1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Afternoon. Now there is worry about the fact that the 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: cops are going to stop attending some mental health callouts 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: next week, but no one knows exactly how this is 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: going to work. So from Monday police will not attend 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: what they call low risk callouts where there's no immediate 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: risk life and safety. Health New Zealand is expected to 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: pick up the work, but leaked documents show that only 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: interim standard operating procedures have been developed. Helen Garrick is 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: the Mental Health Section chair of the New Zealand Nurses Organization. Hey, Helen, Hi, Heather, Helen, 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: what's Health New Zealand's plan? Who's going to go to 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: the low risk callouts if the cops aren't going? 12 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: Well? The plan is still in its I would say, infancy. 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: There's still some work going back and forth between the 14 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: unions and Tafara war Are representatives. We anticipate that this 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: work will fall within the mental health services and in 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: particular the crisis teams in the Mental health services. The 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: problem is we don't yet have a sufficient workforce to 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 2: be able to manage the increase in workload. 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but so do you I mean, do you guys 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: actually know how this works? So let's say Monday, there's 21 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: a call that comes in says somebody's having a mental 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: health crisis. Normally the cops would go out. Now the 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: cops aren't going out. What do you do? 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: Well. What I'd like to make clear, because I think 25 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: it hasn't been clear in some of the narratives, is 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: that we do not now expect police to go out 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: to people who are low risk or who are consenting 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: for treatment and can get themselves to mental health services 29 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: or perhaps their families can get them there. That is 30 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: not a police role and so that isn't changing at all. 31 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: What we're looking at is the risk situations where the 32 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: person is in such mental distress they're unable to get 33 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: themselves into mental health service or perhaps their family is 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: not able to get them in. And so we need 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: to be clear these are risk situations that we're talking about. 36 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: We're not talking about the police being a taxi service. 37 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: What's going to happen, So the cops are going to 38 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: sit with the person in emergency departments for up to 39 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: an hour. What happens after that they. 40 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: Will be handing over the person to the emergency department, 41 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: and the nurses in the emergency department will attempt to 42 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: get the Christ's Team there as soon as possible. This 43 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: is part of the problem. We haven't set up significant 44 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: services to be able to address this quickly, and so 45 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: the person is likely to remain in ED because crisis 46 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: teams start are out doing work in the community. There 47 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: hasn't been a build up of the mental health workforce 48 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: to be able to take care in the s extra workload. 49 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: So you literally may not have enough people to actually 50 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: come and sit with this person until that scene. 51 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 2: No, we don't have enough people. As that person sits there, 52 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: I can assure you Christ's ten staff will be in 53 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 2: the community working with people in their homes, attempting to 54 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: persuade in some occasions people to come in for treatment. 55 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: They will be working fully in the community. They will 56 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: come into ED when they can to see people, but 57 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: there is no workforce out there to pick up the 58 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: sextra work. 59 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: Helen, thanks very much, really appreciate your time. Helen Garrick 60 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: ends it in no Mental Health section. 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