I could chett to you more and more about Irish

468
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Speaker 2: rugby and about the relationship between our two nations, but

469
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Speaker 2: we will leave you there. Thanks indeed, and congratulations again

470
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Speaker 2: on your sterling work with this story.

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Speaker 6: That is.

472
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Speaker 2: Rory O'Connor Senior rugby writer, chief rugby correspondent with the

473
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Speaker 2: Irish Independent lines open a eight hundred and eighty ten

474
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Speaker 2: eighty pickup on anything you like you heard there from Rory.

475
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Speaker 2: You might have a prediction about where you think Scott

476
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Speaker 2: Robertson will pop up next. He is not going to

477
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Speaker 2: be short of offers. I'm all a certain action. There'll

478
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Speaker 2: be some in his agents in box already. They would

479
00:23:10,867 --> 00:23:14,867
Speaker 2: have started to arrive I think, you know, probably minutes

480
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Speaker 2: after this news was confirmed on Thursday, and those will

481
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Speaker 2: only increase. This isn't the last time we'll see Scott

482
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Speaker 2: Robertson coach, and I don't think it's the last time

483
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Speaker 2: we'll see Scott Robertson coach an international side either. He

484
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Speaker 2: will coach internationally again. The winning record stats are really

485
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Speaker 2: interesting and probably why fans and those who follow rugby

486
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Speaker 2: and other countries are finding it hard to wrap their

487
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Speaker 2: heads around this. The New Zealander Rugby Database social media

488
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Speaker 2: account posted some really interesting figures in the last day

489
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Speaker 2: or so. They compared Scott Robertson's record with the other

490
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Speaker 2: international coaches over the period of his tenure. In that

491
00:24:00,467 --> 00:24:04,867
Speaker 2: tenure July twenty twenty four through to December twenty twenty five,

492
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Speaker 2: and during that period only Rassi Erasmus, the spring Box coach,

493
00:24:11,067 --> 00:24:15,587
Speaker 2: had a better winning percentage than Scott Robertson did eighty

494
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Speaker 2: five percent for Rassi Erasmus twenty two wins from twenty

495
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Speaker 2: six test matches in that period. Scott Robertson's was seventy

496
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Speaker 2: four percent twenty wins from twenty seven test matches. Have

497
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Speaker 2: listened to some of these others Steve Borthwick, England sixty

498
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Speaker 2: seven percent, Fabian Gualtier France sixty five percent, Gregor Townsend,

499
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Speaker 2: Scotland sixty three percent, Andy Farrell Ireland a sixty two

500
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Speaker 2: percent winning record, Phelipe Acon Depomy Argentina a forty six

501
00:24:49,467 --> 00:24:54,667
Speaker 2: percent winning record over that period, and Joe Schmitt Australia

502
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Speaker 2: eleven wins from twenty eight matches thirty nine percent winning

503
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Speaker 2: record for Joe Schmidt. Joe Schmitt would love a seventy

504
00:25:04,747 --> 00:25:08,107
Speaker 2: four percent winning record. Any Australian rugby fan would love that.

505
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Speaker 2: Any of those guys probably that I read out would

506
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Speaker 2: like a seventy four percent winning record. What are you

507
00:25:13,827 --> 00:25:17,067
Speaker 2: winning three out of every four tests you play? What

508
00:25:17,187 --> 00:25:20,107
Speaker 2: it does show, though, is that David Kirk and co.

509
00:25:20,627 --> 00:25:26,067
Speaker 2: Looked beyond the scoreboard to gauge the trajectory of the

510
00:25:26,147 --> 00:25:30,427
Speaker 2: side and there's that word again, trajectory twenty eight away

511
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Speaker 2: from one, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back with

512
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Speaker 2: your calls right after this on weekends.

513
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Speaker 1: Board you be the TMO. Have your say on eight

514
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty weekends for it with Jason

515
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Speaker 1: Paine and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder

516
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Speaker 1: news Dogs.

517
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Speaker 2: They'd be news talk as it'd be twenty five to one.

518
00:25:49,867 --> 00:25:52,107
Speaker 2: A lot of people have pointed out or asked for

519
00:25:52,267 --> 00:25:55,547
Speaker 2: a drilling down into those stats and to the number

520
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Speaker 2: of Tier one nations that the all Backs have beaten

521
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Speaker 2: in those those tests. Look I think mainly, but I've

522
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Speaker 2: also to point it out to me this is quite accurate.

523
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Speaker 2: It's the nature of the losses, isn't it. It's the

524
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Speaker 2: nature of the losses, not just the numbers, but the nature.

525
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Speaker 2: And also must says this is the All Blacks we

526
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Speaker 2: expect to win every test and that's why only South

527
00:26:15,787 --> 00:26:21,547
Speaker 2: African rugby fans I think can fully understand this landscape. Joey,

528
00:26:21,587 --> 00:26:23,787
Speaker 2: thanks for holding mate, good afternoon, Cat.

529
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Speaker 7: I mean, look, it's that's right, has similar thoughts to said,

530
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Speaker 7: it's probably right up there with the best three or four,

531
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Speaker 7: but it's the way we lost tests and if you

532
00:26:34,067 --> 00:26:36,787
Speaker 7: and how we played in those tests. And now I

533
00:26:36,827 --> 00:26:41,667
Speaker 7: think it was too much for him, for him the

534
00:26:41,707 --> 00:26:45,747
Speaker 7: way the way he set things up. Look, he started

535
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Speaker 7: off with it with a Ford coach from Tannerbury, a

536
00:26:48,827 --> 00:26:51,387
Speaker 7: bat coach from Canadi him from Cannabi. There's a lot

537
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Speaker 7: of Cats Cannaber influence. No just suspects of Cannaby because

538
00:26:54,587 --> 00:26:57,627
Speaker 7: the Crusaders who won seven eight our red last nine

539
00:26:57,787 --> 00:27:00,747
Speaker 7: nine titles. But sometimes you need an influence coming from

540
00:27:00,747 --> 00:27:04,587
Speaker 7: the outside, say from Upham, like a burned Cotta coming

541
00:27:04,667 --> 00:27:07,587
Speaker 7: in with them to help them. And so he he

542
00:27:08,067 --> 00:27:10,227
Speaker 7: he said, well hell, you know, hell, how does it

543
00:27:10,307 --> 00:27:13,867
Speaker 7: go up in autumn with different players with different different

544
00:27:14,707 --> 00:27:18,067
Speaker 7: uh nationally better than the all Vack team. And to

545
00:27:18,147 --> 00:27:21,747
Speaker 7: go this to to that Grand Flan that was the

546
00:27:21,827 --> 00:27:25,187
Speaker 7: easiest Grand Friend to win in a long time. You

547
00:27:25,227 --> 00:27:28,587
Speaker 7: had a you had a Irish sides who are on

548
00:27:28,627 --> 00:27:33,987
Speaker 7: the on the way down. You had a a got

549
00:27:33,987 --> 00:27:36,307
Speaker 7: a side who are on the way up that are

550
00:27:36,387 --> 00:27:40,107
Speaker 7: Beata Bull and you had a wealth size are struggling

551
00:27:40,187 --> 00:27:44,067
Speaker 7: big time in South Africa set in byte seventy and

552
00:27:44,147 --> 00:27:47,347
Speaker 7: we were we were we the last twenty minutes we

553
00:27:47,467 --> 00:27:49,107
Speaker 7: came out on top of him. And you had an

554
00:27:49,147 --> 00:27:52,067
Speaker 7: English side who I don't think of that great. So

555
00:27:52,187 --> 00:27:54,867
Speaker 7: that was the easy you should have won versus really

556
00:27:55,067 --> 00:27:58,147
Speaker 7: a good all back side coach. Well, to me, you

557
00:27:58,147 --> 00:27:59,467
Speaker 7: would have won that Grand Fraan.

558
00:27:59,747 --> 00:28:02,907
Speaker 2: With having Yeah, I reckon the England. The England game

559
00:28:02,987 --> 00:28:04,547
Speaker 2: is the one, isn't it. It sticks out like a

560
00:28:04,587 --> 00:28:07,507
Speaker 2: soul thumb and amongst all of that, and you know,

561
00:28:07,547 --> 00:28:10,187
Speaker 2: would we be having a different conversation if if the

562
00:28:10,227 --> 00:28:12,947
Speaker 2: All Blacks had beaten England at Twickenham a couple of

563
00:28:12,947 --> 00:28:16,267
Speaker 2: months ago, maybe we would have. But I think you're right.

564
00:28:16,267 --> 00:28:18,787
Speaker 2: I think it's the nature. It's it's the nature of

565
00:28:18,907 --> 00:28:22,987
Speaker 2: the defeats. Beyond the number of defeats.

566
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Speaker 7: We're also too what's pine, what's it being a captain? Look,

567
00:28:27,187 --> 00:28:31,787
Speaker 7: don't get me wrong, Scott uh Scott's parents a very

568
00:28:31,827 --> 00:28:34,027
Speaker 7: good player and a very good lock. But as a

569
00:28:34,067 --> 00:28:37,307
Speaker 7: captain he doesn't come across as a great captain. We all,

570
00:28:37,747 --> 00:28:40,627
Speaker 7: most of these Zealanders thought artists here would be the

571
00:28:40,707 --> 00:28:45,067
Speaker 7: captain or you know, and you can change that if

572
00:28:45,107 --> 00:28:49,507
Speaker 7: it's not working, just because you said Scott's Scott should

573
00:28:49,547 --> 00:28:52,507
Speaker 7: be captain as a coach who as a person, you

574
00:28:52,547 --> 00:28:55,227
Speaker 7: can turn around go to the team or to to

575
00:28:55,587 --> 00:28:58,227
Speaker 7: your your coaches. What do you think I've got, I've

576
00:28:58,267 --> 00:29:01,107
Speaker 7: got pioneer as a captain. Well, we don't think Pineys

577
00:29:01,507 --> 00:29:04,187
Speaker 7: can be the job? Okay, well should go to artists

578
00:29:04,187 --> 00:29:06,267
Speaker 7: out here. He never did that. The only time is

579
00:29:06,387 --> 00:29:09,627
Speaker 7: that it was with Scott Robertson I've got wasn't it.

580
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Speaker 8: You know?

581
00:29:12,107 --> 00:29:15,227
Speaker 7: And also too in this press conferences. He wasn't a

582
00:29:15,307 --> 00:29:17,907
Speaker 7: man management. He wasn't great and this press conference off

583
00:29:18,027 --> 00:29:20,307
Speaker 7: he would say, year we did last year we lost.

584
00:29:20,707 --> 00:29:22,227
Speaker 7: Year we didn't play that well, well we know he

585
00:29:22,267 --> 00:29:24,907
Speaker 7: didn't play that. Well, well, we've got to me. I

586
00:29:25,027 --> 00:29:27,627
Speaker 7: look at it. We've got the all black back line

587
00:29:28,227 --> 00:29:31,307
Speaker 7: and you're not creating anything. How many how many times

588
00:29:31,347 --> 00:29:35,107
Speaker 7: did the wingers scored really good tries? And in the

589
00:29:34,907 --> 00:29:37,707
Speaker 7: in the time he had them, we didn't score a

590
00:29:37,747 --> 00:29:41,107
Speaker 7: lot of great tries through the backs. And that's partly

591
00:29:41,187 --> 00:29:43,787
Speaker 7: him and this and his coaching. Now on the Donald

592
00:29:43,787 --> 00:29:48,307
Speaker 7: wereleft after a month, Jason Holland decides to go and

593
00:29:48,347 --> 00:29:53,827
Speaker 7: now he's helping Willington n Hurricanes. So here's a problem

594
00:29:53,867 --> 00:29:56,467
Speaker 7: with his man management. Don't get me wrong. I like

595
00:29:56,507 --> 00:29:59,667
Speaker 7: Scott Robinson. I hope he does really well with the

596
00:29:59,707 --> 00:30:02,027
Speaker 7: next phase to go through. But at the end of

597
00:30:02,027 --> 00:30:05,587
Speaker 7: the day, we've got to move on. And I think

598
00:30:05,627 --> 00:30:08,787
Speaker 7: probably they made give it to Swift before they give

599
00:30:08,787 --> 00:30:13,547
Speaker 7: it to Jamie Joseph because I think Jamie Joseph would

600
00:30:13,547 --> 00:30:15,387
Speaker 7: want to have it. Was just going to get it

601
00:30:15,427 --> 00:30:19,667
Speaker 7: after the next World Cup with Swift as he finishes

602
00:30:20,027 --> 00:30:25,347
Speaker 7: in Australia in July and easily take over.

603
00:30:26,147 --> 00:30:26,387
Speaker 8: Mate.

604
00:30:26,867 --> 00:30:30,507
Speaker 2: And yes, sorry, Joey, I do have to move mate,

605
00:30:30,507 --> 00:30:32,787
Speaker 2: I've got I've got a board full of calls. I

606
00:30:32,787 --> 00:30:35,347
Speaker 2: want to get on. But mate, you've made some great

607
00:30:35,347 --> 00:30:38,387
Speaker 2: points in there and you've you've kicked us off really well. Yeah,

608
00:30:38,427 --> 00:30:40,627
Speaker 2: the nature of the defeat, somebody's asked, you know, how

609
00:30:40,667 --> 00:30:43,867
Speaker 2: does Scott Robertson's winning record compared to other All Blacks coaches.

610
00:30:43,867 --> 00:30:46,707
Speaker 2: I've got that information here and we can get to that. Hello, Sandra,

611
00:30:46,787 --> 00:30:47,467
Speaker 2: thank you for holding.

612
00:30:48,187 --> 00:30:51,027
Speaker 9: Hello Jason, it's the first time I've called you. Now

613
00:30:51,187 --> 00:30:53,907
Speaker 9: I'm I'm bringing you from a woman's point of view.

614
00:30:54,147 --> 00:30:57,307
Speaker 9: But I would like to have thought that Ardie sa

615
00:30:57,427 --> 00:31:01,587
Speaker 9: there going to David Kirk and telling him. Then David

616
00:31:01,667 --> 00:31:05,187
Speaker 9: Kirk gets twenty top All Blacks and talks to them

617
00:31:05,267 --> 00:31:09,307
Speaker 9: about Scott. I think it should have been done more professional. Yes,

618
00:31:09,427 --> 00:31:12,627
Speaker 9: they work under Scott, but a guy to lose his

619
00:31:12,787 --> 00:31:15,667
Speaker 9: job like that, I don't think I'll ever watch an

620
00:31:15,707 --> 00:31:19,307
Speaker 9: All Black game again. If the start, if the players

621
00:31:19,347 --> 00:31:22,867
Speaker 9: had that, you know, are able to do that to

622
00:31:22,947 --> 00:31:27,027
Speaker 9: a man. And Jason now he cannot get another job

623
00:31:27,107 --> 00:31:29,747
Speaker 9: for a year. What are they trying to do to him?

624
00:31:30,027 --> 00:31:33,787
Speaker 9: Even if it was another like En Foster, he wasn't

625
00:31:33,867 --> 00:31:37,187
Speaker 9: treated like that. But didn't the staff have the guts

626
00:31:37,827 --> 00:31:42,667
Speaker 9: to say something to Scott when they were playing the game,

627
00:31:43,187 --> 00:31:44,747
Speaker 9: not leave it till they come home?

628
00:31:45,187 --> 00:31:48,507
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so let's just freighten out a couple of

629
00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:51,867
Speaker 2: facts here. So the artie didn't go to David Kirk

630
00:31:51,947 --> 00:31:55,747
Speaker 2: and say, hey, I've got a problem with Razor. What

631
00:31:56,067 --> 00:31:57,867
Speaker 2: happens at the end of every year is that they

632
00:31:57,907 --> 00:32:01,147
Speaker 2: have a review and a number of players, and in

633
00:32:01,187 --> 00:32:03,427
Speaker 2: this case is I understand it, it was twenty players

634
00:32:03,427 --> 00:32:06,787
Speaker 2: were all canvassed for their opinions. Ardie sav was one

635
00:32:06,787 --> 00:32:10,267
Speaker 2: of those, and the twenty players were all very honest

636
00:32:10,307 --> 00:32:12,827
Speaker 2: as they should be in their views as to how

637
00:32:13,307 --> 00:32:16,347
Speaker 2: things were going in the all blacks environment and taking

638
00:32:16,347 --> 00:32:19,787
Speaker 2: that feedback on board. David Kirk, along with Kevin Mealamu

639
00:32:19,867 --> 00:32:22,347
Speaker 2: and Don Tricker, who were the others involved in the

640
00:32:23,027 --> 00:32:25,587
Speaker 2: in the in the review, have taken all that feedback

641
00:32:25,627 --> 00:32:29,947
Speaker 2: on board and made a decision using that as part

642
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Speaker 2: of their decision making process. And we don't know whether

643
00:32:34,267 --> 00:32:38,387
Speaker 2: Ardie approached Scott Robertson internally and said, hey, boss, can

644
00:32:38,427 --> 00:32:40,107
Speaker 2: we have a quiet chat. I've just wanted this a

645
00:32:40,147 --> 00:32:42,427
Speaker 2: couple of things I'd quite like to chat to you about.

646
00:32:42,507 --> 00:32:46,347
Speaker 2: So we don't know that, but yeah, I can understand

647
00:32:46,387 --> 00:32:49,347
Speaker 2: how it looks as though the players have pushed them out,

648
00:32:49,387 --> 00:32:51,907
Speaker 2: and that's been one of the themes that's been prevalent

649
00:32:51,947 --> 00:32:54,347
Speaker 2: in the last seventy two hours that a lot of

650
00:32:54,347 --> 00:32:58,267
Speaker 2: people feel as though player power is at play here.

651
00:32:58,427 --> 00:33:01,347
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure that that is what has happened.

652
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Speaker 9: Sandra, No, because look, there was a problem earlier on

653
00:33:05,467 --> 00:33:07,387
Speaker 9: in life where you will deal with it at the

654
00:33:07,467 --> 00:33:11,547
Speaker 9: time and interfester on it. It's worse when it comes back. Look,

655
00:33:11,547 --> 00:33:14,947
Speaker 9: it's gutted me as a real rug and yes I

656
00:33:15,027 --> 00:33:18,387
Speaker 9: am from Canterbury, but it gutters me than a man

657
00:33:18,547 --> 00:33:22,707
Speaker 9: with children. And now he's got a wait a year

658
00:33:23,267 --> 00:33:26,587
Speaker 9: to be able to go for another job. Jason, it

659
00:33:26,787 --> 00:33:28,147
Speaker 9: just upsets me greatly.

660
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Speaker 2: Yes, I can hear that in your voice, Sandra, and

661
00:33:30,547 --> 00:33:33,267
Speaker 2: I appreciate you calling. I do. Please don't wait so

662
00:33:33,347 --> 00:33:35,867
Speaker 2: long to call again. I think Scott Robinson will be

663
00:33:35,907 --> 00:33:39,747
Speaker 2: okay in terms of he will get a payout and

664
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Speaker 2: depending on who you believe and which numbers you believe,

665
00:33:42,787 --> 00:33:45,427
Speaker 2: and we don't know the numbers, it is a significant

666
00:33:45,427 --> 00:33:49,347
Speaker 2: payout so he's not going to have to worry financially.

667
00:33:49,867 --> 00:33:52,307
Speaker 2: But that's just a side issue. He'll want to coach again.

668
00:33:52,387 --> 00:33:55,947
Speaker 2: He is a rugby man, a bone deep rugby man

669
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Speaker 2: who will want to get his hands on a rugby

670
00:33:58,627 --> 00:34:03,267
Speaker 2: team again. Soon he will get that opportunity. Yes, I

671
00:34:03,307 --> 00:34:07,547
Speaker 2: also think that the from what I've read, the restriction

672
00:34:07,627 --> 00:34:10,667
Speaker 2: around coaching is only an international team. I think if

673
00:34:10,667 --> 00:34:13,307
Speaker 2: he wanted to, he could go into a club role.

674
00:34:13,907 --> 00:34:16,427
Speaker 2: Stand to be corrected, but I think the restriction around

675
00:34:17,147 --> 00:34:19,707
Speaker 2: around Scott robertson the restraint of trade, if you like,

676
00:34:19,867 --> 00:34:22,987
Speaker 2: is only with international teams because obviously they're going to

677
00:34:22,987 --> 00:34:25,187
Speaker 2: be coming up against the All Blacks. If a club

678
00:34:25,387 --> 00:34:28,067
Speaker 2: gig came up, I'm pretty sure he'd be allowed to

679
00:34:28,067 --> 00:34:30,147
Speaker 2: take it against Andra. Thank you for your call. Sixteen

680
00:34:30,147 --> 00:34:31,947
Speaker 2: away from one back with more after.

681
00:34:31,747 --> 00:34:35,787
Speaker 1: This, it's more than just a game. Weekends for it.

682
00:34:36,027 --> 00:34:40,147
Speaker 1: With Jason Hyne and TJ. Garnomes, New Zealand's most trusted

683
00:34:40,187 --> 00:34:41,627
Speaker 1: home builder News Talks.

684
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Speaker 2: They'd be Jason to missus. David Kirk's comment they do

685
00:34:45,787 --> 00:34:47,987
Speaker 2: not need to pay Robertson out. I heard the comment,

686
00:34:48,027 --> 00:34:49,747
Speaker 2: but the comment was they don't have to pay the

687
00:34:49,787 --> 00:34:52,347
Speaker 2: two years. They have come to an arrangement. There is

688
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Speaker 2: a payout. It is not the full remaining two years

689
00:34:56,027 --> 00:35:00,467
Speaker 2: of the contract, but mark my words, it's a reasonable amount.

690
00:35:01,067 --> 00:35:02,707
Speaker 2: Jordans is spine. I'll be quite happy to get fired

691
00:35:02,707 --> 00:35:04,947
Speaker 2: publicly from my job before I get a big payout.

692
00:35:05,187 --> 00:35:08,987
Speaker 2: Unfortunately unlikely for me. I'm a teacher. Thank you, Jordan.

693
00:35:09,307 --> 00:35:12,187
Speaker 2: Hello Chris Piney.

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Speaker 10: Yes, I think this comes down to the three games

695
00:35:16,107 --> 00:35:19,787
Speaker 10: this year, first one being the Argentina and the type

696
00:35:19,787 --> 00:35:22,947
Speaker 10: of loss that was. But then at the same time

697
00:35:23,667 --> 00:35:25,987
Speaker 10: I also look at their same Argentina team. They beat

698
00:35:26,027 --> 00:35:28,787
Speaker 10: South Africa at home the year before, so they are

699
00:35:28,787 --> 00:35:31,507
Speaker 10: no slouches in the modern game. Then there was a

700
00:35:31,547 --> 00:35:34,387
Speaker 10: big bash that stated Africa put on us in Wellington

701
00:35:34,827 --> 00:35:38,427
Speaker 10: after we defended the Eden Park record against a two

702
00:35:38,507 --> 00:35:41,507
Speaker 10: times in a row winning champion team, and then they

703
00:35:41,507 --> 00:35:43,507
Speaker 10: put eleven or twelve new guys on in the next

704
00:35:43,507 --> 00:35:47,387
Speaker 10: week against a quite a tired team full of new

705
00:35:47,627 --> 00:35:52,507
Speaker 10: players learning their spell and international rugby. So the English game,

706
00:35:52,547 --> 00:35:54,947
Speaker 10: if we had made those two touch finders and not

707
00:35:55,187 --> 00:35:58,067
Speaker 10: done a dumb tapping down a turnover, that could have

708
00:35:58,067 --> 00:36:00,827
Speaker 10: been a completely different game as well. So I don't

709
00:36:00,827 --> 00:36:05,867
Speaker 10: think the Scott Robinson coaching era was too far off.

710
00:36:06,347 --> 00:36:08,227
Speaker 10: It's just he had to blood a whole new team

711
00:36:08,307 --> 00:36:13,227
Speaker 10: in New Zealand wasn't ready for these types of results.

712
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Speaker 7: After we.

713
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris, do you think that if they'd beaten England

714
00:36:17,027 --> 00:36:20,587
Speaker 2: at Twickenham in mid November and gone on to they

715
00:36:20,627 --> 00:36:22,907
Speaker 2: would have beaten Wales? I mean, you know Wales are

716
00:36:22,907 --> 00:36:24,907
Speaker 2: a rebel. They would have won that game. So if

717
00:36:24,907 --> 00:36:28,507
Speaker 2: they'd won the Grand Slam, do you think that would

718
00:36:28,507 --> 00:36:31,747
Speaker 2: have been enough? If seventy four percent wasn't enough from

719
00:36:31,787 --> 00:36:34,547
Speaker 2: the keeper's job. Do you think seventy eight percent would

720
00:36:34,627 --> 00:36:35,027
Speaker 2: have been?

721
00:36:36,147 --> 00:36:39,787
Speaker 10: Well, it should have. Again, it was three or four

722
00:36:40,027 --> 00:36:43,187
Speaker 10: classic actually that game against England we were horrible. We

723
00:36:43,307 --> 00:36:46,107
Speaker 10: deserved that loss, but there was player eras if you

724
00:36:46,147 --> 00:36:48,227
Speaker 10: look at it. We maintained the Bletter Slow Cup run,

725
00:36:48,627 --> 00:36:53,427
Speaker 10: we defended the Ingen Park record. We got one test

726
00:36:53,827 --> 00:36:57,067
Speaker 10: out of two against the solid Argentine side that they

727
00:36:57,067 --> 00:36:59,067
Speaker 10: have never been as strong as they are. They are

728
00:36:59,067 --> 00:37:01,667
Speaker 10: on the grow as well. So I mean the days

729
00:37:01,707 --> 00:37:04,987
Speaker 10: of the All Blacks winning eighty five ninety percent tests

730
00:37:05,067 --> 00:37:07,787
Speaker 10: are over. The world have seen what we've done, have

731
00:37:07,947 --> 00:37:10,747
Speaker 10: caught up with us, and you can't show any more

732
00:37:10,787 --> 00:37:13,987
Speaker 10: peak than being at peak. We've just got to accept

733
00:37:13,987 --> 00:37:16,347
Speaker 10: that the international game is so much tighter than that

734
00:37:16,547 --> 00:37:17,827
Speaker 10: ever used to be in history.

735
00:37:18,307 --> 00:37:20,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I guess as a result, then as

736
00:37:20,707 --> 00:37:22,787
Speaker 2: a result then Chris, I think what they've obviously done

737
00:37:22,827 --> 00:37:25,907
Speaker 2: has shone a light on things beyond the scoreboard here,

738
00:37:26,387 --> 00:37:29,547
Speaker 2: because I think you're right. I look at well. I

739
00:37:29,547 --> 00:37:32,707
Speaker 2: think if we if we've beaten England at Twickenham and

740
00:37:32,747 --> 00:37:36,147
Speaker 2: that won the Grand Slam, I still think the review

741
00:37:36,187 --> 00:37:37,747
Speaker 2: at the end of the year might not have been

742
00:37:37,747 --> 00:37:40,627
Speaker 2: that favorable. You know that that was the what the

743
00:37:40,667 --> 00:37:45,147
Speaker 2: twenty sixth of twenty seven test matches that the You

744
00:37:45,187 --> 00:37:48,827
Speaker 2: know that that Scott Robertson had overseen if they'd wanted

745
00:37:48,867 --> 00:37:51,867
Speaker 2: it would again. I think this is clearly looked beyond

746
00:37:51,867 --> 00:37:54,667
Speaker 2: the scoreboard in terms of the reasoning behind the decision,

747
00:37:54,667 --> 00:37:57,787
Speaker 2: because otherwise, you know, like I say, he's he's second

748
00:37:57,827 --> 00:38:01,947
Speaker 2: only to Rassi Erasmus during his time in terms of results,

749
00:38:02,027 --> 00:38:03,947
Speaker 2: so there must be there's clearly, and I think we

750
00:38:03,987 --> 00:38:05,867
Speaker 2: both know this more to it than just what's on

751
00:38:05,867 --> 00:38:06,347
Speaker 2: the school board.

752
00:38:07,547 --> 00:38:10,707
Speaker 10: I would be also interested to see. I mean, obviously

753
00:38:10,747 --> 00:38:13,147
Speaker 10: they do player reviews, they did it every year at

754
00:38:13,187 --> 00:38:15,947
Speaker 10: Super rugby and provincial rugby as well, but I'd be

755
00:38:15,987 --> 00:38:20,147
Speaker 10: interested to see, like how many few tests All Blacks

756
00:38:20,187 --> 00:38:22,507
Speaker 10: coaches have coached in the past. I know you won't

757
00:38:22,547 --> 00:38:24,547
Speaker 10: have that in front of you, but after how many

758
00:38:24,587 --> 00:38:27,067
Speaker 10: tests have you been dumped? I think this would be

759
00:38:27,067 --> 00:38:31,347
Speaker 10: one of the shortest tinges of an all Black coach

760
00:38:31,987 --> 00:38:35,267
Speaker 10: in history in terms of games. I'm not sure, but

761
00:38:35,947 --> 00:38:39,107
Speaker 10: I just think we honestly sorry about the birds, so

762
00:38:40,467 --> 00:38:44,187
Speaker 10: it should have given him more time because he was

763
00:38:44,307 --> 00:38:46,947
Speaker 10: he had nineteen new players over two years. He was

764
00:38:46,987 --> 00:38:50,507
Speaker 10: doing the right thing. He was developing, developing us for

765
00:38:50,627 --> 00:38:55,387
Speaker 10: a World Cup and trying to maintain key records that

766
00:38:55,427 --> 00:39:00,107
Speaker 10: we have got. That are you know, black liars. You know,

767
00:39:00,107 --> 00:39:03,147
Speaker 10: he can't lose the Baerslow, can't lose twice in a

768
00:39:03,227 --> 00:39:03,867
Speaker 10: row to South.

769
00:39:04,027 --> 00:39:04,547
Speaker 6: Stuff like that.

770
00:39:04,667 --> 00:39:04,907
Speaker 8: You know.

771
00:39:05,827 --> 00:39:08,907
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just think it's a sad day such a

772
00:39:08,947 --> 00:39:11,507
Speaker 10: talented coach to be sacked so early.

773
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Speaker 2: Chris, Thanks for your call, mate, in regards to the

774
00:39:14,587 --> 00:39:16,547
Speaker 2: to the birds as well. Always good to hear from

775
00:39:16,587 --> 00:39:21,147
Speaker 2: them too, mate, Andrew, what's on your mind about this whole?

776
00:39:21,427 --> 00:39:22,827
Speaker 2: I mean, take it anywhere you like.

777
00:39:24,547 --> 00:39:27,627
Speaker 11: Yeah, The thing to me that's verily obvious is that

778
00:39:27,707 --> 00:39:32,267
Speaker 11: even without a with a reasonably good win record, he's

779
00:39:32,307 --> 00:39:36,467
Speaker 11: obviously lost the changing ring, right based on a europe

780
00:39:36,507 --> 00:39:38,387
Speaker 11: You look at it statistically and say, hey, you know,

781
00:39:38,467 --> 00:39:42,867
Speaker 11: look at the win loss record. I mean, they're not

782
00:39:42,907 --> 00:39:45,467
Speaker 11: going to drop a coach with a win loss record

783
00:39:45,547 --> 00:39:47,587
Speaker 11: like that. I take a point about the England game

784
00:39:47,987 --> 00:39:50,667
Speaker 11: unless I've lost the changing rate, you know, that's the

785
00:39:51,387 --> 00:39:53,667
Speaker 11: and I've seen you. If he's lost senior playing, they're

786
00:39:53,707 --> 00:39:55,587
Speaker 11: just not going to play for him, that's one point.

787
00:39:55,907 --> 00:39:57,667
Speaker 11: The other thing is that sort of might.

788
00:39:57,707 --> 00:39:59,267
Speaker 8: I've always sort of looked at it in.

789
00:39:59,267 --> 00:40:03,147
Speaker 11: Terms of how he went about getting appointed, and he

790
00:40:03,307 --> 00:40:06,187
Speaker 11: forced the New Zealand Rugby Union to appoint him before

791
00:40:06,187 --> 00:40:09,667
Speaker 11: the before the World Cup. He was involved in a

792
00:40:09,667 --> 00:40:15,387
Speaker 11: process that completely undermined Foster, like completely undermined him, and he.

793
00:40:15,427 --> 00:40:16,427
Speaker 8: Knew he was doing it.

794
00:40:16,827 --> 00:40:20,307
Speaker 11: For me, that goes towards the lack of character, and

795
00:40:20,667 --> 00:40:22,627
Speaker 11: that type of thing will always catch up with you

796
00:40:22,707 --> 00:40:24,587
Speaker 11: when you're trying to manage people. And it may not

797
00:40:24,627 --> 00:40:26,427
Speaker 11: have caught up with him with the Crusaders because he

798
00:40:26,507 --> 00:40:29,427
Speaker 11: never did anything like that. The story I've heard too

799
00:40:29,547 --> 00:40:31,227
Speaker 11: is that I think he went up to Europe for

800
00:40:31,227 --> 00:40:33,227
Speaker 11: the World Cup and I don't know this. I've got

801
00:40:33,227 --> 00:40:34,947
Speaker 11: nothing to back this up. And the story I heard

802
00:40:34,987 --> 00:40:37,547
Speaker 11: of it he was up there and he was talking

803
00:40:37,547 --> 00:40:39,787
Speaker 11: to players and it got to the extent where Foster

804
00:40:39,867 --> 00:40:42,507
Speaker 11: had this out of the players, Hey listen, I don't

805
00:40:42,507 --> 00:40:46,307
Speaker 11: want you talking to Scott Robinson. So someone who's capable

806
00:40:46,347 --> 00:40:49,747
Speaker 11: of underminding someone who's in a position they're trying to

807
00:40:49,787 --> 00:40:53,907
Speaker 11: get by the all black coach's job, that's a glaring cramp.

808
00:40:54,787 --> 00:40:58,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, Androd I do have to move mate. Yeah, you've

809
00:40:58,467 --> 00:41:03,827
Speaker 2: landed on it. Basically, it's beyond the results. Something else

810
00:41:03,947 --> 00:41:06,507
Speaker 2: is at play here, obviously, thanks for calling mate. One

811
00:41:07,107 --> 00:41:08,587
Speaker 2: message from Will. If the All Blacks have won the

812
00:41:08,587 --> 00:41:11,227
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three World Cup with this decision still have

813
00:41:11,267 --> 00:41:13,187
Speaker 2: been made. Is the fact that having not won a

814
00:41:13,227 --> 00:41:15,987
Speaker 2: World Cup in eight years? Is that a difference if

815
00:41:15,987 --> 00:41:18,227
Speaker 2: we were holding it now? The importance of winning the

816
00:41:18,227 --> 00:41:20,627
Speaker 2: next one since it's been so long. If we'd one

817
00:41:20,627 --> 00:41:24,547
Speaker 2: and twenty three would raise a still be there. This

818
00:41:24,627 --> 00:41:26,227
Speaker 2: is New Zealand and this is the All Blacks we're

819
00:41:26,227 --> 00:41:28,907
Speaker 2: talking about. Will goes on to say thanks mate. After

820
00:41:29,267 --> 00:41:32,387
Speaker 2: one we're off to South Africa. What do they make

821
00:41:32,507 --> 00:41:32,947
Speaker 2: of all this?

822
00:41:34,667 --> 00:41:37,107
Speaker 1: It is the only place to discuss the biggest sports

823
00:41:37,107 --> 00:41:41,067
Speaker 1: issues on and after field. It's all on wee jams

824
00:41:41,147 --> 00:41:46,187
Speaker 1: forward with Jason Paine on your home of Sport US Talk.

825
00:41:47,747 --> 00:41:49,667
Speaker 2: You've talked to me one O seven. This is Weekend Sport.

826
00:41:49,707 --> 00:41:53,107
Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine with Ana McDonald looking after things behind

827
00:41:53,107 --> 00:41:57,707
Speaker 2: the scenes and sometimes on stage as well. Thank you

828
00:41:57,747 --> 00:42:00,427
Speaker 2: for all your texts. I have never I know I

829
00:42:00,467 --> 00:42:03,027
Speaker 2: say this a bit, but I've never seen so much

830
00:42:03,067 --> 00:42:08,147
Speaker 2: feedback on one issue. I have not just today and yesterday,

831
00:42:08,627 --> 00:42:11,547
Speaker 2: but over the last one hundred hours, whatever it's been

832
00:42:11,587 --> 00:42:15,787
Speaker 2: since this broke, it has been unprecedented. Now, just to

833
00:42:15,987 --> 00:42:18,627
Speaker 2: cover off a couple of things from last hour, one

834
00:42:18,627 --> 00:42:21,947
Speaker 2: of our corps asked about the length of Scott Robertson's

835
00:42:22,027 --> 00:42:25,467
Speaker 2: tenure and how that compares to other coaches. I can

836
00:42:25,507 --> 00:42:27,707
Speaker 2: tell you if we just take the Professional Era, so

837
00:42:27,747 --> 00:42:33,387
Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety six onwards, only Sir Wayne Smith has

838
00:42:33,427 --> 00:42:37,027
Speaker 2: had a shorter tenure than Scott Robertson. He was in

839
00:42:37,107 --> 00:42:40,987
Speaker 2: charge for seventeen test matches in two thousand and two

840
00:42:41,027 --> 00:42:46,147
Speaker 2: thousand and one. Scott Robertson twenty seven test matches between

841
00:42:46,627 --> 00:42:49,507
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five. John Mitchell I

842
00:42:49,547 --> 00:42:51,787
Speaker 2: had thirty at the Helm. He took over from Wayne Smith,

843
00:42:51,827 --> 00:42:55,107
Speaker 2: of course at the back end of one through until

844
00:42:55,107 --> 00:42:58,147
Speaker 2: the two thousand and three World Cup. Then you find

845
00:42:58,187 --> 00:43:02,307
Speaker 2: Ian Foster forty six test matches in charge. John Hart

846
00:43:02,667 --> 00:43:05,427
Speaker 2: first all blacks coach in the Professional Era, fifty between

847
00:43:05,467 --> 00:43:09,107
Speaker 2: ninety six and ninety none, Sir Graham Henry one hundred

848
00:43:09,187 --> 00:43:13,467
Speaker 2: and six test matches from four to twenty eleven, the

849
00:43:13,547 --> 00:43:15,587
Speaker 2: last of those, of course, the Rugby World Cup Final

850
00:43:15,667 --> 00:43:19,187
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven, and Sir Steve Hanson one hundred and

851
00:43:19,387 --> 00:43:24,067
Speaker 2: nine Test matches from twenty twelve to the twenty nineteen

852
00:43:24,147 --> 00:43:27,267
Speaker 2: Rugby World Cup Final. Sole's answer to the question, only

853
00:43:27,267 --> 00:43:30,227
Speaker 2: Sir Wayne Smith had a shorter tenure in the professional

854
00:43:30,267 --> 00:43:35,867
Speaker 2: era than Scott Robertson. Did your calls and correspondence continue

855
00:43:35,867 --> 00:43:38,987
Speaker 2: to be welcome. We'll try and get as many of

856
00:43:39,027 --> 00:43:41,187
Speaker 2: you on the air as we possibly can. We do

857
00:43:41,267 --> 00:43:42,507
Speaker 2: have to move this our I want to get you

858
00:43:42,547 --> 00:43:45,627
Speaker 2: to Perth where Christopher Reeve has been watching, not the

859
00:43:45,987 --> 00:43:48,507
Speaker 2: actor who played Superman. Chris Reeve from the New Zealand

860
00:43:48,507 --> 00:43:53,467
Speaker 2: Herald has been watching sale GP and this disaster yesterday

861
00:43:53,507 --> 00:43:58,427
Speaker 2: with the Blackfaws basically crashing into the Swiss boat, damaging

862
00:43:58,467 --> 00:44:01,107
Speaker 2: their own boat and earning a big penalty. James mcconey

863
00:44:01,187 --> 00:44:04,427
Speaker 2: this hour as well, with his regular Sunday offerings.

864
00:44:04,827 --> 00:44:09,067
Speaker 4: Thoroughly embarrassing for the All Blacks, but a wonderful night

865
00:44:09,307 --> 00:44:13,187
Speaker 4: for South Africa. They have demolished the All Blacks, they

866
00:44:13,187 --> 00:44:14,827
Speaker 4: have humiliated the All Blacks.

867
00:44:15,347 --> 00:44:18,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Wellington mid year. Let's get a South

868
00:44:18,307 --> 00:44:21,267
Speaker 2: African view on what's played out in the last few days.

869
00:44:21,267 --> 00:44:24,867
Speaker 2: It was a great pleasure during the year to meet

870
00:44:25,027 --> 00:44:28,867
Speaker 2: Dan Houton, the founder of the South African rugby supporters group,

871
00:44:29,187 --> 00:44:31,907
Speaker 2: the Brye Army. He was here with a whole bunch

872
00:44:31,987 --> 00:44:34,387
Speaker 2: of his countrymen for both of those test matches Auckland

873
00:44:34,427 --> 00:44:36,987
Speaker 2: and that one in Wellington. He joins us now from

874
00:44:37,027 --> 00:44:40,627
Speaker 2: Cape Town. Dan, thanks for giving us some South African

875
00:44:40,707 --> 00:44:43,987
Speaker 2: insight into this. First of all, in general terms, how

876
00:44:44,027 --> 00:44:46,947
Speaker 2: big a surprise was it to hear the news that

877
00:44:47,027 --> 00:44:49,947
Speaker 2: Scott Robertson was gone as All Blacks coach.

878
00:44:53,147 --> 00:44:54,867
Speaker 3: Well, we're very surprised.

879
00:44:55,747 --> 00:44:57,987
Speaker 12: I guess we had heard some stuff in the press

880
00:44:58,067 --> 00:45:00,787
Speaker 12: like everyone else about when he did your review. I

881
00:45:00,787 --> 00:45:03,707
Speaker 12: think Ardie Severe said some stuff that he was going

882
00:45:03,747 --> 00:45:06,147
Speaker 12: to leave the All Blacks and all that, which obviously

883
00:45:06,187 --> 00:45:09,347
Speaker 12: is not a great thing. So yeah, but still like

884
00:45:09,907 --> 00:45:15,227
Speaker 12: quite dramatic sack your coach eighteen months or two years

885
00:45:15,267 --> 00:45:16,147
Speaker 12: just before the World Cup.

886
00:45:16,867 --> 00:45:19,107
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite a dramatic move by you, guys.

887
00:45:19,027 --> 00:45:22,107
Speaker 12: So I hope it works out for you.

888
00:45:22,187 --> 00:45:22,867
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not ready.

889
00:45:25,667 --> 00:45:28,627
Speaker 2: You said that for gritted teeth. I love it. I

890
00:45:28,667 --> 00:45:28,947
Speaker 2: love it.

891
00:45:28,947 --> 00:45:30,347
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, no exactly.

892
00:45:31,027 --> 00:45:33,187
Speaker 2: Well, there is a bit of a parallel here, isn't

893
00:45:33,187 --> 00:45:36,747
Speaker 2: there with what happened in South African rugby Alista Kurtzyer

894
00:45:36,827 --> 00:45:40,347
Speaker 2: sacked in early twenty eighteen, least than two years later,

895
00:45:40,507 --> 00:45:43,107
Speaker 2: your World champions and then you repeat it in twenty

896
00:45:43,147 --> 00:45:46,907
Speaker 2: twenty three. Can New Zealand rugby fans take heart from

897
00:45:46,987 --> 00:45:51,027
Speaker 2: the history of South Africa in the last six or

898
00:45:51,067 --> 00:45:52,427
Speaker 2: seven years.

899
00:45:53,307 --> 00:45:55,427
Speaker 12: I think so, But you've also got a look at

900
00:45:55,467 --> 00:45:59,307
Speaker 12: a perspective. At the time, South Africa were ranked number

901
00:45:59,347 --> 00:46:02,587
Speaker 12: six or seven in the world. I think when Russi

902
00:46:02,707 --> 00:46:06,587
Speaker 12: took over, so it was about twenty eighteen, there's no

903
00:46:06,587 --> 00:46:09,347
Speaker 12: real pressure on him and the tilet was always going

904
00:46:09,387 --> 00:46:12,627
Speaker 12: to be the twenty twenty three World Cup, whereas New

905
00:46:12,707 --> 00:46:15,547
Speaker 12: Zealand ranked number two right now in the world, and

906
00:46:16,107 --> 00:46:19,787
Speaker 12: the twenty twenty seven World Cup is always going to

907
00:46:19,827 --> 00:46:21,347
Speaker 12: be the one that you guys are going to be

908
00:46:21,387 --> 00:46:24,427
Speaker 12: wanting to win, not necessarily twenty thirty one. So I

909
00:46:24,427 --> 00:46:27,507
Speaker 12: think like the pressures are a little bit different, but

910
00:46:28,227 --> 00:46:31,627
Speaker 12: there is definitely hope for New Zealand. You guys are

911
00:46:31,627 --> 00:46:33,627
Speaker 12: still number two in the world, let's be honest, You're

912
00:46:33,827 --> 00:46:37,427
Speaker 12: you've still got some great players. So but you've got

913
00:46:37,507 --> 00:46:41,307
Speaker 12: high standards as well, and I think maybe that's well,

914
00:46:41,667 --> 00:46:43,507
Speaker 12: it's a good thing to have high standards, I guess.

915
00:46:43,547 --> 00:46:47,067
Speaker 3: So, yeah, we're still afraid of you, don't worry.

916
00:46:47,187 --> 00:46:48,947
Speaker 2: Okay, Well then we respect you.

917
00:46:49,107 --> 00:46:51,507
Speaker 3: Respect. You're not afraid afraid. It's not the right word,

918
00:46:51,707 --> 00:46:52,707
Speaker 3: respect you massively.

919
00:46:52,827 --> 00:46:56,307
Speaker 2: So yeah, Well, South African rugby fans, more than I

920
00:46:56,347 --> 00:46:59,547
Speaker 2: think any other rugby fans around the world, understand the

921
00:46:59,587 --> 00:47:03,107
Speaker 2: harsh brutality of this job or Black's head coach. But

922
00:47:03,547 --> 00:47:05,307
Speaker 2: I mean, do you have a degree of sympathy for

923
00:47:05,347 --> 00:47:08,747
Speaker 2: a guy who had a seventy four percent win record

924
00:47:08,947 --> 00:47:12,267
Speaker 2: during his time as All Blacks coach. Only Rasi Erasmus

925
00:47:12,307 --> 00:47:17,147
Speaker 2: among international coaches had a better win record than Scott Robertson.

926
00:47:18,627 --> 00:47:21,947
Speaker 12: Yes, yeah, no, like he I think in the games

927
00:47:21,987 --> 00:47:24,667
Speaker 12: that we played, you beat us in Auckland, didn't you.

928
00:47:25,547 --> 00:47:27,987
Speaker 12: We we gave you a bit of a thrashing in Wellington.

929
00:47:28,907 --> 00:47:33,107
Speaker 12: But apart from that, losing to England obviously wasn't good

930
00:47:33,147 --> 00:47:37,187
Speaker 12: for you guys, but like, you weren't terrible, like, but

931
00:47:37,547 --> 00:47:40,667
Speaker 12: I've got a feeling like certainly like losing the dressing

932
00:47:40,747 --> 00:47:44,187
Speaker 12: room was a big thing for him and I'm not

933
00:47:44,227 --> 00:47:48,187
Speaker 12: too sure if like players should be able to take

934
00:47:48,467 --> 00:47:51,307
Speaker 12: matters into their own hands, which possibly could be termed

935
00:47:51,307 --> 00:47:53,867
Speaker 12: as Yeah.

936
00:47:53,587 --> 00:47:56,387
Speaker 3: It sets a bit of a precedent, doesn't it when

937
00:47:56,427 --> 00:47:57,187
Speaker 3: you do things like that.

938
00:47:57,387 --> 00:48:00,587
Speaker 12: So I hope that is not the only reason that

939
00:48:00,667 --> 00:48:04,987
Speaker 12: they took Scott down, But yeah, it certainly seems like

940
00:48:05,027 --> 00:48:07,187
Speaker 12: from what I've read or at least heard in the press,

941
00:48:07,507 --> 00:48:09,187
Speaker 12: that might have been one of the big reasons behind

942
00:48:09,267 --> 00:48:10,147
Speaker 12: him losing his job.

943
00:48:10,307 --> 00:48:12,987
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was certainly dissatisfaction among the playing group. There

944
00:48:12,987 --> 00:48:15,627
Speaker 2: were other factors that play as well. But when you

945
00:48:15,667 --> 00:48:18,347
Speaker 2: were here last year, Dan, obviously, as you say, there

946
00:48:18,427 --> 00:48:22,107
Speaker 2: was the Titanic struggle up at Auckland and then the

947
00:48:22,547 --> 00:48:25,107
Speaker 2: thrashing as you put it, and it's an apt term

948
00:48:25,267 --> 00:48:28,627
Speaker 2: in Wellington in and around that game, if you were

949
00:48:28,627 --> 00:48:31,347
Speaker 2: mixing with all Blacks fans, what sense did you get

950
00:48:31,387 --> 00:48:34,107
Speaker 2: after that game? Did you get a sense that this

951
00:48:34,187 --> 00:48:37,427
Speaker 2: might be a bit like you know twenty seventeen for Alistair,

952
00:48:37,547 --> 00:48:43,747
Speaker 2: in that a defeat of this magnitude might inevitably cost

953
00:48:44,027 --> 00:48:45,307
Speaker 2: Scott Robertson his job.

954
00:48:47,227 --> 00:48:49,227
Speaker 12: I think so like after that game, certainly, I think

955
00:48:49,227 --> 00:48:50,947
Speaker 12: a half time you guys might have been leading or

956
00:48:51,027 --> 00:48:53,707
Speaker 12: was very very close, and then we kind of blew

957
00:48:53,747 --> 00:48:56,947
Speaker 12: you away after halftime, and we had some good bands

958
00:48:56,947 --> 00:48:59,667
Speaker 12: are going in the crowd in the stands chatting about

959
00:48:59,667 --> 00:49:01,467
Speaker 12: the game at half time, and then at the end

960
00:49:01,507 --> 00:49:04,187
Speaker 12: of the game, everyone was pretty well All Black fans.

961
00:49:04,227 --> 00:49:07,867
Speaker 12: Of course, they were pretty dunk and you know, there

962
00:49:07,867 --> 00:49:10,467
Speaker 12: were handshakes gone around and well played et cetera. But

963
00:49:10,547 --> 00:49:13,587
Speaker 12: I kind of like got the feeling that there was

964
00:49:13,627 --> 00:49:17,787
Speaker 12: a lot of discontent amongst the All Blacks fans, and

965
00:49:18,587 --> 00:49:20,107
Speaker 12: I just yeah.

966
00:49:20,107 --> 00:49:22,907
Speaker 3: It's not nice being on the other foot.

967
00:49:23,307 --> 00:49:25,907
Speaker 12: She've been on the other foot, but it's like we've

968
00:49:25,907 --> 00:49:30,147
Speaker 12: been there, we've done that, but we've come back stronger.

969
00:49:30,427 --> 00:49:32,667
Speaker 3: And I think the All Blacks will be doing exactly that.

970
00:49:32,707 --> 00:49:35,627
Speaker 3: They'll be coming back stronger. This World Cup.

971
00:49:35,947 --> 00:49:37,787
Speaker 12: You know, it's in Australia and I'm sure there's lots

972
00:49:37,827 --> 00:49:39,187
Speaker 12: of Chymis that are going to be there, so it's

973
00:49:39,227 --> 00:49:41,147
Speaker 12: almost a bit like a bit of a home World

974
00:49:41,147 --> 00:49:44,507
Speaker 12: Cup for you guys as well. So I have no

975
00:49:44,587 --> 00:49:48,587
Speaker 12: doubt that it's just a short term thing. But yeah,

976
00:49:48,627 --> 00:49:51,067
Speaker 12: whoever the replacement is has got a tough job on

977
00:49:51,107 --> 00:49:52,027
Speaker 12: his hands, that's for sure.

978
00:49:52,107 --> 00:49:54,627
Speaker 2: Well, let's go there, because Jamie Joseph is the front

979
00:49:54,707 --> 00:49:57,787
Speaker 2: runner to take over. He's worked a lot with Tony Brown,

980
00:49:57,947 --> 00:50:03,947
Speaker 2: who was your attack way you've lean you've lent nicely

981
00:50:04,027 --> 00:50:06,107
Speaker 2: into my into my question. How big a blow would

982
00:50:06,107 --> 00:50:09,227
Speaker 2: it be if Tony Brown was somehow timmed it away?

983
00:50:09,307 --> 00:50:10,067
Speaker 3: He's a great coach.

984
00:50:10,947 --> 00:50:14,427
Speaker 12: Yeah, so well, I mean, like, if he wants to go,

985
00:50:14,507 --> 00:50:16,587
Speaker 12: I guess you can't really force the guard to stay

986
00:50:16,747 --> 00:50:18,827
Speaker 12: unless well you don't know what the contracts are like.

987
00:50:18,907 --> 00:50:21,867
Speaker 12: But you know, for any Kiwi, I'm sure the goal

988
00:50:21,987 --> 00:50:23,867
Speaker 12: is to be a coach of the All Blacks or

989
00:50:23,867 --> 00:50:26,427
Speaker 12: at least part of the coaching squad. So you know,

990
00:50:26,467 --> 00:50:29,387
Speaker 12: good honor, if Tony gets offered a roll there and

991
00:50:29,427 --> 00:50:31,267
Speaker 12: he wants it, then he should go for it.

992
00:50:31,347 --> 00:50:33,947
Speaker 3: But you know, he also might have quite a few

993
00:50:33,987 --> 00:50:34,427
Speaker 3: of our.

994
00:50:35,067 --> 00:50:38,147
Speaker 12: Plans, you know, written down, and he's going to be

995
00:50:38,147 --> 00:50:40,667
Speaker 12: passing him on to Jamie if he does get the job,

996
00:50:40,707 --> 00:50:44,187
Speaker 12: of course, you know. But uh, yeah, if he wants

997
00:50:44,267 --> 00:50:47,387
Speaker 12: to go, good for him, Like he's he's a great coach,

998
00:50:47,667 --> 00:50:50,827
Speaker 12: and yeah, I'm sure All Backs will be a lot

999
00:50:50,827 --> 00:50:53,227
Speaker 12: better or a lot stronger with him in the coaching team.

1000
00:50:53,347 --> 00:50:55,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of clamor

1001
00:50:55,667 --> 00:50:57,787
Speaker 2: I must say to try and get him out of there.

1002
00:50:58,347 --> 00:51:00,707
Speaker 2: But but then I try to get myself inside Tony

1003
00:51:00,707 --> 00:51:02,907
Speaker 2: Brown's head, you know, Dan and I and I think

1004
00:51:02,907 --> 00:51:06,267
Speaker 2: to myself, well, he's he's an absolutely world class setter

1005
00:51:06,747 --> 00:51:10,347
Speaker 2: working alongside Rasi Erasmus, a generational coach, with a World

1006
00:51:10,387 --> 00:51:12,907
Speaker 2: Cup now less than two years away. The All Blacks

1007
00:51:12,907 --> 00:51:16,587
Speaker 2: coaching job may well be there for him beyond twenty

1008
00:51:16,667 --> 00:51:19,587
Speaker 2: twenty seven. So can you see a scenario under which

1009
00:51:19,587 --> 00:51:22,667
Speaker 2: Tony Brown actually stays with you guys at least until

1010
00:51:22,667 --> 00:51:23,587
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven?

1011
00:51:24,907 --> 00:51:27,227
Speaker 12: Yeah, potentially, I mean it might get in the All

1012
00:51:27,227 --> 00:51:29,707
Speaker 12: Blacks coaching role might be a poisoned chalice as well.

1013
00:51:29,987 --> 00:51:33,787
Speaker 12: You know, you're there for a couple of years, you

1014
00:51:33,867 --> 00:51:37,227
Speaker 12: don't win the World Cup and then you're out, and

1015
00:51:37,267 --> 00:51:39,387
Speaker 12: then whoever comes in has least got four years in

1016
00:51:39,427 --> 00:51:42,147
Speaker 12: which to build them up to where is It's in USA?

1017
00:51:42,187 --> 00:51:44,747
Speaker 12: Isn't it the next one? So twenty thirty one World

1018
00:51:44,747 --> 00:51:49,027
Speaker 12: Cup in USA? So yeah, maybe it is best just

1019
00:51:49,067 --> 00:51:52,707
Speaker 12: to hold fire. And I know that's where his contract

1020
00:51:52,747 --> 00:51:57,987
Speaker 12: runs up to his twenty twenty seven So do that please?

1021
00:51:59,427 --> 00:52:01,907
Speaker 12: I would say, like it would be preferable for us

1022
00:52:02,347 --> 00:52:07,427
Speaker 12: if he did that, definitely, But from your guysive, I

1023
00:52:07,467 --> 00:52:09,907
Speaker 12: guess you guys want the best coaches out there to

1024
00:52:09,947 --> 00:52:13,827
Speaker 12: be the All Blacks, and definitely, in our opinion, Tony

1025
00:52:13,827 --> 00:52:15,507
Speaker 12: Brown is like one of the best out there.

1026
00:52:16,067 --> 00:52:18,427
Speaker 2: So we're on our way to you later this year

1027
00:52:18,467 --> 00:52:22,267
Speaker 2: for the greatest rivalry tour that is set to be

1028
00:52:22,307 --> 00:52:25,547
Speaker 2: an absolute cracker. How much are spring Box fans looking

1029
00:52:25,587 --> 00:52:28,227
Speaker 2: forward to to the All Backs coming over for three tests?

1030
00:52:28,227 --> 00:52:30,107
Speaker 2: Obviously we don't know where the fourth one is yet,

1031
00:52:30,187 --> 00:52:33,147
Speaker 2: but how much are you and the bry Army and

1032
00:52:33,427 --> 00:52:34,707
Speaker 2: South African fans looking.

1033
00:52:34,547 --> 00:52:34,907
Speaker 6: Forward to that?

1034
00:52:35,107 --> 00:52:36,747
Speaker 3: It's huge, huge.

1035
00:52:36,787 --> 00:52:40,267
Speaker 12: I mean, like we've got a big overseas supporters based

1036
00:52:40,307 --> 00:52:43,707
Speaker 12: in Europe, and like I've had loads of people saying

1037
00:52:43,907 --> 00:52:47,067
Speaker 12: they're coming. South African expats who live in Europe saying

1038
00:52:47,067 --> 00:52:48,667
Speaker 12: that they want to come down, they want to watch

1039
00:52:48,707 --> 00:52:52,227
Speaker 12: the games there that we don't often get that, you know,

1040
00:52:52,307 --> 00:52:54,707
Speaker 12: Normally it's just like, oh, well, we'll watch the spring

1041
00:52:54,747 --> 00:52:56,587
Speaker 12: Box when they're up in Europe in November.

1042
00:52:56,867 --> 00:52:58,427
Speaker 3: But now they're like, we want to go down and

1043
00:52:58,467 --> 00:52:58,867
Speaker 3: we want.

1044
00:52:58,707 --> 00:53:02,267
Speaker 12: To watch this game, these games, So yeah, they're all

1045
00:53:02,307 --> 00:53:05,667
Speaker 12: going to be sellouts, definitely, and I think the provincial

1046
00:53:05,667 --> 00:53:08,387
Speaker 12: games are also going to be sellouts as well because

1047
00:53:08,627 --> 00:53:13,187
Speaker 12: Urban and Pretoria didn't get Test matches, so that those

1048
00:53:13,227 --> 00:53:15,747
Speaker 12: games will I'm sure the stadiums will sell out.

1049
00:53:15,867 --> 00:53:20,227
Speaker 3: So like it's it is huge, it's you know, I.

1050
00:53:20,187 --> 00:53:23,387
Speaker 12: Think where we can be confident that we've done pretty

1051
00:53:23,387 --> 00:53:27,147
Speaker 12: well recently, so we're going into the series quite confidently.

1052
00:53:27,267 --> 00:53:30,147
Speaker 12: But yeah, we know the all black so dangerous teams.

1053
00:53:30,147 --> 00:53:32,107
Speaker 12: So I'm saying like I think it's about like a

1054
00:53:32,107 --> 00:53:33,987
Speaker 12: two to one or something like that. If you're looking

1055
00:53:34,027 --> 00:53:35,667
Speaker 12: for a school line.

1056
00:53:35,227 --> 00:53:37,307
Speaker 2: Well I can tell you where we're We're looking at

1057
00:53:37,347 --> 00:53:40,067
Speaker 2: it with a degree of trepidation, Dan, if I'm honest,

1058
00:53:40,267 --> 00:53:42,107
Speaker 2: given given the news down here.

1059
00:53:41,947 --> 00:53:45,147
Speaker 3: Have you heard well a white, Well.

1060
00:53:44,987 --> 00:53:46,987
Speaker 2: That's good to hear. Have you heard any one of

1061
00:53:47,027 --> 00:53:49,387
Speaker 2: the room. What are the rumors about the fourth test location?

1062
00:53:49,467 --> 00:53:50,427
Speaker 2: Are you hearing anything?

1063
00:53:51,827 --> 00:53:54,707
Speaker 12: Well, it was going to be twicking in, then it

1064
00:53:54,747 --> 00:53:57,707
Speaker 12: went to Dublin, and then we're hearing about it being

1065
00:53:57,747 --> 00:54:02,507
Speaker 12: in the USA. But which would be great for American

1066
00:54:02,587 --> 00:54:06,067
Speaker 12: rugby fans, I guess. But there's also the US government's

1067
00:54:06,107 --> 00:54:09,107
Speaker 12: recent that need just change things with visas for South

1068
00:54:09,147 --> 00:54:12,787
Speaker 12: Africans where it's gonna put a big restriction on South

1069
00:54:12,787 --> 00:54:15,787
Speaker 12: African fans being able to go to America if the

1070
00:54:15,827 --> 00:54:16,747
Speaker 12: test is held there.

1071
00:54:16,827 --> 00:54:19,187
Speaker 3: So I think it's still very much up in the air.

1072
00:54:19,227 --> 00:54:22,267
Speaker 12: I mean, like I'm in London a lot, so ideally

1073
00:54:22,387 --> 00:54:25,147
Speaker 12: i'd like to be in London, but you know, wherever

1074
00:54:25,187 --> 00:54:27,787
Speaker 12: it goes, I'm sure it will be a great spectacle

1075
00:54:27,787 --> 00:54:30,347
Speaker 12: and I'll do my most to make sure i'm there

1076
00:54:30,387 --> 00:54:30,787
Speaker 12: as well.

1077
00:54:30,947 --> 00:54:33,227
Speaker 2: Good Man, good Man, Dan, Hey, You've given us great

1078
00:54:33,267 --> 00:54:36,627
Speaker 2: insight into the thinking of South African fans. Thanks for

1079
00:54:36,707 --> 00:54:38,227
Speaker 2: joining us across news. You got to look forward to

1080
00:54:38,267 --> 00:54:39,387
Speaker 2: catching up later in the year.

1081
00:54:40,547 --> 00:54:43,347
Speaker 12: Definitely, Jason, we look forward to seeing you in South Africa,

1082
00:54:43,427 --> 00:54:45,747
Speaker 12: you know, coming have a beer one of us, come

1083
00:54:45,787 --> 00:54:46,867
Speaker 12: and have joined me for a Brie.

1084
00:54:47,067 --> 00:54:48,067
Speaker 3: We'll enjoy ourselves in.

1085
00:54:49,307 --> 00:54:51,867
Speaker 2: I would love that. I would love that. I get

1086
00:54:51,907 --> 00:54:55,827
Speaker 2: the feeling that we would talk rugby long into the night.

1087
00:54:56,267 --> 00:54:58,867
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, mate, Dan Houghton. He's in charge

1088
00:54:58,867 --> 00:55:01,627
Speaker 2: of the Brie Army. He's the founder of the Brie Army,

1089
00:55:01,667 --> 00:55:05,187
Speaker 2: the South African Rugby supporters group. We're gonna keep the

1090
00:55:05,227 --> 00:55:06,667
Speaker 2: lines open on this for a bit long, going to

1091
00:55:06,667 --> 00:55:09,427
Speaker 2: get you to Western Australia for sale GP inside the

1092
00:55:09,467 --> 00:55:11,747
Speaker 2: next little while, can I run just a very quick

1093
00:55:11,787 --> 00:55:15,427
Speaker 2: text poll with you as well around the South African series,

1094
00:55:15,467 --> 00:55:18,587
Speaker 2: given what's happened now and a new coach will come

1095
00:55:18,627 --> 00:55:22,107
Speaker 2: in and only raally have a few months to prepare

1096
00:55:22,147 --> 00:55:25,507
Speaker 2: the team for the greatest rivalry tour. There's the nation's

1097
00:55:25,547 --> 00:55:28,467
Speaker 2: championship test matches down here mid year, but then off

1098
00:55:28,507 --> 00:55:31,907
Speaker 2: to South Africa for four tests Alice Park, Cape Town,

1099
00:55:32,227 --> 00:55:34,707
Speaker 2: back up to Joe Burgh for a game at Soweto

1100
00:55:34,787 --> 00:55:38,107
Speaker 2: that's Soccer City and then the venue to be confirmed.

1101
00:55:38,747 --> 00:55:41,747
Speaker 2: Can you just text me on nineteen ninety two your

1102
00:55:41,867 --> 00:55:45,427
Speaker 2: series prediction in terms of you know, is it going

1103
00:55:45,467 --> 00:55:47,267
Speaker 2: to be two all three one to us, three one

1104
00:55:47,307 --> 00:55:50,027
Speaker 2: to them? What is your prediction? What do you think

1105
00:55:50,067 --> 00:55:54,027
Speaker 2: it'll be? And what would you accept? We are all

1106
00:55:54,067 --> 00:55:57,507
Speaker 2: Blacks fans after all, regardless of anything else, we still

1107
00:55:57,547 --> 00:55:59,987
Speaker 2: expect to win every single Test match that we play.

1108
00:56:00,507 --> 00:56:03,387
Speaker 2: What do you predict in the four Test series? What

1109
00:56:03,427 --> 00:56:06,787
Speaker 2: would you accept in the four Test series?

1110
00:56:06,827 --> 00:56:10,147
Speaker 8: Hello Jason, Hello Piney.

1111
00:56:10,427 --> 00:56:13,907
Speaker 13: You can almost hear with how the famous of fallen

1112
00:56:14,067 --> 00:56:17,347
Speaker 13: just by that Dan Wooton's tone in his voice. It

1113
00:56:17,467 --> 00:56:20,427
Speaker 13: was rather smirky, if I must say so myself.

1114
00:56:20,507 --> 00:56:21,747
Speaker 8: I mean, you could almost.

1115
00:56:21,387 --> 00:56:25,187
Speaker 13: See they don't fear us anymore. They took them about

1116
00:56:25,227 --> 00:56:27,587
Speaker 13: a minute to get the word respect out, and I

1117
00:56:27,627 --> 00:56:30,507
Speaker 13: think that's really sort of how I'm seeing what's happened here.

1118
00:56:30,587 --> 00:56:33,387
Speaker 13: This is not all about Scott Robertson. And for all

1119
00:56:33,387 --> 00:56:36,347
Speaker 13: your callers in Texas, please can we not say Robinson

1120
00:56:36,387 --> 00:56:40,907
Speaker 13: it's Robertson. It's annoying. But anyway, this is not all

1121
00:56:40,947 --> 00:56:43,467
Speaker 13: down to what's happened this year. This has been the

1122
00:56:43,547 --> 00:56:45,907
Speaker 13: falling axs, as I said to your producer before I

1123
00:56:45,947 --> 00:56:49,947
Speaker 13: came on here, for years in that the mystique or

1124
00:56:50,027 --> 00:56:52,227
Speaker 13: the mana or the whatever you like to call it

1125
00:56:52,267 --> 00:56:54,347
Speaker 13: of the All Blacks has been on a steady decline

1126
00:56:54,387 --> 00:56:55,987
Speaker 13: for years and four.

1127
00:56:56,067 --> 00:56:57,187
Speaker 8: Scott's just the the.

1128
00:56:58,947 --> 00:57:01,827
Speaker 13: Escapegoat for this. I mean, we've gone to records that

1129
00:57:01,867 --> 00:57:04,227
Speaker 13: we've never had before, Like we've never lost to Ireland

1130
00:57:04,267 --> 00:57:06,867
Speaker 13: in Chicago under Steve Anson. We lost it, and we've

1131
00:57:06,867 --> 00:57:10,507
Speaker 13: got a belting. We lose to Argentina for the first

1132
00:57:10,547 --> 00:57:14,667
Speaker 13: time home and then away never happened before, and then

1133
00:57:14,707 --> 00:57:17,907
Speaker 13: we get that terrible result in Wellington last year this

1134
00:57:18,027 --> 00:57:21,947
Speaker 13: week before, we'd done the unthinkable and beaten South Africa

1135
00:57:22,147 --> 00:57:24,427
Speaker 13: and I thought it was a rippertest, but we just

1136
00:57:24,467 --> 00:57:28,347
Speaker 13: didn't get beaten. All blacks of last thirty years, ever

1137
00:57:28,347 --> 00:57:30,267
Speaker 13: since I've been watching them, have never been And used

1138
00:57:30,267 --> 00:57:32,787
Speaker 13: to say the Murray Deeca Piney, we'd never had a flogging.

1139
00:57:32,787 --> 00:57:36,187
Speaker 13: We flogged everyone else, right, and I'm talking fifty sixty points.

1140
00:57:37,027 --> 00:57:40,507
Speaker 13: My definition of a flogging against your blacks is probably twenty. Well,

1141
00:57:40,547 --> 00:57:42,787
Speaker 13: what do we lose against South Africa Wellington? Why was

1142
00:57:42,827 --> 00:57:47,107
Speaker 13: it thirty odd? So this is the way it's gone,

1143
00:57:47,147 --> 00:57:49,067
Speaker 13: and I think this is going to be the norm now.

1144
00:57:49,227 --> 00:57:51,427
Speaker 13: Like and I was chucking to myself before when you

1145
00:57:51,427 --> 00:57:53,427
Speaker 13: were sort of putting the metrics out there saying, well,

1146
00:57:53,427 --> 00:57:56,827
Speaker 13: you know, a seventy six percent wreck, Really seventy six

1147
00:57:56,827 --> 00:58:00,307
Speaker 13: percent were used to ninety This is the thing, right,

1148
00:58:00,387 --> 00:58:02,867
Speaker 13: so we get back to what we used to. Seventy

1149
00:58:02,907 --> 00:58:05,347
Speaker 13: six is awful. That's what I'd expect from Eddie Jones

1150
00:58:05,387 --> 00:58:08,667
Speaker 13: and the Wallabies, not not the all Blacks. And the

1151
00:58:08,747 --> 00:58:11,907
Speaker 13: one thing that you can make the all blacks revered

1152
00:58:11,947 --> 00:58:15,827
Speaker 13: across all facets of the game internationally was not just

1153
00:58:15,907 --> 00:58:19,387
Speaker 13: the scores we put out on the on the field. Poney.

1154
00:58:19,427 --> 00:58:21,827
Speaker 13: It was our man management, it was back of office,

1155
00:58:21,947 --> 00:58:25,587
Speaker 13: it was our administration. It was the complete package. And

1156
00:58:25,627 --> 00:58:28,347
Speaker 13: I think that's where it's got to and and that's

1157
00:58:28,387 --> 00:58:31,387
Speaker 13: what's the most disappointing, the most Poney. And I think, look,

1158
00:58:31,387 --> 00:58:34,347
Speaker 13: if it wasn't Scott Robinson Robertson, it was.

1159
00:58:35,227 --> 00:58:39,267
Speaker 2: As you're almost yourself. No, I love it. No, actually

1160
00:58:39,267 --> 00:58:40,427
Speaker 2: not the only one who've said that. I've got a

1161
00:58:40,427 --> 00:58:45,107
Speaker 2: lot of texts Robertson, Mark Robinson, Scott Robertson. I guess

1162
00:58:45,107 --> 00:58:48,507
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to worry too much in the future.

1163
00:58:48,507 --> 00:58:51,027
Speaker 2: But thanks Jason. And what you said there about the

1164
00:58:51,907 --> 00:58:54,947
Speaker 2: wider than the team I was. I was talking to

1165
00:58:55,027 --> 00:58:57,387
Speaker 2: a to a I'm not going to tell you who

1166
00:58:57,387 --> 00:59:01,107
Speaker 2: it is, but someone who is you know, knows as rugby,

1167
00:59:01,907 --> 00:59:04,867
Speaker 2: deeply involved in elite rugby in New Zealand, and he

1168
00:59:04,907 --> 00:59:08,227
Speaker 2: said to me the All Blacks can not become Manchester United.

1169
00:59:09,427 --> 00:59:13,067
Speaker 2: And what he meant as we chatted was Manchester United

1170
00:59:13,147 --> 00:59:18,107
Speaker 2: under Sir Alex Ferguson were this absolute juggernaut, a behemoth

1171
00:59:18,707 --> 00:59:21,787
Speaker 2: of football who swept all before them. And it was

1172
00:59:21,827 --> 00:59:24,827
Speaker 2: as much about their aura much as I had that

1173
00:59:24,907 --> 00:59:27,067
Speaker 2: word really in the sporting sense, but it was as

1174
00:59:27,187 --> 00:59:31,027
Speaker 2: much about that about the way teams felt when they

1175
00:59:31,067 --> 00:59:33,747
Speaker 2: came to Old Trafford as it was about what was

1176
00:59:33,787 --> 00:59:37,387
Speaker 2: actually out on the pitch. Yes, they had absolutely superb players,

1177
00:59:37,747 --> 00:59:41,027
Speaker 2: world class players, but it was more about what Manchester

1178
00:59:41,187 --> 00:59:44,707
Speaker 2: United represent it you look at them now and with

1179
00:59:44,787 --> 00:59:49,147
Speaker 2: apologies to my many friends who follow Manchester United, they

1180
00:59:49,187 --> 00:59:54,547
Speaker 2: are a shadow of their former selves. And this guy

1181
00:59:54,587 --> 00:59:58,987
Speaker 2: I was talking to said, we cannot, we cannot let

1182
00:59:59,027 --> 01:00:01,507
Speaker 2: the all blacks go down the same path.

1183
01:00:02,787 --> 01:00:05,747
Speaker 14: Dave Hi, Yeah, get o mate, I'll truggin fore you.

1184
01:00:05,787 --> 01:00:10,227
Speaker 14: So one name I on a phone is pet Lamb.

1185
01:00:12,347 --> 01:00:16,347
Speaker 2: Pet Lamb, I did see name mentioned in dispatches Yep, yep.

1186
01:00:16,427 --> 01:00:18,787
Speaker 14: Yeah, there's an interesting thing on that rugby stuff which

1187
01:00:18,787 --> 01:00:20,907
Speaker 14: is a UK based And the guy was pushing pet

1188
01:00:20,947 --> 01:00:23,787
Speaker 14: Lamb a bit and bit a breakdown of what he's done.

1189
01:00:23,827 --> 01:00:27,587
Speaker 14: I went, well, yeah, he's sort of creaked now. I

1190
01:00:27,587 --> 01:00:28,827
Speaker 14: know he's tied it with a club up there. It

1191
01:00:28,827 --> 01:00:30,387
Speaker 14: will be interesting to see he gets back because he

1192
01:00:30,387 --> 01:00:31,427
Speaker 14: meets all the Crowteria.

1193
01:00:31,907 --> 01:00:33,747
Speaker 2: Yeah he's Bristol, isn't he. At the moment he had

1194
01:00:33,747 --> 01:00:37,507
Speaker 2: that really unfortunate tenure at the Blues, didn't he Dave

1195
01:00:37,587 --> 01:00:42,307
Speaker 2: where things just went downhill real quick. And and look,

1196
01:00:42,547 --> 01:00:44,667
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he you know that he's going

1197
01:00:44,707 --> 01:00:48,147
Speaker 2: to be tarnished by that, but look, you're right, he

1198
01:00:48,187 --> 01:00:53,867
Speaker 2: ticks a few boxes. He's coached up north international coaching

1199
01:00:54,147 --> 01:00:56,827
Speaker 2: experience with some more so I guess it's it's a

1200
01:00:56,907 --> 01:01:00,067
Speaker 2: tear down from the All Blacks. But yeah, Pat Lamb.

1201
01:01:00,747 --> 01:01:03,707
Speaker 14: New Zealand well with him there. And the other thing

1202
01:01:03,707 --> 01:01:05,867
Speaker 14: I was going to mention is comparison with the talk

1203
01:01:05,867 --> 01:01:08,507
Speaker 14: about this Hower and Narlie Sevia and all the stuff

1204
01:01:08,547 --> 01:01:11,667
Speaker 14: that's been talked out behind closed doors and all that,

1205
01:01:12,227 --> 01:01:16,427
Speaker 14: some have been different outcome nineteen eighty Eric Watson Australia

1206
01:01:17,107 --> 01:01:20,067
Speaker 14: and best when the off season Ala took us apart

1207
01:01:20,067 --> 01:01:22,307
Speaker 14: and they won the Test series two to one and

1208
01:01:22,467 --> 01:01:23,907
Speaker 14: everybody was saying to get rid of them and get

1209
01:01:23,947 --> 01:01:26,467
Speaker 14: rid of them. Watson's no good as the coach and

1210
01:01:26,467 --> 01:01:29,587
Speaker 14: it was the players that kets Eric Watson because they said, no,

1211
01:01:29,667 --> 01:01:31,547
Speaker 14: we want them taking us the Wales.

1212
01:01:33,627 --> 01:01:35,707
Speaker 2: Well, I think it was it was very similar to

1213
01:01:35,747 --> 01:01:39,627
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, wasn't that twenty twenty two, Dave, wasn't

1214
01:01:39,667 --> 01:01:42,507
Speaker 2: it you know? The players basically yeah, I mean Mark

1215
01:01:42,587 --> 01:01:44,867
Speaker 2: Robinson got on that plane to go to South Africa

1216
01:01:44,907 --> 01:01:47,867
Speaker 2: after that first test over there in twenty twenty two

1217
01:01:48,027 --> 01:01:50,707
Speaker 2: with the intention if they lost the second Test against

1218
01:01:50,707 --> 01:01:53,427
Speaker 2: South Africa of telling Ian Foster he wasn't all Blacks

1219
01:01:53,467 --> 01:01:56,147
Speaker 2: coach anymore. And it was the players, as we understand it,

1220
01:01:56,467 --> 01:01:59,027
Speaker 2: the scene. Yeah, the senior players, they said, well no,

1221
01:01:59,467 --> 01:02:00,547
Speaker 2: this this ain't happening.

1222
01:02:01,707 --> 01:02:04,507
Speaker 14: And just lastly, great loss over the weekend. As a

1223
01:02:04,507 --> 01:02:07,827
Speaker 14: boy of heromin all bats, but we will don't see

1224
01:02:07,987 --> 01:02:09,427
Speaker 14: like to put the game, specially as a winger.

1225
01:02:09,707 --> 01:02:12,547
Speaker 2: He was certainly want a player, Dave. Yeah, what a

1226
01:02:12,587 --> 01:02:15,227
Speaker 2: player man, and what a what a nuggety little bugger.

1227
01:02:15,347 --> 01:02:17,027
Speaker 2: And I'm sure he wouldn't mind that description.

1228
01:02:17,747 --> 01:02:19,787
Speaker 14: I remember seventy six because I got his book at

1229
01:02:19,787 --> 01:02:21,387
Speaker 14: home and I watch a visage of him yesterday and

1230
01:02:21,467 --> 01:02:25,107
Speaker 14: running out and was more more than duplus cs in

1231
01:02:25,187 --> 01:02:27,267
Speaker 14: the seventy six to two when we got stafted by

1232
01:02:27,307 --> 01:02:29,467
Speaker 14: the referees and there's a big fight in the third

1233
01:02:29,507 --> 01:02:31,267
Speaker 14: tests and bets come running out. The wing picked out

1234
01:02:31,267 --> 01:02:34,067
Speaker 14: the biggest spring bocks to launch himself up took them

1235
01:02:34,147 --> 01:02:35,467
Speaker 14: up and knock them to the ground.

1236
01:02:36,907 --> 01:02:39,427
Speaker 2: He didn't he didn't mind. He didn't mind. A sprint

1237
01:02:39,427 --> 01:02:43,027
Speaker 2: from the wing into a freka did he? Old Bets

1238
01:02:43,267 --> 01:02:45,387
Speaker 2: he loved it, Dave didn't he loved it. That was

1239
01:02:45,547 --> 01:02:49,347
Speaker 2: very sad news yesterday. Yeah, Grant Beatty passing away all

1240
01:02:49,387 --> 01:02:51,627
Speaker 2: black seven one five? What a player? Good to Jetty?

1241
01:02:51,707 --> 01:02:53,747
Speaker 2: Dave callback any time, mate, Hi, Corey.

1242
01:02:54,987 --> 01:02:57,987
Speaker 15: Like that funny? Hey, I was just wondering. It's way

1243
01:02:58,027 --> 01:03:02,627
Speaker 15: of a lot the player feedback they met David Cook

1244
01:03:02,707 --> 01:03:04,507
Speaker 15: met with the twenty players and the feedback come in.

1245
01:03:04,907 --> 01:03:07,747
Speaker 15: I mean, is that mainly around like game plan rotation

1246
01:03:07,907 --> 01:03:10,387
Speaker 15: and then thinking of the players that might speak out. Look,

1247
01:03:10,387 --> 01:03:14,627
Speaker 15: if you're think of the four pack, I mean Cody Taylor, Scott, Barrett,

1248
01:03:14,867 --> 01:03:18,227
Speaker 15: Boyom's anything, Fadian Holland's knew in there that the lucieres

1249
01:03:18,227 --> 01:03:20,787
Speaker 15: are quite new and they looked the thing of the backline.

1250
01:03:21,227 --> 01:03:24,187
Speaker 15: Cody Barrett isn't really what Barrett and Artie severe A,

1251
01:03:24,227 --> 01:03:27,227
Speaker 15: they the two sort of players that have probably speaking

1252
01:03:27,267 --> 01:03:27,827
Speaker 15: out the most.

1253
01:03:28,147 --> 01:03:30,907
Speaker 2: Don't know, Corey, but I mean Artie Savier and this

1254
01:03:30,947 --> 01:03:33,387
Speaker 2: is Liam Napier's piece and he was on the show yesterday,

1255
01:03:33,547 --> 01:03:36,227
Speaker 2: and I think you know, he name dropped Artie Savia

1256
01:03:36,347 --> 01:03:38,787
Speaker 2: in his article and when we were chatting yesterday as

1257
01:03:38,787 --> 01:03:42,427
Speaker 2: one of those who had concerns around the environment twenty

1258
01:03:42,507 --> 01:03:46,307
Speaker 2: as you heard before twenty players, and look, they would

1259
01:03:46,307 --> 01:03:48,947
Speaker 2: all have had different experiences, wouldn't they. I think the

1260
01:03:49,507 --> 01:03:51,867
Speaker 2: overriding thing I think that was coming through was that

1261
01:03:51,867 --> 01:03:55,907
Speaker 2: there was a bit of confusion around the communication of

1262
01:03:56,027 --> 01:04:01,267
Speaker 2: things like as you've outlined, strategy game plan selection. For example,

1263
01:04:01,267 --> 01:04:04,947
Speaker 2: if a player wasn't selected in a test and wanted

1264
01:04:04,987 --> 01:04:07,987
Speaker 2: to know why he he often didn't get that answer

1265
01:04:07,987 --> 01:04:10,387
Speaker 2: from Scott Robertson. He was told to go and talk

1266
01:04:10,427 --> 01:04:13,867
Speaker 2: to Jason Ryan or to or to Scott Hansen. So

1267
01:04:14,387 --> 01:04:16,947
Speaker 2: there was there was a confusion around things like that.

1268
01:04:17,067 --> 01:04:21,507
Speaker 15: For example, okay, I mean body in the first fight position,

1269
01:04:22,027 --> 01:04:23,707
Speaker 15: he might have been a little bit sour with the

1270
01:04:23,747 --> 01:04:24,827
Speaker 15: talk of Richie coming back.

1271
01:04:25,267 --> 01:04:28,227
Speaker 2: I would not get in the court. Yeah, Honestly, think

1272
01:04:28,227 --> 01:04:31,107
Speaker 2: about your boss. If your boss, I mean, I don't

1273
01:04:31,107 --> 01:04:32,267
Speaker 2: know you at all, but I'm sure you're good at

1274
01:04:32,307 --> 01:04:34,227
Speaker 2: your job. Imagine if your boss said you you know,

1275
01:04:34,347 --> 01:04:36,467
Speaker 2: or was sort of agitating for somebody from a rival

1276
01:04:36,507 --> 01:04:39,507
Speaker 2: company to come in and contest for your job. I

1277
01:04:39,547 --> 01:04:41,947
Speaker 2: know it's a terrible analogy, but that's how I would

1278
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Speaker 2: have felt.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, okay, cool, fair col And just the other little

1280
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Speaker 15: point is international experience. Well, Jamie Joseph, he said Japan,

1281
01:04:49,547 --> 01:04:52,427
Speaker 15: but I mean the teams that Japan has played. When

1282
01:04:52,467 --> 01:04:54,547
Speaker 15: you look at that, I mean he's got a winning

1283
01:04:54,587 --> 01:04:57,507
Speaker 15: I think about forty five fifty percent winning report international

1284
01:04:57,587 --> 01:04:59,907
Speaker 15: Jamie Joseph, So that's not massive. And then when I

1285
01:04:59,947 --> 01:05:03,467
Speaker 15: remember the older the Crusaders going to the Goburg, So

1286
01:05:03,547 --> 01:05:05,627
Speaker 15: you take the Crusader's team to Alice Park and joe

1287
01:05:05,667 --> 01:05:08,547
Speaker 15: Burg national experience in my mind, and you've got Jamie

1288
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Speaker 15: Joseph's coaching against Georgia Romania CG. So yeah, anyway, very

1289
01:05:15,267 --> 01:05:16,227
Speaker 15: good point.

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Speaker 2: Got on your Corey again. Call back anytime. I'd have

1291
01:05:19,627 --> 01:05:21,387
Speaker 2: enjoyed chatting to you, as I have all of you

1292
01:05:21,467 --> 01:05:23,307
Speaker 2: who have chatted to us on the air over the

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01:05:23,347 --> 01:05:24,987
Speaker 2: last little while. It's one thirty. We are going to

1294
01:05:24,987 --> 01:05:26,987
Speaker 2: pivot away, but there'll be more to come on this

1295
01:05:27,147 --> 01:05:29,747
Speaker 2: that won't surprise you over the next little while when

1296
01:05:29,787 --> 01:05:32,507
Speaker 2: we come back off to Western Australia. Sole GP Perth

1297
01:05:32,827 --> 01:05:37,067
Speaker 2: has been catastrophic for the Black Foils. We'll find out

1298
01:05:37,107 --> 01:05:39,747
Speaker 2: more when we get Chris Reeve on the line from Perth.

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Speaker 1: The Tough Questions off the turf weekends for It with

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01:05:43,987 --> 01:05:47,907
Speaker 1: Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home

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01:05:47,947 --> 01:05:48,587
Speaker 1: builder News.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for all your predictions on the Greatest Rivalry Tour

1303
01:05:53,027 --> 01:05:54,907
Speaker 2: as well. A lot of people saying three one South Africa.

1304
01:05:55,067 --> 01:05:57,467
Speaker 2: Are a few more optimistic saying to all, not a

1305
01:05:57,507 --> 01:06:00,987
Speaker 2: single text predicting a New Zealand series win. You know

1306
01:06:01,027 --> 01:06:04,267
Speaker 2: what I'd take to all. It's weird to say, but

1307
01:06:04,787 --> 01:06:06,747
Speaker 2: you know I want us and expect does to win

1308
01:06:06,787 --> 01:06:09,987
Speaker 2: every single test. But yeah, maybe given the current climate,

1309
01:06:10,027 --> 01:06:13,787
Speaker 2: two to two might not be too bad. The Black Foils, meantime,

1310
01:06:13,867 --> 01:06:17,267
Speaker 2: will begin the sal GP season with a negative points

1311
01:06:17,347 --> 01:06:21,107
Speaker 2: total following a review into a crash on the opening

1312
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Speaker 2: day of racing in Perth yesterday.

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Speaker 16: It'll be the Bonslain rules actually for the crash in

1314
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Speaker 16: the middle.

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01:06:28,627 --> 01:06:32,307
Speaker 2: Massive misjudgment that by the Black Foils they did not

1316
01:06:32,427 --> 01:06:35,667
Speaker 2: have the right of way on Sweitzsland Sweitzerland maneuver onto

1317
01:06:35,667 --> 01:06:39,227
Speaker 2: starboard Farlin couldn't turn in time and there's been a

1318
01:06:39,427 --> 01:06:42,347
Speaker 2: huge crass again two. Yeah, there you go. Kiwi crew

1319
01:06:42,467 --> 01:06:44,947
Speaker 2: ruled out of the weekend's action less than two legs

1320
01:06:44,947 --> 01:06:47,867
Speaker 2: into the first race after that crash with Switzerland, and

1321
01:06:48,307 --> 01:06:52,147
Speaker 2: it saw their f fifty catamaran badly damaged. Initially they

1322
01:06:52,147 --> 01:06:54,187
Speaker 2: were judged to be at fault by the umpires. The

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Speaker 2: Black Foils appealed that decision. They were unable though to

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Speaker 2: sway the umpires. They did though limit the hit to

1325
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Speaker 2: their season telly. They've been hit with a three point

1326
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Speaker 2: penalty for their season count, meaning that when the regatta ends,

1327
01:07:06,107 --> 01:07:09,627
Speaker 2: the wh moving the wrong direction on the scoreboard. Let's

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Speaker 2: get you to Perth to break this down with sailing

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Speaker 2: analysts from the New Zealand Herald. Chris Reeve Chris A.

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Speaker 2: Red with interest your analysis and explanation for this? Can

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01:07:18,787 --> 01:07:21,907
Speaker 2: you give us any explanation? What on earth happened?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, it was a very very high speed yesterday. The

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01:07:26,707 --> 01:07:29,827
Speaker 17: wind here in Perth is beautiful for this sort of race,

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Speaker 17: and the boats are absolutely flying. And yeah, Switzerland made

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01:07:33,667 --> 01:07:37,987
Speaker 17: a turn toward the right hand marker pretty late in

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Speaker 17: the leg. Basically they were just setting up. That was

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01:07:40,707 --> 01:07:43,347
Speaker 17: their last maneuver before they got to the marker. So

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01:07:43,627 --> 01:07:46,467
Speaker 17: they got onto starboard tack, which means they get right

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01:07:46,507 --> 01:07:50,587
Speaker 17: of way of oncoming boats and the black foils they

1340
01:07:50,587 --> 01:07:53,227
Speaker 17: were on the wrong side, had to give way, and

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01:07:53,467 --> 01:07:55,587
Speaker 17: it just looked like they didn't have enough time to

1342
01:07:55,627 --> 01:07:59,107
Speaker 17: do so the boats were going so fast, and yeah,

1343
01:07:59,107 --> 01:08:00,827
Speaker 17: it did look for a second there like they might

1344
01:08:00,867 --> 01:08:03,147
Speaker 17: have just been able to cross in front, but yeah,

1345
01:08:03,227 --> 01:08:06,627
Speaker 17: not to be unfortunately. So the Black Foughts were pretty

1346
01:08:06,627 --> 01:08:08,787
Speaker 17: adamant they couldn't have done any more than they did.

1347
01:08:09,827 --> 01:08:12,307
Speaker 17: And yeah, they had a hearing yesterday after the racing,

1348
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Speaker 17: and yeah, like you said before, it doesn't seem like

1349
01:08:14,627 --> 01:08:17,947
Speaker 17: they were able to sway the umpires too much unfortunately.

1350
01:08:18,067 --> 01:08:21,747
Speaker 17: So yeah, negative, negative start to the year, which, yeah,

1351
01:08:21,787 --> 01:08:24,907
Speaker 17: it's probably as bad as things could have gone for them.

1352
01:08:25,547 --> 01:08:29,147
Speaker 2: You've reported that Black Falls driver Peter Berling said he

1353
01:08:29,307 --> 01:08:33,187
Speaker 2: thought his team did everything possible to avoid an incident,

1354
01:08:33,267 --> 01:08:37,667
Speaker 2: and also that the decision sets a worrying precedent moving forward.

1355
01:08:37,667 --> 01:08:40,107
Speaker 2: Can you give us some more insight into how New

1356
01:08:40,187 --> 01:08:41,267
Speaker 2: Zealand would have argued this.

1357
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's a case of how

1358
01:08:46,147 --> 01:08:48,587
Speaker 17: fast the boats are going in a situation like that,

1359
01:08:48,787 --> 01:08:51,387
Speaker 17: and I guess how much time they were given to

1360
01:08:51,507 --> 01:08:56,307
Speaker 17: make an evasive maneuver. The Swiss reckon. They probably had

1361
01:08:56,307 --> 01:08:59,707
Speaker 17: about three seconds on starboard tack. But it's really hard

1362
01:08:59,747 --> 01:09:02,427
Speaker 17: to know on these boats just how fast he going,

1363
01:09:02,787 --> 01:09:05,667
Speaker 17: how much is involved in doing a maneuver, just how

1364
01:09:05,707 --> 01:09:08,627
Speaker 17: much time they needed at at sort of that pace.

1365
01:09:08,827 --> 01:09:11,707
Speaker 17: So it will be interesting to see if we get

1366
01:09:11,747 --> 01:09:15,107
Speaker 17: similar events like this in the future, what happens, whether

1367
01:09:15,147 --> 01:09:17,987
Speaker 17: you see both teams getting penalized, whether it's just the

1368
01:09:18,987 --> 01:09:22,267
Speaker 17: team deemed in the wrong. But yeah, it's it's a

1369
01:09:22,307 --> 01:09:25,307
Speaker 17: tough one for the Black Force because yeah, like I said,

1370
01:09:25,387 --> 01:09:30,267
Speaker 17: technically they were in the being on POTTEC. But yeah,

1371
01:09:30,427 --> 01:09:33,507
Speaker 17: like Pete says, I don't know what more they could

1372
01:09:33,547 --> 01:09:35,227
Speaker 17: have done going at the speeds they were.

1373
01:09:35,827 --> 01:09:40,187
Speaker 2: It seems uncharacteristic too. Chris, you've watched a lot of SALGP.

1374
01:09:40,307 --> 01:09:43,267
Speaker 2: In fact, you've probably watched every sale GP race. I

1375
01:09:43,307 --> 01:09:47,427
Speaker 2: can't remember too many erarors of this sort by New Zealand.

1376
01:09:47,427 --> 01:09:50,187
Speaker 2: They sometimes don't get the start right or or whatever.

1377
01:09:50,227 --> 01:09:52,667
Speaker 2: But can you remember another incident like this.

1378
01:09:54,827 --> 01:09:58,187
Speaker 17: Not like a proper crash. Off the top of my head,

1379
01:09:58,307 --> 01:10:01,627
Speaker 17: they've had a few sort of boat malfunctions in the past,

1380
01:10:01,707 --> 01:10:06,787
Speaker 17: but nothing quite this substantial that I can pinpoint right now.

1381
01:10:06,867 --> 01:10:11,747
Speaker 17: I was talking to one of the guys yesterday. I

1382
01:10:11,867 --> 01:10:14,507
Speaker 17: believe they were one of the only teams who didn't

1383
01:10:14,507 --> 01:10:18,947
Speaker 17: pick up season penalty points last year. They're generally pretty

1384
01:10:18,947 --> 01:10:22,507
Speaker 17: good at getting around the course unscathed, which is yeah,

1385
01:10:22,587 --> 01:10:26,227
Speaker 17: pretty hard to do with now. Well, they're supposed to

1386
01:10:26,227 --> 01:10:29,587
Speaker 17: be thirteen boats on the course, but yesterday there was twelve,

1387
01:10:29,667 --> 01:10:32,787
Speaker 17: and yeah, the courses aren't getting any bigger. But yeah,

1388
01:10:33,027 --> 01:10:35,827
Speaker 17: they do find a way to get the boat around cleanly,

1389
01:10:35,907 --> 01:10:38,627
Speaker 17: which is really really important in the spot.

1390
01:10:39,147 --> 01:10:41,987
Speaker 2: Is there enough time to fix the boat before SALGP

1391
01:10:42,507 --> 01:10:46,107
Speaker 2: in Auckland, Well, we hope so.

1392
01:10:46,307 --> 01:10:49,867
Speaker 17: Right, it would be a very big shame to not

1393
01:10:49,907 --> 01:10:52,787
Speaker 17: have the Kiwi boat on the water in Auckland. I

1394
01:10:52,947 --> 01:10:56,307
Speaker 17: was talking to Blairchuok yesterday who said he's you know,

1395
01:10:56,627 --> 01:10:59,227
Speaker 17: they do feel like they'll get the boat back on Auckland.

1396
01:10:59,227 --> 01:11:02,907
Speaker 17: The SALGP team town here, who I guess do all

1397
01:11:02,947 --> 01:11:04,947
Speaker 17: the repairs and stuff. They are very good at getting

1398
01:11:04,947 --> 01:11:08,427
Speaker 17: boats fixed quickly and getting them back on the water.

1399
01:11:08,547 --> 01:11:11,187
Speaker 17: So they'll be in the shed all day today working

1400
01:11:11,267 --> 01:11:15,387
Speaker 17: on that boat, and they're trying to just get things

1401
01:11:15,427 --> 01:11:17,907
Speaker 17: in order get the get the back back on it

1402
01:11:18,027 --> 01:11:21,787
Speaker 17: and get it firing again so the Kiwis can try

1403
01:11:21,827 --> 01:11:22,987
Speaker 17: and turn things around at home.

1404
01:11:23,467 --> 01:11:27,547
Speaker 2: So they'll be minus three on the on the points table,

1405
01:11:27,587 --> 01:11:30,307
Speaker 2: which obviously will have them bottom. But it's only the

1406
01:11:30,347 --> 01:11:33,267
Speaker 2: first regatta, isn't it, Chris, This isn't This isn't a

1407
01:11:33,347 --> 01:11:37,067
Speaker 2: terminal blow. While it's you know, more than slightly inconvenient,

1408
01:11:37,147 --> 01:11:40,587
Speaker 2: it's not going to to jettison or to really you know,

1409
01:11:40,707 --> 01:11:45,947
Speaker 2: torpedo their chances of finishing high up and making that

1410
01:11:45,947 --> 01:11:47,747
Speaker 2: three boat final at the other end of the year,

1411
01:11:47,827 --> 01:11:48,067
Speaker 2: is it.

1412
01:11:48,907 --> 01:11:53,187
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think minus three is certainly manageable for this team.

1413
01:11:53,227 --> 01:11:55,867
Speaker 17: They have shown they can win in this league and

1414
01:11:56,067 --> 01:11:59,867
Speaker 17: do it pretty consistently on all sorts of conditions and

1415
01:11:59,947 --> 01:12:03,307
Speaker 17: race courses, so I don't think they'll be worried too

1416
01:12:03,427 --> 01:12:05,667
Speaker 17: much about starting in the negatives. Obviously, it's not what

1417
01:12:05,787 --> 01:12:09,627
Speaker 17: you want to but honestly, when I heard that the

1418
01:12:09,747 --> 01:12:12,227
Speaker 17: umpires had judged the Black Foils to be at fault,

1419
01:12:12,227 --> 01:12:14,907
Speaker 17: I thought it would have been worse the penalty they got.

1420
01:12:14,947 --> 01:12:19,467
Speaker 17: I started looking at all the specifics as to sort

1421
01:12:19,507 --> 01:12:22,267
Speaker 17: of where they might have judged that crash, whether it

1422
01:12:22,307 --> 01:12:27,227
Speaker 17: was just collision causing damage or collision causing serious damage,

1423
01:12:27,267 --> 01:12:30,147
Speaker 17: which obviously you get penalized more for So I think

1424
01:12:30,187 --> 01:12:33,627
Speaker 17: it fell sort of in the middle range, which yeah,

1425
01:12:33,627 --> 01:12:36,347
Speaker 17: at the end of the day, it's certainly manageable. It's

1426
01:12:36,427 --> 01:12:38,387
Speaker 17: not good, but it's not the end of the world

1427
01:12:38,387 --> 01:12:38,867
Speaker 17: for the team.

1428
01:12:39,547 --> 01:12:43,987
Speaker 2: First time SALGP has been in Western Australia, the famous

1429
01:12:43,987 --> 01:12:48,787
Speaker 2: Fremantle Doctor phairly iconic sailing location as well. What's it

1430
01:12:48,827 --> 01:12:51,027
Speaker 2: been like there, Oh, that's great.

1431
01:12:51,107 --> 01:12:53,667
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's a great spot. I've neeriously been to Perth,

1432
01:12:53,747 --> 01:12:56,947
Speaker 17: but the view out here in Fremantle is pretty good.

1433
01:12:57,347 --> 01:13:01,987
Speaker 17: You get all the racetrack, the winds, it comes in

1434
01:13:02,107 --> 01:13:04,427
Speaker 17: nicely in the afternoon, just in time for racing.

1435
01:13:05,267 --> 01:13:05,827
Speaker 8: There's been a.

1436
01:13:05,827 --> 01:13:07,987
Speaker 17: Little bit of state as well, which we haven't seen

1437
01:13:08,027 --> 01:13:10,227
Speaker 17: a lot in sale GP, so it's been interesting to

1438
01:13:10,267 --> 01:13:14,027
Speaker 17: see how the team sort of navigate that as well

1439
01:13:14,067 --> 01:13:16,827
Speaker 17: as the breeze. It looks like it's not going to

1440
01:13:16,867 --> 01:13:19,347
Speaker 17: be quite so bumpy today, but it is expected to

1441
01:13:19,347 --> 01:13:22,307
Speaker 17: get a little bit windier, so it should be more

1442
01:13:22,347 --> 01:13:25,347
Speaker 17: great racing. Again. It's a great course. I'm glad they

1443
01:13:25,387 --> 01:13:25,947
Speaker 17: came out here.

1444
01:13:26,347 --> 01:13:29,667
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, it seems like a popular redition apart from

1445
01:13:29,827 --> 01:13:33,067
Speaker 2: with the Black Foils to the SLEGP calendar. Thanks for

1446
01:13:33,187 --> 01:13:35,947
Speaker 2: insight and analysis, Chris, Travel safe, enjoy the rest of

1447
01:13:35,987 --> 01:13:37,387
Speaker 2: your time there. We'll see you in Auckland in a

1448
01:13:37,387 --> 01:13:38,747
Speaker 2: month or so.

1449
01:13:38,747 --> 01:13:40,587
Speaker 17: Sounds good, mate, sah see.

1450
01:13:40,427 --> 01:13:42,747
Speaker 2: A lot of Chris reef read them at enzdherld dot

1451
01:13:42,747 --> 01:13:47,387
Speaker 2: co dot enz. His sailing copy analysis inside is terrific,

1452
01:13:47,787 --> 01:13:51,347
Speaker 2: so you'll you'll find out how it goes. SOALGP. He's

1453
01:13:51,347 --> 01:13:55,827
Speaker 2: obviously over there specifically covering New Zealand. That won't be

1454
01:13:56,067 --> 01:13:59,907
Speaker 2: happening for the rest of this regatta, but Auckland February

1455
01:13:59,947 --> 01:14:04,707
Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen for Sole gp Auckland, much bigger, grandstand, more

1456
01:14:04,827 --> 01:14:08,147
Speaker 2: viewing areas. Tickets are selling really fast as I understand it,

1457
01:14:08,187 --> 01:14:10,627
Speaker 2: and I get the feeling that that the Black Foils

1458
01:14:10,667 --> 01:14:13,027
Speaker 2: will now be doubly determined, won't they to put on

1459
01:14:13,067 --> 01:14:17,147
Speaker 2: a show at sale gp Auckland. Look forward to to

1460
01:14:17,187 --> 01:14:21,227
Speaker 2: bringing you weekend sport from on location on the weekend

1461
01:14:21,227 --> 01:14:24,427
Speaker 2: of February fourteenth and fifteen eighteen. Away from two take

1462
01:14:24,467 --> 01:14:27,667
Speaker 2: a break, Come Back. James mcconey in his regular Sunday slot.

1463
01:14:27,827 --> 01:14:31,187
Speaker 1: Of the biggest teams in Sport Are on Weekend Sport

1464
01:14:31,387 --> 01:14:35,547
Speaker 1: with Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted

1465
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Speaker 1: home builder, News Talks, NB News Talks.

1466
01:14:38,627 --> 01:14:41,227
Speaker 2: On the Manchester United comment from earlier, Piney says this text, Man,

1467
01:14:41,307 --> 01:14:44,347
Speaker 2: you beat the second best team in the EUPL this morning.

1468
01:14:44,587 --> 01:14:46,947
Speaker 2: They're on the comeback. They're up to fifth, fifth in

1469
01:14:46,987 --> 01:14:49,667
Speaker 2: the league. See this is this is it with Manchester United.

1470
01:14:49,747 --> 01:14:51,387
Speaker 2: I'm sure we won't mind me saying this. You know,

1471
01:14:51,507 --> 01:14:54,427
Speaker 2: if the Manchester United team of the nineties into the

1472
01:14:54,427 --> 01:14:58,227
Speaker 2: two thousands was boasting about being up to fifth, they

1473
01:14:58,227 --> 01:15:01,747
Speaker 2: were to be laughed out of town. Hello James mconey.

1474
01:15:02,227 --> 01:15:04,947
Speaker 8: How are you poney? Yeah, man, you I'm following that

1475
01:15:05,107 --> 01:15:08,227
Speaker 8: fan who needs Manhi United to win five games in

1476
01:15:08,267 --> 01:15:11,067
Speaker 8: a row before he cuts his hair in a few years.

1477
01:15:11,267 --> 01:15:14,867
Speaker 2: I've seen him very big here, Ye're very big here. Hey,

1478
01:15:15,227 --> 01:15:16,987
Speaker 2: there's been a bit of chat in the last few

1479
01:15:17,067 --> 01:15:20,027
Speaker 2: days about the departure of Scott robertson.

1480
01:15:21,587 --> 01:15:22,347
Speaker 8: Scott Robinson.

1481
01:15:22,427 --> 01:15:26,267
Speaker 2: Well exactly, yeah, yeah, Look, I'm sure you'll catch up

1482
01:15:26,267 --> 01:15:29,227
Speaker 2: on it. I'm sure you'll catch up. Hey, what what

1483
01:15:29,707 --> 01:15:31,987
Speaker 2: I mean? I'm not going to ask you to dissect

1484
01:15:32,027 --> 01:15:35,547
Speaker 2: the entire thing, but any front of mine thoughts on

1485
01:15:35,587 --> 01:15:37,267
Speaker 2: this whole thing with a benefit of sort of seventy

1486
01:15:37,307 --> 01:15:38,867
Speaker 2: two hours or so hindsight.

1487
01:15:39,987 --> 01:15:42,467
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, there's there's two sides to this. One is

1488
01:15:42,507 --> 01:15:46,267
Speaker 8: that I think Razor is really still an elite coach

1489
01:15:46,307 --> 01:15:49,667
Speaker 8: and wherever he goes, he will win games. But I

1490
01:15:49,747 --> 01:15:52,987
Speaker 8: just think that the fit was wrong, and that's no

1491
01:15:53,147 --> 01:15:56,867
Speaker 8: fault of Raisers. Really. He probably came in thinking, you know,

1492
01:15:56,947 --> 01:16:00,067
Speaker 8: that he assembled the best team he could in terms

1493
01:16:00,067 --> 01:16:03,627
Speaker 8: of a coaching lineup, but it wasn't exactly stellar, and

1494
01:16:03,707 --> 01:16:06,787
Speaker 8: so that that was where I think he probably, you know,

1495
01:16:06,827 --> 01:16:10,187
Speaker 8: like he was trying to align with Tony Brown years ago,

1496
01:16:10,227 --> 01:16:12,827
Speaker 8: but it was tough because Tony Brown was loyal to

1497
01:16:12,907 --> 01:16:15,427
Speaker 8: Jamie Joseph. I think if you had that ticket, it

1498
01:16:15,507 --> 01:16:19,987
Speaker 8: might have worked. But there's a few things that I

1499
01:16:20,027 --> 01:16:22,547
Speaker 8: think part of the way he was appointed is a

1500
01:16:22,547 --> 01:16:25,387
Speaker 8: problem for me. In the middle of that World Cup year,

1501
01:16:25,427 --> 01:16:28,107
Speaker 8: while Fozzy was still in charge of the team, I

1502
01:16:28,107 --> 01:16:31,027
Speaker 8: think that rubbed people up the wrong way, including the players.

1503
01:16:31,307 --> 01:16:34,747
Speaker 8: So when Razor took over, he probably underestimated how hard

1504
01:16:34,787 --> 01:16:38,587
Speaker 8: it would be to win their respect and approval. After

1505
01:16:38,667 --> 01:16:42,907
Speaker 8: that happened and yes, he lost the dressing room, but

1506
01:16:43,347 --> 01:16:46,507
Speaker 8: perhaps he never had it. You know, this is the issue,

1507
01:16:46,627 --> 01:16:50,067
Speaker 8: is that getting on being the new coach after so

1508
01:16:50,147 --> 01:16:52,507
Speaker 8: many of those players were very loyal to Fozzy. There

1509
01:16:52,507 --> 01:16:56,547
Speaker 8: was even a documentary made about it, Loyalty on NZR Plus.

1510
01:16:57,027 --> 01:17:00,027
Speaker 8: And when Fozzy was on the verge of losing his

1511
01:17:00,147 --> 01:17:04,267
Speaker 8: job in twenty twenty two and Joe Burg, the players

1512
01:17:04,347 --> 01:17:07,427
Speaker 8: rallied around him, you know, and that that loyalty, I

1513
01:17:07,467 --> 01:17:10,307
Speaker 8: think it was part of a big factor.

1514
01:17:11,267 --> 01:17:14,307
Speaker 2: I totally agree with that. Yeah, I totally agree. So

1515
01:17:15,427 --> 01:17:18,307
Speaker 2: what next for Scott Robertson? Where do you expect him

1516
01:17:18,347 --> 01:17:22,187
Speaker 2: to turn up? And are you on the Jamie Joseph

1517
01:17:22,947 --> 01:17:25,347
Speaker 2: hype train as the next All Blacks head coach?

1518
01:17:26,907 --> 01:17:29,707
Speaker 8: Yeah? I really like Jamie Joseph. And it sounds like

1519
01:17:29,747 --> 01:17:31,347
Speaker 8: they're not going to get Tony Brown out of South

1520
01:17:31,347 --> 01:17:36,267
Speaker 8: Africa if you believe Russy Erasmus's social media where he's

1521
01:17:36,387 --> 01:17:41,307
Speaker 8: used the scene from Wolf of Wall Street with Leonardo

1522
01:17:41,347 --> 01:17:48,187
Speaker 8: Dicatgre saying I'm not effing leaving, and that's he's used

1523
01:17:48,227 --> 01:17:50,947
Speaker 8: an AI version of Tony Brown saying that. So they

1524
01:17:50,987 --> 01:17:54,547
Speaker 8: seem confident of keeping him. But look, I think Jamie Joseph.

1525
01:17:54,587 --> 01:17:56,427
Speaker 8: What's going to happen is really it's going to be.

1526
01:17:57,427 --> 01:18:00,187
Speaker 8: It could be a stellar cast with Dave Rennie, maybe

1527
01:18:00,187 --> 01:18:02,667
Speaker 8: even Joe Schmidt and there. You know, this is like

1528
01:18:02,787 --> 01:18:05,467
Speaker 8: felt to me like the Traveling Wilbury's. Remember that band

1529
01:18:05,507 --> 01:18:11,067
Speaker 8: where Yes Port Harrison, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, Roy.

1530
01:18:10,947 --> 01:18:14,267
Speaker 2: Abison, Yeah, Royalberson. Yep, there was there was a cast

1531
01:18:14,307 --> 01:18:16,747
Speaker 2: of it was It was like a Hall of Fame band,

1532
01:18:16,827 --> 01:18:17,227
Speaker 2: wasn't it.

1533
01:18:17,787 --> 01:18:21,067
Speaker 8: Yeah? And I feel that's what might happen now. It's like, hey,

1534
01:18:21,267 --> 01:18:24,387
Speaker 8: whatever we do, let's make sure that everybody is absolutely

1535
01:18:24,427 --> 01:18:27,187
Speaker 8: elite in somebody who has got the respect of the

1536
01:18:27,227 --> 01:18:30,667
Speaker 8: players because you need that the dressing room. Unfortunately, whether

1537
01:18:30,667 --> 01:18:32,947
Speaker 8: you like it or not, play a power is real.

1538
01:18:33,067 --> 01:18:37,547
Speaker 8: It's happened, and and the buy in. Like Raiser, he's

1539
01:18:37,587 --> 01:18:40,707
Speaker 8: got his own ways, you know, the themes, the storylines.

1540
01:18:41,347 --> 01:18:43,347
Speaker 8: I think for the Grand Slam Tour it was take

1541
01:18:43,387 --> 01:18:46,827
Speaker 8: the Kingdom. You know, some players don't really relate to that,

1542
01:18:46,947 --> 01:18:49,987
Speaker 8: so they need to probably get on their page, the

1543
01:18:50,027 --> 01:18:53,787
Speaker 8: players page, what make what resonates with them? And as

1544
01:18:53,827 --> 01:18:57,587
Speaker 8: for Razor, well he could go anywhere has been linked

1545
01:18:57,627 --> 01:19:01,147
Speaker 8: to Harlequins. He's actually been linked to Newcastle where Hoskin

1546
01:19:01,227 --> 01:19:04,947
Speaker 8: Sotitutu is when he's probably gone there to escape Raiser.

1547
01:19:06,587 --> 01:19:10,507
Speaker 8: That would be if you're making a Netflix documentary or

1548
01:19:10,547 --> 01:19:13,067
Speaker 8: a drama, that would be the perfect place for him

1549
01:19:13,067 --> 01:19:17,467
Speaker 8: to turn up. And then they win it together. But

1550
01:19:17,587 --> 01:19:22,587
Speaker 8: then I think, look, any nation that has had coaching

1551
01:19:22,947 --> 01:19:25,547
Speaker 8: or winning problems will be looking at Razor and they

1552
01:19:25,547 --> 01:19:29,187
Speaker 8: won't think that he's that he's been tainted by this

1553
01:19:29,267 --> 01:19:32,307
Speaker 8: at all. They'll still see the value.

1554
01:19:31,987 --> 01:19:35,827
Speaker 2: In him absolutely. Hey, I don't normally follow the Big Bash,

1555
01:19:35,827 --> 01:19:37,987
Speaker 2: but I do follow the Kiwis in the Big Bash,

1556
01:19:38,107 --> 01:19:41,747
Speaker 2: and Finn Allen is on absolute fire at the moment.

1557
01:19:41,787 --> 01:19:44,747
Speaker 2: For the Perth Scorches, they finished top of the round robin,

1558
01:19:44,787 --> 01:19:46,947
Speaker 2: so they'll host the I guess they call it the

1559
01:19:47,787 --> 01:19:49,907
Speaker 2: qualifying final, whatever it is. The winner go straight to

1560
01:19:49,947 --> 01:19:52,707
Speaker 2: the final. He's got three hundred and eighty one runs,

1561
01:19:52,947 --> 01:19:56,067
Speaker 2: striking at one hundred and ninety, he's at thirty three.

1562
01:19:56,227 --> 01:19:58,867
Speaker 2: Six's way more than anybody else. He got one hundred

1563
01:19:58,867 --> 01:20:01,067
Speaker 2: the other day. This has to be good news heading

1564
01:20:01,067 --> 01:20:02,387
Speaker 2: into the T twenty World Cup.

1565
01:20:03,187 --> 01:20:05,627
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's perfect for New Zealand, but It's also great

1566
01:20:05,667 --> 01:20:10,667
Speaker 8: for the big bash and OSSI's. They just love you know, Finalen.

1567
01:20:10,707 --> 01:20:13,107
Speaker 8: You listen to the commentators and he had a rough

1568
01:20:13,187 --> 01:20:16,147
Speaker 8: trot there. But the commentators, Ossie commentators, I really like

1569
01:20:16,227 --> 01:20:19,387
Speaker 8: this about them. They appreciate that every batter can get

1570
01:20:19,387 --> 01:20:21,947
Speaker 8: out for a low score or have a rough trot,

1571
01:20:22,307 --> 01:20:25,587
Speaker 8: but not every batter can do what he does, and

1572
01:20:25,587 --> 01:20:30,187
Speaker 8: that's where they admire and appreciate fin Allen. The ton

1573
01:20:30,227 --> 01:20:34,467
Speaker 8: off forty fifty one bulls then sixty nine off thirty

1574
01:20:34,547 --> 01:20:39,507
Speaker 8: nine balls fifteen sixes in two innings is crazy. But

1575
01:20:39,667 --> 01:20:42,267
Speaker 8: what it shows to me is that the Aussies they

1576
01:20:42,307 --> 01:20:46,147
Speaker 8: do love to latch on to Kiwi's if they produce

1577
01:20:46,187 --> 01:20:49,667
Speaker 8: the goods. And remember Benji Marshall for the Tigers and

1578
01:20:50,267 --> 01:20:53,427
Speaker 8: picked Benji around two thousand and four, two thousand and five.

1579
01:20:54,627 --> 01:20:56,987
Speaker 8: The Aussies couldn't get enough of them. Ray Warren is

1580
01:20:57,067 --> 01:21:00,667
Speaker 8: saying he's the best player in the game because he

1581
01:21:00,747 --> 01:21:03,067
Speaker 8: was advancing the game and improving things. He was making

1582
01:21:03,107 --> 01:21:06,067
Speaker 8: their life better. So that's why I actually don't mind

1583
01:21:06,627 --> 01:21:09,227
Speaker 8: the way the Australians do that where you know when

1584
01:21:09,267 --> 01:21:11,867
Speaker 8: they claim far lamp and pable over and split ends

1585
01:21:11,867 --> 01:21:15,027
Speaker 8: in John Clark. It's because all those things of those

1586
01:21:15,027 --> 01:21:19,067
Speaker 8: people and horses and desserts have made their life better.

1587
01:21:19,547 --> 01:21:22,067
Speaker 8: So I don't blame them. The only thing I blame

1588
01:21:22,107 --> 01:21:25,907
Speaker 8: Australia for is the NRL bunker that's been shocking for ages.

1589
01:21:26,987 --> 01:21:30,347
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, James, Well look great to chat to

1590
01:21:30,387 --> 01:21:34,667
Speaker 2: you as always, Thanks for joining us. I think I

1591
01:21:34,667 --> 01:21:35,227
Speaker 2: think we've.

1592
01:21:35,027 --> 01:21:35,587
Speaker 12: Reached the end.

1593
01:21:35,587 --> 01:21:37,467
Speaker 2: Have anything else you want to add in the thirty

1594
01:21:37,467 --> 01:21:38,427
Speaker 2: seconds you have left?

1595
01:21:38,947 --> 01:21:41,067
Speaker 8: Oh? I've got thirty seconds? Have I Well, that's lovely

1596
01:21:41,107 --> 01:21:43,347
Speaker 8: to know. No, look, I was I was just looking

1597
01:21:43,387 --> 01:21:45,947
Speaker 8: at the way that that competition has been going. The

1598
01:21:45,947 --> 01:21:48,507
Speaker 8: Big Bash really is something special. I still hope that

1599
01:21:48,507 --> 01:21:50,827
Speaker 8: we get a team in the Big Bash, and I

1600
01:21:50,827 --> 01:21:54,747
Speaker 8: hope that they improve the Super Smash as well. But

1601
01:21:55,107 --> 01:21:58,107
Speaker 8: if you watch the Black Clash Clash last night, that

1602
01:21:58,347 --> 01:22:02,027
Speaker 8: is pure entertainment. Quite a few streakers, I mean, there

1603
01:22:02,107 --> 01:22:05,667
Speaker 8: is some issues there that made that made them. They're

1604
01:22:05,707 --> 01:22:09,027
Speaker 8: not proper streams, you know, they're not pure streakers. There

1605
01:22:09,107 --> 01:22:13,547
Speaker 8: was clothing on them. But it does capture the imagination.

1606
01:22:13,707 --> 01:22:17,787
Speaker 8: And who knew that William Wade or could combat as well.

1607
01:22:17,667 --> 01:22:21,187
Speaker 2: As dance exactly right? And if you haven't seen lou

1608
01:22:21,227 --> 01:22:26,027
Speaker 2: Vincent's catch Google that cracker. Thanks James. Always good to

1609
01:22:26,107 --> 01:22:29,187
Speaker 2: chat mate. James mcconey huge part of our Sundays seven

1610
01:22:29,227 --> 01:22:31,187
Speaker 2: to two News Talks head be Weekend'sport on News Talks

1611
01:22:31,187 --> 01:22:33,067
Speaker 2: headb Macca says, Pinty, we need to organize and give

1612
01:22:33,067 --> 01:22:35,507
Speaker 2: a little page for you to go to South Africa

1613
01:22:35,547 --> 01:22:38,307
Speaker 2: and do a pub tour. Macca, I love it. That

1614
01:22:38,347 --> 01:22:40,267
Speaker 2: could goes. I'll kick a hundred bucks in as long

1615
01:22:40,267 --> 01:22:42,307
Speaker 2: as nz me match it. Get on your maca right

1616
01:22:42,307 --> 01:22:44,067
Speaker 2: the way you're thinking. Who knows what might happen in

1617
01:22:44,067 --> 01:22:46,827
Speaker 2: the year ahead. After two o'clock, we're going to get

1618
01:22:46,867 --> 01:22:49,787
Speaker 2: you to India where the black Caps can make history tonight.

1619
01:22:49,827 --> 01:22:52,387
Speaker 2: If they win the third and final ODII, they'll want

1620
01:22:52,427 --> 01:22:54,747
Speaker 2: a series against India in India for the first time.

1621
01:22:54,827 --> 01:22:58,387
Speaker 2: Darryl Mitchell leading us off after two.

1622
01:22:59,107 --> 01:23:01,987
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest fourse issues on

1623
01:23:02,387 --> 01:23:06,227
Speaker 1: and after field. It's all on weekends Ford where Jason

1624
01:23:07,347 --> 01:23:11,627
Speaker 1: on your Home of Sport us talks.

1625
01:23:11,707 --> 01:23:15,467
Speaker 2: Hello there and welcome in or back to Weekend Sport

1626
01:23:15,627 --> 01:23:17,507
Speaker 2: as the case may be. Good to have you with us.

1627
01:23:17,507 --> 01:23:20,507
Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine with Andy McDonald alongside. We're here till

1628
01:23:20,547 --> 01:23:24,027
Speaker 2: three and then Tim Beveridge takes over. The weekend collective

1629
01:23:24,147 --> 01:23:29,187
Speaker 2: is back for twenty twenty six. Tim's out there beavering away,

1630
01:23:29,347 --> 01:23:31,627
Speaker 2: making sure that the show is all it can be

1631
01:23:31,627 --> 01:23:35,187
Speaker 2: before we hand over. Daryl Mitchell out of India. The

1632
01:23:35,227 --> 01:23:38,947
Speaker 2: black Caps can make history more history in India tonight,

1633
01:23:39,907 --> 01:23:43,507
Speaker 2: having of course smashed them three nil in that Test series.

1634
01:23:44,307 --> 01:23:46,787
Speaker 2: Was that a year and a bit ago. If they

1635
01:23:46,827 --> 01:23:49,827
Speaker 2: were to beat India tonight in the third and final

1636
01:23:49,867 --> 01:23:54,227
Speaker 2: One Day International in Indoor, it would mark the first

1637
01:23:54,307 --> 01:23:56,227
Speaker 2: time the black Caps have ever won a One Day

1638
01:23:56,347 --> 01:23:59,747
Speaker 2: series in India. And look at the guys who aren't there.

1639
01:23:59,867 --> 01:24:03,467
Speaker 2: This is a terrific performance from the black Caps, in

1640
01:24:03,507 --> 01:24:06,547
Speaker 2: particular Daryl Mitchell. He's one of the key players who

1641
01:24:06,587 --> 01:24:08,347
Speaker 2: is there one hundred and thirty one not out in

1642
01:24:08,347 --> 01:24:11,267
Speaker 2: the last game to get New Zealand home by seven wickets.

1643
01:24:11,627 --> 01:24:13,707
Speaker 2: How's he feeling ahead of tonight and on towards the

1644
01:24:13,787 --> 01:24:16,507
Speaker 2: T twenty World Cup. We'll find out, Daryl Mitchell. Shortly.

1645
01:24:17,107 --> 01:24:20,747
Speaker 2: Tian Wilbton our top male sprinter at the moment. He

1646
01:24:20,827 --> 01:24:25,107
Speaker 2: won the inaugural short track title yesterday in Hastings, that's

1647
01:24:25,307 --> 01:24:30,547
Speaker 2: sixty meters couldn't quite break the New Zealand record in

1648
01:24:30,547 --> 01:24:32,787
Speaker 2: the four x one hundred bit of relay. I think

1649
01:24:32,947 --> 01:24:35,227
Speaker 2: the wind might have been effective at tian Wilbinton's on

1650
01:24:35,267 --> 01:24:39,227
Speaker 2: the show. Our floorball team, our men's floorball team are

1651
01:24:39,227 --> 01:24:43,667
Speaker 2: a game away from the World Championships. The Asia Oceania

1652
01:24:43,747 --> 01:24:48,107
Speaker 2: qualifying tournament's been held this week in Wellington. Japan are

1653
01:24:48,107 --> 01:24:50,627
Speaker 2: the opponent tonight. If New Zealand were to beat Japan tonight,

1654
01:24:50,747 --> 01:24:54,827
Speaker 2: they would go to the World Champs in Finland in December.

1655
01:24:55,187 --> 01:24:58,187
Speaker 2: New Zealand coach Christy aan Birchinger on that, and we'll

1656
01:24:58,387 --> 01:25:00,827
Speaker 2: get inside the Phoenix camp the men's side ahead of

1657
01:25:00,867 --> 01:25:03,667
Speaker 2: their game against Sydney FC tonight. You can get in

1658
01:25:03,707 --> 01:25:05,867
Speaker 2: touch with us in all of the usual ways on

1659
01:25:05,907 --> 01:25:08,067
Speaker 2: the phone eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two

1660
01:25:08,147 --> 01:25:10,907
Speaker 2: ninety two for text messages and emails to Jason at

1661
01:25:10,907 --> 01:25:13,227
Speaker 2: Newstalk SDB, dot co dot MZ. Will keep an eye

1662
01:25:13,547 --> 01:25:15,507
Speaker 2: on live sport as well. As you heard in our

1663
01:25:15,547 --> 01:25:20,947
Speaker 2: sports news that game in the NFL Playoffs is in

1664
01:25:21,147 --> 01:25:28,347
Speaker 2: overtime at the moment. Denver and Buffalo thirty thirty six

1665
01:25:28,387 --> 01:25:32,947
Speaker 2: minutes to go in overtime in this AFC Divisional round

1666
01:25:32,987 --> 01:25:35,907
Speaker 2: clash as part of the NFL playoffs. The Aussie opens

1667
01:25:36,667 --> 01:25:39,787
Speaker 2: Underway Super Smash, cricket and other bits and pieces too.

1668
01:25:40,267 --> 01:25:42,387
Speaker 2: But before we get onto any of that, let's get

1669
01:25:42,387 --> 01:25:44,827
Speaker 2: you across some of the stuff which has already happened

1670
01:25:45,307 --> 01:25:49,667
Speaker 2: and may have not registered with you quite yet. In

1671
01:25:49,707 --> 01:25:51,867
Speaker 2: the last twenty four hours or so, a lot has

1672
01:25:51,947 --> 01:25:55,947
Speaker 2: happened on the sports fields of the world, So let's

1673
01:25:55,947 --> 01:25:58,187
Speaker 2: get you up to date. In case you missed it,

1674
01:25:58,507 --> 01:26:02,707
Speaker 2: Adelaide United have taken the spoils in a chaotic A

1675
01:26:02,867 --> 01:26:05,187
Speaker 2: League men's match against Melbourne Victory.

1676
01:26:06,587 --> 01:26:07,627
Speaker 6: It past.

1677
01:26:10,947 --> 01:26:11,787
Speaker 3: Unbelievable.

1678
01:26:11,867 --> 01:26:20,627
Speaker 18: How Adelaide celebrate and it's Ryan kitso incredible sex ninety

1679
01:26:20,707 --> 01:26:22,947
Speaker 18: seventh minute, just seconds remaining.

1680
01:26:23,147 --> 01:26:26,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't even tell some of the story. Adelaide

1681
01:26:26,027 --> 01:26:28,987
Speaker 2: were winning their game one nil, Melbourne Victory equalized late

1682
01:26:29,067 --> 01:26:31,467
Speaker 2: to make it one all. Adelaide thought they had the

1683
01:26:31,507 --> 01:26:34,747
Speaker 2: winner that was chalked off for offside. Melbourne Victory thought

1684
01:26:34,787 --> 01:26:36,787
Speaker 2: they had the winner that was chalked off for offside,

1685
01:26:36,827 --> 01:26:39,907
Speaker 2: and then that winning goal in the seventh minute of

1686
01:26:39,947 --> 01:26:42,067
Speaker 2: at a time, giving Adelaide the two to one win.

1687
01:26:42,387 --> 01:26:46,027
Speaker 2: The Wellington Phoenix women meantime played the upset card away

1688
01:26:46,107 --> 01:26:46,827
Speaker 2: in Canberra.

1689
01:26:47,307 --> 01:26:48,707
Speaker 4: Nice ball from Charlie.

1690
01:26:49,027 --> 01:26:50,747
Speaker 12: What's in the middle if she can be found?

1691
01:26:51,347 --> 01:26:53,547
Speaker 2: Little deflection, tricky one and it's.

1692
01:26:53,427 --> 01:26:58,787
Speaker 4: A wonderful, wonderful moment for the Willington Phoenix. They're trying,

1693
01:26:58,947 --> 01:27:03,067
Speaker 4: They're trying again and in the entire moments of the game,

1694
01:27:03,907 --> 01:27:08,347
Speaker 4: the Phoenix have risen and they've taken the land in.

1695
01:27:08,387 --> 01:27:11,467
Speaker 2: The capitol class Yeah to Noll went away at Canberra,

1696
01:27:11,747 --> 01:27:14,827
Speaker 2: close to the home. Auckland the FC continue their conquest

1697
01:27:14,867 --> 01:27:18,467
Speaker 2: of Kiwi teams. In their first match in the inaugural

1698
01:27:18,547 --> 01:27:23,547
Speaker 2: Oceania Pro League. They were convincing winners over South Island United.

1699
01:27:24,627 --> 01:27:27,987
Speaker 19: Yes it's a penalty Stephen van Dyke and gold for

1700
01:27:28,387 --> 01:27:30,987
Speaker 19: South Island United. And it's three.

1701
01:27:30,827 --> 01:27:33,907
Speaker 2: Now, Liam Gilliard on the score sheets.

1702
01:27:34,467 --> 01:27:38,587
Speaker 19: Scoreline looking comfortable now for Auckland Sea as they EA

1703
01:27:38,627 --> 01:27:40,147
Speaker 19: is clear of their New Zealand.

1704
01:27:39,907 --> 01:27:43,627
Speaker 2: Rivals to the Australian National Basketball League, where the Breakers

1705
01:27:43,707 --> 01:27:47,427
Speaker 2: roll the coast of season continues. A dominant win over

1706
01:27:47,547 --> 01:27:48,467
Speaker 2: kens to.

1707
01:27:48,747 --> 01:27:51,387
Speaker 20: Lega finishes once again.

1708
01:27:51,147 --> 01:27:53,827
Speaker 18: With a double Handry loves to sprint the court, doesn't

1709
01:27:53,827 --> 01:27:57,427
Speaker 18: it really big win for the New Zealand Breakers here,

1710
01:27:57,867 --> 01:28:00,427
Speaker 18: big score, big margin.

1711
01:28:00,147 --> 01:28:02,067
Speaker 2: As well the one four eighty six.

1712
01:28:02,107 --> 01:28:03,187
Speaker 3: It's the biggest.

1713
01:28:02,787 --> 01:28:04,267
Speaker 2: Margin, the winning margin.

1714
01:28:04,547 --> 01:28:07,587
Speaker 3: But Ars Arena four breakers.

1715
01:28:07,067 --> 01:28:09,547
Speaker 2: So the playoff hopes are still alive for the Breakers.

1716
01:28:09,747 --> 01:28:12,187
Speaker 2: In the tennis, Yuck of Men Sick claim the spoils

1717
01:28:12,187 --> 01:28:14,787
Speaker 2: at the ASB Classic at Stanley Street.

1718
01:28:16,187 --> 01:28:23,307
Speaker 20: A master class drug Menschick seven six. What an effort

1719
01:28:23,467 --> 01:28:28,907
Speaker 20: final we have seen. What a performance by Yakub Menshick

1720
01:28:29,147 --> 01:28:36,387
Speaker 20: he converts to become the twenty twenty six ASB Classic champion.

1721
01:28:36,347 --> 01:28:39,027
Speaker 2: To the Premier League. A frustrating day for us and

1722
01:28:39,027 --> 01:28:46,067
Speaker 2: all the league leaders against Nottingham Forest Sucker, that's race again.

1723
01:28:46,307 --> 01:28:49,467
Speaker 2: He's got two, arsen have got three and.

1724
01:28:49,667 --> 01:28:53,627
Speaker 21: They are putting themselves in position to go six points.

1725
01:28:53,347 --> 01:28:54,147
Speaker 22: Clear in the town.

1726
01:28:54,947 --> 01:28:56,867
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think that's the right audio. I think

1727
01:28:56,867 --> 01:28:59,387
Speaker 2: I've played the wrong audio. They drew nil all with

1728
01:28:59,467 --> 01:29:03,707
Speaker 2: Nottingham Forest. Manchester United meantime defend an old trafford against

1729
01:29:03,707 --> 01:29:06,307
Speaker 2: their cross town rivals. You can sneak of a Roman

1730
01:29:06,867 --> 01:29:07,787
Speaker 2: Chalkie's arrival.

1731
01:29:07,987 --> 01:29:13,947
Speaker 22: It's too Chesse Unitas have got themselves a clushion. It's

1732
01:29:14,027 --> 01:29:18,587
Speaker 22: only his second ever called for the club. A one

1733
01:29:18,707 --> 01:29:23,667
Speaker 22: co leads is something, but this two co lead could

1734
01:29:23,707 --> 01:29:24,747
Speaker 22: be everything.

1735
01:29:24,827 --> 01:29:26,467
Speaker 3: From out Chester United.

1736
01:29:26,187 --> 01:29:29,627
Speaker 2: Today winners have a saidy A strong start to the

1737
01:29:29,667 --> 01:29:33,467
Speaker 2: tour down Under for KIWI cyclist Alie Wallaston three.

1738
01:29:33,387 --> 01:29:37,267
Speaker 16: Hundred meters to go, the reaction comes, but the reaction

1739
01:29:37,427 --> 01:29:40,787
Speaker 16: comes too late. If DJ, They've done the work all

1740
01:29:40,907 --> 01:29:43,547
Speaker 16: day long, They're going to take over the stage. Victory

1741
01:29:43,787 --> 01:29:47,067
Speaker 16: with the gap and with the Oka jersey. A team

1742
01:29:47,187 --> 01:29:50,747
Speaker 16: when a kiwister Wallaceston gets it done.

1743
01:29:50,827 --> 01:29:55,307
Speaker 2: And finally, a thrilling latest chapter in the Sam Ruth

1744
01:29:55,627 --> 01:29:59,867
Speaker 2: The Sam Tanor Rivalry has been written at the Potts

1745
01:29:59,907 --> 01:30:02,067
Speaker 2: Classic in Hastings and here.

1746
01:30:02,107 --> 01:30:07,227
Speaker 18: Comes Rose on his shoulder and going past Tenna. Has

1747
01:30:07,467 --> 01:30:11,427
Speaker 18: Sam Tanner got a catch? Ruth in front, Tanner on

1748
01:30:11,507 --> 01:30:17,187
Speaker 18: his heels as they approached the homes straight. It's all

1749
01:30:17,227 --> 01:30:21,307
Speaker 18: on for good money. Here the Sam Showdown living up

1750
01:30:21,347 --> 01:30:30,907
Speaker 18: to expectation. Ruth Tanner closing, Ruth holding Ruth Winter Stop

1751
01:30:31,027 --> 01:30:32,147
Speaker 18: one four six.

1752
01:30:33,387 --> 01:30:37,067
Speaker 1: What a race when it's down to the line. You

1753
01:30:37,147 --> 01:30:42,707
Speaker 1: made a call on Weekend Sport with Jason Hyne News.

1754
01:30:42,507 --> 01:30:45,867
Speaker 2: Talksv Bang on two fourteen. The black Caps have the

1755
01:30:45,947 --> 01:30:49,627
Speaker 2: chance to make more cricket history in India. Tonight they'll

1756
01:30:49,627 --> 01:30:52,627
Speaker 2: play their hosts in the third and final ODI of

1757
01:30:52,627 --> 01:30:56,147
Speaker 2: their series at Indoor. The series is locked at one

1758
01:30:56,227 --> 01:31:00,107
Speaker 2: game apiece. New Zealand have never beaten India in a

1759
01:31:00,147 --> 01:31:04,307
Speaker 2: One Day series in India. Daryl Mitchell's been front and

1760
01:31:04,467 --> 01:31:06,987
Speaker 2: center for the black Caps. Eighty four in the first

1761
01:31:06,987 --> 01:31:11,107
Speaker 2: game in an unbeaten one hundred and thirty one in

1762
01:31:11,187 --> 01:31:14,067
Speaker 2: the second wicket, the seven wicked victory in Game two.

1763
01:31:16,507 --> 01:31:21,427
Speaker 21: Nice played and that's his eight hundred in One Day Internationals.

1764
01:31:21,627 --> 01:31:25,947
Speaker 21: Just like Yah Rowl today it's Darryl Mitchell who's holding

1765
01:31:25,987 --> 01:31:30,947
Speaker 21: this New Zealand innings together and putting them in prime.

1766
01:31:30,787 --> 01:31:33,147
Speaker 3: Position to get maaster the finishing game.

1767
01:31:35,947 --> 01:31:38,427
Speaker 21: What an extraordinary way to finish a game.

1768
01:31:38,907 --> 01:31:42,107
Speaker 2: And what an extraordinary end to an inning that you

1769
01:31:42,147 --> 01:31:44,427
Speaker 2: will remember for a long time. New Zealand And won

1770
01:31:44,467 --> 01:31:46,947
Speaker 2: a game in India after a long time. Yeah, wonderful stuff.

1771
01:31:47,027 --> 01:31:49,787
Speaker 2: Darrell Mitchell is with us. Darryl, thanks for chatting mate.

1772
01:31:49,827 --> 01:31:52,627
Speaker 2: That was your eighth ODI one hundred for New Zealand,

1773
01:31:52,707 --> 01:31:57,227
Speaker 2: your thirteenth across the formats, but an unbeaten one hundred

1774
01:31:57,227 --> 01:31:59,267
Speaker 2: and thirty one in a winning run Chase in India

1775
01:31:59,307 --> 01:32:01,907
Speaker 2: must be pretty special. Where does that inning sit among

1776
01:32:02,027 --> 01:32:04,467
Speaker 2: those that you've played for New Zealand.

1777
01:32:04,907 --> 01:32:07,827
Speaker 23: Hy Panny, thanks having me. Yeah, look, it's I think,

1778
01:32:07,867 --> 01:32:10,587
Speaker 23: firstly just nice. I guess with a younger group, that

1779
01:32:10,787 --> 01:32:12,827
Speaker 23: will an experienced group that we do have over here

1780
01:32:12,867 --> 01:32:15,507
Speaker 23: at the moment to go and prove that we can

1781
01:32:15,547 --> 01:32:17,747
Speaker 23: go and challenge against some of the best in the world.

1782
01:32:17,787 --> 01:32:20,347
Speaker 23: And obviously when that last one, take it to a

1783
01:32:20,467 --> 01:32:23,387
Speaker 23: decider and you're hopeful looking forward to the next one

1784
01:32:23,387 --> 01:32:25,827
Speaker 23: in a couple of days now. So yeah, in terms

1785
01:32:25,827 --> 01:32:29,907
Speaker 23: of yeah special, I guess every time you play for

1786
01:32:29,947 --> 01:32:32,267
Speaker 23: your country special, and every time you contribute to winning

1787
01:32:32,307 --> 01:32:35,827
Speaker 23: games is even more special. So yeah, I don't really

1788
01:32:35,827 --> 01:32:38,307
Speaker 23: I struggle to look back in the past, and I'm

1789
01:32:38,307 --> 01:32:40,307
Speaker 23: sure I'll do that once my career is over.

1790
01:32:40,627 --> 01:32:42,867
Speaker 2: You joined Will Young at forty six for two and

1791
01:32:42,907 --> 01:32:45,947
Speaker 2: the thirteenth chasing two eighty five, so you need six

1792
01:32:45,987 --> 01:32:48,227
Speaker 2: and a half per over from there. What was the

1793
01:32:48,267 --> 01:32:50,627
Speaker 2: plan between the two of you as you started to

1794
01:32:50,627 --> 01:32:51,507
Speaker 2: build the partnership.

1795
01:32:53,507 --> 01:32:56,147
Speaker 23: Yeah, look, I think it's we recognize the new balls

1796
01:32:56,187 --> 01:32:58,787
Speaker 23: probably difficult on that surface, and I thought the way

1797
01:32:59,627 --> 01:33:02,547
Speaker 23: Devon Henry Nichols negated that and then obviously Youngie coming

1798
01:33:02,547 --> 01:33:05,347
Speaker 23: in and got through that period. And for us as

1799
01:33:05,347 --> 01:33:08,107
Speaker 23: a partnership, it was just trying to find ways firstly

1800
01:33:08,187 --> 01:33:11,427
Speaker 23: to keep rotating strike against spin, but also try and

1801
01:33:11,427 --> 01:33:13,787
Speaker 23: find ways to keep putting pressure back on them when

1802
01:33:13,827 --> 01:33:14,747
Speaker 23: it sticks and over on.

1803
01:33:15,067 --> 01:33:16,067
Speaker 6: A slower surface.

1804
01:33:17,467 --> 01:33:19,787
Speaker 23: I guess you've got to keep trying to be proactive

1805
01:33:19,827 --> 01:33:21,347
Speaker 23: because you don't want to let the rate get up

1806
01:33:21,387 --> 01:33:24,547
Speaker 23: too high. And yeah, luckily enough we've got a couple

1807
01:33:24,587 --> 01:33:28,427
Speaker 23: of boundaries away as well, and yeah, we got job done.

1808
01:33:28,547 --> 01:33:31,747
Speaker 2: Yeah, the wicket was noticeably lower and slower than Game one,

1809
01:33:31,907 --> 01:33:35,067
Speaker 2: So did you find yourself going square a lot more

1810
01:33:35,107 --> 01:33:37,227
Speaker 2: often than perhaps down the ground like you normally might.

1811
01:33:39,147 --> 01:33:41,187
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's adapting to the different conditions.

1812
01:33:41,187 --> 01:33:44,027
Speaker 23: They were a lot slower and lower, and yeah, I

1813
01:33:44,027 --> 01:33:46,987
Speaker 23: guess you're constantly with the fields that they set. You're

1814
01:33:47,027 --> 01:33:49,347
Speaker 23: trying to find ways to put them back under pressure.

1815
01:33:49,347 --> 01:33:52,707
Speaker 23: And whether that's using your feet, whether that's sweeping, there's

1816
01:33:52,747 --> 01:33:54,987
Speaker 23: different ways. And I think the cool thing with batting

1817
01:33:54,987 --> 01:33:56,787
Speaker 23: with the Youngie is we both do it quite differently,

1818
01:33:56,867 --> 01:34:00,347
Speaker 23: so it finds ways to put them under different options.

1819
01:34:00,387 --> 01:34:03,347
Speaker 23: And yeah, it was nice that it paid off this time.

1820
01:34:03,467 --> 01:34:05,387
Speaker 2: I hope you mentioned after the game that you'd been

1821
01:34:05,467 --> 01:34:08,947
Speaker 2: preparing for this in the marquee at Lincoln. Can you

1822
01:34:08,987 --> 01:34:12,347
Speaker 2: just tell us about that and what conditions you can

1823
01:34:12,667 --> 01:34:14,067
Speaker 2: replicate down there.

1824
01:34:15,787 --> 01:34:17,187
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I live in Lincoln.

1825
01:34:17,227 --> 01:34:19,547
Speaker 23: I live probably five minutes down the road from the

1826
01:34:19,587 --> 01:34:23,427
Speaker 23: training base. So that's always very handy when you can

1827
01:34:23,667 --> 01:34:25,347
Speaker 23: have just stuck down the road and do some work.

1828
01:34:25,427 --> 01:34:29,467
Speaker 23: So yeah, obviously the marquee there which we can create

1829
01:34:29,507 --> 01:34:33,587
Speaker 23: some conditions that we are preparing for. We've we've done

1830
01:34:33,587 --> 01:34:35,347
Speaker 23: it for a number of years now as a group.

1831
01:34:35,387 --> 01:34:39,347
Speaker 23: And yeah, it's probably we've been playing so much the

1832
01:34:39,427 --> 01:34:41,987
Speaker 23: last sort of three four months. But you know, with

1833
01:34:42,027 --> 01:34:44,747
Speaker 23: what's coming up with World Cups and stuff, you're constantly

1834
01:34:44,787 --> 01:34:47,947
Speaker 23: I guess preparing for what is to come. And part

1835
01:34:47,987 --> 01:34:51,347
Speaker 23: of this was this odio series And yeah, so you

1836
01:34:51,347 --> 01:34:53,547
Speaker 23: just tinker away and you find options that you want

1837
01:34:53,547 --> 01:34:55,227
Speaker 23: to try when you get into the game. And yeah,

1838
01:34:55,467 --> 01:34:57,187
Speaker 23: again it's nice that it pays off sometimes.

1839
01:34:57,267 --> 01:35:00,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's clearly working, clearly working. Win's over India

1840
01:35:00,347 --> 01:35:02,147
Speaker 2: fifty over cricket to be fairly hard to come by,

1841
01:35:02,227 --> 01:35:05,427
Speaker 2: particularly in India. Well, what would it mean to win

1842
01:35:05,507 --> 01:35:07,827
Speaker 2: a series there for the first time ever with a

1843
01:35:07,947 --> 01:35:09,907
Speaker 2: relatively an experienced team.

1844
01:35:11,387 --> 01:35:13,147
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, it would be seriously cool.

1845
01:35:13,187 --> 01:35:16,507
Speaker 23: We we obviously we climb out Everest last year well

1846
01:35:16,867 --> 01:35:19,747
Speaker 23: with the three now Test Test series went over here

1847
01:35:19,787 --> 01:35:22,467
Speaker 23: and yeah, then I guess to do it in the

1848
01:35:22,507 --> 01:35:24,587
Speaker 23: one day series it would be pretty special as well.

1849
01:35:24,627 --> 01:35:28,187
Speaker 23: But yeah, look, we it's it's we know what it's

1850
01:35:28,227 --> 01:35:30,147
Speaker 23: going to take to have to try and win this

1851
01:35:30,227 --> 01:35:30,587
Speaker 23: next one.

1852
01:35:30,587 --> 01:35:32,067
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to be ruthless.

1853
01:35:31,667 --> 01:35:34,747
Speaker 23: With the ball and bill partnerships with the bat and

1854
01:35:34,787 --> 01:35:37,667
Speaker 23: hopefully it all comes together and we do we do

1855
01:35:37,827 --> 01:35:38,787
Speaker 23: get across the line.

1856
01:35:38,987 --> 01:35:41,907
Speaker 2: How have the newer guys to the team fitted in?

1857
01:35:41,947 --> 01:35:44,427
Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's a you know, several players

1858
01:35:44,467 --> 01:35:46,907
Speaker 2: who have either not been in the black Caps environment

1859
01:35:46,987 --> 01:35:49,347
Speaker 2: before or haven't been in it very often. What have

1860
01:35:49,387 --> 01:35:51,787
Speaker 2: you seen from the from the relative newcomers to the

1861
01:35:51,827 --> 01:35:53,907
Speaker 2: side and the way they've adapted to being black Caps?

1862
01:35:55,147 --> 01:35:57,067
Speaker 23: Yeah, look, it's it's cool that you know that these

1863
01:35:57,107 --> 01:35:59,307
Speaker 23: guys are getting I think, and to be able to

1864
01:35:59,347 --> 01:36:02,227
Speaker 23: experience India. You know, when you tour India and and

1865
01:36:02,947 --> 01:36:06,107
Speaker 23: this what's the word, how big it is to come

1866
01:36:06,147 --> 01:36:07,827
Speaker 23: over to this part of the world and you realize

1867
01:36:07,827 --> 01:36:10,267
Speaker 23: that crickets are religion over here. You only have to

1868
01:36:10,267 --> 01:36:12,427
Speaker 23: see when you hop off, hop off the plane and

1869
01:36:12,467 --> 01:36:15,267
Speaker 23: get to the airport and the airport's full of people

1870
01:36:15,307 --> 01:36:18,467
Speaker 23: screaming your name. I think Zach Folks had a drawing

1871
01:36:18,507 --> 01:36:22,187
Speaker 23: of them sitting there at the entrance. So it's yeah,

1872
01:36:22,187 --> 01:36:24,147
Speaker 23: it's definitely different to what we used to as Kiwi's

1873
01:36:24,187 --> 01:36:27,547
Speaker 23: back home, and I think that's that's the part that

1874
01:36:28,027 --> 01:36:29,947
Speaker 23: it's been cool to see the younger guys sort of

1875
01:36:30,547 --> 01:36:32,467
Speaker 23: see what it is like to tour India and then

1876
01:36:32,507 --> 01:36:35,147
Speaker 23: you add the challenges of playing cricket in a different

1877
01:36:35,187 --> 01:36:37,987
Speaker 23: country and different conditions on top of that. So they'll

1878
01:36:38,027 --> 01:36:40,827
Speaker 23: definitely learn from these experiences and it's going to help

1879
01:36:40,867 --> 01:36:42,427
Speaker 23: them in the long run for sure.

1880
01:36:42,467 --> 01:36:45,027
Speaker 2: Is the fifty other stuff your favorite batting format?

1881
01:36:47,027 --> 01:36:47,187
Speaker 15: Now?

1882
01:36:47,347 --> 01:36:49,787
Speaker 23: I would say, like I love all the three formats.

1883
01:36:49,787 --> 01:36:53,867
Speaker 23: They obviously all provide different challenges. Obviously, test crickets definitely

1884
01:36:53,907 --> 01:36:56,587
Speaker 23: the hardest in terms of the conditions that you face

1885
01:36:56,627 --> 01:36:59,547
Speaker 23: all around the world and the surfaces and having to

1886
01:36:59,547 --> 01:37:02,427
Speaker 23: do it for five days in a row. Odia cricket

1887
01:37:02,467 --> 01:37:05,507
Speaker 23: probably challenges you in different ways. You've you've got to

1888
01:37:05,587 --> 01:37:09,107
Speaker 23: I guess Negate swinging ball up, top spin through the middle,

1889
01:37:09,147 --> 01:37:12,307
Speaker 23: and then the death heading phase in the end, and

1890
01:37:12,347 --> 01:37:15,827
Speaker 23: then T twenties. It's seriously fast. You've got to make

1891
01:37:15,867 --> 01:37:19,907
Speaker 23: decisions really quickly and adapt on the fly. So they're

1892
01:37:19,947 --> 01:37:22,147
Speaker 23: all fun in their own way, and yeah, it's good

1893
01:37:22,187 --> 01:37:25,227
Speaker 23: fun that I consider myself very grateful to be able

1894
01:37:25,267 --> 01:37:26,907
Speaker 23: to play all three formats for our country.

1895
01:37:27,027 --> 01:37:28,987
Speaker 2: Well, after this you go into T twenty mode, of course,

1896
01:37:29,027 --> 01:37:31,667
Speaker 2: a five game series against India ahead of the T

1897
01:37:31,667 --> 01:37:33,947
Speaker 2: twenty World Cup. Do you think that white ball batting,

1898
01:37:34,347 --> 01:37:37,587
Speaker 2: even in fifty over cricket can provide good prep for

1899
01:37:37,707 --> 01:37:40,547
Speaker 2: you for T twenty because you are effectively going to

1900
01:37:40,587 --> 01:37:42,427
Speaker 2: be in the same sorts of conditions.

1901
01:37:43,827 --> 01:37:43,987
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1902
01:37:44,067 --> 01:37:46,347
Speaker 23: Look for me, I think it's been awesome to be

1903
01:37:46,387 --> 01:37:49,547
Speaker 23: over here for this ODI series to prepare for that

1904
01:37:49,547 --> 01:37:52,227
Speaker 23: T twenty World Cup. I guess my role for how

1905
01:37:52,547 --> 01:37:54,107
Speaker 23: what I have to do in the ODI cricket is

1906
01:37:54,107 --> 01:37:57,187
Speaker 23: different to sort of that middle order finishing role that

1907
01:37:57,187 --> 01:37:59,587
Speaker 23: I'll play in the T twenties. But to be over

1908
01:37:59,587 --> 01:38:02,547
Speaker 23: here in the conditions, to be able to prepare and

1909
01:38:02,587 --> 01:38:05,227
Speaker 23: practice on these conditions for an extra two weeks has

1910
01:38:05,267 --> 01:38:09,627
Speaker 23: been really valuable. Hopefully that will help with success come

1911
01:38:09,667 --> 01:38:10,347
Speaker 23: to you twenty time.

1912
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it feels as though a five match series

1913
01:38:13,307 --> 01:38:16,587
Speaker 2: against India a T twenty series. I'm talking here in

1914
01:38:16,667 --> 01:38:18,627
Speaker 2: their conditions where you're gonna play the World Cup. I mean,

1915
01:38:18,667 --> 01:38:20,827
Speaker 2: you couldn't get much better prep than that, could you.

1916
01:38:22,707 --> 01:38:25,147
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's gonna I think it's it's over about ten

1917
01:38:25,227 --> 01:38:27,747
Speaker 23: days as well, so there might be some pretty tired

1918
01:38:27,787 --> 01:38:29,547
Speaker 23: boys by the end of that five match series, so

1919
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Speaker 23: it might get a couple of days off hopefully. But yeah,

1920
01:38:32,667 --> 01:38:34,187
Speaker 23: look it's yeah, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be

1921
01:38:34,227 --> 01:38:37,987
Speaker 23: great prep leading into that World Cup. You know India

1922
01:38:38,427 --> 01:38:40,387
Speaker 23: thing is playing India and India's you know, it's going

1923
01:38:40,427 --> 01:38:42,587
Speaker 23: to be full stadiums, it's going to be seriously loud,

1924
01:38:42,627 --> 01:38:44,627
Speaker 23: and yeah, it's gonna be a great challenge.

1925
01:38:44,707 --> 01:38:46,747
Speaker 2: Nothing better, nothing better. And I know you're only focused

1926
01:38:46,787 --> 01:38:49,667
Speaker 2: on this, but it's a very exciting twelve months ahead

1927
01:38:49,947 --> 01:38:52,667
Speaker 2: with the Red Ball, You're off to England, India, come

1928
01:38:52,707 --> 01:38:55,867
Speaker 2: here and then a Test series in Australia. Have you

1929
01:38:55,947 --> 01:38:57,947
Speaker 2: let yourself think about what the next year or so

1930
01:38:58,027 --> 01:39:00,227
Speaker 2: might look like with the Red Ball for you and

1931
01:39:00,267 --> 01:39:01,027
Speaker 2: for New Zealand.

1932
01:39:02,387 --> 01:39:06,067
Speaker 23: It's a full noise twelve months. Look, I think I

1933
01:39:06,107 --> 01:39:08,307
Speaker 23: kind of break things up into blocks when I look

1934
01:39:08,347 --> 01:39:10,987
Speaker 23: at the calendars, and for me, the last sort of

1935
01:39:11,587 --> 01:39:13,587
Speaker 23: six or twelve months leading up to this has been

1936
01:39:13,587 --> 01:39:16,067
Speaker 23: this T twenty World Cup. So yeah, we'll get to

1937
01:39:16,067 --> 01:39:18,347
Speaker 23: that T twenty World Cup and put all our focus

1938
01:39:18,427 --> 01:39:20,947
Speaker 23: into that, and then I guess I'll sort of switch

1939
01:39:21,147 --> 01:39:24,467
Speaker 23: post that into into the red ball mode and planning

1940
01:39:24,467 --> 01:39:26,787
Speaker 23: my next sort of period of how we're going to

1941
01:39:27,227 --> 01:39:29,507
Speaker 23: hopefully have some success in those and those big test

1942
01:39:29,507 --> 01:39:30,307
Speaker 23: tours after that.

1943
01:39:30,427 --> 01:39:32,067
Speaker 3: So it's exciting.

1944
01:39:32,107 --> 01:39:35,067
Speaker 23: But yeah, the way I guess how I operated, we'll

1945
01:39:35,107 --> 01:39:37,467
Speaker 23: get We'll try and get through this World Cup first.

1946
01:39:38,067 --> 01:39:40,947
Speaker 2: It seems to be working, okay. An exciting time ahead

1947
01:39:40,947 --> 01:39:42,787
Speaker 2: for you and for the team and for cricket fans. Daryl,

1948
01:39:42,787 --> 01:39:44,947
Speaker 2: always appreciate your time, mate, thanks for taking the time

1949
01:39:44,987 --> 01:39:47,187
Speaker 2: for a chat. No it's chess, No, thank you, that's

1950
01:39:47,387 --> 01:39:50,747
Speaker 2: Daryl Mitchell. So tonight nine o'clock is the first ball

1951
01:39:50,787 --> 01:39:54,187
Speaker 2: and the third and final ODI in Indoor win it

1952
01:39:54,307 --> 01:39:56,547
Speaker 2: and New Zealand win a series in India for the

1953
01:39:56,587 --> 01:39:58,987
Speaker 2: first time in the ODI format, then straight into T

1954
01:39:58,987 --> 01:40:01,227
Speaker 2: twenty mode. Those five T twenties, the first of which

1955
01:40:01,307 --> 01:40:04,907
Speaker 2: is on Thursday early hours of Thursday morning, so five

1956
01:40:04,947 --> 01:40:06,987
Speaker 2: of those and then into the Cricket World Cup, the

1957
01:40:06,987 --> 01:40:10,627
Speaker 2: T twenty credit World Cup. Exciting times ahead. Looking forward

1958
01:40:10,627 --> 01:40:13,987
Speaker 2: to a good little diet of cricket over the next

1959
01:40:14,027 --> 01:40:17,107
Speaker 2: little while to twenty four Auckland FC. Their next home

1960
01:40:17,147 --> 01:40:20,307
Speaker 2: game is next Saturday, the twenty fourth of January, five

1961
01:40:20,347 --> 01:40:22,307
Speaker 2: o'clock kick off at go Media Stadium. They take on

1962
01:40:22,347 --> 01:40:25,427
Speaker 2: the Central Coast Mariners as Auckland Anniversary weekend. But if

1963
01:40:25,467 --> 01:40:27,907
Speaker 2: you're going to be around Auckland and you'd like to

1964
01:40:27,947 --> 01:40:32,187
Speaker 2: get along, I've got a six ticket family pass up

1965
01:40:32,187 --> 01:40:33,987
Speaker 2: for grabs for this game. If you would like to

1966
01:40:33,987 --> 01:40:37,667
Speaker 2: be in to win it, simply text AFC and your

1967
01:40:37,747 --> 01:40:41,387
Speaker 2: name to nine two ninety two. AFC and your name

1968
01:40:41,427 --> 01:40:43,467
Speaker 2: to nine two ninety two. We'll put you in the

1969
01:40:43,507 --> 01:40:47,627
Speaker 2: draw a sixth ticket family pass to watch Auckland FC's

1970
01:40:47,627 --> 01:40:50,587
Speaker 2: next home game next Saturday against the Central Coast Mariners

1971
01:40:50,587 --> 01:40:53,467
Speaker 2: go Media Stadium at five o'clock. We will do the drawer.

1972
01:40:53,867 --> 01:40:55,907
Speaker 2: I think tomorrow is when I was told the draw

1973
01:40:55,947 --> 01:40:57,387
Speaker 2: will be done and we'll you know if you've got

1974
01:40:57,387 --> 01:41:00,267
Speaker 2: the six tickets AFC and your name to nine two

1975
01:41:00,587 --> 01:41:05,627
Speaker 2: nine two. When we come back. It's floor ball, something

1976
01:41:05,667 --> 01:41:08,307
Speaker 2: we we don't talk about very often on Weekend Sport,

1977
01:41:08,307 --> 01:41:10,507
Speaker 2: but there's a good reason to talk about it today.

1978
01:41:10,707 --> 01:41:15,187
Speaker 2: Our men's team a one win away from the Men's

1979
01:41:15,307 --> 01:41:19,147
Speaker 2: World floor Ball Championships in December, which add to their

1980
01:41:19,147 --> 01:41:21,027
Speaker 2: coach christi An Birching When we come.

1981
01:41:20,907 --> 01:41:22,787
Speaker 3: Back, don't get caught off side.

1982
01:41:24,067 --> 01:41:28,707
Speaker 1: Eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Paine and GJ. Gardnerhomes New

1983
01:41:28,787 --> 01:41:30,387
Speaker 1: Zealand's most trusted home builder.

1984
01:41:30,507 --> 01:41:31,467
Speaker 6: News Talks NB.

1985
01:41:32,107 --> 01:41:34,987
Speaker 2: Two twenty seven on News Talk s'b all this week

1986
01:41:35,027 --> 01:41:38,907
Speaker 2: at the Akultangi Indoor Sports Center in Wellington. The Asia

1987
01:41:38,987 --> 01:41:44,667
Speaker 2: Oceania Region qualification tournament for this year's Men's World Floorball

1988
01:41:44,827 --> 01:41:49,947
Speaker 2: Championships has been taking place ten nations split initially into

1989
01:41:49,987 --> 01:41:52,867
Speaker 2: two groups for paul play. The top teams advance to

1990
01:41:52,907 --> 01:41:56,867
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Four teams will qualify for the Men's World

1991
01:41:56,907 --> 01:42:01,507
Speaker 2: Floorball Champs in Finland in December. Tonight, New Zealand will

1992
01:42:01,507 --> 01:42:04,747
Speaker 2: face Japan in a winner takes all showdown for a

1993
01:42:04,827 --> 01:42:09,107
Speaker 2: qualifying spot at the World Champs. New Zealand coaches Christian

1994
01:42:09,507 --> 01:42:12,827
Speaker 2: Birchinger How confident were you going in that you'd reached

1995
01:42:12,867 --> 01:42:16,187
Speaker 2: this point, Christiana, a game away, a win away from

1996
01:42:16,267 --> 01:42:17,747
Speaker 2: making it to the World Champs.

1997
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Speaker 15: Yeah.

1998
01:42:18,987 --> 01:42:21,067
Speaker 24: I mean, that's that's what they've been working for for

1999
01:42:21,147 --> 01:42:24,907
Speaker 24: quite a while with the team, and that was our

2000
01:42:25,027 --> 01:42:28,307
Speaker 24: goal to get to this deciding game. Yeah, when it

2001
01:42:28,347 --> 01:42:30,187
Speaker 24: takes all tonight, which is very exciting.

2002
01:42:30,707 --> 01:42:32,867
Speaker 2: Indeed, tell us about the week you've had, the games

2003
01:42:32,867 --> 01:42:35,187
Speaker 2: you've played. How happy have you been with your team's

2004
01:42:35,187 --> 01:42:36,467
Speaker 2: performances up till now.

2005
01:42:37,547 --> 01:42:40,027
Speaker 24: Yeah, So the team has performed really well, and what

2006
01:42:40,187 --> 01:42:43,347
Speaker 24: we really are sort of confident also today is that

2007
01:42:43,747 --> 01:42:46,027
Speaker 24: we sort of stepped it up from game to game.

2008
01:42:46,467 --> 01:42:46,907
Speaker 8: We had.

2009
01:42:47,267 --> 01:42:51,067
Speaker 24: We had initial two games against China and the Solomon Islands,

2010
01:42:51,067 --> 01:42:53,627
Speaker 24: we got away with two wins. Those were probably the

2011
01:42:54,147 --> 01:42:56,787
Speaker 24: sort of the week teams in our group. Then we

2012
01:42:56,867 --> 01:42:59,467
Speaker 24: had a very good game and the very narrow loss

2013
01:42:59,467 --> 01:43:02,987
Speaker 24: against Singapore, who was one of the top teams. They've

2014
01:43:02,987 --> 01:43:06,707
Speaker 24: already qualified they won hour group. And then last night

2015
01:43:06,827 --> 01:43:10,867
Speaker 24: we played the Philippines, which traditionally asked for the top

2016
01:43:10,987 --> 01:43:13,787
Speaker 24: team in our part of the world, and we managed

2017
01:43:13,787 --> 01:43:15,747
Speaker 24: to get a five five all draw with team. So

2018
01:43:15,787 --> 01:43:18,387
Speaker 24: that has given us quite a bit confidence the team

2019
01:43:18,467 --> 01:43:20,267
Speaker 24: is as a setter sort of stepped it up from

2020
01:43:20,267 --> 01:43:22,907
Speaker 24: game to games, so I think we're all ready for tonight.

2021
01:43:23,547 --> 01:43:26,547
Speaker 2: I hear that there was a fairly dramatic finish to

2022
01:43:26,667 --> 01:43:29,347
Speaker 2: last night's five all draw with the Philippines.

2023
01:43:30,507 --> 01:43:34,067
Speaker 24: Yeah. Absolutely. We were five three down with maybe seven

2024
01:43:34,107 --> 01:43:37,827
Speaker 24: minutes to go, managed to pull one back and then

2025
01:43:38,427 --> 01:43:41,547
Speaker 24: in the end what you can do in floorball, you

2026
01:43:41,547 --> 01:43:44,587
Speaker 24: can pull the keeper to put an extra field player on.

2027
01:43:44,667 --> 01:43:49,187
Speaker 24: So with that Dad six few players and then managed

2028
01:43:49,187 --> 01:43:52,267
Speaker 24: to equalize with one second to go. So one second

2029
01:43:52,267 --> 01:43:55,307
Speaker 24: on the clock was when we scored. The equalizers are

2030
01:43:55,347 --> 01:43:57,947
Speaker 24: pretty pretty exciting finish for the crowd.

2031
01:43:58,507 --> 01:44:02,107
Speaker 2: Absolutely great stuff. Before we talk about Japan tonight, not

2032
01:44:02,187 --> 01:44:05,147
Speaker 2: all of our listeners will be familiar with floorball. Can

2033
01:44:05,147 --> 01:44:06,867
Speaker 2: you give us a broad description the sport.

2034
01:44:08,307 --> 01:44:11,667
Speaker 24: Yeah, it's a top of indoor hockey, so it's it's running,

2035
01:44:12,067 --> 01:44:15,667
Speaker 24: lots of running. It's very fast paced. The court has

2036
01:44:15,787 --> 01:44:18,667
Speaker 24: boards around it so you can bounce the ball off

2037
01:44:18,667 --> 01:44:21,747
Speaker 24: the side. The goals are set in similar to ice hockey,

2038
01:44:22,627 --> 01:44:24,867
Speaker 24: and you've got a goalie and five few players on

2039
01:44:24,907 --> 01:44:28,587
Speaker 24: the courts. Again, some very close similarities to ice hockey,

2040
01:44:28,667 --> 01:44:31,987
Speaker 24: just without the ice and without the skating, and we play.

2041
01:44:31,787 --> 01:44:32,587
Speaker 11: With the ball.

2042
01:44:33,907 --> 01:44:38,027
Speaker 24: Light white sticks. It's it's not too physical, but there's

2043
01:44:38,067 --> 01:44:40,147
Speaker 24: always a bit of shoulder to shoulder like you would

2044
01:44:40,187 --> 01:44:42,547
Speaker 24: see in a football game as well, So there's there's

2045
01:44:42,187 --> 01:44:45,827
Speaker 24: definitely some good, good physicalities in the game as well.

2046
01:44:46,307 --> 01:44:48,507
Speaker 2: And the ball itself is it is it the weight

2047
01:44:48,547 --> 01:44:51,267
Speaker 2: of a tennis ball lighter than that? How would you

2048
01:44:51,307 --> 01:44:53,547
Speaker 2: how would you describe the ball that you're that you're

2049
01:44:53,547 --> 01:44:54,107
Speaker 2: playing with.

2050
01:44:55,147 --> 01:44:57,707
Speaker 24: Yeah, it's it's a hollow, plastic ball. It's got it's

2051
01:44:57,707 --> 01:45:01,747
Speaker 24: got holes in it. Some listeners might remember Uni Howk

2052
01:45:01,787 --> 01:45:08,107
Speaker 24: from gear Pe time. It's it's so it's a sport

2053
01:45:08,147 --> 01:45:10,627
Speaker 24: that are sometimes played at schools. It's a light white

2054
01:45:10,667 --> 01:45:13,987
Speaker 24: ball that can travel very fast but doesn't have a

2055
01:45:14,027 --> 01:45:17,227
Speaker 24: lot of weight, so people usually use their bodies to

2056
01:45:17,307 --> 01:45:21,947
Speaker 24: block shots, which yeah, is still a possibility years it

2057
01:45:22,027 --> 01:45:24,067
Speaker 24: can you feel it if you block a shot, but

2058
01:45:24,067 --> 01:45:26,467
Speaker 24: it's not going to do any damage, so it's not

2059
01:45:26,667 --> 01:45:27,867
Speaker 24: dangerous in that sense.

2060
01:45:28,467 --> 01:45:30,507
Speaker 2: Do you tend to get most of the players who

2061
01:45:30,587 --> 01:45:34,267
Speaker 2: come to floorball from from hockey? You know, it sounds,

2062
01:45:34,267 --> 01:45:37,827
Speaker 2: as you've outlined it, similar to field hockey indoors. We

2063
01:45:37,867 --> 01:45:40,547
Speaker 2: don't play as much ice hockey here. Of course, what

2064
01:45:40,587 --> 01:45:43,227
Speaker 2: backgrounds do do players typically come from.

2065
01:45:45,227 --> 01:45:48,507
Speaker 24: We do have some players that crossed over from hockey.

2066
01:45:48,867 --> 01:45:51,267
Speaker 24: But what do we find, especially in the Wellington region,

2067
01:45:51,667 --> 01:45:55,387
Speaker 24: is that there's a large number who started to play

2068
01:45:55,427 --> 01:46:00,067
Speaker 24: floorball at primary school, have gone through through clubs and

2069
01:46:00,187 --> 01:46:03,587
Speaker 24: trainings and some have made it their main sport ten

2070
01:46:03,707 --> 01:46:06,067
Speaker 24: twelve years ago and have been playing for a long time.

2071
01:46:06,107 --> 01:46:09,987
Speaker 24: So more and more of our players in the national

2072
01:46:10,027 --> 01:46:13,507
Speaker 24: team have actually sort of just come through Flobal which

2073
01:46:13,547 --> 01:46:17,027
Speaker 24: is really where we see the biggest difference that yeah,

2074
01:46:17,067 --> 01:46:19,547
Speaker 24: we've we've got players in the team now that yeah,

2075
01:46:19,667 --> 01:46:22,347
Speaker 24: they've been playing this for quite a while and put

2076
01:46:22,387 --> 01:46:24,107
Speaker 24: a lot of time and if it's been to getting

2077
01:46:24,107 --> 01:46:25,387
Speaker 24: to the level direct.

2078
01:46:25,907 --> 01:46:30,147
Speaker 2: So Japain tonight, Christian, how confident are you about getting

2079
01:46:30,147 --> 01:46:32,467
Speaker 2: the victory you need tonight to get to the World Champs.

2080
01:46:34,627 --> 01:46:36,747
Speaker 24: We're we know that's going to be going to be

2081
01:46:37,067 --> 01:46:38,027
Speaker 24: a good challenge.

2082
01:46:38,467 --> 01:46:39,107
Speaker 14: We're up to it.

2083
01:46:39,827 --> 01:46:44,507
Speaker 24: We've played Japan before there. They're always very fast here.

2084
01:46:44,547 --> 01:46:47,587
Speaker 24: Not the biggest athletes, but they're very fit, very quick.

2085
01:46:47,667 --> 01:46:51,667
Speaker 24: They've got good stick skills. We've got a good system,

2086
01:46:51,747 --> 01:46:54,307
Speaker 24: we've got a good defensive system that worked well against

2087
01:46:54,347 --> 01:46:57,267
Speaker 24: some of the top teams already. So if we stick

2088
01:46:57,307 --> 01:47:00,867
Speaker 24: to our plan and then can count to them on

2089
01:47:01,587 --> 01:47:05,547
Speaker 24: twick counter attacks can be good, good with our passing,

2090
01:47:06,587 --> 01:47:09,067
Speaker 24: then I think we stand a good chance. And yeah,

2091
01:47:09,267 --> 01:47:11,707
Speaker 24: we just need need a good performance again from the

2092
01:47:11,747 --> 01:47:13,707
Speaker 24: team and a good support from the crowd.

2093
01:47:14,507 --> 01:47:16,307
Speaker 2: And would this be history making? Have you been to

2094
01:47:16,347 --> 01:47:17,427
Speaker 2: the World Champs before?

2095
01:47:19,267 --> 01:47:19,347
Speaker 6: Not?

2096
01:47:19,507 --> 01:47:22,347
Speaker 24: What the means team? Now, we've never been to the

2097
01:47:22,387 --> 01:47:24,867
Speaker 24: World Champs with our means or women's teams. We have

2098
01:47:25,107 --> 01:47:28,667
Speaker 24: been with our under nineteen mean or under nineteen women,

2099
01:47:28,747 --> 01:47:32,587
Speaker 24: but yeah for the for the senior team, that would

2100
01:47:32,587 --> 01:47:35,227
Speaker 24: be an absolute Yeah, first time.

2101
01:47:35,747 --> 01:47:40,347
Speaker 2: Brilliant history making is beckoning. So what time you underway tonight, Christian?

2102
01:47:40,427 --> 01:47:42,347
Speaker 2: For those in the Wellington region you might want to

2103
01:47:42,347 --> 01:47:43,627
Speaker 2: get down and lend their voice.

2104
01:47:44,747 --> 01:47:47,387
Speaker 24: Yes, I'll start start of the game as at steven

2105
01:47:48,147 --> 01:47:50,947
Speaker 24: Usually I was recomming to be there maybe teen fifteen

2106
01:47:50,947 --> 01:47:53,747
Speaker 24: minutes earlier, just to make sure you get in in time.

2107
01:47:53,787 --> 01:47:56,427
Speaker 24: We had close with a thousand people last night and

2108
01:47:56,467 --> 01:48:01,027
Speaker 24: some amazing, some amazing cheering going on. So yeah, we're

2109
01:48:01,107 --> 01:48:05,187
Speaker 24: absolutely looking forward to a great, great performance again tonight

2110
01:48:05,307 --> 01:48:08,307
Speaker 24: and the crowd. I think all the players on the

2111
01:48:08,347 --> 01:48:10,507
Speaker 24: bench we who at the crowd the whole time. There

2112
01:48:10,627 --> 01:48:13,027
Speaker 24: was definite play, a big bonus for us to play

2113
01:48:13,027 --> 01:48:14,147
Speaker 24: in front of home crowd.

2114
01:48:14,987 --> 01:48:17,107
Speaker 2: All the best tonight, Christian. An exciting time for you

2115
01:48:17,147 --> 01:48:20,187
Speaker 2: and for the team. Appreciate you taking time on game

2116
01:48:20,267 --> 01:48:23,067
Speaker 2: day to have a chat to us. All the best tonight, wonderful.

2117
01:48:23,187 --> 01:48:24,187
Speaker 24: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Cheers no cheers to you as well, Christian. Christian butching

2119
01:48:27,067 --> 01:48:29,267
Speaker 2: are there. He's the coach of the men's floorball team.

2120
01:48:29,307 --> 01:48:32,707
Speaker 2: They played Japan tonight at seven Kutangi Sports Center. That's

2121
01:48:32,747 --> 01:48:36,347
Speaker 2: the indoor sports center out by Wellington Airport. I've been

2122
01:48:36,787 --> 01:48:40,707
Speaker 2: to that sports center dozens hundreds of times watching my

2123
01:48:40,867 --> 01:48:44,507
Speaker 2: own son play basketball, and there's always floorball going on

2124
01:48:44,587 --> 01:48:48,587
Speaker 2: down there. As Christian outlined, it's basically field hockey or

2125
01:48:48,627 --> 01:48:53,347
Speaker 2: ice hockey indoors on a gym floor, very fast. They

2126
01:48:53,427 --> 01:48:57,027
Speaker 2: seem to take it really seriously. There's, as Christian outlined,

2127
01:48:57,067 --> 01:49:00,827
Speaker 2: there now young players who it's their main sport, not

2128
01:49:00,867 --> 01:49:02,307
Speaker 2: just something they do is a bit of fun on

2129
01:49:02,347 --> 01:49:05,107
Speaker 2: the side, it's their main sports. Of all the best

2130
01:49:05,107 --> 01:49:08,707
Speaker 2: of the New Zealand team to night against Japan. An

2131
01:49:08,787 --> 01:49:11,987
Speaker 2: array of personal bests and made in titles meantime have

2132
01:49:12,027 --> 01:49:14,907
Speaker 2: been claimed that the Potts Classic Track and Field events

2133
01:49:14,907 --> 01:49:17,227
Speaker 2: in Hawks Bay. As you heard during our in Case

2134
01:49:17,267 --> 01:49:20,947
Speaker 2: You missed It feature, sixteen year old Sam Ruth upset

2135
01:49:20,987 --> 01:49:23,507
Speaker 2: at two time Olympian Sam Tanner in the eight hundred

2136
01:49:23,547 --> 01:49:27,507
Speaker 2: meters by eight hundredths of a second and setting a

2137
01:49:27,547 --> 01:49:30,747
Speaker 2: new under twenty national record time of one minute forty

2138
01:49:30,787 --> 01:49:34,427
Speaker 2: five point eight six seconds. He also snuck under the

2139
01:49:34,427 --> 01:49:39,187
Speaker 2: World Indoor Championship entry standard time. In the sprints, Zoey

2140
01:49:39,187 --> 01:49:43,227
Speaker 2: Hobbs and ti R. Welpton took out their respective inaugural

2141
01:49:43,587 --> 01:49:46,947
Speaker 2: short Track Championship sixty meter titles.

2142
01:49:48,067 --> 01:49:53,707
Speaker 19: And his thro clean start Welton already edges clear and

2143
01:49:53,907 --> 01:49:57,827
Speaker 19: Tian Welton gets it done. Troy Middleton looks to have

2144
01:49:57,867 --> 01:50:02,507
Speaker 19: gone up for second, but a fantastic result and run

2145
01:50:02,667 --> 01:50:07,667
Speaker 19: from that man. Six point eight zero is the unofficial time.

2146
01:50:07,507 --> 01:50:11,867
Speaker 2: Through Tijan Welton is with us. Congratulations made on being

2147
01:50:11,987 --> 01:50:15,227
Speaker 2: our first ever short track national champion. Nice to take

2148
01:50:15,227 --> 01:50:15,707
Speaker 2: that one.

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01:50:15,587 --> 01:50:17,907
Speaker 25: Off, absolutely, yeah. A little bit of a tough doer

2150
01:50:17,947 --> 01:50:19,907
Speaker 25: in the office in terms of performances. You know we're

2151
01:50:19,947 --> 01:50:23,027
Speaker 25: running into some pretty nasty headwinds and it wasn't too

2152
01:50:23,027 --> 01:50:25,067
Speaker 25: hot up there. But as you mentioned, you know, it

2153
01:50:25,107 --> 01:50:27,067
Speaker 25: does a national championships and the goal is to win

2154
01:50:27,067 --> 01:50:28,827
Speaker 25: a medal best, not to run a quick time. So

2155
01:50:29,507 --> 01:50:31,507
Speaker 25: managed to get that done and going down in the

2156
01:50:31,587 --> 01:50:33,787
Speaker 25: history books now was the first ever New Zealand short

2157
01:50:33,827 --> 01:50:35,307
Speaker 25: track six to get a champion You.

2158
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Speaker 2: Ran six point Yeah, you ran six point eight in

2159
01:50:37,467 --> 01:50:39,547
Speaker 2: New Zealand record six point five. I know you are

2160
01:50:39,587 --> 01:50:43,347
Speaker 2: aiming for sub six point six, but the headwind kind

2161
01:50:43,347 --> 01:50:44,747
Speaker 2: of put paid to that, did it.

2162
01:50:45,307 --> 01:50:47,347
Speaker 25: Yes, Yeah, it was a pretty big head when it

2163
01:50:47,387 --> 01:50:52,787
Speaker 25: was about minus three, which is pretty nasty. I think

2164
01:50:52,907 --> 01:50:56,267
Speaker 25: most of the boys proved to be around two and

2165
01:50:56,267 --> 01:50:58,427
Speaker 25: a half tenths or their best, so that would put

2166
01:50:58,467 --> 01:51:00,827
Speaker 25: me around six to fifty five if that's the case,

2167
01:51:00,867 --> 01:51:02,867
Speaker 25: and that's exactly where I want to be.

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01:51:03,867 --> 01:51:06,907
Speaker 2: Is the race strategy the same tian You know? Obviously

2169
01:51:06,947 --> 01:51:11,627
Speaker 2: it's shorter, so presumably the start is even more important.

2170
01:51:11,667 --> 01:51:14,587
Speaker 2: But is it basically the same as running the one

2171
01:51:14,627 --> 01:51:15,547
Speaker 2: hundred meters or not?

2172
01:51:16,347 --> 01:51:18,947
Speaker 25: It's very similar, and I can tell you that because

2173
01:51:18,947 --> 01:51:20,987
Speaker 25: I know what my sixty meter splits are on one

2174
01:51:21,067 --> 01:51:23,347
Speaker 25: hundred meter races. And they are quite similar to by

2175
01:51:23,347 --> 01:51:26,227
Speaker 25: sixty times. I will say in the sixty sometimes it's

2176
01:51:26,307 --> 01:51:29,427
Speaker 25: beneficial to try and drive out just a little bit longer.

2177
01:51:30,187 --> 01:51:31,747
Speaker 25: And obviously you know you want to dip it the

2178
01:51:31,787 --> 01:51:33,787
Speaker 25: sixty meter mark, which is very different to the one hundred,

2179
01:51:33,787 --> 01:51:36,587
Speaker 25: and you want to upright at sixty fo one hundred.

2180
01:51:36,587 --> 01:51:40,067
Speaker 25: But the sixty itself, you can definitely push it a

2181
01:51:40,147 --> 01:51:42,187
Speaker 25: little bit longer, and it doesn't matter if you're coming

2182
01:51:42,227 --> 01:51:43,907
Speaker 25: towards palling over at sixty.

2183
01:51:44,587 --> 01:51:47,187
Speaker 2: And the four by one hundred meter relay thirty nine

2184
01:51:47,227 --> 01:51:49,547
Speaker 2: point sixty nine. I know that New Zealand record was

2185
01:51:49,587 --> 01:51:52,307
Speaker 2: in your site's thirty eight point nine to nine. You

2186
01:51:52,347 --> 01:51:55,067
Speaker 2: guys ran what thirty nine oh nine in Australia about

2187
01:51:55,067 --> 01:51:57,467
Speaker 2: a week or so ago. You reckon that record's going

2188
01:51:57,507 --> 01:51:58,667
Speaker 2: to be yours soon? Surely?

2189
01:51:59,187 --> 01:52:01,387
Speaker 25: Oh one hundred percent. I reckon you'll have that shortly.

2190
01:52:01,947 --> 01:52:04,307
Speaker 25: You know, if the boys had some pressure legs, the

2191
01:52:04,347 --> 01:52:06,387
Speaker 25: conditions are better up there. I don't see why we

2192
01:52:06,667 --> 01:52:08,947
Speaker 25: can do that. We were so close in Brisbane, you know,

2193
01:52:09,027 --> 01:52:11,667
Speaker 25: our first time ever running together out. I think yesterday

2194
01:52:11,747 --> 01:52:14,147
Speaker 25: was just another fantastic chance to get to practice those

2195
01:52:14,187 --> 01:52:17,347
Speaker 25: changeovers and we managed to tell them again. So if

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01:52:17,347 --> 01:52:19,107
Speaker 25: we're all running a bit quicker, I think it's going

2197
01:52:19,187 --> 01:52:19,347
Speaker 25: to go.

2198
01:52:20,907 --> 01:52:23,787
Speaker 2: When you're looking to shave gee, you know, tenths of

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01:52:23,827 --> 01:52:26,987
Speaker 2: a second off to get that New Zealand record. Is

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01:52:27,027 --> 01:52:31,707
Speaker 2: that those those time you know that those time improvements

2201
01:52:31,787 --> 01:52:34,907
Speaker 2: likely to come in the changeover of the batton or

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01:52:34,987 --> 01:52:36,987
Speaker 2: is it each of you just running a little bit

2203
01:52:37,067 --> 01:52:38,747
Speaker 2: quicker once you have the batton in your hand.

2204
01:52:39,787 --> 01:52:40,547
Speaker 6: It's a bit of both.

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01:52:40,627 --> 01:52:42,627
Speaker 25: I think that there's definitely always a lot of time

2206
01:52:42,627 --> 01:52:44,787
Speaker 25: to be saved in the changes. That's where most teams

2207
01:52:44,787 --> 01:52:48,307
Speaker 25: will make up most of their times. But being said,

2208
01:52:48,387 --> 01:52:50,587
Speaker 25: you know, as the season goes on, we're all expecting

2209
01:52:50,627 --> 01:52:53,227
Speaker 25: to get a little quicker the better on anyway. So

2210
01:52:53,467 --> 01:52:55,347
Speaker 25: you know, if each of us can shove off half

2211
01:52:55,347 --> 01:52:57,987
Speaker 25: a tenth from one hundred meter run, then we're there.

2212
01:52:58,067 --> 01:52:59,947
Speaker 25: So that's all we need. So I don't see why

2213
01:52:59,947 --> 01:53:01,467
Speaker 25: we would be able to do it sometime soon.

2214
01:53:02,147 --> 01:53:04,787
Speaker 2: And I know that the eight hundred meters were shortly

2215
01:53:04,827 --> 01:53:06,907
Speaker 2: after the relay. Did you get the get the chance

2216
01:53:06,947 --> 01:53:08,507
Speaker 2: to watch the two SAMs going at it?

2217
01:53:09,747 --> 01:53:12,467
Speaker 25: The best view of these because I just got my

2218
01:53:12,507 --> 01:53:15,347
Speaker 25: middle so I was on the infield to scream and

2219
01:53:15,387 --> 01:53:17,747
Speaker 25: shout at them as they be going into the final

2220
01:53:17,787 --> 01:53:19,107
Speaker 25: app and that was awesome to watch.

2221
01:53:19,547 --> 01:53:21,787
Speaker 2: Outstanding. It's a pretty exciting time for track and field.

2222
01:53:21,827 --> 01:53:24,707
Speaker 2: So what's next to your big year coming? What's next

2223
01:53:24,707 --> 01:53:26,067
Speaker 2: for you in the immediate future.

2224
01:53:26,427 --> 01:53:28,827
Speaker 25: In the immediate future, I'll be competing at the Cooks

2225
01:53:28,827 --> 01:53:32,347
Speaker 25: Classic at Longaui next weekend and then after that I'll

2226
01:53:32,347 --> 01:53:34,307
Speaker 25: be heading over to Wellington to the Capital for the

2227
01:53:34,347 --> 01:53:35,707
Speaker 25: Capitol Classet.

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01:53:36,147 --> 01:53:38,587
Speaker 2: And Wendy and will you run the relay in one

2229
01:53:38,667 --> 01:53:40,507
Speaker 2: or both of those you When are you guys nextly

2230
01:53:40,507 --> 01:53:42,587
Speaker 2: going to have a crack at this relay record?

2231
01:53:43,107 --> 01:53:44,947
Speaker 25: Yeah? So that the relay is tough is we obviously

2232
01:53:44,947 --> 01:53:48,027
Speaker 25: needs to be there at the same competition, So I'm

2233
01:53:48,067 --> 01:53:51,107
Speaker 25: not sure if we'll get one at either of those competitions,

2234
01:53:51,107 --> 01:53:52,987
Speaker 25: but we're definitely eyeing up trying to do it at

2235
01:53:53,027 --> 01:53:55,947
Speaker 25: the International Track Meeting christ Church next month.

2236
01:53:56,267 --> 01:53:58,187
Speaker 2: All right, we'll look forward to tracking your progress there.

2237
01:53:58,187 --> 01:54:00,827
Speaker 2: Congrats on yesterday, Tiana, and that is always thanks for

2238
01:54:00,867 --> 01:54:03,707
Speaker 2: taking the time for a chat.

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01:54:02,387 --> 01:54:04,507
Speaker 25: Oh, thanks to you too, have.

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Speaker 6: A wonderful day.

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01:54:05,067 --> 01:54:07,707
Speaker 2: You have a great day too. Tant Wilton, who added

2242
01:54:07,747 --> 01:54:12,467
Speaker 2: the short track Championship, the inaugural short Track Championship sixty

2243
01:54:12,507 --> 01:54:16,827
Speaker 2: meters to his list of achievements. Yesterday at the Potts

2244
01:54:16,867 --> 01:54:20,267
Speaker 2: Classic in Hastings twenty to three. When we come back,

2245
01:54:20,347 --> 01:54:22,867
Speaker 2: we'll get inside the Wellington Phoenix camp. They take on

2246
01:54:22,907 --> 01:54:25,867
Speaker 2: Sydney FC tonight. They've got a brand new player as well.

2247
01:54:25,907 --> 01:54:29,427
Speaker 2: He won't play tonight. He's on his way from Scotland.

2248
01:54:29,427 --> 01:54:32,187
Speaker 2: He's a Norwegian attacker by the name of Santa Kutum.

2249
01:54:32,707 --> 01:54:34,267
Speaker 2: We'll hear from him when we come back.

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Speaker 1: The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend

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01:54:38,947 --> 01:54:42,787
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vyn and GJ. Gunner Homes New Zealand's

2252
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Speaker 1: most trusted oh Builder News talksby.

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01:54:45,467 --> 01:54:47,427
Speaker 2: Coming up sixteen to three. There's a new face of

2254
01:54:47,467 --> 01:54:51,467
Speaker 2: the Wellington Phoenix. Norwegian Sanda Kartoum will join the men's

2255
01:54:51,547 --> 01:54:54,027
Speaker 2: side for the rest of the A League football season.

2256
01:54:54,107 --> 01:54:57,427
Speaker 2: He's a thirty year old attacking midfielder and arrives on

2257
01:54:57,587 --> 01:55:00,827
Speaker 2: loan from Scottish Premier League side Hearts. He's going to

2258
01:55:00,867 --> 01:55:03,707
Speaker 2: join the Phoenix in Sydney tonight with a view to

2259
01:55:03,987 --> 01:55:07,707
Speaker 2: debuting for the side against Newcastle and Then, which is

2260
01:55:07,987 --> 01:55:11,347
Speaker 2: next Friday, I spoke to Santa Cartoon when the news

2261
01:55:11,427 --> 01:55:13,667
Speaker 2: was confirmed this week and asked how the move had

2262
01:55:13,907 --> 01:55:14,587
Speaker 2: come about.

2263
01:55:14,947 --> 01:55:18,387
Speaker 26: Yeah, the opinion came from an agent, and I think

2264
01:55:19,227 --> 01:55:23,787
Speaker 26: the club and the coach has talked to a previous

2265
01:55:24,587 --> 01:55:31,267
Speaker 26: player at the Wellington coming and then yeah, because of

2266
01:55:31,307 --> 01:55:36,587
Speaker 26: the everything was close and was talking to my agent

2267
01:55:36,987 --> 01:55:40,427
Speaker 26: that there was discussing with Hearts how to sort it

2268
01:55:41,747 --> 01:55:45,147
Speaker 26: with the loan, and then I think they were closed

2269
01:55:45,147 --> 01:55:48,907
Speaker 26: in the end and then finally a breakthrough. So really

2270
01:55:48,907 --> 01:55:51,587
Speaker 26: exciting to join the Wellington Phenis and come over.

2271
01:55:51,747 --> 01:55:55,507
Speaker 2: Actually, tell us about the conversations you had with with Cammy.

2272
01:55:56,187 --> 01:56:00,187
Speaker 2: We remember him fondly here. He was very popular with

2273
01:56:00,267 --> 01:56:03,387
Speaker 2: the fans with his teammates. What did Cammy Devlon tell

2274
01:56:03,387 --> 01:56:04,947
Speaker 2: you about Wellington Phoenix.

2275
01:56:06,507 --> 01:56:10,347
Speaker 26: There was a good club and the series really good

2276
01:56:10,827 --> 01:56:14,507
Speaker 26: and you're gonna love it, love it there so and

2277
01:56:14,987 --> 01:56:18,667
Speaker 26: he said the titled play and the league is gonna

2278
01:56:18,747 --> 01:56:21,507
Speaker 26: suit me. So I was really tempting.

2279
01:56:22,067 --> 01:56:25,347
Speaker 2: And what about the conversations with with Chiefy Jianklover Taliana,

2280
01:56:25,467 --> 01:56:28,187
Speaker 2: the head coach. Have you have you spoken with him

2281
01:56:28,227 --> 01:56:30,667
Speaker 2: about the role he he would like you to play

2282
01:56:30,707 --> 01:56:32,347
Speaker 2: and how you will fit into his system.

2283
01:56:33,427 --> 01:56:36,267
Speaker 26: Yeah, I was spoken a little bit one conversation when

2284
01:56:36,667 --> 01:56:40,387
Speaker 26: everything was sorted how he wanted me to play and

2285
01:56:41,467 --> 01:56:45,587
Speaker 26: looks because he haven't seen me back in Norway, and

2286
01:56:47,147 --> 01:56:52,107
Speaker 26: just to come over play my style of football and

2287
01:56:52,227 --> 01:56:55,027
Speaker 26: Phoenix likes to press high and have a high light

2288
01:56:55,107 --> 01:56:57,707
Speaker 26: and that suits me really good because I'm used to

2289
01:56:57,707 --> 01:57:01,827
Speaker 26: that in back in Norway actually, and just come over

2290
01:57:01,867 --> 01:57:05,067
Speaker 26: and just enjoy playing football again because I haven't played

2291
01:57:05,667 --> 01:57:08,987
Speaker 26: so many games this season, so just come over and

2292
01:57:08,987 --> 01:57:11,507
Speaker 26: get game time and enjoy myself.

2293
01:57:11,947 --> 01:57:13,907
Speaker 2: Well, tell us about the type of player that you are.

2294
01:57:14,507 --> 01:57:17,867
Speaker 2: What can fans expect when you when you wear that

2295
01:57:17,947 --> 01:57:21,107
Speaker 2: number sixteen for Wellington hopefully in the very near future.

2296
01:57:22,387 --> 01:57:26,347
Speaker 26: Yeah, I'm I'm a midfielder more maybe more attacking midfielder

2297
01:57:26,347 --> 01:57:30,107
Speaker 26: than defensive. But previously I've played more box to box

2298
01:57:30,187 --> 01:57:35,347
Speaker 26: midfielder in a typical fortuit tree. But I like to

2299
01:57:35,707 --> 01:57:40,547
Speaker 26: like to attack and see myself like a creative midfielder,

2300
01:57:41,387 --> 01:57:44,987
Speaker 26: quite aggressive like you, press high and if I can

2301
01:57:45,347 --> 01:57:48,347
Speaker 26: get some goals or assist that will be good as well.

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01:57:49,587 --> 01:57:52,067
Speaker 2: And as you mentioned, game time has been a bit

2303
01:57:52,427 --> 01:57:55,187
Speaker 2: bit rare for you, but you obviously have been training

2304
01:57:55,547 --> 01:57:57,587
Speaker 2: day in day out are you but do you feel

2305
01:57:57,587 --> 01:58:00,507
Speaker 2: like your match foot? For example, when you land there's

2306
01:58:00,507 --> 01:58:03,227
Speaker 2: a game I think five days later, could you potentially

2307
01:58:03,267 --> 01:58:05,587
Speaker 2: play a part and in that game? Are you your

2308
01:58:05,667 --> 01:58:08,787
Speaker 2: match foot? Yeah muchbitch.

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01:58:09,947 --> 01:58:13,667
Speaker 26: Not played so many games this season, but train like

2310
01:58:13,747 --> 01:58:17,427
Speaker 26: every session and played some bounds schemes as well. But

2311
01:58:18,547 --> 01:58:21,907
Speaker 26: hopefully get rid of the jet lag and long flight

2312
01:58:21,987 --> 01:58:25,547
Speaker 26: over so I can hopefully be a part of the

2313
01:58:25,547 --> 01:58:26,387
Speaker 26: game on Friday.

2314
01:58:26,507 --> 01:58:30,547
Speaker 2: That is Santa Cartoum brand new Phoenix player out of Norway,

2315
01:58:30,667 --> 01:58:32,627
Speaker 2: so looking forward to seeing how he goes when the

2316
01:58:32,627 --> 01:58:36,107
Speaker 2: Phoenix playing Newcastle Others coming Friday tonight though they're back

2317
01:58:36,107 --> 01:58:39,507
Speaker 2: in action. They meet second place Sydney FC in Sydney

2318
01:58:39,547 --> 01:58:42,107
Speaker 2: tough game. The next came back from two nil down

2319
01:58:42,147 --> 01:58:45,387
Speaker 2: to draw two to two with Adelaide last weekend. Now,

2320
01:58:45,467 --> 01:58:48,467
Speaker 2: part of that was a change in defensive formation at

2321
01:58:48,467 --> 01:58:51,587
Speaker 2: halftime from a back five to a back four to

2322
01:58:51,667 --> 01:58:55,307
Speaker 2: allow more attacking bodies further forward. I spoke to Phoenix

2323
01:58:55,347 --> 01:58:58,307
Speaker 2: coach at Jihn Caloertaliana on Thursday and asked if that

2324
01:58:58,427 --> 01:59:01,267
Speaker 2: was something he would consider doing from the start playing

2325
01:59:01,267 --> 01:59:04,067
Speaker 2: with a back four against Sydney FC tonight.

2326
01:59:04,907 --> 01:59:10,387
Speaker 27: I think now that we've had significant time playing between.

2327
01:59:12,667 --> 01:59:13,707
Speaker 11: The back five.

2328
01:59:14,947 --> 01:59:17,747
Speaker 27: And back four. I know a lot's been said about

2329
01:59:17,747 --> 01:59:20,067
Speaker 27: the back five, but to be fair, we've only played

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Speaker 27: thirty percent of our games in a back five, so

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Speaker 27: we're actually quite flexible now, and I think where I'm

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Speaker 27: going to steer the team in for the next maybe

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Speaker 27: five to six games is go back to a more

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Speaker 27: tactical focus on opposition, something that I used to do

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Speaker 27: in the first year quite well. There was also the

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Speaker 27: responsiveness of the players. It's a little bit different when

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Speaker 27: you have a newer group because also younger, younger group

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Speaker 27: and new senior players, it becomes a little bit harder

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Speaker 27: to understand their threshold. But I think now I'm quite

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Speaker 27: comfortable where they're at. So tossing between a you know,

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Speaker 27: four four two four three three three four three five

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Speaker 27: three two sometimes a four two two two, you know,

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Speaker 27: it's it's easier, and I think it kind of gives

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Speaker 27: the advantage in the last couple of games, So I'm

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Speaker 27: just going to pursue down that path.

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Speaker 2: Stats only tell some of the alread I know, but

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Speaker 2: you're the league's second highest goal scorers and the league's

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Speaker 2: second highest goal conceders. Is the fact that you're scoring

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Speaker 2: goals and creating chances to score goals. Is that a

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Speaker 2: very encouraging step for you.

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Speaker 27: If you look at the recruitment of the team from

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Speaker 27: last season as zenkostlor straight swap, you know, Carlo's come

2353
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Speaker 27: in more of a wing back position, but pretty much

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Speaker 27: as the same team right and last year one of

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Speaker 27: the biggest critiques we had were scoring goals and making opportunities,

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Speaker 27: and that's been my focus all through the preseason. Pressing

2357
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Speaker 27: high makes it easier to do that, but then a

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Speaker 27: whole new set of problems comes with that, is learning

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Speaker 27: how to recover longer periods of transition and recovering back

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Speaker 27: to goal. Instead of like playing from a low block

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Speaker 27: where you're defending a ten to twenty meter space, now

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Speaker 27: you're defending fifty to sixty meter recoveries, which is also

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Speaker 27: harder for the opposition, but it's also to do it

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Speaker 27: repeated in the game is actually quite taxing. So we're

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Speaker 27: sorting out the the things that work the things that

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Speaker 27: don't work. For a large part, been really.

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Speaker 6: Happy with the progress.

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Speaker 27: I think we've been punished sometimes in two games, especially

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Speaker 27: I think Newcastle where we had I think a ten

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Speaker 27: minute lapse where we just basically get any pressure on

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Speaker 27: the ball. We got punished three times, and Melbourne victory was.

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Speaker 3: More of a structural.

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Speaker 27: Issue in terms of like just getting pressure on the

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02:01:35,867 --> 02:01:40,027
Speaker 27: ball lower on the pitch. But again, the fact that

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Speaker 27: we're seconding goals is very encouraging. If we can tighten

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Speaker 27: up a little bit more at the bag, then we

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Speaker 27: can start building on consistent results.

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Speaker 2: How do you think you match up against the NEFC.

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Speaker 27: I think we'll match up quite well. To be fair,

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Speaker 27: we played them in a preseason friendly. We lost last minute,

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Speaker 27: even though they didn't have all their players. I thought

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Speaker 27: stylistically both teams that we kind of matched up quite well.

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Speaker 27: They're really good defensively, probably if not the best team defensively,

2384
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Speaker 27: like hard to break down. The way they defend the

2385
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Speaker 27: box is quite good, quite effective. It's got some really

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Speaker 27: good players. Big fan of their midfield, big fan of

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02:02:18,187 --> 02:02:21,227
Speaker 27: the boy up top. Even without Lolli now they're still effective,

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Speaker 27: even like young guys like Quintal.

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Speaker 6: You know good.

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Speaker 27: Players, so they'll punish you if you give them the opportunity,

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Speaker 27: and so for us we need to be focused for

2392
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Speaker 27: the ninety minutes making sure that we stick to the

2393
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Speaker 27: game plan, you know, respect them and again it's going

2394
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Speaker 27: to be hard for us to break break them down,

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Speaker 27: but I have the belief that we can and we

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Speaker 27: can do it a couple of times and you know

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Speaker 27: that will get us a result.

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Speaker 2: That is John Calotelliano, head coach at the Wellington Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: Mean they take on Sydney FC tonight in Sydney from

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Speaker 2: seven New Zealand Time eight to three New Stalks.

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Speaker 1: IB analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World.

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Pine they call eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: Bang on five to three. That's us for a weekend

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Speaker 2: sport for today and for this weekend as well at

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Speaker 2: Tim Beverage on your radio after three o'clock with the

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Speaker 2: Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective. Huge things to Ana McDonald,

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Speaker 2: massive shift from you mate. With the phones ringing off

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Speaker 2: the hook across the duration of both shows, enjoy a

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Speaker 2: couple of hours of relaxation. Thank you for tuning in,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for contributing. Our apologies again for not being

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Speaker 2: able to get all of your contributions on the air.

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Speaker 2: We did our best, but it has been a massive weekend.

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Speaker 2: I met Scott Robertson for the first time when he

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Speaker 2: became All Blacks coach in twenty twenty four. He spent

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Speaker 2: an hour on hour answering your questions, taking calls before

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Speaker 2: his first test in charge, and he did that again

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Speaker 2: last year. He was friendly, he was personable, he was funny,

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Speaker 2: he was accommodating. He was a good man. He is

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Speaker 2: a good man. It's easy to see why he's become

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Speaker 2: such a good coach, and that is what we need

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Speaker 2: to remember. Scott Robertson hasn't suddenly become a bad coach.

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Speaker 2: This just wasn't the right role for him. Not everything

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Speaker 2: you try on is going to fit. Look forward to

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Speaker 2: seeing where he pops up next. Raise a light taking

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Speaker 2: us out today.

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