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Speaker 1: Here we go. Who doesn't want to be a teacher.

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Speaker 1: We've got a thirty percent jumping enrollments three and a

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Speaker 1: half thousand, five hundred and twenty five students this year

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Speaker 1: compeed to twenty seven hundred and fifteen last year. Primary

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Speaker 1: is up thirty one, secondaries twenty eight. EC's up twenty four.

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Speaker 1: John O'Neil's professor of Teaching Education at Mesa University and

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Speaker 1: as well as John Morning Morning Mike on these golden days.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's certainly a turnaround, isn't it. So that's good news.

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Speaker 2: And the challenge, I suppose is to find out what

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Speaker 2: are the causes? Why is it happening?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to cause, have you got any ideas what suddenly?

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Speaker 1: It can't just be Erica Stanford and putting walls up

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Speaker 1: in the classroom Kenneth.

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Speaker 2: No, of course it can't. It's it's partly cyclical. So

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Speaker 2: every time there's a recession or an economic downturn, numbers

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Speaker 2: in it and other training programs tend to go up.

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Speaker 2: So that's part of it. The challenge for government is

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Speaker 2: really that we're in the middle of a sort of

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Speaker 2: ten year growth cycle in school role. So Ministry's Forecasting

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Speaker 2: says that by twenty thirty, an extra one hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: students in school, So even though the numbers are up,

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Speaker 2: they need to be there's an ongoing challenge to keep

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Speaker 2: them in the system, and we've also got an aging

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Speaker 2: teacher workforce. The subsidy for school based placement is certainly helping,

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Speaker 2: but it's a tiny fraction. So twenty thousand subsidy get

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Speaker 2: people into the classroom early on, have school based teacher training.

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Speaker 2: That seems to be a real incentive for people to

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Speaker 2: take part and for schools to host students, but it's

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Speaker 2: a tiny fraction of the overall numbers, so money could

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Speaker 2: be an issue going forward. So as the other.

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Speaker 1: Interests, well, does the split interest you thirty one, twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: twenty four it's reasonably even across the sector.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing I was surprised about was early childhood

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Speaker 2: numbers up to the extent that they are, particularly in

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Speaker 2: light of changes made by Minister Seymour in terms of

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Speaker 2: starting salaries and deregulation and changing the ratio. So we

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Speaker 2: know we've already got a challenge in getting people in

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Speaker 2: early childhood education, so it was a real surprise for

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Speaker 2: me to see those numbers holding up in the same

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Speaker 2: way that primary and secondary were very encouraging.

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Speaker 1: John, appreciate your insight, Professor of Teaching Education at MESSI.

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