WEBVTT - Leighton Smith Podcast #284 - May 14th 2025 - Dr Pierre Kory 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from news talks it B. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:16.173 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:16.693 --> 0:00:19.733 It's time for all the attitude, all the opinion, all 0:00:19.773 --> 0:00:24.813 the information, all the debates of the now, the Leyton 0:00:24.933 --> 0:00:27.653 Smith Podcast powered by news talks it B. 0:00:28.093 --> 0:00:31.693 Welcome to podcasts two eighty four for May fourteen, twenty 0:00:31.773 --> 0:00:38.653 twenty five. Deceits, corruption, blackmail, threats, cowardice, dismissal, just a 0:00:38.653 --> 0:00:42.173 few words to indicate how the world works. One such 0:00:42.253 --> 0:00:46.813 example concerns doctor Pierre Corey, who was in the thick 0:00:46.853 --> 0:00:50.653 of it for four years or longer, but still not 0:00:50.933 --> 0:00:53.333 entirely free of it. I quote you a few lines 0:00:53.373 --> 0:00:56.693 from his book The War on iver Mecdon. I soon 0:00:56.733 --> 0:00:59.293 discovered that the corruption and deceit was hardly limited to 0:00:59.373 --> 0:01:03.933 the pharmaceutical space. The entire medical industrial complex, including our 0:01:04.013 --> 0:01:09.333 governmental and international regulatory agencies, big farmer, public and private 0:01:09.373 --> 0:01:14.053 healthcare systems and hospital networks, medical schools and their journals 0:01:14.253 --> 0:01:17.773 had been collectively captured. Now to say that per Cory 0:01:17.853 --> 0:01:21.773 is a generous man is an understatement. He is very 0:01:21.773 --> 0:01:25.253 generous with his time. His attitude to just about everything 0:01:25.333 --> 0:01:29.213 is positive and giving. Is a very good speaker, and 0:01:29.373 --> 0:01:33.693 we shall talk with him soon, but just to exemplify 0:01:33.773 --> 0:01:36.653 the fact that he is not on his own with 0:01:36.853 --> 0:01:39.893 what he has been through, and I'm sure most people 0:01:40.093 --> 0:01:43.573 listening will be familiar with it in some way, but 0:01:43.653 --> 0:01:47.013 to show that there are others who are involved in 0:01:47.053 --> 0:01:50.013 trying to improve the world, I suppose let me refer 0:01:50.133 --> 0:01:55.053 to Mary and Demasi, an Australian science writer. She was 0:01:55.093 --> 0:01:58.773 with ABC Radio and Sydney or maybe television or maybe both, 0:01:59.333 --> 0:02:02.293 but she was for a considerable period of time, but 0:02:02.333 --> 0:02:05.653 she went independent and I've referenced to her be for 0:02:05.813 --> 0:02:08.693 she doesn't do interviews because she doesn't want to who 0:02:09.333 --> 0:02:12.933 she wants to retain her independence. I think is the 0:02:12.933 --> 0:02:16.933 way that she put it to me. Anyway, Merk rigged 0:02:17.013 --> 0:02:21.693 Gardasil trials to conceal Harm's court documents reveal and this 0:02:21.853 --> 0:02:25.093 was published by her just a few days ago. In 0:02:25.133 --> 0:02:28.173 what would become one of the most explosive pharmaceutical lawsuits 0:02:28.213 --> 0:02:32.733 in US history, Roby versus Merk, centered on the Gardasil 0:02:32.973 --> 0:02:37.133 HPV vaccine and is set to resume in Los Angeles 0:02:37.133 --> 0:02:40.053 in September of this year. At the core of the 0:02:40.093 --> 0:02:44.893 case are allegations that Merk misrepresented the safety profile of Gardasil, 0:02:45.333 --> 0:02:51.053 allegations now supported by powerful evidence. A newly unsealed expert 0:02:51.093 --> 0:02:55.533 report from Danish physician and world renowned research methodologist doctor 0:02:55.733 --> 0:03:01.653 Peter C. Gooshki, Well that's my interpretation, submitted as part 0:03:01.693 --> 0:03:05.333 of the pre trial motion, underpins the claims against Merk. 0:03:05.973 --> 0:03:09.653 His three hundred and fifty page forensic analysis, now part 0:03:09.693 --> 0:03:12.933 of the official court record, lays bare a chilling narrative 0:03:14.053 --> 0:03:20.093 of clinical trial rigging, regulatory failure, and global deception. According 0:03:20.133 --> 0:03:25.493 to Weergotski, Merk distorted its clinical trial data so thoroughly 0:03:25.973 --> 0:03:30.493 that the results were rendered scientifically meaningless. Gotshki's assessment is 0:03:30.533 --> 0:03:34.453 stark and unequivocal. The Mirk sponsored trials cannot be used 0:03:34.573 --> 0:03:37.373 to properly assess the harms of the vaccines, he writes, 0:03:37.933 --> 0:03:42.853 adding that the company squandered the opportunity to legitimately study 0:03:42.853 --> 0:03:47.333 the safety of Gardasil. After examining one hundred and twelve 0:03:47.373 --> 0:03:53.253 thousand pages of regulatory documents, Gotshki concluded that Mirk manipulated 0:03:53.293 --> 0:03:57.773 its data to such an extent that it would be difficult, 0:03:58.213 --> 0:04:01.733 if not impossible, for any independent scientist or even government 0:04:01.773 --> 0:04:07.333 regulators to accurately assess the vaccines harm. It now raises 0:04:07.413 --> 0:04:13.733 the fundamental question, were millions of adolescents misled into consenting 0:04:13.813 --> 0:04:18.653 to a vaccine whose true safety risks were deliberately obscured. 0:04:19.333 --> 0:04:22.853 Now there is more to the article, but it's not 0:04:23.293 --> 0:04:27.773 the point of today's podcast. But that's just one example. 0:04:28.293 --> 0:04:32.373 Here's a second, The Crisis of Unreliable Science, a pharmacologist 0:04:32.533 --> 0:04:38.813 call for radical reform. Each year, biomedical scientists pump out 0:04:39.093 --> 0:04:42.773 about a million new papers, but a troubling truth hides 0:04:42.813 --> 0:04:46.333 in plain sight. Much of this work cannot be replicated. 0:04:46.813 --> 0:04:50.293 Far from a small glitch, this is a colossal crisis, 0:04:50.493 --> 0:04:55.453 squandering billions, eroding faith in science, and stalling genuine breakthroughs. 0:04:56.213 --> 0:05:01.693 In an interview with Chemical and Engineering News, pharmacologist Zaba Zavo, 0:05:02.173 --> 0:05:06.653 a professor at the University of Freiburg, Switzerland, confronts this 0:05:06.813 --> 0:05:11.613 chaos head on previewing his recently published book Unreliable. His 0:05:11.773 --> 0:05:16.653 verdict the scientific system is fractured beyond repair, and band 0:05:16.693 --> 0:05:20.533 aid fixes won't cut it. Nothing short of a revolution 0:05:20.813 --> 0:05:24.533 will do. But there is more, and it goes back 0:05:24.573 --> 0:05:27.733 a little further, just to show that there's nothing really 0:05:27.853 --> 0:05:31.333 new about from the book Betrayers of Truth, which I 0:05:31.333 --> 0:05:34.453 think is about fifty years old now or thereabouts. Fraud 0:05:34.533 --> 0:05:36.653 and de Seit in the Halls of Science by William 0:05:36.693 --> 0:05:40.773 Broad and Nicholas Wade, and chapter two is deceit in history. 0:05:41.013 --> 0:05:43.853 Through experimental science, we have been able to learn all 0:05:43.893 --> 0:05:47.813 these facts about the natural world, triumphing over darkness and ignorance, 0:05:47.853 --> 0:05:52.733 to classify the stars and to estimate their masses, composition distances, 0:05:52.773 --> 0:05:56.813 and velocities, to classify living species, and to unravel their 0:05:56.813 --> 0:06:02.093 genetic relations. These great accomplishments of experimental science were achieved 0:06:02.133 --> 0:06:05.733 by men who had in common only a few things. 0:06:05.813 --> 0:06:09.853 They were honest and actually made the observations they recorded, 0:06:10.293 --> 0:06:12.773 and they published the results of their work in a 0:06:12.853 --> 0:06:16.933 form permitting others to duplicate the experiment or observation. So 0:06:17.213 --> 0:06:21.493 says the Berkeley Physics Course, an influential text that has 0:06:21.533 --> 0:06:24.333 been used across the United States to impress cottage students 0:06:24.373 --> 0:06:29.613 with both the substance and tradition of modern physics. As 0:06:29.653 --> 0:06:34.573 with non scientific systems. As with non scientific systems of belief, however, 0:06:35.133 --> 0:06:38.973 the elements insisted on most strongly are often those with 0:06:39.093 --> 0:06:42.893 the least factual reliability. The great scientists of the past 0:06:42.933 --> 0:06:46.053 were not all so honest, and they did not always 0:06:46.093 --> 0:06:51.773 obtain the experimental results they reported. Claudius Ptolemy, known as 0:06:51.813 --> 0:06:56.733 the greatest astronomer of antiquity, did most of his observing 0:06:56.813 --> 0:06:59.853 not at night on the coast of Egypt, but during 0:06:59.893 --> 0:07:03.133 the day in the great Library of Alexandria, where he 0:07:03.253 --> 0:07:07.093 appropriated the work of a Greek astronomer and proceeded to 0:07:07.133 --> 0:07:10.213 call it his own. There's more, but we'll finish with 0:07:10.253 --> 0:07:13.933 the last, and obviously the most recent. The American physicist 0:07:14.093 --> 0:07:17.533 Robert Millikan won the Nobel Prize for being the first 0:07:17.613 --> 0:07:23.053 to measure the electric charge of an electron. But Millican 0:07:23.533 --> 0:07:27.933 extensively misrepresented his work in order to make his experimental 0:07:27.973 --> 0:07:32.773 results seem more convincing than was in fact the case. 0:07:33.933 --> 0:07:37.493 So there's some examples of the fact that we might 0:07:37.573 --> 0:07:40.853 be believing things that aren't true even in this day 0:07:40.893 --> 0:07:43.933 and age. In fact, I think it's fair to say 0:07:43.973 --> 0:07:47.733 even more in this day and age. However, that is 0:07:47.773 --> 0:07:51.533 not the case. I believe with doctor Pierre Cory. The 0:07:51.613 --> 0:07:56.373 problem with his issues lies with the opposition to what 0:07:56.613 --> 0:07:59.973 he has produced. I believe that they're the ones with 0:08:00.133 --> 0:08:03.733 the problems and if anybody from the medical profession or 0:08:03.733 --> 0:08:07.533 the scientific world has different opinions that they feel strongly 0:08:07.573 --> 0:08:10.573 about that, I'd love to hear from you with full 0:08:10.613 --> 0:08:15.613 respect and hear what you have to say and where 0:08:15.613 --> 0:08:18.813 you disagree with what you're about to hear, I think 0:08:18.853 --> 0:08:21.853 that that would be a fine thing. Latent at Newstalks 0:08:21.853 --> 0:08:26.373 ADB dot co dot Nz we'll hear from doctor Corey in. 0:08:26.373 --> 0:08:26.933 Just a moment. 0:08:34.253 --> 0:08:37.893 Buccolan is a natural oral vaccine in a tablet form 0:08:37.973 --> 0:08:41.813 called Bacterial Nice Safe. It'll boost your natural protection against 0:08:41.813 --> 0:08:44.973 bacterial infections in your chest and throat. 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It's a deadly horse steawormer, prescribed and 0:09:55.773 --> 0:09:58.453 promoted as you'll be called a right wing quack and 0:09:58.573 --> 0:10:01.173 be banned from social media or lose your license to 0:10:01.173 --> 0:10:05.453 practice medicine. And yet entire countries wiped out the virus 0:10:05.453 --> 0:10:08.973 with it, and more than ninety five studies now show 0:10:09.013 --> 0:10:12.813 it to be unequivocally effective in preventing and treating COVID nineteen. 0:10:13.173 --> 0:10:16.853 Ask you isulved this question? If it didn't work, why was 0:10:16.893 --> 0:10:21.293 there a coordinated global campaign to cancel it? What is 0:10:21.333 --> 0:10:25.813 the truth about this decades old Nobel Prize winning medication. Now, 0:10:25.853 --> 0:10:28.093 the words I've just quoted are from the inside cover 0:10:28.293 --> 0:10:33.053 of the book The War on Ivermectin. It was published 0:10:33.053 --> 0:10:35.013 in twenty twenty three, and it was sold all over 0:10:35.053 --> 0:10:38.213 the world. To say that it's worth reading is an 0:10:38.373 --> 0:10:42.773 understatement of major proportion. But I had trouble finding a copy, 0:10:42.893 --> 0:10:45.853 at least one that I could buy immediately. I only 0:10:45.853 --> 0:10:49.973 had a few days notice. Subtitled The Medicine that Saved 0:10:49.973 --> 0:10:54.093 millions and could have entered the pandemic, its author is 0:10:54.293 --> 0:10:58.373 as you'll discover a fascinating individual, doctor per Corey. It's 0:10:58.373 --> 0:10:59.813 a pleasure to finally get to talk with. 0:10:59.853 --> 0:11:03.413 You, Leaton. My pleasure as well. Thanks for having me. 0:11:03.573 --> 0:11:05.373 We're doing this between golf games. 0:11:05.413 --> 0:11:08.613 I gather exactly I'm on vac but. 0:11:09.293 --> 0:11:10.973 I wanted to make time for you. I think it's 0:11:10.973 --> 0:11:12.373 an important conversation. 0:11:11.973 --> 0:11:15.293 Always, well, you certainly do your fair share of media, 0:11:16.213 --> 0:11:20.253 so so I want to start just with we'll jump 0:11:20.293 --> 0:11:22.653 around a little bit. I actually we'll jump around a lot. 0:11:22.693 --> 0:11:26.373 It's my podcast. But yeah, I want to start with 0:11:26.853 --> 0:11:30.813 a little experience that you had because this this intrigued 0:11:30.853 --> 0:11:35.533 me with a political legend, and this comes under the 0:11:35.613 --> 0:11:38.093 heating right at the right near the beginning of the book, 0:11:38.373 --> 0:11:41.613 where you are talking about old Pierre as opposed to 0:11:41.773 --> 0:11:46.853 New Pierre. But old Pierre was a fascinating character before 0:11:46.893 --> 0:11:48.573 he changed. So who was old Pierre? 0:11:50.133 --> 0:11:52.853 Oh boy? Yeah, So that was that was the opening 0:11:52.853 --> 0:11:53.413 of my book. 0:11:54.373 --> 0:11:57.813 Well really described, you know, my kind of awakening in 0:11:57.893 --> 0:12:01.173 COVID and so compared to what I believed and what 0:12:01.253 --> 0:12:04.453 I thought were was the truth to what I came 0:12:04.493 --> 0:12:09.133 to believe. Uh, it created an all in a new Pier. 0:12:09.213 --> 0:12:12.333 So the old Pierre, as I describe it, the old 0:12:12.373 --> 0:12:15.413 Pierre read the New York Times and thought it was 0:12:15.453 --> 0:12:16.893 the arbiter of truth. 0:12:17.413 --> 0:12:18.733 And if you really wanted to know. 0:12:18.693 --> 0:12:20.573 What was going on, you read the New York Times 0:12:20.613 --> 0:12:24.053 and you would substitute whatever your main major daily newspaper 0:12:24.093 --> 0:12:27.213 is in New Zealand. But that's the quote unquote paper 0:12:27.293 --> 0:12:30.133 of record in the United States. I read that since 0:12:30.173 --> 0:12:35.533 I was six. I believed in the high impact medical journals. 0:12:35.613 --> 0:12:38.773 I thought only the best science and scientists published there. 0:12:39.693 --> 0:12:43.733 I believed in our healthcare public health agencies. I thought 0:12:44.293 --> 0:12:47.613 only the best science and scientists would form those opinions 0:12:47.653 --> 0:12:52.933 and give that kind of guidance I trusted. I don't 0:12:52.973 --> 0:12:56.373 think I really questioned mainstream media. I kind of felt 0:12:56.413 --> 0:12:59.733 like they're just reporting on stories, and that's what was 0:12:59.773 --> 0:13:02.813 going on, and I was just very basically trusting in 0:13:02.853 --> 0:13:06.813 the institutions of society, and that was a world that 0:13:06.893 --> 0:13:09.133 I lived in, and I thought every thing was I 0:13:09.133 --> 0:13:12.053 don't want to say normal, but I just that was 0:13:12.253 --> 0:13:14.773 my frame of reference for the world I lived in. 0:13:15.053 --> 0:13:18.013 And lady, you want to ask me what the new 0:13:18.053 --> 0:13:18.613 Pierre is. 0:13:19.573 --> 0:13:23.533 Well, let's put it. Let's put it this way. The 0:13:23.533 --> 0:13:26.173 title of the book is The War on Either Migdon, 0:13:27.613 --> 0:13:29.453 and it just came to me as I was reading, 0:13:29.613 --> 0:13:33.293 and I thought a good subtitle would be The Education 0:13:33.533 --> 0:13:36.973 of Pierre Corey, Yes, because. 0:13:36.933 --> 0:13:39.573 Because it really does describe a journey for sure. 0:13:39.653 --> 0:13:40.693 So what about the new peer? 0:13:42.053 --> 0:13:44.373 I mean, the new Pierre has come to learn that 0:13:44.453 --> 0:13:47.813 what the old Pierre believed is simply not true. And 0:13:48.133 --> 0:13:53.013 I hate going like dark or negative thoughts so quickly. 0:13:53.213 --> 0:13:55.693 I mean, the new Pierre has come to realize that 0:13:55.693 --> 0:13:59.853 the old Pierre's impressions and perceptions of the world were 0:13:59.933 --> 0:14:01.853 simply not based in fact. 0:14:02.213 --> 0:14:03.453 They were based in perception. 0:14:03.853 --> 0:14:09.373 And you know, I became very inspired and challenge by COVID, 0:14:09.373 --> 0:14:12.693 and from the get go, before even the hit us shores, 0:14:13.333 --> 0:14:14.693 me and my colleagues were. 0:14:14.613 --> 0:14:16.133 Starting to study look at this. 0:14:16.373 --> 0:14:18.573 You know, I was a pulmonary and critical care physician, 0:14:19.253 --> 0:14:21.653 you know, very high up in academia in the United States. 0:14:21.653 --> 0:14:24.213 I was the chief of the Critical care service as 0:14:24.253 --> 0:14:26.893 well as the director of the ICU at a major 0:14:26.933 --> 0:14:30.893 academic medical center here at the University of Wisconsin, huge 0:14:30.933 --> 0:14:35.053 research funded institution, and so I was in charge of 0:14:35.053 --> 0:14:39.333 our initial COVID response. And I was doing that while 0:14:39.493 --> 0:14:42.173 studying the disease that was again it was a pulmonary 0:14:42.173 --> 0:14:45.093 and critical care disease that was coming at us. And 0:14:45.133 --> 0:14:47.493 that began, you know, three or four or five years 0:14:47.533 --> 0:14:53.133 now of deep study, talking to doctors, reading pre prints, 0:14:53.173 --> 0:14:55.853 you know, reading everything I could, and then also just 0:14:55.973 --> 0:15:00.733 keenly observing various therapies, how the variants were changing, how 0:15:00.773 --> 0:15:04.213 people became ill, because it wasn't you know, it's a 0:15:04.253 --> 0:15:07.013 similar disease, but the variants did change and things became 0:15:07.493 --> 0:15:08.973 more difficult than less difficult. 0:15:09.013 --> 0:15:09.813 Does various change. 0:15:09.853 --> 0:15:12.253 And so I've been immersed in the science of COVID 0:15:12.293 --> 0:15:15.973 and particularly the ivermactin, you know, so I became I 0:15:15.973 --> 0:15:19.613 would consider myself one of the clinical experts in the 0:15:19.693 --> 0:15:20.813 use of ivermactin in. 0:15:20.813 --> 0:15:24.293 COVID, and so I knew the truth about ivermactin. 0:15:24.373 --> 0:15:26.453 How did that end into your life? 0:15:27.413 --> 0:15:31.933 Yeah, So what happened was is when I first bonded 0:15:31.973 --> 0:15:34.773 with my colleague Paul Marris, so he and I were 0:15:34.813 --> 0:15:37.093 good friends. We shared a lot of research into IVY 0:15:37.173 --> 0:15:42.013 vitamin C, so we'd been friendly and interacted, and he's 0:15:42.093 --> 0:15:45.773 a very prominent physician, so he was the most published 0:15:46.773 --> 0:15:50.973 practicing critical care medicine doctor in the history of our specialties, 0:15:51.293 --> 0:15:54.253 very very famous, well known. He and I become friends 0:15:54.293 --> 0:15:57.613 because we did neutral research on a topic, and so 0:15:57.653 --> 0:16:00.053 people reached out to him because the governments were not 0:16:00.093 --> 0:16:01.533 coming up with treatment protocols. 0:16:01.533 --> 0:16:03.173 They were just saying like stay. 0:16:02.893 --> 0:16:05.133 Home until your lips turned blue when you got to 0:16:05.173 --> 0:16:07.933 the hospital. They didn't do anything but like oxygen and 0:16:07.973 --> 0:16:11.613 mentally and Thailand all orgacito minifin. I mean, it was 0:16:11.773 --> 0:16:15.333 absolutely outrageous that no one was trying to treat this disease. 0:16:15.973 --> 0:16:18.413 And there are all these arguments, there's no studies to 0:16:18.453 --> 0:16:21.013 show you how to treat it, so basically do nothing. 0:16:21.373 --> 0:16:25.693 It was just brazenly absurd reasoning. And so we started 0:16:25.693 --> 0:16:28.133 to study various therapies and we came up with a 0:16:28.173 --> 0:16:32.933 hospital protocol and so some people, prominent people asked Paul 0:16:33.013 --> 0:16:36.813 to form a group to put out protocols. So we 0:16:36.893 --> 0:16:41.253 formed a nonprofit organization called the FLCCC Alliance, and we 0:16:41.373 --> 0:16:44.933 started to post protocols first in the hospital. We did 0:16:44.973 --> 0:16:47.853 not have an early treatment protocol for another six months. 0:16:48.093 --> 0:16:49.613 But what Paul did was very clever. 0:16:50.253 --> 0:16:53.693 We were following the data on various therapeutics you could 0:16:53.773 --> 0:16:57.253 use as now patient, and we'd had this chart and 0:16:57.293 --> 0:16:59.773 he would put like green, yellow, and red lights, you know, 0:16:59.813 --> 0:17:02.493 in terms of how much the evidence was showing support 0:17:03.173 --> 0:17:06.333 for various therapies, and iver mactin was always on that 0:17:06.453 --> 0:17:08.853 chart with a question mark because we'd heard some things 0:17:08.893 --> 0:17:11.173 that ivermectin may be effective, but we had no data, 0:17:11.213 --> 0:17:14.093 we had no science, no trials. And it was really 0:17:14.133 --> 0:17:17.133 October of twenty twenty, probably what is six seven months 0:17:17.133 --> 0:17:21.013 into the pandemic, when all of a sudden, a series 0:17:21.053 --> 0:17:24.893 of studies from various places around the world started coming 0:17:24.933 --> 0:17:29.373 out showing this incredible efficacy of ivermactin. I granted they 0:17:29.373 --> 0:17:32.973 were small studies, but there's nothing wrong with a small study, 0:17:32.973 --> 0:17:35.693 because what a small study can't do is it can't 0:17:35.733 --> 0:17:41.293 detect small benefits. But when a small study detects large benefits, 0:17:41.853 --> 0:17:44.413 you have a lot of difficulty explaining those ways. And 0:17:44.493 --> 0:17:46.893 so we were seeing these immense benefits come out from 0:17:46.893 --> 0:17:50.093 these studies, and Paul brought it to our attention in 0:17:50.133 --> 0:17:52.613 the group, and we put it into a protocol. We 0:17:52.653 --> 0:17:55.333 had an early treatment protocol. We added many other medicines, 0:17:55.973 --> 0:17:58.653 you know, subsequent to that. But that's really what happened. 0:17:58.693 --> 0:18:02.053 And when Paul, when those first few trials, Paul picked 0:18:02.093 --> 0:18:04.453 up on that signal, I said, I'm going to write 0:18:04.453 --> 0:18:08.053 a review paper on all of the emerging evidence of 0:18:08.053 --> 0:18:10.493 IBA in COVID. And it was a really hard paper 0:18:10.533 --> 0:18:14.173 to write. For one reason, laden is that every time 0:18:14.253 --> 0:18:16.933 I was about to finish it and uploaded to a 0:18:16.973 --> 0:18:20.933 preprint server or submitted to a journal, another study would 0:18:20.973 --> 0:18:24.453 come out. And it seemed like every week there was 0:18:24.493 --> 0:18:27.053 a new study. And I always make the joke that 0:18:27.093 --> 0:18:30.213 I had a reference manager for my manuscripts, which didn't 0:18:30.213 --> 0:18:34.613 work very well. So I was manually reordering my references and. 0:18:34.933 --> 0:18:38.933 Talked hours hours and hours and hours. But anyway, that's 0:18:39.013 --> 0:18:39.813 kind of the story. 0:18:40.573 --> 0:18:44.773 And I put out that paper in November of twenty twenty, 0:18:44.933 --> 0:18:48.733 and then Senator Ron Johnson, who was like me. He 0:18:48.853 --> 0:18:53.133 was similarly, you know, very kind of disappointed as a 0:18:53.133 --> 0:18:55.413 mild word. I mean, he was irate that the government 0:18:55.453 --> 0:18:59.333 was doing nothing to provide guidance on treatment, and so 0:18:59.373 --> 0:19:02.213 he held these hearings. I testified for the first time 0:19:02.253 --> 0:19:05.013 actually in May of twenty twenty on the critical need 0:19:05.093 --> 0:19:07.733 for cortico steroids in the hospital phase of the disease. 0:19:08.373 --> 0:19:10.893 And by the way, I did that at a time 0:19:10.933 --> 0:19:14.653 when every national and international healthcare organization around the world 0:19:14.733 --> 0:19:19.013 was recommending against cortico steroids. So I got into my 0:19:19.333 --> 0:19:22.613 first rodeo in COVID was cordico steroids because I got 0:19:22.693 --> 0:19:23.453 hammered for that. 0:19:23.773 --> 0:19:28.093 Right, just steroids or what exactly they are. 0:19:28.853 --> 0:19:33.853 There's a strong anti inflammatory ammino suppressants, so they suppressed inflammation. 0:19:33.973 --> 0:19:36.973 So the things like prednozone or hydro cortizone you might 0:19:37.013 --> 0:19:40.333 have heard of, or quarters and those are cordico steroids, 0:19:40.373 --> 0:19:43.733 and and everybody was saying don't use them, even though 0:19:43.733 --> 0:19:46.813 these patients were hyper inflaming. Then their lungs were actually 0:19:46.853 --> 0:19:48.933 failing from excessive inflammation. 0:19:49.053 --> 0:19:51.853 So it was not really a stretch to know that 0:19:51.933 --> 0:19:52.733 it was important. 0:19:52.933 --> 0:19:55.213 And we had a lot of scientific evidence from stars 0:19:55.253 --> 0:19:59.093 and mers, but yet everybody's recommending against it. And it 0:19:59.173 --> 0:20:02.093 was just bizarre because Paul and I are expert clinicians 0:20:02.093 --> 0:20:04.413 and we've been at the bedside trying to keep patients 0:20:04.413 --> 0:20:08.013 alive for you know, decades, Like we know stuff that works, 0:20:08.053 --> 0:20:10.813 we know it doesn't work, and we were using COVID 0:20:10.853 --> 0:20:11.613 to good effect. 0:20:12.293 --> 0:20:13.733 And so that was kind of the first thing. And 0:20:13.773 --> 0:20:16.373 and but I'll just say that first chapter. 0:20:17.173 --> 0:20:20.373 Although I was attacked viciously, even by my own university, 0:20:21.453 --> 0:20:25.213 within three months it became the standard of care worldwide. 0:20:25.773 --> 0:20:30.093 So people forget that my early, my early should I say, 0:20:30.173 --> 0:20:34.373 dissent in treatment of COVID was later validated. 0:20:34.933 --> 0:20:36.413 But when it got. 0:20:35.973 --> 0:20:38.453 Sorry, was it was it validated with recognition? 0:20:39.853 --> 0:20:40.133 Yeah? 0:20:40.173 --> 0:20:42.533 Well no, no, no, no, no no one ever said, hey, 0:20:42.573 --> 0:20:43.813 doctor Grace, sorry. 0:20:43.653 --> 0:20:44.733 We attacked you. 0:20:44.733 --> 0:20:46.693 No that that goes water under the bridge, no one, 0:20:46.733 --> 0:20:50.133 no one, No one ever apologizes. But I know that 0:20:50.173 --> 0:20:53.173 I was validated because what I had said earlier became 0:20:53.253 --> 0:20:56.973 the standard of care. But no, there's no public you know, 0:20:57.453 --> 0:21:00.333 championing or you get what I'm saying. 0:21:00.413 --> 0:21:01.013 Late, So. 0:21:02.653 --> 0:21:06.333 But then you know, the same thing happened with ivermactin 0:21:06.453 --> 0:21:10.453 is that we had this incredible sign The first patient 0:21:10.533 --> 0:21:14.413 I treated turned around overnight with ivermactin. And I was 0:21:14.453 --> 0:21:16.893 also talked to the doctors from various places around the 0:21:16.893 --> 0:21:19.373 world that they were just telling me these incredible benefits. 0:21:19.413 --> 0:21:22.733 I mean, nobody was dying in places they were using ivermactin. 0:21:23.053 --> 0:21:26.733 I talked to patients in South America and India, plus 0:21:26.773 --> 0:21:30.213 all of the studies showed the same thing. And then 0:21:30.253 --> 0:21:33.773 I got to testify again in Senator Johnston's hearing in 0:21:33.813 --> 0:21:37.173 December of twenty twenty, and that testimony went viral, and 0:21:37.213 --> 0:21:40.973 then ivermactin became a real issue. It became it was 0:21:40.973 --> 0:21:44.013 on the tongues of everybody. Everyone was considering it. 0:21:44.093 --> 0:21:47.493 But when I first testified, I listen. 0:21:47.533 --> 0:21:49.373 I didn't think I would get a ticker tape parade, 0:21:50.093 --> 0:21:53.413 but I thought people would appreciate that we'd identified this 0:21:53.813 --> 0:21:57.573 really positive data signal and they would incorporate it into 0:21:57.613 --> 0:22:00.533 their protocols and people would start to use it. But 0:22:00.613 --> 0:22:04.533 this is where my life changed, is that the opposite happened, 0:22:05.373 --> 0:22:08.733 and I was very confused. I really did know what 0:22:08.773 --> 0:22:14.213 was going on, but instead it was immediately attacked, dismissed. 0:22:14.693 --> 0:22:17.733 I was personally attacked Paul Marreck was personally attacked. Hit 0:22:17.853 --> 0:22:20.293 jobs showed up in the media, and I saw these 0:22:20.493 --> 0:22:25.653 blatant distortions and untruths being published by the major media 0:22:25.813 --> 0:22:29.653 organizations around the world. And they all had the same formula, 0:22:29.813 --> 0:22:34.733 same template, used similar quotes from pedigree doctors from these 0:22:35.333 --> 0:22:38.373 high fluting agencies and or universities. 0:22:39.053 --> 0:22:43.173 And it was to say, it was disappointing. It was 0:22:43.253 --> 0:22:44.813 really a kind of disorienting. 0:22:44.893 --> 0:22:47.453 Did the word corruption, did the word corruption? 0:22:47.613 --> 0:22:50.613 And not at not initially? 0:22:52.853 --> 0:22:54.893 No. And I'll tell you why I didn't leap to 0:22:54.933 --> 0:22:58.733 corruption initially. It is because there's this thing in medicine. 0:22:58.773 --> 0:23:00.813 I don't know if you're aware of it, but there's 0:23:00.853 --> 0:23:04.573 a field of medicine that actually was first originated in 0:23:04.573 --> 0:23:08.333 the early nineteen nineties, and it's called evidence based medicine. 0:23:09.533 --> 0:23:15.133 And it was this development where we as a field 0:23:15.533 --> 0:23:19.773 decided to really make sure that any treatments we used 0:23:20.373 --> 0:23:25.253 have sufficient evidence of safety and efficacy. And part of 0:23:25.253 --> 0:23:30.173 that field is assessing or assigning a quality of evidence 0:23:30.213 --> 0:23:31.253 to everything, and so. 0:23:32.253 --> 0:23:34.173 It's a very cautious type of thing. 0:23:34.413 --> 0:23:38.613 It's first member, do no harm, right, But also they 0:23:38.653 --> 0:23:40.813 just wanted to make sure that the way we treated 0:23:40.853 --> 0:23:45.213 diseases had scientific evidence to support them, and I believed 0:23:45.213 --> 0:23:48.173 in evidence based medicine how was practice, But I came 0:23:48.253 --> 0:23:52.613 to find out that evidence based medicine got corrupted and 0:23:52.693 --> 0:23:56.493 distorted from its original precepts. And so when it was 0:23:56.653 --> 0:23:59.773 when my first recommendations were not accepted, like I'd been 0:23:59.893 --> 0:24:02.933 used to that, I'd had evidence based medicine arguments with 0:24:03.053 --> 0:24:06.813 colleagues for a decade, because every time I said something worked, 0:24:07.013 --> 0:24:09.773 they were like, where's the random controlled trial to show that. 0:24:10.173 --> 0:24:12.573 There's this trial that shows this this trial that shows 0:24:12.613 --> 0:24:16.453