1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty exceptional marketing 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: for every property on. 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: The huddle with us this evening, we've got Jordan Williams 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: Taxpayers Union in Cane Thompson Government Relations consultant. How are 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: you too, I'm going to come back to this. I'm 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: going to come back to this and just attack. First 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 2: of all, though, do you think, Jordan that we are 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: going to end up with Jacinda and Ashley in the 9 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 2: stand giving public submissions? 10 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 3: Well, I hope. 11 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 4: So. 12 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 3: You look around the world and the equivalent inquiries have 13 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 3: potted under the litmus tests in a public hearing the 14 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 3: decision makers that frankly, they you know, it's difficult to 15 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 3: imagine sending people home to stay at home is pretty amazing. 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 3: It is incredible that we've not had that to date 17 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: and that the current inquiry had all that behind closed doors. Look, 18 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 3: even if there's nothing wrong, it is only right. I mean, 19 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 3: for example, look at what came out in Scotland and 20 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: in Britain in relation to the WhatsApp messages. We pride 21 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: ourselves on being on having trends experient government, and this 22 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 3: is of course we should understand what was going on 23 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: behind the scenes, and I think it's just extraordinary that 24 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: that wasn't the default. 25 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Kine, Are you there for that? I'm there 26 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: for that. 27 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 4: Am I there for having people up on the stand? 28 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 4: I don't know. 29 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: You don't want you don't want the decision makers to 30 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: answer some questions about sending you home. 31 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 4: I think if we had the decision makers on the stand, 32 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 4: and there's a whole lot of people besides the iconic 33 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 4: view that we would all point to and say that 34 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 4: they should be on the stand. But if you go 35 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 4: back and think about the shape of the current Royal 36 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 4: Commission of Inquiry, Yes, the the scope is new, but 37 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 4: I think we've got kind of swung the other way 38 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 4: around where we've gone, Okay, we're going to have a 39 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: huge public trial to hear all the concerns that people have, 40 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 4: which we know from a certain demographic, is going to 41 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: be putting people on trial for their views that the vaccine. 42 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: Calls the country has that happy. 43 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 4: Yes it does, Yes it does, Yes it does. That's 44 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 4: what we're responding to. I think there's a middle ground here, 45 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 4: which is, yes, there needs to be accountability, Yes, there 46 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 4: needs to be transparency. I think the lessons that we 47 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 4: can learn were the systems that were put in place 48 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 4: at the time to provide the oversight necessary for the 49 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 4: public's assurance, were they right? I think that's the question 50 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 4: that needs to be answered. That the one I would 51 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 4: be interested in. 52 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: COVID has done more to drive both both polarization and 53 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: reduced trust and institutions in New Zealand. To say that 54 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: that the will suggest that this sort of inquiry should 55 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: be behind closed doors, how does that address those questions. 56 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 4: I'm not suggesting it should be behind closed doors, and 57 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 4: I don't think COVID is the problem. I think what 58 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 4: is responded to, how we've responded to COVID has been 59 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 4: the problem. The fact that it's sitting behind closed doors, 60 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 4: I think is being addressed by the second round of 61 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 4: the inquiry. But we shouldn't be looking for something that 62 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 4: provides us with the opportunity to put people on trial. 63 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 4: That's not the objective. The objective is to make sure 64 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 4: that in future, when these situations arrive, that we're better 65 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 4: equipped to be no. No, no, no, no, no no no. 66 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 4: And I agree it's going to be. 67 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: About the next pandemic. What I want is answers about 68 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: what was done to this country. I think we deserve them, Okain. 69 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 4: I am here. I'm taking account of you here. You know, 70 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 4: like I think there is a degree of accountability and 71 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 4: transparency in the process. That's the fight. I've said that before. 72 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 4: I just don't know that braying over a trial is 73 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 4: the right way to go about. 74 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: Love. 75 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: Do you love just and Nanna? You're scared of what's 76 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: going to happen to her. 77 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 4: I'm not scared of what's going to happen to anyone. 78 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 4: I think if anyone gets into public office, they have 79 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 4: to be a counsel and they have to be transparent. 80 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 4: All right, I'm okay with that part. But I think 81 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: that there's a whole system that sits behind us. It 82 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 4: can't just be yes. 83 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: But there's always one there's always one boss Kine who 84 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: makes the call, and that boss is going to have 85 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: to wear it. Will take a quick back, can come back. 86 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: We're definite gonna talk about the three strikes the. 87 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach and results. 88 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: On the huddle with me, We've got Can Thompson, Jordan 89 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: Williams right, Jordan. The three streakes is three strikes law, 90 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: needs beefing up, doesn't it. 91 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Firstly, let me just make clear. I think I 92 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: worked with Nicole McKee prior to before she was before 93 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: she was famous. I think Nicole is one of the 94 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: most remarkable New Zealander is one of the most remarkable MPs. 95 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: I am sad to say Nicole has been totally captured 96 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: by officials on this matter. It is so bad. This 97 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: three strikes two point zero. It is so bad the 98 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: Sensible Sentencing Trust. The guys that were behind the first 99 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: round are literally reforming the band or a fundraising to 100 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: sort of reform their group in order to oppose this law. 101 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: It is so bad. I thought that it was extraordinary 102 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 3: that Nicole said that. You know, but the good thing 103 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: is this won't be repealed by Labor. 104 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 4: Well. 105 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: No, your job is to get good law across the mind. 106 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: It is to protect us from from absolute thugs, these recidivus. 107 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: I mean, you've got you reading out the profile earlier. 108 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: It's extraordinary. That's your job, not measure it well. Labour 109 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: thinks this is okay, because I thought, because. 110 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: If Labour thinks it's okay, it's probably not. 111 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 3: That is just extraordinary. The other thing I mean I've look, 112 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: I'm not bring any sex. Secretly, I've had an a 113 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: call up about this and she said yes. But the 114 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: advice I'm getting is that it's retrospective. And we can't 115 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: mean to think that they're not even going to count 116 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: the strikes under the last regime. They're going to reset 117 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: everyone absolutely nuts. Look, she needs to get external legal advice. 118 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 3: It does not take the brains of Britain to realize 119 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 3: this is not retrospective. It is simply sentencing policy for 120 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: offenses that haven't yet been committed. Too, right, it is 121 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: not retrospective. 122 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: Caine, what do you. 123 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 4: Think, Well, surprise, surprise, I'm going to agree with you 124 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 4: if you want to pass the law with regardless of 125 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 4: whether I agree with it or not, or anyone agrees 126 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 4: with whether or not. If you're passing law, pass the 127 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 4: law you want to pass. This doesn't feel like it's 128 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: the law they want to pass. And I think that 129 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 4: the argument that some would make that it's retroactive, well, look, 130 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,559 Speaker 4: plenty of law can be retroactive if you think about 131 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 4: the way that it's applied. I think that Jordan's probably 132 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 4: right again that their offessionals have captured the view here 133 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 4: of the minister. Yeah, yeah, that's sorry the other way around. 134 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: But I'm not necessarily saying I agree with the law. 135 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 4: But if you're going to pass the law, make the 136 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 4: law work. To say that it's going to withstand the 137 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 4: scrutiny of a subsequent government, I think is weak source 138 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 4: to be honest. 139 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: Are too right? Hey Kane, what do you think of 140 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 2: Juliana Sane walking for you? 141 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 4: Finally, I don't know if I care hither. I think 142 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 4: like it's a it was a huge deal what twenty 143 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 4: years ago. Yes, it's taken on a life of its own. 144 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 4: I mean, yes, he annoyed the government of the United 145 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 4: States of America. Mike Pence has already said it to 146 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 4: this Garage of Justice and all the rest of it. 147 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 4: But you know, like we're twenty years on, I'm not 148 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: sure I care. 149 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you reckon? 150 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: Jordan? I'm really torn on this matter. He exposed the 151 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: UIs government for clearly illegal and highly unethical, disgraceful behavior. 152 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 3: On the other hand, the allegation that he was begged 153 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: for stuff to be redacted that put lives in danger 154 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: and he chose not to points to him being evil too. 155 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: But you just can't tell what is sinister from the 156 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: UIs government because very clearly has been law fear against him. Yeah, 157 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 3: I really struggle to figure out who the hero is here. 158 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: For his own sake, Like it's got this outright, Kane, 159 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: because at least he's going to get some sunlight and 160 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: proper food. I mean, he's not looking at me. 161 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: It's the text was your needs were looking for an 162 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: investigator at the moment, are you? I mean he's probably 163 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: would he be employable? 164 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: Actually, maybe you can come join our police for us. 165 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: To be if you'd spend your good characteristic And I 166 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 4: also think his techniques might be a little old. Yeah, 167 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 4: as anyone's surprised that the United States government has been 168 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 4: up to up to f words on this. You know, 169 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 4: I was told I couldn't use some words on the 170 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 4: show tonight that story. Yeah, but you know, so he's 171 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: had his twenty years and in a situation where he 172 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: had his rights constrained. Regardless of how that was played out, 173 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 4: whether it was in an embassy he couldn't get out of, 174 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 4: whether it was in Belmarsh pregnant, where it was, wherever 175 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 4: it was, he's paid his price. 176 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree. Hey, guys, thank you We're 177 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: going to leave the next one because I'm terrified that 178 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: Jordan's going to say all the bad words out loud. Jordan, Williams, 179 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: Kane Thompson a huddle this 180 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: Evening For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live 181 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: to news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or 182 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.