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Speaker 1: But it is insane at a.

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Speaker 2: Time when the UK state has already expanded so massively

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Speaker 2: They scrapped a plan of ours to cut sixty six

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Speaker 2: business is being habited. I just got a message from

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Speaker 2: on employment. It will crush enterprise. It's totally the wrong

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Speaker 2: way for the country. And you know I shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: saying that, I actually be, because I should be extolling

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Speaker 2: profoundly in my country. But this guy's Starmer and his

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Speaker 2: left wing crew, they're going in in the wrong direction

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Speaker 2: and I'm very very sad about it.

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Speaker 3: Are they doing what you thought they would do or

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Speaker 3: has the British public beinhoodwinked by this right.

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Speaker 2: It's worse because I honestly thought I thought there was

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Speaker 2: you know, he had people like Mandelson around him and

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Speaker 2: I mean tax rates, well, I'm ashamed to say we're

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Speaker 2: The income tax rate for top earners was higher, and

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Speaker 2: cobsolutely great mistake by my party because we you know

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Speaker 2: what makes me, what drives me nuts about this and

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Speaker 2: I will be covering this in the Unleashed.

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Speaker 1: Tour, the Duco event. You know.

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Speaker 2: When I was kicked out by my poor you know,

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Speaker 1: Farage guys, they were on zero. Okay.

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Speaker 2: They then murdered us in the twenty twenty four election.

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Speaker 2: But when I was in charge, but they were on zero,

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Speaker 2: we would not have had this starmer nightmare if we'd

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Speaker 2: if we'd stuck to plan. And I'm very, very sad

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Speaker 2: about and I'm frothing frankly about the because it's it's

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Speaker 2: you know, we have to wait at least five years.

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Speaker 1: And they're they're they're gaining the wrong direction.

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Speaker 2: Now the UK, the UK look at we need to

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Speaker 2: look at the United States.

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Speaker 1: Compare the growth rates over the last.

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Speaker 2: It's it's shattering. The EU is basically flat. That the

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Speaker 2: US goes up to a forty five degrees. Fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 3: I just wonder, you know, we've changed our system ippmmp.

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Speaker 3: Is there something wrong with the way you elect governments?

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Speaker 2: I mean they got they got four million fewer votes

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Speaker 2: calmly telling the other guys and they're they're They're all, hey,

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Speaker 1: Here's the wonderful thing. You don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is fantastic until I ask you this.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it reminds me of the old Martin

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Speaker 2: Everybody's everybody now obsessed with the kind of you know,

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Speaker 2: He gave the Ukrainians the shoulder or the javelin missiles, right,

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Speaker 1: And Trump did that. And I'll tell you something, when

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Speaker 3: But had on a minute, he's not interested in Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: Look at what he did when he was in He

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Speaker 1: But that's what they think.

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Speaker 2: And the Ukrainian's problem from the perspective of Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know him.

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Speaker 3: And so when Trump says I will in the war, how.

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Speaker 2: he proposes is to ring up the pair of them.

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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin and Volodaviian Lensky and say put didn't look

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Speaker 2: unless you kind of deal, you know, we'll give the

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Speaker 2: Ukrainians everything they possibly want, and vice versa. He'll ring

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Speaker 2: z Leedskins say unless you kind of deal, we're going

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Speaker 2: to cut the funding.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The problem with that is that it won't work, and

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Speaker 2: it will you know, the best it can lead to

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Speaker 2: is a sort of terrible standoff in which Putin retains

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Speaker 2: the ability to attack Ukraine, and that will be obvious

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Speaker 2: to Trump.

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Speaker 1: It will collapse.

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Speaker 2: The Ukrainians went accepted, and they won't accept a partition,

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Speaker 2: and they went they won't accept the loss of so

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Speaker 2: much of their country, and why should they?

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Speaker 1: They will fight on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Putin has totally disproved his own thesis about Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: He set out to show that Ukraine wasn't really a country.

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Speaker 2: He wrote that crazy essay saying that Ukraine was was

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Speaker 2: you know, just a sort of a kind of.

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Speaker 1: Slabic m and a of the of the of the

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Speaker 2: And you know that it was integrally bound up with

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Speaker 2: with Russia. And he's proved decisively that that's not the case.

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Speaker 2: The Ukrainians have the fiercest, most passionate nationalism patriotism any

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Speaker 2: place in the world. And they're gonna win because it's

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Speaker 2: a war of independence. Now, wars of independence only end

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Speaker 2: one way. Sooner we get it done, the better.

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Speaker 3: I hope you're right. Hey, listen, domestically generic or bedknock.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's absolutely sweet of you to invite me

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Speaker 2: to a common The best thing I can do is

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Speaker 2: is stay way, way out of that one. But whoever,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure whoever gets it would have bang

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Speaker 2: up job and whole ko Starletork and you know Starmer

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Speaker 2: is absolutely plowing this thing right now. As I said

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Speaker 2: to you at the beginning, you know it's it's it's painful.

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Speaker 2: You know why the guy takes six hundred pounds from

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Speaker 2: a from a donut for a pair of spectacles. Now

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Speaker 2: you don't have spectacles, but I didn't aspecticle. I mean,

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Speaker 2: how do you spend six thousand, hundred pound a pair

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Speaker 2: of spectacles because one pound it cost.

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Speaker 1: One pound in Tesco and he's look what of the taxes?

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Speaker 1: But did I mentioned earlier? Think I did? Doesn't need

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Speaker 3: Had on heart? Do you wish you were still there?

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Speaker 2: Had on Heart whereaf you? Yes, absolutely, I not only

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Speaker 2: do I wish I was still there. I'm absolutely confident

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Speaker 2: that things would be much much better if I was.

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Speaker 2: But that's a you know, I think every every politician

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Speaker 2: is entitled to that type of vanity and delusion.

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Speaker 1: But I genuinely believe it. I really, I think it's

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Speaker 1: a I look at a lot of this stuff's happening

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Speaker 1: now and I don't understand what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Listen, if you're as entertaining as as you've been. You

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Speaker 3: know Duco events, Duco. You know Joseph Parker, the boxer,

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Speaker 3: I think yes, yes, anyway, Joseph Parker is promoted by Duco,

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Speaker 3: so they're promoting him as a heavyweight. You're a heavy weight.

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Speaker 3: They know about heavyweights, right, they're putting us in the

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Speaker 3: ring together. No, I don't think so anyway. Listen, looking

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Speaker 3: forward to seeing you in the country.

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Speaker 1: Take care, Longing to see you.

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