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Speaker 1: from news Talk said B, start your weekend off in

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Speaker 3: My wife was only really listening from the room next door.

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Speaker 3: She turned to me and said, hang on, what did

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Speaker 3: the Crusaders win? And I said yeah, and she said

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Speaker 3: I thought they were losing. I said they were losing

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Speaker 3: and she said, how.

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Speaker 4: Did they win?

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Speaker 3: And I said, sweetheart, They're the Crusaders. Winning is what

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Speaker 3: they do. Like I'm the first to bag on rugby

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Speaker 3: from time to time, but I got to tell you

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Speaker 3: that last ten minutes of that Super Rugby semi final

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Speaker 3: rugby I have seen in so long. Easy to say

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Speaker 3: when you come out on top, well, when your team

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Speaker 3: comes out on top, right, but that was an amazing

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Speaker 3: Super Rugby semi final, and I reckon that last ten

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Speaker 3: minutes was a final worthy ten minutes. Anyway, we're going

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Speaker 3: to digest what that Super Rugby semi result means ahead

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Speaker 3: of tonight's second semi, the Chiefs taking on the Brumbies

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Speaker 3: of course, hoping for an All New Zealand final. I

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Speaker 3: think I'm hoping for an All New Zealand final? Or

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Speaker 3: am I? As well as that? I just asked my

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Speaker 3: producer Libby a very important question. Do you like Pedro Pascal?

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Speaker 3: I asked Libby. I don't think I've ever heard someone

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Speaker 3: answer so quickly in their life. Yes, she said, yes,

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Speaker 3: be cool, Libby, be cool. Pedro Pascal has a brand

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Speaker 3: new movie. If you're anything like Libby, you will think

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Speaker 3: that Pedro Pascal is very, very very handsome. Indeed, so

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Speaker 3: we're going to tell you about that before ten o'clock

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Speaker 3: and after ten, our feature interviewed the morning KIW Screen

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Speaker 3: and theater legend Alison Quigan's going to be with us.

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Speaker 3: She's not in a new place. She's directing a brand

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Speaker 3: new play from Sir Roger Hall. So she's going to

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Speaker 3: tell us about that right after the ten o'clock news.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait right now though it is eight minutes past nine, Jack,

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Speaker 3: do you know I still remember the exact seat in

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Speaker 3: was twenty years ago, which honestly makes me feel a

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Speaker 3: little bit sick in my mouth. But It was twenty

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Speaker 3: years ago and I was primed for one of the

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Speaker 3: key exams in my tertiary education. I had passed tea

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Speaker 3: line shorthand at forty words a minute, at fifty words

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Speaker 3: But to progress on my journalism course and ultimately earn

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Speaker 3: a degree, I had one final challenge. I had to

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Speaker 3: pass a tea line shorthand exam at eighty words a minute.

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Speaker 3: Earned tea line from a wonderful tutor, a woman called Julie,

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Speaker 3: with exacting standards, a wicked sense of humor, and away

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Speaker 3: with words. She would walk around the classroom and peer

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Speaker 3: That's a squitty looking outline, she'd say, with a wry smile.

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Speaker 3: The moment I realized I had passed eighty words a minute,

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Speaker 3: with daily lessons. Sometimes you'd be doing three hours in

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Speaker 3: crazy thing. That was the very last time I seriously

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Speaker 3: used tea line shorthand. There's no reflection on Julie. She

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Speaker 3: trying to keep up with shorthand in an interview when

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Speaker 3: it in real time. Since our son was born four

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Speaker 3: months ago, I've kind of found myself thinking a lot

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Speaker 3: about my shorthand experience in the context of AI, and

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Speaker 3: In the UK, surveys have suggested that about ninety percent

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Speaker 3: results at best. Many assessors are advocating for a complete

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Speaker 3: in stewing over this, yeah, I couldn't help but wonder

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Speaker 3: it's a nice to know, but be honest, do you

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Speaker 3: point in wrote learning historical dates when they are but

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Speaker 3: a google away? What's the point in learning where to

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Speaker 3: grammar check your work when it comes to AI instead

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Speaker 3: of trying to work around it, I have been wondering,

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Speaker 3: are we not just better to embrace it and try

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Speaker 3: the technology. Ultimately, though, two points have given me reason

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Speaker 3: to pause. First of all, it occurs to me that

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Speaker 3: we as humans are actually not very good at foreseeing

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Speaker 3: generitive artificial intelligence. And it's easy, in reflecting in my

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Speaker 3: tea line shorthand example, to miss an even greater point. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it's true tea line skills have not been necessary or

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Speaker 3: helpful in my almost twenty years of journalism. But what

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Speaker 3: has been helpful is the discipline that experience taught me.

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Speaker 3: What has been helpful is the organizational skill, is the accountability,

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Speaker 3: the professionalism in learning tea line shorthand. Yep, I learned shorthand,

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Speaker 3: but more importantly, I learned how to learn. And whether

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Speaker 3: it's through long division, historical essays, or anything else, surely

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Speaker 3: that is the skill that we should aspire to educate

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Speaker 3: in our kids. Jack Tame ninety two ninety two is

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Speaker 3: Kevin Milman will kick us off next for our Saturday together.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's fourteen minutes past night. I'm Jack Tame,

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Speaker 3: It's Saturday morning, and this is newstorgs zedv.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

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Speaker 3: V B seventeen past nine on News Talks EDB. Steve

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Speaker 3: says Jack, I agree with you. These skills taught at

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Speaker 3: school are not truly usually not usually used for future professions,

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Speaker 3: but are a filtration system determining an individual's application levels

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Speaker 3: for whatever they may choose to learn in the future.

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Speaker 3: Grant says Jack. Typically, most of what we learn at

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Speaker 3: school is not relevant to the career that people end

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Speaker 3: up working in. That's true, although you know, sometimes it is,

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Speaker 3: early age what isn't isn't. I suppose the difference with

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Speaker 3: something like AI is it just seems very comparable to

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a big part of everyday life.

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Speaker 3: So are we not better just to embrace it? You know,

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Speaker 3: like if no one's learning like you know, I use

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Speaker 3: the long division example, what's the point in learning long

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Speaker 3: eighteen past nine, which means Kevin Milne is with us

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Speaker 3: this morning, Killer Kevin Curder Jack.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I learned tea line two and also typing.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's a classic, And.

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Speaker 5: So they were. They were tough subjects to deal with. Really,

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Speaker 5: so could you do?

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Speaker 3: Could you do eighty words a minute and tea line?

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Speaker 5: I don't think I will have to go to my

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Speaker 5: I think that might have been the past mark as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and I did pass it, but I can't remember going

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Speaker 3: I think eighty words a minute is slightly slower than

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Speaker 3: you get the kind of the crux of everything, but

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. I think your point about learning to

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Speaker 5: learn is a good one. But I think can't you

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Speaker 5: learn to learn with something that's actually going to progress

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Speaker 5: you in some way? And I'd immediately think of foreign

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Speaker 5: languages for example, Yeah, Maori, Maori? Why not learn to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you can learn to learn from all

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Speaker 3: the value, like a broader value in learning those skills.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought they had quite a good example but

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Speaker 5: you make a good point. No, eventually that will go.

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Speaker 5: I can't think of anything really though. I can feel

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Speaker 5: sure that we're learning now that we're going to really need.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can't be sure of what we will need, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean this is what I think. Basically, teaching the

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Speaker 3: broader skills so that people are able to adapt quickly

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Speaker 3: in the future, that's what you want to try and

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Speaker 3: inspire in people, and so that people are resilient when

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Speaker 3: develop in people. And it sounds kind of nebulous, but

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Speaker 3: is you know, should be the goal of education. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we're taking the big issues this morning, Kevin, But you

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Speaker 3: want to talk something slightly more trivial. You want to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, not that trivial. I mean, I'm not liking

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Speaker 5: this trend in New Zealand to take shows like The

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Speaker 5: Chase or Grand Designs and copy them to make The

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Speaker 5: Chase New Zealand, Grand Designs New Zealand or all the

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Speaker 5: other shows that we've done it to have we no

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Speaker 5: ideas of our own anymore. A TV executive if you

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Speaker 5: sustain his office of the early hours every night watching

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Speaker 5: overseas shows. Once told me, Kevin, every good idea for

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Speaker 5: a new TV program has already been thought of. That's

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Speaker 5: why we keep an eye on the rest of the world.

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Speaker 5: What there is the world's making now up As a

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Speaker 5: program maker, I found that depressing and actually wrong. Imagine

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your time this morning, Kevin, and thank

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Speaker 6: Quite extraordinary, Jack, good morning? Yeah, forty plus phases. The

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Speaker 6: The scrum itself of the Crusaders was a key weapon

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Speaker 6: So overall I think they're they're discipline, And when I

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Speaker 3: What are you picking tonight?

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Speaker 6: I think the Chiefs will win. I just can't see

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Speaker 6: if the Chiefs don't win tonight and then we'll have

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Speaker 6: a Crusader Chiefs Final in christ Yes, should be hungry.

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Speaker 3: That would be okay. Lots of sport on this weekend.

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Speaker 6: Yes, quite amazing last few weeks for Ryan Fox, Liam

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: The Gulf Oakmont Country Club, which is just north of Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 2: What a course.

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Speaker 6: Only five players are under par. There's still a lot

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Speaker 6: I see the Aussie veterans tied for seventh, Ryan Fox

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Speaker 6: He's tied for forty second. He will make the cut

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no too right, all right, we'll keep a close

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Speaker 3: eye on that, Thank you, sir. Oh are you a

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Speaker 6: I was gonna say Terminator Gladiator, isn't he?

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Speaker 3: apparently he's you go to guy.

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Speaker 6: To me, no one can beat Tom Hardy, pal.

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Speaker 3: No, look to me for you Tom Hardy's that's more

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Speaker 3: of minutes. Thank you so much for all of your messages.

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Speaker 3: Someone has pointed out that when it comes to local content,

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Speaker 3: so celebrity trees are island. We were the ones who

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Speaker 3: came up with that format, But we also came up

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Speaker 3: with the format pop Stars, which was then arguably ripped

435
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Speaker 3: off and kind of became the American idol format. So

436
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Speaker 3: we came up with pop Stars. Remember pop Stars was

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Speaker 3: the show that made true bliss turning back the hands

438
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Speaker 3: of time a little bit here, and that was a

439
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Speaker 3: very similar format to what became American Idol in the future.

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Speaker 3: So you a very good point. Twenty five to ten

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Speaker 3: on Newstalks, he'd be those film picks for you. Next

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Speaker 3: watch me running twenty ten on Newstalks. V that Stars

443
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Speaker 3: the Night by Dua Liba. She's got engaged, isn't she.

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Speaker 3: I'm reliably informed that her say is Callum Turner, the actor.

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Speaker 3: She's confirmed it to British Vogue and surprise, surprise, the

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Speaker 3: ring is not insignificant. Apparently the diamond is insanely big, huge,

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Speaker 3: So congratulations to Dua Lipa Francesca Rudkin, our film reviewer,

448
00:24:23,493 --> 00:24:25,493
Speaker 3: is here in the flesh this morning. So good to

449
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Speaker 3: see Hi. You were rolling your eyes when I was

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Speaker 3: talking to Save about Pedro Pascal. It was very unfair

451
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Speaker 3: and was I wrong? Is he not a dish?

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Speaker 8: Is absolutely a dish? Even my sixteen year old daughter

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Speaker 8: thinks he's a dish. Yeah you go, And I just

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Speaker 8: thought it was quite funny you asking sev.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know he's you know, it's the twenty twenty

456
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Speaker 3: five Ranca. Let's have a listen to the film that

457
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Speaker 3: Pedro Pascal is starring, and this is Materialists.

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Speaker 4: Hey are you single? I'm a matchmaker.

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Speaker 9: Give me a call if you want to meet somebody.

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Speaker 8: How many marriages are you responsible for?

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Speaker 1: Now?

462
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Speaker 4: Lucy nine?

463
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Speaker 3: If the girl asks for us, Whoul drink of Water?

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Speaker 6: Has the time with the salary over five hundred ground

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Speaker 6: always missed you deliver?

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Speaker 3: Okay. Dakota Johnson, Chris Evans and Pedro Pascal tell us

467
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Speaker 3: about Yeah, what a cast.

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Speaker 8: So this is Selene Song's follow up to Past Lives,

469
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Speaker 8: that was her debut film, which scored her a couple

470
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Speaker 8: of Oscar nominations. Actually you can watch that on Disney

471
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Speaker 8: Plus if you have that streaming service at the moment.

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Speaker 8: I really enjoyed this, but I think might be a

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Speaker 8: little bit polarizing because this film, Jack, it presents very

474
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Speaker 8: much as a romantic comedy, and you think you're going

475
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Speaker 8: into a rom com, but Selene's song, she takes the

476
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Speaker 8: genre a little bit more seriously. She throws a bit

477
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Speaker 8: of depth into this film. It's set in New York.

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Speaker 8: It's lush, beautifully shot, amazing costumes, so hence, you know,

479
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Speaker 8: as I say, it looks like a Nora Efron rom com.

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Speaker 8: But she kind of asks the question, you know, who

481
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Speaker 8: is the right person for you? Is it someone that

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Speaker 8: you kind of do the math and on paper looks

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Speaker 8: great or is it the person that you actually fall

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Speaker 8: in love with. So Dakotah Johnson plays Lucy. She's a

485
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Speaker 8: matchmaker although she remains single. She's a bit cynical about love.

486
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Speaker 8: She treats love like a business. So her clients are

487
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Speaker 8: commodities and it's her job to assess their value on

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Speaker 8: the market Jack and then she will basically find them

489
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Speaker 8: a mate, should work out where they sort of sit

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Speaker 8: in the market and find them a mate. And she

491
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Speaker 8: you know, talks about it's all about the math I use.

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Speaker 8: She uses math to kind of do this. So what

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Speaker 8: she's basically saying is she needs to find the person

494
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Speaker 8: who equals you when it comes to your background, your

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Speaker 8: political beliefs, your education, your income, and then there's the

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Speaker 8: even more materialistic things like you know, your BMI, your

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Speaker 8: looks and your height. You know, you want to tack

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Speaker 8: all those boxes for people. So that's what the film

499
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Speaker 8: does at asks this question, who's the right person for you,

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Speaker 8: the one on paper or the one that maybe you

501
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Speaker 8: fall in love with, and her thoughts are challenged by

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Speaker 8: two men who come into her life about the same time.

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Speaker 8: Harry played by Pedro Pascal, who is what they call

504
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Speaker 8: a unicorn. Jack, all right, you'd be a unicorn. So

505
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Speaker 8: unicorn has it all right, you know, the breeding, the success,

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Speaker 8: the you know, the education, plus also the height, the

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Speaker 8: good looks, and money, lots of money, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure I would be a unicorn.

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Speaker 8: And then there's John, who's played by Chris Evans, who'd,

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Speaker 8: to be honest with you, he's got all the looks

511
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Speaker 8: and things, but.

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Speaker 3: He's a broke waiter, so he's not Chris Evans.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's not lowly on Christ So yeah, he so

514
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Speaker 8: I'm making the point. God, it does look like Unicorn,

515
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Speaker 8: but he's broke. He's thirty seven, he's a waiter and

516
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Speaker 8: a want to be actor, still trying to find his way,

517
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Speaker 8: and he's he's a bit angry at the world and things.

518
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Speaker 8: So there's two and he's her ex and they reunite.

519
00:27:52,533 --> 00:27:54,293
Speaker 8: So these two men are kind of in her life,

520
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Speaker 8: which kind of challenge her thoughts about love and stuff. Look,

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Speaker 8: I liked this. I thought it was quite honest and

522
00:28:00,773 --> 00:28:03,413
Speaker 8: almost sort of brutal at times. The dialogue gets a

523
00:28:03,453 --> 00:28:07,173
Speaker 8: little bit awkward occasionally, but I just I just like

524
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Speaker 8: the way Celine song just kind of hits the mark

525
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Speaker 8: with the way we talk about love and relationships and

526
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Speaker 8: the transactional nature of them these days. I mean, you

527
00:28:15,613 --> 00:28:18,413
Speaker 8: watch Love Island and it's all about what's your type

528
00:28:18,573 --> 00:28:21,013
Speaker 8: and they ticking the boxes, and you know, we do

529
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Speaker 8: talk about it in this way. And who hasn't dated

530
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Speaker 8: someone and drop them for a materialistic reason like oh

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Speaker 8: they're a bit short, or oh I don't really like

532
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Speaker 8: their job. I mean, let's be honest. At some point

533
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Speaker 8: in our lives, we've probably all made a decision based

534
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Speaker 8: on something quite materialistic, so she's kind of hits the

535
00:28:37,533 --> 00:28:38,693
Speaker 8: hits the nail on the head there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I enjoyed this, Okay, Yeah, sounds good.

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00:28:40,893 --> 00:28:43,613
Speaker 8: Yeah, and selling song is actually going to be on

538
00:28:43,733 --> 00:28:46,773
Speaker 8: the Sunday Session tomorrow just after ten. She was a

539
00:28:46,893 --> 00:28:49,893
Speaker 8: matchmaker for a little while. Yeah, she couldn't get a

540
00:28:49,973 --> 00:28:51,933
Speaker 8: job as a barista, but she could get a job

541
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Speaker 8: as a matchmaker, which is kind of baddy. So we're

542
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Speaker 8: going to talk about that tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: How intriguing. I wonder if she Okay, I thought you

544
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Speaker 3: were going to say that she did that to prepare

545
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Speaker 3: for the film.

546
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Speaker 8: The day, since she was a theater director and needed

547
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Speaker 8: some money.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, Okay, cool materialists, So that's insers. I reckon that.

549
00:29:07,853 --> 00:29:09,973
Speaker 3: He's probably already been three times, but she'll be off again.

550
00:29:11,853 --> 00:29:14,373
Speaker 3: Next up, another film showing in Cinema's at the moment.

551
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Speaker 3: This is Dangerous Animals.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I don't believe I you talked me

553
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Speaker 4: into this?

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Speaker 2: All right, grit, there's still one thing we need to

555
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Speaker 2: take care of.

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Speaker 8: Close, You're right, howcome aboard.

557
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Speaker 10: Dann.

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Speaker 8: Oh gosh, this was exhausting. This is a film by

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Speaker 8: Sean Byrne. He's an Australian horror director. He's done The

560
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Speaker 8: Loved Ones and The Devil's Candy and oh my gosh,

561
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Speaker 8: he just really does nail be grade horrors. He this

562
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Speaker 8: is a lot of fun. Jay Courtney stars in this

563
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Speaker 8: film and he's absolutely fantastic. He keeps he completely engaged

564
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Speaker 8: on the edge of your seat. He's Tucker. He's a

565
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Speaker 8: pretty unhinged, charismatic tourist of parader who takes people out

566
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Speaker 8: to cage dive with sharks. But it turns out he's

567
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Speaker 8: actually a serial killer who likes to dangle people over

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Speaker 8: the edge of his place.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to suspend reality for this one and

570
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Speaker 3: watch what happens. Oh my god.

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Speaker 8: But we also meet sort of at the same time

572
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Speaker 8: we meet Gye, we meet Zephyr played by Hessey Harrison,

573
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Speaker 8: and she is a bit of a loner. She's a surfer,

574
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Speaker 8: she's on her and she's a little bit feisty, and

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Speaker 8: she really sort of she comes into Tuckers all bit,

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Speaker 8: but she decides to fight back. Look, this is it's

577
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Speaker 8: great fun. I can't say that I you know, I

578
00:30:49,693 --> 00:30:52,293
Speaker 8: got very tense watching this film. I could not kind

579
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Speaker 8: of wait for it to be over. Sean Byrne does

580
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Speaker 8: a good job of kind of, you know, giving you

581
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Speaker 8: the shock and the horror and the gore, but sometimes

582
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Speaker 8: maybe not when you're expecting it, So it does kind

583
00:31:01,773 --> 00:31:05,053
Speaker 8: of keep that tension going. Look, if you're not a

584
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Speaker 8: huge fan of shark, you just this might not be

585
00:31:08,293 --> 00:31:11,653
Speaker 8: your cup of tea. Yeah, but look it's it's a

586
00:31:11,813 --> 00:31:16,733
Speaker 8: really fun, B grade style horror film. It's done pretty well.

587
00:31:17,173 --> 00:31:18,333
Speaker 8: If that's your cup of tea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, it certainly sounds like a unique concept feeding people. Yes,

589
00:31:23,013 --> 00:31:25,653
Speaker 3: really good. Okay, so that's dangerous animals that's showing in

590
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Speaker 3: cinemas at the moment. Materialists is also showing in cinemas.

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Speaker 3: Don't get them confused or that could be a rude shock.

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Speaker 3: We will make sure we put all the details for

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Speaker 3: them on the news talks. He'd be website. Thank you friends,

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Speaker 3: Ocean with David Attenburg. And something tells me there are

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack team keeping the conversation going through

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Speaker 3: That'd be you know, I have had so many messages

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Speaker 3: about the future of education this morning. It was when

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Speaker 3: I say it like that, it sort of sounds like

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Speaker 3: a really lofty thing.

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Speaker 11: But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's maybe it's how Sun been born a few

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Speaker 3: months ago. Maybe it's the kind of the way that

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Speaker 3: AI is already seeping into everything everywhere in the modern workplace.

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Speaker 3: But I've really been thinking a lot lately about what

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Speaker 3: other skills we should actually be teaching people for the future.

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Speaker 3: Jack says Lyle. I've taken some pride in my limited

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Speaker 3: ability with French, gained after much academic struggle. But modern

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Speaker 3: AI translation is absolutely perfect, So then was it worth it? Absolutely? Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: it was worth it because it developed my brain's academic muscle.

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Speaker 3: So my prefrontal cortex is probably more crinkly than the

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Speaker 3: youth's brain will ever be. Yes says Lyle. I'm a

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Speaker 3: to send us a message like Lyle did this morning.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing. I agree. I think there is still value.

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Speaker 3: We just need to look at We need to look

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Speaker 3: at the skills in a kind of broader context. So

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Speaker 3: it's not necessarily the French that you're learning. It's all

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Speaker 3: of the it's all of the subsequent skills that you

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Speaker 3: learn through that process and the ways that it benefits

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Speaker 3: your brain. That is the real value. So thank you

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Speaker 3: for that mile. It is eleven to ten on newstalks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be Nicky works as our cook and she is

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Speaker 3: alive from Mystery Creek. In Field Days the final lay

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Speaker 3: of Field Days twenty twenty five, Nikki.

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Speaker 12: Yes, the final day. Yes, it's day four and I'm

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Speaker 12: feeling it. Oh my goodness. You know why I'm feeling

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Speaker 12: it most though, Jack.

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Speaker 3: Because the food's good.

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Speaker 4: Because well the food is good.

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Speaker 12: Yes enough, isn't an awful lot of protein. But I've

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Speaker 12: got to tell you, farmers get.

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Speaker 3: Up very early, Yes, very early they do.

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Speaker 12: So we all sort of, you know, slide into the

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Speaker 12: muddy car parks at about six thirty am in the morning.

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Speaker 12: I make my way up to the cross sleigh and

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Speaker 12: for Red barbecues stand and then I cook meat all day.

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Speaker 12: Farmers they most shows that you go through. You know,

647
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Speaker 12: it doesn't really warm up until about ten or eleven.

648
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Speaker 12: Here you are going for it from about seven am.

649
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Speaker 4: It's hilarious.

650
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Speaker 12: The show doesn't even start to late. Farmers. They honestly,

651
00:34:12,053 --> 00:34:14,373
Speaker 12: they are a hardy group. I've got to tell you, Yes,

652
00:34:14,413 --> 00:34:15,093
Speaker 12: it's been amazing.

653
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Speaker 3: What have been your kind of foody highlights from a

654
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Speaker 3: consumer's perspective?

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Speaker 8: Foody highlights?

656
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Speaker 10: Look, I popped down.

657
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Speaker 12: I finally got a little bit of time off yesterday

658
00:34:22,413 --> 00:34:25,733
Speaker 12: and I had a look down at the pantry and

659
00:34:25,933 --> 00:34:29,213
Speaker 12: so down there what I discovered were two fantastic product

660
00:34:29,213 --> 00:34:30,973
Speaker 12: I mean, there's loads of great products down there, but

661
00:34:31,013 --> 00:34:32,613
Speaker 12: the ones I want to talk about is a beautiful

662
00:34:32,653 --> 00:34:35,893
Speaker 12: hot sauce company from Coramander called Uncle Dunles.

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Speaker 7: I love the name.

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Speaker 3: They do a wood fired hot sauce.

665
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Speaker 8: So they use tea tree yet cheeky.

666
00:34:42,693 --> 00:34:45,213
Speaker 12: It takes three days to make the sauce, so it's

667
00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:49,253
Speaker 12: absolutely beautiful, it's rich. It's when they say a hot sauce,

668
00:34:50,173 --> 00:34:52,693
Speaker 12: it's really hot. They also do a mild sauce. But honestly,

669
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Speaker 12: I can really recommend that, and the other one at

670
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Speaker 12: the other sort of end of the spectrum was a

671
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Speaker 12: beautiful chocolate ear from out Moody Wi Wai called pretty Fancy,

672
00:35:02,053 --> 00:35:04,613
Speaker 12: And they have all these boxes of bond bonds.

673
00:35:05,213 --> 00:35:06,173
Speaker 2: They're really expensive.

674
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Speaker 12: I'mble because I scoffed them. You're supposed to savor them.

675
00:35:09,133 --> 00:35:13,493
Speaker 12: But they were also really really fantastic, So that's been great. Yeah,

676
00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:15,373
Speaker 12: So we've been introducing the puns is down here that

677
00:35:15,413 --> 00:35:17,573
Speaker 12: infra red barbecues, which are kind of gas that then

678
00:35:17,733 --> 00:35:20,013
Speaker 12: uses a lot less gas because it fires up in

679
00:35:20,093 --> 00:35:23,253
Speaker 12: for red. So I've been cooking meat meat supplied by

680
00:35:23,613 --> 00:35:25,893
Speaker 12: the Bethlehem Butchery. And I don't know if we've got

681
00:35:25,933 --> 00:35:29,053
Speaker 12: time this morning, but I've been making a cracking Korean

682
00:35:29,333 --> 00:35:32,933
Speaker 12: beef out of rump steak, which is incredibly economical.

683
00:35:33,013 --> 00:35:35,453
Speaker 3: So have we got time to right?

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00:35:36,813 --> 00:35:37,773
Speaker 7: I love rump steak.

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00:35:37,893 --> 00:35:39,933
Speaker 12: I think rump is a great cut, does a lot

686
00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:41,933
Speaker 12: of work on the beast if you like, so listen

687
00:35:42,013 --> 00:35:43,213
Speaker 12: to me talking like a farmer.

688
00:35:43,893 --> 00:35:44,933
Speaker 8: So it's really tasty.

689
00:35:45,013 --> 00:35:46,853
Speaker 12: It's not your tenderest cut, but I think it's.

690
00:35:46,693 --> 00:35:47,253
Speaker 7: The best one.

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Speaker 12: So what I do is in a big bowl, I

692
00:35:50,173 --> 00:35:53,773
Speaker 12: stew together three tablespoons of castor sugar. Korean beef is sweet,

693
00:35:54,053 --> 00:35:57,533
Speaker 12: but it's also salty, so six tablespoons of dark soy sauce,

694
00:35:57,933 --> 00:36:01,813
Speaker 12: two tablespoons of vegetable oil, two tablespoons of sesama oil,

695
00:36:02,093 --> 00:36:05,933
Speaker 12: a really big squeeze of juicy orange lemon juice, or

696
00:36:06,173 --> 00:36:08,733
Speaker 12: you can use some rice wine vinegar, about two tablespoons.

697
00:36:08,933 --> 00:36:10,813
Speaker 12: You need that to sort of cut through the rich

698
00:36:11,053 --> 00:36:15,173
Speaker 12: cut through the richness. Good tablespoon of fresh grated ginger,

699
00:36:15,613 --> 00:36:17,373
Speaker 12: lots of garlic, and then I use about three or

700
00:36:17,373 --> 00:36:19,573
Speaker 12: four cloves and I grate that into there, and then

701
00:36:19,653 --> 00:36:21,893
Speaker 12: take your big rump steak. And the great thing about

702
00:36:21,973 --> 00:36:24,573
Speaker 12: going to a butcher jack is that it'll tend to

703
00:36:24,653 --> 00:36:28,693
Speaker 12: be a much thicker, well aged cut than you might

704
00:36:28,813 --> 00:36:31,293
Speaker 12: get at a supermarket, which is kind of you know,

705
00:36:31,533 --> 00:36:35,093
Speaker 12: it's pretty quick from farm. The plastic packaging, you know,

706
00:36:35,293 --> 00:36:38,013
Speaker 12: that's okay too, that has its place, perhaps, but your

707
00:36:38,053 --> 00:36:41,333
Speaker 12: butcher's honestly beautiful thick cut. I cut them into about

708
00:36:41,373 --> 00:36:46,133
Speaker 12: point five mill point five centimeter strips, nice and thin.

709
00:36:46,293 --> 00:36:48,573
Speaker 12: Throw it on a hot barbecue with some spring onions.

710
00:36:48,973 --> 00:36:51,893
Speaker 12: You just cook it, you know, thirty seconds forty five,

711
00:36:52,293 --> 00:36:54,453
Speaker 12: give it a quick flip and then serve it with

712
00:36:54,573 --> 00:36:57,533
Speaker 12: some rice, maybe sprinkle it with some sesame seeds, or

713
00:36:57,573 --> 00:37:00,893
Speaker 12: serve it in a big fluffy white bun. Absolutely gorgeous.

714
00:37:00,933 --> 00:37:03,173
Speaker 12: And I've been knocking that out and people as well

715
00:37:03,213 --> 00:37:05,853
Speaker 12: as hawk bellley as well as sort of chicken thighs

716
00:37:05,893 --> 00:37:10,853
Speaker 12: as well, and honestly, some days in fact after day twoks,

717
00:37:10,853 --> 00:37:13,613
Speaker 12: we've been cooking these pork bellys, which I adore pork belly.

718
00:37:13,893 --> 00:37:15,213
Speaker 2: But you can only have so much.

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00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:16,253
Speaker 4: And I had too much.

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Speaker 13: And I remember on the.

721
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Speaker 12: Way back to my Airbnb down here thinking, oh dear,

722
00:37:21,613 --> 00:37:23,253
Speaker 12: if I had an accident now and they did a

723
00:37:23,373 --> 00:37:25,853
Speaker 12: DNA on me, I'm probably more poor scene than human.

724
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Speaker 14: But there you go.

725
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Speaker 12: But no, it's great fun. Look, today's the last day

726
00:37:28,933 --> 00:37:31,813
Speaker 12: and it's beautiful today the rain has stopped. It's muddy,

727
00:37:31,893 --> 00:37:34,253
Speaker 12: and it's great and it's a fantastic show.

728
00:37:34,293 --> 00:37:36,453
Speaker 3: It really is superb Well, we will let you get

729
00:37:36,493 --> 00:37:38,653
Speaker 3: back to the hot plate. Thank you so much. Nikki

730
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Speaker 3: will make sure that recipe for Nicky's Korean beef is

731
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Speaker 3: up on the news talks 'b websites. Hands like she's

732
00:37:43,853 --> 00:37:46,013
Speaker 3: had a fantastic day at field days or time at

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Speaker 3: field days, so if you're there today, make sure you

734
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Speaker 3: soak it up and go and visit her stand as well.

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Speaker 3: Seven to ten on News talks 'B.

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Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to

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Speaker 1: dot nz for high quality supplements News talks 'B.

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Speaker 3: It's almost news time, so after the news this morning,

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Speaker 3: and I make sure I bing you some more of

741
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Speaker 3: your feedback this morning on the future of education. David

742
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Speaker 3: has sent us a really good note to say, Jack,

743
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Speaker 3: what is essential to the future of education are the arts.

744
00:38:15,053 --> 00:38:18,293
Speaker 3: The arts teach us creativity and all else that is

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Speaker 3: uniquely human. Very good point, David, appreciate that. Ninety two

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Speaker 3: to ninety two if you want to send us a message,

747
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Speaker 3: and on the subject of the arts, of course, right

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Speaker 3: after the ten o'clock news this morning. Cannot wait for

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Speaker 3: this key we theater and screen legend. Allison Quigan's going

750
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Speaker 3: to be with us, Sir Roger Hall's got a brand

751
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Speaker 3: new play called End of Summertime. Allison is in charge,

752
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Speaker 3: so she's going to tell us all about End of

753
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Speaker 3: Summertime very soon. As well as that our personal finance

754
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Speaker 3: expert has just done a bit of a crazy experiment,

755
00:38:46,133 --> 00:38:49,093
Speaker 3: maybe not that crazy. He has tried living on nothing

756
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Speaker 3: but the pension for a week, so he's not of

757
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Speaker 3: retirement age, but he just wanted to see what it

758
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Speaker 3: was like living on nothing but the pension for a week.

759
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Speaker 3: So he's going to be with us after ten o'clock

760
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Speaker 3: to tell us about that. News is next, though it

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Speaker 3: is almost ten o'clock. I'm Jack Taymee. It's Saturday and morning.

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Speaker 1: A cracking way to start your Saturday. Saturday mornings with

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Speaker 3: You're with Jacktaime on News Talks V through the midday today.

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Speaker 3: Queen of the Stage Ellison Quigan is a mainstay in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's performing arts scene. You will have seen her

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Speaker 3: all sorts of things over the years, in all sorts

770
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Speaker 3: of theater productions, many of which she has written herself.

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00:40:05,693 --> 00:40:07,973
Speaker 3: You might have seen he in Shortened Street playing fan

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Speaker 3: favorite Yvonne Jefferies, and Allison is back to her theatrical

773
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Speaker 3: ways directing a brand new production by Sir Roger Hall

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Speaker 3: called End of summertime and and what is a great

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Speaker 3: privilege for us. Allison is here in the studio with

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Speaker 3: us this morning. Kelder, welcome to the show. It is

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Speaker 3: so good to see you and thank you for being here.

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Speaker 3: So tell us about End of Summertime.

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Speaker 15: End of Summertime is a play by Roger Hall which

780
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Speaker 15: is part of a trilogy that he wrote. The first

781
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Speaker 15: one was called Come On Black, and then it was

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Speaker 15: You've got to be Joking And Dicky Hart is the

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Speaker 15: is the only character in it. Actually that's not true.

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Speaker 15: There are many, many characters, and our wonderful actor Andy

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00:40:43,813 --> 00:40:46,053
Speaker 15: Granger is playing all of the characters right. And so

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Speaker 15: this particular time and Dickie Hart has gone from being

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Speaker 15: a great farmer in Taranaki and then he goes to Wellington,

788
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Speaker 15: goes from the farm to the city. And now his

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00:40:57,173 --> 00:41:01,053
Speaker 15: wife Glinda has says, right where, off to Auckland, the

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Speaker 15: place he doesn't want to live in any time of

791
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Speaker 15: his life. Auckland is full of all these people. Now

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00:41:06,613 --> 00:41:09,093
Speaker 15: all they talk about is money, The traffic is terrible,

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Speaker 15: all of those things. And so he arrives curmudgeonly and

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Speaker 15: through the play he falls in love with Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay.

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Speaker 15: To me, that's the wonderful thing about Auckland is Auckland

797
00:41:20,253 --> 00:41:23,293
Speaker 15: people are terrible at selling their own city. This is true,

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Speaker 15: and so when they arrived they say, oh, sir, about

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Speaker 15: that with the traffic, I'm sure it's awful for you.

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Speaker 15: But actually, when I arrived here after several times of

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00:41:31,733 --> 00:41:33,613
Speaker 15: coming to live here, and I came with my family

802
00:41:33,653 --> 00:41:36,093
Speaker 15: to do Shortland Street in two thousand and four, people

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Speaker 15: said you'll hate it. And when I arrived here, we

804
00:41:38,893 --> 00:41:42,733
Speaker 15: loved it. The first weekend, Wow, because it's impressive. Well,

805
00:41:42,813 --> 00:41:46,053
Speaker 15: it's because of the water is amazing, the volcanoes are amazing,

806
00:41:46,133 --> 00:41:49,413
Speaker 15: the city is gorgeous, and you survive by the kindness

807
00:41:49,453 --> 00:41:51,253
Speaker 15: of strangers, and that's what Auckland's about it.

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Speaker 3: It's funny you say that because I'm born and raised

809
00:41:53,493 --> 00:41:56,133
Speaker 3: in christ Church and we're like all cards on the table.

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00:41:56,413 --> 00:42:00,493
Speaker 3: Am still a parochial Cantaprian. And yeah, so when I

811
00:42:00,533 --> 00:42:03,053
Speaker 3: grew up, we always love beating Auckland and everything and

812
00:42:03,133 --> 00:42:05,333
Speaker 3: all kinds of worsted it out. And then when I

813
00:42:05,413 --> 00:42:07,613
Speaker 3: came and moved Auckland, I do think, well, you know,

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00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:13,893
Speaker 3: you have two unique harbors, a city built around the water.

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00:42:14,373 --> 00:42:18,253
Speaker 3: You have these conical volcanoes sticking up everywhere, which gives

816
00:42:18,293 --> 00:42:21,933
Speaker 3: it the most unique landscape. You've got the White Targeting Ranges,

817
00:42:21,973 --> 00:42:25,533
Speaker 3: which is this incredible backbone of native bush. You have

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00:42:26,133 --> 00:42:29,013
Speaker 3: more Pacific people than any other place in the world.

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Speaker 3: It's really more salmon and people, more Tongan people than

820
00:42:31,453 --> 00:42:34,213
Speaker 3: in Sarmour or tong It's really a Pacific capital exactly.

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00:42:34,693 --> 00:42:36,493
Speaker 3: You know, there are some upsides to be in Auckland

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Speaker 3: as well. So I mean, people will hear the name

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Speaker 3: Dickie Hart and immediately be smiling because that is a

824
00:42:42,573 --> 00:42:45,373
Speaker 3: Sir Roger Hall classic. But what is it about Sir

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00:42:45,453 --> 00:42:48,333
Speaker 3: Roger's plays that you think connect with people in the

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Speaker 3: way they do.

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Speaker 15: It's because he understands his audience. He's been telling this

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Speaker 15: story of this particular generation for fifty years. Yeah, and

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00:42:56,973 --> 00:42:58,893
Speaker 15: he is very loyal to them, and they are very

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00:42:59,013 --> 00:43:02,453
Speaker 15: loyal to him. But he is a great observationist. He

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Speaker 15: will as he knows these people so so well. And

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Speaker 15: he because he's a great comedic writer and a tragedyan writer,

833
00:43:11,973 --> 00:43:15,373
Speaker 15: because in order to tell comedy you need to understand tragedy,

834
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Speaker 15: and so he understands the pitfalls of their lives, the

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00:43:19,933 --> 00:43:24,213
Speaker 15: the extraordinary things in their ordinary lives, and that's that's

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Speaker 15: us all over. And so he he is, he is

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Speaker 15: a he's a great storyteller of this country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and his players are just so much fun. I've

839
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Speaker 3: been to heaps of Roger Hall plays over the years,

840
00:43:36,893 --> 00:43:40,893
Speaker 3: and you always get a like Bally laugh after belly

841
00:43:40,973 --> 00:43:43,293
Speaker 3: laugh after Bally laugh, you know it is. It always

842
00:43:43,333 --> 00:43:46,413
Speaker 3: kind of delivers in that sense, I suppose. So tell

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Speaker 3: us about your role in directing this and how that

844
00:43:50,013 --> 00:43:52,573
Speaker 3: compares to your other theatrical roles over the years, because

845
00:43:52,613 --> 00:43:57,373
Speaker 3: you write, you perform, and you direct, yes, and produce everything.

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Speaker 15: Well, after this long and the business, of course, you've

847
00:44:00,093 --> 00:44:01,933
Speaker 15: done it. I've swept the stage, and I've been on

848
00:44:02,013 --> 00:44:05,213
Speaker 15: the board. You know, it's you run the gamut. And

849
00:44:05,693 --> 00:44:08,253
Speaker 15: I started directing his plays in the late eighties when

850
00:44:08,253 --> 00:44:10,173
Speaker 15: I took over Center Point Theater and Palms to North

851
00:44:10,493 --> 00:44:14,373
Speaker 15: And because the Rogers plays need to be in the program,

852
00:44:14,493 --> 00:44:16,373
Speaker 15: because you know, you'll bring in that audience and that

853
00:44:16,453 --> 00:44:20,293
Speaker 15: audience will sustain everybody everything else in the program. And

854
00:44:20,453 --> 00:44:23,173
Speaker 15: so yes, I've been telling his stories right from there.

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Speaker 15: I mean, this particular one is a solo show.

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00:44:25,493 --> 00:44:25,613
Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 15: And so as a director for a solo actor, you're

858
00:44:29,293 --> 00:44:32,213
Speaker 15: actually trying to create all the other characters with the

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00:44:32,333 --> 00:44:35,373
Speaker 15: actor and obviously with the writer, and so it is

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Speaker 15: a case of making sure that he's he can get

861
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Speaker 15: from A to B to C to D all of

862
00:44:39,573 --> 00:44:41,053
Speaker 15: that so he can get through to the end of

863
00:44:41,093 --> 00:44:44,213
Speaker 15: the play. So there's a practical part of understanding how

864
00:44:44,893 --> 00:44:49,493
Speaker 15: solo show works, but also reassuring and just loving what

865
00:44:49,613 --> 00:44:52,333
Speaker 15: this other person can bring to the play. It's well interpretation.

866
00:44:52,733 --> 00:44:55,533
Speaker 3: So does how does that complexity with a one person

867
00:44:55,613 --> 00:44:58,613
Speaker 3: play compare to a play that has more moving parts

868
00:44:58,653 --> 00:44:59,213
Speaker 3: and more actors.

869
00:45:00,213 --> 00:45:03,373
Speaker 15: Well, the complexity is that you're intensely involved with the

870
00:45:03,653 --> 00:45:07,813
Speaker 15: with the one actor, and when when you're directing a

871
00:45:07,893 --> 00:45:11,813
Speaker 15: lot of people, every single person has a different requirement.

872
00:45:11,933 --> 00:45:14,653
Speaker 15: You know, some people you provoke, some people you tease out,

873
00:45:14,693 --> 00:45:17,573
Speaker 15: some people you just leave alone. But all the time

874
00:45:17,693 --> 00:45:19,773
Speaker 15: you're as a director, you're the person who's in the

875
00:45:19,813 --> 00:45:23,413
Speaker 15: middle of the theater going I can't hear you, or

876
00:45:25,093 --> 00:45:27,893
Speaker 15: you know you're You're you're using the time to be

877
00:45:28,133 --> 00:45:31,933
Speaker 15: the audience for that particular part of the reversal. And

878
00:45:32,773 --> 00:45:34,893
Speaker 15: as you get further and further into the play. You're

879
00:45:34,933 --> 00:45:37,613
Speaker 15: getting further and further away from the actors. I said,

880
00:45:37,653 --> 00:45:40,213
Speaker 15: to react to somebody the other day, I said, when

881
00:45:40,253 --> 00:45:43,013
Speaker 15: you direct at the first there's only a piece of

882
00:45:43,693 --> 00:45:46,293
Speaker 15: masking take between you and the actor, right, and then

883
00:45:46,493 --> 00:45:48,493
Speaker 15: when you go into the theater there's several rows of

884
00:45:48,533 --> 00:45:50,533
Speaker 15: seats and when the audience comes in, you're in the

885
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Speaker 15: back row.

886
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Speaker 16: Yeah.

887
00:45:51,533 --> 00:45:54,573
Speaker 8: Right, so you you first step all hands on.

888
00:45:54,853 --> 00:45:56,173
Speaker 15: Yeah's constantly.

889
00:45:56,373 --> 00:45:56,573
Speaker 1: Yeah.

890
00:45:56,973 --> 00:45:59,413
Speaker 3: So you mentioned Center Point. You were artistic director for

891
00:45:59,613 --> 00:46:02,053
Speaker 3: eighteen years. I was, that's amazing. So how to talk

892
00:46:02,053 --> 00:46:04,813
Speaker 3: to us about the kind of significance of that place

893
00:46:04,853 --> 00:46:05,013
Speaker 3: for you.

894
00:46:05,573 --> 00:46:07,893
Speaker 15: I was born in Palmerston North and I went back

895
00:46:07,973 --> 00:46:10,613
Speaker 15: because I had a twenty month old baby and I

896
00:46:10,733 --> 00:46:13,413
Speaker 15: was off at a job basically that was that I'd

897
00:46:13,453 --> 00:46:15,573
Speaker 15: worked there before, but the idea.

898
00:46:15,293 --> 00:46:15,853
Speaker 8: Of going back to.

899
00:46:15,973 --> 00:46:18,973
Speaker 3: Palston North was was one of those oh no.

900
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Speaker 15: And then of course I was offered the job and

901
00:46:21,573 --> 00:46:24,813
Speaker 15: it was brilliant, and because it taught me how to dream,

902
00:46:25,453 --> 00:46:28,213
Speaker 15: because it taught me how to read an audience. I

903
00:46:28,293 --> 00:46:32,453
Speaker 15: had a marketing manager eventually, and there was only four

904
00:46:32,493 --> 00:46:35,373
Speaker 15: of us running the theater, so everyone was a manager.

905
00:46:35,893 --> 00:46:38,573
Speaker 15: And so he sort of said he didn't. He helped

906
00:46:38,613 --> 00:46:40,853
Speaker 15: me do a strategic plan, which taught me how to

907
00:46:40,973 --> 00:46:43,893
Speaker 15: dream and taught me how to do the things that

908
00:46:44,133 --> 00:46:46,853
Speaker 15: meant the most to me and therefore the audience.

909
00:46:47,213 --> 00:46:48,093
Speaker 16: And so it was.

910
00:46:48,333 --> 00:46:50,813
Speaker 15: He was great at teaching me how to do that.

911
00:46:50,893 --> 00:46:53,053
Speaker 15: He was very young, yeah, for straight out of university.

912
00:46:53,133 --> 00:46:55,293
Speaker 15: But he said, I'm good at this, and I thought, fine, yeah,

913
00:46:55,493 --> 00:46:56,093
Speaker 15: I'm hopeless.

914
00:46:56,133 --> 00:46:58,173
Speaker 3: Am I right in thinking it is a five Go

915
00:46:58,333 --> 00:47:01,133
Speaker 3: Bamian Palmi was a five Go Barmian Parmi. You wrote, yeah,

916
00:47:02,333 --> 00:47:02,973
Speaker 3: I mean we didn't.

917
00:47:03,173 --> 00:47:04,493
Speaker 15: We hadn't written the play.

918
00:47:04,893 --> 00:47:07,493
Speaker 3: I wrote the title. Can see that the title play

919
00:47:07,613 --> 00:47:08,013
Speaker 3: key role.

920
00:47:09,133 --> 00:47:12,173
Speaker 15: You mentioned Ross Gumbli before Ross Gumbley was. And so

921
00:47:12,293 --> 00:47:14,533
Speaker 15: he and I worked together and we said, okay, we'll

922
00:47:14,573 --> 00:47:17,973
Speaker 15: write a surprise Christmas show, right, and then somebody said,

923
00:47:18,013 --> 00:47:20,573
Speaker 15: oh god, the actors go crazy go Bami when they're

924
00:47:20,573 --> 00:47:22,693
Speaker 15: living in Parmi and we went, oh, my god, did

925
00:47:22,733 --> 00:47:23,253
Speaker 15: you see that thing?

926
00:47:23,693 --> 00:47:24,253
Speaker 3: Famous five?

927
00:47:24,573 --> 00:47:27,173
Speaker 15: And so it was five Go Bami and Parmi and

928
00:47:27,333 --> 00:47:28,893
Speaker 15: we wrote the title and then people rang up and

929
00:47:28,933 --> 00:47:30,653
Speaker 15: said what you got on for Christmas? And we went, oh,

930
00:47:31,053 --> 00:47:32,973
Speaker 15: the show was called five Go Bami and Parmi. And

931
00:47:33,013 --> 00:47:35,333
Speaker 15: we said, and they said, we know exactly what that's

932
00:47:35,773 --> 00:47:35,973
Speaker 15: we go.

933
00:47:37,453 --> 00:47:38,173
Speaker 3: What is it about?

934
00:47:38,933 --> 00:47:40,773
Speaker 15: So they told us, oh, it's about the Famous Five.

935
00:47:40,813 --> 00:47:43,573
Speaker 15: It's during the Second World and they sold they solved

936
00:47:43,573 --> 00:47:43,973
Speaker 15: a crime.

937
00:47:44,573 --> 00:47:48,013
Speaker 3: Good, good done. That's written then, I should say for

938
00:47:48,093 --> 00:47:50,333
Speaker 3: our audience. Ross Gumbli was, of course the director of

939
00:47:50,373 --> 00:47:52,093
Speaker 3: the Court Theater in christ Church, which is where I

940
00:47:52,133 --> 00:47:54,653
Speaker 3: grew up, and so I used to absolutely love going

941
00:47:54,693 --> 00:47:56,893
Speaker 3: and going to the Court Theater and seeing Ross Gumbley's

942
00:47:56,893 --> 00:47:58,933
Speaker 3: performances and plays as well. So I know you and

943
00:47:59,053 --> 00:48:02,133
Speaker 3: Ross have worked so closely together over the years. I

944
00:48:02,213 --> 00:48:03,773
Speaker 3: also wanted to ask you about short and Street. I

945
00:48:03,773 --> 00:48:06,373
Speaker 3: hope that's okay. Yes, you live on on Shorten Street.

946
00:48:06,453 --> 00:48:11,293
Speaker 3: It was a firm fan favorite, and interestingly, you had

947
00:48:11,533 --> 00:48:14,893
Speaker 3: a younger love interest, Ben for several years. I think

948
00:48:14,893 --> 00:48:18,933
Speaker 3: it was several years, right, it was, I recall being yeah, okay, anyway,

949
00:48:19,533 --> 00:48:23,293
Speaker 3: so Ben was played by the one of the drama

950
00:48:23,373 --> 00:48:26,053
Speaker 3: teachers at my high school, which I just wanted to

951
00:48:26,053 --> 00:48:28,613
Speaker 3: say to you. I cannot tell you how much joy

952
00:48:28,893 --> 00:48:30,853
Speaker 3: that gave the students of casting in high school to

953
00:48:30,933 --> 00:48:34,453
Speaker 3: see you and Ben's fledgling relationship on screen every night

954
00:48:34,493 --> 00:48:37,013
Speaker 3: at seven o'clock. Just what an absolute joy that was.

955
00:48:37,573 --> 00:48:39,013
Speaker 3: But do people still come up to you and ask

956
00:48:39,093 --> 00:48:42,613
Speaker 3: about Yvonne every day? Really every day? Amazing?

957
00:48:42,813 --> 00:48:45,053
Speaker 15: It is, It is amazing. But usually they say, I

958
00:48:45,133 --> 00:48:47,093
Speaker 15: know you, I know you don't where did you go

959
00:48:47,173 --> 00:48:47,493
Speaker 15: to school?

960
00:48:47,533 --> 00:48:48,853
Speaker 3: And I'm oh, here we go?

961
00:48:49,213 --> 00:48:51,133
Speaker 15: Is this going to take It's worse when you're having

962
00:48:51,173 --> 00:48:54,093
Speaker 15: a smear test. That's the and I don't have to

963
00:48:54,173 --> 00:48:55,773
Speaker 15: have those anymore, thank heavens.

964
00:48:56,093 --> 00:48:56,773
Speaker 11: But yeah, it is.

965
00:48:57,013 --> 00:48:59,973
Speaker 15: It is the times where somebody you just know this

966
00:49:00,053 --> 00:49:02,053
Speaker 15: is going to be a long conversation. So sometimes I

967
00:49:02,173 --> 00:49:04,253
Speaker 15: cut to the chase and say Shortland Street and they go, oh,

968
00:49:04,493 --> 00:49:06,133
Speaker 15: He's like, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry to know.

969
00:49:06,413 --> 00:49:08,133
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm glad that you remember it.

970
00:49:08,213 --> 00:49:09,093
Speaker 8: I'm glad you watch.

971
00:49:09,293 --> 00:49:11,693
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's funny to kind of think about the

972
00:49:11,733 --> 00:49:13,733
Speaker 3: place of Shorten Street. You know, in this day and

973
00:49:13,773 --> 00:49:16,533
Speaker 3: age where three episodes a week now three three episodes

974
00:49:16,573 --> 00:49:17,973
Speaker 3: a week, do you have concern about the kind of

975
00:49:18,813 --> 00:49:22,133
Speaker 3: the pathways for New Zealand writers and performers given the

976
00:49:22,213 --> 00:49:23,733
Speaker 3: state of the industry and the state of the kind

977
00:49:23,733 --> 00:49:24,813
Speaker 3: of economy at the moment.

978
00:49:24,813 --> 00:49:25,453
Speaker 8: Of course I do.

979
00:49:25,733 --> 00:49:27,773
Speaker 15: I mean, I think that it is really important that

980
00:49:27,813 --> 00:49:29,573
Speaker 15: we tell our stories, and we need to do it

981
00:49:29,693 --> 00:49:33,413
Speaker 15: with our voices, with our writers, with our concerns and

982
00:49:33,653 --> 00:49:36,853
Speaker 15: our values, because the real problem is that we could

983
00:49:36,933 --> 00:49:43,533
Speaker 15: actually only hear American vowels, consonants, accents on our screens,

984
00:49:43,653 --> 00:49:46,613
Speaker 15: and that is a real problem because then we lose

985
00:49:46,813 --> 00:49:50,653
Speaker 15: our identity. What theater does, what film and television does,

986
00:49:51,013 --> 00:49:54,133
Speaker 15: is that reaffirms who we are. And that's why it's

987
00:49:54,253 --> 00:49:56,813
Speaker 15: really really important in education as well that arts are

988
00:49:56,893 --> 00:49:58,853
Speaker 15: there as part of part of our education.

989
00:49:59,013 --> 00:50:01,973
Speaker 3: That's such a valuable message. Okay, the show is accessible,

990
00:50:02,053 --> 00:50:04,813
Speaker 3: So you've got cheaper tickets for seniors and for under thirties. Yes,

991
00:50:04,973 --> 00:50:08,853
Speaker 3: you've got New Zealand sign leag, good interpreters, audio described performances.

992
00:50:09,173 --> 00:50:11,733
Speaker 3: So how are you trying to adapt and trying to

993
00:50:11,813 --> 00:50:13,573
Speaker 3: bring in more people to live theater?

994
00:50:14,773 --> 00:50:17,613
Speaker 15: I think theater will always survive because we need to

995
00:50:17,653 --> 00:50:19,933
Speaker 15: see things as a group, We need to see it

996
00:50:20,093 --> 00:50:24,213
Speaker 15: as a community. We laugh louder, we cry deeper when

997
00:50:24,293 --> 00:50:26,773
Speaker 15: we see something together because that's when we know we're

998
00:50:26,853 --> 00:50:29,573
Speaker 15: not alone. Because when COVID taught us a lot of

999
00:50:29,613 --> 00:50:34,013
Speaker 15: things about being isolated, and a theater actually teaches us

1000
00:50:34,093 --> 00:50:35,493
Speaker 15: about being a community.

1001
00:50:35,613 --> 00:50:36,813
Speaker 3: It's a collective experience.

1002
00:50:36,893 --> 00:50:39,813
Speaker 15: Absolutely. You laugh with something with a whole room full

1003
00:50:39,853 --> 00:50:42,413
Speaker 15: of people and you go, it wasn't just me, Oh

1004
00:50:42,453 --> 00:50:45,773
Speaker 15: my god, that is so you. And then if you

1005
00:50:45,813 --> 00:50:49,893
Speaker 15: watch the same thing at home on your couch, then

1006
00:50:49,933 --> 00:50:50,653
Speaker 15: you go, oh.

1007
00:50:50,773 --> 00:50:51,293
Speaker 8: That's nice.

1008
00:50:51,773 --> 00:50:55,733
Speaker 15: But when you laugh together, you break the seating, you know.

1009
00:50:55,893 --> 00:50:58,253
Speaker 15: And that's when I worked at Mangoi Arts Center. That's

1010
00:50:58,293 --> 00:51:01,173
Speaker 15: what I learned there was that when they really enjoy

1011
00:51:01,253 --> 00:51:04,613
Speaker 15: in the South Aukland, they love something, they throw themselves

1012
00:51:05,053 --> 00:51:08,813
Speaker 15: physically at the show and love it to that map,

1013
00:51:08,933 --> 00:51:11,253
Speaker 15: to that extent, and that's what that's.

1014
00:51:11,293 --> 00:51:11,773
Speaker 2: Who we are.

1015
00:51:12,333 --> 00:51:14,613
Speaker 3: Fantastic, Hey, thank you so much for being here. We

1016
00:51:14,733 --> 00:51:16,933
Speaker 3: really appreciate it all the very best with the end

1017
00:51:16,973 --> 00:51:20,493
Speaker 3: of summertime and you can't wait to see it. Great

1018
00:51:20,693 --> 00:51:23,733
Speaker 3: Thanks Allison. That's Allison Quigan. She's directing End of Summertime.

1019
00:51:23,813 --> 00:51:28,293
Speaker 3: Tickets are available at ATC dot co dot nzet ATC

1020
00:51:28,453 --> 00:51:31,413
Speaker 3: for Auckland Theater Company. We'll make sure we've got all

1021
00:51:31,493 --> 00:51:34,133
Speaker 3: the details up on the news Talks EDB website.

1022
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Speaker 3: EDB twenty two past ten on news TALKSZB. Thank you

1026
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Speaker 3: so much for all of your messages. How about this

1027
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Speaker 3: Shawn Edwards Brown, My old drama teacher was Ben from

1028
00:51:52,733 --> 00:51:55,013
Speaker 3: Shorten Street who had the affair with Yvonne. He was

1029
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Speaker 3: listening and says good a so how I just I

1030
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Speaker 3: love New Zealand Day ninety two ninety two. If you

1031
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1032
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1033
00:52:06,693 --> 00:52:09,853
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1034
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Speaker 3: so great both as a personality and as a content creator.

1035
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Speaker 3: And couldn't agree more when it comes to the importance

1036
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Speaker 3: of creating local contents. As Harry, it is twenty two

1037
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Speaker 3: past ten, which means it's time to get your screen

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Speaker 3: time picks for this weekend. Three fantastic shows to watch

1039
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Speaker 3: your stream at home Tara Awards our screen time expert

1040
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Speaker 3: Get Atara. Good morning, Okay, let's kick things off with

1041
00:52:31,213 --> 00:52:34,213
Speaker 3: the latest David Attenborough. Tell us about Ocean with David

1042
00:52:34,293 --> 00:52:35,653
Speaker 3: Attenborough on Disney Plus.

1043
00:52:36,893 --> 00:52:39,813
Speaker 17: Yeah, this is to David A. Edinburgh's latest Nature Show,

1044
00:52:39,933 --> 00:52:42,373
Speaker 17: and it's a film rather than a series. It's on

1045
00:52:42,453 --> 00:52:45,533
Speaker 17: Disney Plus, but it's also screening in cinemas at the moment,

1046
00:52:46,013 --> 00:52:49,013
Speaker 17: and it's about the importance of the ocean to our planet.

1047
00:52:49,573 --> 00:52:52,733
Speaker 17: And the film was released on David Attenborough's ninety ninth birthday,

1048
00:52:52,893 --> 00:52:55,693
Speaker 17: so he's looking back over the last century to consider

1049
00:52:56,133 --> 00:52:59,133
Speaker 17: what we've learned about the ocean, the discoveries that we've made,

1050
00:52:59,213 --> 00:53:02,293
Speaker 17: the depth that we have literally reached, all of which

1051
00:53:02,373 --> 00:53:05,453
Speaker 17: have happened in relatively recent times and certainly in his

1052
00:53:05,573 --> 00:53:08,893
Speaker 17: own lifetime. And it's such a powerful documentary because it

1053
00:53:09,013 --> 00:53:12,293
Speaker 17: just pulls you in with this incredible photography. It's so

1054
00:53:12,533 --> 00:53:15,453
Speaker 17: stunning to watch. The colors are really vibrant, the storytelling

1055
00:53:15,573 --> 00:53:18,493
Speaker 17: is so good, as you would expect with David Edinburgh.

1056
00:53:19,053 --> 00:53:21,973
Speaker 17: And then it comes to an unavoidable part, which is

1057
00:53:22,053 --> 00:53:24,933
Speaker 17: that we are ruining the ocean with things like deep

1058
00:53:24,973 --> 00:53:28,053
Speaker 17: sea trawling and industrial overfishing. We're killing the ocean and

1059
00:53:28,293 --> 00:53:33,093
Speaker 17: ruining those ecosystems. And it's a pretty brutal, confronting message.

1060
00:53:33,213 --> 00:53:36,373
Speaker 17: But what's important here is that David Attenborough leaves us

1061
00:53:36,493 --> 00:53:39,013
Speaker 17: with a message of hope and that if we leave

1062
00:53:39,053 --> 00:53:42,213
Speaker 17: the ocean alone. If we protect more areas, they will

1063
00:53:42,293 --> 00:53:46,453
Speaker 17: regenerate and thrive and those ecosystems will rebuild, and how

1064
00:53:46,653 --> 00:53:48,693
Speaker 17: important that is to the rest of the health of

1065
00:53:48,733 --> 00:53:52,813
Speaker 17: the planet. So really, really powerful documentary. I really recommend it.

1066
00:53:52,933 --> 00:53:56,453
Speaker 17: It's so beautiful to watch. And of course Sir David

1067
00:53:56,573 --> 00:53:59,813
Speaker 17: Edinburgh in his one hundredth year, such a treasure and

1068
00:53:59,933 --> 00:54:01,253
Speaker 17: this is just so beautifully done.

1069
00:54:01,493 --> 00:54:03,693
Speaker 3: Fantastic. Yeah, I can't wait to see that. So that's

1070
00:54:03,733 --> 00:54:07,973
Speaker 3: on Disney Plus Ocean with David Attinborough. On Netflix, titan

1071
00:54:08,213 --> 00:54:09,573
Speaker 3: the Ocean Head Disaster.

1072
00:54:11,093 --> 00:54:14,053
Speaker 17: Yeah, this is a new Netflix documentary about the twenty

1073
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Speaker 17: twenty three disaster involving the ocean Gate submersible, which I'm

1074
00:54:17,533 --> 00:54:20,693
Speaker 17: sure people will remember was traveling down to the bottom

1075
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Speaker 17: of the Atlantic to see the wreck of the Titanic

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Speaker 17: when it imploded and killed the five people on board.

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Speaker 17: And this documentary looks at the events leading up to

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Speaker 17: the implosion, how the submersible was made, the warning signs

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Speaker 17: that were there that things could go wrong, and it

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Speaker 17: particularly looks at Stockton Rush, who was the wealthy businessman

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Speaker 17: whose dream was to become world famous by offering tourist

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Speaker 17: trips to down to the Titanic and who built the submersible,

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Speaker 17: and he does not come out of this well, but

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Speaker 17: it talks to a lot of employees and whistleblowers who

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Speaker 17: had left the company or were fired when they raise concerns.

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Speaker 17: There's a lot of behind the scenes footage as well,

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Speaker 17: which takes us into the room when they were building

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Speaker 17: that technology. And so this does answer a lot of

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Speaker 17: questions about what went on and how this was allowed

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Speaker 17: to happen, and it's story that has captured people's attention

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Speaker 17: since twenty twenty three. This only came to Netflix a

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Speaker 17: couple of days ago and it's already sitting in the

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Speaker 17: number one position in New Zealand. So you know, if

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Speaker 17: you do want to know more about it and understand

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Speaker 17: what happened, this documentary is a great place to start.

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Speaker 3: Nice That's titan the Ocean Head Disaster. It's on Netflix

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Speaker 3: and also on Netflix Paris Has Fallen.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, this is an action packed TV series. It's actually

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Speaker 17: a spin off of the Has Fallen series of movies

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Speaker 17: that starred Gered Butler. He's not in this, but this

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Speaker 17: is a thriller about a protection officer and an MI

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Speaker 17: six agent who team up after a terrorist attack in

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Speaker 17: Paris and they have to try and stop another bigger

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Speaker 17: attack from taking place. And if you want a realistic

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Speaker 17: political thriller, this isn't it. This is all about the

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Speaker 17: action and the chases and the stunts. It's quite violent,

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Speaker 17: but it moves along at a great pace. They are

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Speaker 17: running through France trying.

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Speaker 2: To save the world.

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Speaker 17: I expect this to get sillier, a bit more far

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Speaker 17: fetched as it goes along, but you know, it's one

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Speaker 17: of those shows.

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Speaker 2: You could put on.

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Speaker 17: You won't have to think about it and it will

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Speaker 17: just take you along for the ride.

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Speaker 18: Ah.

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Speaker 3: How good? All right, thanks so much, Tara. So that

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Speaker 3: is Paris has fallen. That's on Netflix. Titan the Ocean

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Speaker 3: Head Disaster is also on Netflix, and Ocean with David

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Speaker 3: Attenboough is on Disney Plus. We'll make sure all of

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Speaker 3: those shows are up on the Newstalk's he'db website as well.

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Speaker 3: Before eleven o'clock, our personal finance experts set himself a

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Speaker 3: challenge with no notice, so he couldn't prepare, couldn't go

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Speaker 3: and stop the shelves beforehand. He decided to see what

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Speaker 3: it would be like living on nothing but the pension

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Speaker 3: for a week now. There were some caveats. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: he didn't include his mortgage payment because I think they

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Speaker 3: say the idea with the pension is that will support

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Speaker 3: you if you're not paying a mortgage. But he's going

1130
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Speaker 3: to tell us about the experiment and what he learned

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Speaker 3: and doing that personally. Before eleven o'clock, it's just coming

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Speaker 3: up to ten thirty on Newstalks 'DB.

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team

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Speaker 1: on News Story.

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Speaker 3: This song is called Dreams and it's by a group

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Speaker 3: called King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, which I just

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Speaker 3: feel like is a fun name to say, King Gizzard

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Speaker 3: and the Lizard Wizard, not to be confused with confused

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Speaker 3: with King Lizard and the Wizard Gizzard or King Lizard

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Speaker 3: and the Wizard Gizzard. Definitely King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard,

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Speaker 3: not remotely confusing. It's been fifteen years now that King

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Speaker 3: Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard have been making music. To

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Speaker 3: get that, and you're not going to be able to

1144
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Speaker 3: guess how many albums they have created in that time. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it is enough to rival the releases of the Marvel

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Speaker 3: Comics Universe twenty seven albums. Is that madness crazy a

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Speaker 3: So they're assies notorious for experimenting with a wide range

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Speaker 3: of genres and they've certainly done that. So they just

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Speaker 3: released their twenty seventh album. It's called Phantom Island. It's

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Speaker 3: out now and we're gonna have a bit more of

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Speaker 3: a listen before midday today. Our music reviewer Estelle will

1152
00:58:38,213 --> 00:58:39,933
Speaker 3: be in as well to tell us a little bit

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Speaker 3: more about King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard and give

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Speaker 3: us her thoughts on the album as a whole. Thank

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00:58:44,613 --> 00:58:46,973
Speaker 3: you so much for your feedback. I've had gazillions of

1156
00:58:47,013 --> 00:58:48,813
Speaker 3: messages and flip me a note to say, Jack, I

1157
00:58:48,933 --> 00:58:51,693
Speaker 3: was at a targo when Sir Roger Hall was teaching playwriting.

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Speaker 3: You would pass him in the corridor and there would

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Speaker 3: be an amused smile on his face. It was as

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Speaker 3: if he could see right through you. Definitely an observationalist

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Speaker 3: in such a gentle manner. His plays as a commentary

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Speaker 3: on Kiwi middle class culture have enabled us to laugh

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Speaker 3: at ourselves and be less self conscious about our foibles. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a really good way of describing them.

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Speaker 3: Next year, and he is really really good at at

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Speaker 3: letting us laugh at ourselves. I think it's a good

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Speaker 3: way to think about it. Regarding education, Jack, we should

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Speaker 3: be teaching We should not be teaching more. We should

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Speaker 3: be teaching rather more people how to feed themselves, says Michael,

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Speaker 3: I reckon, this is fundamental when it comes to an education.

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Speaker 3: So much reliance is on supermarkets or on takeaways, on

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Speaker 3: getting food to our doors. I think actually teaching people

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Speaker 3: some core life skills should be one of the fundamental

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Speaker 3: things we focus on when it comes to the education

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Speaker 3: of the future. Yep, I don't disagree with you on

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Speaker 3: that one. And it turns out I'm not the only

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Speaker 3: one who had to battle away and learning tea line

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Speaker 3: shorthand back in the day, the sleepless nights Jack, that

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Speaker 3: I spent trying to pass my tea line exam. Oh

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Speaker 3: put me in a cold sweat. We had to reach

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Speaker 3: ninety words a minute. See, I only had to pass

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Speaker 3: eighty words a minute to get agree. You had to

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Speaker 3: do ninety words a minute. It took a lot of effort,

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Speaker 3: but we did get there in the end. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for that. Ninety two to ninety two. If you want

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Speaker 3: to send us a text message this morning, I'll get

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Speaker 3: tomorrow your feedback very shortly. Next up, though, our tech

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01:00:16,213 --> 01:00:19,333
Speaker 3: spurt is in and a big change is coming to

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Speaker 3: Apple products that is going to completely change the way

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Speaker 3: that call screening is done. So when you call people

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Speaker 3: in the future, when you dial them up, you're going

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Speaker 3: to have to say exactly why you're calling them, and

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Speaker 3: when the person you're calling gets the notification, they're going

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Speaker 3: to know why you've dialed them up. So what's it

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Speaker 3: going to mean? Our textbot with his thoughts very shortly.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking.

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Speaker 19: BREAKFA interesting stats on our public service workforces down three

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Speaker 19: point one percent.

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Speaker 8: What's that meaning jobs?

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Speaker 3: Well, two thousand are gone, but quarterly we now have

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Speaker 3: a zero point four percent increase.

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Speaker 7: Cameron Bagri Independent economists with that.

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Speaker 19: Old sort of adage about this lies as damn laws

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Speaker 19: and statistics now survive. We're locker Dublin perst and our

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Speaker 19: expenses are up three point one percent. That doesn't persignify

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Speaker 19: too much to the typening in regard to what's going on,

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Speaker 19: So there might be a little bit of hodgpodging. There's

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Speaker 19: a lot of writers about the government typening the belt,

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Speaker 19: but all the savings are backloaded to the structural gift,

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Speaker 19: so it's still deteriorating. Over the coming twelve months.

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Speaker 6: It's going to get wet back Monday from six am

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Speaker 6: the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Mayley's Real Estate News Talk zed.

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Speaker 3: B twenty four two ten on News Talk s ed B.

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Speaker 3: Disney and Universal are suing an AI company for the

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Speaker 3: video generation technology that it has introduced. So basically, if

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Speaker 3: you want to create your own scene, say starring Homer

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Speaker 3: Simpson or a Star Wars character, well there is this

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Speaker 3: AI generator called mid Journey that can do just that,

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Speaker 3: but for how long. Paul Stenhouse is a texpert, he's

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Speaker 3: with us this morning.

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Speaker 16: Hey Paul, Hey, yeah, no, this is this is causing

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Speaker 16: issues in Hollywood, Jack because the people who create this stuff,

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Speaker 16: and let's be honest, the people who own this stuff, yeah,

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Speaker 16: don't particularly like it that you can just say, make

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Speaker 16: Homo Simpson do x, or make me a Star Wars character,

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Speaker 16: or have a minion go down a slide and eat

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Speaker 16: an ice cream. You know, like you can do any

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Speaker 16: of these things, and it's getting so good that it

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Speaker 16: is kind of indistinguishable from the actual content that these

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Speaker 16: people create.

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Speaker 11: And you know, we pay for and pay to see and.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, they do images, they do video, and I have

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Speaker 16: to say so, they've Disney Universal have teamed up to

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Speaker 16: sue them.

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Speaker 3: The suit hit court this week and.

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Speaker 16: The studios called it a virtual vending machine, this company

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Speaker 16: in the Journey and said it as a bottomless pit

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Speaker 16: of plagiarism, which is a fantastic I don't know I

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Speaker 16: came up with that, because that's a great pace, a

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Speaker 16: bottomless pit of plagiarism. But all these AI companies have

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Speaker 16: been using copyrighted material right and they've been doing it

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Speaker 16: for the chat GPTs of the world too when it

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Speaker 16: comes to text content, and they're doing all of this

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Speaker 16: under we're gonna get geeky. The copyright kind of laws

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Speaker 16: have a thing called fair use, and so they're saying, wow,

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Speaker 16: this is fair use.

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Speaker 3: And what this lawsuit basically says is is not.

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Speaker 16: The lawsuit wants damages of one hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 16: dollars per infringement.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 16: So when you look at the list in the court

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Speaker 16: in the suit, it's probably going to be twenty million

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Speaker 16: US dollars trying to get in damages. And here's the

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Speaker 16: thing they really want is the injunction from the judge

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Speaker 16: that would immediately stop their operations and stop this stuff

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Speaker 16: from happening. So this is going to be one of

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Speaker 16: these cases we're starting to see the effects of AI

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Speaker 16: coming to the quote unquote real world. This one is

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Speaker 16: going to be a big kind of scene setter for

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Speaker 16: where we can go with image and video generation moving forward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a scene ceter and a precedencetera. I would think,

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Speaker 3: kay when it comes to, you know, the kind of

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Speaker 3: tensions with these big companies that oversee lots of creative work.

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Speaker 3: Apple has announced various upgrades for all of its products,

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Speaker 3: but bringing in call screening. Now, I thought we already

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Speaker 3: had call screening, but this is a call screening that

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Speaker 3: puts the onus on the call. It does.

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Speaker 16: So people didn't like it when caller ID first came

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Speaker 16: out and they said, what, it's a breach.

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Speaker 4: In my place.

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Speaker 16: I don't want to I don't want to have to. Well, now, yeah,

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Speaker 16: you're going to have to say why are you calling?

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Speaker 10: Why are you calling me is the central question for this.

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Speaker 16: So you can set your phone up in this new

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Speaker 16: version so that it will ask that question, and then

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Speaker 16: you will need to say why you're calling, and if

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Speaker 16: you're not interested, you're going to ignore the call. Wow, telemarketers,

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Speaker 16: I don't think they're going to like this. Are they

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Speaker 16: the cold calling salespeople?

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Speaker 1: They're not going to like that.

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Speaker 7: The I don't know.

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Speaker 16: I guess the church goers. They still knock on your

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Speaker 16: front door, don't they. So I guess they're fine. But no,

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Speaker 16: this is a this is a real problem in the US.

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Speaker 16: We've got a real issue with spam calls, and this

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Speaker 16: I think is a direct.

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Speaker 5: Relution for that.

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Speaker 16: Yeah. I mean I used to be one of these

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01:04:55,893 --> 01:04:58,693
Speaker 16: people that would answer every phone call that came to

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Speaker 16: my phone, and now I've turned into one of those

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01:05:01,013 --> 01:05:03,733
Speaker 16: people that has it on silent constantly, and you know,

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Speaker 16: I never pick it up because I'm just going to

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01:05:05,773 --> 01:05:08,493
Speaker 16: get some robo call that's telling me that my car

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01:05:08,973 --> 01:05:11,453
Speaker 16: tolls haven't been paid, and Jack, I don't even own

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01:05:11,493 --> 01:05:14,253
Speaker 16: a car. Yeah, So so you know, this is this

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Speaker 16: is the sort of thing that is going to be

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Speaker 16: really helpful.

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Speaker 3: So I can see real utility when you think about

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Speaker 3: it in the context of telemarketers. But what about if

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01:05:22,613 --> 01:05:25,493
Speaker 3: you're just like messaging your friends or calling your friends

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01:05:25,613 --> 01:05:28,213
Speaker 3: or someone in your contacts, does that does it. Do

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01:05:28,293 --> 01:05:29,813
Speaker 3: you have to describe why you're calling them?

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01:05:30,413 --> 01:05:33,133
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think I'm assuming it's going to be. They

1304
01:05:33,173 --> 01:05:35,213
Speaker 16: haven't given all the details, but I'm assuming there will

1305
01:05:35,253 --> 01:05:38,573
Speaker 16: be settings. I will guess that because you can even

1306
01:05:38,613 --> 01:05:40,573
Speaker 16: do things at the moment, like if you call twice

1307
01:05:41,133 --> 01:05:44,253
Speaker 16: in the same thirty second yehs overrides you do not disturb.

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01:05:44,453 --> 01:05:45,893
Speaker 16: I have a feeling they're going to be able. You're

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01:05:45,893 --> 01:05:47,613
Speaker 16: going to be able to do some toggling here. But

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Speaker 16: this is in this next version of iOS now named

1311
01:05:50,253 --> 01:05:51,493
Speaker 16: iOS twenty six.

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Speaker 10: That's the future year.

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Speaker 16: Remember they jumped it up so that it actually now

1314
01:05:56,653 --> 01:05:57,933
Speaker 16: aligns with the calendar, which.

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Speaker 3: Because it was iOS eighteen or something previously.

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01:06:00,213 --> 01:06:00,373
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:06:00,453 --> 01:06:03,453
Speaker 16: Yeah, so this is the this is the reversioning and

1318
01:06:03,853 --> 01:06:05,093
Speaker 16: this will be in that So it's going to be

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01:06:05,093 --> 01:06:07,453
Speaker 16: a wee while away. But interesting to see exactly how

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01:06:07,493 --> 01:06:10,253
Speaker 16: they do rule it out, because at that point, maybe

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01:06:10,293 --> 01:06:12,053
Speaker 16: if you have to explain why you're calling, just send

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01:06:12,093 --> 01:06:12,453
Speaker 16: a text.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which I'd prefer, no totally. Another big announcement

1324
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Speaker 3: from Apple at that same conference is that Car Play,

1325
01:06:19,893 --> 01:06:22,813
Speaker 3: So the system that you use when you plug your

1326
01:06:22,853 --> 01:06:25,853
Speaker 3: Apple phone into your car, that's going to be much

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Speaker 3: more customizable for different cars.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, so this is a really interesting one because a

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01:06:31,133 --> 01:06:34,733
Speaker 16: lot of car makers have integrated with Android Auto or

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01:06:35,453 --> 01:06:38,413
Speaker 16: car Play and often had their own system as well,

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01:06:39,133 --> 01:06:41,213
Speaker 16: and so there's always kind of been it's never felt

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Speaker 16: very connected between the two. Right, You've got your kind

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01:06:44,253 --> 01:06:46,853
Speaker 16: of dash over here on one side, and then you've

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01:06:46,853 --> 01:06:48,653
Speaker 16: got the main screen sort of in the middle with

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01:06:48,733 --> 01:06:50,533
Speaker 16: your car Play or Android Auto.

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Speaker 11: But Apple is now allowing car.

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Speaker 16: Makers to deeply integrate with it, and it goes both ways.

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Speaker 16: So they've teamed up with Aston Martin so everyone listening

1339
01:07:01,613 --> 01:07:03,413
Speaker 16: will be able to get this feature as soon as

1340
01:07:03,453 --> 01:07:08,373
Speaker 16: it launches, and they've collaborate to make it super integrated

1341
01:07:08,413 --> 01:07:11,373
Speaker 16: so that on your main screen you'll be able to

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01:07:11,453 --> 01:07:13,893
Speaker 16: do things like you can in your Tesla, like control

1343
01:07:14,933 --> 01:07:18,413
Speaker 16: the air and control the temperature and the driving preferences

1344
01:07:18,453 --> 01:07:21,213
Speaker 16: of your car. But also you'll be able to bring

1345
01:07:21,373 --> 01:07:24,333
Speaker 16: widgets from your phone, like your music and things like

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01:07:24,413 --> 01:07:28,613
Speaker 16: that directly onto your dash, so beside your speedometer, which

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01:07:29,213 --> 01:07:31,413
Speaker 16: is kind of cool. But it's the type of thing

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01:07:31,573 --> 01:07:33,413
Speaker 16: like a lot of these cars have had, but you've

1349
01:07:33,493 --> 01:07:36,733
Speaker 16: had to use their proprietary software. So this kind of

1350
01:07:37,133 --> 01:07:40,253
Speaker 16: gives you another option now, but it will have to

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01:07:40,333 --> 01:07:43,213
Speaker 16: be deeply, deeply kind of integrated, and I think Apple

1352
01:07:43,293 --> 01:07:45,493
Speaker 16: is going to be pretty particular. I imagine with who

1353
01:07:45,533 --> 01:07:47,253
Speaker 16: they work with, which is probably where they started with

1354
01:07:47,333 --> 01:07:48,053
Speaker 16: Aston Martin.

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Speaker 3: Yes, true, that thanks so much, Paul, appreciate your time

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Speaker 3: as always. That is our texpert, Paul Stenhouse. Before eleven,

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01:07:54,053 --> 01:07:58,413
Speaker 3: we're in the gardener. Next, our personal finance expert has

1358
01:07:58,733 --> 01:08:01,213
Speaker 3: undertaken an experiment. He wanted to see just how tough

1359
01:08:01,293 --> 01:08:03,533
Speaker 3: it would be for him as a non retired person

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Speaker 3: living on nothing but the pension for all week.

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Speaker 1: No bitter wait to kick off your weekend. Then with

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Speaker 1: Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Day and befew it dot

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Speaker 1: co dot Nz for high quality supplements used talk.

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Speaker 3: There'd be quarter to eleven on news talks. He'd b

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01:08:19,613 --> 01:08:22,733
Speaker 3: ed McKnight from Opie's Partners is with us this morning. Hey, Ed,

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01:08:23,413 --> 01:08:24,053
Speaker 3: great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Jack.

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Speaker 3: You have come up with a fantastic idea for a challenge.

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01:08:27,893 --> 01:08:30,013
Speaker 3: I don't envy you, but give us the details.

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Speaker 18: Well, one of the big questions that a lot of

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Speaker 18: New Zealanders worry about, it is a lot of anxiety

1372
01:08:35,293 --> 01:08:38,773
Speaker 18: around this is can you actually live on the New

1373
01:08:38,853 --> 01:08:42,653
Speaker 18: Zealand superannuation because sometimes you read news articles that say

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01:08:43,133 --> 01:08:46,813
Speaker 18: absolutely not, it's impossible, and other times you hear actually,

1375
01:08:46,933 --> 01:08:50,333
Speaker 18: some people are doing okay. So the challenge that I've

1376
01:08:50,413 --> 01:08:52,853
Speaker 18: come up with is could I live on New Zealand

1377
01:08:52,933 --> 01:08:55,013
Speaker 18: Super for a week so that I can find out

1378
01:08:55,133 --> 01:08:58,013
Speaker 18: that answer for myself? Is it enough for me? So

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Speaker 18: that's about five hundred and thirty nine dollars if you're

1380
01:09:00,573 --> 01:09:03,093
Speaker 18: a single person, or eight hundred and twenty eight dollars

1381
01:09:03,253 --> 01:09:06,093
Speaker 18: a week if you are a couple. Now, if you

1382
01:09:06,133 --> 01:09:08,613
Speaker 18: are to do this challenge, there are there's some good news.

1383
01:09:09,133 --> 01:09:11,133
Speaker 18: If you own your own home and you're currently paying

1384
01:09:11,173 --> 01:09:13,653
Speaker 18: your mortgage, hopefully that will be gone by the time

1385
01:09:13,773 --> 01:09:16,413
Speaker 18: you retire, so you don't have to count that. And

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01:09:16,533 --> 01:09:19,893
Speaker 18: as I discovered, some of your commuting costs really start

1387
01:09:19,973 --> 01:09:25,493
Speaker 18: to add up. So the challenge started and I called

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01:09:25,533 --> 01:09:27,733
Speaker 18: up my friend Andrew and I said, come on, we're

1389
01:09:27,773 --> 01:09:30,173
Speaker 18: going to try this for a week, and with no planning,

1390
01:09:30,653 --> 01:09:34,213
Speaker 18: no preparation, we just started tomorrow. And I tell you what, Jack,

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01:09:34,453 --> 01:09:37,053
Speaker 18: it does make you really conscious of what you spend.

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Speaker 18: So of my five hundred and thirty eight dollars a week,

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01:09:40,213 --> 01:09:42,933
Speaker 18: my daily parking in the city was four percent of

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01:09:43,053 --> 01:09:44,093
Speaker 18: my pension is paid.

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01:09:44,213 --> 01:09:47,973
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, of course, and that's every day. So

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01:09:48,093 --> 01:09:50,653
Speaker 3: if you're going into work over the space of a week,

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01:09:50,733 --> 01:09:52,453
Speaker 3: you've got twenty percent of your pay gone.

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01:09:53,253 --> 01:09:53,453
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: Now, hopefully, if you're going to be retired, you're not

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01:09:56,133 --> 01:09:57,693
Speaker 18: going to have to worry about that, so you can,

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01:09:57,973 --> 01:09:59,973
Speaker 18: you know, you can be a little bit nice to yourself.

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01:10:00,333 --> 01:10:03,333
Speaker 18: But I realized that even though I'm having porridge in

1403
01:10:03,413 --> 01:10:06,053
Speaker 18: the morning, that was still costing five dollars a day,

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01:10:06,573 --> 01:10:06,813
Speaker 18: and I.

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01:10:06,933 --> 01:10:09,813
Speaker 11: Was like, wow, no, no, no break.

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01:10:10,733 --> 01:10:12,213
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 18: So my friend Andrew, on the first day of the challenge,

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01:10:15,813 --> 01:10:17,853
Speaker 18: he said, look, I'm going to I'm going to be

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01:10:17,933 --> 01:10:20,613
Speaker 18: really money smart and I'm just going to skip lunch

1410
01:10:20,813 --> 01:10:23,613
Speaker 18: in order to save money. And then by the time

1411
01:10:23,653 --> 01:10:25,533
Speaker 18: he gets to four o'clock he is two hungry, so

1412
01:10:25,613 --> 01:10:27,773
Speaker 18: he goes out and buys it. But what that made

1413
01:10:27,813 --> 01:10:31,213
Speaker 18: me realize, Jack, is you sometimes read about people skipping

1414
01:10:31,333 --> 01:10:34,173
Speaker 18: meals and you think, do people really do that? And

1415
01:10:34,293 --> 01:10:36,733
Speaker 18: the day one of Andrew just trying to live on

1416
01:10:36,813 --> 01:10:40,013
Speaker 18: the pinch at his pay and they're already getting into

1417
01:10:40,053 --> 01:10:42,253
Speaker 18: skipping meals, I was like, Wow, this is the reality

1418
01:10:42,573 --> 01:10:45,373
Speaker 18: filling up your car that also will scat it Jesus

1419
01:10:45,413 --> 01:10:47,453
Speaker 18: out if you're that offer coss over one hundred dollars.

1420
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Speaker 18: And so what this challenge made me realize is if

1421
01:10:51,653 --> 01:10:54,253
Speaker 18: you are going to live on enzet super you do

1422
01:10:54,453 --> 01:10:57,573
Speaker 18: need to be a really good planner. You're probably not

1423
01:10:57,733 --> 01:11:00,333
Speaker 18: filling out pr car every single week, You're probably not

1424
01:11:00,493 --> 01:11:04,333
Speaker 18: going on their road trips. And the thing that this

1425
01:11:05,173 --> 01:11:07,333
Speaker 18: also taught me is that if I was to just

1426
01:11:07,413 --> 01:11:09,693
Speaker 18: live on the pension, I'd need to live a really

1427
01:11:09,813 --> 01:11:12,693
Speaker 18: really simple life, you know, not doing too many things

1428
01:11:12,733 --> 01:11:15,573
Speaker 18: because the cost these days really really add up.

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01:11:15,893 --> 01:11:16,093
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: The reason I like this is that there is a

1431
01:11:19,733 --> 01:11:22,453
Speaker 18: lot of anxiety around retiring and people think, here's the

1432
01:11:22,493 --> 01:11:24,653
Speaker 18: pension enough, So I reckon people should give it a go.

1433
01:11:24,933 --> 01:11:27,813
Speaker 18: Because if you find you can live on super great

1434
01:11:27,933 --> 01:11:30,173
Speaker 18: happy you don't have to worry about your retirement, and

1435
01:11:30,293 --> 01:11:32,893
Speaker 18: if you can't, maybe this will skw you into doing

1436
01:11:32,973 --> 01:11:33,613
Speaker 18: something about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just think it's such a valuable kind of exercise

1439
01:11:37,653 --> 01:11:41,493
Speaker 3: for people who are approaching retirement and want to see

1440
01:11:41,733 --> 01:11:45,133
Speaker 3: in real terms how they would get by, and probably

1441
01:11:45,653 --> 01:11:49,413
Speaker 3: in some cases a bit of a you know, a

1442
01:11:49,533 --> 01:11:51,493
Speaker 3: bit of a lightning rod, a bit of a kickup

1443
01:11:51,533 --> 01:11:53,573
Speaker 3: the backside to say, you know what, do what you

1444
01:11:53,693 --> 01:11:56,373
Speaker 3: can now to supplement So but if that's not going

1445
01:11:56,453 --> 01:11:58,013
Speaker 3: to be enough, and.

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01:11:58,213 --> 01:12:00,533
Speaker 18: Well, my question for you, Jack is are you going

1447
01:12:00,613 --> 01:12:01,053
Speaker 18: to give it a go?

1448
01:12:01,253 --> 01:12:01,413
Speaker 5: Now?

1449
01:12:02,013 --> 01:12:05,573
Speaker 3: You know what I reckon, it's going to be two

1450
01:12:05,653 --> 01:12:07,893
Speaker 3: tricky yeed And I swear I'm not just saying that

1451
01:12:08,093 --> 01:12:11,933
Speaker 3: only because hopefully when I'm retired, I won't have two

1452
01:12:12,213 --> 01:12:16,093
Speaker 3: little mouths to be feeding. And how mortgage payments are

1453
01:12:16,133 --> 01:12:18,573
Speaker 3: significant as well, so you know, I could take that

1454
01:12:18,733 --> 01:12:22,293
Speaker 3: out of things. But yeah, maybe I could come up

1455
01:12:22,333 --> 01:12:25,613
Speaker 3: with a version of it where at the very least

1456
01:12:25,693 --> 01:12:27,893
Speaker 3: I was forced to confront some of that kind of

1457
01:12:28,053 --> 01:12:31,893
Speaker 3: discretionary spending like buying my lunch that perhaps I don't

1458
01:12:32,253 --> 01:12:34,373
Speaker 3: give as much thought to as I should, you know.

1459
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Speaker 18: And the main thing is just making it real for

1460
01:12:37,453 --> 01:12:40,173
Speaker 18: every person, because we each have different lives in different

1461
01:12:40,893 --> 01:12:43,053
Speaker 18: ways that we go about our days if we've got

1462
01:12:43,093 --> 01:12:44,613
Speaker 18: to go to work or we work from home and

1463
01:12:44,693 --> 01:12:47,093
Speaker 18: all of these things. But if we strip it back

1464
01:12:47,173 --> 01:12:49,253
Speaker 18: and take out some of those expenses and think, well,

1465
01:12:49,293 --> 01:12:52,493
Speaker 18: what does the pension mean for me and my life?

1466
01:12:52,573 --> 01:12:54,933
Speaker 18: And would that be okay, you're going to get one

1467
01:12:54,973 --> 01:12:57,413
Speaker 18: of those two answers. Actually, I'm going to be totally

1468
01:12:57,493 --> 01:13:00,973
Speaker 18: happy on Super and I no longer have to worry

1469
01:13:01,013 --> 01:13:03,813
Speaker 18: about retirement or well I need to get a into

1470
01:13:03,933 --> 01:13:06,933
Speaker 18: g and start investing. I speaking to a lady who

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01:13:07,173 --> 01:13:09,653
Speaker 18: gave us a go after hearing us talk about it

1472
01:13:09,733 --> 01:13:13,253
Speaker 18: on our podcast, and she said, God, I really need

1473
01:13:13,373 --> 01:13:15,373
Speaker 18: to invest because that's not going to be it for me.

1474
01:13:15,573 --> 01:13:17,493
Speaker 18: I'm not to be just with it on and said Super.

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01:13:17,813 --> 01:13:20,173
Speaker 3: Yeah. See, just knowing that is such a valuable kind

1476
01:13:20,173 --> 01:13:22,333
Speaker 3: of lesson and knowing it hopefully with a little bit

1477
01:13:22,333 --> 01:13:25,093
Speaker 3: of runway between you know where you are now and

1478
01:13:25,453 --> 01:13:28,333
Speaker 3: we are going to be come sixty five or sixty

1479
01:13:28,373 --> 01:13:30,813
Speaker 3: seven or whatever the super ages when you get to

1480
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Speaker 3: that time of life. Thank you so much, Ed, what

1481
01:13:32,893 --> 01:13:35,773
Speaker 3: a great exercise. Really appreciate that that is. Think check

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01:13:36,013 --> 01:13:38,453
Speaker 3: that is Ed McKnight from Op's Partners. We're in the

1483
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Speaker 3: garden next on newstalk 'DB. It's ten to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Gardening. We still sharp unbeatable Field Day specials in stores now.

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01:13:47,373 --> 01:13:51,773
Speaker 3: Rootlimb passes our man in the garden. Good morning, good

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01:13:51,853 --> 01:13:52,413
Speaker 3: morning Jack.

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Speaker 7: Have you got possums?

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01:13:54,413 --> 01:13:58,333
Speaker 3: Ah, we don't have possums. I look knocking wood everywhere.

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01:13:58,733 --> 01:14:01,333
Speaker 3: I actually think at the moment, we don't have too

1490
01:14:01,453 --> 01:14:03,573
Speaker 3: many peaces. I'm not even sure that we have rats

1491
01:14:03,573 --> 01:14:04,933
Speaker 3: at the moment. I put out my trap and I

1492
01:14:04,973 --> 01:14:05,613
Speaker 3: get nothing in it.

1493
01:14:07,173 --> 01:14:10,253
Speaker 7: Oh okay, well that that sounds good. Maybe we could

1494
01:14:10,333 --> 01:14:12,253
Speaker 7: change some bait, yes, to make sure.

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01:14:12,333 --> 01:14:15,253
Speaker 3: You know, maybe they can smell me. That's always my concern,

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01:14:15,453 --> 01:14:17,773
Speaker 3: you know, Yes.

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01:14:17,853 --> 01:14:21,413
Speaker 7: Exactly exactly. I remember Paul Home saying the same thing. Now,

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01:14:21,453 --> 01:14:23,693
Speaker 7: I haven't got possums, so I taught them how to

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01:14:24,413 --> 01:14:29,413
Speaker 7: how to imitate possums, Like he says, I hit it

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Speaker 7: every night.

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01:14:30,453 --> 01:14:34,973
Speaker 3: He said, yeah, and you know all the damage you're getting, yeah,

1502
01:14:35,053 --> 01:14:37,093
Speaker 3: on your fruit trees and everything else. Yeah, I think

1503
01:14:37,133 --> 01:14:37,493
Speaker 3: they might have.

1504
01:14:39,373 --> 01:14:40,493
Speaker 2: Yes, it does exactly.

1505
01:14:40,613 --> 01:14:42,893
Speaker 7: That was very funny actually, but you're absolutely right that

1506
01:14:43,413 --> 01:14:46,613
Speaker 7: that's o work. I've chuck some pictures in there of

1507
01:14:46,733 --> 01:14:49,133
Speaker 7: all sorts of trees that they have been literally chewed

1508
01:14:49,173 --> 01:14:52,613
Speaker 7: to bump to buggery as we call it, with by possums.

1509
01:14:52,693 --> 01:14:56,893
Speaker 7: And you don't sometimes really realize that that's what these

1510
01:14:56,933 --> 01:15:01,573
Speaker 7: guys are doing. It's unbelievable. The other sign is scratches

1511
01:15:01,653 --> 01:15:05,133
Speaker 7: on the back, so when they climb up, they have

1512
01:15:05,293 --> 01:15:09,173
Speaker 7: these enormous what do you call it, and feet that

1513
01:15:09,293 --> 01:15:13,013
Speaker 7: can actually make enormous cretuous and it's probably also a

1514
01:15:13,173 --> 01:15:15,093
Speaker 7: marking of territory, I would say that.

1515
01:15:16,253 --> 01:15:16,453
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1516
01:15:17,773 --> 01:15:21,453
Speaker 7: And then under underneath the tree always find their pools

1517
01:15:21,493 --> 01:15:24,333
Speaker 7: as well, which are quite clever to see. They're slightly

1518
01:15:24,373 --> 01:15:26,973
Speaker 7: bigger than redspools of twice three times to size if

1519
01:15:27,013 --> 01:15:29,933
Speaker 7: you like, and quite solid. But you can always tell

1520
01:15:30,013 --> 01:15:32,693
Speaker 7: them that's uh, that's those are the gigs and it's

1521
01:15:32,733 --> 01:15:35,813
Speaker 7: really good. But what you just mentioned was really called

1522
01:15:35,853 --> 01:15:39,813
Speaker 7: the old lemon trees and mandarin trees and things like that.

1523
01:15:40,173 --> 01:15:40,893
Speaker 7: Goodness me.

1524
01:15:41,453 --> 01:15:43,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever seen it?

1525
01:15:44,053 --> 01:15:47,413
Speaker 3: No, I mean I've I've seen not I'm not sure

1526
01:15:47,453 --> 01:15:49,973
Speaker 3: I've seen it on the on the fruit trees necessarily.

1527
01:15:50,013 --> 01:15:51,693
Speaker 3: I've seen the photos and the fruit trees. But I

1528
01:15:51,773 --> 01:15:53,853
Speaker 3: mean they absolutely go to town, right.

1529
01:15:54,733 --> 01:15:58,213
Speaker 7: They certainly do. Especially the posts, especially in terms of

1530
01:15:58,293 --> 01:16:03,453
Speaker 7: for instance, citrus, they you the the the whole skin

1531
01:16:03,533 --> 01:16:07,453
Speaker 7: of not the actual fruit. Often that it's just somebody

1532
01:16:07,453 --> 01:16:11,493
Speaker 7: who's been there overnight and basically peeling all the skin

1533
01:16:11,613 --> 01:16:13,733
Speaker 7: of the fruit. And it's just incredible to see that

1534
01:16:14,253 --> 01:16:16,693
Speaker 7: that's what they tend to like to do. Yeah, that's

1535
01:16:16,773 --> 01:16:19,933
Speaker 7: exactly what it is. So the problem we had earlier

1536
01:16:20,013 --> 01:16:22,133
Speaker 7: on a couple of decades ago, you know, when we

1537
01:16:22,213 --> 01:16:25,613
Speaker 7: set up Project Crimson ours Porto Kawa was being done

1538
01:16:25,693 --> 01:16:30,733
Speaker 7: up by these cri robbers, and that's basically what we

1539
01:16:30,893 --> 01:16:34,373
Speaker 7: try to achieve to get that stopped and to get

1540
01:16:34,373 --> 01:16:38,013
Speaker 7: the PoTA Kawo back in Northland in good numbers. And

1541
01:16:38,133 --> 01:16:42,413
Speaker 7: that's been working quite well. Actually, that's nice. But then

1542
01:16:42,493 --> 01:16:45,573
Speaker 7: I came across a bit of a statistic. If you

1543
01:16:45,653 --> 01:16:48,773
Speaker 7: take all the possums in New Zealand together, they eat

1544
01:16:49,293 --> 01:16:54,733
Speaker 7: each snide twenty one thousand tons of vegetable material.

1545
01:16:54,893 --> 01:16:54,933
Speaker 2: What.

1546
01:16:56,373 --> 01:16:59,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's not why do we have that much

1547
01:16:59,373 --> 01:17:00,293
Speaker 3: available for them?

1548
01:17:01,333 --> 01:17:01,853
Speaker 2: No, that's it.

1549
01:17:02,133 --> 01:17:03,893
Speaker 7: And that is of course, that's, by the way, the

1550
01:17:03,973 --> 01:17:06,013
Speaker 7: same weight as the sky tower.

1551
01:17:06,733 --> 01:17:07,933
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

1552
01:17:08,453 --> 01:17:11,613
Speaker 7: Yeahah, So that means that a lot of trees are

1553
01:17:11,693 --> 01:17:15,653
Speaker 7: being damaged absolutely, ye. Yeah, and that and that and

1554
01:17:15,773 --> 01:17:17,853
Speaker 7: that also means that, of course there will be all

1555
01:17:17,933 --> 01:17:21,853
Speaker 7: sorts of troubles with our with our carbon sequestration and

1556
01:17:22,053 --> 01:17:25,573
Speaker 7: all that sort of stuff that keeps on going. So

1557
01:17:25,853 --> 01:17:29,333
Speaker 7: what do you do get a possent trip? Yeah, and

1558
01:17:29,573 --> 01:17:31,453
Speaker 7: you know one of the one of those tim strips

1559
01:17:31,813 --> 01:17:34,693
Speaker 7: or a flip and Timmy. They're good. But they said,

1560
01:17:34,733 --> 01:17:38,933
Speaker 7: you've also got these trips that reset themselves and they

1561
01:17:39,013 --> 01:17:41,893
Speaker 7: go time after time after time. And here comes the

1562
01:17:42,013 --> 01:17:44,533
Speaker 7: best gig I have for you. That's from Cam Speedy,

1563
01:17:44,613 --> 01:17:46,453
Speaker 7: the guy that was at the Kiwi Uween last week.

1564
01:17:46,653 --> 01:17:48,773
Speaker 7: We were in Rotoro, were talking about Kiwi and doing it.

1565
01:17:49,453 --> 01:17:53,413
Speaker 7: You make a blaze which is a white drawn thing

1566
01:17:53,493 --> 01:17:56,813
Speaker 7: on the trunk with flour one kilogram and icing sugar,

1567
01:17:57,333 --> 01:17:58,493
Speaker 7: have a go oh.

1568
01:17:58,533 --> 01:18:00,453
Speaker 3: Nice and a bit of cinnamon, but a peach, but

1569
01:18:00,533 --> 01:18:03,933
Speaker 3: a eucalyptus maybe some vanilla reasons. Sounds like you got

1570
01:18:03,933 --> 01:18:07,173
Speaker 3: this boy. Yeah, you have we elastics for those possums.

1571
01:18:07,213 --> 01:18:07,773
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1572
01:18:07,853 --> 01:18:08,013
Speaker 7: Rub.

1573
01:18:08,053 --> 01:18:10,013
Speaker 3: We'll put that little mix actually from Cam up on

1574
01:18:10,133 --> 01:18:13,533
Speaker 3: the News talks 'DB website. After eleven o'clock, our travel

1575
01:18:13,533 --> 01:18:17,413
Speaker 3: correspondent is taking us all to a bucketless destination the

1576
01:18:17,533 --> 01:18:21,253
Speaker 3: Galapagos Islands. Can't wait for that. It's almost eleven. News

1577
01:18:21,413 --> 01:18:22,013
Speaker 3: is next.

1578
01:18:23,413 --> 01:18:27,093
Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going through

1579
01:18:27,173 --> 01:18:30,053
Speaker 1: the weekend with bpure Dot cot on in here for

1580
01:18:30,213 --> 01:18:32,493
Speaker 1: high quality supplements. News Talks dB.

1581
01:18:55,173 --> 01:18:55,373
Speaker 6: More.

1582
01:18:55,773 --> 01:18:57,893
Speaker 3: Any of you're ejectaim on news talks 'db through to

1583
01:18:57,973 --> 01:19:01,013
Speaker 3: twelve o'clock today. I am so excited to speak with

1584
01:19:01,053 --> 01:19:04,693
Speaker 3: our travel correspondent very shortly. So the crazy thing is that, yeah,

1585
01:19:05,293 --> 01:19:08,533
Speaker 3: I've kind of broken down different travel destinations around the

1586
01:19:08,613 --> 01:19:11,813
Speaker 3: world and places that I want to prioritize. So before

1587
01:19:11,933 --> 01:19:14,253
Speaker 3: having kids, I kind of went to some places that

1588
01:19:14,413 --> 01:19:17,733
Speaker 3: you know, might not be the number one places you'd

1589
01:19:17,773 --> 01:19:21,773
Speaker 3: visit once you've got children, the West Bank, for example,

1590
01:19:23,133 --> 01:19:25,653
Speaker 3: given events of the last well a couple of years,

1591
01:19:25,653 --> 01:19:28,093
Speaker 3: I suppose, but certainly the last twenty four hours. And

1592
01:19:28,173 --> 01:19:29,933
Speaker 3: then I figured once I had kids, I would go

1593
01:19:30,013 --> 01:19:32,413
Speaker 3: to places that were maybe a little bit more family friendly.

1594
01:19:33,053 --> 01:19:35,813
Speaker 3: And then there are some bucket list destinations, some absolute

1595
01:19:35,853 --> 01:19:39,853
Speaker 3: bucket list, bucket list destinations that are expensive, that might

1596
01:19:39,933 --> 01:19:42,813
Speaker 3: be difficult to get to, and I reckon right there,

1597
01:19:42,813 --> 01:19:44,933
Speaker 3: and they're the very top of that list. Of the

1598
01:19:45,013 --> 01:19:48,053
Speaker 3: Galapagos Islands. They are not cheap to get to off

1599
01:19:48,093 --> 01:19:49,933
Speaker 3: the coast of Ecuador. Of course, you've got to fly

1600
01:19:50,133 --> 01:19:52,573
Speaker 3: through Ecuador. Then you've got to head out into the

1601
01:19:52,613 --> 01:19:55,693
Speaker 3: Pacific Ocean, and of course it's kind of like land

1602
01:19:55,853 --> 01:19:59,693
Speaker 3: before time. It's about as untouched as any ecosystem on

1603
01:19:59,813 --> 01:20:01,493
Speaker 3: the planet can be. And there are all sorts of

1604
01:20:01,493 --> 01:20:03,413
Speaker 3: things I would love to see at the Galapicus Islands,

1605
01:20:04,053 --> 01:20:09,293
Speaker 3: the giant tortoises being a standout example. And I remember

1606
01:20:09,293 --> 01:20:13,133
Speaker 3: a few years ago reading Bill bryson book You Know,

1607
01:20:13,173 --> 01:20:16,013
Speaker 3: A Short History of Nearly Everything, in which he described

1608
01:20:16,653 --> 01:20:19,813
Speaker 3: Darwin going to the Galapicus Islands for the first time

1609
01:20:20,293 --> 01:20:23,613
Speaker 3: and the difficulty they had in bringing back a live

1610
01:20:23,813 --> 01:20:27,493
Speaker 3: sample of a Galapagus Island tortoise to the UK, the

1611
01:20:27,613 --> 01:20:34,213
Speaker 3: reason being that apparently giant tortoises are absolutely delicious, and

1612
01:20:34,293 --> 01:20:36,813
Speaker 3: the problem would be is that the early sailors and

1613
01:20:36,893 --> 01:20:39,813
Speaker 3: explorers would go out there, that colonial sailors and explorers

1614
01:20:39,813 --> 01:20:42,133
Speaker 3: would go out there, they'd get a tortoise on board

1615
01:20:42,173 --> 01:20:44,693
Speaker 3: the ship, and then they'd be sailing for a couple

1616
01:20:44,733 --> 01:20:47,533
Speaker 3: of days and they think, h man, I'm starting to

1617
01:20:47,533 --> 01:20:48,893
Speaker 3: get a bit hungry. I could really go for some

1618
01:20:48,973 --> 01:20:51,133
Speaker 3: fresh meat Anymoreys like, no, no, no, don't even think

1619
01:20:51,173 --> 01:20:53,653
Speaker 3: about the tortoise. Don't even think about the tortoise. And

1620
01:20:53,733 --> 01:20:55,853
Speaker 3: then a couple more days would pass, maybe they go

1621
01:20:55,973 --> 01:20:58,493
Speaker 3: through a storm that start to get a bit low

1622
01:20:58,613 --> 01:21:02,173
Speaker 3: on supplies, and someone would say, you know what, it

1623
01:21:02,253 --> 01:21:04,973
Speaker 3: would be really delicious if we just had a little

1624
01:21:05,093 --> 01:21:07,893
Speaker 3: bit of a Galapagus island tortoise. And it took them

1625
01:21:08,093 --> 01:21:12,573
Speaker 3: decades decades before they could finally get back a live

1626
01:21:12,733 --> 01:21:16,133
Speaker 3: sample of a Galapicus island tortoise across the oceans because

1627
01:21:16,133 --> 01:21:18,373
Speaker 3: apparently they were so delicious. So anyway, I might ask

1628
01:21:18,493 --> 01:21:21,253
Speaker 3: our travel correspondent about that very shortly. Because Mike Yardly

1629
01:21:21,733 --> 01:21:25,733
Speaker 3: has indeed been to the Galapicus islands, I feel cautiously

1630
01:21:25,773 --> 01:21:28,973
Speaker 3: optimistic that he hasn't sampled a Galapicus island tortoise. That

1631
01:21:29,013 --> 01:21:31,053
Speaker 3: would be a bit of a rude shock, don't think so.

1632
01:21:31,133 --> 01:21:33,813
Speaker 3: David Attenborough would be very supportive of that, But he's

1633
01:21:33,853 --> 01:21:35,973
Speaker 3: gonna be with us very shortly with all the details

1634
01:21:36,053 --> 01:21:38,773
Speaker 3: on that, as well as that, you know, Schokola, the

1635
01:21:38,933 --> 01:21:42,053
Speaker 3: movie and the book that inspired the movie will finally

1636
01:21:42,453 --> 01:21:45,493
Speaker 3: a sequel to Schokola has been penned, so in our

1637
01:21:45,533 --> 01:21:47,533
Speaker 3: book segment before midday, I'll give you all of the

1638
01:21:47,613 --> 01:21:50,973
Speaker 3: details on that. Right now, it is ten past eleven,

1639
01:21:51,413 --> 01:21:55,853
Speaker 3: Jack in time to catch up with our sustainability correspondent

1640
01:21:55,933 --> 01:21:58,893
Speaker 3: Kate Hall, who was focusing on the toothbrush dilemma this

1641
01:21:58,973 --> 01:22:03,173
Speaker 3: week good one in Kate, the toothbrush dilemma. I'm so

1642
01:22:03,373 --> 01:22:05,333
Speaker 3: glad you were talking about this because I'm someone who

1643
01:22:05,373 --> 01:22:09,133
Speaker 3: takes dental hygienic extremely seriously. Like I would say, it's

1644
01:22:09,253 --> 01:22:11,693
Speaker 3: not it's not an obsession, but it's definitely a passion,

1645
01:22:11,733 --> 01:22:13,853
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's a I'm a

1646
01:22:14,053 --> 01:22:17,293
Speaker 3: I'm a flosser, I'm an interdental brusher, and I'm certainly

1647
01:22:18,293 --> 01:22:20,813
Speaker 3: a toothbrusher multiple times a day as well. There's just

1648
01:22:20,853 --> 01:22:24,333
Speaker 3: nothing like that freshmouth feeling, you know. So, but here's

1649
01:22:24,373 --> 01:22:27,453
Speaker 3: the thing. But obviously toothbrushes are not necessarily the most

1650
01:22:27,453 --> 01:22:30,053
Speaker 3: sustainable thing in the world. And yeah, I don't know

1651
01:22:30,133 --> 01:22:36,453
Speaker 3: that using plastic dental tape or interdental brushes are necessarily

1652
01:22:36,533 --> 01:22:40,013
Speaker 3: that sustainable as well. But you've got those eco toothbrushes

1653
01:22:40,013 --> 01:22:42,613
Speaker 3: and it turns out that they're not necessarily that sustainable either.

1654
01:22:43,613 --> 01:22:46,933
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's toothbrushes are really hard one because we need them.

1655
01:22:47,013 --> 01:22:49,733
Speaker 14: Like it's sustainable to brush your teeth. You know, it's

1656
01:22:49,813 --> 01:22:53,653
Speaker 14: great when you have positive, you know, not an intense

1657
01:22:53,893 --> 01:22:56,613
Speaker 14: dental hygiene. It's awesome when you're aware of that. But

1658
01:22:56,893 --> 01:23:00,013
Speaker 14: you know, we're creating all these ecotoothbrushes that some of

1659
01:23:00,093 --> 01:23:03,053
Speaker 14: them are made from you know, they'll say they're made

1660
01:23:03,093 --> 01:23:05,933
Speaker 14: from plant based plastic materials. They will only break down

1661
01:23:06,093 --> 01:23:11,173
Speaker 14: and certain composting commercial composting facilities, so they're still ending

1662
01:23:11,293 --> 01:23:13,333
Speaker 14: up actually a lot of them, like on our beaches.

1663
01:23:13,813 --> 01:23:17,373
Speaker 14: When you see the beach clean up data, a lot

1664
01:23:17,533 --> 01:23:19,093
Speaker 14: of the ways there is toothbrushes.

1665
01:23:19,613 --> 01:23:20,573
Speaker 3: They're so gross.

1666
01:23:20,973 --> 01:23:21,213
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1667
01:23:21,373 --> 01:23:24,053
Speaker 14: Yeah, and then if that plant based plastic ends up

1668
01:23:24,093 --> 01:23:25,853
Speaker 14: in landfill, it's not going to break down, you know.

1669
01:23:26,213 --> 01:23:28,773
Speaker 14: So all of the toothbrushes, if you ever used, are

1670
01:23:28,773 --> 01:23:33,813
Speaker 14: still existing out there today. Globally, we throw away twenty

1671
01:23:33,933 --> 01:23:40,933
Speaker 14: three billion toothbrushes each year, like just approximately. Yeah, so yeah,

1672
01:23:40,973 --> 01:23:43,813
Speaker 14: it's something. It's something we can't just cut out of

1673
01:23:43,853 --> 01:23:46,133
Speaker 14: our lays. You know, we can't just say no, which

1674
01:23:46,253 --> 01:23:48,453
Speaker 14: I think was sustainability. Often you can be like, actually

1675
01:23:48,733 --> 01:23:52,173
Speaker 14: I don't need that, Yeah we do. We do need

1676
01:23:52,253 --> 01:23:55,533
Speaker 14: to be brushing our teeth. So even the compostable ones,

1677
01:23:55,573 --> 01:23:58,093
Speaker 14: you know, the wooden ones, Yeah, you know, they're they're

1678
01:23:58,133 --> 01:24:02,093
Speaker 14: great because you know, it's often they're just literally just

1679
01:24:02,173 --> 01:24:04,453
Speaker 14: made of wood and you can use that on your

1680
01:24:05,093 --> 01:24:08,893
Speaker 14: fire in the wintertime, or I use them as like

1681
01:24:09,053 --> 01:24:12,293
Speaker 14: I write on what vegetables are planted and use them

1682
01:24:12,293 --> 01:24:15,373
Speaker 14: as little you know, little planter labelers things like that.

1683
01:24:15,573 --> 01:24:20,853
Speaker 14: That's right, Yeah, easy to repurpose. But even then it's

1684
01:24:20,893 --> 01:24:23,853
Speaker 14: still a single use kind of item that we're replacing.

1685
01:24:24,573 --> 01:24:27,173
Speaker 14: You know, you should be replacing several times a year.

1686
01:24:27,253 --> 01:24:29,693
Speaker 14: I'm not sure if everyone does replace their toothbrushes as

1687
01:24:29,773 --> 01:24:34,573
Speaker 14: much as then just recommend this, but we have. We

1688
01:24:34,733 --> 01:24:38,053
Speaker 14: have some new ideas around toothbrushes that are coming in

1689
01:24:38,213 --> 01:24:43,213
Speaker 14: which I recently switched to, which is a it's basically

1690
01:24:43,333 --> 01:24:47,173
Speaker 14: like choosing your Harry Potter wand because technically this reusable

1691
01:24:47,373 --> 01:24:51,493
Speaker 14: toothbrush they have should last me my lifetime, so that

1692
01:24:51,773 --> 01:24:56,053
Speaker 14: the stick the handle of your toothbrush that doesn't wear out. Right,

1693
01:24:56,573 --> 01:24:58,653
Speaker 14: when we're throwing out a toothbrush, you're throwing it out

1694
01:24:58,693 --> 01:25:00,453
Speaker 14: because all the bristles have worn out. Yeah, of course,

1695
01:25:01,213 --> 01:25:04,813
Speaker 14: So this one Funky is the brand, and they're super new.

1696
01:25:05,333 --> 01:25:08,773
Speaker 14: They're here in Auckland, New Zealand. You just pop out

1697
01:25:08,933 --> 01:25:11,333
Speaker 14: the head. So that does need to go to Lancel

1698
01:25:12,253 --> 01:25:15,613
Speaker 14: a little plastic thing, but we haven't again, unless you're

1699
01:25:15,933 --> 01:25:20,533
Speaker 14: using different samble toothbrushes that are made from like boar

1700
01:25:20,653 --> 01:25:24,613
Speaker 14: bristles or you know, different things that head does. Do

1701
01:25:24,653 --> 01:25:26,493
Speaker 14: you need to go? It's a very small little heads,

1702
01:25:26,773 --> 01:25:30,173
Speaker 14: but again for sustainability for our house, that's currently the

1703
01:25:30,213 --> 01:25:32,373
Speaker 14: technology we have. But yeah, you just pop out the

1704
01:25:32,493 --> 01:25:35,173
Speaker 14: little heads and place it with a new one.

1705
01:25:35,253 --> 01:25:36,693
Speaker 3: Ah, that's so good.

1706
01:25:37,013 --> 01:25:39,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's literally when.

1707
01:25:39,533 --> 01:25:41,333
Speaker 14: I saw that, I think they have some in Europe.

1708
01:25:41,693 --> 01:25:43,453
Speaker 14: But when I saw it, I was like, why haven't

1709
01:25:43,493 --> 01:25:44,253
Speaker 14: we been doing?

1710
01:25:45,413 --> 01:25:45,573
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1711
01:25:45,653 --> 01:25:48,133
Speaker 3: So what's a company called Funky.

1712
01:25:49,933 --> 01:25:52,333
Speaker 2: In GK way Fonky.

1713
01:25:52,013 --> 01:25:54,413
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right, okay, called Funky. Yeah that sounds great.

1714
01:25:54,533 --> 01:25:56,933
Speaker 3: What about just extending the life of your brush? Like,

1715
01:25:57,533 --> 01:25:59,213
Speaker 3: are there other things that you can do after you've

1716
01:25:59,333 --> 01:26:01,533
Speaker 3: used it, you know as a toothbrush, you use it

1717
01:26:01,613 --> 01:26:04,013
Speaker 3: for you know, disciplining the kids and getting them to

1718
01:26:04,093 --> 01:26:05,293
Speaker 3: clean the bathroom.

1719
01:26:06,373 --> 01:26:06,813
Speaker 1: Asolutely.

1720
01:26:07,213 --> 01:26:10,413
Speaker 14: I think, yeah, I have toothbrushes kind of all over

1721
01:26:10,533 --> 01:26:13,253
Speaker 14: and often, especially if they're the wooden ones, I will

1722
01:26:13,293 --> 01:26:15,453
Speaker 14: write on you know what the purpose is for you're

1723
01:26:15,613 --> 01:26:18,493
Speaker 14: kind of step press. Right, So you've got one for

1724
01:26:18,653 --> 01:26:21,893
Speaker 14: like bathroom stuff. One maybe that's the grubby outdoor things.

1725
01:26:22,493 --> 01:26:25,973
Speaker 14: One to you know, don't polish your shoes. You know,

1726
01:26:26,093 --> 01:26:30,813
Speaker 14: there are all sorts of things we can repurpose, yeah, toothbrusures.

1727
01:26:30,853 --> 01:26:36,213
Speaker 14: But just knowing that even even the schemes, I'm quite skeptical,

1728
01:26:36,413 --> 01:26:38,973
Speaker 14: all the schemes that you can recycle your toothbrushes and

1729
01:26:39,013 --> 01:26:42,213
Speaker 14: stuff like that, they take energy, they take time, they

1730
01:26:42,333 --> 01:26:45,773
Speaker 14: take money. Sometimes they don't even end up actually a

1731
01:26:45,773 --> 01:26:47,693
Speaker 14: lot of the time they don't end up being recycled

1732
01:26:47,853 --> 01:26:51,573
Speaker 14: in the right place. So working and focusing on that

1733
01:26:51,733 --> 01:26:55,093
Speaker 14: reuse elements that toothbrush is something we will need for

1734
01:26:55,173 --> 01:26:58,013
Speaker 14: our whole lives, and so thinking about how we can

1735
01:26:58,893 --> 01:27:01,093
Speaker 14: do that so much better and still keep up our

1736
01:27:01,173 --> 01:27:04,653
Speaker 14: dental hygiene like I have whenever I try new sustainable

1737
01:27:04,973 --> 01:27:09,453
Speaker 14: dint products, take it to my dentist at my regular checkup,

1738
01:27:09,453 --> 01:27:11,333
Speaker 14: and I say, is this okay? You know with my

1739
01:27:12,013 --> 01:27:15,413
Speaker 14: two thanks from solid oial Care, who makes it in Wellington?

1740
01:27:16,093 --> 01:27:18,693
Speaker 14: Is this you know, like, is this actually dentist approved?

1741
01:27:19,573 --> 01:27:21,613
Speaker 14: And then I say, yep, cool, and yeah, my teeth,

1742
01:27:21,813 --> 01:27:24,133
Speaker 14: my teeth has been great for many years, and I've

1743
01:27:24,173 --> 01:27:27,653
Speaker 14: used all sorts of these sustainable products. So yeah, sustainable

1744
01:27:27,653 --> 01:27:28,933
Speaker 14: for our house and the planets.

1745
01:27:29,093 --> 01:27:32,613
Speaker 3: So I mentioned those other things that I use. I

1746
01:27:32,693 --> 01:27:34,893
Speaker 3: use the little brushes, you know, the little inter dental

1747
01:27:34,973 --> 01:27:37,613
Speaker 3: brushes are kind of like pipe gains almost, so you

1748
01:27:37,653 --> 01:27:40,013
Speaker 3: can get the bamboo versions of those now, so they're

1749
01:27:40,053 --> 01:27:43,173
Speaker 3: not just plastic based. But the big one for me,

1750
01:27:43,293 --> 01:27:46,733
Speaker 3: the problematic one is dental floss and my teeth are

1751
01:27:46,853 --> 01:27:50,853
Speaker 3: really close together. So if I use the kind of

1752
01:27:50,973 --> 01:27:54,533
Speaker 3: ropie one that's made out of a natural product, it

1753
01:27:54,613 --> 01:27:58,773
Speaker 3: doesn't get in between my teeth. Yes, So at the

1754
01:27:58,853 --> 01:28:00,773
Speaker 3: moment you're gonna hate me for saying this, I'm using

1755
01:28:00,973 --> 01:28:04,053
Speaker 3: I'm using like a plastic tape to get in there,

1756
01:28:04,493 --> 01:28:07,013
Speaker 3: and I tell you what I know. But it's just

1757
01:28:07,133 --> 01:28:08,173
Speaker 3: it's so clean, you.

1758
01:28:08,213 --> 01:28:11,693
Speaker 14: Know, And you know what, actually, if that's like, I

1759
01:28:11,853 --> 01:28:14,173
Speaker 14: think we still need we have a little bit to

1760
01:28:14,253 --> 01:28:18,093
Speaker 14: go in terms of advancing our sustainable dental floss because

1761
01:28:18,293 --> 01:28:21,093
Speaker 14: it is a really important product for our teeth. And

1762
01:28:22,293 --> 01:28:25,573
Speaker 14: like even Tim, my husband, he's exactly the same. He

1763
01:28:25,693 --> 01:28:32,053
Speaker 14: tries these these more sustainable and then they just break

1764
01:28:32,093 --> 01:28:35,533
Speaker 14: in his teeth and and for me they kind of work,

1765
01:28:35,573 --> 01:28:37,413
Speaker 14: maybe have a little bit more space to turn my teeth.

1766
01:28:38,053 --> 01:28:40,373
Speaker 14: It runs different. But but I just say, you know,

1767
01:28:40,813 --> 01:28:42,893
Speaker 14: invest in one that you know is going to be

1768
01:28:43,413 --> 01:28:47,893
Speaker 14: really good. For your teeth, timbre often maybe grost and

1769
01:28:53,413 --> 01:28:57,373
Speaker 14: you know that's just maybe reduces how much he uses.

1770
01:28:58,173 --> 01:29:01,493
Speaker 14: So it's it's not about throwing away and like giving

1771
01:29:01,613 --> 01:29:03,973
Speaker 14: up all these things in the name of sustainability. It's

1772
01:29:03,973 --> 01:29:07,613
Speaker 14: actually just being being clever and yeah, yeah, thinking about

1773
01:29:07,613 --> 01:29:10,133
Speaker 14: if your the option is just not flushing your teeth,

1774
01:29:10,613 --> 01:29:12,773
Speaker 14: and you know that may end up in a whole

1775
01:29:12,813 --> 01:29:17,333
Speaker 14: lot of different mental kind of surgeries or things that

1776
01:29:17,493 --> 01:29:19,253
Speaker 14: need to be done that will involve a whole lot

1777
01:29:19,293 --> 01:29:22,333
Speaker 14: more waste. So yeah, just being clear.

1778
01:29:22,173 --> 01:29:24,893
Speaker 3: About it, all right, Kate, you're better tim than me.

1779
01:29:24,973 --> 01:29:27,013
Speaker 3: I reckon on that one. But thank you if you

1780
01:29:27,093 --> 01:29:29,333
Speaker 3: come across a really good sustainable option that gets in

1781
01:29:29,413 --> 01:29:31,653
Speaker 3: between the teeth time all the years. I promise I

1782
01:29:31,773 --> 01:29:35,773
Speaker 3: can find Kate on social media, of course, by searching ethically. Kate,

1783
01:29:35,893 --> 01:29:36,973
Speaker 3: and we will catch again soon.

1784
01:29:37,613 --> 01:29:41,453
Speaker 1: Travel with Windy Woo Tours Where the World Is Yours book.

1785
01:29:41,333 --> 01:29:45,093
Speaker 3: Now twenty past eleven. Our travel correspondent is Mike Yardley.

1786
01:29:45,133 --> 01:29:47,813
Speaker 3: He's with us this morning and feeling very pleased with himself.

1787
01:29:47,853 --> 01:29:50,533
Speaker 3: I reckon, how about those last ten minutes?

1788
01:29:52,493 --> 01:29:54,453
Speaker 2: The heart is still in recovery mode. Jack.

1789
01:29:54,733 --> 01:29:57,453
Speaker 3: It was an amazing Super Rugby semi final. I just

1790
01:29:57,493 --> 01:29:59,853
Speaker 3: thought it was that you'd like just everything about it

1791
01:29:59,973 --> 01:30:02,133
Speaker 3: was fantastic, and I am aware of that because the

1792
01:30:02,213 --> 01:30:04,453
Speaker 3: Crusader's wine, I'm probably feeling a whole lot more positive

1793
01:30:04,493 --> 01:30:07,013
Speaker 3: than many Blues fans are the small But does that

1794
01:30:07,053 --> 01:30:08,453
Speaker 3: mean you're going to be at the final next week?

1795
01:30:08,533 --> 01:30:08,733
Speaker 1: Make?

1796
01:30:09,653 --> 01:30:11,853
Speaker 13: I am my father and me last hour and he said,

1797
01:30:11,853 --> 01:30:13,093
Speaker 13: do you want to go to the game with me

1798
01:30:13,253 --> 01:30:17,053
Speaker 13: next weekend? So yes, I'm locked in rain hail or

1799
01:30:17,213 --> 01:30:17,893
Speaker 13: snow jack.

1800
01:30:18,213 --> 01:30:22,293
Speaker 3: Very good. Yeah, well, actually depending on who we play. Yeah,

1801
01:30:22,333 --> 01:30:24,493
Speaker 3: the conditions could be in our favor if they are

1802
01:30:24,573 --> 01:30:27,533
Speaker 3: and pretty chilly sounds It is pretty chilly down at

1803
01:30:27,573 --> 01:30:29,853
Speaker 3: Pitts Level last night as well. But anyway, we are

1804
01:30:29,893 --> 01:30:33,453
Speaker 3: turning our attentions to a slightly more tropical climb this morning.

1805
01:30:33,493 --> 01:30:39,253
Speaker 3: One of my bucket list destinations the Galapagos Islands. So yeah,

1806
01:30:39,533 --> 01:30:42,453
Speaker 3: how lucky are you to have visited the Galapagos? Would

1807
01:30:42,453 --> 01:30:44,173
Speaker 3: you say that cruising is the best way to kind

1808
01:30:44,213 --> 01:30:45,693
Speaker 3: of delve into the Galapagos?

1809
01:30:46,773 --> 01:30:49,693
Speaker 13: Ideally I would do both land and cruise, but yes,

1810
01:30:49,933 --> 01:30:53,013
Speaker 13: definitely to take in a swag of islands in a

1811
01:30:53,093 --> 01:30:56,333
Speaker 13: short space of time. Given a lot of them are unpeopled,

1812
01:30:56,373 --> 01:30:58,213
Speaker 13: and you can't stay on these islands.

1813
01:30:58,733 --> 01:31:03,573
Speaker 2: Yes, that's where cruising is just such a revelation.

1814
01:31:03,773 --> 01:31:06,013
Speaker 13: And I headed there with Weaver Expeditions on a ship

1815
01:31:06,093 --> 01:31:10,133
Speaker 13: called Pinter. It had only forty guests, lots of young

1816
01:31:10,293 --> 01:31:13,933
Speaker 13: working professionals, so I had like a Hollywood actor, a

1817
01:31:14,093 --> 01:31:18,613
Speaker 13: French model, and a Dutch psychiatrist at my table.

1818
01:31:20,093 --> 01:31:20,413
Speaker 3: Novel.

1819
01:31:20,533 --> 01:31:23,093
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, it so does all the opening line to

1820
01:31:23,133 --> 01:31:26,893
Speaker 13: a joke. Yes, well, we had way too much fun, jack.

1821
01:31:27,133 --> 01:31:29,733
Speaker 13: But what I particularly loved was every time we zipped

1822
01:31:29,773 --> 01:31:32,053
Speaker 13: a shaw for guided excursions.

1823
01:31:31,813 --> 01:31:34,173
Speaker 2: There was no more than ten people in our group.

1824
01:31:34,413 --> 01:31:39,853
Speaker 13: So yeah, just that small intimate experience just heightened the

1825
01:31:40,053 --> 01:31:41,213
Speaker 13: encounter immeasurably.

1826
01:31:41,493 --> 01:31:44,333
Speaker 3: Ah, so special. So what islands had your cruise taken?

1827
01:31:45,573 --> 01:31:48,413
Speaker 13: We did a swing through the eastern islands of the Galapagus,

1828
01:31:48,493 --> 01:31:51,293
Speaker 13: which are the older group of islands, so the western

1829
01:31:51,373 --> 01:31:55,853
Speaker 13: group they younger, still rising, principally shaped by eruptions. But yeah,

1830
01:31:55,893 --> 01:31:59,613
Speaker 13: we took in South Plaza, Santa Fe, San Cristobal, and

1831
01:31:59,853 --> 01:32:02,533
Speaker 13: Espaniola Islands, and then I finished up in Santa Cruz,

1832
01:32:02,573 --> 01:32:04,533
Speaker 13: where I stayed a few nights, which we'll talk about

1833
01:32:04,613 --> 01:32:06,933
Speaker 13: next week. But the thing which blew me away is

1834
01:32:07,093 --> 01:32:10,773
Speaker 13: Darwin's theory of evolution. It just becomes so vividly self

1835
01:32:10,893 --> 01:32:15,093
Speaker 13: evident the more you explore the Galapagus, because so many

1836
01:32:15,213 --> 01:32:18,933
Speaker 13: creatures there. They're not just endemic to the Galapagos, but

1837
01:32:19,253 --> 01:32:23,333
Speaker 13: endemic to those individual islands. And I had this amazing

1838
01:32:23,413 --> 01:32:26,533
Speaker 13: guide to Lexus. He was like a male Alixa, so

1839
01:32:27,173 --> 01:32:30,053
Speaker 13: you could ask him anything about the Galapicus and he

1840
01:32:30,093 --> 01:32:32,693
Speaker 13: had delivered the most commanding and lightning answers.

1841
01:32:32,853 --> 01:32:35,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, ah, so good. So we're going to talk about

1842
01:32:35,813 --> 01:32:37,813
Speaker 3: your time on the island next week, and we'll save

1843
01:32:37,853 --> 01:32:40,133
Speaker 3: the tortoises for next week as well, because I know

1844
01:32:40,293 --> 01:32:42,733
Speaker 3: you're tortoises. I'm not the only ones and we're not

1845
01:32:42,813 --> 01:32:46,653
Speaker 3: eating them. But what were the wildlife highlights outside of

1846
01:32:46,653 --> 01:32:47,293
Speaker 3: the tortoises for you?

1847
01:32:48,413 --> 01:32:52,613
Speaker 13: Yeah, they talk about the Big fifteen as the Galapicus

1848
01:32:52,693 --> 01:32:56,133
Speaker 13: wildlife icons. Obviously the tortoises right at the top. But

1849
01:32:56,533 --> 01:33:01,493
Speaker 13: I found the birds so engrossing. Jack car toonishly colorful

1850
01:33:01,973 --> 01:33:05,893
Speaker 13: and so quirky, just bursting with personality. So they've got

1851
01:33:05,933 --> 01:33:09,173
Speaker 13: these guys is called the blue footed boobies. These guys

1852
01:33:09,213 --> 01:33:13,813
Speaker 13: are my favorites. So they are enormous seabirds, comical to

1853
01:33:13,893 --> 01:33:18,973
Speaker 13: watch because the ungainly walking style reminds you of circus clowns,

1854
01:33:19,933 --> 01:33:23,573
Speaker 13: you know. And then in flight they just transform into

1855
01:33:23,773 --> 01:33:28,333
Speaker 13: precision hunting machines with the most spectacular plunge style dives

1856
01:33:28,413 --> 01:33:32,653
Speaker 13: underwater where also watch their mating dance, and the males

1857
01:33:33,253 --> 01:33:37,493
Speaker 13: they will exuberantly show off their feet to their prospective

1858
01:33:37,533 --> 01:33:40,213
Speaker 13: girlfriends because apparently the ladies.

1859
01:33:40,373 --> 01:33:42,253
Speaker 2: Prefer a turquoise shade of blue.

1860
01:33:42,293 --> 01:33:44,853
Speaker 13: They don't like a deeper blue because a deeper blue

1861
01:33:45,253 --> 01:33:47,733
Speaker 13: suggests the hopeless at catching fish.

1862
01:33:49,533 --> 01:33:53,093
Speaker 2: So these are the things you learn at the galapagus.

1863
01:33:53,133 --> 01:33:55,333
Speaker 2: Another highlight very quickly the frigatebirds.

1864
01:33:55,773 --> 01:34:01,293
Speaker 13: The males had the most fascinating bright red throat skin sects,

1865
01:34:02,013 --> 01:34:04,813
Speaker 13: and when they are wanting to caught a chick, they

1866
01:34:04,973 --> 01:34:10,453
Speaker 13: inflate these eggs which form a giant heart shaped balloon.

1867
01:34:12,973 --> 01:34:15,413
Speaker 3: Yeah. Were there lots of iguanas.

1868
01:34:16,413 --> 01:34:19,853
Speaker 13: Yeah, crawling with these super sized lizards, and I got

1869
01:34:19,973 --> 01:34:23,213
Speaker 13: up close and personal with the yellow land iguana on

1870
01:34:23,333 --> 01:34:28,053
Speaker 13: South Plaza Island. These guys are just mesmerizing and that

1871
01:34:28,293 --> 01:34:32,253
Speaker 13: yellow color is the result of eating prickly pear.

1872
01:34:32,493 --> 01:34:33,533
Speaker 2: Cactus plants.

1873
01:34:35,253 --> 01:34:39,973
Speaker 13: Very few species eats cactie undistendably. But the thing which

1874
01:34:40,013 --> 01:34:44,173
Speaker 13: blew me away Jack was watching these iguanas rolling the

1875
01:34:44,333 --> 01:34:48,693
Speaker 13: cactie furiously, feverishly in the sand on the beach, and

1876
01:34:48,813 --> 01:34:51,093
Speaker 13: they were trying to blunt the spikes, you know, just.

1877
01:34:51,133 --> 01:34:54,893
Speaker 2: To make the consumption somewhat more comfortable.

1878
01:34:55,013 --> 01:34:57,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, isn't it incredible?

1879
01:34:57,893 --> 01:34:58,093
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1880
01:34:58,133 --> 01:35:00,893
Speaker 3: You think, come on, just diversified that diet a little bit.

1881
01:35:00,933 --> 01:35:03,093
Speaker 3: And how does the snort?

1882
01:35:04,413 --> 01:35:05,253
Speaker 2: Yeah? Really good.

1883
01:35:05,333 --> 01:35:09,733
Speaker 13: The water clarity is good, although it is cold, even

1884
01:35:09,813 --> 01:35:12,573
Speaker 13: though the Galapagus is pretty much on the equator. Of course,

1885
01:35:12,613 --> 01:35:17,213
Speaker 13: you've got that nutrient rich Humboldt current which comes all

1886
01:35:17,293 --> 01:35:20,213
Speaker 13: that cold will water up from Antarctica, so you will

1887
01:35:20,293 --> 01:35:23,413
Speaker 13: want to wear a wet suit in the galapagus. But yeah,

1888
01:35:23,613 --> 01:35:26,773
Speaker 13: I did some snorkeling off Santa Fe Island which was

1889
01:35:26,893 --> 01:35:27,333
Speaker 13: really good.

1890
01:35:27,453 --> 01:35:30,213
Speaker 2: Lots of tropical fish. But the thing which I love

1891
01:35:30,253 --> 01:35:31,693
Speaker 2: the most the sea lions.

1892
01:35:31,773 --> 01:35:34,653
Speaker 13: I mean not just sort of monopolizing the beaches of

1893
01:35:34,693 --> 01:35:37,853
Speaker 13: the Galapagos, but they will go swimming with you.

1894
01:35:38,053 --> 01:35:39,093
Speaker 2: They just love it.

1895
01:35:39,213 --> 01:35:41,013
Speaker 13: They will, you know, you can just tell us so

1896
01:35:41,813 --> 01:35:45,133
Speaker 13: playful around you, and it's sort of like they try

1897
01:35:45,253 --> 01:35:48,333
Speaker 13: and outwitch you and think, yeah, you're too slow for me.

1898
01:35:48,813 --> 01:35:51,413
Speaker 2: They just love it. They just love that interaction.

1899
01:35:51,733 --> 01:35:55,933
Speaker 3: So did you have a kind of favorite standout island experience.

1900
01:35:57,213 --> 01:36:01,573
Speaker 13: I would have to say Espaniola, So the entire island

1901
01:36:01,693 --> 01:36:05,413
Speaker 13: is a national park, heaves with hot wildlife. The star

1902
01:36:05,613 --> 01:36:09,533
Speaker 13: there for me was the galapagus albatross, which is the

1903
01:36:09,813 --> 01:36:13,213
Speaker 13: only species of albatross that lives in the tropics, and

1904
01:36:13,333 --> 01:36:18,133
Speaker 13: you will only find it on that island. So watching

1905
01:36:18,213 --> 01:36:22,373
Speaker 13: these A three eighty style birds take flight, it was

1906
01:36:22,453 --> 01:36:27,213
Speaker 13: just pure drama because aus tenuously waddle up to the

1907
01:36:27,293 --> 01:36:30,893
Speaker 13: edge of this really high cliff and then just hurl

1908
01:36:30,973 --> 01:36:34,133
Speaker 13: themselves at the sea below, do or die style in

1909
01:36:34,333 --> 01:36:37,173
Speaker 13: order to gain speed for flight. It was heart in

1910
01:36:37,333 --> 01:36:40,213
Speaker 13: your mouth stuff watching them. And then you've just got

1911
01:36:40,253 --> 01:36:43,173
Speaker 13: the most spectacular scenery on Espaniola, you know, sort of

1912
01:36:43,653 --> 01:36:48,133
Speaker 13: thunderous lava blowholes and just the most vivid colors to

1913
01:36:48,293 --> 01:36:48,933
Speaker 13: the foliage.

1914
01:36:49,013 --> 01:36:50,973
Speaker 2: So yeah, that would that would be the one that

1915
01:36:51,253 --> 01:36:54,093
Speaker 2: would get my ticture of the list.

1916
01:36:54,133 --> 01:36:56,773
Speaker 3: Okay, what surprised you most about the galapagus?

1917
01:36:58,173 --> 01:36:58,693
Speaker 2: Overall?

1918
01:36:59,053 --> 01:37:03,013
Speaker 13: I have never encountered anywhere on Earth where there are

1919
01:37:03,133 --> 01:37:06,173
Speaker 13: so many animals and birds and their own natural and

1920
01:37:06,413 --> 01:37:08,053
Speaker 13: environment who show.

1921
01:37:08,093 --> 01:37:09,493
Speaker 19: No fear of you.

1922
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Speaker 2: No critter.

1923
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Speaker 13: Yeah, no creature in the Galapaga seemed the least bit

1924
01:37:15,333 --> 01:37:18,853
Speaker 13: perturbed by our presence in their realm. And it wasn't

1925
01:37:18,933 --> 01:37:22,853
Speaker 13: that they were indifferent. They weren't indifferent. Some are quite

1926
01:37:22,933 --> 01:37:25,213
Speaker 13: inquisitive and wanted to play, like the sea lions. But

1927
01:37:25,893 --> 01:37:30,853
Speaker 13: just that universal absence of fear was something I've never

1928
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Speaker 13: experienced with so much wildlife, and I think that is

1929
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Speaker 13: what made the Galapagas so special for me.

1930
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Speaker 3: Oh that sounds amazing, Mike. I'm just burning with envy

1931
01:37:39,573 --> 01:37:42,373
Speaker 3: at the moment, to be perfectly honest, not only because

1932
01:37:42,413 --> 01:37:45,173
Speaker 3: of the Super Rugby final you'll be attending next weekend,

1933
01:37:45,253 --> 01:37:48,453
Speaker 3: but for this amazing adventure. So yeah, really looking forward

1934
01:37:48,493 --> 01:37:50,773
Speaker 3: to hearing a bit more about it. The tortoises we

1935
01:37:50,813 --> 01:37:52,813
Speaker 3: can do next week as well, But it sounds like

1936
01:37:52,853 --> 01:37:54,853
Speaker 3: a wonderful start to the trips. Thank you very much.

1937
01:37:56,973 --> 01:37:59,853
Speaker 3: We will catch you in so Mike Hardley, our travel correspondent.

1938
01:37:59,893 --> 01:38:03,293
Speaker 3: For more tips on cruising the Galapagos Islands, you can

1939
01:38:03,333 --> 01:38:05,453
Speaker 3: go to the news talks He'd Be website. We'll put

1940
01:38:05,613 --> 01:38:08,253
Speaker 3: everything from our show up there. Every single little bit

1941
01:38:08,293 --> 01:38:12,173
Speaker 3: of information, all the shows that we recommend, our film reviews, books,

1942
01:38:12,253 --> 01:38:14,333
Speaker 3: all that good stuff goes up on the website, and

1943
01:38:14,413 --> 01:38:17,093
Speaker 3: the easiest way to find our page on the website

1944
01:38:17,653 --> 01:38:19,733
Speaker 3: is to go to News Talks, dB dot co dot

1945
01:38:19,893 --> 01:38:24,613
Speaker 3: NZ forward slash Jack. I'm cautiously optimistic you can recogne

1946
01:38:24,813 --> 01:38:27,373
Speaker 3: remember that one. It's honestly just the easiest way to

1947
01:38:27,373 --> 01:38:29,373
Speaker 3: follow things along at home. And it's just coming up

1948
01:38:29,413 --> 01:38:31,853
Speaker 3: to eleven thirty. We'll see what's on weekend sport in

1949
01:38:31,893 --> 01:38:32,613
Speaker 3: a couple of minutes.

1950
01:38:36,133 --> 01:38:40,053
Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team

1951
01:38:40,533 --> 01:38:41,693
Speaker 1: on News Talks edb.

1952
01:38:44,093 --> 01:38:44,773
Speaker 4: The Lord of my.

1953
01:38:44,933 --> 01:38:48,813
Speaker 16: German shepherdies, hold.

1954
01:38:48,693 --> 01:38:50,293
Speaker 4: The hell you died on you.

1955
01:38:52,213 --> 01:38:55,093
Speaker 11: And as your cup runs over, keep.

1956
01:38:56,253 --> 01:38:58,813
Speaker 4: Testing the wind of this shipmen.

1957
01:39:00,293 --> 01:39:01,853
Speaker 3: I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, Oh, but a

1958
01:39:01,893 --> 01:39:07,973
Speaker 3: britpop Yes and no, it is a britpop sound, but

1959
01:39:08,093 --> 01:39:11,013
Speaker 3: that's actually a Kiwi band called Ringlets, that songs called

1960
01:39:11,813 --> 01:39:14,613
Speaker 3: I was on that roof once quite like it A

1961
01:39:15,413 --> 01:39:18,253
Speaker 3: just gone eleven thirty only Saturday morning. Jason Pine is

1962
01:39:18,293 --> 01:39:20,813
Speaker 3: with us for weekend Sport this afternoon and a big

1963
01:39:20,933 --> 01:39:24,093
Speaker 3: weekend in Super Rugby that he will be looking at

1964
01:39:24,213 --> 01:39:27,693
Speaker 3: not only tonight's semi final the Chiefs and the Brumbies,

1965
01:39:28,013 --> 01:39:31,173
Speaker 3: but of course that thrilling semi last night, the Crusaders

1966
01:39:31,573 --> 01:39:34,653
Speaker 3: getting up over the Blues despite having been fourteen points

1967
01:39:34,813 --> 01:39:36,813
Speaker 3: down in christ just at one stage. What did you

1968
01:39:36,853 --> 01:39:39,653
Speaker 3: make of those final ten minutes, those final thrilling ten minutes.

1969
01:39:39,693 --> 01:39:42,013
Speaker 10: Piney loved it, Jack loved it from a you know,

1970
01:39:42,173 --> 01:39:44,693
Speaker 10: from somebody who didn't have skin in either game or

1971
01:39:44,813 --> 01:39:46,933
Speaker 10: either either camp. I'm not a Blues fan or a

1972
01:39:47,013 --> 01:39:50,693
Speaker 10: Crusaders fan, but I just appreciated the intensity of it all.

1973
01:39:50,893 --> 01:39:55,093
Speaker 10: You know, none of this, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was

1974
01:39:55,253 --> 01:39:58,893
Speaker 10: just an arm wrestle, you know, punctuated with moments that

1975
01:39:59,413 --> 01:40:02,173
Speaker 10: that saw tri scored. You know, Will Jordan, I'm not

1976
01:40:02,213 --> 01:40:03,773
Speaker 10: sure I've ever seen him with a pick and go

1977
01:40:03,853 --> 01:40:05,893
Speaker 10: from a yard out to score a try. Yeah, there

1978
01:40:05,933 --> 01:40:08,293
Speaker 10: he was in the thick of the action. I just

1979
01:40:08,453 --> 01:40:12,853
Speaker 10: also think that the rivalry the Auckland Canterbury, the old

1980
01:40:12,893 --> 01:40:17,093
Speaker 10: Auckland Canterbury nowadays the Blues Crusaders' rivalry is real again.

1981
01:40:17,493 --> 01:40:19,813
Speaker 10: And you know, say what you like about Riko Yowani,

1982
01:40:19,893 --> 01:40:21,773
Speaker 10: but he stoked the fires during the week with the

1983
01:40:21,853 --> 01:40:25,053
Speaker 10: social media posts, and sport needs its characters, we shouldn't

1984
01:40:25,053 --> 01:40:27,253
Speaker 10: fence them in, and he kept that game in the

1985
01:40:27,333 --> 01:40:28,693
Speaker 10: headlines right across the weekend.

1986
01:40:28,813 --> 01:40:32,013
Speaker 11: Last night. There was clearly some real feeling in that game,

1987
01:40:32,053 --> 01:40:32,533
Speaker 11: and I love it.

1988
01:40:32,653 --> 01:40:33,093
Speaker 5: I love it.

1989
01:40:33,453 --> 01:40:37,173
Speaker 10: It was a terrific contest. Look, the Crusaders are going

1990
01:40:37,213 --> 01:40:40,693
Speaker 10: to be so difficult for whoever goes through tonight to

1991
01:40:40,773 --> 01:40:41,533
Speaker 10: beat next weekend.

1992
01:40:41,533 --> 01:40:42,373
Speaker 3: We all know the stats.

1993
01:40:42,573 --> 01:40:46,093
Speaker 10: They've never lost a finals match at home. And while

1994
01:40:46,173 --> 01:40:47,533
Speaker 10: Vern kinda tried to make that a bit of a

1995
01:40:47,573 --> 01:40:49,613
Speaker 10: millstone around there next this week and said, hey, there's

1996
01:40:49,613 --> 01:40:51,253
Speaker 10: pressure on that one day I'm going to lose. I

1997
01:40:51,333 --> 01:40:53,053
Speaker 10: think they were it as a badge of honor. They

1998
01:40:53,173 --> 01:40:55,853
Speaker 10: love the fact that they that they're undefeated, you know

1999
01:40:55,933 --> 01:40:57,413
Speaker 10: in the three. I think it's terrific.

2000
01:40:57,573 --> 01:41:00,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree, you know what I thought last night,

2001
01:41:00,653 --> 01:41:03,693
Speaker 3: Depending obviously on how things go this evening, presuming the

2002
01:41:03,773 --> 01:41:05,813
Speaker 3: Chiefs get up, and that's a big presumption, so I

2003
01:41:05,853 --> 01:41:08,133
Speaker 3: should be everyone saying that. But if the Chiefs get up,

2004
01:41:08,453 --> 01:41:12,213
Speaker 3: how significant is that result last week going to prove

2005
01:41:12,293 --> 01:41:15,093
Speaker 3: to be? In that the Chiefs lose the top spot

2006
01:41:15,253 --> 01:41:18,413
Speaker 3: and the finals played in christ as opposed to in Hamilton.

2007
01:41:18,573 --> 01:41:21,173
Speaker 3: I mean that could prove to be a really telling

2008
01:41:21,253 --> 01:41:23,973
Speaker 3: moment in the kind of context of the Super Rugby season.

2009
01:41:24,133 --> 01:41:26,493
Speaker 10: Well historically speaking, you know, like I say, I mean,

2010
01:41:26,653 --> 01:41:28,893
Speaker 10: no one's ever won a game down there in a

2011
01:41:29,013 --> 01:41:32,373
Speaker 10: knockout match. So yeah, look, the Chiefs I'm sure will

2012
01:41:32,413 --> 01:41:34,013
Speaker 10: take on if they go through, We'll take on a

2013
01:41:34,093 --> 01:41:36,213
Speaker 10: very similar mindset and that you know, that record's got

2014
01:41:36,293 --> 01:41:38,853
Speaker 10: to fall at some stage. But we'll put it this way, Jack,

2015
01:41:39,133 --> 01:41:41,213
Speaker 10: I get the feeling when the odds come out for

2016
01:41:41,253 --> 01:41:43,973
Speaker 10: the final early next week, it'll be the Crusaders who

2017
01:41:44,013 --> 01:41:46,013
Speaker 10: are favorites, regardless of who they are.

2018
01:41:46,133 --> 01:41:47,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good way to think about it. So

2019
01:41:47,573 --> 01:41:49,213
Speaker 3: how are you feeling ahead of tonight?

2020
01:41:50,053 --> 01:41:52,293
Speaker 10: I think the Chiefs will be okay. Look, I think

2021
01:41:52,333 --> 01:41:53,693
Speaker 10: they got a bit of a kick in the back

2022
01:41:53,733 --> 01:41:55,933
Speaker 10: side last week. We all thought they would beat the Blues.

2023
01:41:55,973 --> 01:41:58,573
Speaker 10: The Blues played well against them and kept their season alive.

2024
01:41:58,933 --> 01:42:01,213
Speaker 10: I just can't see the Brumby's coming across and winning

2025
01:42:01,253 --> 01:42:03,973
Speaker 10: over here we talk about records. No Australian side has

2026
01:42:04,013 --> 01:42:06,133
Speaker 10: ever won a knockout match in New Zealand. I can't

2027
01:42:06,133 --> 01:42:09,533
Speaker 10: see that changing tonight. So yeah, I think we're headed

2028
01:42:09,573 --> 01:42:12,893
Speaker 10: for a Crusaders Chiefs final. I think we all kind

2029
01:42:12,893 --> 01:42:14,693
Speaker 10: of thought that right early on, but we just thought

2030
01:42:14,733 --> 01:42:16,893
Speaker 10: it would be in Hamilton. Yeah, not in christ yet,

2031
01:42:17,013 --> 01:42:18,893
Speaker 10: but yeah, if it is to be that, it will

2032
01:42:18,933 --> 01:42:19,893
Speaker 10: be in the Garden City.

2033
01:42:20,693 --> 01:42:24,053
Speaker 11: You know that ground keeps on hanging on, doesn't it.

2034
01:42:24,213 --> 01:42:24,253
Speaker 9: Know?

2035
01:42:24,973 --> 01:42:26,133
Speaker 11: Every week is like this could be.

2036
01:42:26,133 --> 01:42:28,293
Speaker 10: The last game here, This could be the last game here. Well,

2037
01:42:28,373 --> 01:42:30,613
Speaker 10: next week will be the last game there, and I'm

2038
01:42:30,653 --> 01:42:33,173
Speaker 10: sure those Red and Black fans will will be there

2039
01:42:33,213 --> 01:42:34,053
Speaker 10: to send it off in style.

2040
01:42:34,173 --> 01:42:35,973
Speaker 3: So you'll be looking at last night, Simmy. You'll be

2041
01:42:36,053 --> 01:42:38,613
Speaker 3: counting down to tonight, Simmi as well. And then Sonny

2042
01:42:38,653 --> 01:42:40,373
Speaker 3: Bill Williams in studio.

2043
01:42:40,773 --> 01:42:43,573
Speaker 11: Yeah, looking forward to chatting to s b W. After

2044
01:42:43,613 --> 01:42:44,773
Speaker 11: two o'clock. He's going to pop in.

2045
01:42:45,053 --> 01:42:47,013
Speaker 10: We know now that he's had this fight with Paul

2046
01:42:47,053 --> 01:42:52,293
Speaker 10: Gallon confirmed for Wednesday, July sixteen. There seems to be

2047
01:42:52,333 --> 01:42:54,493
Speaker 10: we're talking about the beef between the Reds and the

2048
01:42:54,773 --> 01:42:57,613
Speaker 10: sort of the Blues and the Crusaders. The beef between

2049
01:42:57,733 --> 01:43:00,253
Speaker 10: Sonny Bill Williams and Paul Gallon is absolutely real.

2050
01:43:00,933 --> 01:43:03,453
Speaker 3: Beef between Sunny Bill Williams and Ryan Bridge seemed to

2051
01:43:03,493 --> 01:43:05,973
Speaker 3: be taking off this week as well. My goodness, I'm

2052
01:43:05,973 --> 01:43:06,253
Speaker 3: not sure.

2053
01:43:06,293 --> 01:43:08,133
Speaker 10: I'm not sure Ryan Bridge will be jumping in the

2054
01:43:08,213 --> 01:43:10,853
Speaker 10: ring with sunny Bill Williams anytime soon, but ye have

2055
01:43:10,893 --> 01:43:12,973
Speaker 10: a chat to sunny Belt And also it's afternoon. Want

2056
01:43:12,973 --> 01:43:16,893
Speaker 10: to unpack quite an interesting issue around year fourteen's playing

2057
01:43:16,973 --> 01:43:19,253
Speaker 10: secondary school sport. This race its head during the week

2058
01:43:19,293 --> 01:43:23,173
Speaker 10: with Marlborough Boys found to have five year fourteens in

2059
01:43:23,253 --> 01:43:26,533
Speaker 10: their first fifteen. You know, this has kind of been

2060
01:43:26,533 --> 01:43:29,813
Speaker 10: bubbling away. Marty Cup banned this sort of thing earlier

2061
01:43:29,853 --> 01:43:30,213
Speaker 10: this year.

2062
01:43:30,653 --> 01:43:33,053
Speaker 11: Is it back now? Is it prevalent? What can be

2063
01:43:33,093 --> 01:43:33,653
Speaker 11: do understop it?

2064
01:43:33,653 --> 01:43:33,693
Speaker 2: So?

2065
01:43:33,733 --> 01:43:34,493
Speaker 11: I got that on the stuff.

2066
01:43:34,493 --> 01:43:37,013
Speaker 3: I mean, I just find it unbelievable than anyone any

2067
01:43:37,173 --> 01:43:39,293
Speaker 3: year fourteen is allowed to be playing. Yeah, it just

2068
01:43:39,333 --> 01:43:41,373
Speaker 3: seems like a very simple rule to me. There's no

2069
01:43:41,493 --> 01:43:44,813
Speaker 3: complexity whatsoever. If you're a sorry, even if you're at

2070
01:43:44,813 --> 01:43:47,093
Speaker 3: school and you're there for legitimate reasons, sorry, you can't

2071
01:43:47,093 --> 01:43:48,333
Speaker 3: play first fifteen. Seems simple.

2072
01:43:49,533 --> 01:43:50,133
Speaker 11: I hope, I get.

2073
01:43:50,373 --> 01:43:50,813
Speaker 5: I hope.

2074
01:43:50,813 --> 01:43:52,173
Speaker 11: You even just shut down my talk back for the.

2075
01:43:53,253 --> 01:43:55,653
Speaker 3: No, that's all you need to ask. Give us a

2076
01:43:55,733 --> 01:44:00,133
Speaker 3: good reason why year fourteen should be allowed to play first. Yeah,

2077
01:44:00,333 --> 01:44:02,893
Speaker 3: very good, looking forward to the show this afternoon. Maybe

2078
01:44:02,893 --> 01:44:04,653
Speaker 3: I'll just take on a pseudonym and send you some

2079
01:44:04,733 --> 01:44:08,013
Speaker 3: text to stir things up by Jason Fine behind the

2080
01:44:08,093 --> 01:44:10,453
Speaker 3: mic for us this afternoon with Weekend Sport. Before then,

2081
01:44:10,493 --> 01:44:13,293
Speaker 3: we're going to play this new album by King Gizzard

2082
01:44:13,373 --> 01:44:16,813
Speaker 3: and the Wizard Lizard, their twenty seventh album. They've come

2083
01:44:16,893 --> 01:44:19,093
Speaker 3: up with all sorts of kind of experimental music and

2084
01:44:19,133 --> 01:44:21,173
Speaker 3: different sounds, So looking forward to having a listen to that.

2085
01:44:21,333 --> 01:44:23,853
Speaker 3: Next up, your book picks for this weekend.

2086
01:44:24,213 --> 01:44:28,413
Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,

2087
01:44:28,733 --> 01:44:30,053
Speaker 1: call it by News Talks at B.

2088
01:44:31,733 --> 01:44:32,413
Speaker 2: Twenty to twelve.

2089
01:44:32,493 --> 01:44:35,333
Speaker 3: It is this time every Saturday morning that our book

2090
01:44:35,413 --> 01:44:38,493
Speaker 3: reviewer Katherine Rain comes and give us gives us her

2091
01:44:38,573 --> 01:44:41,493
Speaker 3: two top picks for the week, and she's here this morning,

2092
01:44:41,933 --> 01:44:47,013
Speaker 3: Kilder Catherine warning Jack, Let's begin with Atmosphere by Taylor Jenkins. Read.

2093
01:44:47,893 --> 01:44:50,013
Speaker 9: So, this is the type of the book where you

2094
01:44:50,253 --> 01:44:52,693
Speaker 9: start almost at the end and you work your way

2095
01:44:52,773 --> 01:44:55,253
Speaker 9: back from that point from the past. And so you

2096
01:44:55,373 --> 01:44:57,533
Speaker 9: kind to begin in the late seventies and early eighties

2097
01:44:57,573 --> 01:44:59,773
Speaker 9: and you meet this woman Joan Goodwin, who's an astronomy

2098
01:44:59,853 --> 01:45:03,613
Speaker 9: professor at Rice University, and she has this lifelong fascination

2099
01:45:03,733 --> 01:45:05,933
Speaker 9: with the stars, and she ends up applying for NASA's

2100
01:45:05,933 --> 01:45:09,653
Speaker 9: Space Shuttle program as they begin accepting woman candidates, and

2101
01:45:09,773 --> 01:45:11,973
Speaker 9: so through her eyes you see the training and the

2102
01:45:12,093 --> 01:45:14,933
Speaker 9: interaction with the fellow candidates in Houston, and she sees

2103
01:45:15,013 --> 01:45:18,453
Speaker 9: this divide very early on between the nerds really and

2104
01:45:18,573 --> 01:45:22,253
Speaker 9: the soldiers and those with their military backgrounds, particularly the pilots.

2105
01:45:22,613 --> 01:45:24,533
Speaker 9: And you learn a lot about mission control and the

2106
01:45:24,613 --> 01:45:28,453
Speaker 9: mechanics of spaceflight. And while the author gives a lot

2107
01:45:28,533 --> 01:45:31,453
Speaker 9: of attention to those technical aspects of space, it's the

2108
01:45:31,653 --> 01:45:36,053
Speaker 9: human stories that unfold alongside it, and their professional ambitions

2109
01:45:36,373 --> 01:45:40,173
Speaker 9: alongside their personal struggles. And you see Jones' journey from

2110
01:45:40,173 --> 01:45:43,813
Speaker 9: this very reserved academic to this passionate astronaut, and hits

2111
01:45:43,853 --> 01:45:47,373
Speaker 9: her relationship with her Nissan particular Francis that is really

2112
01:45:47,493 --> 01:45:51,533
Speaker 9: touching and wonderful. And then there's this dynamic where Joan

2113
01:45:51,613 --> 01:45:56,093
Speaker 9: forges some unlikely friendships and this very unexpected romance with

2114
01:45:56,173 --> 01:46:00,693
Speaker 9: a fellow astronaut candidate, Vanessa Ford, and that challenges everything

2115
01:46:00,813 --> 01:46:02,893
Speaker 9: she thought she knew about her play herself in her

2116
01:46:02,933 --> 01:46:05,733
Speaker 9: place in the universe, and that portrayal of NASA in

2117
01:46:05,813 --> 01:46:09,813
Speaker 9: the eighties feels really authentic and well researched. And you know,

2118
01:46:09,933 --> 01:46:12,653
Speaker 9: she addresses discrimination and the challenges faced by women in

2119
01:46:12,693 --> 01:46:15,493
Speaker 9: the Space Program and celebrates their achievements as well. And

2120
01:46:15,573 --> 01:46:18,413
Speaker 9: the book's incredibly well thought out and constructed, and you

2121
01:46:18,853 --> 01:46:20,813
Speaker 9: dip into the past and the present and you see

2122
01:46:20,853 --> 01:46:23,933
Speaker 9: that Will through Joan and Vanessa's eyes, and it's really

2123
01:46:24,053 --> 01:46:27,493
Speaker 9: captivating and really human focused and really attached to the

2124
01:46:27,573 --> 01:46:30,293
Speaker 9: story and the characters and about that humanity and relationship

2125
01:46:30,333 --> 01:46:32,333
Speaker 9: and emotions, and it felt really real.

2126
01:46:32,453 --> 01:46:33,733
Speaker 20: It's really well toped.

2127
01:46:33,973 --> 01:46:35,733
Speaker 3: So it's a novel, I mean, this is the yes,

2128
01:46:35,893 --> 01:46:37,973
Speaker 3: absolutely right. So it's a novel that's kind of set

2129
01:46:38,013 --> 01:46:40,413
Speaker 3: against the backdrop of the of the Space Program in

2130
01:46:40,453 --> 01:46:44,653
Speaker 3: the eighties. Yeah, sounds intriguing, Okay, cool. So that's Atmosphere

2131
01:46:44,733 --> 01:46:47,973
Speaker 3: by Taylor Jenkins Reader. Taylor Jinkers Reader is like New

2132
01:46:48,053 --> 01:46:50,613
Speaker 3: York Times number one best seller three times over or whatever.

2133
01:46:50,693 --> 01:46:53,653
Speaker 3: So you're not surprised to hear that it's so well constructed,

2134
01:46:53,693 --> 01:46:57,093
Speaker 3: but that does sound really good. Next up, finally, a

2135
01:46:57,253 --> 01:46:59,973
Speaker 3: sequel to Choko l Art tell Us about VRM by

2136
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Speaker 3: Joanne Harris.

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Speaker 9: Twenty five years ago, Believe it or not, Joan Harris

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Speaker 9: introduced the world of a bean and her magical skills

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Speaker 9: at creating chokola, at creating chocolate and weaving herself into

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Speaker 9: the lives of others by trying to bring harmony into

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Speaker 9: their lives, and her book Chocola And now twenty five

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Speaker 9: years later week she had a prequel. So this is

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Speaker 9: her life before Chakala, and it's really magical and moving

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Speaker 9: and about love and tragedy and friendship. So you meet

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Speaker 9: her as Sylvany when she's only twenty and pregnant and

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Speaker 9: finds herself in the city of Marseilles after scattering her

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Speaker 9: mother's ashes in the Hudson.

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Speaker 5: Bay in New York.

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Speaker 9: And she starts working in the small cafe and she's

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Speaker 9: taught to cook the recipes from Lewis's late wife's cookbook,

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Speaker 9: and there's a real enchantment about it, and she starts

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Speaker 9: to put bit together the pieces of his life. And

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Speaker 9: she meet some locals in the cafe.

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Speaker 17: Guys Came.

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Speaker 9: There's two people called Guy and Mahama who make chocolate,

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Speaker 9: and they teach her their skills, and that's where she

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Speaker 9: really finds her love for cooking and reinvents herself as Vivian,

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Speaker 9: and that Wonders of chocolate and its magic really mesmerizes her.

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Speaker 9: But she's really fearful of her mother's reluctance of settling

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Speaker 9: down in one place, and so she takes off without warning,

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Speaker 9: leaving her friends quite distraught. And there's a real mystical

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Speaker 9: element running through the book. There's tarot cards and rituals

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Speaker 9: and her ability to see and read people's colors and

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Speaker 9: understand them so quite clearly. But the writing feels really

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Speaker 9: kind of authentic and mesmerizing, and you almost feel like

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Speaker 9: you're in Marseille and the summer breeze and you can

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Speaker 9: smell the pretzels and the beer in New York and

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Speaker 9: the fresh herbs and garlic cooking and ShaSS. The recipes are,

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Speaker 9: you know, like if you're kind of a bit of

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Speaker 9: a food fanatic. This is also because you feel immersed

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Speaker 9: in that world. And it's a perfect book for escapism,

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Speaker 9: and it's a brilliant prequel to the whole Chucolar story.

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Speaker 3: Ah sounds so good, fantastic. That is VR by Joanne Harris.

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Speaker 3: Catherine's first book is Atmosphere by Taylor Dienkins read and

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Speaker 3: of course both of those will be on the website.

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Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to know.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and Bpure dot co dot

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Speaker 1: nzet for high quality supplements, news talks, that'd be.

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Speaker 4: I just bolt under the tree, so I was sweet.

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Speaker 3: This is Phantom Island. It's a song by King Gizzard

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Speaker 3: and the Wizard Lizard from an album of the same title.

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Speaker 3: I quite like that. It's busy.

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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's busy, yeah, but but I quite like that. And

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Speaker 3: I'm ashamed to say I'd never heard of King Gizzard

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Speaker 3: until and the Wizard Lizards inevitable. It was inevitable. Don't

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Speaker 3: pretend like you're surprised. I'd never heard of King Gizzard

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Speaker 3: and the Lizard Wizard until this week in Estelle Clifford,

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Speaker 3: our music reviewer, bringing them to my attention. Good morning.

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Speaker 20: More than that, do you know?

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Speaker 21: The first time I heard these guys was twenty nineteen

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Speaker 21: and they had, I think just been nominated for an

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Speaker 21: ARIA for their heavy metal album, right, So when I've

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Speaker 21: sort of first discovered them, I was like, oh, right,

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01:50:15,693 --> 01:50:18,973
Speaker 21: they're full metal rock band. Okay, that's kind of cool.

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Speaker 21: And then the next album were like, hang on, wait,

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Speaker 21: are they still the same people? I don't understand right,

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Speaker 21: they are the absolute I mean it's in the name Lizard,

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Speaker 21: isn't it. Chameleons, the chameleons of music. They don't like

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Speaker 21: to sit still in anything too long, very playful, much

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Speaker 21: like their name. That's just there is an absolute trip

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Speaker 21: hazard for everybody who's to say it out loud on

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Speaker 21: the radio, I think. But just very very talented musicians

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01:50:45,533 --> 01:50:48,773
Speaker 21: and again very playful with genres and then actually how

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01:50:48,813 --> 01:50:52,013
Speaker 21: they bring them all together. Yeah, these guys are also

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Speaker 21: like I think it was like twenty fifteen or something,

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01:50:54,133 --> 01:50:56,853
Speaker 21: they released an album called Quarters and it was literally

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01:50:57,093 --> 01:50:58,813
Speaker 21: four songs that were over ten minutes long.

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Speaker 20: Oh and that was a whole album just that.

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Speaker 21: So they're not playing into they're not playing into any

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01:51:05,333 --> 01:51:08,453
Speaker 21: sort of mainstream we think our music's going to go

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Speaker 21: straight to radio play or anything like that. They're really

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01:51:10,773 --> 01:51:13,693
Speaker 21: just creating music for what they like. I think a

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01:51:13,773 --> 01:51:16,853
Speaker 21: lot of it comes from some jam studio sessions and

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Speaker 21: then they evolved from there. This album Phantom Island. They

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01:51:20,933 --> 01:51:25,453
Speaker 21: really have created imagery and also music that goes with

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01:51:25,493 --> 01:51:27,893
Speaker 21: their imagery that sounds like you're literally like, I think

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01:51:27,933 --> 01:51:30,253
Speaker 21: one of the pictures is a fish with a trumpet

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01:51:30,813 --> 01:51:32,453
Speaker 21: going up on a round a building, you know. So

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01:51:32,533 --> 01:51:36,893
Speaker 21: it's very it's almost their Sergeant Pepper's album, you know,

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01:51:36,973 --> 01:51:40,453
Speaker 21: and it's very theatrical and a little bit flamboyant, and

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Speaker 21: there's this orchestral stuff. So from their last album, they

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01:51:44,213 --> 01:51:46,573
Speaker 21: actually had like a group of songs that didn't make

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01:51:46,613 --> 01:51:49,013
Speaker 21: the last album, but they felt like they belonged somewhere

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01:51:49,053 --> 01:51:51,813
Speaker 21: and that's something needed to happen to them. So they

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01:51:51,893 --> 01:51:54,373
Speaker 21: got on board with a friend called Chad Kelly. Now

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Speaker 21: he's a conductor and he's an arranger, and so they

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Speaker 21: got him to put these orchestral other elements to the songs.

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Speaker 21: And it's really clever because Phantom island there, like there's

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Speaker 21: these massive during sections and you know, just it's quite odd,

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Speaker 21: like every now and then there's like this random oboe

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01:52:12,893 --> 01:52:14,733
Speaker 21: sort of sound that you get through the base of it,

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Speaker 21: and it's a really quite interesting fusion. And I think

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Speaker 21: for them what it did is it re excited them

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Speaker 21: about these leftover songs, which must be frustrating when you've

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Speaker 21: written so much work and you do feel like they

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Speaker 21: have a life, and so I think that part there

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01:52:29,173 --> 01:52:30,773
Speaker 21: for them was like, Okay, yes, this can be a

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Speaker 21: whole other album.

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Speaker 20: There's still this real poppy.

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Speaker 21: Kind of sound to a lot of the tracks. Yeah,

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Speaker 21: so it's a little I don't know, it's kind of

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01:52:39,493 --> 01:52:41,533
Speaker 21: I don't know, what is it orchestral.

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01:52:42,133 --> 01:52:43,973
Speaker 3: Theatrical yah, yeah, theatrical.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, let's just go with that.

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Speaker 21: I actually really enjoy lead singer Stu Mackenzie's voice is

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01:52:48,733 --> 01:52:51,973
Speaker 21: really great on this. It's quite playful along with the music.

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Speaker 21: I mean, sometimes the actual lyrics might sit a little

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01:52:54,933 --> 01:52:57,333
Speaker 21: bit deep and it might be about our impact on

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Speaker 21: the environment and what's going on in life, but you

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01:53:00,573 --> 01:53:02,733
Speaker 21: don't sink into that first, if you know what I mean,

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01:53:02,813 --> 01:53:05,453
Speaker 21: Like you're so taken away with what's going on musically.

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01:53:06,533 --> 01:53:08,453
Speaker 21: And I think also if you've got some really good

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01:53:08,493 --> 01:53:11,453
Speaker 21: headphones or loud speakers, that's the best way to hit

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Speaker 21: this album straight up. Like just each song is like

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01:53:14,613 --> 01:53:18,173
Speaker 21: a random little trip. Yeah right, yeah, and so much

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Speaker 21: going on for it, So yeah, crank it up nice

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01:53:20,733 --> 01:53:25,013
Speaker 21: and loud, really embrace that great voice in the harmonies

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01:53:25,053 --> 01:53:27,893
Speaker 21: that come through a really cool Yeah.

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Speaker 20: I like what they do actually a little bit psychedelic

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01:53:30,253 --> 01:53:30,853
Speaker 20: pop too.

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01:53:30,773 --> 01:53:33,933
Speaker 3: Maybe Differentely got a psychedelic yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 20: And then there's a bit of jazz funk.

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Speaker 21: You know, you'll get that sort of funky bassline that

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01:53:37,613 --> 01:53:40,973
Speaker 21: goes through a lot of the songs too. And yeah,

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Speaker 21: a little more playful and a lot brighter than I

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01:53:43,253 --> 01:53:45,173
Speaker 21: think I've probably heard some of their music, Like, I've

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01:53:45,213 --> 01:53:49,213
Speaker 21: actually really enjoyed this album. Yeah, and I'm kind of fascinating.

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Speaker 21: I think they're one of those bands for me that

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01:53:51,413 --> 01:53:52,933
Speaker 21: you're like, oh, these guys, Okay, what.

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01:53:52,973 --> 01:53:53,893
Speaker 20: Are we going to get you?

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Speaker 21: You feel excited in some ways when they release a

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01:53:56,853 --> 01:53:58,013
Speaker 21: new album because you're never quite.

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Speaker 3: Sure, you never shy totally twenty seventh album.

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Speaker 7: I know.

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01:54:01,653 --> 01:54:03,773
Speaker 3: That's insane, isn't it. It's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, they did that crazy thing like Troy King, where

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01:54:06,813 --> 01:54:08,613
Speaker 21: they decided to release, you know, a whole heap of

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Speaker 21: albums in one year. So there were two consecutive years

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01:54:11,373 --> 01:54:14,133
Speaker 21: where they released like five studio albums each year.

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Speaker 2: Cool.

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01:54:16,373 --> 01:54:19,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, So do we just call them King Gizzard just.

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Speaker 20: King Gizzard's Easy or kg LW.

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01:54:22,773 --> 01:54:25,733
Speaker 3: Oh yep, but I don't know that a g l W.

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01:54:26,093 --> 01:54:28,813
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense.

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01:54:29,013 --> 01:54:30,773
Speaker 20: Okay, there's actually a name for their fans.

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Speaker 5: It's there.

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01:54:31,773 --> 01:54:34,013
Speaker 21: It's something around the gizzard parts. I quite think what

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01:54:34,093 --> 01:54:35,893
Speaker 21: it is, but people sit in the gizzard part and

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01:54:35,973 --> 01:54:36,653
Speaker 21: it's okay.

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01:54:38,133 --> 01:54:38,773
Speaker 5: What did you give it?

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01:54:38,813 --> 01:54:40,373
Speaker 3: What do you give Phantom Island?

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01:54:40,373 --> 01:54:42,133
Speaker 20: Look, I'm really enjoying it isn't eight out of ten?

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01:54:42,413 --> 01:54:43,933
Speaker 3: Nice? All right, we'll get a bit more of a

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Speaker 3: listener to a couple of minutes. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: to Stelle Pleuresdale Clifford, our music reviewer. More King Gizzard

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Speaker 3: and the Wizard Lizard for you in a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 3: doing all the tough stuff for us. This morning, We're

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Speaker 3: gonna leave you with King Gizzard and the Wizard Lizard.

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Speaker 3: Their new album is Phantom Island. This song is called

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Speaker 3: Lonely Cosmos. See you next week.

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