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Speaker 1: Is it redemption time for the All Blacks? They lost

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Speaker 1: against the spring Box in South Africa last week. They're

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Speaker 1: playing them again early Sunday morning. Scott Robertson has made

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Speaker 1: some changes to the squad, you could say, including adding

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Speaker 1: the youngest All Black in this year's squad to the

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Speaker 1: starting line up, twenty one year old Wallace a Titi.

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Speaker 1: This will be his second test for the All Blacks.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Partz a former Springbok and rugby commentator. He's with

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Speaker 1: us this morning. Get a Kevin, Good morning, Ryan, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show again. Tell me

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Speaker 1: is this a bold, brave mood move from Razor?

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Speaker 2: I think it is, but it's also necessary. They had

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Speaker 2: no impact from the bench last week. I guess they

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Speaker 2: had the option of starting with the same fifteen. But

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Speaker 2: what they've done is they've bought in the person. They

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Speaker 2: probably looked for a bit of impact on the bench

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Speaker 2: and they've said, well, here you go, young man, have

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Speaker 2: a go, and they put them wrong right from the start.

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Speaker 1: Some people are saying this is the start of the

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Speaker 1: real start of the Robertson era where he's setting us

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Speaker 1: up for the next World Cup.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, he's sort of, he's got to play

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Speaker 2: that hand. Now South Africa have sort of won the

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Speaker 2: Four Nations competition, now's that opportunity where put away the result.

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Speaker 2: Now he's got to start shaping and get some real

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Speaker 2: value out of this. The good news is he doesn't

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Speaker 2: just need to try and win games to please the public.

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Speaker 2: He now needs to shape a team that's going to

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Speaker 2: be good for the future. And you see a young Rasima,

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Speaker 2: you see the tit on the blindside, and people are

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Speaker 2: joking that it might be the bomb disposal units with

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Speaker 2: the likes of Barrett. It's coming from the bench as well,

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Speaker 2: who's an outstanding finisher in any game he's played previously.

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Speaker 1: What about the veterans, if you can call them that

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Speaker 1: of the squad, what is the message to them.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got to be honest. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: good message. He's shown you loyalty to have brought back

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Speaker 2: a guy like Caine and kept them in the squad.

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Speaker 2: I thought we were very good last week. That is

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Speaker 2: a very tough place to go and win. We found

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Speaker 2: that about you can't win. But he's also very short

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Speaker 2: of personnel and that, by the way, that's a New

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Speaker 2: Zealand problem. That's not a Scott Robinson problem. Very short

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Speaker 2: of personnel, and what he's done is he's kept the

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Speaker 2: nucleus of it but said, right, we've got to just

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Speaker 2: shape this up for the future a little bit and

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Speaker 2: there's a few changes.

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Speaker 1: Kevin, thank you very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Go the ABS come Sunday morning. That's Kevin part form

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