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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: It was announced yesterday morning that Football Ferns coach Yitka

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Speaker 2: into her six year contract. That brings to an end

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Speaker 2: of fairly curious period. Yit Ka Klumkova took a temporary

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Speaker 2: leave of absence for the team's two matches against Japan

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Speaker 2: in late May and early June while an investigation was

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Speaker 2: concluded in relation to an employment matter. That announcement was

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Speaker 2: made just days before the first of those two games.

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Speaker 2: Assistant Michael Mayne took interim charge. On the eighth of June,

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Speaker 2: it was announced that investigation had concluded and yet Ka

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Speaker 2: Klumkova would return as head coach with immediate effect. But

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Speaker 2: in late June it was announced the Football Ferns would

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Speaker 2: go to the Paris Olympics without her after she opted

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Speaker 2: to stand down for the tournament. New Zealand Football said

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Speaker 2: in a statement at that time that it was due

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Speaker 2: to concerns in relation to the team vironment. Yetka clumcove

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Speaker 2: is well being and a restorative process having not been completed,

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Speaker 2: so it would not be the right time for her

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Speaker 2: to return. Michael Maine was again handed the reins for

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Speaker 2: the Paris Olympics, and then yesterday the news that Yitka

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Speaker 2: Climkova has stood down permanently from the role as Football

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Speaker 2: Fern's head coach. New Zealand Football CEO Andrew Pragnell is

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Speaker 2: with us. Andrew, thanks for taking the time this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: What has happened here.

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Speaker 3: Good at Tony and thanks for having me. Look, Ultimately,

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Speaker 3: Yika has chosen to resign. So that's after three years

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Speaker 3: at the helm. I mean, there's been obviously a bit

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Speaker 3: when we step back from that and we kind of

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Speaker 3: look at her tenure, there's been some incredible success along

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Speaker 2: To what were the reasons for her deciding to stand down?

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, I mean, I think that's for her to speak

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Speaker 3: to in terms of you know, I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: never achieved before. She's transitioned the team in a way

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Speaker 3: that we hadn't seen her the part of ten years,

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Speaker 3: and she fills her times up. Hey, she know, Andrew, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I said this is a good one. I'm glad you

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Speaker 3: asked that because I think there's obviously different views on that.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a couple of things that we need

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Speaker 3: to do when we look at us tenure, as you

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Speaker 3: should do with every coach, and the first thing is

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Speaker 3: have a look in the review mirror and take a

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Speaker 3: few steps back, because for more than thirty years we've

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Speaker 3: been trying to get a win at a Woman's World Cup.

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Speaker 3: The reality is she made a breakthrough that we haven't

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Speaker 3: been able to make as her leadership. That did it.

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Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of commentary on her win

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Speaker 3: loss record. It's pretty consistent with previous coaches. I think that.

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Speaker 3: I also think there's a little bit of I think

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Speaker 3: she chose to you know, she chose to play top

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Speaker 3: And you know that impacted the win loss record ultimately,

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Speaker 3: but it did get us to a place we haven't

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Speaker 3: been before. I think when we look back, we'll look

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Speaker 3: It's all very well to win the first game changed

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Speaker 3: the course of the woman's will cut, but there's no

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Speaker 3: often your resultant feelings are based on your last game.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's one thing that I don't think we

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Speaker 3: at the ferns over the last ten years, I think

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Speaker 3: we'd be right to acknowledge there hasn't been any true

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Speaker 3: We haven't had a professional pathway up till recently. It's

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Speaker 3: Let players accumulated literally hundreds of gaps. I don't think

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Speaker 3: introduced ten new players to Woman's will cup certainly a

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Speaker 3: bigger transition than any coach in the history of the

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Speaker 2: Did you try to convince her to stay?

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Speaker 3: It's a great question as well. Look, I think that ultimately,

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, she's been here. For those

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Speaker 3: an out and out. I feel like she'd given everything

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Speaker 3: it may not seem like it at times as well,

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Speaker 3: but that transition should not be understated.

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Speaker 2: Was this player driven?

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. I think I always say we

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Speaker 3: twenty three people there's twenty three different views. I would

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Speaker 3: We've still got transitions happening. There's wide public sentiment on

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Speaker 3: I think I think it'll be fair to say there's

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Speaker 3: that's always complex. Was a player driven players have an

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Speaker 3: impact in this without doubt?

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Speaker 2: Another way of asking it, I guess what's their discontent

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Speaker 2: among large parts of the playing group with yeah, Kirklumkover

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Speaker 3: I think that there were challenges around communication style. I

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Speaker 2: Just on the circumstances around the investigation into into an

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Speaker 2: can't tell me what it was temporary leave of absence.

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Speaker 2: She didn't take the team to Spain to play Japan

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Speaker 2: Was it your intent that she would take the Ferns

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Speaker 3: Point, yes, it was, yeah, so I think, and I'll

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Speaker 3: and was rights to confidentiality. But yes, we did an

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Speaker 3: We were closely with the players Association and felt that

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I still felt there

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Speaker 3: So you know, that's how it played out. And you know,

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Speaker 2: So it's just that. So she came back at the

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I think when we kind of tested the water,

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Speaker 2: In, and so here we are now. So were you

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I think believe it or not. Relatively kind

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Speaker 3: But ultimately, you know, we're at a pretty exciting period

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Speaker 2: The release also said yet Ker will remain working for

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Speaker 3: Three or four big things. I think first and foremost,

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Speaker 3: This week alone, we've had four international teams playing traveling

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Speaker 3: So she was in Columbia supporting our under twenties. We're

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Speaker 3: And what I'm not keen to do is throw the

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Speaker 3: We've actually got some really good institutional knowledge in Yeka,

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Speaker 2: But it won't be on the grass coaching as such,

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Speaker 2: Was it a mistake to offer her a six year contract.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think there's a little bit

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Speaker 2: But were there performance triggers in it?

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Speaker 2: Would it be fair to say that you won't offer

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Speaker 2: Do you think that'll make it a less attractive proposition

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Speaker 3: they're often finding a miss matcher or a miss cultural fit.

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Speaker 2: Is that what happened with Yaka shiny Cev but didn't

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Speaker 3: Worll Cup, and ultimately that will be what we judge

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Speaker 2: So just to finish, what is your timeline and process

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Speaker 3: I think immediately we've made a decision not to play

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Speaker 3: the October window. We're weighing up November. But ultimately it's

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Speaker 3: got a brilliant plan for the All Whites that the team,

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Speaker 3: looking forward to seeing seeing that paced dividends. So we'll

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Speaker 3: planning and learning the lessons of the last three and

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Speaker 3: four years as a focus.

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Speaker 2: Andrew appreciate your time and you're and your honesty really though,

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Speaker 2: thanks thanks for taking air.

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Speaker 3: Call Jess Bidy and watch those footsool wite tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I definitely will be done to worry about that. Andrew Pregnant,

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Speaker 2: CEO of New Zealand Football.

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