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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: You stalk zed b.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show Twist in the

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Speaker 3: Polkinghorn Trilay. His case has opened today. His first witness

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Speaker 3: in his defense is her sister. So we're going to

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Speaker 3: go to the reporter who's been covering that Hoe takes

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Speaker 3: over as Marty King or even queen now that King

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Speaker 3: Ta Hatesia has died. Will get you across that. Tim Brown,

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Speaker 3: the former All White and All Birds founder, on buying

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Speaker 3: into the Auckland FC franchise, and Jody O'donald TV and

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Speaker 3: z's boss on the massive loss they've just posted.

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Speaker 2: Heather duplessy Ellen, Yeah, it looks.

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Speaker 3: Like the trouble is not nearly close to being over

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Speaker 3: for TV and Z. The news out today is that

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Speaker 3: they've made the loss that we were expecting about twenty

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Speaker 3: nine million bucks, and it is not ending there. They

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Speaker 3: now have to find another thirty million dollars worth of

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Speaker 3: savings to make another thirty million, which basically what they've

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Speaker 3: just done, and they need to do that fast. So

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Speaker 3: I would say brace yourself, because it's almost certain shows

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Speaker 3: are going to be cut again and staff are going

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Speaker 3: to be fired again. Already, the rumors are that Breakfast

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Speaker 3: is in the boss's sites. And the reason that everybody's

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Speaker 3: worried about Breakfast is because the contracts for that show

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Speaker 3: run out in December. And TVNZ has pretty much made

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Speaker 3: this rumor worse because they've put up an advert looking

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Speaker 3: for a foreign producer for Breakfast, and in bold in

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Speaker 3: the ad it says, this is a fixed term contract

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Speaker 3: until the end of the year. I mean, why would

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Speaker 3: you be hiring somebody what is it August just through

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Speaker 3: to the end of the year, right. It started to

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Speaker 3: raise the questions all over again. Now TV and said

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Speaker 3: says there's nothing to see here, but you know, thirty

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Speaker 3: million dollars worth of savings says there is something to

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Speaker 3: see here and pretty much almost everywhere. And the reason

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Speaker 3: that we can say with confidence that shows have to

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Speaker 3: be cut is because that is the only way that

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Speaker 3: you're going to come anywhere close to finding thirty million

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Speaker 3: dollars worth of savings. And even then, you're not going

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Speaker 3: to come close by cutting shows. That gets you the closest,

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Speaker 3: but it's still way away. Remember all that cutting that

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Speaker 3: they did with fair Go and Sunday and the staff

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Speaker 3: and reducing Shorty Street and just everything else they were doing.

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Speaker 3: That only saved them ten million dollars. That's all, So

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Speaker 3: as you can see. As you can see, they are

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Speaker 3: going to have to cut pretty deep this time around,

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Speaker 3: and they can't be rescued all that much by trying

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Speaker 3: to find new income off the internet streaming service TV

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Speaker 3: and Z plus, because from what I've been told today,

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Speaker 3: is years away. They haven't got they haven't got the

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Speaker 3: digital ability to do that yet, so that's years away.

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Speaker 3: They have to find money this year. So this is

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Speaker 3: my prediction. They will cut shows, and the shows that

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Speaker 3: as I say, thirty million dollars is a lot of

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Speaker 2: Again whatever duplus La Jodie.

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Speaker 3: O'donald, the TV and Z chief executive, is going to

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Speaker 3: be with us after six o'clock now nine two, nine

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Speaker 3: to two. By the way, standard techs fees apply, exchanges

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Speaker 3: are coming for workers in the UK, they're going to

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Speaker 3: be allowed to demand a full day working week from

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Speaker 3: their bosses. The Telegraph is reporting the new law will

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Speaker 3: mean that employees can work their contracted weeks hours in

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Speaker 3: University Professor of Management and Maori Business Jared Hars with us. Now, hey,

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Speaker 3: Jared Cureda, how you doing. I'm well, thank you mate.

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Speaker 3: I mean this is obvious. It's obviously not going to

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Speaker 4: I I don't know for it to work for the majority. Actually,

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Speaker 4: I think one of the things is there might be

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Speaker 4: and then I think people will go, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 4: this is actually quite hard on the body, because it is.

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Speaker 4: That's what the research tells us. So I wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: What does it do for productivity?

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Speaker 4: Well, in some respects you are trying to cram it

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Speaker 4: For ten hour days, you do have to physically mentally

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Speaker 4: I mean, some people might love it, but I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: be surprised if we find a lot of people go yes,

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Speaker 4: but no thanks.

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Speaker 3: And what about the bosses. Are the bosses going to

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a great point, right because they may find

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Speaker 4: you can't work for I need you here to manage

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Speaker 4: the rest of the office five days a week. Although

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Speaker 4: we have found in the working from home that often

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Speaker 4: don't work from home, for example, So it might be

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Speaker 3: I reckon the bosses are going to hate it, because

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Speaker 3: if you think about it, right, the boss is turning

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Speaker 3: up let's say five days a week, and that even

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Speaker 3: suddenly on a Friday, you can't get hold of them

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's part of the dynamic, right,

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Speaker 4: You know that those There are ways around it, and

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Speaker 4: I guess the thing here is that it just gives

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Speaker 4: see you know. UK firms are rushing to adopt a

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Speaker 4: compressed work week, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Hey did you see that Kiwi billionaire over in Australia

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Speaker 3: even let them go out for a coffee?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I did laugh at that. You mean that the

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Speaker 4: you can't go next door to get a coffee. You

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Speaker 3: That's the one. So what he's got is he's got

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Speaker 3: he's got the coffee place at the workplace, he's got

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Speaker 3: have to leave. This doesn't feel like a good idea,

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Speaker 3: because surely sometimes just getting out and getting some fresh

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the research tells us we sometimes it's just that,

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Speaker 4: you know, you go for a walk, you're having coffee

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Speaker 4: the workplace can definitely be a beneficial thing. I noticed

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Speaker 4: he does sound a little bit especially when he talks about,

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Speaker 4: you know, chaining them to the workplace type thing, sounds

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Speaker 4: a little bit controlling whoatrolling end, and workers respond well

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Speaker 3: I don't think he'd be easy to be married to. Jared,

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, really appreciate Jared hah Massi University

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Speaker 3: This guy's name is Chris Allison. He's the chief executive

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Speaker 3: of the Australian mining giant Mineral Resources. He says he's on.

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Speaker 3: This is the Perth headquarters on site. They have a gym,

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Speaker 3: unless they're until they're like, no, you must go to

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Speaker 3: You've got to go to this doctor. Psychologists on the

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Speaker 3: payroll to tackle any mental health issues, as well as

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Speaker 3: other facilities to keep the staff there. They've got a

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Speaker 3: know is wonderful. They've got everything going on, art galleryander chef.

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Speaker 3: He says, I want to hold them captive all day long.

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Speaker 3: I don't want them leaving the building. But sinister, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I don't want them walking down the road for a

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Speaker 3: So if you see a job going at Mineral Resources

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Speaker 6: How hard hither it would be to pull a sicky

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Speaker 6: I think I better go home.

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Speaker 3: They're like, come and see the doctor, see the doctor,

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Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, And all of it would be rigged. It's

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: Just not my flu coming on now, not our team.

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Speaker 3: Our team's fine. Here we go sixteen past.

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Speaker 2: Four, Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duper c Allen drive with one New zealand

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Speaker 1: one giant leap for business use. Dogs'd be sport with

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Speaker 2: Today? Are eighteen bed responsibly here?

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Speaker 3: The Wellington Council needs an in house doctor. That way,

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Speaker 3: Tory Farno might work a full we Maybe she'll do Yeah,

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Speaker 3: maybe she will turn up to work when the pressures on.

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Speaker 3: But maybe also she'll figure out why she keeps on

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Speaker 3: contracting COVID all the time. Listen, We've got some trouble

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Speaker 3: at the America's Cup. By the sounds of things, the

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Speaker 3: boat's being dropped. I don't know if you've caught up

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Speaker 3: on this, but the crane dropped the boat on concrete

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Speaker 3: after the race this morning, and it sounds like it

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Speaker 3: and it's not clear whether they're definitely not racing on

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Speaker 3: not clear if they're going to race it all because

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Speaker 3: they basically have to try and fix the thing. Jason

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Speaker 8: Hello, hello head.

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Speaker 3: Do we know whether they're going to be able to

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Speaker 8: I think I'll fix it. What they've got on their

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Speaker 8: Vuton series really just to get some racism, you know,

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Speaker 8: they change the rules so that they could race against

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Speaker 8: these other boats, get some time on the water, that

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Speaker 3: Hey, we're going to tap into the Pulpenhorn trial after

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Speaker 3: me out of ten. How did it go for her?

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Speaker 13: I thought it was solid, if unspectacular, and ultimately that's

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Speaker 13: what her campaign would have wanted all alone, you know,

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Speaker 13: to avoid any sort of catastrophic slip up. Frankly, that

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Speaker 13: could have been the banan appeal to spoil her campaign,

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Speaker 13: which has ridden on a wave of momentum so far.

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Speaker 13: And I'm not going to suggest that she's won over

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Speaker 13: a ton of voters through this interview alone. But ultimately,

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Speaker 13: Kamala Howis's reputation was all about being good at asking questions,

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Speaker 13: not necessarily answering them, and she had faced accusations that

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Speaker 13: she'd been hiding from the press in recent weeks by

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Speaker 13: not taking this sit down in depth, on the record conversation.

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Speaker 13: Now she's done this interview answering those questions on important

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Speaker 13: issues like the economy, like immigration. Yes, there will still

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Speaker 13: be criticism from her rivals about some positions on which

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Speaker 13: she's flipped in a way to I think just managed

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Speaker 13: to non alienate some voters on key issues, but she

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Speaker 13: remained uns I think from this interview experience and can

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Speaker 13: now push on and move on with her campaign being

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Speaker 13: able to say, well, I've done it. I've been held

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Speaker 13: to account and I presented my vision to the country.

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Speaker 3: She's been getting grief even today for having Ton Waltz,

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Speaker 3: theird babysit herd. Did she actually need him in the inn?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 13: I think what's interesting about this is two things. One is,

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Speaker 13: if you look at precedent, it is entirely normal for

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Speaker 13: when the presidential candidate hosts their first interview of this

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Speaker 13: kind as a nominee, for them to have their running mates,

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Speaker 13: their vice presidential pick by their side. It happened with

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Speaker 13: Barack Obama and Joe Biden. It happened with Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 13: and Tim Kaine. It happened just the other week with

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Speaker 13: Donald Trump and Senator jd Vance. So this is, you know,

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Speaker 13: nothing strange or unique. It's not like she was using

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Speaker 13: him as protection. What it is also interesting is that

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Speaker 13: it so happens that he took much of the flack,

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Speaker 13: much of the cis from CNN during this interview, where

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Speaker 13: he was probed on some of the comments that he

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Speaker 13: made but could be potentially misleading about guns, about IVF,

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Speaker 13: the treatment that he used in order to help him

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Speaker 13: and his wife give birth to their daughter, Hope. But

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Speaker 13: ultimately what it did allow for is some more lighthearted

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Speaker 13: conversation towards the end of the interview about Tim Walls's

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Speaker 13: pride in his son, a moment that went viral during

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Speaker 13: the Democratic National Convention where his son was proudly cheering

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Speaker 13: on his father, And I think that would be helpful

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Speaker 13: in a campaign which is so much about personality and

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Speaker 13: vibes just as much as policy.

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Speaker 3: Hey, was this the first time that we'd actually heard

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Speaker 3: Tim Waltz himself admit that he hadn't been to war

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Speaker 3: since the comment?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so this is a comment about him saying that

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Speaker 13: he was using weapons of war and that he wouldn't

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Speaker 13: want them to be used in other sort of setting.

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Speaker 13: You know, the idea of school shootings being an unfortunately

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Speaker 13: rife epidemic in the United States. So a really important

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Speaker 13: subject that's worth speaking about, but has been sort of

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Speaker 13: undermined by these comments that Republicans especially have pounced upon,

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Speaker 13: saying that Timboles was misleading in these remarks. He didn't

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Speaker 13: actually hold a weapon in war. He has clarified that

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Speaker 13: position in the past through statements, but this was different

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Speaker 13: because it was on air and he said that he

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Speaker 13: just you know, made a mistake over wording it wasn't.

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Speaker 13: It wasn't a guy that's used to grammar and this,

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Speaker 13: that and the other, which I think he'd kind of

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Speaker 13: managed to get away with for now. But ultimately this

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Speaker 13: is going to continue to be an attack line by Republicans,

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Speaker 13: which he claims is personal, and ultimately there is precedent

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Speaker 13: for that. If you look at a number of the

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Speaker 13: rhetoric that comes from Republicans, it is attacking Timballs and

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Speaker 13: Kamala Harris as people, as individuals. I mean, some of

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Speaker 13: Donald Trump's attacks on Kamala Harris had been racial or

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Speaker 13: misogynistic in nature, and I think that actually the Democrats

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Speaker 13: will happily take those if it means that Donald Trump

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Speaker 13: isn't focusing on policy issues like the economy, like immigration,

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Speaker 13: where in fact, how it could be seen as more vulnerable.

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Speaker 3: Benji, thank you so much for your insight, really appreciated,

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Speaker 3: as Benji Higher, the US correspondent in Washington, DC who

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Speaker 3: watched the interview for US. By the way, on ever

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Speaker 3: asking Donald Trump to stop playing the song songs, they

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Speaker 3: are just the latest in a long line of artists

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Speaker 3: have now asked them to please stop. You got the

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Speaker 3: Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen Rihanna, Prince Adele and obviously not

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Speaker 3: Prince himself, right, but representatives for and also Beyonce. But

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Speaker 3: this was because he was playing beyonce song Freedom. But

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Speaker 3: then oh, Mike Camela runs Beyonce's song Freedom and Beyonce

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Speaker 3: is totally fine with it. It is much easier, right. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you've noticed this, but it's much easier

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Speaker 3: to be a Democrat running for president in terms of

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Speaker 3: the music because everybody, like all the musicians love the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: So the happy for the Democrats to use the music.

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Speaker 3: But when the Republicans use it, and especially Trump, no,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 3: Certainty, very so, senior political correspondent with US Now Barry.

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Speaker 10: Hello, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Who succeeds King tu Haitia.

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Speaker 14: Well that's an interesting one, isn't it, Because it was

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Speaker 14: only a couple of years ago that his oldest son,

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Speaker 14: and that would be assumed because it was King to

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Speaker 14: Haitia's mother, Dame Tete Rengui Kahu, who I knew relatively well.

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Speaker 14: He was the next in line in terms of the family. Well,

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Speaker 14: the king's oldest son Fatumwana Paky he would normal under

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Speaker 14: normal circumstances. Jordan Magen succeed the king, but the King

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Speaker 14: disowned him essentially when he got married a couple of

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Speaker 14: years ago, and then added insult to injury by stripping

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Speaker 14: him of his royal title.

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Speaker 10: So whether whether.

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Speaker 14: In fact he now can step up is another matter.

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Speaker 14: But it's interesting, isn't it. King to hay Tea, the

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Speaker 14: condolences and messages that have flowed in from around the world.

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Speaker 14: King Charles sent a message He had met to Haitia,

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Speaker 14: he said, on a number of occasions, and he said

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Speaker 14: that his death was a particular shock to him, given

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Speaker 14: the fact that he had been recently talking to King

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Speaker 14: to ha Tea on the telephone at the beginning of

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Speaker 14: this month. So you know, the pair obviously got on well.

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Speaker 14: And all the photos that I've seen of them, the

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Speaker 14: two of them together, they are always seemed to be

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Speaker 14: laughing and joking. Is it's a time for maldi And

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Speaker 14: I was at Dame Tiata her funeral and it's or Tonguey.

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Speaker 14: It's massive and it will be massive, no doubt at

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Speaker 14: turanngawai Wa next week.

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Speaker 3: It's an awkward time to be isn't it for I

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Speaker 3: suppose the Mary world to be changing the king here

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Speaker 3: because just because of what a unifier he's been with

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Speaker 3: all of the race relations policies and stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: it just it just doesn't help, does it.

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Speaker 11: Well.

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Speaker 14: The interesting thing about King to Haiti and he broke

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Speaker 14: from tradition and through his support at the last sorry,

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Speaker 14: at the twenty seventeen election behind the Maldi Party. Now

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Speaker 14: you'd naturally assume Maori King would support or any Maldi

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Speaker 14: royalty would support the Maldi Party. But that was a

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Speaker 14: break with tradition, and he said that the king e

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Speaker 14: Tunga movement will go on supporting Mary, and essentially it's

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Speaker 14: a Waikato movement, it's not the whole of Maldi. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: but you know, he broke with tradition. Then normally hither

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Speaker 14: in terms of succession, what happens is that on the

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Speaker 14: day of the funeral, when they're laid to rest at

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Speaker 14: the top of Tolpury Mountain, they announced the successor. Then

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Speaker 14: so next week the successor should be announced and it'll

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Speaker 14: be interesting to see if they can arrive at a conclusion.

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Speaker 3: By then, Ary has the Pacific Islands Forum wrapped up,

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Speaker 3: already has.

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Speaker 14: It well, it has essentially, and the leaders have been

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Speaker 14: at a retreat and climate change. Not surprisingly heather is

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Speaker 14: dominated discussion here, given that some of these small island

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Speaker 14: states are going to be inundated by the sea in

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Speaker 14: the coming decades. But interestingly, the Australian idea of supporting

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Speaker 14: a Pacific policing initiative that will be set up a

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Speaker 14: training facility in Brisbane, that got certainly the accolades from

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Speaker 14: the leaders attending this. And it's interesting because the Chinese

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Speaker 14: they've been talking about policing in the region and this

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Speaker 14: is obviously a play against Chinese dominance in the region.

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Speaker 14: So that security issue has always been very much to

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Speaker 14: the forefront of these leaders discussions as well.

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Speaker 3: Can you think of it now that the cops are

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Speaker 3: not doing the mental health callouts? Can you think of

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Speaker 3: who is going to take the place and do those

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Speaker 3: mental health call outs?

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Speaker 14: Well, I hear you going to be interviewing Matt Doosey,

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Speaker 14: and that'll be fascinating because that's exactly what's sprung to

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Speaker 14: my mind, as it did clearly yours. You know, if

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Speaker 14: they do get a call out, they'll have to judge

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Speaker 14: or the call center will have to judge whether a

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Speaker 14: person is an imminent danger. If they are, the police

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Speaker 14: would go, but if they're not. And the mental health

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Speaker 14: call out is a very difficult one, but you can

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Speaker 14: understand the resources that it takes from the police. I

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Speaker 14: mean they have been known to sit with for hours

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Speaker 14: with distress people in emergency departments. Well they won't be

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Speaker 14: doing that from November onwards. But exactly as you say, Heather,

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Speaker 14: it's going to be interesting to see who picks up

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Speaker 14: the sl back when a distressed person calls and who

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Speaker 14: makes that judgment about a mental health issue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, too, right, Barry, thank you very much, appreciate it. We'

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Speaker 3: wrap the political week that was with you later on

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Speaker 3: about quarter past six. Barry Sopa, our senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 3: here's a stat for you. Police receive one mental health

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Speaker 3: related call every seven minutes. That's how much of their

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Speaker 3: time it takes up eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Digging into the issues that affect you the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 15: Confidence can always continue to fall, but I do maintain

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Speaker 15: my argument that I think I started last week. I

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Speaker 15: think things are turning in this country and people are

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Speaker 15: keen to feel better about life and having rucks and

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Speaker 15: everyone pays rucks. Would that make it simpler?

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Speaker 5: It's more about making it.

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Speaker 2: Fairer here everybody.

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Speaker 15: They picked an interviewer that really is on a hiding,

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Speaker 15: sadly to nothing unless she lays it out and puts

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Speaker 15: her on the floor. Back Monday, from six am, the

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Speaker 15: mic asking Breakfast with the Rain drove of the last

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Speaker 15: news talk z b SO on.

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Speaker 3: The Polkinghorn trial. The lawyer this is Polkinghorn's lawyer, Ron Mansfield,

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Speaker 3: has ripped into the cops today. He's saying that they

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Speaker 3: were too intoxicated by salacious details of sex and drugs

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Speaker 3: to step back and take a realistic look at what

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Speaker 3: was so obviously a suicide. He runs a very good lawyer,

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Speaker 3: very good defense lawyer. So Philip Polkinghorn's money well spent there.

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Speaker 3: Craig Capatan is going to be with us straight after

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Speaker 3: five o'clock and talk us through what's happened in court today.

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Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by the success the succession to king tu

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Speaker 3: Haitia because it's not actually necessarily hereditary. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think we all just assume it's hereditary, because you know,

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Speaker 3: the English thrown as hereditary. I'm not entirely sure that

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Speaker 3: it is with the Mary King situation. We're gonna have

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Speaker 3: a chance to Shane to Poe about this when he's

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Speaker 3: with us. Ten past five problems if it is hereditary, right. So,

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Speaker 3: the king was grooming his eldest son very clearly to

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Speaker 3: take over from him to be the heir. But then

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Speaker 3: of course he got in trouble because he married some

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Speaker 3: bird that the king didn't like, and as a result

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Speaker 3: they actually stripped him off his title. So then, and

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Speaker 3: this was very recent, this was just in the last

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Speaker 3: couple of years, so he's now not the chosen one anymore.

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Speaker 3: The second son was kind of like, yeah, he was

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Speaker 3: like the Harry. He was a bit problematic because he

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Speaker 3: had got into some trouble. Now, bearing in mind this

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Speaker 3: was ten years ago and that the boy might have

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Speaker 3: grown up, but he like most of us have, but

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Speaker 3: he got into trouble for doing things like charges of

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Speaker 3: drink driving, two counts of burglary, one of theft, appearing

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Speaker 3: in the court for that kind of thing. So they've

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Speaker 3: got problems with it. Tickle Morgan has come out today

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Speaker 3: been asked about the successor and whether it would come

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Speaker 3: from to Hasier's family, and he said that is not

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Speaker 3: our choice, meaning why cuttle Tai Nui, which suggests that

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Speaker 3: why cuttle Tai Nui does not want the successor to

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Speaker 3: come from within the family. So this all feels like

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Speaker 3: it's going to be slightly problematic. As I say, we'll

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Speaker 3: have a chat to shake the poe about that. Shortly.

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Speaker 3: It'll be with us ten past five coming up right now,

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Speaker 3: We've got the news and then we're cracking into the

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Speaker 3: polkin Corn trial. Newstoks that best.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, Everybody.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather duplessy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand Let's.

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Speaker 2: Get connected and news Talk said be.

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Speaker 3: So to the polking Horn murder trial. Today is the

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Speaker 3: first day of the defense for Philip Poulkinghorn. The first

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Speaker 3: witness called was Pauline Hannah's sister Tracy, who said she

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Speaker 3: believes that Pauline Hannah committed suicide. Now the Crown has

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Speaker 3: argued that Philip Poulkinghorn killed his wife and staged it

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Speaker 3: as a suicide. In April twenty twenty one, Herald Court

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Speaker 3: reporter Craig Capitanna's with us now, Hey Craig. What did

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Speaker 3: Ron Mansfield mean when he told the jury that this

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Speaker 3: is not the perfect murder?

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Speaker 16: He was basically saying to the jury, look, you have

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Speaker 16: two choices here. It's either were murder or a suicide.

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Speaker 16: But if this was a murder, it would have had

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Speaker 16: to have been the perfect murder to have left no

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Speaker 16: forensic evidence inside the house. Sort of outsmarted two pathologists

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Speaker 16: earlier in the trial. There were two pathologists who said

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Speaker 16: basically that they could only tell that she had died

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Speaker 16: from quote, de compression, so they couldn't say for certain

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Speaker 16: whether it was hanging or strangulation. And circumstantial cases a

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Speaker 16: lot a lot times they'll have prosecutors say something along

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Speaker 16: the lines of either he's guilty or simply be a

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Speaker 16: muppiest man in the world to have all these random,

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Speaker 16: suspicious things happened against him. So this is basically Ron

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Speaker 16: Mansfield kind of turning things on their head, saying either

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Speaker 16: he's not guilty or he's committed the perfect murder.

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Speaker 3: What did Pauline, Hannah's sister say when she.

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Speaker 16: Appeared, Well, the main thing we learned today was that

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Speaker 16: sometime in the early nineties, after the death of their father,

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Speaker 16: pulling hands supposedly told her that she had attempted suicide

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Speaker 16: during kind of in the heat of the moment during

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Speaker 16: an argument the farmstead in Hawk's Bay. The defense had

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Speaker 16: mentioned this earlier in the trial during cross examination of

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Speaker 16: another witness, but this is the first time George heard

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Speaker 16: it directly from the source.

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Speaker 11: It's also the.

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Speaker 16: First time they kind of got a feeling for this

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Speaker 16: painful family risked with her on one side and her

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Speaker 16: brother just fine for the crown.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very much. Now it's being confirmed that Philip Polkinhorn

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Speaker 3: himself is not going to take the stand. How did

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Speaker 3: Ron Mansfield explain that?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, he basically said police, I've already kind of had

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Speaker 16: the shot at his client and they kind of did

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Speaker 16: him dirty the first time, so he's not going to

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Speaker 16: let it happen again. George, earlier in the trial, had

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Speaker 16: already watched the video interview that they did with him

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Speaker 16: just a couple hours after his wife's death. He didn't

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Speaker 16: realize at the time that he was a suspect, so

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Speaker 16: he was unguarded and formal, his lawyer said, not realizing

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Speaker 16: that quote's going to be broadcast to the nation later on.

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Speaker 16: She's referring to this trial. Yeah, he said, basically, any

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Speaker 16: testimony that he gave on the stand now would be

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Speaker 16: a distraction because it would allow prosecutors to build more

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Speaker 16: into a sex life and drug use, and says that's

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Speaker 16: not really relevant to the cold heart evidence in this trial.

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Speaker 16: Of course, prosecutors would probably strongly disagree with that contention, Craig.

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Speaker 3: One of the surprises in the last few days was

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Speaker 3: that Medisine Ashton, the mistress, was on the witness list

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Speaker 3: for the prosecution, but didn't appear. Did we learn why.

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Speaker 16: No, I have to be very guarded. I can't say

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Speaker 16: anything that's not said to the jury, but I can't

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Speaker 16: tell you that. The jury is also curious about this.

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Speaker 16: They sent out a message to the judge earlier today

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Speaker 16: asking why she hasn't testified when she was on the list,

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Speaker 16: and the judge basically said, look, you have all the

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Speaker 16: evidence before you. I can't comment on that. You just

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Speaker 16: kind of have to take it as it is. But

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Speaker 16: you can't use that to infer anything as well. It's

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Speaker 16: just what it is.

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Speaker 3: And is it the first day that Philip Polkinghorn's kids

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Speaker 3: were actually there?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: I believe so. I'm in an odd position in the

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Speaker 16: court rewinded. Don't get a look behind me too often,

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Speaker 16: but it did seem that that was the first day there.

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Speaker 3: Craig, it's good to talk to you. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: really appreciated, Craig Captain, the Herald's court reporter, and sorry

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Speaker 3: about the quality of the line. It's coming up eleven

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Speaker 3: past five for sel. Tributes have flowed for the Mardi

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Speaker 3: King on his death, including from King Charles King you

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Speaker 3: too hates. He had died peacefully this morning. He had

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Speaker 3: been in hospital recovering from heart surgery. Now, Shank the

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Speaker 3: Poe is a political commentator with us. Now, hey, Shane

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Speaker 3: killed her sha fair day. Did we know that he

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Speaker 3: wasn't well?

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Speaker 9: Well, Look, he'd looked frail, but he'd been traveling quite

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Speaker 9: a bit. I think he was in Paris at the

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Speaker 9: Olympic Games, not that long ago. But he did look

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Speaker 9: frail and apparently just reading the newspapers. This thetery he

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Speaker 9: went in full scheduled surgery.

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Speaker 3: Who takes over from him, now, Shane.

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Speaker 9: Well that'll be interesting. Then that'll be a very because

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Speaker 9: if we remember correct, he didn't know that he was

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Speaker 9: going to be the king until a few days before

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Speaker 9: his mother passed away. I think that it's likely to

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Speaker 9: be one of the children. I've noticed hither that his

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Speaker 9: daughter has has been with him a lot. I understand

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Speaker 9: that she's the most fluent in that ear and is

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Speaker 9: very steeped in in the tick on us, so it

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Speaker 9: could well be her. But you know, that's a decision

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Speaker 9: that Tai and the king makers will make over the

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Speaker 9: next few days.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who gets to make this call.

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Speaker 9: There's a council, not only tiny Tyery Canoe, but Mary

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Speaker 9: leaders throughout throughout throughout al and they'll participate in that corridor,

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Speaker 9: and then they'll come together and the question will be

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Speaker 9: asked and that ear, do we agree that this person

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Speaker 9: will be the king or the queen? And they say

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Speaker 9: I And that's how it will be sorted. Though I'm

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Speaker 9: not sure what sort of time frame it is. I'm

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Speaker 9: not an expert, but that's my understanding.

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Speaker 3: To go more and has already said having somebody come

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Speaker 3: from the family is not why cuttle Thai Nui's choice.

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Speaker 3: Do they have a veto power here or might they

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Speaker 3: just have to suck it up?

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Speaker 9: Well, no, I'm very surprised that till you said that,

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Speaker 9: but you know he would He's much closer to this

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Speaker 9: than than you and I am. And you know it

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Speaker 9: doesn't need to come from the media, Pharo. So yeah,

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Speaker 9: that'll be interesting if it plays out that way.

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Speaker 3: If the air doesn't come from within the family, who

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Speaker 3: can where can it come from? Literally anywhere?

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Speaker 9: Oh well, there has to be someone that is very

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Speaker 9: knowledgeable and close to Tinyi, Tini, So you know, I'm

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Speaker 9: not going to pick any names out of the hat. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: but it will be no doubt it will be somebody

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Speaker 9: who is known to and is knowledgeable of all things

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Speaker 9: tiny Shane.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for talking us through it. Mate, really appreciate

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Speaker 3: it that Shane the Poe political commentator.

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Speaker 2: Ether do for Sea Elan Well Hooks.

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Speaker 3: They regional Counsel's got a sternly worded letter from Sam

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Speaker 3: and Brown about that carry on with the at the meeting.

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Speaker 3: Not only did he have a phone call with Heineuai Lmsby,

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Speaker 3: the chair of the Hawks Bay Regional Council, but he

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Speaker 3: has also sent Hinuei a letter. It says it is

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Speaker 3: incredibly disappointed we'll managed to get our hands on it.

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Speaker 3: By the way, y That's why I'm reading it to you, Yay.

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Speaker 3: It's incredibly disappointing to see Hawks Bay Regional Council appear

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Speaker 3: to celebrate individuals who openly flout the law. The posting

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Speaker 3: of these photos undermines public confidence in the Council's commitment

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Speaker 3: to upholding the law and maintaining a safe and respectful

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Speaker 3: environment for residents in hawks Bay. New Zealanders, including the

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Speaker 3: ratepayers of hawks Bay, rightfully expect their representatives to adhere

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Speaker 3: to the highest standards of conduct. You have assured me

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Speaker 3: that the Council regrets what has happened, and I trust

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Speaker 3: that you will take immediate steps to prevent any recurrence

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Speaker 3: of such incidents and ensure that all future council activities

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Speaker 3: uphold the law. And I look forward to your response.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you what they're doing already at hawks

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Speaker 3: Bay Regional Council. They're gonna put up some signs. They've

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Speaker 3: got some signs they're going to put up. It says

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Speaker 3: gang insigniaire is not allowed in the building. They have said,

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Speaker 3: might need some police support around non compliance. Yes, that's

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Speaker 3: generally how it works, because yes, I think we know

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Speaker 3: that gang members not really super responsive to signs. I

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Speaker 3: don't know about you. I don't know about your experience

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Speaker 3: with gang members but rules are not really a thing

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Speaker 3: with those guys, So good luck with the signs. But yes,

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Speaker 3: you're going to need the coppers. Could I told you

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Speaker 3: that age is I go quarter past here. Maybe TV

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Speaker 3: and Z could stop purchasing expensive sports programs and competing

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Speaker 3: with Sky because that will be costing a fortune. Actually,

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk to TV and z's boss about

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Speaker 3: what their plans are to try and save this business.

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Speaker 3: She's with us, Jody O'Donnell after six o'clock right now,

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Speaker 3: it's coming up eighteen past five.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 3: The police have confirmed that they will start reducing the

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Speaker 3: number of mental health callouts that they attend, and it's

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Speaker 3: going to start happening from November. They're still going to

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Speaker 3: go to call outs that have an immediate threatening element

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Speaker 3: to life and safety, but everything else has now got

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Speaker 3: to be dealt with by more appropriate services. The Minister

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Speaker 3: for Mental Health Mat Doosey is with us.

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Speaker 17: Hey, Matt, morning, oh afternoon neither yes.

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Speaker 3: Long day obviously long day. Who are these more appropriate services?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: I just want to correct you bit the heather. The

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Speaker 17: change from a police lead triple one mental health crisis

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Speaker 17: call out response to a multi agency response is a

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Speaker 17: larger program of work, a three to five year program

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Speaker 17: between police and health. What we've announced today is a

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Speaker 17: change in mental health response change program that kicks off

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Speaker 17: on the first in November, and there's some specific changes

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Speaker 17: or rebalancing. So, for instance, the first thing to be

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Speaker 17: focused on is when police bring in people in mental

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Speaker 17: health crisis for voluntary assessment. So the first piece of

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Speaker 17: work is just streamlining that process with an ned that

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Speaker 17: through the streamlining will prioritize those patients, which will allow

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Speaker 17: police to go back out onto the beat a lot quicker.

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Speaker 17: So what we've done is set out some key tasks

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Speaker 17: over about an eight month period where we'll change the

870
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Speaker 17: thresholds on some very specific activity. But just be very clear,

871
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Speaker 17: police will be responding. I want to thank them for

872
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 17: the great work. But the wider view is clearly, when

873
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Speaker 17: you have a mental health crisis calling up one one one,

874
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Speaker 17: you should get a mental health response, not a criminal

875
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Speaker 17: justice response.

876
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Speaker 18: No totally.

877
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Speaker 3: But who does this mental health response?

878
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Speaker 17: Well, what we're moving towards is what called a multi

879
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Speaker 17: agency response. And the reason we call it that is

880
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Speaker 17: primarily when you are in a mental health distress crisis,

881
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Speaker 17: if there is a risk to the individual or safety

882
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Speaker 17: of others. Clearly police will respond, but in a mental

883
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Speaker 17: health crisis, it could be better for what we're calling

884
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Speaker 17: a co response team, which is pairing up mental health

885
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Speaker 17: professionals and police. But what's interesting in the data matching

886
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Speaker 17: that we're doing in the first year, when police are

887
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Speaker 17: coding what's called one M calls for mental health, that's

888
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Speaker 17: become a catch all. So what's happening now is some

889
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Speaker 17: people are calling up Triple one because of loneliness, a

890
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 17: relationship break down, financial pressures, and clearly that could be

891
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Speaker 17: a specific social response in itself. So that's why we're

892
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Speaker 17: building up the picture to ultimately move to a multi

893
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Speaker 17: agency response.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So am I right in thinking that from what

895
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: you're telling me, we are still years away from when

896
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Speaker 3: you see somebody walking down the road causing trouble and

897
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Speaker 3: you're worried about them and it's obviously a mental health crisis.

898
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Speaker 3: We are still years away from not calling the cops.

899
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Speaker 3: At the moment, we still continue to call the cops.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, So myself and Mark Mitchell took a paper on

901
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Speaker 17: this to pabnet in about May will be reporting back

902
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Speaker 17: at the end of the year, and because of issues

903
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Speaker 17: like mental health workforce development. That will be a significant

904
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Speaker 17: piece of work from three to five years. But if

905
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Speaker 17: you look at what's been announced today for the first

906
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Speaker 17: of November, there'll be streamlining of processes in the ED

907
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Speaker 17: for voluntary mental health assessments. There'll be a higher threshold

908
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Speaker 17: for transportation of mental health patients, specifically within mental health

909
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Speaker 17: FATH facility. So these are some of the smaller areas

910
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Speaker 17: that we can assist police to get back on the beat.

911
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Speaker 17: But the wider issue you talk about is a three

912
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Speaker 17: to five year play.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Hey, Matt, thank you very much, really appreciate that.

914
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Speaker 3: Matt Doocy, the Minister for Mental Health. Now Tim Brown,

915
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Speaker 3: former Phoenix player, former All Whites player, the dude who

916
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Speaker 3: started the All Birds, he has bought into this Auckland

917
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: FC club, right the new football club. I think he's

918
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Speaker 3: bought a very small stake because like one point five

919
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 3: six percent or something like that, compared to for example,

920
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Speaker 3: Ali Williams and Animobray have bought something like fifteen percent.

921
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Speaker 3: But regardless, he's brought into Auckland's club when he used

922
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Speaker 3: to play for Wellington's clubs. We're going to talk to him.

923
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: He's in San Francisco and is very kindly given us

924
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Speaker 3: some of his time. He's going to be with us

925
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Speaker 3: in quarter of an hour, five twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c

927
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Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

928
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: news dogs.

929
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Speaker 3: That'd be the stern letter that sime and Center the

930
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: council was not going far enough their vote should be

931
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Speaker 3: invalidated due to the clear evidence present of a risk

932
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Speaker 3: of intimidation of those in the room. Gang Insignaire isn't

933
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Speaker 3: banned for esthetic reasons. It's banned because of any because

934
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Speaker 3: of the intimateary effect. I think the real intimidatary effect.

935
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Speaker 3: I think the reason Simeon can only go as far

936
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Speaker 3: as he's gone is because that is as far as

937
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Speaker 3: he's gone as he can go, he can't and validate

938
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Speaker 3: their vote. I mean, there's no evidence that the gang

939
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Speaker 3: members are intimidating. I think he's probably taken it as

940
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Speaker 3: far as he can, you know, just by tuttuching like

941
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Speaker 3: an angry dad. I think it's fine. I think we're

942
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Speaker 3: starting to form a very clear picture of Hawks Bay

943
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Speaker 3: Regional Council, aren't we. Five twenty five.

944
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Speaker 1: Now.

945
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 3: Look, I've really tried overnight to convince myself that Auckland

946
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Speaker 3: Council did the right thing yesterday by limiting the alcohol sales,

947
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Speaker 3: and just when I thought I had, I got talked

948
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Speaker 3: out of it immediately. I just can't convince myself that

949
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: this was the right thing to do. I don't think

950
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Speaker 3: it's going to work. So what Auckland Council did yesterday

951
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Speaker 3: is they voted for two changes. The first is that

952
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Speaker 3: Aucklanders will not be able to buy booze after nine

953
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Speaker 3: in Auckland, and the second is that they're basically the

954
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Speaker 3: council not going to allow any new booze shops Auckland

955
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Speaker 3: and West Auckland and the central city, which are the

956
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Speaker 3: problem areas. So if you live in any of these places,

957
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Speaker 3: very paternalistic now, bless because their hearts are in the

958
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Speaker 3: right place. I mean, they do want to stop the

959
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Speaker 3: absolute booze hags being able to buy any more grog

960
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: when they're already smashed at nine o'clock and think that

961
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: drinking more is a great idea. I get that, but

962
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: I actually think they're going about this the wrong way.

963
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: I mean, what difference does it really make whether there

964
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Speaker 3: is one booze shop in your suburb or twenty booze

965
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Speaker 3: shops in your suburb, it's not going to change the

966
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Speaker 3: number of people who are smashed, and it's not going

967
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Speaker 3: to change the level to which they're smashed. Just because

968
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Speaker 3: there are twenty boo shops does not make them any

969
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Speaker 3: more smashed. Right, you can buy as much booze from

970
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Speaker 3: one as you need, never mind the others. So i

971
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Speaker 3: just can't see how having more places to buy booze

972
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: from makes a difference. And I'm also not convinced that

973
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Speaker 3: cutting off booze at nine is actually going to prevent problems.

974
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Speaker 3: People will simply adjust. They will just get there before

975
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: nine so that they can get their booze and they

976
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Speaker 3: can pile it, and maybe for a few weeks it'll

977
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Speaker 3: be a bit of a surprise that everything's closed at nine,

978
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Speaker 3: But after that they'll get used to it. We saw

979
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: this in action in the six o'clock squill Right, people

980
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: just change their behavior to suit the available hours. Meanwhile,

981
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 3: all it's going to do is it's going to punish

982
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Speaker 3: the people who are behaving responsibly, the tourists who's just

983
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: landed from overseas and wants a bottle of wine for

984
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 3: the hotel room, or the shift worker who wants to

985
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 3: get a six pack on the way home. One liquor

986
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Speaker 3: store in Mount Wellington reckons they make forty percent of

987
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: their sales after nine o'clock at night, and mostly it's

988
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Speaker 3: from shift workers. Like I say, I can't criticize Auckland

989
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 3: Council for what they're trying to do. I feel like

990
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: their hearts are in the right place. I just feel

991
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: like they're dealing with the wrong end of this problem.

992
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 3: Supply is not the issue. Demand is the issue. If

993
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: you've got people with drinking problems demanding booze, they will

994
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: get it no matter what you do to stop them.

995
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: Heather do for see Allen.

996
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the sports titles with us shortly, and we're going

997
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: to have to talk about the Leon McDonald's situation. The

998
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: All Blacks are trying very hard not to talk about Leon,

999
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: like just it didn't happen, It wasn't there, it was

1000
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: a dream. They just want to do that. But Caleb

1001
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: Clark has come out and said he feels so sorry

1002
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: for Leon. He's reached out to him to make sure

1003
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 3: he's okay, and he is jet to sport huddle.

1004
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: Shortly the day's newsmakers talk to Heather first. Heather Duplessy

1005
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news

1006
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: talk zed be.

1007
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 11: I remember when we were driving.

1008
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: Driving in your car, speed's a fast Feller car.

1009
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 10: Seriously before it's in your arm.

1010
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: Fell Jedie O'Donnell, who's TV's it's chief executive, is going

1011
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: to be with us. After six we had the sports

1012
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: huddle standing by to talk about everything including the dropping

1013
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: the dropping off the boat by the crane on the concrete.

1014
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: Heather nanaiah Ma Hootera is next in line. Next Marty Queen.

1015
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: You heard it here first. That's from Anthony, not the

1016
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 3: first time I've heard that, and actually also from at

1017
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: least one source who may be sort of like close

1018
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 3: ish to knowing what's going on. It's not the craziest

1019
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 3: idea actually that you've ever heard, because Nanaya comes from

1020
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: that part of the world. She comes from two dungawai

1021
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: Wai is her I think a term at I close

1022
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: to the family. She's got Mona. She really in the

1023
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 3: last to improved herself to be quite an advocate for Mardy.

1024
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 3: She pushed it really hard she doesn't have a job,

1025
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 3: and if she's the queen, she doesn't have travel. She

1026
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Speaker 3: doesn't like to travel, So who knows it wouldn't be

1027
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: the craziest idea twenty four away from six now, All

1028
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: Birds founder and former All Whites footballer Tim Brown has

1029
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 3: brought into the New Auckland FC, a league franchise. He's

1030
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 3: taken a one point five percent a one point five

1031
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 3: six percent stake in the club, alongside former All Whites

1032
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 3: Winston Reed and Noah Hicky and Tim Brown's in San Francisco.

1033
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: Hay, Tim, how are you doing?

1034
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 14: Tim?

1035
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: I'm well, But how have you changed loyalties like this?

1036
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: He used to play for the Phoenix Man.

1037
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I did.

1038
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 12: Yeah in My family's still in Wellington and I grew

1039
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 12: up in Wellington. But look, the opportunity came when I

1040
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 12: met Bill Foley a number of months ago and I

1041
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 12: jumped on it. Look, I think this is about New Zealand.

1042
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 12: It's about New Zealand sport. It's about one of the

1043
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 12: biggest cities in the world that doesn't you'd have a

1044
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 12: professional football team, and it's so exciting and it's really

1045
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 12: a privilege to be a part of it.

1046
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 3: Do you do you reckon that this could turn into

1047
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: something bigger than the Phoenix has managed to turn into

1048
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 3: in Wellington.

1049
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 11: I think so, yeah, I think so.

1050
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, it's immense club initially and then

1051
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 12: it'll be a women's club, you know. I think there's

1052
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 12: so much potential for the sport of football to connect

1053
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 12: into Asia and into the world. I think coming off

1054
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 12: the Olympics, you know, anyone who doesn't understand the power

1055
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 12: of sport, you know, to connect people and for it

1056
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 12: to be a way that New Zealand values are exported

1057
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 12: to the world, I don't think they're looking at this

1058
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 12: the right way. And certainly someone who lives in America.

1059
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 12: You know, the Football World Cup's going to be here

1060
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 12: in twenty twenty six, the Olympics in twenty twenty eight,

1061
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 12: the Rugby World Cup in twenty thirty one, so you know,

1062
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 12: sported its best does some great stuff for us. And

1063
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 12: then on a grassroots level, you know, there's forty odd

1064
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 12: thousand young kids playing soccer you know every weekend in

1065
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 12: Orcyland and seveney odd clubs, and then the rivalry with

1066
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 12: Wellington is only going to be a good thing. So

1067
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 12: I see nothing but good coming from this.

1068
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 3: But okay, so what do you think is the secret

1069
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 3: ingredient that makes the Auckland club bigger than the Phoenix?

1070
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: Is it, Bill Foley? Is it the size of Auckland?

1071
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: What is it?

1072
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 11: Well?

1073
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 12: Nothing yet it hasn't played a game. And Wellington I

1074
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 12: know I've played for them, has done a great job

1075
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 12: and last year on the field performed really really well.

1076
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 12: I mean, I think what Bill Foley brings first of

1077
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 12: all is a deep love for New Zealand and he's

1078
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 12: also got a really extraordinary expertise in building successful clubs.

1079
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 11: The Las Vegas Golden.

1080
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 12: Knights is the ice hockey team in the NAHL, arguably

1081
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 12: one of the most successful new franchises in American sport,

1082
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 12: which is saying something. No one thought that ice hockey

1083
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 12: could work in the desert, and he bought it there

1084
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 12: and then won a Stanley Cup in the third or

1085
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 12: fourth season, and it's now one of the most valuable

1086
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 12: franchises in that league. What he's done with Bourne, with

1087
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 12: in the Premier League and then now growing network of

1088
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 12: football clubs around the world in France and Scotland and

1089
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 12: other places. You know, it's a really amazing opportunity for

1090
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 12: young Kiwi boys and girls and players to have an

1091
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 12: opportunity at this club and hopefully take their talents around

1092
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 12: the world on the back of it.

1093
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 3: I got to ask you about All Birds. Do you

1094
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: have much confidences can turn around? I'm getting a bit worried.

1095
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 19: Good pivot, I really do?

1096
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 11: You know?

1097
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 12: People forget that All Birds is not even ten years old.

1098
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 12: But before it became a business in San Francisco, you know,

1099
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 12: I know personally it was a bad idea for a

1100
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 12: long time. And yeah, people came out of the woodwork

1101
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 12: to say it would never work, and then we had

1102
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 12: a glorious run and then now we're back in another

1103
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 12: chapter where people are doubting it. Look, we just came

1104
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 12: out of a board meeting today. There's so many good

1105
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 12: things happening. There's a lot of work to do, but gosh,

1106
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 12: the comeback would would be really lovely.

1107
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 2: But I believe it can happen.

1108
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 3: Are you guys preparing though, for the chance of dlisting?

1109
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 12: No?

1110
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: Right, so you're confidence of what it'll stay on the NASDAC, Yes,

1111
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: I love the confidence. Tim, Thank you very much, really

1112
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 3: appreciate your time, mate and thing. Thank you for coping

1113
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 3: with that pivot. That's Tim Brown, All Birds founder and

1114
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 3: former All Whites footballer. It's nineteen away from five.

1115
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: S the Friday sports Huddle with New Zealand Southebeast International

1116
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: Realty exceptional marketing for every property.

1117
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 17: The winner of the gold medal and the twenty twenty

1118
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 17: four AIG Women's Open champion is Lvia Comee. The crane

1119
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 17: has dropped the boat basically, in simple terms, it's at

1120
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 17: the cradle probably from about twenty feet three four.

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00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 18: Oh.

1122
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 17: Stop it is, I said, I wasn't going to complain.

1123
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 17: It is probably the where's call of the season.

1124
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 19: Sam has been incredible off the field for us and

1125
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 19: there's an opportunity for him to be tis fishing bitching

1126
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 19: we need in the hotel.

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Speaker 3: Sports tittle this evening, Elliott Smith Newstalks, he'd be rugby

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00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 3: commentator in joe Berg and Nikki steyras sports journalist. Hello

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00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 3: you too, good elliot. What's the time in joe Burg?

1130
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 20: It just gone half past seven in the morning, so

1131
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 20: Brad nearly and that before game day looking forward to it.

1132
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: You've been robbed yet.

1133
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 20: Not yet, So every day I talk it up on

1134
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 20: the board and say thank you for that. No, look,

1135
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 20: I'm thank you. Loving it here. I mean, you know

1136
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 20: you've got to take the track. The restrictions is as

1137
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 20: you know hither and you know, pretty stick close to

1138
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 20: your hotel as much as you can, but your hot scenery.

1139
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 11: But it's good. What was that where they put you?

1140
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: Where's your hotel?

1141
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 11: We're in Santon.

1142
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 3: Oh, everybody goes to Santon, but that's it's like a

1143
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 3: fifteen minute trip in Tallis Park, isn't it.

1144
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1145
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 11: I haven't been as yet, so keeping that one to

1146
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 11: a game day?

1147
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so have you got armored vehicle? Was like, what

1148
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 3: are you doing? You're not just going to be honing

1149
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: down in a taxi, are you?

1150
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 11: No, we're still well.

1151
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 20: Yeah, I wanted to don't want to give away my

1152
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 20: security arrangements, but yeah, we'll figure it out.

1153
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 11: I don't worry. Don't worry about that.

1154
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: Nick. Have you ever been there? I have.

1155
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 18: Actually I was there when the Black Cats played South

1156
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 18: Africa and the protest and I'm not gonna lie I was.

1157
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 18: I was sort of I was terrifying, yeah, because I sort.

1158
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 8: Of didn't know what I could and couldn't do.

1159
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 18: And I basically was just like I felt like I

1160
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 18: was in prison. I was just stuck in the hotel thinking, oh,

1161
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 18: I can't go out, I can't do anything. I'm going

1162
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 18: to be murdered. Of course I wasn't murder because I

1163
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 18: wouldn't be talking to you today. But I don't know

1164
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 18: how things have changed. But yes, I have definitely been there.

1165
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 18: But I'm a little bit jealous of Elliott right now.

1166
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: Ellia's doing a good job.

1167
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1168
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 3: Actually I almost got carjacked when I was there, so

1169
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 3: I might tell that story later on. But anyway, listen,

1170
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the America's Cup, Nikki. So

1171
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 3: the America's Cup boat got dropped by the crane. Are

1172
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 3: we stuffed or is it going to be fine?

1173
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 12: Oh?

1174
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 18: No, look it'll be fine. I think the good thing

1175
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 18: about it is when these things happen and you've got

1176
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 18: time on your side. You know, they've got an amazing

1177
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 18: crew of people and they will get that boat tie

1178
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 18: Hordle back up and running in time for the October

1179
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 18: America's Cup. What it does tell me, though, is it

1180
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 18: just shows the vulnerability of these vessels, you know, like

1181
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 18: they are so fragile, they are so finely tuned. You

1182
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 18: are only allowed one of them, so you don't need

1183
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 18: to stuff it up, and you would have to sit

1184
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 18: there and say, well, if it does drop, you know,

1185
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 18: if it does drop off its foils, if it does capsize,

1186
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 18: if it's sabotaged, whatever, this whole America's Cup can be

1187
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 18: turned on its head, you know, very quickly. And it

1188
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 18: makes me a little bit nervous about that going forward.

1189
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 3: Right, Elliott, how do you drop? How does a crane

1190
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 3: drop a boat?

1191
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 11: Yeah?

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00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 20: You think this would be that the one thing that

1193
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 20: you would make sure would not absolutely happen. Look, accidents

1194
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 20: do happen, I guess, but a crane dropping a boat

1195
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 20: just seems like one of those ones that you'd be

1196
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 20: ultimately protected against if you were Team New Zealand. And

1197
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 20: look at this is you know, the right timing is,

1198
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 20: as Nicki said, around this because they're only in the

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00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 20: Louis Vaitton series, it doesn't really matter how they race

1200
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 20: in these ones. It's the America's Cup officially that counts

1201
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 20: in a month or so's time. So timing is everything.

1202
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 20: But let's just hope the damage isn't too bad. You

1203
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 20: think back to the last time around and American Magic,

1204
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 20: who had that massive hole ripped in the side of

1205
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 20: the vessel, and basically that was put to their America's

1206
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 20: Cup dream really, so hopefully they get in there and

1207
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 20: figure out the damage isn't too bad and they can

1208
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 20: get on the water again in a few days time.

1209
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully So all right, guys, we have to talk

1210
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: about the All Blacks chances of Dallas Park. We'll do

1211
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: that next quarter two.

1212
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand southebys International Realty, unparallel

1213
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: reach and results right well.

1214
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 3: With Elliot Smith and Nicky Styris. Elliott, what do you reckon?

1215
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: How do you rate our chances against the spring Box?

1216
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: Oh?

1217
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 20: I think the All Blacks are certainly underdogs for this match.

1218
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 20: Home advantage for the spring Box have improved since last

1219
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 20: year's World Cup. I think the All Blacks still finding

1220
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 20: their feet under the new coaching regime, and we probably

1221
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 20: haven't seen the game plan or the breakout performance apart

1222
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 20: from maybe that one against Argentina, ecause you've met Eden

1223
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 20: Park that you'd want to see from this All Blacks team.

1224
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 20: So it is a daunting trip at the best of times,

1225
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 20: and when South Africa is in the kind of form

1226
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 20: that they are, They've added plenty of new things under

1227
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 20: Russia Rasmus since he's taken back charge of the team

1228
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 20: proper Tony Brown, the former All Black, adding.

1229
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 11: His touch as the attack coach.

1230
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 20: So they're definitely only improved South Africa and have built

1231
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 20: since last year's Will Kappa wouldn't rule the All Blacks out,

1232
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 20: but I certainly think they're going into this game is

1233
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 20: underdogs and need to deliver a pretty special performance to

1234
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 20: get the win on Sunday morning.

1235
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 18: Your time makes it exciting a Nikki, Oh look, I

1236
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 18: think however, you look at this match, it is mouthwatering

1237
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 18: Rassie versus Razor. I mean what more could you ask?

1238
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 18: It's a World Cup rematch that we haven't seen obviously

1239
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 18: since the World Cup. You know, we only lost by

1240
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 18: one point to them. We've only lost one last three

1241
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 18: out of the four head to head. It's going to

1242
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 18: be really close, So you can't You're not going to

1243
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 18: get a better lineup than this. What I would say is,

1244
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 18: I think the only thing really going in the favor

1245
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 18: of the All Blacks is the long list of injuries

1246
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 18: that perhaps the spring Box have suffered. Yes, they've got

1247
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 18: Xbith back on the bench, but they do have a

1248
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 18: big casualty ward. I think if the All Blacks can

1249
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 18: nullify the box more, they're going to be in with

1250
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 18: a good chance. You know they've got to beat them

1251
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 18: up front. Tomsie Williams, Cody Taylor, Torolo Max. They've got

1252
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 18: a big job on their hands. But you know I've

1253
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 18: got that alarm set Heather Bet you haven't. No, Oh,

1254
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 18: hell no, because.

1255
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: You've got a toddler.

1256
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 8: I don't have a toddler.

1257
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 16: I'm free this week.

1258
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 11: I don't even have anybody home.

1259
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 18: I might as well watch it.

1260
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 3: What happened to your whole family? Where have they gone?

1261
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 18: Oh? One's gone to Hamilton to meet the boyfriend and

1262
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 18: the other one's gone on a golf trip to do it.

1263
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 6: So how good?

1264
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: Cardier?

1265
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: Your place?

1266
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: Wait for those days where you just don't have to

1267
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 3: be up to make sure that somebody's alive. Do you

1268
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Listen this business with the Bunker? Ali,

1269
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 3: do you even get the chance to watch the Warriors?

1270
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 5: When you do?

1271
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 3: They even play the Warriors over there?

1272
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 11: No, there's no sign of the NRAL, doesn't doesn't seem

1273
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 11: to exist here.

1274
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: What happened to sound.

1275
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 11: The Bunker is a flawed concept.

1276
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 20: I think, honestly, I've been sort of trying to advocate

1277
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 20: for the removal of all TMO and sport. I think

1278
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 20: that's the way forward. I think we've gone far too

1279
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 20: far in one direction. I think I'd be willing to

1280
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 20: change it. I don't think the Warriors get a raw

1281
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 20: deal from the referees. I think that in all honestly,

1282
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 20: the refereeing standard in the NRL is just very, very poor,

1283
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 20: and so I think that's the problem. It's poor across.

1284
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 20: If you watch some of the other games across the weekend,

1285
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 20: there are some dreadful calls. So I think removing the

1286
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 20: bunker would be the first step. But I don't think

1287
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 20: the Warriors get a raw deal from the referees per se.

1288
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 3: Is this even a bunker problem, Nikki, because surely the

1289
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 3: ref standing right there watching RTS stumble around on his

1290
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 3: feet is more than capable of seeing something just happened.

1291
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1292
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 18: Look, I don't normally like to agree with the person

1293
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 18: I'm talking with, but I have to agree with Elliott

1294
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 18: on this occasion because he's spot on the actual standard

1295
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 18: of refereeing is not up to it, and unfortunately the

1296
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 18: bunker isn't up to it either. If you're going to

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Speaker 18: use technology, it has to be objective and they have

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Speaker 18: to get the decision right, and they are failing in this.

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Speaker 18: You cannot use subjective opinion within the use of technology,

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Speaker 18: So you cannot use mitigating circumstances. For instance, you can't

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Speaker 18: sit there and say that Sam Kaine's infringement was worse

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Speaker 18: than Sir Calisis and use mitigating circumstances. It must be

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Speaker 18: completely objective, so that.

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Speaker 3: And knock to the head, regardless of how it happened,

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Speaker 3: is a knock to the head and gets punished.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 18: If you're going to use technology, use it what it's

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Speaker 18: there for. It shows you the infringent frame by frame. Okay,

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Speaker 18: it is not subjective. It shouldn't be subjective, and unfortunately

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Speaker 18: I think that subjectivity has come into the bunker and

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Speaker 18: it's not right. Take all that aside, though, the NRL

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Speaker 18: bunker is atrocious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Aliet, this is why we like cricket

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01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 3: because you either struck the battle you didn't. You either

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Speaker 3: struck the pad or you didn't. You got caught or

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Speaker 3: you didn't. There's none others fluffing around nonsense that Nick's

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Speaker 3: talking about.

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Speaker 20: No, And I think cricket's the one sport where it

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Speaker 20: probably has got it as about as close to ride

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Speaker 20: as you will possibly get it. Yeah, and cricket, I

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01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 20: mean the hawky thing is that you know is not

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Speaker 20: entirely perfect. It's around perceived direction or predicted direction of

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Speaker 20: the of the ball and to the pad, et cetera.

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Speaker 20: But I think it's one of the sports where it's

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Speaker 20: closest to being correct. Run out not out, but it's

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Speaker 20: quick at You know, Rugby and rugby league have gone

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Speaker 20: in the search of perfection from the TMO, and there's

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Speaker 20: some sort of misguided belief that technology makes everything perfect

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Speaker 20: and you'll get one hundred percent. At the end of

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Speaker 20: the day, it's just another human sitting in a box.

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01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 20: They're just not at the ground. And so everyone thinks

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Speaker 20: this technology system of the bunker or the TMO is

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Speaker 20: going to make things one hundred percent perfect. You're striving perfection.

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Speaker 20: You're never going to get it. It's just another layer

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Speaker 20: of human eyes. And I think if you strip it

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Speaker 20: back that might be the answer.

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Speaker 3: Hey, look after you guys, Thank you both of you

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Speaker 3: and Elliott. Please take care out there and try to

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Speaker 3: get home safely. Elliott Smith News Talks he'd be rugby

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Speaker 3: commentator in Joe bugginneerest commentary the All Black spring Box

1341
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Speaker 3: Test live and free from three am on Sunday morning

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Speaker 3: on News Talk, Gold Sport and iHeartRadio, and then Nikki

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Speaker 3: Sarus obviously wonderful sports journalists seven away from six upon.

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your

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Speaker 1: car on your drive home, Heather duper c Allen drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News

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Speaker 1: Talk as z BE.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting an actual engineering like technical answer to

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Speaker 3: this question, but here we go. Hither you asked, how

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Speaker 3: does a crane drop a boat when lifting something? If

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01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 3: it doesn't have lifting lugs eyes, then you usually have

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01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 3: to use slings. Improper positioning all crane lifting can cause

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Speaker 3: items to slip out of the slings. Shouldn't happen, but

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Speaker 3: sometimes it does. She's I mean, that's a lot worse

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Speaker 3: than dropping that old Rugby trophy on the concrete floor

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Speaker 3: and Hawks Bay, isn't it. Everybody saw this one anyway,

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01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 3: great news for people planning on going to prison anytime soon.

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Speaker 3: They might be able to have a beard in there.

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize this, but if you go to prison

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Speaker 3: and you're on remand awaiting trial. You are not allowed

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Speaker 3: to grow a beard at the moment, and not unless

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Speaker 3: you've got explicit permission from I think like the prison

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Speaker 3: manager or something like that, which is weird that they

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Speaker 3: would have an interest in what's going on in your face.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, Corrections has now decided it might change the

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Speaker 3: rules because they're saying that evidential identification processes nowadays, as

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Speaker 3: in like other ways of identifying people DNA and stuff

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Speaker 3: like that, means that you probably don't need your remand

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Speaker 3: prisoner to look exactly where they're at trial exactly like

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Speaker 3: they did when they committed the alleged allegedly committed the crime.

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Speaker 3: So they could probably grow themselves a beard and stuff

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Speaker 3: like grow the hair out, do whatever they want to,

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01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 3: you know, get that mullet. They've always been wanting to

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Speaker 3: know that they've got all this time on their hands

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Speaker 3: and they reckon. Part of the reason is because you

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Speaker 3: remember the why Katy a Riots, part of that was

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Speaker 3: because of rules that didn't make any sense to the prisoners.

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Speaker 3: So they maybe will change it. So they have released

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Speaker 3: a consultation document looking for feedback and public submissions on

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Speaker 3: that close September thirty, so if you've got very strong

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Speaker 3: feelings about what should be happening with the old face

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Speaker 3: business in the jails, go for your life. If you're bored,

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Speaker 3: go for your life. More things, more signs that things

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Speaker 3: are on the improve. The am Z Roy Morgan Consumer

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Speaker 3: Confidence Index rose this month. Yes, I will take that,

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Speaker 3: thank you very much. So we've had the business confidence

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Speaker 3: go up, the consumer confidence go up, the ocr come down,

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Speaker 3: the mortgage traits come down. It's all good. It only

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Speaker 3: went up five points to the consumer confidence is still

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Speaker 3: well below average levels for the past decade. But it's

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Speaker 3: a hell of a lot worse than it was when

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Speaker 3: it was at its worst point. And people went asked

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Speaker 3: if they expected to be better off next year, and

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Speaker 3: net seventeen percent said yes. I think we all would

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Speaker 3: answer yes August next year, are all going to be

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Speaker 3: better off. I'll tell you my carjacking story in the

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Speaker 3: next half hour. A next up the boss of TV

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Speaker 3: and Z on where they're going to cut news togs,

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Speaker 3: it beat, that's the beasts.

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Speaker 2: What what's down? What we're to make your calls and

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Speaker 2: how will it affect the economy?

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Speaker 1: Business questions on the Business Hour, we're the duplicyl and

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Speaker 1: my Hr on News Talk SEB.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, the Canadians

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01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: are the latest to announce huge tariffs on Chinese ev imports.

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01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 3: Peter Lewis on that we're going to wrap the political

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Speaker 3: that the week that was with Barry Soaper and Gavin

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Speaker 3: Gray will be with us out of the UK. It's

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Speaker 3: coming up eight past six. Tv and Z has had

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Speaker 3: the tough financial year that we expected that they would.

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Speaker 3: They have plunged to a net loss of eighty five

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Speaker 3: million dollars for the year to June. The state broadcaster

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Speaker 3: is bleeding cash, declining revenues and high costs to to blame,

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Speaker 3: and even after acting Sunday and fair Go earlier in

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Speaker 3: the year, it's still having to find more savings to

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Speaker 3: the tune of thirty million dollars and fast. Jody O'Connell

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Speaker 3: O'Donnell Ruther is TVNZ's chief chief executive. Hey, Jody, this

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Speaker 3: is massive, isn't it.

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Speaker 21: It is a big glass.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it would be even if it was just a

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01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 3: one off it would be a big loss. But you

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Speaker 3: have to find another thirty millionaires, we've said, and you

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Speaker 3: need to do it fast. How fast?

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Speaker 21: Well, whilst it's a big gloss Heather. We're indicated two

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Speaker 21: months ago that it would be significant, And just before

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Speaker 21: I answered that first question, just kind of to break

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Speaker 21: down the loss. Whilst's an eighty five million dollar loss overall,

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Speaker 21: that's an EBIT loss of twenty eight point five million

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Speaker 21: dollars and a sixty two million non cash and payment.

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Speaker 21: So what that means in terms of cash in the

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Speaker 21: bank is that we've depleted our cash reserves by seven

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Speaker 21: point four million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which means you've got a fair amount still in there.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: How fast do you need to find the thirty.

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Speaker 21: Mil Well, what we signaled is we need to find

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Speaker 21: it in the next twelve months. So if we did nothing,

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Speaker 21: I'd be sitting here in twelve months time and having

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Speaker 21: a similar conversation around what an end of year result

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Speaker 21: would be. So that's why I've been really transparent and

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01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 21: publicly said with our people that we need to find

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Speaker 21: a thirty million dollars earnings gap, which is either an

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01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 21: increase of revenue of thirty million dollars or a savings

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Speaker 21: of cost for thirty million dollars, or a combination of

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Speaker 21: those things.

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Speaker 3: What's going on is the advertising revenue just falling again.

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Speaker 21: The market has been really hot, and particularly in the

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Speaker 21: television market, so we've seen significant declines in our linear

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01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 21: TV revenue, but the green shoots are in our digital

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01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,839
Speaker 21: platform TVs Plus, so we've had an eight percent revenue

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01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 21: growth in that space, and we know that that's actually

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 21: really strong in this market.

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01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 3: Okay, how are you going to find this money? Because

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01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I see that you cutting the programs, which

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01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 3: you've done only saved you ten million, So that looks

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01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 3: to me like you're going to have to do another

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01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 3: round of this.

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Speaker 21: The ten million dollar costs that we saved over the

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Speaker 21: last twelve months with a combination of things. So yes,

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Speaker 21: there was the people changes and the program changes, but

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Speaker 21: there was also other things that we'd made earlier in

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Speaker 21: the year. So what we're doing is we're at the

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01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 21: idea stage. We're asking for all of our staff to

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Speaker 21: present ideas to us that either increase our revenue or

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Speaker 21: decrease our costs.

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Speaker 3: Can you rule out cutting programs.

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Speaker 21: I can't rule anything out.

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Speaker 3: Can you rule out cutting staff?

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Speaker 21: I can't rule any of that out.

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Speaker 3: Everything is on the table.

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Speaker 21: There are no decisions that have been made. We are

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Speaker 21: only at the idea stage.

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you even have that many more programs

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Speaker 3: to cut that are locally made and that are that expensive.

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Speaker 21: We spend over half of our content budget on local

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01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 21: content across news and current affairs and also local shows.

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Speaker 3: And how much more expensive it is it than just

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Speaker 3: buying something from overseas.

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Speaker 21: Well, there's no exact science in terms of how much

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Speaker 21: more expensive local content is, but it can be anywhere

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Speaker 21: between five and ten times more expensive than a piece

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Speaker 21: of international contents.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this is where you make your savings as

1484
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 3: you cut the local stuff. All right, are you seeing

1485
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 3: any indication that the advertising market is starting to pick

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01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 3: up or is it just that it's still falling. It's

1487
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Speaker 3: just not falling as fast.

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01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 21: It's still falling, but it's just not falling, Jody.

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Speaker 3: How long is it going to fall for?

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Speaker 21: I think at least to the next of the end

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Speaker 21: of this calendar year. Yeah, but within that I will

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01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 21: say again, our digital revenue is growing and we've only

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01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 21: just started our new financial year. But it's double digit gross.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is pittons compared to what you make

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01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 3: off the big TV advertising, right, So what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 21: It is, but it does support our strategy in the

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Speaker 21: sense that actually this is the right strategy in terms

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Speaker 21: of Digital Plus. We can see that there is a

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Speaker 21: path to profitability, and so that's now we need to

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Speaker 21: really double down this year and transform the organization as

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01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 21: quickly as we can and shift all of those costs

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Speaker 21: out of our broadcast part of the business and shift

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Speaker 21: them into our digital plasus.

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Speaker 3: Are you sure that what you're seeing in the fall

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01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 3: off and advertising on tally is not forever?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: Are you sure it's going to plateau and recover ever again?

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Speaker 21: Well, there's two things that give me hope. Those two

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Speaker 21: things are that where the Audience's report came out this

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Speaker 21: week and actually pointed really clearly that New Zealanders love

1512
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 21: watching TV. In fact, sixty percent of all New Zealanders

1513
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 21: are still watching TV every single day. The second thing

1514
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 21: was just last night we had Day one of the

1515
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 21: Paralympics and over a million people tuned into TVNZ one

1516
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 21: to watch that. Yeah, so that makes it clear that

1517
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 21: actually we absolutely do have the content and as long

1518
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 21: as the strategy is implemented, well, then I do see

1519
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 21: your way through this.

1520
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 3: Okay, So if you put a paywall on TVNZ plus,

1521
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 3: which just clearly what you're planning to do. How much

1522
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 3: would people pay for what you're selling.

1523
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 21: That's one of the options that we're looking at, and I.

1524
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 3: Think would be the same as Netflix.

1525
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 21: I think we'd need to test and learn. To be honest,

1526
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 21: I'm not sure there's a enough scale in this market

1527
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 21: to be there for there to be multiple subscription services.

1528
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 21: But I do think there might be opportunities on a

1529
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 21: pay per view option or for specific con So there's

1530
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 21: a raft of options that we could look at in

1531
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 21: that space. But clearly we have to divest far revenue.

1532
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:06,560
Speaker 3: Right, So you might sell me a rugby game for

1533
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 3: twenty bucks, let's just say, rather than me subscribing to

1534
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 3: your sports content across the year.

1535
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:11,879
Speaker 21: That's one of the options.

1536
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, And are you sure about the sports play, Jody,

1537
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,440
Speaker 3: It's freaking me out. Sport is expensive.

1538
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 21: Sport is expensive, and clearly we will only be able

1539
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 21: to operate in the sports space if it's commercially viable.

1540
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 21: So we know Key's love it, we know it's what

1541
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 21: brings them into platforms, so we absolutely want to get

1542
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 21: amongst it. But from that perspective, we have to make

1543
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 21: commercial decisions around you.

1544
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 3: Do you know what I watched Colin from Accounts on TVMZ.

1545
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 3: Isn't that awesome? Fantastic? Why did I not know you've

1546
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: got this good content? Well, you have so much good content.

1547
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 3: You've got the Priscilla movie. Where's the advertising? Where's the marketing?

1548
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 21: One point four million Kries are watching tv Z plus

1549
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 21: every week?

1550
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 12: Here?

1551
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 21: Where have you been?

1552
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 3: I don't know on the others? Do you know, like

1553
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 3: if I feel like this is your problem? Actually you

1554
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 3: have better content than people realize. And I would pay

1555
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 3: for it if you charged me.

1556
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 21: Okay, excellent, Well we've started to started here to.

1557
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 3: Great Jody, thank you always. I really appreciate it. Time

1558
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 3: always for coming in. There's Jody o'donald Tvanz's chief executive. Hey,

1559
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 3: I'm on Fletcher quickly. Whoh man, the bad news does

1560
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 3: not stop for Fletcher Building. Now they've just been picked

1561
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty eight million dollars for that leaky

1562
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 3: pipe issue in Perth. Remember how they were like, that's

1563
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 3: not a big deal, Nana, only sixteen million bucks. Maybe

1564
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 3: that's like the top end times by ten. Basically, what's

1565
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 3: happening is they're going Cheresi's with the Western Australian government

1566
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 3: to fix this stuff. It's been bursting up in the

1567
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 3: ceiling in people's houses. When we in New Zealand have

1568
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 3: the pipes downstairs underneath the floor so and cause as

1569
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 3: much damage. But in Australia up in the ceiling and

1570
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 3: the water goes everywhere. So Fletcher's paying eighty percent. Western

1571
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 3: Australia is paying twenty percent to fix the pipes. Got

1572
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 3: to repair all the damage that's happened to the house

1573
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,879
Speaker 3: as result of the pipes bursting. And in some cases

1574
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 3: while they're doing a full repipe like our full repipe

1575
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 3: for the houses, they have to also pay for the

1576
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 3: temporary accommodation for the homeowners. Sounds also like there may

1577
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 3: be another financial problem, which is class action which is

1578
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 3: being taken over it. So yeah, not a fun time

1579
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:07,799
Speaker 3: to be working there. Fourteen past six.

1580
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's headed duplicuicy

1581
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: ellen with the business hours. Thanks to my HR, the

1582
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on newstalksb is.

1583
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 3: It possible the team whose success story has maybe had

1584
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 3: a bit of a speed bump. Peter Lewis is going

1585
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 3: to talk us through that when he's with us after

1586
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 3: half past six. We'll wrap the political week that was

1587
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 3: now with our senior political correspondent, Barry Soaper. Welcome back, Barry,

1588
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 3: Hello again here then Okay, Look, hindsight is a beautiful thing.

1589
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 3: But in hindsight, so the Greens ever have gone here

1590
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 3: with Darlene because this is costing them a lot.

1591
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 14: Well, I don't think they certainly could have foreseen what

1592
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 14: was going to happen. Yeah, and they you know, the

1593
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 14: Greens at nothing else, they represent the underprivileged. And the

1594
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 14: allegation here was that and somehow the bike shop that

1595
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 14: her husband owned was floiting migrants. Now that is totally

1596
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 14: against the Green's code of ethics. So I guess they

1597
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 14: had to look into it. When they looked into it,

1598
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 14: we haven't. I haven't seen the full report. I haven't

1599
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 14: read the full report.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think it's I think it's

1601
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 3: the kind of outcome that they could have gone either

1602
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 3: way on, right, because it doesn't prove that she was

1603
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 3: involved in it. It just proved that there's a chance

1604
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 3: that she knew. But Barry, if they had a chance

1605
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 3: to do this again, do you reckon they would try

1606
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 3: to kick her out Given the trouble she's causing them.

1607
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 14: Well, I think because this was made public, it was

1608
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 14: in the public arena, they actually had to do something

1609
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 14: and to sit on their hands is they have done

1610
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 14: in previous cases and not disciplined members of Parliament. And

1611
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 14: the one that springs to mind is the Garriman case.

1612
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 14: I mean, they knew about that well in advance.

1613
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 3: They It's almost like they were forced to do something

1614
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 3: to Darlene given that they had they had dicked around

1615
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 3: with so many of their other entries in in the past. Yeah,

1616
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 3: I just wonder if they regret it now, because boy,

1617
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 3: it's causing them a lot long.

1618
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 14: I'm sure they'll regret it, and they'll regret it for

1619
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 14: some time to come, because it's not over yet. There's

1620
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 14: still a lot of water to go under that particular breakin.

1621
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 3: I don't see any problem with getting everybody to pay

1622
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 3: the rucks and scrap the fuel tax.

1623
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 14: Well, that's right, and plan't pay tolls on roads, of course,

1624
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 14: But when you think of the road user charges, it's

1625
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 14: a more equitable system because at the moment you've got

1626
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 14: high powered, energy efficient cars on the road and you've

1627
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 14: got the old bangers that use more fuel. So people

1628
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 14: that have got the old bangers, and they're normally the

1629
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 14: Philly underprivileged. They are paying too much, paying too much

1630
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 14: for the petrol. Yeah, and so it is an inequitable system.

1631
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 14: But look, road tolling is inevitable. If they want to

1632
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,560
Speaker 14: get the infrastructure built that they say they're going to

1633
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 14: get built, then they need public private partnerships and that's

1634
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 14: the only way to go. So that means road tolls

1635
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 14: as soon as twenty twenty seven, that's only a few

1636
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 14: years from now.

1637
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 13: They say that.

1638
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 14: Fuel tax should be gone, Well, you know that's twelve

1639
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 14: cents or seventy five cents a later. At the moment

1640
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 14: in twenty twenty seven, it'll be another twelve cents. So

1641
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 14: you know it keeps going up, and so will road

1642
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 14: user chargers. So the motorists is going to be no

1643
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 14: better off. The only way I guess to be better

1644
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 14: off is take to the two wheelers by bicycle.

1645
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, bicycle, Barry. Do you think just on this Mardi

1646
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 3: sovereignty issue and whether the EWE who signed EWE leaders

1647
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,799
Speaker 3: who signed the treaty in eighteen forty actually seeded sovereignty.

1648
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 3: Can you remember a time in your career where you've

1649
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: had the leaders of the two major parties have completely

1650
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 3: opposite views and firm views. Chippy says they didn't seed sovereignty.

1651
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 3: Hipkins Luxon says they did seed sovereignty. Can you remember

1652
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 3: this happening before.

1653
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 14: Well, no, it's a very difficult situation for I think

1654
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 14: more so for labor because it's the Whitanui Tribunal that

1655
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 14: came out with its report that said that the treaty

1656
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 14: essentially retained the complete authority over their land and the

1657
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 14: people and the territories. But that is in dispute because

1658
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 14: if you look at the meaning of national sovereignty, that's

1659
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 14: the ability of a governor to govern. Now, Mary didn't

1660
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 14: in eighteen forty, from my knowledge, say that they wanted

1661
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 14: to have a separate government from the crown, and so

1662
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 14: you know, I think Chris Luxon, even though he was

1663
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 14: forced into saying it in Parliament a couple of weeks ago,

1664
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 14: said that they did see sovereignty. And it's one of

1665
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 14: those arguments that will go on forever. No doubt they

1666
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 14: will say that's the Paquia view.

1667
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 3: Anybody's going to be convinced to change their view on this. No,

1668
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 3: it's one of those ones, right, that's exactly.

1669
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 14: But I think it should be settled for once and

1670
01:18:59,400 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 14: for all.

1671
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 11: And dear, I say, sorry, we've just.

1672
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 3: Lost you there, Barry. But anyway, hopefully we'll get you.

1673
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 3: We'll try to get Barry back. That's Barry's sober senior

1674
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 3: political correspondent, rapping the political week that was hither. Regarding

1675
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 3: the gangs, I was driving home today peak our traffickings,

1676
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 3: holding a cameraon road with my fifteen year old daughter.

1677
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 3: We stopped at the lights. A car full of black

1678
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 3: powers in front of us. One of them gets out,

1679
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 3: has a whizz on the side of the road, gets

1680
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 3: back in the car, lights turn green and we drive off.

1681
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 3: Thought of calling the cops, then thought, yeah, right, like

1682
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 3: they would turn up. Maybe they were on their way

1683
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 3: to Totaling a city council for a meeting. That's from Mike.

1684
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 3: I don't would you call the cops for a gang

1685
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 3: member having a week to be fair, Mark, I mean,

1686
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 3: that's just bad behave, that's just bad manners old way

1687
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 3: over there wasn't It wasn't raised very well. But no,

1688
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 3: you don't want to be wasting the cops time on

1689
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 3: a Wii. He wasn't doing anything. They could get up

1690
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 3: to a whole lot worse six twenty three.

1691
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro microme for just playing economics.

1692
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1693
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: and my HR, the HR platform for sme US.

1694
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 3: Talks b here the holy heck you cut Barry off

1695
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 3: over you just like see an end. That's right, That's

1696
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 3: exactly what happened. We were I was like, I don't

1697
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 3: like where he's saying any more. Cut Come on now,

1698
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 3: it's a technical issue with the fair and six twenty five,

1699
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 3: Oh the carjacking down. Okay, this is why I'm so

1700
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 3: worried about Elliott. And I'm serious. I hope that we've

1701
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 3: taken out some life insurance on him. Actually while he's

1702
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 3: in joe Burg. When I went to joe Burg the

1703
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 3: very last time, I hate joe Burger. I really I

1704
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 3: don't know why people live in a place like joe Burg.

1705
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 3: There's no ocean, there's no mountains. Why do you look

1706
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 3: like there was once upon a time there was some

1707
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 3: guld and so everybody's basically stuck there. Anyway, When I

1708
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 3: went to Joeburg years ago for the very last time,

1709
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 3: and we'll not be going back there, I was traveling

1710
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 3: with a husband and a friend. Now, I've been to

1711
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 3: Essay lots of times, obviously because that's where my family

1712
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 3: comes from on my mom's side, So you got to

1713
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 3: go back and do the pilgrimage and stuff. Anyway, the

1714
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 3: friend came with us, and my husband said to her,

1715
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 3: do you want to see the most dangerous part of

1716
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 3: joe Burg? And she was like yes, meaning no, but

1717
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 3: he heard yes. So we drove through a place called

1718
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 3: hell And the trouble is we timed it really badly.

1719
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 3: And also he's a key. We driving a car, right,

1720
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 3: so you don't drive like you've got to be. You've

1721
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 3: got to drive like a Safa. And I will explain

1722
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: the cin a minute. Anyway, so we're driving through and

1723
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 3: we got stuck in a traffic jam in Hellbrow in

1724
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 3: rush hour traffic, and this guy in a lorry spots

1725
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 3: that I have a cell phone in my hand, and

1726
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 3: so I'm trying to hide it in the car. But

1727
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 3: what I don't realize is my husband sees the guy's

1728
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 3: jumped out of the car, out of the lorry and

1729
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 3: he's disappeared into the crowd. And next minute, right I'm

1730
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 3: all I hear is my husband's window going down and

1731
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 3: I looked over. I was like, what the hell are

1732
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 3: you doing? Which is the wrong thing to do, just

1733
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 3: to an idiot winding down his window in Hillbrow because

1734
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 3: he looked at me, which meant that the guy who

1735
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 3: had indicated there's something wrong with your tire, which made

1736
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 3: him wind down the window. That guy then put his

1737
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 3: hand in and started winding down the window further. That

1738
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 3: guy then launched himself across my husband's lap and went

1739
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 3: for my cell phone. And stupidly, what I should have

1740
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 3: done was just give him the cell phone, but I

1741
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 3: was like, no, I want my cell phone, and I

1742
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 3: sort of fled like a little girl. And fortunately my

1743
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 3: husband redeemed himself by punching the guy's square in the

1744
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 3: nose and he fell out and we managed to get away.

1745
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 3: But then they chased us in the car. And this

1746
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 3: is where you have to drive like a South African

1747
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 3: when you're in South Africa, not like a Kiwi. I

1748
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 3: said to my husband, go against the just go down

1749
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 3: the wrong side of the road and turn down that road.

1750
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 3: And he wouldn't. He flat out refused. He was like, no,

1751
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 3: the rules, no, the road rules. I can't. I was,

1752
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, anyway, So I was quite angry for

1753
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 3: some time after that and also shaken. I think we

1754
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 3: all were. We're fine though none of us got hurt,

1755
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 3: so it's the most important thing. So anyway, Yeah, good

1756
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 3: luck Elliott's.

1757
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 22: Peter Lewis is with us shortly, everything from SMS to

1758
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 22: the big corporates, the Business Hour with Heather Dupless Ellen

1759
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 22: and my HR, the HR platform for SME US talk,

1760
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 22: sa'd be.

1761
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 13: Together.

1762
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 11: I grew up in joe Berg.

1763
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 3: I lived there for forty years and then described it

1764
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 3: with a swear word that I'm not allowed to say

1765
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 3: on air. Worst square word in the square word. Whole

1766
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 3: shy hole. That's what it was in the world. And

1767
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 3: you know what, I don't know if it's the worst

1768
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 3: in the world, but it's right up there, isn't it.

1769
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 3: Gavin Gray is going to be a US in about

1770
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 3: ten minutes. Yeah, so we want to know what's going

1771
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 3: on with the Telegram boss. This is the one who

1772
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 3: took us top off and then wrapped himself and that

1773
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 3: remember I was telling you in the black scarf, who

1774
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 3: has a surprisingly amazing body for basically a tech nerd

1775
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 3: who's in a bit of trouble in Paris. Hill update

1776
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 3: us Scavin will on what's going on. I can tell

1777
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 3: you very quickly Oasis has the tide has turned very

1778
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 3: quickly on Oasis because people are not happy about what

1779
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 3: they're charging for the tickets. So the cheapest tickets to

1780
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 3: go and see Oasis is one hundred and fifty three

1781
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 3: New Zealand dollars. Now, that's not going to be a

1782
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 3: good ticket. That's going to be a really bad ticket.

1783
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 3: The most expensiveickets are one thousand and sixty four dollars.

1784
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 3: They include merchandise, they include access to a pre show party.

1785
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean os it's going to be at the party.

1786
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 3: You're just going to a party. You can't organize your

1787
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 3: own party go to that one. Standard ticketing right, so

1788
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 3: standard standing tickets cost about three hundred and fifteen New

1789
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 3: Zealand dollars. It's being described as extortionate. It's being described

1790
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 3: as setting up Nolan Liam's good pension fund. And by comparison,

1791
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 3: the tickets to see Taylor Swift Peak absolutely had a

1792
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 3: cap of four hundred and seven New Zealand dollars. You

1793
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 3: could see this is on the high side, but then

1794
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 3: again it's a one off, right, You're not going to

1795
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 3: see it like OAS is not going to reform every

1796
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 3: single day twenty three away from seven.

1797
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Speaker 2: Heather D.

1798
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Speaker 3: Lewis is our Asia business corresponding with US out of

1799
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 3: Hong Kong. Hey, Peter, Good evening. Now, what do we

1800
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 3: make of Jake Sullivan meeting with Chijinping. Is this a surprise?

1801
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 19: I think it was on the cards, although it wasn't

1802
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 19: confirmed right until the very end of his trip. Is

1803
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 19: partly a sort of term meeting because when China's Farm

1804
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 19: Secretary Wang Yi was in the US in Washington, he

1805
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,879
Speaker 19: met with President Biden. So I think this is President

1806
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 19: She's paying back the compliments here meeting with Jake Sullivan.

1807
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:18,440
Speaker 19: They didn't say anything really that was new or substantial.

1808
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 19: President she said that they want the US and China

1809
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 19: to be what he said was a stable source of

1810
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 19: world peace, and he said he was committed to having

1811
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 19: a US China relationship that was stable and unchanged. All

1812
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 19: the things he's been.

1813
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:36,719
Speaker 2: Saying all along.

1814
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Speaker 19: Jake Sullivan was saying that it's very important to the

1815
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 19: US to keep lines of communication with China open so

1816
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 19: that their conflicts doesn't are the disagreements don't veer into

1817
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 19: open conflicts and to that end, he had a very

1818
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 19: rare meeting with a top Chinese army in general, it's

1819
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 19: the first time that there's been any meetings with the

1820
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 19: Beijing military for about six years, so that was sort

1821
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 19: of significance. But I think at the end of the day,

1822
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 19: the big question is is anything going to change in

1823
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 19: terms of the relationship between the US and China and

1824
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 19: the US's approach to China, And I think you have

1825
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 19: to watch what the US does rather than what it says.

1826
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,679
Speaker 19: It sensily wants to have a healthy relationship with the US,

1827
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 19: but in many ways, it's waging economic war on China

1828
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 19: on many, many different fronts. It's really trying to hold

1829
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 19: back China's development, particularly in the high tech area. It's

1830
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,799
Speaker 19: putting tariffs on a whole loads of goods and products,

1831
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,799
Speaker 19: it's putting sanctions on others. Nearly every single major Chinese

1832
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 19: tech company has got some sort of sanction on it

1833
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 19: at the moment, which means that both the US and

1834
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 19: its allies can't sell American products that China needs to

1835
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 19: develop this tech industry, and there's no sign of that

1836
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 19: changing at all.

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01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 3: Both sides have agreed to hold these video calls between

1838
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,640
Speaker 3: the military theater commanders, right, is this a first or

1839
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 3: is this a continuation of something they're already doing.

1840
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 19: It used to be done, but it hasn't been done

1841
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 19: for quite a few years now, and since sur shooting,

1842
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 19: Ping sort of took over. So again, it's one of

1843
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 19: those things where is the US that is very very

1844
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 19: keen on keeping these lines of communication open. The Chinese

1845
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 19: leadership is less sure about this. They sort of say, well,

1846
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 19: what's the point of keeping these lines of communication open

1847
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 19: when all you do is after we've spoken, you then

1848
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 19: go and do something else to try and damage us.

1849
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 19: So they think that these discussions should have a purpose,

1850
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 19: and the purpose should be to try and improve relations

1851
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 19: and remove some of these areas of disagreement. But the

1852
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 19: US doesn't show much sign of doing that. I think

1853
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 19: part of the problem is that there are some really clear,

1854
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 19: almost intractable differences between the US and China and areas

1855
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 19: such as the South China Sea, where China claims almost

1856
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 19: ninety percent of the South China scene right up and

1857
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 19: sort of borders of several countries in the areas, including

1858
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 19: the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan, So that's an issue. Taiwan is

1859
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 19: another issue that is really a big intractable problem, and

1860
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 19: several of these have the potential to dangerously veer off

1861
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 19: into some sort of conflict, I would say, particularly the

1862
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 19: stat that's going on at the moment between China and

1863
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 19: the Philippines, where fishing vessels are getting rammed almost on

1864
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 19: a daily basis, there is potential for these things to

1865
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 19: go horribly wrong.

1866
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Speaker 3: Peter, what's going wrong for Timu's parent company?

1867
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 19: Well, yes, this is interesting. PDD Holdings basically sort of

1868
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 19: missed its earnings expectations, gave out a profit warning, said

1869
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 19: it was suffering from severe competition in China that was

1870
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 19: going to affect its earnings going forward. PDD Holding shares

1871
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,680
Speaker 19: collapsed almost by a third York at the beginning of

1872
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 19: the week. It is a big shock because even though

1873
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 19: we know that the consumer is pulling in the horns,

1874
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 19: the one area where the consumer still seem to be

1875
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 19: spending quite robustly was in these discount stores and looking

1876
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 19: for cost conscious sort of products, which is right up

1877
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 19: the streets of PDD. It has been Dodo in mainland China.

1878
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 19: It has Temu internationally, which cater for are cost conscious

1879
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 19: sort of Chinese shopper. So if these types of firms

1880
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 19: are almost us struggling, it sort of bends the question

1881
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 19: world just how bad is the situation amongst the consumer

1882
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 19: each China we suspects a lot worse than we're being told.

1883
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 19: And also if a firm like PDD can't compete, then

1884
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 19: who exactually can compete in China.

1885
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a little worrying actually to hear. Peter listen,

1886
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 3: thank you very much as always for talking us through

1887
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 3: the stuff. We'll talk to you again in a week's time.

1888
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 3: It's Peter Lewis, our Asia Business correspondent out of Hong

1889
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 3: Kong for US. Gavin Gray next, and yeah, Wellington City Council.

1890
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 3: We haven't talked enough about them this week, so there's

1891
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 3: another one for you. Come and write at your shortly

1892
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 3: seventeen away from seven.

1893
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1894
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with hither duplicy Ellen and my HR

1895
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME US talks.

1896
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 3: They'd be Kevin Gray, UK correspondent with US A Gvin

1897
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 3: Hi then okay, Evan so Germany's response to that stabbing

1898
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 3: the other days they want a knife? Ben, How's this

1899
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 3: going to work?

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01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1901
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:34,560
Speaker 7: I think it's a very complicated thing to try and

1902
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 7: bring in and I think they're really still thrashing around

1903
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 7: trying to work out how to do it. But this

1904
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 7: is all because of that stabbing in which that was

1905
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 7: in West Germany, and it really did lead many people

1906
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 7: in Germany. It's a Syrian refugee is the main suspect.

1907
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:54,879
Speaker 7: It led many to question their asylum policy, their refugee policy,

1908
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 7: and it comes shortly before two states go into elections

1909
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 7: at the weekend, their Eastern states, and it is said

1910
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 7: that the far right alternative for Germany is riding high

1911
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 7: in the palls. Indeed, after that stabbing in Solingen where

1912
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 7: three were left dead, one of the parties suggested that

1913
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 7: they should stop taking refugees from Afghanistan and Syria, but

1914
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 7: the AfD said, actually, we should stop taking refugees for stop.

1915
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 7: That isn't the official policy of the party, but that

1916
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 7: was one of their leaders, and that of course would

1917
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 7: fly in the face of everything that the EU is

1918
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 7: currently standing for. So how this plan is going to

1919
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 7: work is going to be very very difficult. Knives are

1920
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 7: banned at most public events, including markets and sport, as

1921
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 7: well as public transport, and now there's going to be

1922
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 7: a blanket ban on flick knives, and foreigners will be

1923
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 7: ordered to leave. That foreigners who are ordered to leave

1924
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 7: the country will have to be deported more quickly and

1925
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 7: more efficiently. And anyone facing a jail term for knife

1926
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 7: crime would face fast deportation if they were an asylum

1927
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 7: seeker with it in Germany. So they are trying to

1928
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,480
Speaker 7: do something about it. But whether this measure, these suggestions

1929
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 7: will sway the voters in the East Germany is another matter.

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01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 3: How I mean, just on a practical level, how do

1931
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 3: you figure out if somebody's got a knife? I mean,

1932
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 3: the problem with it is that they're so easy to conceal.

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Speaker 3: So would you be doing something like at certain events,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, metal detection or something like that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And they do have them in concerts here and

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Speaker 7: across the EU, these sort of airport style scanners, but

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Speaker 7: also in streets of course here in the UK and

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Speaker 7: other countries you have stop and search powers. The problem

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Speaker 7: with those as well has been that many people have

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Speaker 7: certain ethnic minorities feel they are being discriminated against. And

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Speaker 7: indeed the figures of how who is stop and search

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Speaker 7: showed that they are disproportionately stopped. But the police are

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Speaker 7: saying where they stop because we think they've got a

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Speaker 7: knife or we think they might have a knife. So

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Speaker 7: you know, it's a very very difficult argument to do.

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Speaker 7: But stop and search has been actually a very successful

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Speaker 7: thing here in the UK. Police have managed to take

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Speaker 7: into custody a lot of knives and individuals.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Okay, so what's the letters By the way with

1950
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Speaker 3: the telegram boss, he's getting.

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Speaker 7: Told you have got to stay in France. So this

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Speaker 7: is Pavel d'uov. He's now been placed under a formal

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Speaker 7: investigation in France as part of a probe into organized

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Speaker 7: crime on the messaging app. The thirty nine year old

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Speaker 7: has not been remanded in custody, but placed under what's

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Speaker 7: called judicial supervision. He's also had to pay a ten

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Speaker 7: million New Zealand dollar deposit. He's Russian born, of course,

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Speaker 7: a billionaire, but he is also a French national and

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Speaker 7: now he has to show up at a French police

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Speaker 7: station twice a week and has been banned from leaving

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Speaker 7: the country. And this is all under alleged offenses that

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Speaker 7: include complicity in the administration of an online platform to

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Speaker 7: enable illicit transactions by organized gangs. The refusal to communicate

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Speaker 7: with the authorities and complicity in organized criminal distribution of

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Speaker 7: sexual images of children. It appears France believes that they

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Speaker 7: do have a case against him.

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Speaker 3: Kevin, she's marrying the shaman.

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Speaker 11: I wondered if you'd be I know.

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Speaker 2: So this is Princess Martin Louis.

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Speaker 7: She is the eldest daughter of the current King and

1971
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Speaker 7: Queen of Norway, and now she's marrying what might be

1972
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Speaker 7: described as a very very controversial figure, a self styled

1973
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Speaker 7: shaman called Durich Derek Verret. The celebrations have begun in

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Speaker 7: the town of Allison, Western Norway for a meet and

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Speaker 7: greet in a historic hotel. To put a bit of

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Speaker 7: context to her. Martin Luise fifty two years old, Derek

1977
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Speaker 7: Verett forty nine year old. She's a former equestrian, but

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Speaker 7: she's also long attracted controversy for her involvement in alternative treatments.

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Speaker 7: She lost her titled the Royal Highness so she could

1980
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Speaker 7: start her own business. She then said that she had

1981
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Speaker 7: taught students to create miracles and talk to angels, and

1982
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Speaker 7: in an interview last year with the BBC, she said

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Speaker 7: there've been so much turmoil concerning her decision to take

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Speaker 7: a different path that of a traditional role, that she's

1985
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Speaker 7: decided to drop that title. But she says, I'm very

1986
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Speaker 7: spiritual and in Norway that is taboo. It'll be a

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Speaker 7: very interesting.

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Speaker 3: Wedding, interesting times. Gavin, thank you very much. Appreciate it

1989
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Speaker 3: this Kevin great enjoy your weekend, Kevin Gray, our UK correspondent.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Derek the Shaman, Derek spells his name

1991
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Speaker 3: du are Eka because ain't nothing conventional about this guy.

1992
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Speaker 3: Nine away from seven.

1993
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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro, MicroB or just playing economics.

1994
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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen

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Speaker 1: and my HR, the HR platform for sme US talk

1996
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Speaker 1: Zip hither.

1997
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Speaker 3: If you're traveling in joe Burg, what you need is

1998
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Speaker 3: a can of fly spray in your car because you

1999
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Speaker 3: can use against the attackers and the attacking dogs. That's

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Speaker 3: not stupid and I appreciate that. Thank you. Hey, get

2001
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Speaker 3: a load of this. This is amazing. This bird, called

2002
01:35:55,880 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 3: the northern bald iris our Ibis ibis has been distinct

2003
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Speaker 3: in Europe in Central Europe for three hundred years and

2004
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Speaker 3: the scientists have brought it back from extinction. But the

2005
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 3: problem is if you've been extinct for three hundred years,

2006
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Speaker 3: you don't know how to do your life anymore. So

2007
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 3: they don't remember how to fly their migration path from

2008
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Speaker 3: Austria to Spain. So the humans are flying it in

2009
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Speaker 3: an ultra light for them, and then the birds follow them.

2010
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Speaker 3: They trust the human enough to actually follow the stupid

2011
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Speaker 3: little mechanical thing in the air and fly with the human.

2012
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Speaker 3: They fly for fifty days. It's the seventeenth year that

2013
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Speaker 3: they've been doing it. How cool is that? Okay, so

2014
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:36,959
Speaker 3: here's from cool to not cool. How about this Wellington council.

2015
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Speaker 3: Do you remember that Reading deal, the Reading Cinema's deal

2016
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Speaker 3: where they were basically going to subsidize it was ridiculous.

2017
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Speaker 3: I'm going to subsidize a NASDAC listed company. It was

2018
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Speaker 3: one of my favorite stupid ideas of all time. Anyway,

2019
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Speaker 3: do you remember how the council and Tory the mayor,

2020
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Speaker 3: refuse to talk about it all of the time because

2021
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Speaker 3: they it's confidential, it's confidential, it's confidential. Well was it confidential?

2022
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Speaker 2: Because I don't think it was.

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Speaker 3: It turns out Tory just didn't want to have a

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Speaker 3: SmackDown in public. The media have got their hands on

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Speaker 3: some documents that show that just before the council actually

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Speaker 3: voted on this, the council's chief financial officer, Andrea Reeves,

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Speaker 3: who should not be politicized. Andrea, if you're listening, you're

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Speaker 3: not supposed to play politics. May She emailed council staff

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Speaker 3: that saying that if Tory looked like she was going

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Speaker 3: to win the vote, then the council should support a

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Speaker 3: public vote, and if there was no chance of the

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Speaker 3: mayor getting the numbers, the public should be excluded from

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Speaker 3: the meeting. And I'm just waiting to hear back from Nadine,

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Speaker 3: said Reeves. Nadine is Torrifano's political adviser, so in a nutshell,

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Speaker 3: what she was saying is, Okay, guys, listen, We're gonna

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Speaker 3: let the vote be public if the mayor is going

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Speaker 3: to win, But if the mayor is not gonna win,

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Speaker 3: we're not gonna let the vote be public. How politicized

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Speaker 3: is this council? It's unreal anyway? What can I say?

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Speaker 3: What can I say? It's really no surprise that Wellington

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Speaker 3: City Council plays Lilli Bugger's like that.

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Speaker 6: As I hope everyone enjoyed the break from Oasis yesterday.

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Speaker 6: It's over. We're back on Oasis week now because, as

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Speaker 6: you say, they're back in the news. The ticket prices.

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Speaker 6: They're charging three hundred dollars up to one thousand dollars

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Speaker 6: in New Zealand money that is for for a ticket.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's nothing we can do about this because

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Speaker 6: the reason they're charging that is because that's what people

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Speaker 6: will pay. That's probably slightly lower than the market price

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Speaker 6: for an Oasis ticket. But I think it is a

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Speaker 6: shame that, you know, some of their poorer fans probably

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Speaker 6: won't get as much of a chance to see them

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Speaker 6: as they're.

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Speaker 3: It's okay, the poor fans have got the albums they like.

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Speaker 6: They do, but I think they have, especially since lots

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Speaker 6: of them wouldn't have had a chance to see them.

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Speaker 3: When you know, oh okay, so we're turning a concert

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Speaker 3: into a socialist thing. Well, I mean, it's not like

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Speaker 3: they need the money, is it. Oh maybe they do

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Speaker 3: hold on.

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Speaker 11: Expensive.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I take it back, that's fair.

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Speaker 6: I mean, don't look back in anger.

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Speaker 3: We're going to go out with to night. I feel

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Speaker 3: you're paying there should have you know what? Okay, this

2066
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Speaker 3: is how you get around it. Ends is that you

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Speaker 3: price it extremely high because the whole world wants to

2068
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 3: go to the gigs, right, But then you set aside

2069
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 3: tickets for people who can prove that they are die.

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Speaker 6: Hard actually like these ones, and maybe maybe you make

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Speaker 6: them that that you have to go to a physical

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Speaker 6: location in like a poor area of Manchester to go

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Speaker 6: buy them, to guarantee that.

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Speaker 3: Those are the people with an Oasis tattoo on your butt,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 11: I bet they all go.

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Speaker 6: I bet you'd find that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I think we've solved that problem for them.

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Speaker 3: If they need some help, we can sort it. Thank

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Speaker 3: you and for bringing the hearts to the program. Enjoy

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Speaker 3: Oasis and have a lovely weekend and stay safe and

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Speaker 3: we'll see you on Monday.

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