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Speaker 2: League Podcast, Poet Played, News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: This week on The Big League Podcast, Lewis Brown reflects

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Speaker 3: on the career of former teammate Sean Johnson, predicts what

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Speaker 3: he'll do next, and theorizes what the Warriors will.

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Speaker 2: Look like without him.

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Speaker 3: Alex Powell and I will give a post mortem on

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Speaker 3: the Warriors now extinguished top eight hopes after a golden

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Speaker 3: point loss to the Dolphins. Why have they consistently fallen

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Speaker 3: just short? In twenty twenty four? My name is Nathan Limb.

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Speaker 3: Let's go b l B. Shawn Johnson's retirement marks both

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Speaker 3: the end of an era and the start of a

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Speaker 3: new dawn at Mount Smart. The veteran halfback is probably

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Speaker 3: the third best Warrior of all time, behind Stacy Jones

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Speaker 3: and Simon Mannering. His best season was probably last year,

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Speaker 3: when he went to within a whisker of being the

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Speaker 3: dally M Player of the Year, and yet throughout his career,

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Speaker 3: Johnson has been one of the most polarizing players at

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Speaker 3: My absent co host Michael Burgess described it best when

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Speaker 3: he said, Johnson probably gets too much of the credit

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Speaker 3: much of the blame when they perform poorly. But that

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Speaker 3: just goes to show how influential Johnson is. His retirements

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Speaker 3: the right time. Johnson ruled out of the Dolphins game

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Speaker 3: late with another injury, but with Luke Metcalf to Mighty Martin, Chanelle,

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Speaker 3: Zealand Herald, Right up, what does the club's future without

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess we've had enough of a look

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Speaker 4: this season of what it looks like. The Warriors without

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Speaker 4: Sean Johnson have looked fine. To Mighty Martin and Harris

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Speaker 4: what role he's going to play next season, but all

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Speaker 4: wouldn't worry too much about what the future looks like.

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Speaker 4: It's just about saying goodbye to like you said, one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the combination with Tomato Martins

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Speaker 3: But the thing for me that I suppose the Warriors

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Speaker 3: this year, well we the Warriors have been in that

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Speaker 4: I think every team needs that that guy you go to,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been it's been pretty grim and we're going

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean quad strain is listed. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 3: does Johnson list in all time for Warriors players for you,

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Speaker 3: Alex Powerker, I had had him, as I mentioned to

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Speaker 4: I think those two are locked in as one and two,

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Speaker 2: Why has he been so polarizing?

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Speaker 4: I think every club wants that player. You want the

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's as many clubs who are dependent

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Speaker 3: He is, without a doubt, one of the most dominant

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Speaker 4: When I spoke about that point, I don't think that's

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Speaker 3: We're going to examine the Dolphins game shortly, but up

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Speaker 3: next the thoughts and predictions of Johnson's a former teammate,

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Speaker 3: the man who scored the winning try in the twenty

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Speaker 3: We now joined on The Big League Podcast by a

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Speaker 3: former Warrior NRL Grand finalist, Lewis Brown. Louis, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: How are you good, mate?

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Speaker 5: Not so bad? How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm well, thank you and obviously we're still I guess

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Speaker 3: tests for the QII, so many memories. You obviously played

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Speaker 5: Shawnee obviously played with the Keys with him as well,

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Speaker 5: those accolades speak volumes about himself, but you know what

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Speaker 1: This is the Big League podcast. This is our the

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Speaker 3: So the Warriors going down to the Dolphins and Golden Point,

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Speaker 3: that the Warriors showed, and the biggest thing that stood

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Speaker 3: out to me was well, I actually felt really proud.

434
00:20:48,893 --> 00:20:50,973
Speaker 3: That was just a good, hard game and the Warriors

435
00:20:51,013 --> 00:20:54,773
Speaker 3: finished second best because they couldn't quite ice their opportunities,

436
00:20:54,853 --> 00:20:57,653
Speaker 3: which has been the story of their season. But you

437
00:20:57,733 --> 00:21:00,213
Speaker 3: could see that the players were trying the hardest. They

438
00:21:00,293 --> 00:21:02,733
Speaker 3: didn't have one foot on the plane. As we've seen

439
00:21:02,813 --> 00:21:05,373
Speaker 3: Warriors and seasons gone by, they get to this point

440
00:21:05,373 --> 00:21:07,493
Speaker 3: of the season and they stopped trying. They weren't thinking

441
00:21:07,533 --> 00:21:09,573
Speaker 3: about the off season. They were fired up and wanted

442
00:21:09,653 --> 00:21:11,733
Speaker 3: to win. And you can't ask for more than that.

443
00:21:12,053 --> 00:21:15,733
Speaker 4: No, that's a very good point. We have seen Warriors

444
00:21:15,813 --> 00:21:17,653
Speaker 4: teams in the past at this at this point of

445
00:21:17,693 --> 00:21:20,013
Speaker 4: the year just fall away, and they didn't do that.

446
00:21:20,933 --> 00:21:23,693
Speaker 4: Like you said, disappointing to come that close. There's been

447
00:21:23,813 --> 00:21:26,453
Speaker 4: so many of those games this year where the Warriors

448
00:21:26,453 --> 00:21:28,773
Speaker 4: are just there for the whole time and just lose

449
00:21:28,813 --> 00:21:33,573
Speaker 4: it on one moment, you know. I mean, it sort

450
00:21:33,573 --> 00:21:35,653
Speaker 4: of sucks watching the Dolphins because they're all either X

451
00:21:35,693 --> 00:21:39,213
Speaker 4: Warriors or Kiwi's. It feels like, and you know, go,

452
00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:41,253
Speaker 4: why is he there not the Warriors?

453
00:21:41,493 --> 00:21:49,813
Speaker 3: Nikoima Shana Sullivan. It's grating, But I suppose the consistent

454
00:21:49,893 --> 00:21:51,853
Speaker 3: theme this year. If I just read you three stats

455
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Speaker 3: from the game, Warriors ten errors, four penalties, forty six

456
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Speaker 3: miss tackles.

457
00:21:57,093 --> 00:21:59,733
Speaker 4: Wow, I didn't know. The forty six miss tackles. That's yeah,

458
00:21:59,853 --> 00:22:02,013
Speaker 4: too many. That's twice as many as you want if

459
00:22:02,013 --> 00:22:04,173
Speaker 4: you want to sort of close out a game, isn't it.

460
00:22:04,573 --> 00:22:04,773
Speaker 5: Yeah.

461
00:22:04,813 --> 00:22:07,093
Speaker 3: And in all three of those areas the Dolphins had

462
00:22:07,453 --> 00:22:11,493
Speaker 3: head least. So the war is really they forough hard,

463
00:22:11,533 --> 00:22:12,653
Speaker 3: but they're doing it to themselves.

464
00:22:13,013 --> 00:22:14,933
Speaker 4: It feels like, you know, you can be guilty of

465
00:22:15,013 --> 00:22:17,053
Speaker 4: trying too hard, and it really does feel like that's

466
00:22:17,133 --> 00:22:18,213
Speaker 4: just been the Warriors year.

467
00:22:18,653 --> 00:22:21,493
Speaker 2: Coach Andrew Webster admits they had their chances, So.

468
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Speaker 7: I'm just really proud that they kept fighting and wanted

469
00:22:23,773 --> 00:22:25,293
Speaker 7: to get back in the game, and they give usselves

470
00:22:25,293 --> 00:22:26,933
Speaker 7: a chance to win and had time to look like

471
00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:28,253
Speaker 7: we were going to win. We were going to be

472
00:22:28,373 --> 00:22:30,133
Speaker 7: the team if we took a couple of moments and

473
00:22:30,173 --> 00:22:32,573
Speaker 7: would have been cool. But really frustrating for the boys

474
00:22:32,573 --> 00:22:34,733
Speaker 7: because they's put so much for their board in this week.

475
00:22:34,813 --> 00:22:38,133
Speaker 3: Two missed feed field goal attempts for the win from

476
00:22:38,293 --> 00:22:40,413
Speaker 3: Chanelle Harris to Veta. But I do feel for him

477
00:22:40,453 --> 00:22:43,413
Speaker 3: because it is hard. It are so difficult to kick

478
00:22:43,493 --> 00:22:47,253
Speaker 3: a field goal under pressure when you are exhausted. You've

479
00:22:47,253 --> 00:22:49,773
Speaker 3: already played a game, You've got players running at you,

480
00:22:49,853 --> 00:22:52,053
Speaker 3: and you've got a slot of field goal from thirty

481
00:22:52,133 --> 00:22:53,653
Speaker 3: five to forty meters out for the win.

482
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Speaker 2: That is so difficult.

483
00:22:55,093 --> 00:22:57,253
Speaker 4: It's an underrated scale being able to take field goals,

484
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Speaker 4: you know. Seann Johnson, like we were saying, has made

485
00:22:59,533 --> 00:23:02,573
Speaker 4: it almost look like it's an easy thing to attempt.

486
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Speaker 4: But it is difficult.

487
00:23:03,613 --> 00:23:03,853
Speaker 3: You know.

488
00:23:03,933 --> 00:23:06,013
Speaker 4: You think how many field goals you see that you know,

489
00:23:06,093 --> 00:23:08,053
Speaker 4: don't even hit. Look like a getty. We're close to

490
00:23:08,093 --> 00:23:10,253
Speaker 4: the time and that's sort of what she now said.

491
00:23:10,253 --> 00:23:13,253
Speaker 4: He's not a regular kicker off the tea or in

492
00:23:13,333 --> 00:23:14,813
Speaker 4: the drop goal situation like we saw.

493
00:23:15,333 --> 00:23:18,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought the Warriors attack, especially in

494
00:23:18,093 --> 00:23:20,573
Speaker 3: that second half, looked, you know, look good to Mindy

495
00:23:20,653 --> 00:23:23,293
Speaker 3: Martin linking up with Kirk Capewell little grubber through and

496
00:23:23,333 --> 00:23:25,773
Speaker 3: obviously scored it to try himself to Mardy Martin. So

497
00:23:25,853 --> 00:23:28,813
Speaker 3: I do think he is, you know, Luke Metcalf's there

498
00:23:28,853 --> 00:23:31,933
Speaker 3: as well. It's interesting actually thinking about next year, do

499
00:23:32,053 --> 00:23:34,013
Speaker 3: you go to Mardy Martin at half back Luke Mcalff

500
00:23:34,013 --> 00:23:34,533
Speaker 3: at five eighth?

501
00:23:34,613 --> 00:23:38,133
Speaker 4: Yeah, you do what because, like like we've said on

502
00:23:38,173 --> 00:23:40,773
Speaker 4: this podcast before, it feels like the ideal combination with

503
00:23:40,893 --> 00:23:43,053
Speaker 4: Andrew Webster's halves, as you want one that sits and

504
00:23:43,133 --> 00:23:45,973
Speaker 4: managers and one that will take the game on. So

505
00:23:46,213 --> 00:23:49,493
Speaker 4: Luke Metcalf and Sean Johnson. With that, Luke Luke Mtcalff runs,

506
00:23:49,533 --> 00:23:52,333
Speaker 4: Johnson sits, and if it's just a straight swap of

507
00:23:52,453 --> 00:23:54,773
Speaker 4: Martin for Johnson, then Metcalf still your guy to run.

508
00:23:55,213 --> 00:23:55,413
Speaker 5: Yeah.

509
00:23:55,573 --> 00:23:57,453
Speaker 3: I know Luke Metcalff wants to be the you know,

510
00:23:57,533 --> 00:24:00,933
Speaker 3: he is the half back for in future seasons and

511
00:24:01,093 --> 00:24:02,813
Speaker 3: I could see him being that interesting to see how

512
00:24:02,893 --> 00:24:05,773
Speaker 3: Jack Cleary comes in as well, could to Mighty Mattin

513
00:24:05,813 --> 00:24:08,173
Speaker 3: be sort of his mentor in that regard. But it's

514
00:24:08,333 --> 00:24:11,613
Speaker 3: really interesting situation for next year. But as I said,

515
00:24:12,373 --> 00:24:14,293
Speaker 3: the story of this season, so many times this year

516
00:24:14,413 --> 00:24:16,133
Speaker 3: they've let it slip. If you think all the way

517
00:24:16,173 --> 00:24:19,413
Speaker 3: back to the Melbourne Storm game in Round two when

518
00:24:19,533 --> 00:24:21,893
Speaker 3: all of our hopes were oh so high, they can

519
00:24:21,933 --> 00:24:24,533
Speaker 3: see the two tries in the last three minutes, and

520
00:24:24,653 --> 00:24:27,533
Speaker 3: that just ended up continuing throughout the year.

521
00:24:27,573 --> 00:24:29,253
Speaker 2: Webster sort of explains this fate.

522
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Speaker 7: If I'm being really honest, I feel like we've created

523
00:24:31,973 --> 00:24:34,733
Speaker 7: our own destiny this year. We haven't last moments. We've

524
00:24:34,773 --> 00:24:37,013
Speaker 7: been close, but I'm close to no good enough in

525
00:24:37,053 --> 00:24:39,853
Speaker 7: the NRL, and not one person's in there fieling sorry

526
00:24:39,893 --> 00:24:41,933
Speaker 7: for ourselves and saying that we deserve better.

527
00:24:42,733 --> 00:24:44,573
Speaker 4: You think back to, like you say, the Storm game,

528
00:24:44,613 --> 00:24:46,293
Speaker 4: but even the week before that against the Sharks in

529
00:24:46,413 --> 00:24:48,493
Speaker 4: round one when they came flying out of the blocks

530
00:24:48,533 --> 00:24:50,013
Speaker 4: and then just fell away in the second half. You

531
00:24:50,053 --> 00:24:52,893
Speaker 4: know this isn't a new thing. This has been happening

532
00:24:53,013 --> 00:24:53,973
Speaker 4: from the opening round.

533
00:24:55,453 --> 00:24:58,573
Speaker 2: So the Warriors playoff hopes are over right?

534
00:24:58,653 --> 00:25:02,693
Speaker 3: They are five points outside the eight with three games

535
00:25:02,733 --> 00:25:03,693
Speaker 3: to go, or are they?

536
00:25:04,133 --> 00:25:06,373
Speaker 7: Laders don't know who plays who and if teams are

537
00:25:06,413 --> 00:25:08,413
Speaker 7: going to win enough points to get in anyway we

538
00:25:08,493 --> 00:25:11,573
Speaker 7: can finish is on twenty nine, and mathematically they can.

539
00:25:11,493 --> 00:25:13,373
Speaker 2: Get us set. We'll never forgive ourselves if.

540
00:25:13,253 --> 00:25:15,293
Speaker 7: We weren't professional in the next three weeks and work

541
00:25:15,333 --> 00:25:16,693
Speaker 7: hard and give ourselves a chance.

542
00:25:16,813 --> 00:25:21,133
Speaker 2: But silly made it harder. Now, what is it over

543
00:25:21,253 --> 00:25:21,373
Speaker 2: or not?

544
00:25:22,413 --> 00:25:22,613
Speaker 5: Well?

545
00:25:23,653 --> 00:25:25,533
Speaker 4: I mean I hate doing this, but mathematically no.

546
00:25:25,693 --> 00:25:25,853
Speaker 1: Was it?

547
00:25:26,733 --> 00:25:26,893
Speaker 4: Well?

548
00:25:27,053 --> 00:25:30,213
Speaker 3: Yeah no, because don't the teams who are like around

549
00:25:30,253 --> 00:25:31,733
Speaker 3: the top eight, they play each other, don't they?

550
00:25:31,973 --> 00:25:35,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be one of these ones where

551
00:25:35,173 --> 00:25:36,613
Speaker 4: we just watched the table for the next few weeks,

552
00:25:36,653 --> 00:25:38,973
Speaker 4: isn't it. But I mean all the rhetoricas that it's over,

553
00:25:39,893 --> 00:25:40,413
Speaker 4: it's got to be.

554
00:25:40,733 --> 00:25:41,173
Speaker 2: It's over.

555
00:25:42,613 --> 00:25:44,653
Speaker 4: Last week he said we need four from four otherwise

556
00:25:44,653 --> 00:25:47,253
Speaker 4: we got no chance. And now it's all mathematically whistle and.

557
00:25:47,293 --> 00:25:50,293
Speaker 2: Now okay, I don't know, I'm caughe. Look, we can

558
00:25:50,373 --> 00:25:50,573
Speaker 2: do them.

559
00:25:50,693 --> 00:25:52,813
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure at this point it's over if they're

560
00:25:52,853 --> 00:25:53,893
Speaker 3: five points outside ninth.

561
00:25:54,493 --> 00:25:57,013
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, this is probably the most congest

562
00:25:57,053 --> 00:25:59,493
Speaker 4: that I've ever seen the NRL table, you know, but

563
00:26:01,333 --> 00:26:04,053
Speaker 4: even then, we're talking three from three and that doesn't

564
00:26:04,093 --> 00:26:05,173
Speaker 4: really feel doable.

565
00:26:06,333 --> 00:26:09,453
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so sad. But mainly see Eagles are up next.

566
00:26:09,573 --> 00:26:11,493
Speaker 3: Let's say they do get the win. The mainly have

567
00:26:11,573 --> 00:26:13,813
Speaker 3: won four of the last five. They're sitting six on

568
00:26:14,013 --> 00:26:16,853
Speaker 3: the table. I suppose a question at this point for

569
00:26:16,973 --> 00:26:19,253
Speaker 3: me in the season is what's motivating people to watch?

570
00:26:19,613 --> 00:26:21,653
Speaker 3: What is motivating people to watch? You know, the Warriors

571
00:26:21,693 --> 00:26:23,853
Speaker 3: go and play manly away. We know the Bulldogs game

572
00:26:23,853 --> 00:26:25,813
Speaker 3: has sold out, so hopefully people all come through, and

573
00:26:25,853 --> 00:26:28,373
Speaker 3: I'm sure they will. What's motivating people to watch this

574
00:26:28,453 --> 00:26:28,973
Speaker 3: Warriors team?

575
00:26:29,173 --> 00:26:31,733
Speaker 4: I think I mean we said this a couple of weeks,

576
00:26:31,773 --> 00:26:34,533
Speaker 4: didn't we that It's not you know, this isn't entertainment now,

577
00:26:34,653 --> 00:26:37,413
Speaker 4: this is support your club, you know, and that means

578
00:26:37,493 --> 00:26:40,493
Speaker 4: through good and bad. This is bad, stick with them.

579
00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:43,293
Speaker 2: It's loyalty. Yeah, it's loyal I'll be watching, of course,

580
00:26:43,413 --> 00:26:45,093
Speaker 2: but it is your job.

581
00:26:45,773 --> 00:26:48,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point, but I would watch anyway

582
00:26:48,053 --> 00:26:49,253
Speaker 3: out of out of loyalty.

583
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Speaker 1: The Big League Podcast on the Warriors Bad Wagons since

584
00:26:56,813 --> 00:27:02,853
Speaker 1: day one, The Big League Podcast for the biggest league fans.

585
00:27:04,173 --> 00:27:06,133
Speaker 3: Now Alex Powell, we've actually got a really good round

586
00:27:06,173 --> 00:27:08,853
Speaker 3: ahead of us of NRAL Action just incidentally, because I

587
00:27:08,933 --> 00:27:11,693
Speaker 3: feel like at this point, you know, you are watching

588
00:27:11,773 --> 00:27:13,613
Speaker 3: to see how the top eight shapes, and it's going

589
00:27:13,693 --> 00:27:16,093
Speaker 3: to be a great final series given how congested the

590
00:27:16,173 --> 00:27:18,773
Speaker 3: table is and how even a lot of these teams are.

591
00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:23,573
Speaker 3: And it starts off in brilliant fashion. Panthers versus the

592
00:27:23,733 --> 00:27:27,773
Speaker 3: Storm in Penrith. Can I get a prediction? Why you're

593
00:27:27,813 --> 00:27:30,493
Speaker 3: backing Storm? You're back in the Storm?

594
00:27:30,573 --> 00:27:33,733
Speaker 4: Yeah, this close to the finals. The Storm normally get

595
00:27:33,813 --> 00:27:36,293
Speaker 4: everything right, don't they, But so to Penrith they do.

596
00:27:36,533 --> 00:27:39,053
Speaker 4: But Penrith that we've seen this year are very different

597
00:27:39,093 --> 00:27:41,213
Speaker 4: to the ones that have won three year thro around

598
00:27:41,253 --> 00:27:45,053
Speaker 4: the bounce. You know, Storm are largely settled, whereas Penrith

599
00:27:45,093 --> 00:27:48,173
Speaker 4: it doesn't feel like they've had everything fire at once yet,

600
00:27:49,173 --> 00:27:51,333
Speaker 4: although they did did do very well against the Eels

601
00:27:51,373 --> 00:27:51,853
Speaker 4: to come back.

602
00:27:52,053 --> 00:27:54,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the three tries in the last seven

603
00:27:54,253 --> 00:27:56,213
Speaker 3: minutes to beat the Eels?

604
00:27:56,813 --> 00:27:58,293
Speaker 2: So you're going with a Storm, I am.

605
00:27:59,373 --> 00:28:01,693
Speaker 3: I'm going to back the Panthers to come right at

606
00:28:01,733 --> 00:28:04,413
Speaker 3: this point in the season upset the Storm in they're

607
00:28:04,453 --> 00:28:07,933
Speaker 3: winning run Sea Eagles versus the Warriors in Manly.

608
00:28:10,173 --> 00:28:12,853
Speaker 4: You know, and the Olympics and the polvar where you

609
00:28:12,893 --> 00:28:13,613
Speaker 4: can just skip one.

610
00:28:14,453 --> 00:28:15,933
Speaker 2: I want to do that, just pass it.

611
00:28:16,733 --> 00:28:19,573
Speaker 4: I look, I think probably the Seagals, isn't it.

612
00:28:21,133 --> 00:28:24,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll see. We will see on Sunday. But

613
00:28:24,173 --> 00:28:27,333
Speaker 3: I'm gonna agree with you there. Roosters versus the Eels,

614
00:28:27,813 --> 00:28:31,893
Speaker 3: races it was to surprise me against Penrith, but obviously

615
00:28:31,933 --> 00:28:32,893
Speaker 3: didn't quite get to win.

616
00:28:33,533 --> 00:28:36,333
Speaker 2: Bulldogs Dolphins Bulldogs.

617
00:28:36,973 --> 00:28:38,773
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I've tipped Bulldogs every time I've been

618
00:28:38,813 --> 00:28:39,053
Speaker 4: in here.

619
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Speaker 2: I'm going to agree with you on that. Although the Dolphins.

620
00:28:42,053 --> 00:28:44,733
Speaker 2: The Dolphins do look good based on that performance. That's

621
00:28:44,773 --> 00:28:45,773
Speaker 2: going to be a really good game.

622
00:28:45,813 --> 00:28:48,293
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, both teams vying for I guess the Bulldogs

623
00:28:48,293 --> 00:28:50,453
Speaker 3: are really pushing for that top four, Dolphins to remain

624
00:28:50,493 --> 00:28:54,213
Speaker 3: in the eight. Cowboys versus the Raiders, it's got Cowboys.

625
00:28:54,453 --> 00:28:56,653
Speaker 3: Both teams lost on the weekend, but Cowboys with the

626
00:28:56,773 --> 00:29:00,333
Speaker 3: most recent win. I'm going to go for the Raiders. Tigers, Bunnies,

627
00:29:01,373 --> 00:29:03,813
Speaker 3: Bunnies Bunnies, Dragons, Titans.

628
00:29:04,373 --> 00:29:05,173
Speaker 4: Let's got Dragons.

629
00:29:05,773 --> 00:29:09,573
Speaker 3: Dragons are level with the Dolphins. Dragons ninth, the Dolphins eighth.

630
00:29:09,853 --> 00:29:14,333
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the Dragons. Go with you your

631
00:29:14,333 --> 00:29:18,693
Speaker 3: result as well, Sharks Knights to finish round twenty four night.

632
00:29:19,093 --> 00:29:21,413
Speaker 3: So both of us last week predicted the Titans would

633
00:29:21,413 --> 00:29:23,573
Speaker 3: beat the Sharks, and the Sharks turn around and smack

634
00:29:23,653 --> 00:29:27,893
Speaker 3: the Titans forty four nil. You cannot predict anything and

635
00:29:27,973 --> 00:29:32,333
Speaker 3: that these I mean, I hate to, you know, pull

636
00:29:32,413 --> 00:29:36,653
Speaker 3: on my own podcast, but you cannot predict the season.

637
00:29:36,853 --> 00:29:40,573
Speaker 4: It's just been out the gate. Yeah, that's awesome. You know,

638
00:29:40,893 --> 00:29:43,733
Speaker 4: we talk about the Sporting Link zero watch how predictible

639
00:29:43,733 --> 00:29:45,213
Speaker 4: they are. This is just completely opposite.

640
00:29:45,373 --> 00:29:47,333
Speaker 2: You went with the Knights to you, I did.

641
00:29:48,413 --> 00:29:51,733
Speaker 3: I'll go with the Sharks, seeing as that performance was great,

642
00:29:51,733 --> 00:29:53,973
Speaker 3: but who knows they could get thresh. Thank you Alex

643
00:29:54,013 --> 00:29:56,253
Speaker 3: Powell for your time, your wisdom, your insight. This is

644
00:29:56,373 --> 00:29:58,733
Speaker 3: my last podcast of the season.

645
00:29:58,813 --> 00:29:59,413
Speaker 2: I'm going on a.

646
00:29:59,453 --> 00:30:02,933
Speaker 3: Little trip overseas to have a few beerbies and explore

647
00:30:03,133 --> 00:30:05,853
Speaker 3: the Europe, but I will be back next season. I'm

648
00:30:05,853 --> 00:30:09,973
Speaker 3: gonna leave you with the capable voice Nick Beauley, who

649
00:30:10,053 --> 00:30:12,573
Speaker 3: will take the reins from here. But thank you so

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