1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,627 Speaker 1: from News Talks Abday Afternoons. 3 00:00:13,747 --> 00:00:15,467 Speaker 2: James mconey time, Hello. 4 00:00:15,227 --> 00:00:16,867 Speaker 3: Mate, good a piney. 5 00:00:16,867 --> 00:00:19,227 Speaker 2: How are you very good? Very good? A few topics 6 00:00:19,227 --> 00:00:21,627 Speaker 2: to kick around with you today. Can we start at 7 00:00:21,627 --> 00:00:24,907 Speaker 2: Hagley Ovl in christ Church where a depleted black Caps 8 00:00:24,947 --> 00:00:27,707 Speaker 2: attack just could not get through the West Indies. Did 9 00:00:27,747 --> 00:00:30,267 Speaker 2: you feel as though they have lost an opportunity to 10 00:00:30,307 --> 00:00:31,147 Speaker 2: go one nel up here? 11 00:00:31,947 --> 00:00:34,347 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, injuries are injuries, right, 12 00:00:35,707 --> 00:00:38,547 Speaker 3: It's rare to see them decimated bowling an attack like 13 00:00:38,627 --> 00:00:44,667 Speaker 3: that in a Test match, but it is the attack 14 00:00:44,827 --> 00:00:47,347 Speaker 3: wasn't quite you know, at full strength when you consider 15 00:00:47,387 --> 00:00:50,987 Speaker 3: what Will O'Rourke was doing last year, and even we're 16 00:00:50,987 --> 00:00:53,787 Speaker 3: still waiting for the return of Kryle Jamison if you like, 17 00:00:53,867 --> 00:00:56,507 Speaker 3: you know, the second coming because he was so talented 18 00:00:56,547 --> 00:00:59,707 Speaker 3: when we won the World Test Championship final. It is 19 00:01:00,227 --> 00:01:03,507 Speaker 3: still a brave effort. But that was incredible from the 20 00:01:03,507 --> 00:01:07,587 Speaker 3: West Indies and probably has given something to this Test 21 00:01:07,627 --> 00:01:10,387 Speaker 3: series that didn't really have a lot of fire to 22 00:01:10,467 --> 00:01:11,587 Speaker 3: it beforehand. 23 00:01:11,867 --> 00:01:13,947 Speaker 2: I agree. I think we all sort of you know, 24 00:01:14,067 --> 00:01:17,747 Speaker 2: perhaps you know, rather disparagingly thought that the West Indies 25 00:01:17,747 --> 00:01:19,467 Speaker 2: will be a bit of a walkover, would have a 26 00:01:19,467 --> 00:01:21,867 Speaker 2: couple of three and four day Test matches. I just 27 00:01:21,907 --> 00:01:24,627 Speaker 2: thought the way that they dug in yesterday, albeit as 28 00:01:24,627 --> 00:01:27,187 Speaker 2: I say, against a depleted bowling attack with Henry and 29 00:01:27,507 --> 00:01:29,227 Speaker 2: Smith not able to bowl on the final, Now you're 30 00:01:29,227 --> 00:01:30,907 Speaker 2: still got to stay in. You know, one hundred and 31 00:01:30,947 --> 00:01:33,187 Speaker 2: sixty three overs out there, You're still got to stay in. 32 00:01:34,027 --> 00:01:36,467 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that four hundred and fifty seven for six 33 00:01:36,467 --> 00:01:38,827 Speaker 3: in the fourth innings of a Test is madness. They're 34 00:01:38,827 --> 00:01:40,907 Speaker 3: calling it the second highest. It really is the highest 35 00:01:40,907 --> 00:01:43,907 Speaker 3: in a five day Test, because I think that it's 36 00:01:43,947 --> 00:01:47,547 Speaker 3: only behind a timeless Test from nineteen thirty nine when 37 00:01:47,587 --> 00:01:50,347 Speaker 3: they kept on batting in South Africa. I think it 38 00:01:50,387 --> 00:01:52,907 Speaker 3: was England for nine days or something. You know, like 39 00:01:53,587 --> 00:01:57,187 Speaker 3: timeless tests a thing of the past. But seeing them 40 00:01:57,507 --> 00:01:59,267 Speaker 3: go out there with the double times, I mean we 41 00:01:59,307 --> 00:02:03,147 Speaker 3: have seen some incredible Test matches, you know, India's miracle 42 00:02:03,147 --> 00:02:05,987 Speaker 3: at the Gabba. I actually think Test match cricket is 43 00:02:06,027 --> 00:02:09,747 Speaker 3: really keeps on giving and it's just that New Zealand 44 00:02:09,787 --> 00:02:14,187 Speaker 3: has to prepare for life after Kane. Really, when is 45 00:02:14,187 --> 00:02:17,427 Speaker 3: he going to hold on to the Australian series next year. 46 00:02:17,747 --> 00:02:19,307 Speaker 3: It's a big mystery. There are a lot of people 47 00:02:19,347 --> 00:02:20,707 Speaker 3: preparing for a retirement. 48 00:02:20,787 --> 00:02:23,227 Speaker 2: Sooner than that, you reckon it might be before that. 49 00:02:23,267 --> 00:02:26,987 Speaker 2: You don't reckon he'll he'll make next summer's Australian Test 50 00:02:27,027 --> 00:02:29,427 Speaker 2: Series because I guess I would like to think, and 51 00:02:29,507 --> 00:02:31,307 Speaker 2: it could be well off, that that might be his 52 00:02:31,427 --> 00:02:34,947 Speaker 2: swan song, a four Test series against Australia away. 53 00:02:35,667 --> 00:02:39,107 Speaker 3: I'm hoping that it will be. I think he probably 54 00:02:39,107 --> 00:02:41,507 Speaker 3: will hang on. It probably won't be the best for 55 00:02:41,547 --> 00:02:44,027 Speaker 3: the average. He hasn't done that well against Australia in 56 00:02:44,027 --> 00:02:48,547 Speaker 3: the past, but not terrible. It's just it is a 57 00:02:48,547 --> 00:02:50,507 Speaker 3: tough ask. I mean, we just saw Joe Roots score 58 00:02:50,547 --> 00:02:54,827 Speaker 3: his first Test down a test century down under. It 59 00:02:54,867 --> 00:02:56,907 Speaker 3: that's how hard it is. But yeah, I mean that 60 00:02:57,027 --> 00:03:00,707 Speaker 3: is it still means that it's imminent and we still 61 00:03:00,747 --> 00:03:04,107 Speaker 3: need to look for new talent coming through. And I've 62 00:03:04,107 --> 00:03:05,947 Speaker 3: got my own a few, and I've heard there's a 63 00:03:05,947 --> 00:03:10,427 Speaker 3: young better from Otago called Hugo Bog who we should 64 00:03:10,427 --> 00:03:12,467 Speaker 3: all keep an eye on out of nineteens at the stage. 65 00:03:12,507 --> 00:03:16,227 Speaker 3: But still we do need players of rear talent, not 66 00:03:16,427 --> 00:03:19,827 Speaker 3: just to keep the team, you know, in that I 67 00:03:19,867 --> 00:03:23,067 Speaker 3: guess in the elite level that we that we like 68 00:03:23,147 --> 00:03:25,627 Speaker 3: to think we are. It's also just to have big 69 00:03:25,707 --> 00:03:30,387 Speaker 3: names that excite other nations because that's how you get tours. 70 00:03:30,387 --> 00:03:32,467 Speaker 2: I think these days it's generally accept that, isn't it 71 00:03:32,507 --> 00:03:35,427 Speaker 2: Your best batsman goes in at three. So when came 72 00:03:35,467 --> 00:03:37,907 Speaker 2: Williamson comes out of the team, whenever that is, I 73 00:03:37,907 --> 00:03:40,147 Speaker 2: feel like, rightch and Revender just goes up one, doesn't 74 00:03:40,187 --> 00:03:42,147 Speaker 2: he He's the heir apparent at three, isn't he? 75 00:03:42,907 --> 00:03:43,147 Speaker 1: Yeah? 76 00:03:43,187 --> 00:03:45,867 Speaker 3: Well, Richend's average we went up from forty two to 77 00:03:45,907 --> 00:03:48,867 Speaker 3: forty five. Facts that it ends the one seventy sixty scored. 78 00:03:49,307 --> 00:03:52,107 Speaker 3: So that's just the impact because he's still quite early 79 00:03:52,107 --> 00:03:55,027 Speaker 3: in his career. That's the difference that can make to 80 00:03:55,067 --> 00:03:59,347 Speaker 3: your average. So he's also tracking ahead of Kay Williamson 81 00:03:59,427 --> 00:04:03,227 Speaker 3: for the same number of tests early in his career. 82 00:04:03,267 --> 00:04:05,907 Speaker 3: But of course Kane had an incredible purple patch for 83 00:04:05,907 --> 00:04:09,707 Speaker 3: four or five years. But then that's good signs for 84 00:04:09,787 --> 00:04:13,227 Speaker 3: Rutchen really because I think he is world class and 85 00:04:13,507 --> 00:04:16,667 Speaker 3: they probably held him back the right amount of years. 86 00:04:16,707 --> 00:04:19,827 Speaker 3: I mean, we always we're talking about him, but now 87 00:04:20,587 --> 00:04:23,627 Speaker 3: he's just the mainstay of the team, which is pretty 88 00:04:23,627 --> 00:04:26,187 Speaker 3: heartening because you know, we've lost a few in the 89 00:04:26,227 --> 00:04:29,707 Speaker 3: past few years with Taylor and McCallum and the likes of. 90 00:04:29,627 --> 00:04:33,187 Speaker 2: Those to the ashes at the Gabber and Brisbane Day 91 00:04:33,227 --> 00:04:37,867 Speaker 2: four today, Australia eventually dismissed yesterday for five hundred and eleven. 92 00:04:38,547 --> 00:04:40,707 Speaker 2: England were doing all right, they were ninety for one 93 00:04:42,027 --> 00:04:45,187 Speaker 2: and then they've just I don't know, just inexplicable one 94 00:04:45,227 --> 00:04:47,267 Speaker 2: thirty four for six day are They're still forty odd 95 00:04:47,347 --> 00:04:49,987 Speaker 2: short of making Australia bad again. There are two days 96 00:04:49,987 --> 00:04:52,627 Speaker 2: to go. This probably won't go much past the first 97 00:04:52,627 --> 00:04:53,587 Speaker 2: session tonight. 98 00:04:55,027 --> 00:04:59,347 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough for England, but then I don't think 99 00:04:59,347 --> 00:05:01,987 Speaker 3: their batterers have too much excuse. This is a depleted 100 00:05:02,067 --> 00:05:05,067 Speaker 3: Australian attack. Yeah, Mitchell Stark one of the all time 101 00:05:05,107 --> 00:05:07,947 Speaker 3: greats now the top get taking left arbor and cricket 102 00:05:08,227 --> 00:05:11,907 Speaker 3: going past was Si Matkrim. But what's what's your other excuse? England? 103 00:05:11,947 --> 00:05:14,547 Speaker 3: Come on now, you turn up with it with guys 104 00:05:14,547 --> 00:05:17,747 Speaker 3: who are pretty much really highly tilted, with Joe Route, 105 00:05:17,867 --> 00:05:21,267 Speaker 3: Harry brook Stokes as well, who's we've seen him some 106 00:05:21,347 --> 00:05:24,747 Speaker 3: of the innings that he can play. They have to 107 00:05:24,947 --> 00:05:28,227 Speaker 3: really find another way because I actually don't think their 108 00:05:28,587 --> 00:05:31,347 Speaker 3: bowling attack is that great at the moment. So it's 109 00:05:31,427 --> 00:05:33,307 Speaker 3: up to their batter is to do something special, and 110 00:05:33,307 --> 00:05:36,507 Speaker 3: they just didn't. But hey, there's still a few embers 111 00:05:36,507 --> 00:05:39,147 Speaker 3: in the ashes. But it has a fantastic watch, I 112 00:05:39,227 --> 00:05:43,587 Speaker 3: must say, just the drama and you know, even the 113 00:05:43,667 --> 00:05:47,107 Speaker 3: personality is the crowd. Everything about it just has another 114 00:05:47,187 --> 00:05:49,947 Speaker 3: level up. It's kind of like watching State of Origin 115 00:05:49,987 --> 00:05:52,867 Speaker 3: in some ways, you know, just the the the hoopla 116 00:05:52,947 --> 00:05:53,347 Speaker 3: around it. 117 00:05:53,467 --> 00:05:56,427 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree, speaking of hoopla. The draw 118 00:05:56,547 --> 00:05:58,387 Speaker 2: for the World Cup, the FIFA World Cup. This was 119 00:05:58,387 --> 00:06:01,787 Speaker 2: made yesterday eventually after some pageantry. We know the All 120 00:06:01,787 --> 00:06:06,067 Speaker 2: Whites will play against Belgium, Egypt, and Iran. We know 121 00:06:06,147 --> 00:06:09,107 Speaker 2: that the first of those games will be in Los Angeles, 122 00:06:09,427 --> 00:06:12,307 Speaker 2: that one is against Iran, and then up to Vancouver 123 00:06:12,827 --> 00:06:15,147 Speaker 2: where they'll play the remaining two. This is a good 124 00:06:15,227 --> 00:06:16,187 Speaker 2: draw for us, isn't it. 125 00:06:16,907 --> 00:06:19,547 Speaker 3: It's not too bad, you know, I'm happy with Belgium, 126 00:06:20,107 --> 00:06:26,147 Speaker 3: Egypt and Iran. Iran so far away O good and 127 00:06:26,267 --> 00:06:29,747 Speaker 3: yeah all we yeah, flock of seagulls there for anybody 128 00:06:30,027 --> 00:06:32,827 Speaker 3: whose generation X will know what I'm singing about. But 129 00:06:33,587 --> 00:06:36,267 Speaker 3: I actually think it's fine. Belgium a sort of not 130 00:06:36,307 --> 00:06:38,427 Speaker 3: necessarily past the use by date, but they are on 131 00:06:38,867 --> 00:06:40,947 Speaker 3: the decline when you look at the likes of Lukaku 132 00:06:41,107 --> 00:06:44,307 Speaker 3: and de Bruyna into their mid thirties. And you could 133 00:06:44,387 --> 00:06:47,747 Speaker 3: say the same for most Sala given Liverpool's season. But hey, 134 00:06:47,867 --> 00:06:51,787 Speaker 3: Mosala is so good. All I ask for anyone who 135 00:06:51,907 --> 00:06:54,947 Speaker 3: has to mark Mosala is mark that left foot. Yeah 136 00:06:54,987 --> 00:06:57,707 Speaker 3: he might score off as right, but he will score 137 00:06:57,747 --> 00:06:59,627 Speaker 3: off his left if you give him a chance. So 138 00:07:00,107 --> 00:07:02,827 Speaker 3: if Libby Cacacci, I think we've got a good left 139 00:07:02,867 --> 00:07:08,867 Speaker 3: back there, Pony, I'm not too unhappy with the left side, 140 00:07:08,907 --> 00:07:12,427 Speaker 3: I guess with Salah playing in that inverted right wing 141 00:07:12,467 --> 00:07:15,147 Speaker 3: position and then Iran, I mean, look, it could have 142 00:07:15,187 --> 00:07:15,947 Speaker 3: been a lot worse. 143 00:07:16,187 --> 00:07:18,067 Speaker 2: It could have It could well have been a lot worse. 144 00:07:18,067 --> 00:07:21,267 Speaker 2: I think it's a group we can approach with a 145 00:07:21,307 --> 00:07:23,667 Speaker 2: degree of optimism. Hey, just before you go, have you 146 00:07:23,707 --> 00:07:25,307 Speaker 2: been keeping eyes on Sam Ruth? 147 00:07:26,747 --> 00:07:30,427 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, this runner Sam Ruth just breaking all records. 148 00:07:30,467 --> 00:07:33,027 Speaker 3: Another one today, the eight hundred meetings. I think the 149 00:07:33,067 --> 00:07:36,627 Speaker 3: schools or under eighteen record that this is a great 150 00:07:36,627 --> 00:07:39,867 Speaker 3: thing about the resurgence. It's a renaissance and running in 151 00:07:39,907 --> 00:07:42,507 Speaker 3: New Zealand, and I think someone like Nick Willison needs 152 00:07:42,507 --> 00:07:46,347 Speaker 3: to take some credit here. His bronze medal upgraded to 153 00:07:46,387 --> 00:07:51,307 Speaker 3: silver in the Beijing Olympics was amazing and then of 154 00:07:51,387 --> 00:07:55,587 Speaker 3: course he repeated the dose in Rio, so that I'm 155 00:07:55,627 --> 00:07:58,027 Speaker 3: sure that had an impact on this generation with Jordy 156 00:07:58,107 --> 00:08:01,027 Speaker 3: Beamish and now Sam Ruth and all those guys, So 157 00:08:01,267 --> 00:08:03,627 Speaker 3: neck takeabow. I know that there was always a tough 158 00:08:03,627 --> 00:08:06,187 Speaker 3: fact to follow when you've got the likes of Snell 159 00:08:06,227 --> 00:08:10,787 Speaker 3: and Walker in the history of middle distance running. But 160 00:08:10,987 --> 00:08:14,027 Speaker 3: now New Zealand is a genuine contender. Jordi Beamish that 161 00:08:14,107 --> 00:08:17,467 Speaker 3: gold medal in the steeplechase, it was always thought unheard 162 00:08:17,467 --> 00:08:20,707 Speaker 3: of to see a medalist outside of Africa in that event. 163 00:08:20,787 --> 00:08:24,387 Speaker 3: And so I mean in back country Hawk's Bay, we've 164 00:08:24,387 --> 00:08:26,707 Speaker 3: got the best in the world. And now from Todo 165 00:08:26,667 --> 00:08:30,147 Speaker 3: owner Sam Rue, you love to see it. Let's us 166 00:08:30,187 --> 00:08:31,907 Speaker 3: hope that he can keep up the pace that he's 167 00:08:31,907 --> 00:08:34,067 Speaker 3: set because it's just unbelievable, scorching. 168 00:08:34,307 --> 00:08:37,707 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is unreal. And Sam's dad been on with 169 00:08:37,827 --> 00:08:39,547 Speaker 2: us in the next hour. He used to run against 170 00:08:39,587 --> 00:08:42,347 Speaker 2: Nick Willis so yeah. They know each other pretty well 171 00:08:42,347 --> 00:08:43,827 Speaker 2: and by the sounds of it, Nick has been very 172 00:08:43,827 --> 00:08:47,027 Speaker 2: helpful in the early stages of Sam's career as well. 173 00:08:47,027 --> 00:08:49,267 Speaker 2: Great to chat as always, James, thanks for taking the time. 174 00:08:49,387 --> 00:08:51,307 Speaker 2: James mcconey big part of our Sundays. 175 00:08:51,987 --> 00:08:55,147 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, Listen live 176 00:08:55,267 --> 00:08:58,667 Speaker 1: to news talks b weekends from midday, or follow the 177 00:08:58,707 --> 00:09:00,227 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.