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Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast for June twenty six, twenty twenty four. Regretfully,

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Speaker 2: I'm not able to offer a fresh podcast, so we're

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Speaker 2: replacing it with one of the best from the archives.

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Speaker 2: Undeciding which episode, I received an email that made a

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Speaker 2: suggestion referring to episode twenty one. That was the first

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Speaker 2: interview that I did with Professor Timball. The author thought

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Speaker 2: it was the best. However, three months later, on the

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Speaker 2: eleventh of September, we did a second Timball interview on

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Speaker 2: the politics behind climate change, which started with an announcement

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Speaker 2: on the Man versus Ball court case. I've listened to

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Speaker 2: some of it again and it really is worth another airring.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting also to keep in mind that this

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Speaker 2: is pre COVID. This is September eleven of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: I think of the way the world has changed since then. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy and hopefully we'll be back with

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Speaker 2: a full podcast next week. Just keep in mind that

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Speaker 2: this is all dated material and you must take that

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Speaker 2: into account. Now. It was a few weeks ago. In fact,

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Speaker 2: it was it was number twenty one podcast where we

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Speaker 2: spent the entire podcast talking to doctor Tim Ball, climatologist

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Speaker 2: from Canada, and we arranged that we would have a

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Speaker 2: in the year, but events have turned and the coincidence

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Speaker 2: days unknowingly, two days before the Supreme Court in Canada

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Speaker 2: announced the result of the court case between where Michael

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Speaker 2: Mann was suing Timbull, and the result was doctor Timbull won. Well, yes,

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Speaker 2: so that's all right, So tell me how you're feeling.

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Speaker 3: Well, I did not expect this outcome. I've dealt with

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Speaker 3: the you know, the illegal system, and this is what

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Speaker 3: happened in my case. I had I had three lawsuits,

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Speaker 3: the IPCC. So I thought that somebody would get to

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Speaker 3: the legal system. So there's that that part of it.

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Speaker 3: Of course, then, because I didn't expect the result that

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Speaker 3: so the challenge now for me is to get that

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Speaker 3: out to the world and explain to the world, partly

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Speaker 3: as we did in the last program, who did it,

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Speaker 3: why did they do it, and how did they do it?

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Speaker 2: Well, let us get onto that shortly. I'm I'm, I

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Speaker 2: and there's been a couple of examples of why why

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Speaker 3: Well. The other one was actually the first one. And

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Speaker 3: Now in Britain, for example, about a year ago, they

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Speaker 2: How long How long has he got to do that?

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Speaker 3: Well, there's there's really no time limit on it. That's

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Speaker 2: Well, I've noticed that I noticed that some people have

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Speaker 3: and my lawyers we've already discussed this. We can go

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Speaker 2: Okay, But Michael Mann is an American in America. What

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Speaker 3: Well, that's going to be the major part of it. Now.

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Speaker 3: Well, the court ruling specifically doesn't say it, but it

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Speaker 3: And so basically what it was saying was, Michael Mann

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Speaker 3: it's not scientifically accurate. And so that's essentially what the

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Speaker 3: so therefore scientifically that also applies.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's fabulous. But the sadness is, of

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Speaker 2: course that this could roll on. It'll be very interesting

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Speaker 2: would hope that he will, shall we say, discontinue. Now

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Speaker 2: there's one other thing. Very quickly. You were very recently

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Speaker 3: This was by the Heartland Institute, which is based in Chicago,

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Speaker 3: That of course is a distort science in completely unacceptable ways.

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Speaker 2: I finally got round to listening to the Tim Ball special.

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Speaker 2: the excellent David Shelley interview, I will order Tim Ball's

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Speaker 2: Human Caused Global Warming Scam pocketbook for my kindle, So

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Speaker 2: well done. What you discussed with Timball next, the politics

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Speaker 3: In short, Well, the answer is that this was a

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Speaker 3: a political agenda. Well, that's the way that you can

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00:28:05,853 --> 00:28:09,813
Speaker 3: control people. And of course the argument I think Margaret

434
00:28:09,853 --> 00:28:14,093
Speaker 3: me the great anthropologist, once said, it's not surprising that

435
00:28:14,453 --> 00:28:17,893
Speaker 3: a small group of people do this. It's always been

436
00:28:17,933 --> 00:28:20,293
Speaker 3: small groups of people that are at the center of

437
00:28:20,333 --> 00:28:25,733
Speaker 3: any particular major change in the world. And it is

438
00:28:25,773 --> 00:28:29,733
Speaker 3: not large groups or organizations. I mean, when you narrow

439
00:28:29,773 --> 00:28:32,693
Speaker 3: it down in the case of the climacying, it's only

440
00:28:32,693 --> 00:28:35,893
Speaker 3: about six or seven people, most of them dased at

441
00:28:35,893 --> 00:28:38,933
Speaker 3: the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia

442
00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:42,093
Speaker 3: under Phil Jones and Tom Wigley.

443
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Speaker 2: People are going to struggle with that answer on the

444
00:28:48,693 --> 00:28:56,053
Speaker 2: basis that it's now we're led to believe worldwide and

445
00:28:56,213 --> 00:28:59,173
Speaker 2: massively believed because we were all aware of the ninety

446
00:28:59,173 --> 00:29:02,573
Speaker 2: seven percent, and what a calm that is but nevertheless,

447
00:29:02,573 --> 00:29:05,653
Speaker 2: it gets trotted out every single time there's an interview

448
00:29:05,653 --> 00:29:09,613
Speaker 2: with somebody who wants to put down skeptics.

449
00:29:10,253 --> 00:29:14,013
Speaker 3: Well, the answer the answer to that is that, yeah,

450
00:29:14,933 --> 00:29:20,493
Speaker 3: that's the case. And even when enough of people of

451
00:29:20,653 --> 00:29:24,173
Speaker 3: influence start to realize what's going on, there will still

452
00:29:24,213 --> 00:29:26,973
Speaker 3: be fifty sixty percent of the world that will believe it.

453
00:29:27,733 --> 00:29:30,533
Speaker 3: I mean, there are people out there that still believe

454
00:29:30,573 --> 00:29:32,853
Speaker 3: the earth is flat. I haven't.

455
00:29:32,893 --> 00:29:36,173
Speaker 2: I haven't bumped into any I have, really I have.

456
00:29:37,533 --> 00:29:40,733
Speaker 3: I have, and by the way, I have a tendency

457
00:29:40,733 --> 00:29:43,093
Speaker 3: you do agree with them, because if the world was flat,

458
00:29:43,133 --> 00:29:48,453
Speaker 3: we could push the idiots off the edge. But no,

459
00:29:48,533 --> 00:29:52,093
Speaker 3: I mean, this is always the way with new paradigms,

460
00:29:52,133 --> 00:29:54,773
Speaker 3: that there's new ways of looking and thinking about the world,

461
00:29:55,373 --> 00:29:57,733
Speaker 3: and there's always a group of people that will hang

462
00:29:57,813 --> 00:30:02,933
Speaker 3: on and resist, usually about twenty percent. There's also, by

463
00:30:02,973 --> 00:30:05,573
Speaker 3: the way, about twenty percent who grabbed the idea very

464
00:30:05,653 --> 00:30:10,013
Speaker 3: quickly because they see both political and financial reward in it.

465
00:30:10,573 --> 00:30:15,133
Speaker 3: So and then you get the other sixty percent saying, well, yeah,

466
00:30:15,173 --> 00:30:19,293
Speaker 3: it sounds reasonable, but I'm not sure I fully understand it,

467
00:30:19,333 --> 00:30:21,493
Speaker 3: so I'm not going to commit to it. That's where

468
00:30:21,533 --> 00:30:24,093
Speaker 3: we are with the climate change issue right now, all.

469
00:30:24,053 --> 00:30:29,013
Speaker 2: Right point four science and political structures and procedures were

470
00:30:29,013 --> 00:30:31,693
Speaker 2: put in place to enhance the deception. I think you've

471
00:30:32,173 --> 00:30:34,093
Speaker 2: covered some of that. Anything else you want to add

472
00:30:34,093 --> 00:30:35,533
Speaker 2: to it, well, it just.

473
00:30:36,013 --> 00:30:40,733
Speaker 3: That it was the first time that the United Nations

474
00:30:40,773 --> 00:30:46,973
Speaker 3: had been deliberately used to bring in a global policy. This,

475
00:30:46,973 --> 00:30:52,293
Speaker 3: this is the evil genius of Boris Strong. The guy.

476
00:30:52,413 --> 00:30:57,453
Speaker 3: The guy was absolutely incredible, a genius, but an evil

477
00:30:57,493 --> 00:31:00,933
Speaker 3: genius nonetheless, I mean in what he was able to

478
00:31:00,973 --> 00:31:03,853
Speaker 3: do and how he was able to organize the fact

479
00:31:03,933 --> 00:31:08,213
Speaker 3: that you know when Elaine Doer said to him, well,

480
00:31:08,373 --> 00:31:10,493
Speaker 3: you know, that's a pretty big idea about getting rid

481
00:31:10,533 --> 00:31:13,853
Speaker 3: of the industrialized nations. And she said, well, are you

482
00:31:13,853 --> 00:31:16,533
Speaker 3: going to run for politics? And he said, no, you

483
00:31:16,533 --> 00:31:19,453
Speaker 3: can't do anything as a politician. She said, well, what

484
00:31:19,493 --> 00:31:20,733
Speaker 3: are you going to do? He said, I'm going to

485
00:31:20,733 --> 00:31:22,453
Speaker 3: go to the United Nations, where I can get all

486
00:31:22,493 --> 00:31:24,453
Speaker 3: the money I want to whatever I want and not

487
00:31:24,533 --> 00:31:27,813
Speaker 3: be accountable to anybody. And that's exactly what he did.

488
00:31:28,813 --> 00:31:30,773
Speaker 3: He went to the UN and set up the United

489
00:31:30,853 --> 00:31:34,933
Speaker 3: Nations Environment Program, and he created Agenda twenty one, and

490
00:31:34,973 --> 00:31:38,493
Speaker 3: he created and he chaired the nineteen ninety two Real

491
00:31:38,653 --> 00:31:41,333
Speaker 3: Conference at which all of this stuff was brought onto

492
00:31:41,373 --> 00:31:44,533
Speaker 3: the world stage, and that was done by Mars Strong alone.

493
00:31:45,053 --> 00:31:46,013
Speaker 3: It's absolutely criticle.

494
00:31:46,133 --> 00:31:49,813
Speaker 2: I know somebody who has, shall we say, very strong

495
00:31:49,853 --> 00:31:54,973
Speaker 2: connections with the UN who says that Maurice Strong's reputation,

496
00:31:55,213 --> 00:32:00,693
Speaker 2: as you've just described it is overrated to the NS degree.

497
00:32:01,933 --> 00:32:05,573
Speaker 3: I wouldn't disagree with that being overrated. But who was

498
00:32:05,613 --> 00:32:07,333
Speaker 3: the one that was got it overrated?

499
00:32:07,333 --> 00:32:11,773
Speaker 2: It was Mars Strong, but he meant the influence that

500
00:32:11,853 --> 00:32:13,333
Speaker 2: he had was overrated.

501
00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:18,773
Speaker 3: Oh it may be within the UN itself, but then

502
00:32:18,853 --> 00:32:20,693
Speaker 3: how much influence does the u N had on the

503
00:32:20,733 --> 00:32:26,893
Speaker 3: world with anything? The u N is just another bureaucratic

504
00:32:27,133 --> 00:32:31,413
Speaker 3: uh retirement home. The UN dos all sorts of things,

505
00:32:31,493 --> 00:32:35,493
Speaker 3: but it hardly affects anybody anywhere except those people that

506
00:32:35,613 --> 00:32:37,333
Speaker 3: want to exploit it and make a whole lot of

507
00:32:37,373 --> 00:32:37,853
Speaker 3: money out of it.

508
00:32:37,853 --> 00:32:40,733
Speaker 2: All right, Number five, His actions were taken to block

509
00:32:40,893 --> 00:32:42,093
Speaker 2: or divert challenges.

510
00:32:44,933 --> 00:32:48,853
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well, of course, if you're going to create something,

511
00:32:49,813 --> 00:32:53,413
Speaker 3: you've got to anticipate what the challenges to it are

512
00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:57,173
Speaker 3: going to be. And of course, the way that Maurice

513
00:32:57,253 --> 00:33:00,933
Speaker 3: Strong did that was when he set up the Intergovernmental

514
00:33:00,973 --> 00:33:04,133
Speaker 3: Panel on Climate Change. He did it through the World

515
00:33:04,213 --> 00:33:08,093
Speaker 3: Meteorological Organization, which is a UN agency made up of

516
00:33:08,133 --> 00:33:12,453
Speaker 3: all the weather offices across the world. Each each weather

517
00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:16,093
Speaker 3: office sends a bunch of bureaucrats to Geneva and they

518
00:33:16,213 --> 00:33:21,893
Speaker 3: determine policy for the world. And so they then go

519
00:33:22,013 --> 00:33:25,053
Speaker 3: back to their individual countries. And you look at each

520
00:33:25,133 --> 00:33:29,253
Speaker 3: country like the ukmo Or, you look at Noah, you

521
00:33:29,293 --> 00:33:33,813
Speaker 3: look at environment Canada. These are the people, the bureaucrats

522
00:33:34,133 --> 00:33:37,093
Speaker 3: that set all of the energy and environment policy for

523
00:33:37,613 --> 00:33:41,493
Speaker 3: each nation. So the politician is not in control of

524
00:33:41,533 --> 00:33:44,293
Speaker 3: this at all. And of course any politician that tries

525
00:33:44,373 --> 00:33:47,773
Speaker 3: to interfere is immediately challenged and said, well what do

526
00:33:47,813 --> 00:33:51,373
Speaker 3: you know about the science of this? And I watched

527
00:33:51,373 --> 00:33:56,173
Speaker 3: that in Australia when we challenged the Australian Bureau of Meteorology,

528
00:33:56,213 --> 00:33:59,373
Speaker 3: and we I mean Malcolm Roberts, who became a senator

529
00:33:59,373 --> 00:34:02,573
Speaker 3: in order to challenge this. But this is this is

530
00:34:02,613 --> 00:34:05,533
Speaker 3: something that Strong did deliberately. He put all of the

531
00:34:05,533 --> 00:34:08,773
Speaker 3: control of it in the hands of the bureaucrats the state.

532
00:34:08,893 --> 00:34:12,933
Speaker 3: This is this is the original Fate news story created

533
00:34:13,013 --> 00:34:16,453
Speaker 3: and perpetuated by by the deep state off the bureaucrats.

534
00:34:17,133 --> 00:34:20,413
Speaker 2: Number six. The people's natural fear is and this is

535
00:34:20,573 --> 00:34:24,293
Speaker 2: easily understood, the people's natural fee is about change and catastrophe.

536
00:34:24,893 --> 00:34:29,213
Speaker 2: We're exploited. Now this unquestionably involves the media.

537
00:34:31,973 --> 00:34:36,213
Speaker 3: Yes, and and and of course you know, the whole

538
00:34:36,253 --> 00:34:41,133
Speaker 3: idea about change, change is normal. The only thing that

539
00:34:41,173 --> 00:34:44,733
Speaker 3: it is normal about change and that it always occurs.

540
00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:51,613
Speaker 3: But in the in this uh environmental, this new environmental paradigm,

541
00:34:51,853 --> 00:34:55,293
Speaker 3: the whole idea has been created that, uh, there are

542
00:34:55,493 --> 00:35:00,453
Speaker 3: changes that are occurring faster than ever or more dramatically

543
00:35:00,573 --> 00:35:03,813
Speaker 3: than ever, and therefore they can't be natural. Therefore there's

544
00:35:03,853 --> 00:35:07,533
Speaker 3: something that humans are doing. So the whole whole idea

545
00:35:07,853 --> 00:35:11,493
Speaker 3: is that you use this and say, look all you're doing,

546
00:35:11,613 --> 00:35:16,173
Speaker 3: industry development, all of these things are are are destroying

547
00:35:16,213 --> 00:35:19,053
Speaker 3: the planet and humans are to blame, and therefore we've

548
00:35:19,093 --> 00:35:22,373
Speaker 3: got to deal with it. And it's it's utter nonsense,

549
00:35:22,973 --> 00:35:25,093
Speaker 3: utter nonsense. I mean, you look at the amount of

550
00:35:25,173 --> 00:35:31,093
Speaker 3: energy that that humans produce against one thunderstorm. It's just

551
00:35:31,373 --> 00:35:35,693
Speaker 3: it's flappable. But but this idea that the change is

552
00:35:35,733 --> 00:35:40,453
Speaker 3: more drab, dramatic than ever before is central to selling

553
00:35:40,493 --> 00:35:43,653
Speaker 3: the idea that we this is, this is what humans

554
00:35:43,653 --> 00:35:46,853
Speaker 3: are doing, and therefore we've got to stop it. Of course,

555
00:35:46,893 --> 00:35:52,053
Speaker 3: it begs the question, Uh, well if if, if change

556
00:35:52,093 --> 00:35:55,293
Speaker 3: is more rapid than because of humans, well does that

557
00:35:55,373 --> 00:35:58,773
Speaker 3: say that humans are not natural? See, this is the

558
00:35:58,853 --> 00:36:03,773
Speaker 3: question they always ignore. If humans do it automatically, it's wrong. Well,

559
00:36:03,773 --> 00:36:06,453
Speaker 3: why aren't we like all the other animals? You're telling

560
00:36:06,493 --> 00:36:09,053
Speaker 3: me that Darwin says we're like all the other animals.

561
00:36:09,253 --> 00:36:12,333
Speaker 3: You can't have it both ways. This is a philosophical

562
00:36:12,373 --> 00:36:16,333
Speaker 3: contradiction in all of this environmental movement that nobody wants

563
00:36:16,373 --> 00:36:18,653
Speaker 3: to talk about, and certainly the world's not ready for

564
00:36:18,693 --> 00:36:19,973
Speaker 3: this discussion at this point.

565
00:36:20,133 --> 00:36:22,213
Speaker 2: Is while I think of it, let me let me

566
00:36:22,453 --> 00:36:27,373
Speaker 2: just go back to that population issue. In the size

567
00:36:27,373 --> 00:36:29,893
Speaker 2: of the population I got I got another email from

568
00:36:29,933 --> 00:36:32,213
Speaker 2: somebody and I and I haven't checked this out, and

569
00:36:32,253 --> 00:36:34,573
Speaker 2: I'm not good at maths. But this is this is

570
00:36:34,613 --> 00:36:36,413
Speaker 2: off the top of my head because I haven't got

571
00:36:36,413 --> 00:36:39,293
Speaker 2: it in front of me. But the author of this

572
00:36:39,413 --> 00:36:46,293
Speaker 2: email said he did some did some work, some mathematical work.

573
00:36:46,733 --> 00:36:49,573
Speaker 2: The math was never my best subject, and said that

574
00:36:50,173 --> 00:36:54,973
Speaker 2: if if you put if you built boxes, in other words,

575
00:36:55,013 --> 00:36:59,493
Speaker 2: coffins that were six feet long, because I still work

576
00:36:59,493 --> 00:37:02,933
Speaker 2: in feet and inches. Six feet long point well point

577
00:37:02,933 --> 00:37:05,973
Speaker 2: four of a meter wide, So now I'm confusing everybody

578
00:37:06,333 --> 00:37:08,693
Speaker 2: point four of a meter wide. And then the depth

579
00:37:08,773 --> 00:37:11,973
Speaker 2: of them was whatever, whatever it was, but it was

580
00:37:12,053 --> 00:37:15,853
Speaker 2: it was the least of all. And you and you

581
00:37:16,013 --> 00:37:20,173
Speaker 2: put everybody in the world in one of those boxes.

582
00:37:21,013 --> 00:37:23,293
Speaker 2: And there was a lot more detail to this, but

583
00:37:23,453 --> 00:37:26,573
Speaker 2: to cut to the quick, it would fill up about

584
00:37:26,693 --> 00:37:29,573
Speaker 2: half of air's rock in Australia.

585
00:37:30,373 --> 00:37:30,613
Speaker 3: Yep.

586
00:37:32,173 --> 00:37:37,053
Speaker 2: And if he's if he's right, that's just extraordinary because

587
00:37:37,093 --> 00:37:43,133
Speaker 2: it it restricts, it puts it into perspective the effect

588
00:37:43,173 --> 00:37:46,013
Speaker 2: of the number of people on the planet exactly.

589
00:37:46,493 --> 00:37:50,933
Speaker 3: And of course this is the people. How can I

590
00:37:50,973 --> 00:37:54,133
Speaker 3: explain this? People go where all the people are and

591
00:37:54,173 --> 00:37:57,653
Speaker 3: then complain about all the people. You know, people say

592
00:37:57,693 --> 00:38:03,293
Speaker 3: they like isolation, Well you can about almost ninety percent

593
00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:06,893
Speaker 3: of the world is unoccupied. You look at Canada, the

594
00:38:06,933 --> 00:38:09,493
Speaker 3: second largest country in the world world with the same

595
00:38:09,533 --> 00:38:15,453
Speaker 3: population as California. And I remember we're doing churches in

596
00:38:15,493 --> 00:38:18,653
Speaker 3: the north and having Americans along and I said, look,

597
00:38:18,653 --> 00:38:21,013
Speaker 3: we're gonna fly and I showed them the line on

598
00:38:21,053 --> 00:38:24,373
Speaker 3: the map. We're going to fly about eight hundred miles

599
00:38:24,933 --> 00:38:27,693
Speaker 3: and you're not going to see a village or road, nothing,

600
00:38:28,493 --> 00:38:30,893
Speaker 3: And they couldn't believe it. They couldn't believe that that

601
00:38:30,973 --> 00:38:35,053
Speaker 3: there's that much of the world that's unoccupied. So now

602
00:38:35,173 --> 00:38:38,013
Speaker 3: the other thing is that if you took all the

603
00:38:38,053 --> 00:38:41,773
Speaker 3: population of the world and had them standing within within

604
00:38:41,853 --> 00:38:45,733
Speaker 3: a one square yard area, the whole world's population would

605
00:38:45,733 --> 00:38:49,213
Speaker 3: fit onto the Isle of Wight. But you see this,

606
00:38:50,173 --> 00:38:51,893
Speaker 3: think back to what I said to you about what

607
00:38:52,573 --> 00:38:56,293
Speaker 3: Murray Strong did. What was the Club of Rome argument, Oh,

608
00:38:56,333 --> 00:39:00,613
Speaker 3: the world's overpopulated. And people will say to me, well, okay,

609
00:39:00,693 --> 00:39:04,213
Speaker 3: I buy you that were not causing global warming or

610
00:39:04,253 --> 00:39:10,173
Speaker 3: climate change, but the world's still overpopulated. That underlies the

611
00:39:10,253 --> 00:39:14,093
Speaker 3: theme of all of this, and it's completely false. It's

612
00:39:14,173 --> 00:39:18,613
Speaker 3: completely false. Right now, you can argue that. And by

613
00:39:18,653 --> 00:39:21,493
Speaker 3: the way, the places in the world with the highest

614
00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:25,693
Speaker 3: population density also happen to have the higher standard of living,

615
00:39:26,093 --> 00:39:28,973
Speaker 3: so you go to the Netherlands, for example, and parts

616
00:39:29,013 --> 00:39:35,453
Speaker 3: of Europe, so it's completely contradictory. So, but the overpopulation

617
00:39:35,653 --> 00:39:40,013
Speaker 3: issue is the one thing that people fear. They don't

618
00:39:40,013 --> 00:39:42,653
Speaker 3: want too many people around. They think that, so it's

619
00:39:42,693 --> 00:39:45,733
Speaker 3: easy to sell it. So that's why it's central to

620
00:39:45,813 --> 00:39:49,853
Speaker 3: this whole theme of the global warming issue, the overpopulation.

621
00:39:50,573 --> 00:39:53,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, number seven, this one speaks for itself. We can

622
00:39:54,013 --> 00:39:56,013
Speaker 2: move on. I think after I read this, the public's

623
00:39:56,093 --> 00:39:59,253
Speaker 2: lack of scientific understanding, especially with regard to climate science,

624
00:39:59,853 --> 00:40:03,693
Speaker 2: was exploited. Or did I read that before Anyway, the

625
00:40:03,693 --> 00:40:06,893
Speaker 2: point being the pil I don't think it needs any comment,

626
00:40:06,973 --> 00:40:08,173
Speaker 2: doesn't well? It?

627
00:40:08,373 --> 00:40:11,973
Speaker 3: Yes, And the comment that it needs is that, And

628
00:40:13,053 --> 00:40:15,093
Speaker 3: I'm going to make a generalization, and I make no

629
00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:18,453
Speaker 3: apologies for that, because one of the worst things we've

630
00:40:18,493 --> 00:40:21,973
Speaker 3: done is to say that it specializes the mark of genius,

631
00:40:21,973 --> 00:40:24,373
Speaker 3: and to generalize is the mark of a fool. The

632
00:40:24,413 --> 00:40:27,613
Speaker 3: reality is that you have to generalize, and you must

633
00:40:27,653 --> 00:40:31,333
Speaker 3: generalize on generalities. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule.

634
00:40:31,613 --> 00:40:38,293
Speaker 3: That was always the case. But the sorry, what your

635
00:40:38,413 --> 00:40:39,533
Speaker 3: question was about.

636
00:40:39,253 --> 00:40:42,093
Speaker 2: The lack of scientific understanding?

637
00:40:42,293 --> 00:40:45,773
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, okay. If we take the world population, and

638
00:40:45,853 --> 00:40:49,493
Speaker 3: I know this because I taught a science credit for

639
00:40:49,653 --> 00:40:54,853
Speaker 3: art students, Okay, so I am very familiar with the challenge.

640
00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:58,373
Speaker 3: You take any population anywhere in the world, and it

641
00:40:58,413 --> 00:41:01,693
Speaker 3: does vary a little bit from country to country. For example,

642
00:41:01,773 --> 00:41:05,453
Speaker 3: Finland has a higher percentage of people that are are

643
00:41:05,493 --> 00:41:09,453
Speaker 3: are competent in mathematics than most of the but it's

644
00:41:09,493 --> 00:41:13,253
Speaker 3: only like one or two percent more. But in virtually

645
00:41:13,293 --> 00:41:17,453
Speaker 3: every country in the world the ratio is about fifteen

646
00:41:17,573 --> 00:41:21,813
Speaker 3: percent that are capable of doing mathematics and science and

647
00:41:21,893 --> 00:41:26,973
Speaker 3: about eighty five percent that simply can't deal with a

648
00:41:27,093 --> 00:41:30,413
Speaker 3: number at all. So you go to any university, eighty

649
00:41:30,453 --> 00:41:33,333
Speaker 3: percent of the students are our art students and twenty

650
00:41:33,413 --> 00:41:37,253
Speaker 3: percent are science students at the best. And that's true

651
00:41:37,333 --> 00:41:40,893
Speaker 3: across the world. So of course, and this is when

652
00:41:40,933 --> 00:41:45,053
Speaker 3: I was on the committee that was advising Trump what

653
00:41:45,213 --> 00:41:48,573
Speaker 3: to do about the climate change issue. And I said

654
00:41:48,613 --> 00:41:52,373
Speaker 3: to them and to tell him, look, we can show

655
00:41:52,413 --> 00:41:54,853
Speaker 3: you the facts that show that the science of climate

656
00:41:54,933 --> 00:41:58,013
Speaker 3: change is wrong, and you can get up there and

657
00:41:58,053 --> 00:42:00,853
Speaker 3: say that. But the minute you're asked a question about

658
00:42:00,853 --> 00:42:03,933
Speaker 3: the science, you'll fall apart. They'll make you look stupid

659
00:42:03,973 --> 00:42:06,893
Speaker 3: so fast to make your head spin. So what you

660
00:42:07,013 --> 00:42:11,213
Speaker 3: do is you go and say, look, the Parish Climate

661
00:42:11,253 --> 00:42:14,853
Speaker 3: agreement is a rotten deal, and here's why. And of

662
00:42:14,853 --> 00:42:17,933
Speaker 3: course you're the guy that your whole shtick is bad deals.

663
00:42:18,213 --> 00:42:21,573
Speaker 3: That's why he got other Parish climate agreement. And so

664
00:42:23,613 --> 00:42:25,853
Speaker 3: even if Trump was to get up there and explain

665
00:42:25,893 --> 00:42:28,733
Speaker 3: what was wrong with the science, twenty percent of the

666
00:42:28,773 --> 00:42:31,293
Speaker 3: population would understand him and the other eighty percent on

667
00:42:32,533 --> 00:42:36,773
Speaker 3: So why even bother with that? That's why I why

668
00:42:36,853 --> 00:42:40,173
Speaker 3: I'm such a danger because I can explain the science

669
00:42:40,213 --> 00:42:43,973
Speaker 3: in ways that people can understand, but I also understand

670
00:42:44,053 --> 00:42:48,813
Speaker 3: and can get around the political ramifications.

671
00:42:48,013 --> 00:42:52,653
Speaker 2: Of it all numbers eight and nine, I'll join them together.

672
00:42:53,453 --> 00:42:55,933
Speaker 2: People find it hard to believe a deception on such

673
00:42:55,973 --> 00:43:00,253
Speaker 2: a grand scale could occur, and opponents were rustlessly attacked,

674
00:43:01,373 --> 00:43:06,893
Speaker 2: causing others to remain silent. And you exhibit one for

675
00:43:06,973 --> 00:43:07,653
Speaker 2: that last point.

676
00:43:08,493 --> 00:43:12,173
Speaker 3: Yes, the fact that I got the lawsuits, why did

677
00:43:12,213 --> 00:43:14,173
Speaker 3: they pick me out? I wasn't the only person that

678
00:43:14,333 --> 00:43:18,133
Speaker 3: was challenging what they were saying. But I had two

679
00:43:18,373 --> 00:43:22,613
Speaker 3: attributes that God given. One was that I could explain

680
00:43:22,693 --> 00:43:25,453
Speaker 3: the science, in the complex science in a way people

681
00:43:25,493 --> 00:43:29,453
Speaker 3: could understand, and I had had an ability to make

682
00:43:29,493 --> 00:43:32,933
Speaker 3: it understandable to the vast majority of the people. And

683
00:43:32,973 --> 00:43:35,453
Speaker 3: as I said, I honed those skills by teaching a

684
00:43:35,573 --> 00:43:38,733
Speaker 3: science credit for art students for twenty five years, so

685
00:43:39,613 --> 00:43:44,133
Speaker 3: they couldn't say I wasn't qualified. Noticed that nobody ever

686
00:43:44,173 --> 00:43:48,213
Speaker 3: said that al Gore wasn't qualified, was never even never challenged,

687
00:43:48,293 --> 00:43:50,653
Speaker 3: never said well, what do you know about climate change?

688
00:43:51,133 --> 00:43:53,653
Speaker 3: You know nothing? And yet here you've written books and

689
00:43:53,693 --> 00:43:56,293
Speaker 3: you're the world expert on it. You know nothing, So

690
00:43:56,453 --> 00:43:59,293
Speaker 3: they couldn't say I wasn't qualified. And I had this

691
00:43:59,413 --> 00:44:03,813
Speaker 3: ability to explain it in ways that people that didn't

692
00:44:03,893 --> 00:44:07,013
Speaker 3: understand science could make sense of it. Therefore I was

693
00:44:07,053 --> 00:44:10,533
Speaker 3: an enormous threat. So what do you do? You file

694
00:44:10,653 --> 00:44:15,053
Speaker 3: three lawsuits against the against me and and try to

695
00:44:15,093 --> 00:44:18,613
Speaker 3: shut me up that way, both in terms of the

696
00:44:18,653 --> 00:44:22,373
Speaker 3: cost and also other scientists. I had a lot of

697
00:44:22,453 --> 00:44:24,813
Speaker 3: scientists say to me, we agree with you, but we

698
00:44:25,053 --> 00:44:28,533
Speaker 3: never say it publicly because we don't want to get lawsuits.

699
00:44:28,613 --> 00:44:32,133
Speaker 3: We don't want to be attacked. So the intimidation factor

700
00:44:32,173 --> 00:44:35,053
Speaker 3: of what I've gone through is very much a part

701
00:44:35,093 --> 00:44:35,293
Speaker 3: of this.

702
00:44:35,973 --> 00:44:38,333
Speaker 2: So do you think that your success to this point

703
00:44:38,373 --> 00:44:43,973
Speaker 2: anyway will carry each others.

704
00:44:44,653 --> 00:44:49,293
Speaker 3: That I'm right at the point of not knowing whether

705
00:44:49,493 --> 00:44:52,373
Speaker 3: how to answer that question. My wife asked me that

706
00:44:52,453 --> 00:44:55,693
Speaker 3: question this morning because one of the things that I've

707
00:44:55,733 --> 00:45:00,693
Speaker 3: been saying recently is that I failed. And what I

708
00:45:00,773 --> 00:45:04,053
Speaker 3: mean by that is that for thirty or forty years now,

709
00:45:04,493 --> 00:45:07,973
Speaker 3: I've been trying to point out the world how what's

710
00:45:08,013 --> 00:45:10,733
Speaker 3: wrong with the science, the very basics of what's wrong

711
00:45:10,773 --> 00:45:13,813
Speaker 3: with the science, and an awful lot of people have

712
00:45:14,373 --> 00:45:17,773
Speaker 3: bought into that. You know, the the you can look

713
00:45:17,813 --> 00:45:21,573
Speaker 3: on the web, but at the groups, but the world

714
00:45:21,773 --> 00:45:26,893
Speaker 3: is still every single Democratic presidential nominee in the in

715
00:45:26,973 --> 00:45:32,413
Speaker 3: America recently climate change was their number one issue. Well,

716
00:45:32,693 --> 00:45:34,733
Speaker 3: if climate change is not an issue, why is it

717
00:45:34,853 --> 00:45:37,573
Speaker 3: an issue for them? Therefore I failed.

718
00:45:38,773 --> 00:45:41,413
Speaker 2: And I read that when when you put that, when

719
00:45:41,453 --> 00:45:45,053
Speaker 2: you put that out, and I thought, I thought, I thought,

720
00:45:45,573 --> 00:45:49,333
Speaker 2: don't fall over now, Well you have been you have

721
00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:55,653
Speaker 2: been rehabilitated. They're they're the nine points. Now, who's got

722
00:45:55,653 --> 00:45:57,813
Speaker 2: the moral high grounds in this debate?

723
00:46:00,813 --> 00:46:04,133
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course that's That's what it's all about,

724
00:46:04,253 --> 00:46:07,413
Speaker 3: is is uh, who's got the moral high ground? And

725
00:46:07,413 --> 00:46:11,133
Speaker 3: the answer is the minute the minute you say you know,

726
00:46:11,213 --> 00:46:17,533
Speaker 3: I'm protecting the environment or protecting the planet, than anybody

727
00:46:17,573 --> 00:46:21,173
Speaker 3: that dares to question what you're saying loses the moral

728
00:46:21,253 --> 00:46:25,573
Speaker 3: high ground. So they get the moral high ground by default.

729
00:46:26,413 --> 00:46:29,053
Speaker 3: And and of course this is this is what I'm saying.

730
00:46:29,133 --> 00:46:33,533
Speaker 3: I said earlier about where science would normally have a

731
00:46:33,573 --> 00:46:37,373
Speaker 3: full debate about the credibility of all this information. You

732
00:46:37,413 --> 00:46:41,533
Speaker 3: can't even present the other side of the argument because

733
00:46:41,533 --> 00:46:45,693
Speaker 3: you're immediately accused of not caring about the children, or

734
00:46:45,693 --> 00:46:51,293
Speaker 3: the planet or the future. So it stifles the debate

735
00:46:51,373 --> 00:46:55,213
Speaker 3: that we absolutely need to have, because you know, here's

736
00:46:55,253 --> 00:46:57,413
Speaker 3: one of the area just just a shirt to throw

737
00:46:57,453 --> 00:47:00,893
Speaker 3: something at you that completely out of left field. We're

738
00:47:00,893 --> 00:47:04,653
Speaker 3: talking about overpopulation. Every country in the world is, oh, well,

739
00:47:04,693 --> 00:47:07,733
Speaker 3: we got overpopulation. We got to reduce population. Do you

740
00:47:07,773 --> 00:47:10,173
Speaker 3: know the most effective way of reducing population?

741
00:47:10,413 --> 00:47:16,333
Speaker 2: Yes, development exactly, and that's been known for sixty years. Well,

742
00:47:16,813 --> 00:47:21,853
Speaker 2: I profit that on this podcast, I think only a

743
00:47:21,893 --> 00:47:25,333
Speaker 2: week ago, to a question that somebody wrote to me,

744
00:47:25,893 --> 00:47:28,653
Speaker 2: and I got a response to it from another individual,

745
00:47:30,013 --> 00:47:34,333
Speaker 2: and it went something like this, how can you believe

746
00:47:34,453 --> 00:47:38,653
Speaker 2: the figures that are proposed about the popular the oil's

747
00:47:38,693 --> 00:47:43,253
Speaker 2: population dropping around twenty fifty How can you believe that

748
00:47:43,613 --> 00:47:47,813
Speaker 2: from people who look to the future, when we won't

749
00:47:47,853 --> 00:47:50,773
Speaker 2: believe this about climate and other things. In other words,

750
00:47:50,933 --> 00:47:53,973
Speaker 2: they get it wrong all the time, So why would

751
00:47:54,013 --> 00:47:56,733
Speaker 2: we believe that. Figure, Well, what.

752
00:47:57,133 --> 00:48:01,533
Speaker 3: You have to do as what I have always done,

753
00:48:01,573 --> 00:48:04,053
Speaker 3: and why I got into climate and then into the

754
00:48:04,093 --> 00:48:07,613
Speaker 3: area of climate that I did. I got into climate

755
00:48:07,653 --> 00:48:11,973
Speaker 3: reconstruction because one of the things I discovered was that

756
00:48:12,013 --> 00:48:14,773
Speaker 3: there was very little long term data about climate and

757
00:48:14,773 --> 00:48:17,853
Speaker 3: climate change. And until you know how much the climate

758
00:48:17,893 --> 00:48:20,853
Speaker 3: has changed in the past, you haven't got a hope

759
00:48:20,973 --> 00:48:25,493
Speaker 3: of getting to the mechanisms and then to predicting and

760
00:48:25,533 --> 00:48:29,773
Speaker 3: planning for the future. And so when I made these

761
00:48:29,893 --> 00:48:36,413
Speaker 3: arguments about decreasing population due to development, go and look

762
00:48:36,453 --> 00:48:40,133
Speaker 3: at the demographic transition and look at all the countries

763
00:48:40,173 --> 00:48:45,013
Speaker 3: where it has operated. Look at the countries where in

764
00:48:45,053 --> 00:48:47,813
Speaker 3: fact there are countries now and even parts of countries,

765
00:48:47,813 --> 00:48:52,613
Speaker 3: for example, Quebec here in Canada are paying parents to

766
00:48:52,613 --> 00:48:57,173
Speaker 3: have a third child because the demographic transition is so

767
00:48:57,333 --> 00:49:01,853
Speaker 3: effective that they can only maintain their workforce with immigration.

768
00:49:02,653 --> 00:49:10,373
Speaker 3: America is replacing a declining birth rate with immigration. And

769
00:49:10,853 --> 00:49:18,293
Speaker 3: so this is evidence of how effective our population control

770
00:49:18,373 --> 00:49:18,773
Speaker 3: can be.

771
00:49:18,973 --> 00:49:22,853
Speaker 2: All right, two more things. I don't know whether you've

772
00:49:22,893 --> 00:49:27,253
Speaker 2: seen it, but Japan has The Japanese Prime Minister has

773
00:49:28,653 --> 00:49:34,733
Speaker 2: announced I think yesterday that he's given approval for a

774
00:49:34,893 --> 00:49:38,413
Speaker 2: thirty percent increase, and they currently have one hundred coal

775
00:49:38,453 --> 00:49:42,253
Speaker 2: fired power plants in Japan a thirty percent entry, So

776
00:49:42,293 --> 00:49:47,013
Speaker 2: another thirty coal fled coal fired power plants to be

777
00:49:47,053 --> 00:49:54,173
Speaker 2: built in Japan. Well, what's what's going on then with

778
00:49:54,333 --> 00:49:57,933
Speaker 2: countries like ours, where where we're talking about the government's

779
00:49:57,973 --> 00:50:02,013
Speaker 2: talking about punishing everybody and doing their very best and

780
00:50:02,093 --> 00:50:09,613
Speaker 2: closing down infrastructure and searches for power sources, when Japan's

781
00:50:09,653 --> 00:50:11,813
Speaker 2: simply going to build another thirty CO five.

782
00:50:12,853 --> 00:50:18,053
Speaker 3: Well, of course, it's like with the people. Ultimately it's

783
00:50:18,093 --> 00:50:21,533
Speaker 3: yourself interest that you look after. You'll go along with

784
00:50:21,613 --> 00:50:23,573
Speaker 3: the group as long as you see some benefit and

785
00:50:23,653 --> 00:50:26,413
Speaker 3: you want to be part of the group, but ultimately

786
00:50:26,453 --> 00:50:30,733
Speaker 3: it's your own survival. Japan's problem has always been a

787
00:50:30,813 --> 00:50:34,773
Speaker 3: complete lack of resources. Japan has had to depend upon

788
00:50:34,933 --> 00:50:39,493
Speaker 3: imported resources, and in fact, back in the oil energy crisis,

789
00:50:39,533 --> 00:50:42,413
Speaker 3: back with the OPEC back in the eighties, what Japan

790
00:50:42,493 --> 00:50:49,173
Speaker 3: did was built huge inflatable rubberized containers and floated them

791
00:50:49,213 --> 00:50:52,013
Speaker 3: in all of the estuaries around Japan and filled them

792
00:50:52,053 --> 00:50:57,213
Speaker 3: up with oil so that they had in those containers

793
00:50:57,653 --> 00:51:01,533
Speaker 3: two years of oil supply in case they got cut

794
00:51:01,533 --> 00:51:04,733
Speaker 3: off from the rest of the world. Japan has always

795
00:51:04,733 --> 00:51:07,773
Speaker 3: had an energy problem. It's why they were quite happy,

796
00:51:07,853 --> 00:51:11,653
Speaker 3: despite what being the only country in the world to

797
00:51:11,813 --> 00:51:14,653
Speaker 3: suffer from the effects of the nuclear bomb, they were

798
00:51:14,733 --> 00:51:18,413
Speaker 3: quite happy to adopt nuclear power, and forty percent or

799
00:51:18,453 --> 00:51:22,853
Speaker 3: so of their power now comes from nuclear. The other

800
00:51:23,093 --> 00:51:28,333
Speaker 3: point about this is if they opened thirty coal burning plants.

801
00:51:28,613 --> 00:51:31,813
Speaker 3: First of all coal and this has been the case

802
00:51:31,853 --> 00:51:35,853
Speaker 3: now for at least sixty years. The technology to burn

803
00:51:35,933 --> 00:51:39,973
Speaker 3: coal perfectly clean has been around for at least sixty years.

804
00:51:40,293 --> 00:51:42,333
Speaker 3: In fact, there was a coal burning plant in the

805
00:51:42,333 --> 00:51:47,053
Speaker 3: middle William and Mary Campus University in the US that

806
00:51:48,413 --> 00:51:50,813
Speaker 3: students didn't even know it was a coal burning plant

807
00:51:51,253 --> 00:51:54,053
Speaker 3: because it was the first place where they experimented with

808
00:51:54,133 --> 00:51:59,093
Speaker 3: scrubbers and burning the coal clean. It never got adopted

809
00:51:59,253 --> 00:52:04,053
Speaker 3: to the national situation because at that time that they

810
00:52:04,093 --> 00:52:09,613
Speaker 3: were pushing it, they were Tristia bill was about three

811
00:52:09,693 --> 00:52:11,973
Speaker 3: hundred dollars a month and if they went to this

812
00:52:12,133 --> 00:52:16,013
Speaker 3: clean coal approach, it would lick more than double the

813
00:52:16,053 --> 00:52:18,653
Speaker 3: price of the energy, and no politician was willing to

814
00:52:18,693 --> 00:52:23,253
Speaker 3: do that. There are there are energy companies in the

815
00:52:23,333 --> 00:52:26,493
Speaker 3: US three and have got together and built a coal

816
00:52:26,533 --> 00:52:30,653
Speaker 3: burning plant in North Dakota that is completely cold. Uh,

817
00:52:30,813 --> 00:52:34,973
Speaker 3: you know, clean coal, free clean, Yeah, clean coal, But

818
00:52:35,333 --> 00:52:37,253
Speaker 3: people don't want to pay the price for it. There's

819
00:52:37,293 --> 00:52:40,733
Speaker 3: other alternate energies. The other point that I make is

820
00:52:40,813 --> 00:52:44,213
Speaker 3: so so Japan bills thirty coal burning plants, they would

821
00:52:44,253 --> 00:52:48,933
Speaker 3: be with complete scrubbers because they don't want to pollute themselves.

822
00:52:49,733 --> 00:52:54,133
Speaker 3: But that's not a fraction of what China's building every month.

823
00:52:55,573 --> 00:52:58,173
Speaker 3: And and so this is this is part of the

824
00:52:58,213 --> 00:53:04,813
Speaker 3: difficulty that unless you determine and can prove scientifically that

825
00:53:04,893 --> 00:53:07,533
Speaker 3: the CO two is a problem, and then you can

826
00:53:07,773 --> 00:53:12,933
Speaker 3: bring in legislation that is truly global in its adaptation,

827
00:53:13,813 --> 00:53:18,533
Speaker 3: then why would any country uh may you know have

828
00:53:19,053 --> 00:53:24,093
Speaker 3: produce electricity more expensive than it needs to? As I said,

829
00:53:24,293 --> 00:53:28,613
Speaker 3: if you if you could do this reduction unilaterally, fine,

830
00:53:28,693 --> 00:53:31,213
Speaker 3: but it ain't gonna happen. And it's never and it

831
00:53:31,533 --> 00:53:36,133
Speaker 3: has never happened, and and so as I said, there's

832
00:53:36,173 --> 00:53:42,733
Speaker 3: so much misinformation about uh energy production, coal production, uh

833
00:53:42,893 --> 00:53:44,493
Speaker 3: and so on and so forth.

834
00:53:45,053 --> 00:53:45,333
Speaker 1: Uh.

835
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Speaker 3: It's it's absolutely amazing. I mean, one of the one

836
00:53:48,213 --> 00:53:51,493
Speaker 3: of the pushes for for Antarctica and the reason the

837
00:53:51,573 --> 00:53:54,253
Speaker 3: U en several years ago said no, we're not going

838
00:53:54,293 --> 00:53:58,813
Speaker 3: to allow any resource extraction on Australia in Antarctica. Is

839
00:53:58,853 --> 00:54:02,093
Speaker 3: because there's some of the best massive coal scenes anywhere

840
00:54:02,093 --> 00:54:05,333
Speaker 3: in the world, and countries that had a slice of

841
00:54:05,373 --> 00:54:07,453
Speaker 3: Antarctica said hey, I'm going to go and drag the

842
00:54:07,453 --> 00:54:09,973
Speaker 3: coal out of there. And the UN had to step

843
00:54:10,013 --> 00:54:11,413
Speaker 3: in and say no, we're going to We're going to

844
00:54:11,493 --> 00:54:14,933
Speaker 3: pass the policy that there'll be no resource extraction out

845
00:54:14,933 --> 00:54:18,253
Speaker 3: of Antarctica. This is the sort of thing that people

846
00:54:18,293 --> 00:54:21,053
Speaker 3: don't even hear about about what's going on now.

847
00:54:21,213 --> 00:54:26,493
Speaker 2: Finally, September twenty three, the UN biggest meeting since on

848
00:54:26,933 --> 00:54:32,693
Speaker 2: climate since Paris. What's what would we expect from that?

849
00:54:34,693 --> 00:54:38,133
Speaker 3: Well, what they'll do is they'll can continue to push

850
00:54:38,733 --> 00:54:43,173
Speaker 3: that the global warming and the climate issue is, well,

851
00:54:43,573 --> 00:54:46,213
Speaker 3: what's the term an existential threat and all this nonsense.

852
00:54:47,333 --> 00:54:51,253
Speaker 3: But the numbers that they're using come from the Intercunmental

853
00:54:51,293 --> 00:54:54,893
Speaker 3: Panel on Climate Change, who only look at human causes

854
00:54:54,933 --> 00:54:57,853
Speaker 3: of climate change. So, in other words, they're going to

855
00:54:57,893 --> 00:55:03,933
Speaker 3: base a war policy on data that has been deliberately

856
00:55:04,733 --> 00:55:10,813
Speaker 3: restricted and created in order to justify the policy. It's

857
00:55:10,853 --> 00:55:14,813
Speaker 3: the most incestuous self serving system you could imagine, and

858
00:55:15,293 --> 00:55:17,693
Speaker 3: but that's what they'll do. They'll come out and say, Oh,

859
00:55:17,733 --> 00:55:20,133
Speaker 3: it's worse than we thought. We've got to act, We've

860
00:55:20,133 --> 00:55:22,693
Speaker 3: got to do this, We've got to do that. Meanwhile,

861
00:55:23,253 --> 00:55:27,213
Speaker 3: countries like China say, there, go away, we're going to

862
00:55:27,253 --> 00:55:27,853
Speaker 3: burn the call.

863
00:55:28,493 --> 00:55:33,093
Speaker 2: What would you what would you advise somebody who asks

864
00:55:33,173 --> 00:55:36,373
Speaker 2: you they know very little, but they want to know more.

865
00:55:37,333 --> 00:55:40,133
Speaker 2: What should they? Can you suggest a website? Can you

866
00:55:40,173 --> 00:55:43,733
Speaker 2: suggest I mean, you've got two books, but can you

867
00:55:43,773 --> 00:55:47,693
Speaker 2: suggest the best book and the best website that anyone

868
00:55:47,693 --> 00:55:51,693
Speaker 2: who wants to advance their knowledge of this could go to.

869
00:55:52,853 --> 00:55:56,653
Speaker 3: Well, that's the problem with it. There is no one

870
00:55:56,773 --> 00:56:00,693
Speaker 3: website because you're dealing with politics and you're dealing with science,

871
00:56:01,173 --> 00:56:05,733
Speaker 3: and in climate change, every single science is involved. I mean,

872
00:56:05,773 --> 00:56:07,853
Speaker 3: you look at the range of people that call themselves

873
00:56:07,933 --> 00:56:12,693
Speaker 3: climates scientists. They're everybody from hydrologists to atmospheric chemists and

874
00:56:12,733 --> 00:56:15,973
Speaker 3: so on. And so this is back to that problem

875
00:56:16,013 --> 00:56:19,973
Speaker 3: I mentioned at the beginning of the program, where the

876
00:56:20,013 --> 00:56:23,213
Speaker 3: atmosphere is a general thing, but everybody that's studying it

877
00:56:23,253 --> 00:56:25,373
Speaker 3: is only looking at one small piece of it as

878
00:56:25,413 --> 00:56:30,613
Speaker 3: an atmospheric specialist. And so some of the best websites

879
00:56:30,973 --> 00:56:35,173
Speaker 3: to go to. The one that is very very good

880
00:56:35,613 --> 00:56:42,733
Speaker 3: is what's up with that? Yes, because what Anthony does

881
00:56:42,813 --> 00:56:45,613
Speaker 3: is he tries to explain the science in a way

882
00:56:45,653 --> 00:56:51,173
Speaker 3: that people can understand and then also present political arguments

883
00:56:51,253 --> 00:56:54,893
Speaker 3: that are are relevant to the issue, so that that

884
00:56:55,053 --> 00:56:58,533
Speaker 3: is as good a website as Eddie. There's another one

885
00:56:58,613 --> 00:57:02,973
Speaker 3: called CO two Science. That's all one word CO two

886
00:57:03,813 --> 00:57:09,253
Speaker 3: Capitalists Science. CO two Science now that's run by Craig

887
00:57:09,733 --> 00:57:12,493
Speaker 3: is So and sure what it's so? And these are

888
00:57:12,573 --> 00:57:16,933
Speaker 3: people who have been specialist since CO two well Sherwood

889
00:57:16,973 --> 00:57:20,253
Speaker 3: for forty years at least that I know of, and

890
00:57:20,333 --> 00:57:24,053
Speaker 3: so they of course are the world experts on CO

891
00:57:24,373 --> 00:57:27,493
Speaker 3: two properties, what it can do, what it can't do,

892
00:57:28,053 --> 00:57:31,853
Speaker 3: and of course because they know, they also are aware

893
00:57:31,893 --> 00:57:34,613
Speaker 3: of all of the misinformation and lies that are out there.

894
00:57:35,013 --> 00:57:39,933
Speaker 3: So that's another superb site to go to. Unfortunately, I

895
00:57:40,493 --> 00:57:45,293
Speaker 3: because my site got hacked by people putting pornographic films

896
00:57:45,333 --> 00:57:48,213
Speaker 3: on there. I just quit trying to protect it and

897
00:57:48,293 --> 00:57:51,573
Speaker 3: took the site down. I'm debating whether I want to

898
00:57:51,613 --> 00:57:52,653
Speaker 3: put up another site.

899
00:57:52,693 --> 00:57:54,573
Speaker 2: When did you When did you do that? Because I tried,

900
00:57:54,613 --> 00:57:57,973
Speaker 2: I attempted to get onto it this morning before we spoke,

901
00:57:58,733 --> 00:58:01,213
Speaker 2: and yeah, it won't go anyway.

902
00:58:01,693 --> 00:58:03,493
Speaker 3: No, I took it out. I took it down two

903
00:58:03,533 --> 00:58:07,173
Speaker 3: days ago. And the reason is, I mean normally I say, okay,

904
00:58:07,213 --> 00:58:11,413
Speaker 3: adults at looking at it, the pornographic intrusions are no

905
00:58:11,533 --> 00:58:15,173
Speaker 3: big deal. But the problem is because of so many

906
00:58:15,293 --> 00:58:18,973
Speaker 3: children researching climate and climate change. You know, I mean

907
00:58:19,093 --> 00:58:23,613
Speaker 3: every every subject in school, they got an essay to

908
00:58:23,693 --> 00:58:27,733
Speaker 3: do on global warming. And so I just couldn't risk

909
00:58:29,853 --> 00:58:33,573
Speaker 3: having children click onto my site and see the pornographic site.

910
00:58:34,373 --> 00:58:37,573
Speaker 2: You've just touched on something that we won't go into today,

911
00:58:38,653 --> 00:58:41,493
Speaker 2: and that is the abuse of children. You know, I

912
00:58:42,773 --> 00:58:47,013
Speaker 2: get male from parents who was on my kid. My

913
00:58:47,173 --> 00:58:50,533
Speaker 2: kid tried to write an essay because he doesn't believe

914
00:58:50,573 --> 00:58:53,493
Speaker 2: it and I was told he'd fail if he did it.

915
00:58:53,613 --> 00:58:57,853
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. The child abuse that's going on in the

916
00:58:57,893 --> 00:59:02,213
Speaker 3: schools really needs to be examined. Schools of schools have

917
00:59:02,293 --> 00:59:08,453
Speaker 3: gone from places of of of well babysitting and one

918
00:59:08,573 --> 00:59:12,413
Speaker 3: level of education, they are now totally schools of indoctrination.

919
00:59:13,893 --> 00:59:18,413
Speaker 2: Very sad. Listen, once again, once again, I've got to

920
00:59:18,453 --> 00:59:21,413
Speaker 2: say thank you so much for your time. We did

921
00:59:21,453 --> 00:59:24,053
Speaker 2: what we did last time we've done an hour and

922
00:59:25,533 --> 00:59:28,093
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled with it. And you must get very weary

923
00:59:28,293 --> 00:59:31,453
Speaker 2: of doing all these interviews. But I'm so grateful and

924
00:59:31,453 --> 00:59:33,733
Speaker 2: I want to thank you very much, and again congratulations

925
00:59:33,733 --> 00:59:37,333
Speaker 2: on your recent award and the court victory.

926
00:59:38,093 --> 00:59:40,053
Speaker 3: Thanks for the opportunity. And by the way, late and

927
00:59:40,133 --> 00:59:42,573
Speaker 3: one of the things that the climate issue week is

928
00:59:42,573 --> 00:59:45,133
Speaker 3: a lot more we can talk about. But they're doing

929
00:59:45,173 --> 00:59:47,773
Speaker 3: what I said they would do. As the climate issue

930
00:59:47,853 --> 00:59:51,053
Speaker 3: is weakening, water is becoming the focus, You're going to

931
00:59:51,053 --> 00:59:53,533
Speaker 3: see a whole panic around the world about water and

932
00:59:53,573 --> 00:59:54,933
Speaker 3: water resources.

933
00:59:55,373 --> 00:59:58,333
Speaker 2: Well, lot, this is something to talk about. I'm happy

934
00:59:58,373 --> 01:00:00,573
Speaker 2: to engage with you again.

935
01:00:01,453 --> 01:00:04,693
Speaker 3: Good and I taught a course in water resources for

936
01:00:04,733 --> 01:00:08,973
Speaker 3: twenty five years and I served on several commissions on water,

937
01:00:09,133 --> 01:00:14,293
Speaker 3: so both at the federal and international level. So be

938
01:00:14,333 --> 01:00:16,693
Speaker 3: happy to talk about that topic too, so that people

939
01:00:16,733 --> 01:00:21,333
Speaker 3: can at least get some facts and formulate or sort

940
01:00:21,413 --> 01:00:23,533
Speaker 3: out whether they're hearing is true or not.

941
01:00:24,053 --> 01:00:27,293
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, Tim, Thank you so much. Thank you lying

942
01:00:27,613 --> 01:00:34,933
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, Doctor Tim Ball. So there you have

943
01:00:35,053 --> 01:00:38,333
Speaker 2: it from doctor Tim Ball. Now I could talk I

944
01:00:38,373 --> 01:00:40,773
Speaker 2: could talk this particular topic every week and I could

945
01:00:40,813 --> 01:00:45,933
Speaker 2: fill this podcast up with individual scientists of his standing

946
01:00:46,053 --> 01:00:50,453
Speaker 2: and even higher, and there are some, and we could

947
01:00:50,493 --> 01:00:53,893
Speaker 2: just hammer it, but none of us want I want

948
01:00:53,893 --> 01:00:56,653
Speaker 2: to do that all the time. I don't, but I could,

949
01:00:56,973 --> 01:00:59,493
Speaker 2: because there are enough of them and they have various

950
01:00:59,533 --> 01:01:03,093
Speaker 2: things to say from different disciplines in science. Now, I

951
01:01:03,093 --> 01:01:05,653
Speaker 2: want to leave you this week with a little story

952
01:01:05,773 --> 01:01:08,813
Speaker 2: with well that has connections anti the meat move. It

953
01:01:08,853 --> 01:01:11,453
Speaker 2: is certainly gained by metum in recent years, with vegetarians

954
01:01:11,493 --> 01:01:13,333
Speaker 2: and vagans set to make up one quarter of the

955
01:01:13,413 --> 01:01:17,173
Speaker 2: UK population by twenty twenty five, and that's according to

956
01:01:17,173 --> 01:01:21,293
Speaker 2: an analysis by Sainsbury's. But a big study released last

957
01:01:21,293 --> 01:01:24,213
Speaker 2: week might just put the brakes on the rapidly accelerating

958
01:01:24,253 --> 01:01:28,693
Speaker 2: plant based trend. According to Oxford University research published by

959
01:01:28,693 --> 01:01:32,893
Speaker 2: the British Medical Journal, vegetarians and vagans have a twenty percent,

960
01:01:33,053 --> 01:01:36,573
Speaker 2: zero one and five percent higher risk of stroke than

961
01:01:36,613 --> 01:01:41,653
Speaker 2: those who regularly apply themselves with meat. The authors of

962
01:01:41,693 --> 01:01:45,413
Speaker 2: the study, which tracked almost fifty thousand Britains for eighteen years,

963
01:01:45,973 --> 01:01:49,693
Speaker 2: said this might be because veggies do not have enough

964
01:01:49,773 --> 01:01:54,093
Speaker 2: cholesterol in their blood. The finding flies on the face

965
01:01:54,133 --> 01:01:57,653
Speaker 2: of much conventional wisdom, which says that vegetarianism is a

966
01:01:57,693 --> 01:02:02,013
Speaker 2: healthy alternative to a carnivorous lifestyle. We are forever being

967
01:02:02,133 --> 01:02:05,933
Speaker 2: hected about the need, apparently for health and environmental reasons,

968
01:02:06,093 --> 01:02:10,253
Speaker 2: to cut back on red meat altogether. Nutritius say the

969
01:02:10,333 --> 01:02:13,533
Speaker 2: increased risk of stroke is just one of the many

970
01:02:13,573 --> 01:02:16,813
Speaker 2: health risks that any would be vegetarian should be made

971
01:02:16,813 --> 01:02:19,573
Speaker 2: aware of before they take the plunge. Now, it's a

972
01:02:19,653 --> 01:02:23,613
Speaker 2: lengthy article, but that's all I need to cover. But

973
01:02:23,653 --> 01:02:28,413
Speaker 2: can I leave you with one final thought. This belief

974
01:02:28,613 --> 01:02:30,853
Speaker 2: that there are too many people on the planet and

975
01:02:30,933 --> 01:02:34,933
Speaker 2: the desire to reduce the number of people by one

976
01:02:35,013 --> 01:02:41,013
Speaker 2: way or another just could fall into this category. You

977
01:02:41,053 --> 01:02:45,053
Speaker 2: imagine it. The encouragement is to get people off meat

978
01:02:45,453 --> 01:02:49,013
Speaker 2: and onto a plant based diet. With a twenty percent

979
01:02:49,133 --> 01:02:52,853
Speaker 2: increase in chance of stroke, wouldn't it be one fine

980
01:02:52,893 --> 01:02:55,173
Speaker 2: way to reduce the number of people on the planet,

981
01:02:55,853 --> 01:03:00,053
Speaker 2: especially as age catches up with people. So I leave

982
01:03:00,093 --> 01:03:02,453
Speaker 2: you with that thought, and the next time you jump

983
01:03:02,533 --> 01:03:05,453
Speaker 2: into a vagan or a vegetarian, ask them if they've

984
01:03:05,533 --> 01:03:08,253
Speaker 2: used up four of their five lives. We shall talk

985
01:03:08,333 --> 01:03:18,973
Speaker 2: again next week. Thank you for listening and take care.

986
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