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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 4: There you a good afternoon and welcome into the Sunday

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Speaker 4: edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks VVEP. For November

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Speaker 4: twenty third, Happy sixty ninth birthday to Bruce Edgar, Happy

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Speaker 4: sixty seventh to Martin Snedden, and happy sixty fourth birthday

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Speaker 4: of MERVHWS two Test All Black swinger Joeli VINDERI also

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Speaker 4: born on the date nineteen seventy three. He passed away

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Speaker 4: far too soon in two thousand and two. I'm Jason

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Speaker 4: Pineshow produced by Annie McDonald. We're talking sport with you

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Speaker 4: until three. The final All Blacks Test of the year

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Speaker 4: is in the books and the curtain comes down on fees.

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Speaker 5: In twenty twenty.

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Speaker 6: Five for the All.

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Speaker 7: Blacks No Brand Slam, three losses, ten woms, final score

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Speaker 7: fifty two to twenty six and.

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Speaker 4: Cardiff All Blacks Assistant Coach Jason Holland is along shortly.

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Speaker 4: It will be his final interview with us as All

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Speaker 4: Black's assistant coach. He is exiting that post. Of course.

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Speaker 4: We'll get an assessment a bit later in the afternoon

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Speaker 4: from Gregor Paul from the New Zealand Herald, who watched

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Speaker 4: on in Cardiff and was part of our radio commentary.

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Speaker 4: But it's your evaluation. I'm really after why she quite

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Speaker 4: enjoyed this morning finishing with a bit of a flourish,

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Speaker 4: a bright end to an at times challenging year. How

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Speaker 4: does it change the way you feel about the All

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Speaker 4: Blacks at the midway point of the World Cup cycle

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Speaker 4: and what is your assessment of twenty twenty five as

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Speaker 4: an All Blacks fan, now that all thirteen Test matches

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Speaker 4: have been played, Lines open immediately and across the afternoon

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Speaker 4: to review this morning and to evaluates the All Blacks year,

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Speaker 4: other matters around today. The first Ashes Test, what was

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Speaker 4: going on there all over inside two days in Perth.

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Speaker 4: It took just one hundred and forty one overs of

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Speaker 4: cricket for Australia to draw first blood and win the

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Speaker 4: first Test by eight wicket. It's going to get some

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Speaker 4: reaction to that your thoughts as well. What has happened

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Speaker 4: to Test cricket? And imagine, just imagine if you had

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Speaker 4: tickets for Day three today Keewilliam Lawson's going to start

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Speaker 4: sixth on the grid in this afternoon's Las Vegas Grand Prix.

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Speaker 4: We'll get you to Vegas with Formula one journalist Mick

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Speaker 4: Acres and Melbourne Storm forward Ali Cutta won't play in

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Speaker 4: the NRL next year. The club have confirmed that he

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Speaker 4: won't be available for the twenty twenty sixth season after

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Speaker 4: he required emergency brain surgery and the wake of Tong

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Speaker 4: has lost to the Kiwis in Auckland earlier in the month.

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Speaker 4: What can we learn from this very unfortunate situation? Kiwis

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Speaker 4: has bang on ten past midday.

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Speaker 1: From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the empic fails

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Speaker 7: ZMB fighting I'd look be ranging around now, takes on

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Speaker 7: past Sarka Yoani all left hand side and kaved Clark.

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Speaker 4: And the seventh of the day for the All Blacks

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Speaker 4: fifty two twenty six, including a perfect eight from eight

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Speaker 4: us from Cardiff. Jason, thanks for taking the call as always.

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Speaker 4: How do you evaluate the final All Blacks performance of

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Speaker 9: There's a lot of things we trained pretty hard to

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Speaker 4: Did you sense and energy from players who perhaps have

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Speaker 9: a good week for energy. The boys have been good.

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Speaker 8: And these guys are always always front up on the

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Speaker 4: What was the hurt of last week used as as

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Speaker 8: I don't know if you need to really use it.

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Speaker 9: And yeah, for the most part, we saw the saw

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Speaker 4: You consider just four penalties in the entire game today,

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Speaker 8: The funny thing about it is that maybe sometimes media

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Speaker 8: we won the year a bit more tonight. You know,

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Speaker 8: what That's what discipline looks like sometimes that gives the

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Speaker 9: So yeah, we're really happy with that. We were smart.

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Speaker 4: Gun and again they consider fourteen penalties plus the yellow

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Speaker 9: Oh future is clearly clearly massive.

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Speaker 8: You know, He's he's been absolute champion on this tour obviously,

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Speaker 8: the boys up by in our training weeks absolutely brilliantly

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Speaker 9: And for him to get us opportunity, you know, was.

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Speaker 8: Awesome for home. And he's a great talent fifteen ten,

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Speaker 8: that when Rubes is getting all the simple parts in

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Speaker 8: the future mass of future and there's no doubt that.

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Speaker 9: He'll work hard for it. There's not that many people

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Speaker 4: And this time last year, Fabian Holland wasn't even an

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Speaker 9: It's got to be put into some sort of movie.

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Speaker 8: I reckon the way, you know, the Yeah, growing up

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Speaker 8: It's pretty phenomenal. And again he's just a good man

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Speaker 9: So it's really encouraging.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just on that. Forty five players have worn

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Speaker 8: Look, well, I know Ray talks a lot about being

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Speaker 9: So they're all getting good time and as you've seen

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Speaker 8: You know, we had Wally Satiti come into it last

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Speaker 8: it's yeah, it's it's it's it's as exciting where they

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Speaker 4: Are you able to appraise the year as a whole

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's probably not always a big picture Pinty, without

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Speaker 9: There's some great things in it.

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Speaker 9: Thanks fining cheers mate.

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Speaker 4: No, thank you, Jason. Jason Holland there for the last

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Speaker 4: back three All Blacks Player of the Year. No contest,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely no contest. For the second year in a row,

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Speaker 10: What a story.

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Speaker 4: The boy from the Netherlands who watched the All Blacks

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Speaker 4: All the best of Finlay Christy for his next chapter.

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Speaker 4: The others. Rico Yowani eighty eight test matches, Anton Lenett

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Speaker 4: on holiday, and rightly so. It's been a long year,

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Speaker 5: For jas.

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Speaker 4: All right on hundred and eighty ten eighty for your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Calls are stacking up. Let's get to them. Get I ben.

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Speaker 12: A mate, Uh probably know of that. There's you the

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Speaker 12: I've settled for the rest of the world, the coming

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Speaker 12: I just think that the old, the old days of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the ben it was. Look, I think any

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Speaker 13: Hello, right, good afternoon, Jason, here, are you very good?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 4: Good to hear from you.

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Speaker 13: I won't call your party everyone else does. I will

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Speaker 13: even calling first names. I'm one of the overage Jason,

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Speaker 13: Tony Norton and Chris Wiley, but they will pass away now.

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Speaker 13: But those days rugby was a running game with everybody

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Speaker 13: And passing and passing.

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Speaker 13: But nowadays that's some of these yellow cabs and red

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Speaker 4: Do you still enjoy watching it?

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Speaker 14: Ray?

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Speaker 3: I love watching it.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I've run.

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Speaker 13: I'm a real staunch run of the All Blacks ows

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Speaker 4: Right, I don't agree. I completely disagree with that final point.

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Speaker 4: I'll walk that back. A bit terrific might be taking

437
00:22:02,307 --> 00:22:05,507
Speaker 4: a bit far. She had a couple of issues around TMO,

438
00:22:05,667 --> 00:22:07,787
Speaker 4: but I thought she worked her way through them pretty well.

439
00:22:07,867 --> 00:22:11,347
Speaker 4: But if you compare Holly Davidson's performance on the whistle

440
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Speaker 4: today with all of the other performances of the referees

441
00:22:14,307 --> 00:22:17,827
Speaker 4: and All Blacks test matches this year, I think she's

442
00:22:17,907 --> 00:22:21,867
Speaker 4: right up there. I think her instructions were clear. I

443
00:22:21,947 --> 00:22:25,547
Speaker 4: think she defused a couple of situations. She relied on

444
00:22:25,587 --> 00:22:29,627
Speaker 4: the TMO perhaps a little bit too much. And maybe

445
00:22:29,787 --> 00:22:32,987
Speaker 4: if you're being ultra critical, she probably favored the All

446
00:22:33,027 --> 00:22:35,427
Speaker 4: Blacks a little bit too much in that game on

447
00:22:35,507 --> 00:22:37,867
Speaker 4: a couple of the tight calls. But I think an

448
00:22:37,907 --> 00:22:41,267
Speaker 4: overall assessment of Holly Davidson is a positive one and

449
00:22:41,347 --> 00:22:43,067
Speaker 4: I hope she gets to referee a lot more All

450
00:22:43,107 --> 00:22:47,587
Speaker 4: Blacks test matches. Holly, Hi, mate, A mate, Yeah.

451
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Speaker 14: As you're saying there with Holly Datson, she'd done a

452
00:22:49,667 --> 00:22:53,187
Speaker 14: great job reffing. Definitely one of the best this year.

453
00:22:53,347 --> 00:22:56,627
Speaker 14: I agree with you're there and yeah to the All Blacks,

454
00:22:56,627 --> 00:22:58,867
Speaker 14: I think that was a great game. They showed a

455
00:22:58,907 --> 00:23:01,667
Speaker 14: lot of skill and very fast with the running ball,

456
00:23:01,747 --> 00:23:04,427
Speaker 14: and yeah, I was pretty impressed by it.

457
00:23:04,507 --> 00:23:04,707
Speaker 5: Really.

458
00:23:05,307 --> 00:23:07,587
Speaker 4: How do you feel confident and wise where we're right

459
00:23:07,627 --> 00:23:09,467
Speaker 4: in the middle of the World Cup cycle, right two

460
00:23:09,547 --> 00:23:11,747
Speaker 4: years since the last one, two years to the next one.

461
00:23:12,067 --> 00:23:14,427
Speaker 4: How would you describe your levels of optimism about the

462
00:23:14,507 --> 00:23:15,187
Speaker 4: next World Cup?

463
00:23:16,347 --> 00:23:19,067
Speaker 14: I think in terms of the food pack and Jason Ryan,

464
00:23:19,107 --> 00:23:21,587
Speaker 14: I think we should be very confident there. He's a

465
00:23:21,707 --> 00:23:24,427
Speaker 14: very good coach there by looking like the best I've

466
00:23:24,467 --> 00:23:27,227
Speaker 14: been at the moment, like today, very good and against

467
00:23:27,227 --> 00:23:30,307
Speaker 14: South Africa as well. The back line, I think we

468
00:23:30,467 --> 00:23:33,507
Speaker 14: learned today that just Reuben Love's very good and he

469
00:23:33,587 --> 00:23:37,547
Speaker 14: needs to be starting. And also while we're there, we've

470
00:23:37,667 --> 00:23:39,387
Speaker 14: kind of sounds to me that we're being a bit

471
00:23:39,427 --> 00:23:42,387
Speaker 14: overcritical on the All Blacks. I think we've got the

472
00:23:42,467 --> 00:23:46,627
Speaker 14: best versatility that in you know, the international game. In

473
00:23:46,707 --> 00:23:50,467
Speaker 14: my opinion, Will Jordan is my player of the year

474
00:23:50,507 --> 00:23:53,467
Speaker 14: because he played at fourteen today, playing at fifteen all

475
00:23:53,547 --> 00:23:55,867
Speaker 14: year and he does that so well. So he's one

476
00:23:55,907 --> 00:23:57,667
Speaker 14: of the best wingers and he's the best fallback in

477
00:23:57,707 --> 00:24:01,187
Speaker 14: the All Blacks. So yeah, I think Will Jordan played

478
00:24:01,507 --> 00:24:03,747
Speaker 14: really good this year and we should look at our

479
00:24:03,827 --> 00:24:06,187
Speaker 14: versatility and definitely use that in twenty twenty seven.

480
00:24:06,787 --> 00:24:09,467
Speaker 4: Good man, thanks for your call mate. Look, I saw

481
00:24:09,507 --> 00:24:13,347
Speaker 4: a stat earlier. Will Jordan played every minute of the

482
00:24:13,467 --> 00:24:15,707
Speaker 4: year for the All Blacks apart from the ten minutes

483
00:24:15,747 --> 00:24:20,307
Speaker 4: when he was yellowcarded. He started and finished every Test match.

484
00:24:20,667 --> 00:24:22,667
Speaker 4: The only ten minutes he wasn't out there was that

485
00:24:22,787 --> 00:24:25,387
Speaker 4: yellow card. I can't recall who it was against, but

486
00:24:25,747 --> 00:24:30,467
Speaker 4: that was the only minutes he missed. And I flip

487
00:24:30,467 --> 00:24:32,107
Speaker 4: flopped a bit here and I think most people have

488
00:24:32,307 --> 00:24:34,627
Speaker 4: around his best position. I now like him on the wing.

489
00:24:36,387 --> 00:24:38,467
Speaker 4: I like Clark on the left wing. He was terrific

490
00:24:38,547 --> 00:24:41,387
Speaker 4: this morning. I thought Caleb Clark showed that he is

491
00:24:41,547 --> 00:24:44,547
Speaker 4: the number one left winger and probably the number one

492
00:24:44,627 --> 00:24:48,267
Speaker 4: winger in the All Blacks. I liked will Jordan there,

493
00:24:48,827 --> 00:24:50,747
Speaker 4: and I want to see more of Reuben Love and

494
00:24:50,827 --> 00:24:53,987
Speaker 4: fifteen Olie. Thanks for your call, mate, twenty nine away

495
00:24:54,027 --> 00:24:58,147
Speaker 4: from one calls us stacking up a spear line occasionally

496
00:24:58,227 --> 00:25:00,707
Speaker 4: pops up, So take your opportunity if you can. Oh

497
00:25:00,747 --> 00:25:02,507
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back with more in

498
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Speaker 4: a moment.

499
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Speaker 1: The biggest season sports are on weekend in Sports with

500
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Speaker 1: Jason Pain and t J Junnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted

501
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502
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Speaker 7: On the right hand side to fighty Williams getting the

503
00:25:15,827 --> 00:25:19,547
Speaker 7: lead drive all those three to mighty Williams.

504
00:25:20,027 --> 00:25:22,187
Speaker 4: Yeah, good leg drive from the big feller for his

505
00:25:22,347 --> 00:25:26,267
Speaker 4: try this morning. Jase, Hi, mate, maybe before.

506
00:25:26,067 --> 00:25:29,067
Speaker 3: I give you my issummation of the tour and this

507
00:25:29,227 --> 00:25:33,227
Speaker 3: morning's game, has he been a law change in respect?

508
00:25:33,347 --> 00:25:35,587
Speaker 4: I thought you're gonna have to narrow it down there, Jason,

509
00:25:35,787 --> 00:25:37,587
Speaker 4: narrow it down. Has there been a law change where

510
00:25:38,307 --> 00:25:39,147
Speaker 4: the law changes?

511
00:25:39,147 --> 00:25:41,427
Speaker 15: I always thought once a kambergan was over, you couldn't

512
00:25:41,427 --> 00:25:41,827
Speaker 15: go back.

513
00:25:43,547 --> 00:25:47,387
Speaker 4: I know you can. Obviously that happened this morning right there. Yeah, yeah, no,

514
00:25:47,587 --> 00:25:50,747
Speaker 4: I haven't ever seen it. Yeah, it did seem to

515
00:25:50,787 --> 00:25:53,027
Speaker 4: take a bit of time for them to reach the

516
00:25:53,227 --> 00:25:55,667
Speaker 4: That was the duplistic if you knock on, wasn't it,

517
00:25:55,787 --> 00:26:00,107
Speaker 4: which wasn't picked up until quite away later. So clearly

518
00:26:00,467 --> 00:26:02,547
Speaker 4: you can so whether that's always been there or whether

519
00:26:02,587 --> 00:26:05,947
Speaker 4: it's a recent change. Jase, Clearly now you can. Even

520
00:26:05,947 --> 00:26:08,347
Speaker 4: if they can version goes over, you can still chop the.

521
00:26:08,387 --> 00:26:10,107
Speaker 3: Trail on foul pray.

522
00:26:10,147 --> 00:26:11,867
Speaker 15: I would have thought yes, but not something like that.

523
00:26:11,907 --> 00:26:15,067
Speaker 15: But anyway, hey, listen. My take on this and I

524
00:26:15,227 --> 00:26:17,507
Speaker 15: was watching. I only joined the second half live. I've

525
00:26:17,547 --> 00:26:19,907
Speaker 15: watched the whole replay is why didn't they play like

526
00:26:19,987 --> 00:26:23,547
Speaker 15: that last week? Because I know every opposition comes different, right,

527
00:26:23,667 --> 00:26:26,747
Speaker 15: but they were faultless in their head piece and never

528
00:26:26,827 --> 00:26:28,907
Speaker 15: lost the line out. I don't think any scrum feed

529
00:26:29,987 --> 00:26:33,027
Speaker 15: when a miss. They only had to play somewhere with

530
00:26:33,147 --> 00:26:37,347
Speaker 15: that passion and intensity last week, and I don't think

531
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Speaker 15: England would have stayed with us. And that's my summation

532
00:26:40,747 --> 00:26:42,267
Speaker 15: of today. I was quite happy with it.

533
00:26:43,467 --> 00:26:45,787
Speaker 4: My reaction to that, Jass is that yeah, no, no,

534
00:26:46,107 --> 00:26:48,947
Speaker 4: I was too, and I enjoyed the game. I guess

535
00:26:48,987 --> 00:26:52,907
Speaker 4: the reaction back on that point is that Wales are

536
00:26:52,987 --> 00:26:57,107
Speaker 4: not England. Wales aren't even Scotland. They allowed the All

537
00:26:57,147 --> 00:26:59,667
Speaker 4: Blacks the space and the time to do the things

538
00:26:59,747 --> 00:27:03,267
Speaker 4: they did this morning. England simply did not allow the

539
00:27:03,347 --> 00:27:05,187
Speaker 4: All Blacks to play that way last week.

540
00:27:06,027 --> 00:27:08,187
Speaker 15: True know, look, look, look, yeah, and I was expecting

541
00:27:08,267 --> 00:27:12,027
Speaker 15: that rebound, so look that that's probably fair. But look,

542
00:27:12,067 --> 00:27:13,467
Speaker 15: you know we said a few weeks ago, I remember

543
00:27:13,467 --> 00:27:15,307
Speaker 15: you're coming on saying. Someone said, do you think we'll

544
00:27:15,507 --> 00:27:17,907
Speaker 15: see sever Reese again? Well, he's a bit of a

545
00:27:17,947 --> 00:27:21,907
Speaker 15: conundrum because he's he produced a little bit of spark there.

546
00:27:22,227 --> 00:27:25,387
Speaker 15: Did you get two tries? I think you did. Yep.

547
00:27:25,827 --> 00:27:28,467
Speaker 15: So no, Look I think look, if you're really wanted

548
00:27:28,507 --> 00:27:31,947
Speaker 15: to rape the tour, it was up. They'll be annoyed

549
00:27:31,947 --> 00:27:34,627
Speaker 15: about last week just because I think they let themselves down.

550
00:27:34,947 --> 00:27:37,187
Speaker 15: I don't think England's that great. To be fair, we

551
00:27:37,267 --> 00:27:39,547
Speaker 15: weren't great, but they're not that. I don't think they're great,

552
00:27:39,627 --> 00:27:42,747
Speaker 15: But you're right, the big litmus tests will come next

553
00:27:42,827 --> 00:27:43,747
Speaker 15: year again. South Africa.

554
00:27:43,867 --> 00:27:47,227
Speaker 16: They just look, they just look beyond approach, you.

555
00:27:47,227 --> 00:27:49,787
Speaker 15: Know, they just they just seem to be able to

556
00:27:49,867 --> 00:27:53,667
Speaker 15: weather storms. They they they've got confidence right across one

557
00:27:53,707 --> 00:27:56,307
Speaker 15: to twenty two. If we if you say, if we

558
00:27:56,387 --> 00:27:59,307
Speaker 15: get out of that somewhere, you know, on par next year,

559
00:27:59,387 --> 00:28:02,387
Speaker 15: I'll be real happy about World Cup aspirations because you know,

560
00:28:02,467 --> 00:28:05,107
Speaker 15: we're doing it different this time. We're not taking in

561
00:28:05,227 --> 00:28:08,387
Speaker 15: World Cup year. We're where sort of you know, we're

562
00:28:08,387 --> 00:28:10,907
Speaker 15: going to do a little bit differently. We're going to

563
00:28:10,947 --> 00:28:13,507
Speaker 15: build towards it. So we've got enough UFA, we've got

564
00:28:13,627 --> 00:28:16,507
Speaker 15: enough experience. We just need to get rid of the

565
00:28:16,547 --> 00:28:19,107
Speaker 15: silly little ten minutes where we just go missing in action.

566
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Speaker 4: And then right's good, Thanks Jase, good summation from you.

567
00:28:24,067 --> 00:28:26,587
Speaker 4: As always. You're right about peaking. We used to be

568
00:28:26,827 --> 00:28:29,307
Speaker 4: very good at peaking between World Cups, didn't we. I

569
00:28:29,427 --> 00:28:32,747
Speaker 4: remember how good we were in nineteen ninety seven, for example,

570
00:28:32,827 --> 00:28:36,147
Speaker 4: absolutely brilliant that year. Nineteen eighty nine, we were terrific.

571
00:28:36,507 --> 00:28:38,427
Speaker 4: We were pretty good in two thousand and five when

572
00:28:38,467 --> 00:28:41,947
Speaker 4: the lines came down here even twenty seventeen, if we

573
00:28:42,427 --> 00:28:45,707
Speaker 4: use a more recent example, Yeah, so you're right, there's

574
00:28:45,707 --> 00:28:47,707
Speaker 4: no point playing our best rugby now. I think what

575
00:28:47,787 --> 00:28:50,467
Speaker 4: we all want to see though, is that the Green

576
00:28:50,587 --> 00:28:54,347
Speaker 4: shoots the building blocks for what twenty twenty seven will bring.

577
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Speaker 17: Blair Hi, Yeah, goodbye, Panie. I want to be the

578
00:28:59,747 --> 00:29:04,027
Speaker 17: exact opposite of all your happy campers. I want to

579
00:29:04,107 --> 00:29:06,387
Speaker 17: be a little bit of a Debbie down here. I

580
00:29:06,467 --> 00:29:08,667
Speaker 17: didn't think that was a great performance, to be honest,

581
00:29:09,387 --> 00:29:13,427
Speaker 17: I think you know, I heard Jason Holland say they we're.

582
00:29:13,267 --> 00:29:14,387
Speaker 3: Happy with the high ball.

583
00:29:14,587 --> 00:29:17,707
Speaker 17: Well, we still filled almost half the high ball that

584
00:29:17,907 --> 00:29:22,387
Speaker 17: was put up. You know, it's we've still got problems

585
00:29:23,227 --> 00:29:27,587
Speaker 17: in defense. We missed seventeen eighteen percent of our tackles.

586
00:29:27,667 --> 00:29:32,987
Speaker 17: We can sended four tries to Wales. You know, it's

587
00:29:33,107 --> 00:29:36,187
Speaker 17: hard to say. You know, there was always a risk

588
00:29:36,267 --> 00:29:39,147
Speaker 17: of this game we're going to have a big blow

589
00:29:40,387 --> 00:29:42,987
Speaker 17: and everyone was going to go, yep, we've fixed it,

590
00:29:43,267 --> 00:29:47,507
Speaker 17: We've done it. But the same things were still wrong

591
00:29:48,107 --> 00:29:51,467
Speaker 17: the first ten minutes after the after half time. I

592
00:29:51,507 --> 00:29:54,067
Speaker 17: don't know what Scott Robinson tells them at halftime, but

593
00:29:54,827 --> 00:29:57,307
Speaker 17: you know, the Welsh came storming back into the game.

594
00:29:57,867 --> 00:30:00,747
Speaker 13: We were flat, we were awful again.

595
00:30:00,827 --> 00:30:03,907
Speaker 17: As I say, we're missing the high ball we can

596
00:30:04,027 --> 00:30:06,147
Speaker 17: set it four tries to the twelfth best team in

597
00:30:06,187 --> 00:30:09,947
Speaker 17: the world. I'm not I'm afraid I can't get excited

598
00:30:10,947 --> 00:30:12,067
Speaker 17: about what we saw today.

599
00:30:12,427 --> 00:30:13,747
Speaker 18: Please it's a line.

600
00:30:13,827 --> 00:30:16,187
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, sorry, blow, I'll let you continue. It's a

601
00:30:16,267 --> 00:30:18,587
Speaker 4: very fair assessment. Look, and I don't think the All

602
00:30:18,627 --> 00:30:20,867
Speaker 4: Blacks are getting carried away with it either. I think

603
00:30:20,907 --> 00:30:23,027
Speaker 4: they're happy they won the Test match. I think there

604
00:30:23,027 --> 00:30:25,867
Speaker 4: are some tough conversations to come, and I think there

605
00:30:25,867 --> 00:30:29,067
Speaker 4: are some some big improvements still needed. Absolutely. Look, I

606
00:30:29,147 --> 00:30:31,867
Speaker 4: think you make you make salient points. But I don't

607
00:30:31,907 --> 00:30:33,627
Speaker 4: think that the All Blacks are getting carried away with this.

608
00:30:33,747 --> 00:30:36,227
Speaker 4: They're not saying everything's fine in the world now because

609
00:30:36,267 --> 00:30:38,907
Speaker 4: we've beaten the twelfth best team in the world, even

610
00:30:39,507 --> 00:30:43,707
Speaker 4: even in conceding four tries against them. They'll be satisfied.

611
00:30:43,787 --> 00:30:48,147
Speaker 4: But that'll be about it. I would say, Yeah, Well.

612
00:30:48,147 --> 00:30:50,507
Speaker 17: I think overall, as I said to you last week,

613
00:30:50,587 --> 00:30:53,467
Speaker 17: I haven't changed my mind. I think I give the

614
00:30:53,547 --> 00:30:55,747
Speaker 17: whole year of five to ten for the All Blacks,

615
00:30:55,787 --> 00:30:56,787
Speaker 17: and I give the whole year of.

616
00:30:56,827 --> 00:30:58,027
Speaker 3: Four ten for the coaching.

617
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Speaker 17: I just think, you know, even the Welsh at times

618
00:31:02,827 --> 00:31:06,027
Speaker 17: the back line was excellent to be honest, but you know,

619
00:31:06,587 --> 00:31:09,667
Speaker 17: just watching the high ball go up and just not

620
00:31:10,387 --> 00:31:13,227
Speaker 17: feeling confident that we were going to take it. That's

621
00:31:13,467 --> 00:31:15,827
Speaker 17: that's going to be a major problem. The line out

622
00:31:15,867 --> 00:31:20,867
Speaker 17: has probably been the shining star this year. I think

623
00:31:20,907 --> 00:31:25,667
Speaker 17: the scrums saw major problems. I'm not convinced about Jason

624
00:31:25,747 --> 00:31:28,227
Speaker 17: Ryan as a scrum coach, to be honest, and I'm

625
00:31:28,227 --> 00:31:33,547
Speaker 17: an old prop. The scrum still doesn't look great to me,

626
00:31:33,627 --> 00:31:39,907
Speaker 17: but the lineout's been fantastic. Yeah, I'm happy we beat Wales,

627
00:31:40,027 --> 00:31:42,307
Speaker 17: but that's about as far as it goes for me.

628
00:31:43,547 --> 00:31:46,307
Speaker 4: Blair, thank you for calling mate. Look, as you know,

629
00:31:46,427 --> 00:31:48,427
Speaker 4: we welcome all opinion here and it's good to have,

630
00:31:49,067 --> 00:31:51,587
Speaker 4: you know, to have a I was going to say

631
00:31:51,587 --> 00:31:53,747
Speaker 4: a handbreak. That's probably the wrong phrase. I think it's

632
00:31:53,787 --> 00:31:57,587
Speaker 4: just realism from you, certainly, but your experience in forward packs.

633
00:31:58,347 --> 00:31:59,867
Speaker 4: I'll take on board what you say. You're right about

634
00:31:59,867 --> 00:32:02,147
Speaker 4: the lineout. I think they won fifteen from fifteen this morning.

635
00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:04,027
Speaker 4: I think I don't think we had we won all

636
00:32:04,067 --> 00:32:06,147
Speaker 4: our scrums, not that there were that many this morning.

637
00:32:06,187 --> 00:32:08,147
Speaker 4: End you think the first scrum was about half an

638
00:32:08,187 --> 00:32:11,067
Speaker 4: hour in. But thanks plead. Look, you know, Debbie down

639
00:32:11,187 --> 00:32:13,587
Speaker 4: is the wrong phrase. I think it's just realism and

640
00:32:13,707 --> 00:32:17,747
Speaker 4: that's cool. That's totally cool. Please call back any time, mate, Renee.

641
00:32:17,787 --> 00:32:21,427
Speaker 19: Hello, yeah, morning afternoon, finey, how are you?

642
00:32:21,787 --> 00:32:24,267
Speaker 4: I'm very well? Thank you good?

643
00:32:25,467 --> 00:32:26,747
Speaker 14: Yeah. I just want to touch on the game.

644
00:32:27,027 --> 00:32:30,507
Speaker 19: I only saw the second half, but a little bit

645
00:32:30,787 --> 00:32:33,747
Speaker 19: first ten minutes, first ten minutes, wasn't that great for me?

646
00:32:33,867 --> 00:32:36,427
Speaker 19: The Irish Welsh managed to get back into the game

647
00:32:36,467 --> 00:32:36,667
Speaker 19: a bit.

648
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Speaker 4: You picked the wrong ten minutes to what you picked

649
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Speaker 4: the wrong ten minutes to watch. It's been the achilles

650
00:32:43,067 --> 00:32:45,667
Speaker 4: hell all year as that little period after halftime. It

651
00:32:45,707 --> 00:32:47,747
Speaker 4: didn't get better after that, though, thankfully.

652
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Speaker 19: Did a little bit disappointed on the ref. I forgot

653
00:32:52,747 --> 00:32:54,067
Speaker 19: her name again, someone Holland.

654
00:32:53,947 --> 00:32:55,427
Speaker 4: Was it Holly Davidson?

655
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Speaker 19: Is her name Holly Davidson? When she ruled that try

656
00:32:59,427 --> 00:33:01,507
Speaker 19: and then the TMO came in saying it was held up,

657
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Speaker 19: and she had said that it was still down from

658
00:33:03,787 --> 00:33:06,547
Speaker 19: what she saw, and then she let themo. Overall, I

659
00:33:06,587 --> 00:33:10,787
Speaker 19: thought that was a little bit disappointing. She was adamant

660
00:33:10,827 --> 00:33:12,987
Speaker 19: that the try was scored, so I thought the TMO

661
00:33:13,107 --> 00:33:15,627
Speaker 19: had a bit of influence on that one. Also, I'm

662
00:33:15,667 --> 00:33:17,827
Speaker 19: not a fan of the chopping and changing the players.

663
00:33:18,707 --> 00:33:21,347
Speaker 19: I'm the old school, so I like to see players

664
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Speaker 19: set in their position and they stand that position. I'm

665
00:33:24,107 --> 00:33:26,427
Speaker 19: a fan of Lester at center. I think I think

666
00:33:26,467 --> 00:33:27,747
Speaker 19: if he had a bit more time than there, he

667
00:33:27,747 --> 00:33:30,827
Speaker 19: would cement that that position pretty well. Caleb Park on

668
00:33:30,867 --> 00:33:33,587
Speaker 19: the wing, and I'd actually like the severy Reese played

669
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Speaker 19: his heart out when he came on that field, and

670
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Speaker 19: I think that probably would have made a difference against

671
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Speaker 19: England as well with those players on there. And I'd

672
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Speaker 19: prefer Will Jordan that fallback not wing. So if you

673
00:33:43,747 --> 00:33:46,267
Speaker 19: had had those players on and keep them in those positions,

674
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Speaker 19: I think you'd probably find the game would probably be

675
00:33:48,307 --> 00:33:49,987
Speaker 19: a little bit more different as they keep going on

676
00:33:51,427 --> 00:33:51,907
Speaker 19: good points.

677
00:33:51,947 --> 00:33:54,787
Speaker 4: Well made Renee the Yeah, I was actually quite pleased

678
00:33:54,787 --> 00:33:58,427
Speaker 4: for sever Reese because you know, I think most people,

679
00:33:58,587 --> 00:34:01,427
Speaker 4: myself included, probably thought he'd done his dashing the All

680
00:34:01,467 --> 00:34:03,267
Speaker 4: Blacks and who knows, that might be his last test.

681
00:34:03,547 --> 00:34:06,987
Speaker 4: But you're right, he came on. That leg ankle breaker

682
00:34:07,027 --> 00:34:08,787
Speaker 4: that he that he used to score one of his

683
00:34:08,907 --> 00:34:10,627
Speaker 4: tries was terrific. He still obviously got a bit of

684
00:34:10,667 --> 00:34:13,547
Speaker 4: zip and sing about him. I'll be intrigued to see

685
00:34:14,227 --> 00:34:17,467
Speaker 4: what his use is and in All Blacks teams moving forward.

686
00:34:18,147 --> 00:34:20,227
Speaker 4: As I say, it's possible he might not be involved

687
00:34:20,267 --> 00:34:22,747
Speaker 4: next year. Then again, on the evidents of this morning,

688
00:34:22,867 --> 00:34:27,107
Speaker 4: the spark he provided might be a fairly compelling proposition

689
00:34:27,187 --> 00:34:30,507
Speaker 4: for Scott Robertson next year and beyond. Thanks for calling, Rene,

690
00:34:30,667 --> 00:34:33,187
Speaker 4: It's sixteen to one back with more in just a moment.

691
00:34:33,587 --> 00:34:38,347
Speaker 1: Don't get caught offside. Eight Weekends for Us with Jason

692
00:34:38,427 --> 00:34:42,507
Speaker 1: Paine and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder

693
00:34:42,627 --> 00:34:43,547
Speaker 1: News Talks NV.

694
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Speaker 7: Now love love for one of left pens like Hala Park,

695
00:34:47,827 --> 00:34:51,667
Speaker 7: He'll hate the ball Hip Wink Corner Haylor Park the

696
00:34:51,827 --> 00:34:53,987
Speaker 7: first of the afternoon for the All Blacks.

697
00:34:53,867 --> 00:34:56,627
Speaker 4: Twelve forty seven Talking All Blacks, Gregor Paul after one

698
00:34:56,987 --> 00:34:59,107
Speaker 4: taking your calls though until then, Hello Mark.

699
00:35:00,547 --> 00:35:03,187
Speaker 3: Hey Piney, Yeah, I need to get it off my chest.

700
00:35:03,667 --> 00:35:06,547
Speaker 3: Cads are ruining international rugby. I'll just leave it at that,

701
00:35:06,947 --> 00:35:10,387
Speaker 3: just getting to the point of stupidity, textually ruining, ruin,

702
00:35:10,707 --> 00:35:13,987
Speaker 3: ruining the viewers enjoyment of the game, really, because it

703
00:35:14,147 --> 00:35:16,827
Speaker 3: just dictates the whole play, the whole game, everything and

704
00:35:16,907 --> 00:35:19,947
Speaker 3: they and they're being applied just so arbitrarily that it's

705
00:35:20,107 --> 00:35:22,187
Speaker 3: just as I said, it's just ruining the game.

706
00:35:23,027 --> 00:35:24,467
Speaker 4: You see how many they were in that is Did

707
00:35:24,507 --> 00:35:26,267
Speaker 4: you see how many that were in that island? South

708
00:35:26,307 --> 00:35:27,467
Speaker 4: Africa games.

709
00:35:28,307 --> 00:35:31,107
Speaker 3: Down to twelve At one point I thought I thought

710
00:35:31,187 --> 00:35:34,107
Speaker 3: the Irish were really courageous. I think over the last

711
00:35:34,147 --> 00:35:37,227
Speaker 3: few years they've probably been one of the most courageous

712
00:35:37,747 --> 00:35:40,627
Speaker 3: teams in international rugby. The Irish they just give it

713
00:35:40,707 --> 00:35:44,547
Speaker 3: everything and leave it all out there. Really the players

714
00:35:44,947 --> 00:35:47,667
Speaker 3: great to see Summersonny having a good game. He's one

715
00:35:47,707 --> 00:35:50,387
Speaker 3: of my favorite players. I think the All Blacks without

716
00:35:50,467 --> 00:35:53,747
Speaker 3: Jordi Barrett are really not as good defensively. I think

717
00:35:53,787 --> 00:35:55,707
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks have shown there. I think

718
00:35:55,787 --> 00:35:58,587
Speaker 3: he's such a good player, and I think that midfield

719
00:35:58,667 --> 00:36:01,987
Speaker 3: combination really needs to be worked on. I don't think,

720
00:36:02,067 --> 00:36:05,267
Speaker 3: to me, Proctors, if you've got him at center, I

721
00:36:05,427 --> 00:36:07,587
Speaker 3: don't think you're going to when the Rugby World Cup

722
00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:10,107
Speaker 3: was in there. To be honest, I think they need

723
00:36:10,187 --> 00:36:14,987
Speaker 3: to make a decision to get that combination right. I

724
00:36:15,107 --> 00:36:17,867
Speaker 3: think Lesifi and Luku's got to be almost on the field.

725
00:36:17,907 --> 00:36:20,627
Speaker 3: He's made such an impact coming back and he really

726
00:36:20,667 --> 00:36:23,307
Speaker 3: gets over the game line. He's got great offloads. But

727
00:36:23,467 --> 00:36:26,827
Speaker 3: like Sonny bill in, Yeah, he makes quite a difference.

728
00:36:27,147 --> 00:36:30,587
Speaker 3: But I guess for this All Black season, I think

729
00:36:30,627 --> 00:36:34,707
Speaker 3: it's been disappointing to me. I think the promise of

730
00:36:34,827 --> 00:36:37,387
Speaker 3: Razer coming in that we were going to have something

731
00:36:37,507 --> 00:36:40,547
Speaker 3: special and I just don't think he's the best coach

732
00:36:40,627 --> 00:36:42,707
Speaker 3: in the world at the moment. I don't think there's

733
00:36:42,747 --> 00:36:46,147
Speaker 3: been too much innovation. I don't think we've actually moved on,

734
00:36:46,267 --> 00:36:49,667
Speaker 3: and I probably don't think this team's play as well

735
00:36:49,707 --> 00:36:52,627
Speaker 3: as you know his team in the last World Cup final,

736
00:36:52,747 --> 00:36:56,027
Speaker 3: to be honest, I mean where we pretty much work

737
00:36:56,107 --> 00:36:58,547
Speaker 3: down to fourteen players and still had a chance to

738
00:36:58,627 --> 00:37:00,747
Speaker 3: win it if the kicks have gone over. I just

739
00:37:00,827 --> 00:37:03,307
Speaker 3: don't think we're at that level. So I think in

740
00:37:03,387 --> 00:37:05,147
Speaker 3: a way we've gone backwards a season.

741
00:37:05,267 --> 00:37:09,187
Speaker 4: What do you think just on the Fozzy team. It

742
00:37:09,307 --> 00:37:11,547
Speaker 4: did take four years for the Fozzy team to reach

743
00:37:11,627 --> 00:37:15,067
Speaker 4: that point, so that is the difference. But on your

744
00:37:15,267 --> 00:37:17,387
Speaker 4: point of whether they're a better team now than they

745
00:37:17,427 --> 00:37:20,227
Speaker 4: were when Razor took over, I don't think they are.

746
00:37:20,467 --> 00:37:20,507
Speaker 5: No.

747
00:37:21,227 --> 00:37:26,387
Speaker 4: I can't see enough improvement and even probably enough promise

748
00:37:26,587 --> 00:37:30,547
Speaker 4: of that improvement to say unequivocally that they are better

749
00:37:30,627 --> 00:37:32,587
Speaker 4: than they were when he took over. He's had the

750
00:37:32,627 --> 00:37:35,147
Speaker 4: two years now. I think people gave him last year

751
00:37:35,147 --> 00:37:37,387
Speaker 4: and said, Okay, what first year, Let's see what you

752
00:37:37,507 --> 00:37:39,907
Speaker 4: do in your second year. But having reached the halfway

753
00:37:39,947 --> 00:37:41,467
Speaker 4: point of the World Cup cycle, I think there are

754
00:37:41,507 --> 00:37:43,667
Speaker 4: still major doubts about the direction of the team.

755
00:37:44,747 --> 00:37:49,787
Speaker 3: I just think that I can't understand why Holland and

756
00:37:49,867 --> 00:37:52,667
Speaker 3: McDonald had left the squad. Can you do you know?

757
00:37:52,827 --> 00:37:53,827
Speaker 3: Do you know the answers for that?

758
00:37:54,267 --> 00:37:55,267
Speaker 12: I don't say or not?

759
00:37:55,787 --> 00:37:55,827
Speaker 6: No.

760
00:37:55,987 --> 00:37:59,467
Speaker 3: I it's a bit like the Nolan Tora incident. You know,

761
00:38:00,107 --> 00:38:02,787
Speaker 3: you've got these players who don't seem like they want

762
00:38:02,827 --> 00:38:05,547
Speaker 3: to leave, leaving the coaching squad for whatever reason.

763
00:38:05,907 --> 00:38:09,787
Speaker 4: Yeah, this way Mark coaching the All Blacks or being

764
00:38:09,827 --> 00:38:13,027
Speaker 4: in the All Blacks coaching group is widely acknowledged as

765
00:38:13,067 --> 00:38:18,787
Speaker 4: the pinnacle of coaching as a New Zealander, and it

766
00:38:18,867 --> 00:38:20,947
Speaker 4: feels to me and I don't know anything about what

767
00:38:21,107 --> 00:38:23,467
Speaker 4: has happened here with Leam McDonald last year and with

768
00:38:23,587 --> 00:38:26,907
Speaker 4: Jason Holland this year, but you don't leave the All

769
00:38:26,987 --> 00:38:32,467
Speaker 4: Blacks if everything's going well thanks for your call, Mark,

770
00:38:32,707 --> 00:38:35,107
Speaker 4: David high Ok Jason.

771
00:38:35,987 --> 00:38:41,107
Speaker 20: Just regarding the All Blacks season, I mean, on paper,

772
00:38:42,507 --> 00:38:46,027
Speaker 20: ten wins out of thirteen games is pretty good. But

773
00:38:46,707 --> 00:38:50,347
Speaker 20: for me, the most disappointing thing, which no one has

774
00:38:50,387 --> 00:38:54,627
Speaker 20: talked about, was the hiding they got them Wellington, which

775
00:38:54,747 --> 00:38:57,347
Speaker 20: is the biggest loss that the All Blacks have ever had,

776
00:38:58,227 --> 00:39:05,387
Speaker 20: and you know it's sort of even before in the

777
00:39:05,467 --> 00:39:07,867
Speaker 20: past they have never of that loss. I've never lost

778
00:39:07,907 --> 00:39:10,307
Speaker 20: by a big margin like that. So for me, that

779
00:39:10,507 --> 00:39:12,667
Speaker 20: was the most disappointing part of the season.

780
00:39:13,227 --> 00:39:16,307
Speaker 4: Funnily enough, the bigger disappointment for me. So you're right

781
00:39:16,347 --> 00:39:18,387
Speaker 4: about that South African test, David, and goodness me, the

782
00:39:18,427 --> 00:39:21,187
Speaker 4: flowing the phones blew up after that. I remember it,

783
00:39:21,267 --> 00:39:23,467
Speaker 4: but it was I almost treated it as a bit

784
00:39:23,467 --> 00:39:26,027
Speaker 4: of an outlier, as a bit of an absolute anomally.

785
00:39:26,107 --> 00:39:28,227
Speaker 4: The bigger disappointment for me was the lost to England

786
00:39:28,347 --> 00:39:31,267
Speaker 4: last week and the All Blacks being unable to find

787
00:39:31,307 --> 00:39:36,827
Speaker 4: a way to to to win the game effectively. It

788
00:39:36,947 --> 00:39:39,627
Speaker 4: was a bigger disappointment last week to me was I

789
00:39:39,747 --> 00:39:42,587
Speaker 4: was guthered after Wellington. Don't get me wrong, but I

790
00:39:42,667 --> 00:39:45,187
Speaker 4: think if the All Blacks look back, they will they

791
00:39:45,267 --> 00:39:51,147
Speaker 4: will have you know, greater frustration over last weekend than

792
00:39:51,547 --> 00:39:53,267
Speaker 4: the game in Wellington in September.

793
00:39:54,227 --> 00:39:55,227
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah.

794
00:39:55,307 --> 00:39:59,987
Speaker 21: Interestingly, before the tour of the tab had them as

795
00:40:00,067 --> 00:40:02,827
Speaker 21: the favorite out of the four games, so I thought

796
00:40:02,867 --> 00:40:04,787
Speaker 21: that they would only win three, so they must have

797
00:40:05,507 --> 00:40:08,747
Speaker 21: and they still had a favorites marginally against the England.

798
00:40:08,947 --> 00:40:10,387
Speaker 21: But they said they must have thought they were going

799
00:40:10,427 --> 00:40:11,947
Speaker 21: to lose to Ireland, if they were going to lose

800
00:40:11,987 --> 00:40:15,947
Speaker 21: it all. But yeah, I actually suspected that England were

801
00:40:15,947 --> 00:40:17,787
Speaker 21: going to win that game. You know, they were going

802
00:40:17,867 --> 00:40:21,907
Speaker 21: to be a bit tired and pretty much focused on

803
00:40:22,467 --> 00:40:23,587
Speaker 21: you know, China win all.

804
00:40:25,067 --> 00:40:26,787
Speaker 4: Yeah, good on your David, thanks for your call. And

805
00:40:26,827 --> 00:40:28,667
Speaker 4: I think we need to give England some credit. Someone

806
00:40:28,747 --> 00:40:31,467
Speaker 4: said before they're a pretty ordinary side. That's ten wins

807
00:40:31,507 --> 00:40:33,627
Speaker 4: in a row. Now they've got Argentina tomorrow morning. I'd

808
00:40:33,667 --> 00:40:36,387
Speaker 4: imagine I'd win that, although Argentina as win a good

809
00:40:36,427 --> 00:40:41,427
Speaker 4: sight they beat us. But yeah, England are an improving side.

810
00:40:41,787 --> 00:40:44,227
Speaker 4: I think if you if you compare where England are

811
00:40:44,667 --> 00:40:46,667
Speaker 4: compared to where they were two years ago when they

812
00:40:46,707 --> 00:40:49,067
Speaker 4: came down here for Raz's first couple of tests in charge,

813
00:40:49,067 --> 00:40:51,107
Speaker 4: and where they are now I think they have improved,

814
00:40:51,347 --> 00:40:52,947
Speaker 4: have they All Blacks? I don't think so.

815
00:40:53,227 --> 00:40:53,787
Speaker 5: Seven to one.

816
00:40:54,627 --> 00:40:56,867
Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

817
00:40:58,747 --> 00:41:02,387
Speaker 1: eight Weekend Sport with Jason Hyne, News Talk ZIMB.

818
00:41:02,907 --> 00:41:05,267
Speaker 4: Four to one after one. Gregor Paul, who watched on

819
00:41:05,427 --> 00:41:09,267
Speaker 4: from Cardiff this morning alongside Elliott Smith on our news Talks,

820
00:41:09,307 --> 00:41:12,867
Speaker 4: he'd be commentary. Really interesting article. In fact, it was

821
00:41:13,147 --> 00:41:16,307
Speaker 4: an opinion piece that Gregor wrote during the week about

822
00:41:16,347 --> 00:41:20,507
Speaker 4: the nuclear option available to David Kirk's chair of the

823
00:41:20,547 --> 00:41:22,947
Speaker 4: board with regards to the All Blacks coaching team. The

824
00:41:23,067 --> 00:41:27,347
Speaker 4: nuclear option being make a change at the very top.

825
00:41:27,507 --> 00:41:27,867
Speaker 6: More on that.

826
00:41:28,107 --> 00:41:32,507
Speaker 4: After one's the only place to discuss the biggest fours

827
00:41:32,587 --> 00:41:37,147
Speaker 4: issues on and after fields, it's all on Winter and Sport.

828
00:41:36,947 --> 00:41:42,147
Speaker 11: With Jason Vane on your home of sports news Talks.

829
00:41:42,827 --> 00:41:44,667
Speaker 4: For one o seven. I do want to talk about

830
00:41:44,707 --> 00:41:50,347
Speaker 4: the Ashes, the two day test to kick off the Ashes.

831
00:41:50,387 --> 00:41:52,587
Speaker 4: We were supposed to have twenty five days of Test

832
00:41:52,667 --> 00:41:55,507
Speaker 4: cricket to look forward to. It's already down to twenty

833
00:41:55,627 --> 00:41:59,747
Speaker 4: two and that feels optimistic now. Adam Peacock, he normally

834
00:41:59,787 --> 00:42:01,787
Speaker 4: chats to us on a Saturday, was in Perth yesterday

835
00:42:01,827 --> 00:42:04,427
Speaker 4: he's already back in Sydney. It's done, the test is over.

836
00:42:05,147 --> 00:42:06,587
Speaker 4: He's going to add to us in our so be

837
00:42:06,667 --> 00:42:08,947
Speaker 4: keen to hear your thoughts too. Have we just forgotten,

838
00:42:09,867 --> 00:42:12,587
Speaker 4: Let's say we have guys just forgotten how to play

839
00:42:12,627 --> 00:42:16,067
Speaker 4: test cricket. Are they just not interested in doing that anymore?

840
00:42:16,147 --> 00:42:20,867
Speaker 4: Occupying the crease, building partnerships, playing each ball on its merits,

841
00:42:20,907 --> 00:42:24,547
Speaker 4: that sort of thing. Clearly not your thoughts on the ashes.

842
00:42:24,587 --> 00:42:27,227
Speaker 4: After two, we're going to do Formula one as well,

843
00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:29,467
Speaker 4: with Liam Wiwson's sixth on the grid for the Las

844
00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:31,907
Speaker 4: Vegas Grand Prix, which goes at five o'clock this afternoon.

845
00:42:32,427 --> 00:42:34,987
Speaker 4: Rugby though our focus and continues to be a couple

846
00:42:35,067 --> 00:42:37,267
Speaker 4: on texts before we move. Wall of Satiti was good,

847
00:42:37,307 --> 00:42:39,867
Speaker 4: says Andy, but take time to watch the work of

848
00:42:39,907 --> 00:42:43,347
Speaker 4: Simon Parker at the breakdown, massive impact cleaning out. The

849
00:42:43,547 --> 00:42:46,387
Speaker 4: likes of Satiti can only do what they do because

850
00:42:46,467 --> 00:42:49,787
Speaker 4: others are doing their job, Thanks Andy, And says Jason,

851
00:42:49,827 --> 00:42:53,547
Speaker 4: no one's mentioned Damien's perfect score with the Boots. Yeah,

852
00:42:53,627 --> 00:42:56,827
Speaker 4: eight from eight and some difficult ones too, and a

853
00:42:56,947 --> 00:42:59,307
Speaker 4: number of those tries were scored in white areas, weren't

854
00:42:59,307 --> 00:43:04,227
Speaker 4: they so yep, Damien Mackenzie without error off the kicking

855
00:43:04,307 --> 00:43:07,667
Speaker 4: Tea finally says Pete. Could the reason our All Blacks

856
00:43:07,707 --> 00:43:10,027
Speaker 4: have not progressed as much as we would like be

857
00:43:10,227 --> 00:43:12,747
Speaker 4: due to the strength of Super Rugby in the past

858
00:43:12,787 --> 00:43:15,027
Speaker 4: couple of years. Does it mean the coaches are not

859
00:43:15,147 --> 00:43:19,667
Speaker 4: getting the highest standard of player pool to select from anymore?

860
00:43:19,747 --> 00:43:21,627
Speaker 4: No one's talked about this. Thank you, Peter. I'm glad

861
00:43:21,707 --> 00:43:25,747
Speaker 4: you have brought it up. Jason, I feel Finlay Christie

862
00:43:25,747 --> 00:43:27,867
Speaker 4: should be the number two half back. He's much calmer,

863
00:43:28,107 --> 00:43:31,467
Speaker 4: he's gutsy, he knows his position. More importantly, he doesn't

864
00:43:31,467 --> 00:43:34,987
Speaker 4: often kick the ball away from a scrum or general play. Yeah,

865
00:43:35,427 --> 00:43:37,267
Speaker 4: as I said an hour or so ago, I think

866
00:43:37,387 --> 00:43:40,947
Speaker 4: Finlay Christie's been unfairly maligned. You know, he didn't pick

867
00:43:41,027 --> 00:43:44,187
Speaker 4: himself for the All Blacks. I think a lot of

868
00:43:44,227 --> 00:43:47,187
Speaker 4: people thought that there were better options out there when

869
00:43:47,227 --> 00:43:49,227
Speaker 4: Finlay Christie was selected. I think he got a lot

870
00:43:49,307 --> 00:43:52,747
Speaker 4: of a lot of blowback when Ian Foster selected him.

871
00:43:52,747 --> 00:43:54,587
Speaker 4: He had a cam Roy guard and the big matches

872
00:43:54,587 --> 00:43:56,547
Speaker 4: at the twenty twenty three Rugby World Cup. But he'll

873
00:43:56,587 --> 00:44:00,187
Speaker 4: never let you down. He's never going to be came

874
00:44:00,307 --> 00:44:03,827
Speaker 4: Roy Guard. He's never going to be Aaron Smith. All

875
00:44:03,827 --> 00:44:05,547
Speaker 4: he can be is the best version of himself. And

876
00:44:05,707 --> 00:44:08,627
Speaker 4: as I say, I remember this so clearly the South

877
00:44:08,667 --> 00:44:13,067
Speaker 4: African Test in Wellington this year when they put forty

878
00:44:13,107 --> 00:44:17,187
Speaker 4: on us and there were guys out there who I

879
00:44:17,227 --> 00:44:19,187
Speaker 4: don't know whether they gave up, but they certainly weren't

880
00:44:19,187 --> 00:44:21,187
Speaker 4: giving their roll. At the end fin Lake Christie was.

881
00:44:21,987 --> 00:44:26,467
Speaker 4: He was still throwing himself around at forty points down

882
00:44:27,027 --> 00:44:30,227
Speaker 4: late in that Test match. Don't think he'll play for

883
00:44:30,227 --> 00:44:32,627
Speaker 4: the All Blacks again. It feels as though he's on

884
00:44:32,747 --> 00:44:35,907
Speaker 4: the move, but I think he's got a legacy which

885
00:44:35,987 --> 00:44:37,227
Speaker 4: is fairly secure.

886
00:44:37,907 --> 00:44:42,067
Speaker 7: Down the blind again, Love swiping through Love, he lovely run,

887
00:44:42,187 --> 00:44:44,747
Speaker 7: Ruben Love, help to the.

888
00:44:44,827 --> 00:44:47,307
Speaker 4: Right and right hand up right, Yeah, Rubin Love with

889
00:44:47,387 --> 00:44:50,227
Speaker 4: a try on just the second start he's had the

890
00:44:50,267 --> 00:44:54,427
Speaker 4: opportunity to take in an All Blacks jersey. He tweaked

891
00:44:54,427 --> 00:44:56,707
Speaker 4: an ankle, unfortunately off for the last twenty five minutes,

892
00:44:56,747 --> 00:45:00,547
Speaker 4: but Rubin Love another to perhaps enhance his reputation. This morning,

893
00:45:00,627 --> 00:45:02,827
Speaker 4: let's get you back to Cardiff and bring a New

894
00:45:02,907 --> 00:45:05,867
Speaker 4: Zealand Herald Rugby writer Gregor Paul Gregor, I do want

895
00:45:05,867 --> 00:45:08,827
Speaker 4: to zoom out on the entire year in a moment.

896
00:45:08,907 --> 00:45:10,387
Speaker 4: But what did you make of the all black saty

897
00:45:10,427 --> 00:45:11,627
Speaker 4: minutes in Carliff this morning.

898
00:45:12,747 --> 00:45:15,067
Speaker 22: Well, they did what they needed to do, which was

899
00:45:15,147 --> 00:45:22,827
Speaker 22: to put a fairly troubled, inexperienced, underpowered Welsh team away.

900
00:45:23,507 --> 00:45:25,307
Speaker 22: It took them a wee bit longer than I think

901
00:45:25,387 --> 00:45:28,507
Speaker 22: they ideally would have liked. I think they thought they

902
00:45:28,547 --> 00:45:30,787
Speaker 22: would break them after halftime and they didn't. It took

903
00:45:30,827 --> 00:45:33,827
Speaker 22: about sixty five minutes before they really had them dead

904
00:45:33,907 --> 00:45:36,827
Speaker 22: and buried. They got some good performances out of a

905
00:45:36,907 --> 00:45:38,907
Speaker 22: few of the guys that haven't played any rugby. I

906
00:45:38,947 --> 00:45:44,187
Speaker 22: thought Leonard Brown and Yowanni formed quite a good midfield combination.

907
00:45:44,987 --> 00:45:49,107
Speaker 22: Rico Sorry Rubin Love played pretty well at fullback, a

908
00:45:49,147 --> 00:45:51,587
Speaker 22: young player that people are quite excited about. And the

909
00:45:51,747 --> 00:45:54,387
Speaker 22: forward pack did what it's been doing all year and

910
00:45:54,427 --> 00:45:57,947
Speaker 22: looked pretty solid at set piece. So they ticked a

911
00:45:57,987 --> 00:46:00,987
Speaker 22: lot of boxers and they probably made themselves feel better

912
00:46:01,667 --> 00:46:03,467
Speaker 22: about where they are in the world right now.

913
00:46:04,227 --> 00:46:07,747
Speaker 4: Does it change the way weish view twenty twenty five?

914
00:46:09,227 --> 00:46:10,227
Speaker 5: No, absolutely not.

915
00:46:10,387 --> 00:46:15,107
Speaker 22: Be a real danger to extrapolate, you know, a game

916
00:46:15,707 --> 00:46:19,587
Speaker 22: under a roof with a dry ball against the world's.

917
00:46:19,267 --> 00:46:20,267
Speaker 5: Twelfth best team.

918
00:46:20,467 --> 00:46:22,747
Speaker 22: And really, you know, this was a team that's won

919
00:46:22,867 --> 00:46:25,507
Speaker 22: one game at home in the last two years and

920
00:46:25,627 --> 00:46:27,427
Speaker 22: it was against Japan last week and that was when

921
00:46:27,467 --> 00:46:28,347
Speaker 22: the last minute kick.

922
00:46:28,947 --> 00:46:32,947
Speaker 5: You know, Wales are troubled and you can't really look at.

923
00:46:32,827 --> 00:46:36,267
Speaker 22: A game where that where space and time are commodities

924
00:46:36,307 --> 00:46:39,467
Speaker 22: that are freely given, because Wales don't have the ability

925
00:46:39,587 --> 00:46:42,507
Speaker 22: to defend or set piece the way that you know

926
00:46:42,627 --> 00:46:45,787
Speaker 22: the top tier teams can. And you look at all

927
00:46:45,867 --> 00:46:47,707
Speaker 22: that and go, well, look it was it was kind

928
00:46:47,747 --> 00:46:50,467
Speaker 22: of a fun exercise to finish the year. But the

929
00:46:50,627 --> 00:46:53,067
Speaker 22: most taling point would be they weren't playing for a

930
00:46:53,147 --> 00:46:55,267
Speaker 22: Grand Swan. They all blacks, so there you go. That

931
00:46:55,307 --> 00:46:59,027
Speaker 22: would be where you put the season into perspective and go, yep,

932
00:46:59,347 --> 00:47:02,507
Speaker 22: that's true because they were well beaten by England and

933
00:47:02,587 --> 00:47:06,267
Speaker 22: they didn't really put any other trophies in the cabin.

934
00:47:06,467 --> 00:47:08,067
Speaker 22: I mean, you can talk about the bledder Cell cut,

935
00:47:08,147 --> 00:47:11,867
Speaker 22: but yes they retained that. But to be honest, Australia

936
00:47:12,187 --> 00:47:15,427
Speaker 22: are despite some of the performances which were quite good,

937
00:47:16,067 --> 00:47:19,147
Speaker 22: remain a reasonably weak team as well. And when it

938
00:47:19,307 --> 00:47:22,547
Speaker 22: really mattered, this new Zealand team didn't win the games

939
00:47:22,547 --> 00:47:25,587
Speaker 22: that needed to. It didn't play well enough for long enough,

940
00:47:26,227 --> 00:47:30,347
Speaker 22: and it hasn't really given us a confidence or optimism

941
00:47:30,867 --> 00:47:32,587
Speaker 22: that that will change next year.

942
00:47:33,467 --> 00:47:36,147
Speaker 4: So when those in charge of these things are conducting

943
00:47:36,227 --> 00:47:41,067
Speaker 4: their review, where should they be placing the harshest spotlight.

944
00:47:42,747 --> 00:47:44,627
Speaker 5: Then they've got to look at their attack game.

945
00:47:45,627 --> 00:47:50,587
Speaker 22: Yeah, because New Zealand for years decades, tend to lead

946
00:47:50,627 --> 00:47:53,107
Speaker 22: the world in that department. They tend to be the

947
00:47:53,187 --> 00:47:55,507
Speaker 22: most innovative. They tend to be able to use the

948
00:47:55,547 --> 00:47:57,907
Speaker 22: ball better than most teams. They mix up their game

949
00:47:57,987 --> 00:48:01,907
Speaker 22: management well, kick run passing, that's where they've been world leaders.

950
00:48:01,987 --> 00:48:05,227
Speaker 22: The skill sets are tighter and better than most other teams,

951
00:48:05,227 --> 00:48:08,507
Speaker 22: and they deliver under pressure, which has been another factor.

952
00:48:08,867 --> 00:48:11,227
Speaker 5: All of these things appear to be on the on

953
00:48:11,347 --> 00:48:11,747
Speaker 5: the descent.

954
00:48:13,427 --> 00:48:15,467
Speaker 22: I would argue that so Africa and I looked at

955
00:48:15,467 --> 00:48:18,907
Speaker 22: the world's best attacking team, followed by Argentina, followed by England,

956
00:48:18,947 --> 00:48:22,187
Speaker 22: followed by France, maybe not in that order, So that

957
00:48:22,227 --> 00:48:23,947
Speaker 22: would be an area I think they need to look

958
00:48:23,947 --> 00:48:26,067
Speaker 22: at their back line full stop. They haven't found a

959
00:48:26,147 --> 00:48:30,867
Speaker 22: midfield combination that that feels like the right one. They're

960
00:48:30,947 --> 00:48:34,947
Speaker 22: back three again. Haven't found a combination there. They're working

961
00:48:35,027 --> 00:48:37,067
Speaker 22: under the high ball, and mainally it was actually not

962
00:48:37,187 --> 00:48:39,747
Speaker 22: bad tonight. They took a few good, good, clean high

963
00:48:39,827 --> 00:48:41,707
Speaker 22: catchers and they had they had a big bearing on

964
00:48:42,427 --> 00:48:45,987
Speaker 22: how the game played out. But that's an area under scrutiny.

965
00:48:46,027 --> 00:48:50,787
Speaker 22: Their general kicking game under scrutiny, and even the defense

966
00:48:50,827 --> 00:48:54,827
Speaker 22: because bizarrely that's actually the second excuse me, highest points

967
00:48:54,827 --> 00:48:57,307
Speaker 22: total Whales have ever scored against the All Blacks tonight.

968
00:48:58,067 --> 00:48:59,387
Speaker 5: So it was an open game.

969
00:48:59,467 --> 00:49:01,467
Speaker 22: It was a loose game, but you'd still be when

970
00:49:01,467 --> 00:49:03,507
Speaker 22: they look at the defense, which again has been a

971
00:49:03,587 --> 00:49:04,947
Speaker 22: little bit erratic all year.

972
00:49:06,427 --> 00:49:09,947
Speaker 4: What I read will interest your pace during the week

973
00:49:10,027 --> 00:49:15,427
Speaker 4: talking about David Kirk's nuclear option and that involved a

974
00:49:15,587 --> 00:49:18,627
Speaker 4: change at the very top of the coaching structure. Can

975
00:49:18,707 --> 00:49:21,067
Speaker 4: you see a scenario under which that happens.

976
00:49:22,147 --> 00:49:25,187
Speaker 5: Yep, Yeah, I think you've got to be realistic about

977
00:49:25,227 --> 00:49:25,787
Speaker 5: these things and go.

978
00:49:25,867 --> 00:49:28,467
Speaker 22: It'd be a tough decision, that would It would be

979
00:49:28,547 --> 00:49:31,467
Speaker 22: unprecedented for New Zealand to do that, but right at

980
00:49:31,467 --> 00:49:34,987
Speaker 22: the halfway point of a World Cup cycle, and you

981
00:49:35,147 --> 00:49:36,907
Speaker 22: have to if you want to be the best team

982
00:49:36,947 --> 00:49:39,707
Speaker 22: in the world. You've created this ambition to be number one,

983
00:49:40,467 --> 00:49:43,947
Speaker 22: to build a billion dollar brand on the back of

984
00:49:44,067 --> 00:49:44,627
Speaker 22: all blacks.

985
00:49:46,427 --> 00:49:48,147
Speaker 5: You want to win the World Cup in twenty seven.

986
00:49:48,307 --> 00:49:50,627
Speaker 22: Right now, there's a big gap between New Zealand and

987
00:49:51,107 --> 00:49:54,147
Speaker 22: South Africa, and probably a gap between New Zealand and

988
00:49:54,267 --> 00:49:58,547
Speaker 22: England and France, and possibly there I said there's one,

989
00:49:58,667 --> 00:50:02,507
Speaker 22: there's one building between New Zealand and Argentina possibly at

990
00:50:02,547 --> 00:50:04,067
Speaker 22: the moment as well. So you look at all that

991
00:50:04,187 --> 00:50:07,507
Speaker 22: and go okay, so we're in fourth or fifth place

992
00:50:07,707 --> 00:50:12,987
Speaker 22: realistically despite the world ranking senior And second, what is

993
00:50:13,027 --> 00:50:17,667
Speaker 22: the level of confidence that this current group can change

994
00:50:17,707 --> 00:50:19,027
Speaker 22: the trajectory of this team?

995
00:50:19,147 --> 00:50:20,987
Speaker 5: Can they catch South Africa?

996
00:50:21,107 --> 00:50:23,907
Speaker 22: Can they build a team, a game plan, a consistency

997
00:50:24,467 --> 00:50:27,187
Speaker 22: that is going to turn New Zealand into world champions

998
00:50:27,267 --> 00:50:30,387
Speaker 22: in two years time. If you don't believe that, and

999
00:50:30,507 --> 00:50:33,987
Speaker 22: if you think that you know that that's unlikely to happen,

1000
00:50:34,427 --> 00:50:36,987
Speaker 22: then you have to seriously consider making the change now

1001
00:50:37,107 --> 00:50:40,827
Speaker 22: to maximize the time that whoever you choose to make,

1002
00:50:41,267 --> 00:50:44,707
Speaker 22: whoever comes into as a change, that you're giving them

1003
00:50:44,787 --> 00:50:47,907
Speaker 22: the time that they will need to prepare a team

1004
00:50:47,947 --> 00:50:50,147
Speaker 22: and you know, rebuild it and do whatever they need

1005
00:50:50,227 --> 00:50:52,467
Speaker 22: to do to take it to the World Cup. So look,

1006
00:50:52,547 --> 00:50:56,147
Speaker 22: it's cutthroat and people need to be serious about that

1007
00:50:56,227 --> 00:50:57,787
Speaker 22: and they need to be mature about that and go

1008
00:50:58,267 --> 00:51:00,747
Speaker 22: this is the gig. That's what high performance looks like.

1009
00:51:02,707 --> 00:51:06,147
Speaker 4: Can you see them doing it? Would they have the courage,

1010
00:51:06,467 --> 00:51:10,027
Speaker 4: they have the bottle to do it, to change all

1011
00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:12,307
Speaker 4: blacks coaches midway through a World Cup cycle?

1012
00:51:13,067 --> 00:51:13,267
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1013
00:51:13,507 --> 00:51:16,307
Speaker 22: I think that the danger of that is it would

1014
00:51:16,307 --> 00:51:18,987
Speaker 22: be could be overblown and say, well, you know, only

1015
00:51:19,107 --> 00:51:21,627
Speaker 22: two years two years a long time in international rugby.

1016
00:51:22,227 --> 00:51:24,867
Speaker 22: Plenty of other teams have done it in World Cup

1017
00:51:24,947 --> 00:51:29,667
Speaker 22: cycles and had good results. Sometimes it hasn't delivered, sometimes

1018
00:51:29,747 --> 00:51:33,027
Speaker 22: it has, so there's no real way of knowing. I

1019
00:51:33,147 --> 00:51:35,827
Speaker 22: think the issue would be not some I mean you'd

1020
00:51:35,907 --> 00:51:38,627
Speaker 22: have to challenge at the risk of changing against the

1021
00:51:38,707 --> 00:51:39,707
Speaker 22: risk of not changing.

1022
00:51:39,987 --> 00:51:42,027
Speaker 5: That's definitely a question you need to ask.

1023
00:51:42,667 --> 00:51:44,947
Speaker 22: But circularly you would need to ask if you're going

1024
00:51:45,067 --> 00:51:48,747
Speaker 22: to make that change, you'd be doing sort of time

1025
00:51:48,787 --> 00:51:51,027
Speaker 22: where you'd have to control the process of who you

1026
00:51:51,067 --> 00:51:54,787
Speaker 22: would who would come in to replace, And that would

1027
00:51:54,827 --> 00:51:57,787
Speaker 22: be the question I think people would have is would

1028
00:51:57,907 --> 00:52:01,067
Speaker 22: would New Zealand Rugby be certain or confident right now

1029
00:52:01,227 --> 00:52:06,787
Speaker 22: given contracting situations and personnel availability, that if they were

1030
00:52:06,867 --> 00:52:09,347
Speaker 22: to make a change, would they necessarily be able to

1031
00:52:09,507 --> 00:52:11,227
Speaker 22: upgrade what they.

1032
00:52:11,227 --> 00:52:15,067
Speaker 5: Currently have now. Clearly, Jamie Jobsph has been parked as the.

1033
00:52:15,107 --> 00:52:17,827
Speaker 22: Guy in waiting, having taken control of the All Black

1034
00:52:17,907 --> 00:52:22,547
Speaker 22: fifteen last week, and clearly he's coached at the international

1035
00:52:22,667 --> 00:52:25,987
Speaker 22: level with Japan his experience, so he would be the guy.

1036
00:52:26,547 --> 00:52:29,147
Speaker 22: But the question then would be would he be able

1037
00:52:29,187 --> 00:52:33,547
Speaker 22: to gather up enough people around him to give the

1038
00:52:33,707 --> 00:52:35,787
Speaker 22: confidence that he's going to put together.

1039
00:52:35,987 --> 00:52:38,627
Speaker 5: You know, a team, And he might be able to

1040
00:52:38,707 --> 00:52:40,307
Speaker 5: keep some of the existing guys.

1041
00:52:40,387 --> 00:52:42,267
Speaker 22: He might think, yeah, look, I would probably come in

1042
00:52:42,347 --> 00:52:44,307
Speaker 22: and keep one or two of them, But that would

1043
00:52:44,307 --> 00:52:46,507
Speaker 22: be it, because it really is about a team. It's

1044
00:52:46,547 --> 00:52:48,827
Speaker 22: not about one guy. It's about can you can you

1045
00:52:48,907 --> 00:52:51,707
Speaker 22: put all the pieces in place? And that would be

1046
00:52:51,787 --> 00:52:55,187
Speaker 22: the question. So, and I don't know necessarily because I

1047
00:52:55,227 --> 00:52:57,907
Speaker 22: don't know availability, I don't know how easy it would

1048
00:52:57,907 --> 00:53:01,187
Speaker 22: be to extricate people from around the world, you know,

1049
00:53:01,267 --> 00:53:04,147
Speaker 22: if this job suddenly became available. So these would big

1050
00:53:04,227 --> 00:53:06,507
Speaker 22: questions that you'd have to, you know, weigh up than

1051
00:53:06,587 --> 00:53:07,027
Speaker 22: white Coat.

1052
00:53:07,387 --> 00:53:09,387
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and the obvious one is you point out to

1053
00:53:09,467 --> 00:53:11,867
Speaker 4: Tony Brown, but contracted with the spring Box for what

1054
00:53:11,987 --> 00:53:15,387
Speaker 4: that's worth through until twenty twenty seven. Plenty of food

1055
00:53:15,427 --> 00:53:17,067
Speaker 4: for thought. Gregor, thank you so much for joining us.

1056
00:53:17,107 --> 00:53:18,547
Speaker 4: Might have loved your coverage of this too. I look

1057
00:53:18,547 --> 00:53:19,547
Speaker 4: forward to seeing you back home.

1058
00:53:20,307 --> 00:53:20,867
Speaker 5: My pleasure.

1059
00:53:21,187 --> 00:53:24,627
Speaker 4: That's Gregor Paul from the end, said Herald read them

1060
00:53:24,627 --> 00:53:27,667
Speaker 4: at ends at Herald dot co dot nz some very

1061
00:53:27,747 --> 00:53:31,667
Speaker 4: interesting thoughts there. Would they do it? Would they have

1062
00:53:31,827 --> 00:53:35,027
Speaker 4: the courage to do it? As Gregor says, he lays

1063
00:53:35,067 --> 00:53:38,667
Speaker 4: it out in fairly logical terms. If you believe that

1064
00:53:38,827 --> 00:53:43,467
Speaker 4: there is a better option in the next two years

1065
00:53:43,547 --> 00:53:45,507
Speaker 4: to win us the Rugby World Cup, then you have

1066
00:53:45,707 --> 00:53:49,067
Speaker 4: to consider it. Look, I think it would be a

1067
00:53:49,227 --> 00:53:52,947
Speaker 4: massive call, a massive call to change. If you look

1068
00:53:53,027 --> 00:53:57,267
Speaker 4: back to the last World Cup cycle, Ian Foster, depending

1069
00:53:57,307 --> 00:54:01,147
Speaker 4: on who you believe, was all set to be relieved

1070
00:54:01,187 --> 00:54:04,147
Speaker 4: of his duties and Raiser was supposed to come in

1071
00:54:04,227 --> 00:54:07,507
Speaker 4: and take over. But as it happened, that didn't happen

1072
00:54:07,707 --> 00:54:10,827
Speaker 4: and it proved to be the right decision. Ian Foster

1073
00:54:10,947 --> 00:54:14,147
Speaker 4: improved that team to the point where they were within

1074
00:54:14,227 --> 00:54:17,827
Speaker 4: a point of winning the Rugby World Cup. I just

1075
00:54:17,907 --> 00:54:22,467
Speaker 4: think it would be a massive call, especially as Gregor

1076
00:54:22,547 --> 00:54:26,347
Speaker 4: also says, without really knowing at least you had cast

1077
00:54:26,427 --> 00:54:30,147
Speaker 4: iron guarantees that Jamie Joseph, and it would be Jamie Joseph,

1078
00:54:30,587 --> 00:54:32,307
Speaker 4: Let's be honest, he'd be the one to take over.

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00:54:32,907 --> 00:54:34,907
Speaker 4: You'd have to have cast iron guarantees that he could

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00:54:34,907 --> 00:54:37,987
Speaker 4: get Tony Brown out of South Africa for starters, because

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00:54:38,307 --> 00:54:42,707
Speaker 4: Jamie Joseph Tony Brown combo is a pretty compelling proposition.

1082
00:54:42,907 --> 00:54:46,427
Speaker 4: But Tony Brown's contracted to South Africa till twenty twenty seven,

1083
00:54:47,107 --> 00:54:49,107
Speaker 4: and while he's on record even on this show, was

1084
00:54:49,147 --> 00:54:50,787
Speaker 4: saying that he would like to coach the All Blacks

1085
00:54:50,827 --> 00:54:54,867
Speaker 4: one day. Why would he live South Africa Now they're flying.

1086
00:54:56,587 --> 00:54:58,587
Speaker 4: I feel as though he had seen his contract out,

1087
00:54:58,587 --> 00:55:01,587
Speaker 4: wouldn't he and then see what happens after that. Scott

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00:55:01,667 --> 00:55:06,147
Speaker 4: Robertson was asked about his coaching future as part of

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00:55:06,507 --> 00:55:09,187
Speaker 4: this postmatch media conference. Today. They're taking me in a

1090
00:55:09,227 --> 00:55:12,027
Speaker 4: four year contract in belief and this group has got

1091
00:55:12,067 --> 00:55:13,987
Speaker 4: some great young players coming through.

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00:55:14,427 --> 00:55:17,427
Speaker 9: Is going to be some learning along the way, you like,

1093
00:55:17,587 --> 00:55:20,547
Speaker 9: I'm excited. Got some great becking from David and the board,

1094
00:55:20,787 --> 00:55:21,747
Speaker 9: a good crew behind us.

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00:55:21,787 --> 00:55:22,507
Speaker 5: You know, I'm excited.

1096
00:55:22,587 --> 00:55:25,387
Speaker 4: Thinks there you go are eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1097
00:55:25,467 --> 00:55:27,707
Speaker 4: Let's pick up on that or anything you saw this morning.

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00:55:27,787 --> 00:55:29,987
Speaker 4: We do have for the first time this afternoon a

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00:55:30,027 --> 00:55:32,067
Speaker 4: spare line if you want to jump aboard our eight

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Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty Ian. Hello, Hi, Jase got

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00:55:38,147 --> 00:55:38,587
Speaker 4: Ian Good.

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Speaker 23: Thanks.

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00:55:40,827 --> 00:55:43,027
Speaker 24: What a wonderful game. I mean the your blocks were

1104
00:55:43,107 --> 00:55:45,707
Speaker 24: always going to win this match. But I would like

1105
00:55:45,787 --> 00:55:49,947
Speaker 24: to talk about the referee, Holly Davidson. Yes, in my

1106
00:55:50,187 --> 00:55:53,067
Speaker 24: personal opinion, I thought you had a pretty good game.

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00:55:54,467 --> 00:55:56,227
Speaker 4: You sound surprised to you, and I thought you had

1108
00:55:56,227 --> 00:55:56,907
Speaker 4: a good game too.

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00:55:57,987 --> 00:55:59,987
Speaker 24: I'm not surprised at all. I thought you had a

1110
00:56:00,067 --> 00:56:04,347
Speaker 24: magnificent game, Achel, after what we've seen previously over the

1111
00:56:04,867 --> 00:56:07,067
Speaker 24: over the last ten or so tests.

1112
00:56:09,107 --> 00:56:10,107
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.

1113
00:56:10,667 --> 00:56:12,787
Speaker 24: I mean, the result was always going to be what

1114
00:56:12,947 --> 00:56:15,347
Speaker 24: it was. But you know, I thought she controlled the

1115
00:56:15,387 --> 00:56:16,067
Speaker 24: game very well.

1116
00:56:17,187 --> 00:56:19,067
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I and I thought she gave

1117
00:56:19,147 --> 00:56:21,707
Speaker 4: clear instructions. As I said last hour, I think she

1118
00:56:21,947 --> 00:56:25,267
Speaker 4: was perhaps a little bit swayed by the TMO a

1119
00:56:25,347 --> 00:56:29,187
Speaker 4: couple of times. There was a suggestion perhaps that that

1120
00:56:29,347 --> 00:56:31,227
Speaker 4: she should have stuck with her on field decision when

1121
00:56:31,267 --> 00:56:33,627
Speaker 4: Will Jordan looked to have got the ball down but

1122
00:56:33,747 --> 00:56:36,387
Speaker 4: then second guested a little bit, and I think probably

1123
00:56:36,467 --> 00:56:38,587
Speaker 4: came to the right decision actually because I didn't see

1124
00:56:38,587 --> 00:56:40,827
Speaker 4: a clear grounding that ball either. But look, I think

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00:56:40,867 --> 00:56:43,067
Speaker 4: she can look back and when she gets assessed by

1126
00:56:43,827 --> 00:56:45,707
Speaker 4: her bosses, I think the one they'll give her a

1127
00:56:45,787 --> 00:56:48,187
Speaker 4: pass marker, a very solid pass mark.

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Speaker 25: Absolutely, I would give it as an Holly Davidson, I

1129
00:56:53,427 --> 00:56:56,107
Speaker 25: would give her if it was if I was on

1130
00:56:56,267 --> 00:56:59,867
Speaker 25: that board, which I'm not, of course, I would give

1131
00:56:59,907 --> 00:57:02,307
Speaker 25: her a ninety five percent past mate.

1132
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Speaker 13: Yep, yep.

1133
00:57:03,707 --> 00:57:06,547
Speaker 4: I think she was good and hopefully she gets gets

1134
00:57:06,587 --> 00:57:08,667
Speaker 4: more test matches the whole. You know, I think we

1135
00:57:08,707 --> 00:57:12,667
Speaker 4: should judge as a referee just as we judge any referee. Obviously,

1136
00:57:12,747 --> 00:57:15,627
Speaker 4: it was an historic occasion, first time a female referee

1137
00:57:15,667 --> 00:57:18,387
Speaker 4: has controlled an All Blacks Test match. Let's hope that

1138
00:57:18,427 --> 00:57:20,947
Speaker 4: it's not a talking point in years to come and

1139
00:57:21,067 --> 00:57:23,387
Speaker 4: that we're just talking about referees. I thought she was

1140
00:57:24,227 --> 00:57:26,907
Speaker 4: was good. She had an ability I thought too, of

1141
00:57:27,467 --> 00:57:33,187
Speaker 4: diffusing potentially not explosive situations, but she was just very

1142
00:57:33,267 --> 00:57:37,347
Speaker 4: you know, just just able to diffuse things. And maybe

1143
00:57:37,387 --> 00:57:40,467
Speaker 4: that is part of being maybe you know, being a

1144
00:57:40,547 --> 00:57:44,987
Speaker 4: female is a superpower in that situation. But I yep.

1145
00:57:45,067 --> 00:57:46,867
Speaker 4: I think if you're ranked all of the referees who

1146
00:57:46,907 --> 00:57:49,627
Speaker 4: have controlled All Blacks test matches this year, she would

1147
00:57:49,627 --> 00:57:51,307
Speaker 4: be up near the top. And there have been plenty

1148
00:57:51,347 --> 00:57:53,227
Speaker 4: of occasions this year on the show when we've been

1149
00:57:53,267 --> 00:57:56,627
Speaker 4: talking about referees in a different way. Thanks a good

1150
00:57:56,667 --> 00:57:57,947
Speaker 4: to hear from you, mate, Hello, Pete.

1151
00:57:59,387 --> 00:58:02,387
Speaker 10: I think goodness, I'm as to listen to everyone today

1152
00:58:02,467 --> 00:58:05,187
Speaker 10: that you've had a really good rugby analyst.

1153
00:58:05,307 --> 00:58:05,827
Speaker 3: It's Gregor.

1154
00:58:05,867 --> 00:58:07,867
Speaker 10: I can't think of his full name, a Scottish accent.

1155
00:58:08,307 --> 00:58:10,547
Speaker 4: Yeah, Grigapool, Yeah, Grigapool.

1156
00:58:11,427 --> 00:58:16,067
Speaker 10: Thank goodness, Thank goodness that he is identified something that

1157
00:58:16,187 --> 00:58:17,867
Speaker 10: I believe is blatantly obvious.

1158
00:58:17,947 --> 00:58:20,027
Speaker 4: Now, this is a.

1159
00:58:20,107 --> 00:58:25,547
Speaker 10: Dysfunctional All Black side. The third quarter has been a

1160
00:58:25,627 --> 00:58:31,667
Speaker 10: Knight in disaster in dysfunction. That's a coaching through coaching folk.

1161
00:58:31,787 --> 00:58:36,387
Speaker 10: Now I believe Jason Holland I mean more importantly because

1162
00:58:36,387 --> 00:58:39,747
Speaker 10: I'm a big fan of his and I know that

1163
00:58:39,867 --> 00:58:43,707
Speaker 10: he's highly regarded and he was a great intelligent fallback

1164
00:58:43,747 --> 00:58:46,267
Speaker 10: and that's Leon McDonald. Now he fell out with Razor

1165
00:58:46,347 --> 00:58:50,067
Speaker 10: on philosophy and strategy of the back line. Now I

1166
00:58:50,107 --> 00:58:52,267
Speaker 10: don't want to get into that. So we've had two

1167
00:58:52,947 --> 00:58:55,787
Speaker 10: guys Jason Holland I don't put in the same class

1168
00:58:55,907 --> 00:58:58,707
Speaker 10: or category as Leon McDonald, but he's up there. Now

1169
00:58:58,787 --> 00:59:02,347
Speaker 10: we've got another guy there that I put down just

1170
00:59:02,747 --> 00:59:07,107
Speaker 10: just my little bit of intuition here, Steve. He ain't

1171
00:59:07,187 --> 00:59:10,987
Speaker 10: doing the job. He has to go immediately now when

1172
00:59:10,987 --> 00:59:14,947
Speaker 10: you're a professional coach, but Razor is and he is

1173
00:59:14,987 --> 00:59:20,107
Speaker 10: a manager raiser I identify is no different than a

1174
00:59:20,907 --> 00:59:25,187
Speaker 10: number one ranked soccer team. And England are not coaches,

1175
00:59:25,427 --> 00:59:29,867
Speaker 10: are managers. Ferguson was a manager who managed men. So

1176
00:59:30,667 --> 00:59:33,267
Speaker 10: my thing is this, This is what I'm saying right now,

1177
00:59:33,427 --> 00:59:35,387
Speaker 10: this is a big coaching problem. I think we've got

1178
00:59:35,427 --> 00:59:38,987
Speaker 10: tremendoustic book players. We don't have the world class that

1179
00:59:39,107 --> 00:59:43,147
Speaker 10: we had. You can't replace Richie McCall, Brodier Retallic, Sam

1180
00:59:43,307 --> 00:59:46,947
Speaker 10: Whitelocke and Jeraine Coroner overnight, but we've got some real

1181
00:59:47,027 --> 00:59:49,547
Speaker 10: good ones there. You know, the guys have meeting him today,

1182
00:59:49,627 --> 00:59:52,267
Speaker 10: So Titi, I think brilliant. I think we've got the

1183
00:59:52,307 --> 00:59:56,307
Speaker 10: best back in the world. And Jordan McDonald, sorry McKenzie

1184
00:59:56,387 --> 00:59:56,947
Speaker 10: is great.

1185
00:59:57,347 --> 00:59:59,947
Speaker 5: But got to go, mate.

1186
00:59:59,947 --> 01:00:03,627
Speaker 10: I'm telling him now, this is my prediction. If we

1187
01:00:03,987 --> 01:00:08,267
Speaker 10: hang on will would we not get the boot. And

1188
01:00:08,507 --> 01:00:11,427
Speaker 10: he has to have a clean sweep. And David Kirk

1189
01:00:11,467 --> 01:00:14,987
Speaker 10: has to tell every single one of those guys this

1190
01:00:15,267 --> 01:00:17,947
Speaker 10: is a format and these are the coaches we believe

1191
01:00:17,947 --> 01:00:19,707
Speaker 10: because there's got to be a big effort from the

1192
01:00:20,507 --> 01:00:22,907
Speaker 10: guys on the board to get the right coaching stuff.

1193
01:00:23,467 --> 01:00:24,507
Speaker 3: That's that's my take.

1194
01:00:25,067 --> 01:00:27,507
Speaker 4: No, it's a good take, Pete. Thank you for voicing

1195
01:00:27,547 --> 01:00:32,747
Speaker 4: it here in such eloquent fashion. Yes, Scott Henson's it's

1196
01:00:32,867 --> 01:00:35,147
Speaker 4: been widely reported that he does a lot of the

1197
01:00:35,267 --> 01:00:38,707
Speaker 4: technical side of things that Razor is more, as you

1198
01:00:38,867 --> 01:00:40,547
Speaker 4: just pointed out there, Pete, more of a kind of

1199
01:00:40,907 --> 01:00:44,187
Speaker 4: English football manager type of coacher. And oversee it if

1200
01:00:44,227 --> 01:00:47,027
Speaker 4: you like a man manager who doesn't do a lot

1201
01:00:47,107 --> 01:00:49,587
Speaker 4: of the technical stuff on the grass from week to week,

1202
01:00:50,187 --> 01:00:53,187
Speaker 4: leaves that to his experts. Now, there's been talk that

1203
01:00:53,587 --> 01:00:56,907
Speaker 4: Jason Holland won't actually be replaced in the coaching team,

1204
01:00:57,387 --> 01:01:01,347
Speaker 4: that they will spread the responsibilities among the rest of them.

1205
01:01:01,427 --> 01:01:04,507
Speaker 4: And look, I've got a lot of time for Gregor.

1206
01:01:04,507 --> 01:01:06,227
Speaker 4: I think he's a terrific analyst of the game and

1207
01:01:06,627 --> 01:01:12,747
Speaker 4: reading his pieces, he surmises that Scott Robertson might have

1208
01:01:12,867 --> 01:01:16,387
Speaker 4: to go back to that actual coaching to do more

1209
01:01:16,427 --> 01:01:20,387
Speaker 4: of the on the grass stuff, to pick up an

1210
01:01:20,427 --> 01:01:23,547
Speaker 4: area of expertise, just as Ian Foster did before him

1211
01:01:23,707 --> 01:01:30,227
Speaker 4: and others before him. I think you can. You don't

1212
01:01:30,307 --> 01:01:33,747
Speaker 4: need a massive team of coaches. Yes, you have your specialists,

1213
01:01:33,787 --> 01:01:36,907
Speaker 4: of course you do. One man can't do it all

1214
01:01:36,987 --> 01:01:40,107
Speaker 4: by himself. But I wonder whether there might have to

1215
01:01:40,147 --> 01:01:43,987
Speaker 4: be just a slight change of approach in terms of

1216
01:01:45,667 --> 01:01:49,867
Speaker 4: the way that responsibilities are cut and sliced within that

1217
01:01:50,027 --> 01:01:54,667
Speaker 4: coaching group. Regardless, there will be a review. There will

1218
01:01:54,747 --> 01:01:57,187
Speaker 4: have to be. I mean, even if they'd won every

1219
01:01:57,227 --> 01:02:00,667
Speaker 4: test this year, there still would be. Every responsible organization

1220
01:02:01,787 --> 01:02:05,227
Speaker 4: has an annual review of some sort to work out

1221
01:02:05,267 --> 01:02:10,467
Speaker 4: what's going well and what could be improved. Whether New

1222
01:02:10,547 --> 01:02:15,627
Speaker 4: Zealand Rugby's board take the nuclear option and decide, and

1223
01:02:15,747 --> 01:02:18,107
Speaker 4: they're quite within their rights to do this, if they

1224
01:02:18,267 --> 01:02:23,027
Speaker 4: decide that there is a better option over the next

1225
01:02:23,067 --> 01:02:25,187
Speaker 4: two years in order for the All Blacks to win

1226
01:02:25,227 --> 01:02:28,067
Speaker 4: the World Cup, then they have to take that decision

1227
01:02:28,827 --> 01:02:31,507
Speaker 4: if they firmly believe that it is the right one.

1228
01:02:33,107 --> 01:02:36,147
Speaker 4: They're quite within their rights to do it. My gut

1229
01:02:36,227 --> 01:02:40,387
Speaker 4: feel my opinion is that they won't, but they are

1230
01:02:40,467 --> 01:02:44,187
Speaker 4: within their rights to at least examine it, and they

1231
01:02:44,267 --> 01:02:49,027
Speaker 4: would be in dereliction of duty if they don't. One

1232
01:02:49,147 --> 01:02:51,907
Speaker 4: twenty eight back with more calls after this The.

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Speaker 4: Nine to one, twenty nine to two. That is twenty

1237
01:03:05,067 --> 01:03:07,627
Speaker 4: nine to two. James mcconeiy before too. We'll focus on

1238
01:03:07,787 --> 01:03:11,067
Speaker 4: the Ashes after two, but let's continue the All Blacks chat.

1239
01:03:11,187 --> 01:03:12,227
Speaker 4: Some great calls coming through.

1240
01:03:12,307 --> 01:03:15,467
Speaker 24: Hi Dan, Gooday, Pliny, How are.

1241
01:03:15,427 --> 01:03:17,307
Speaker 4: You Dan, I'm good, I'm very good.

1242
01:03:17,347 --> 01:03:19,507
Speaker 24: Thank you, Piney.

1243
01:03:19,947 --> 01:03:26,187
Speaker 18: My question is a twofold question really, as the Super

1244
01:03:26,547 --> 01:03:34,387
Speaker 18: Rugby doing the All Blacks any favors in regard to

1245
01:03:35,187 --> 01:03:42,667
Speaker 18: style of play and discipline issues when it comes to

1246
01:03:43,147 --> 01:03:44,787
Speaker 18: international rugby.

1247
01:03:46,307 --> 01:03:48,627
Speaker 4: Okay, that's the first part of the twofold question. I'll

1248
01:03:48,667 --> 01:03:51,827
Speaker 4: answer that. In my view, it's I don't think Super

1249
01:03:51,867 --> 01:03:55,467
Speaker 4: Rugby is helping the All Blacks win international matches. No,

1250
01:03:56,107 --> 01:03:58,907
Speaker 4: I think Super Rugby is a wonderful product and I

1251
01:03:59,027 --> 01:04:02,387
Speaker 4: love watching it, but it is very different from what

1252
01:04:02,467 --> 01:04:07,107
Speaker 4: the All Blacks face from the likes of South Africa, England, Ireland,

1253
01:04:07,627 --> 01:04:11,467
Speaker 4: France and others. I don't know whether it has an

1254
01:04:11,507 --> 01:04:15,387
Speaker 4: impact on discipline necessarily, Dan, but certainly I don't think

1255
01:04:15,707 --> 01:04:19,067
Speaker 4: Super rugby is the best preparation for international rugby.

1256
01:04:21,067 --> 01:04:25,827
Speaker 18: And I guess my second question is we always seem

1257
01:04:25,987 --> 01:04:31,747
Speaker 18: to get one or two good players from Super Rugby.

1258
01:04:32,947 --> 01:04:38,467
Speaker 18: But it comes back to my first question. Are those

1259
01:04:38,627 --> 01:04:45,067
Speaker 18: players that picked from Super Rugby sort of aligned with

1260
01:04:45,827 --> 01:04:51,067
Speaker 18: international rugby or have they still got Super Rugby structure

1261
01:04:51,227 --> 01:04:55,227
Speaker 18: in their heads and basing their international careers on that.

1262
01:04:56,107 --> 01:04:59,667
Speaker 4: Well, again, I think they can. They can only play

1263
01:05:00,067 --> 01:05:02,827
Speaker 4: inside the team structure that is handed to them, Dan,

1264
01:05:02,947 --> 01:05:05,707
Speaker 4: and I guess within a Super Rugby framework, they are

1265
01:05:05,787 --> 01:05:09,947
Speaker 4: handed that structure and once they get to the All Blacks, look,

1266
01:05:09,987 --> 01:05:12,747
Speaker 4: it's not as though it's a million miles away. Maybe

1267
01:05:12,827 --> 01:05:15,147
Speaker 4: it should be, because as I said before, it's not

1268
01:05:15,387 --> 01:05:18,187
Speaker 4: the same, you know, playing for the Hurricanes against the

1269
01:05:18,267 --> 01:05:20,747
Speaker 4: Chiefs one week and then playing for the All Blacks

1270
01:05:20,747 --> 01:05:24,107
Speaker 4: against South Africa the next. I mean the departure of

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01:05:24,147 --> 01:05:26,787
Speaker 4: the South African teams from Super Rugby is obviously had

1272
01:05:26,787 --> 01:05:31,747
Speaker 4: an impact, but it's incumbent upon the players when they're

1273
01:05:31,747 --> 01:05:34,147
Speaker 4: brought into the All Blacks and the coaching staff once

1274
01:05:34,227 --> 01:05:37,947
Speaker 4: they're there, to mold them into a cohesive unit. International

1275
01:05:38,067 --> 01:05:42,347
Speaker 4: teams in every sport are drawn from clubs and they

1276
01:05:42,467 --> 01:05:45,307
Speaker 4: play differently for their club than they do for their country.

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01:05:45,827 --> 01:05:50,227
Speaker 4: But there are some very efficient countries, South Africa being

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01:05:50,267 --> 01:05:53,667
Speaker 4: one of them. Ireland, although they're in a bit of

1279
01:05:53,707 --> 01:05:55,947
Speaker 4: a holding pattern, it feels at the moment another one

1280
01:05:56,267 --> 01:06:00,467
Speaker 4: England is starting to up their trajectory if you like.

1281
01:06:01,467 --> 01:06:06,787
Speaker 4: But yeah, look it's a very salient point. We love

1282
01:06:06,907 --> 01:06:09,387
Speaker 4: Super Rugby and the razzle dazzle of it, and I

1283
01:06:09,507 --> 01:06:11,867
Speaker 4: am looking forward to seeing how it goes next year.

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01:06:11,907 --> 01:06:15,387
Speaker 4: I always look forward to Super Rugby. Is it the

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Speaker 4: best preparation for the All Blacks to win Test matches?

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Speaker 4: I think it helps, But I don't think you would

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Speaker 4: say that that you know, Super Rugby is the best

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Speaker 4: replication of international rugby, because it simply isn't. Thanks for

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Speaker 4: your called in as shiah Hi Jason.

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Speaker 16: You said you listen to what you just had an

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Speaker 16: interview with Gregor Paul and you listen to his commentary

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Speaker 16: with Elliot.

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Speaker 6: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 24: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Last week he made a very relevant point about the

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Speaker 16: third quarter ways of the All Blacks. He mentioned the

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Speaker 16: points differential for the Abs and the third quarter for

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Speaker 16: test matches this year. Did you hear that figure?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm almost certain it was a negative figure.

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Speaker 21: It was more on a sixty two minus sixty two.

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Speaker 16: You've referenced all back attacking strategies and the departure of

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Speaker 16: a couple of attack coaches. I McDonald and of recently

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Speaker 16: is at Holland he had interviewed. I suggest that the

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Speaker 16: all backs attacking strategy is pretty much the Crusaders and

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Speaker 16: drag kick the ball to the opposition. I hope that

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Speaker 16: they knock the ball on or lose the ball and

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Speaker 16: the tackle, and you capitalize on their mistakes. Unfortunately, international

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Speaker 16: teams don't make mistakes.

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Speaker 4: It's an interesting take. Yeah, it's an interesting take. Cash.

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Speaker 4: Is that how you assess the Crusaders attacking strategy? Kick

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Speaker 4: the ball to the other team and then pressure them

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Speaker 4: into mistakes?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 3: Yep. And the fact that as far as.

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Speaker 16: Robertson's tenures concerned, well, the stupidity was giving him a

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Speaker 16: four year contract you pay. The postmatch interview with him

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Speaker 16: and he referenced that point. He has a four year

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Speaker 16: contract now if they're going to sack and they'll have

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Speaker 16: to pay him, payout his remaining two years as well

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Speaker 16: as paying two years to another head coach. So I

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Speaker 16: don't think the board can afford to do anything like that.

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Speaker 16: So I think financially they simply won't get rid of him.

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Speaker 16: They wouldn't even consider it.

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Speaker 4: Do you think they'll asked that if they had grave

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Speaker 4: concerns about the direction of the team, that they wouldn't

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Speaker 4: they wouldn't make the change, that they would let a

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Speaker 4: financial factor influence that decision.

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Speaker 16: Well, yeah, you know, sorry, b S walks money talks.

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Speaker 16: They can happen pulp as much as they like, but

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Speaker 16: if they're going to get rid of him, they have

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Speaker 16: to pay him out as well as paying presumably Joseph

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Speaker 16: for a two year tenure. But all of this could

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Speaker 16: have been avoided if Mark Robinson hadn't jumped up and down, Yes,

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Speaker 16: three bags falls and give him a four year contract.

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Speaker 16: Foston never got that. He got two years, a two

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Speaker 16: plus two deal. Two years and then we'll have a

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Speaker 16: review of you and see how you've gone. Well, that

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Speaker 16: was what should have happened with Robertson, but courtesy of

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Speaker 16: Mark Robinson, the stale turd in New Zealand Rugby administration,

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Speaker 16: he's left David kirk In in a very invidious position.

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Speaker 4: Ash, thank you for your call. I appreciate it, Marty, Hi, Hi, Jason,

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Speaker 4: how are you doing good? Thank you money good.

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Speaker 26: The referee, I thought she refereed well, I'm probably exceptionally well.

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Speaker 26: However that's within the framework that she's got to referee

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Speaker 26: with him. So what I don't particularly like is the

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Speaker 26: way the game as being refereed. That decision that was

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Speaker 26: turned over, for example, turned over after the conversion. It

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Speaker 26: really just doesn't do it for me, and I don't

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Speaker 26: think it does the game justice. It stops it from flowing.

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Speaker 26: It almost feels like in the Northern Hemisphere particularly, the

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Speaker 26: TMO is just trolling through to see what little thing

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Speaker 26: he can find that's not right. And I just noticed

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Speaker 26: the referee like they stand up to the players who

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Speaker 26: are supposed to be experienced and tell them now get

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Speaker 26: the ball out, now, don't come forward, you'll be outside.

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Speaker 26: I'm a weave at old school, but I can recall

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Speaker 26: a New Zealand referee that probably some of the listeners

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Speaker 26: will be able to remember was a guy from Mastenden

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Speaker 26: called Bob Francis. And one of the things I really

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Speaker 26: liked about Bob was how he controlled a game. He

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Speaker 26: didn't impose himself. Back in those days we had the

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Speaker 26: touch judges putting the flags up and he was quite

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Speaker 26: happy to override them. Have he felt that what he

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Speaker 26: saw was where it was at. So I think she

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Speaker 26: did a good job considering the framework. She's got to

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Speaker 26: work with them. They're probably sitting up there saying, well,

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Speaker 26: you've done. That's really great, But for me it's just

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Speaker 26: a bit too officious.

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Speaker 4: Good call, Marty, I look, you want to get an

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Speaker 4: argument from me. You know, when a conversion's gone over

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Speaker 4: and then the whole thing's chalked off, you have to

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Speaker 4: wonder on a knock on as you say, I loved

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Speaker 4: your description. Yeah, I wonder whether the TMO some of

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Speaker 4: them are just trolling that footage looking for an opportunity

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Speaker 4: to get involved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'm a bit like you, a bit old school. Bob Francis,

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Speaker 4: great man, former mayor of Masterden. Too terrific chap at

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01:11:48,747 --> 01:11:50,267
Speaker 4: the town to men him a couple of times. Really

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Speaker 4: good man, Hey Marty, thanks mate, I appreciate it. Twenty

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Speaker 4: to two, let's take a break, come back James mcconey

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Speaker 4: in this regular Sunday slot.

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Speaker 1: The Big Issues on and after Field Call eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason.

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Speaker 11: Fine and GJ. Gunner homes Land's most trusted O Milder

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Speaker 11: News Talk.

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Speaker 4: Baby seventeen to two Sunday Afternoon means James mccony.

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Speaker 5: Hello mate, Hello, Poney, how are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm good. I'm good. We've had some very invigorating All

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Speaker 4: Blacks discussion in the last hour and three quarters. I've

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Speaker 4: enjoyed it. What did you make of this morning? What

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Speaker 4: do you make of twenty twenty five? What a wide

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01:12:27,907 --> 01:12:28,987
Speaker 4: ranging question that is?

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Speaker 6: Well this morning. I'm happy to answer it, Poney.

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Speaker 5: This morning.

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Speaker 6: All Blacks versus Wales test matches are almost scripted, aren't they?

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Speaker 6: The same thing happens every time. It's like a rom

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01:12:39,707 --> 01:12:42,867
Speaker 6: com where you know that they'll end up together, you know,

1400
01:12:43,347 --> 01:12:46,667
Speaker 6: like a Kate Hudson movie. Yep, And you know that

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01:12:46,787 --> 01:12:52,467
Speaker 6: the All Blacks are gonna sort of basically push out

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01:12:52,547 --> 01:12:55,547
Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter and to a comfortable win. But

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01:12:55,707 --> 01:12:57,907
Speaker 6: up until then there's a little bit of intrigue. You

1404
01:12:57,987 --> 01:13:00,467
Speaker 6: think that Kate might not end up with Matthew McConaughey,

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01:13:00,867 --> 01:13:03,227
Speaker 6: but in the end she does. I mean, it's just

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01:13:03,307 --> 01:13:05,467
Speaker 6: the way it is. And so I think it was

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Speaker 6: just for the course really to beat Wales like that.

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01:13:08,427 --> 01:13:11,107
Speaker 6: But happy to see Ruben Love and a few others

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Speaker 6: out there play really well and wanted to TEETI suddenly

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Speaker 6: just hitting his straps, running at full pace, which is

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Speaker 6: nice to see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, he had a terrific season last year,

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01:13:22,147 --> 01:13:23,947
Speaker 4: as we know, and it was good to see him

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Speaker 4: recapture some of that form. What chance do you think

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01:13:27,307 --> 01:13:30,707
Speaker 4: that a rookie wins All Blacks Player of the Year

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01:13:30,747 --> 01:13:33,467
Speaker 4: for a second year in a row. Fabian Holland has

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Speaker 4: been awarded World Rugby's Breakthrough Player of the Year. Could

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Speaker 4: he be the All Blacks Player of the Year for

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Speaker 4: twenty five Well.

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Speaker 6: I think so. I mean, I think I don't know

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Speaker 6: if you remember that my contributions to your Chowpony, but

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01:13:47,267 --> 01:13:50,587
Speaker 6: you know, because there's so many right. But a few

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Speaker 6: weeks ago I was talking about the stats at that

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Speaker 6: incredible Test where he won fifteen or fifteen lineouts thrown

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01:13:56,587 --> 01:13:59,907
Speaker 6: to him, and there's only one other line out won

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01:13:59,987 --> 01:14:02,547
Speaker 6: by the All Blacks and Patrick tupel Or who took

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01:14:02,587 --> 01:14:04,627
Speaker 6: that one. So I've never seen a stat like that

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01:14:04,827 --> 01:14:08,307
Speaker 6: in my time covering rugby and so but the fact

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01:14:08,347 --> 01:14:10,067
Speaker 6: that it's a rookie doing that, and I think it

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01:14:10,147 --> 01:14:13,387
Speaker 6: was a Blitterzo test or possibly the South Africa Tests

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01:14:13,467 --> 01:14:16,187
Speaker 6: at Eden Park where he did that, and that is

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01:14:16,467 --> 01:14:20,427
Speaker 6: just incredible to think that he's playing that kind of

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01:14:20,547 --> 01:14:22,947
Speaker 6: hand as a first year All Black. So yep, he's

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Speaker 6: It'd be my pick for All Black of the Year.

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01:14:27,507 --> 01:14:29,707
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, cam Reguard has obviously shown that

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01:14:29,787 --> 01:14:35,147
Speaker 6: he's world class and he's World fifteen material, but Holland

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01:14:35,187 --> 01:14:37,907
Speaker 6: has been an absolute find. But I do notice that

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01:14:38,027 --> 01:14:40,907
Speaker 6: on your show that a lot of people were definitely

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01:14:40,987 --> 01:14:43,227
Speaker 6: pretty critical of Raisers. So it feels like the sort

1440
01:14:43,267 --> 01:14:47,987
Speaker 6: of season where people aren't necessarily that and amored with

1441
01:14:48,107 --> 01:14:49,347
Speaker 6: the way the All Blacks have been playing.

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Speaker 4: No, I think you're right, and I think that's probably

1443
01:14:53,067 --> 01:14:55,907
Speaker 4: fair given you know, I think the gut feel for

1444
01:14:55,987 --> 01:15:00,027
Speaker 4: most people and a bicking for yours, is that they

1445
01:15:00,067 --> 01:15:04,587
Speaker 4: don't feel overly optimistic about twenty twenty seven. I don't know,

1446
01:15:04,947 --> 01:15:07,027
Speaker 4: it seems odd, but we do go from World Cup

1447
01:15:07,067 --> 01:15:09,467
Speaker 4: to World Cup. How do you feel about whether the

1448
01:15:09,467 --> 01:15:12,187
Speaker 4: All Blacks are in the midpoint of the World Cup cycle.

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Speaker 6: I feel confident in the talent that's been developed, and

1450
01:15:17,067 --> 01:15:19,707
Speaker 6: I think as a development job, I think Ras has

1451
01:15:19,747 --> 01:15:23,707
Speaker 6: done that really well. So you know, I'm probably an

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01:15:23,747 --> 01:15:27,547
Speaker 6: advocate for the way he has brought plans. And although

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01:15:28,147 --> 01:15:30,667
Speaker 6: I am a I'm a big Ruben Love fan and

1454
01:15:30,947 --> 01:15:33,147
Speaker 6: I feel like having him just carrying the tackle back

1455
01:15:33,227 --> 01:15:36,467
Speaker 6: for most of the tour was a wasted opportunity, you know.

1456
01:15:37,267 --> 01:15:40,027
Speaker 6: So and next year he's getting Richiem Warner back, So

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01:15:40,147 --> 01:15:43,027
Speaker 6: we may never find out how good Ruben Love it

1458
01:15:43,147 --> 01:15:45,347
Speaker 6: can be as a first five at test level. But

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Speaker 6: that's fine. I mean, I think that he's had a

1460
01:15:48,427 --> 01:15:50,747
Speaker 6: lot on his plate in terms of getting new All

1461
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Speaker 6: Blacks up to scratch. The big problem is one that

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Speaker 6: a lot of your listeners has identified for me. As

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01:15:56,347 --> 01:16:00,627
Speaker 6: well as the strategy, the attack strategy, the will's come

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01:16:00,707 --> 01:16:04,587
Speaker 6: off a lot. You saw against England last week, you know,

1465
01:16:04,707 --> 01:16:10,907
Speaker 6: plugging the blind that's crowded, basically becoming you know, turnover

1466
01:16:10,987 --> 01:16:13,907
Speaker 6: fodder when you don't have enough people and support enough

1467
01:16:13,987 --> 01:16:18,987
Speaker 6: cleaners they're called. So I think in terms of changes,

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01:16:19,427 --> 01:16:22,387
Speaker 6: I think there should be someone to come in. We

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01:16:22,507 --> 01:16:25,027
Speaker 6: can't get Tony Brown, obviously, and you did mention that

1470
01:16:25,107 --> 01:16:28,587
Speaker 6: he's contracted through the twenty twenty seven for South Africa,

1471
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Speaker 6: which is a huge bummer. But I think we need

1472
01:16:32,627 --> 01:16:35,187
Speaker 6: to find the next best thing to Tony Brown to

1473
01:16:35,267 --> 01:16:35,907
Speaker 6: run our attack.

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01:16:36,787 --> 01:16:40,267
Speaker 4: All right, some questions to be answered and some discussions

1475
01:16:40,307 --> 01:16:43,267
Speaker 4: to be had. Can we move to the Ashes? I

1476
01:16:43,467 --> 01:16:45,587
Speaker 4: was looking forward to day three of the Ashes when

1477
01:16:45,627 --> 01:16:47,387
Speaker 4: I finished the show today. I was going to settle

1478
01:16:47,427 --> 01:16:49,987
Speaker 4: in and double screen bit of Auckland f C a

1479
01:16:50,027 --> 01:16:53,867
Speaker 4: bit of Ashes. But there aren't any more Ashes deliveries

1480
01:16:53,907 --> 01:16:56,187
Speaker 4: to be had in Perth. All over in two days.

1481
01:16:57,147 --> 01:16:58,867
Speaker 6: I know. I can't believe that. I'm not going to

1482
01:16:59,147 --> 01:17:01,467
Speaker 6: I don't want to compare this to another movie, but

1483
01:17:01,547 --> 01:17:04,427
Speaker 6: it was over before it started, Pony. And the weird

1484
01:17:04,507 --> 01:17:07,707
Speaker 6: thing is is that I I like bas Ball because

1485
01:17:07,747 --> 01:17:10,427
Speaker 6: it's you know, it's frantic and high risk and it

1486
01:17:10,467 --> 01:17:14,507
Speaker 6: feels dangerous, you know it just it says Brendan McCollum

1487
01:17:14,587 --> 01:17:17,907
Speaker 6: all over it. Really But when does dads, when does

1488
01:17:18,027 --> 01:17:22,867
Speaker 6: basballme come mcazi cricket. That's the question, you know, And

1489
01:17:23,147 --> 01:17:27,267
Speaker 6: I think the answer is after lunch yesterday. That's when,

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01:17:27,347 --> 01:17:31,747
Speaker 6: because England were in a really good spot. They were

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01:17:32,267 --> 01:17:35,387
Speaker 6: in a really good spot yesterday. They had Pope and

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01:17:35,507 --> 01:17:41,427
Speaker 6: there it was the partnership together. Sorry, I'm just looking

1493
01:17:41,427 --> 01:17:44,267
Speaker 6: at notes. Pope and duck It and they were in

1494
01:17:44,347 --> 01:17:47,027
Speaker 6: a good spot and they should have flipped the script

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Speaker 6: there and then and gone anti Baz and just dug in,

1496
01:17:51,267 --> 01:17:53,467
Speaker 6: and I think they would have come away with at

1497
01:17:53,587 --> 01:17:58,027
Speaker 6: least a tough ask for Australia, if not a victory.

1498
01:17:58,267 --> 01:18:00,547
Speaker 6: And instead it was bas all the way.

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01:18:00,707 --> 01:18:02,267
Speaker 27: And you live by the beads, you die by the

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01:18:02,347 --> 01:18:03,547
Speaker 27: bas You're right.

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01:18:03,467 --> 01:18:06,907
Speaker 4: Though, they were sixty five for one when Ducket and

1502
01:18:07,067 --> 01:18:09,267
Speaker 4: Pope were together, and as you say they were, they

1503
01:18:09,267 --> 01:18:12,747
Speaker 4: weren't baars balling it necessarily, but they were starting to

1504
01:18:12,827 --> 01:18:15,787
Speaker 4: build what could have been a fairly handy lead. But

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01:18:15,907 --> 01:18:19,747
Speaker 4: from sixty five for one to all out one sixty four,

1506
01:18:19,867 --> 01:18:21,987
Speaker 4: what's that nine for ninety nine, you've lost.

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01:18:22,667 --> 01:18:25,347
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was an absolute disaster. And that's why at

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01:18:25,427 --> 01:18:27,867
Speaker 6: lunch time it just would have been a perfect time

1509
01:18:27,907 --> 01:18:30,947
Speaker 6: to say, okay, let's dig in now. Because the thing

1510
01:18:30,947 --> 01:18:33,947
Speaker 6: about Australian bowlers is they never go away. And oh

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01:18:34,027 --> 01:18:35,827
Speaker 6: there's a couple of times when you do notice that.

1512
01:18:35,867 --> 01:18:38,027
Speaker 6: The I mean, I remember when Ross Taylor sort of

1513
01:18:38,427 --> 01:18:40,667
Speaker 6: pounded them into submission a few years ago when he

1514
01:18:40,747 --> 01:18:44,787
Speaker 6: got two ninety over there in Perth, but they could

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01:18:44,867 --> 01:18:47,667
Speaker 6: still see hope. There's still grass on the pitch, probably

1516
01:18:47,747 --> 01:18:51,707
Speaker 6: too much grass. I interviewed the great Jeff Thompson the

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01:18:51,787 --> 01:18:53,787
Speaker 6: other day and he was saying there's so much grass

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01:18:53,907 --> 01:18:56,627
Speaker 6: on these Test wickets that even he at seventy five

1519
01:18:56,747 --> 01:18:59,827
Speaker 6: could take some workts, And of course I laughed, haha.

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01:19:00,107 --> 01:19:02,667
Speaker 6: And then I watched the Test and what Actually, maybe

1521
01:19:02,667 --> 01:19:06,787
Speaker 6: you're right, Jeff, because it was treacherous out there. But yeah,

1522
01:19:06,947 --> 01:19:09,147
Speaker 6: this is the whole thing. Those Aussie bowlers knew there

1523
01:19:09,227 --> 01:19:12,227
Speaker 6: was still hope and they still had the you know,

1524
01:19:12,787 --> 01:19:14,827
Speaker 6: the bit between their teeth, and they came back and

1525
01:19:15,027 --> 01:19:18,227
Speaker 6: just absolutely plowed through England. So I think that's one

1526
01:19:18,267 --> 01:19:20,427
Speaker 6: that got away, and maybe that they need to mix

1527
01:19:20,547 --> 01:19:24,347
Speaker 6: up that strategy from bas to anti bans just every

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01:19:24,387 --> 01:19:24,787
Speaker 6: now and then.

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01:19:25,387 --> 01:19:29,707
Speaker 4: I agree. Now, one of the proudest sporting regions in

1530
01:19:29,787 --> 01:19:32,667
Speaker 4: New Zealand is Marlborough and you had the opportunity to

1531
01:19:33,387 --> 01:19:35,587
Speaker 4: m see their sports awards over the weekend.

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01:19:36,547 --> 01:19:39,587
Speaker 6: Oh poney, what a night to be down there. I

1533
01:19:39,667 --> 01:19:42,027
Speaker 6: probably will never get invited back, but was great to

1534
01:19:42,107 --> 01:19:46,947
Speaker 6: be in Blenham and a fantastic crowd there. I loved it.

1535
01:19:47,067 --> 01:19:48,827
Speaker 6: You know, like this is one of those things where

1536
01:19:49,147 --> 01:19:52,667
Speaker 6: I know that you're seeing the Nelson Awards next week

1537
01:19:52,707 --> 01:19:55,147
Speaker 6: and I'm sure you'll hit it out of the park.

1538
01:19:55,227 --> 01:19:58,667
Speaker 6: But look, there's some incredible athletes that have come through

1539
01:19:58,707 --> 01:20:00,987
Speaker 6: there and you kind of forget Lance Kins. You know,

1540
01:20:02,267 --> 01:20:05,827
Speaker 6: there's Joe Sullivan of course, a gold medalist row of his,

1541
01:20:06,707 --> 01:20:11,187
Speaker 6: Anton Oliver and others you know, who've just been luminaries

1542
01:20:11,227 --> 01:20:12,987
Speaker 6: of the Mulborough sporting scene.

1543
01:20:14,547 --> 01:20:17,307
Speaker 4: Leon McDonald was a Mulber boy, I think, yes.

1544
01:20:17,267 --> 01:20:20,267
Speaker 6: Leo McDonald, David Hill, There's lots of them that have

1545
01:20:20,387 --> 01:20:23,467
Speaker 6: come through there. But the Supreme Award winner last night

1546
01:20:23,667 --> 01:20:28,227
Speaker 6: was Tomurthy tavitav Nahweyo, so he turned up from Fiji

1547
01:20:28,307 --> 01:20:30,907
Speaker 6: and Marlborough. And the great thing about it is like, look,

1548
01:20:30,947 --> 01:20:33,427
Speaker 6: there were other really cool athletes as well. I should

1549
01:20:33,467 --> 01:20:39,867
Speaker 6: mention before get into Timurthy and the victory acceptance speech.

1550
01:20:40,427 --> 01:20:43,547
Speaker 6: It's just that there was two young cyclists we should

1551
01:20:43,547 --> 01:20:47,027
Speaker 6: look out for, brother and sister, Finn and Neve McKenzie

1552
01:20:47,187 --> 01:20:50,907
Speaker 6: watched this space, both under nineteen or nineteen years old

1553
01:20:51,387 --> 01:20:54,347
Speaker 6: and both doing incredible things on the world stage. And

1554
01:20:54,467 --> 01:20:57,427
Speaker 6: then Meeg Flanagan, a roller who's very talented and under

1555
01:20:57,467 --> 01:21:00,987
Speaker 6: twenty three crews currently at University of Tennessee with his

1556
01:21:01,107 --> 01:21:04,187
Speaker 6: sister Emma, an equally talented rower, So look out for them.

1557
01:21:04,227 --> 01:21:08,027
Speaker 6: But Tomurthy couldn't be there getting in his knee operation done.

1558
01:21:08,427 --> 01:21:12,587
Speaker 6: And a guy called Bill Matthews, Uncle Bill they call him,

1559
01:21:13,107 --> 01:21:15,747
Speaker 6: who looked after Tomurthy as soon as he arrived. And

1560
01:21:15,867 --> 01:21:18,227
Speaker 6: Marlborough made the speech. And there's something to be said

1561
01:21:18,427 --> 01:21:21,227
Speaker 6: for having real salt of the Earth people getting up

1562
01:21:21,267 --> 01:21:26,027
Speaker 6: on stage and telling inappropriate stories. It actually works, Piney,

1563
01:21:26,147 --> 01:21:29,467
Speaker 6: because everyone else is saying the normal lip server stuff,

1564
01:21:29,627 --> 01:21:33,787
Speaker 6: positive things and blah blah blah. But honestly, Bill brought

1565
01:21:33,827 --> 01:21:35,827
Speaker 6: the house down and I'm not going to tell the

1566
01:21:36,027 --> 01:21:39,147
Speaker 6: inappropriate stories today on zeb But he did tell one

1567
01:21:39,187 --> 01:21:42,067
Speaker 6: story about how he wasn't that keen on fitness in

1568
01:21:42,067 --> 01:21:44,307
Speaker 6: the early days to Morthy and he said the equivalent

1569
01:21:44,307 --> 01:21:46,707
Speaker 6: of his idea of fitness was just to lie on

1570
01:21:46,787 --> 01:21:49,507
Speaker 6: the bed and then he'd tell him to get out

1571
01:21:49,507 --> 01:21:53,547
Speaker 6: of bed, and he'd just opened one eye like a tuatara,

1572
01:21:53,947 --> 01:21:57,547
Speaker 6: he said, and that was that was the most exercise,

1573
01:21:57,907 --> 01:21:59,947
Speaker 6: he said, in the early days. But he turned it

1574
01:22:00,027 --> 01:22:01,867
Speaker 6: around and then became a champion.

1575
01:22:02,587 --> 01:22:04,507
Speaker 4: Wonderful stuff. I'll get you to send me all your

1576
01:22:04,547 --> 01:22:07,507
Speaker 4: notes with including your jokes that I can use a

1577
01:22:07,587 --> 01:22:09,827
Speaker 4: Nelson in a week's time. Jim boy, it's good to

1578
01:22:09,907 --> 01:22:12,587
Speaker 4: chat mate. James mcconey part of our Sunday seven to

1579
01:22:12,667 --> 01:22:14,667
Speaker 4: two four away from two, after the news too. We're

1580
01:22:14,667 --> 01:22:16,227
Speaker 4: going to pivot away from the rugby. Thank you for

1581
01:22:16,267 --> 01:22:19,067
Speaker 4: all your calls and your feedback and your correspondence. It's

1582
01:22:19,147 --> 01:22:21,147
Speaker 4: been a great chat. This afternoon, we're going to pivot

1583
01:22:21,187 --> 01:22:24,187
Speaker 4: to the ashes where it will be more conversation to

1584
01:22:24,267 --> 01:22:28,107
Speaker 4: be had. What's happened to the principles of red bull batting?

1585
01:22:28,467 --> 01:22:31,667
Speaker 4: They seem to have been completely abandoned, certainly by these

1586
01:22:31,747 --> 01:22:33,867
Speaker 4: two teams. Adam Peacock going to join us to run

1587
01:22:33,907 --> 01:22:36,627
Speaker 4: an eye over the ashes and we'll preview the Las

1588
01:22:36,747 --> 01:22:40,227
Speaker 4: Vegas Grand Prix Liam Lawson starting from sixth.

1589
01:22:41,627 --> 01:22:44,427
Speaker 2: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1590
01:22:44,907 --> 01:22:46,067
Speaker 2: and after fields.

1591
01:22:46,547 --> 01:22:47,187
Speaker 5: It's all on.

1592
01:22:47,267 --> 01:22:51,027
Speaker 11: Weekend Sport with Jason Paine on your home of sport

1593
01:22:52,467 --> 01:22:53,147
Speaker 11: US Talk.

1594
01:22:54,587 --> 01:22:56,987
Speaker 4: Two o seven on Weekend Sport. Thanks for joining us.

1595
01:22:57,147 --> 01:23:00,307
Speaker 4: We're here till three, Tim Beverage. After that, Before we

1596
01:23:00,387 --> 01:23:03,307
Speaker 4: get there, I want to have a yarn about this

1597
01:23:03,627 --> 01:23:09,627
Speaker 4: Ali Cup Tour scenario where he won't play for the

1598
01:23:09,707 --> 01:23:13,387
Speaker 4: Melbourne Storm at all in twenty twenty six. The club

1599
01:23:13,467 --> 01:23:16,907
Speaker 4: have confirmed that that was after he required emergency brain

1600
01:23:17,067 --> 01:23:19,907
Speaker 4: surgery and the wake of Tong has lost to the

1601
01:23:19,987 --> 01:23:22,747
Speaker 4: Kiwis in Auckland earlier this month. I'm sure we've all

1602
01:23:22,827 --> 01:23:25,587
Speaker 4: caught up with the dreadful scenes we saw there and

1603
01:23:25,707 --> 01:23:28,707
Speaker 4: the fact that Ali Kator took a head knock before

1604
01:23:28,747 --> 01:23:32,027
Speaker 4: the game had even started and yet was allowed to play,

1605
01:23:32,147 --> 01:23:34,907
Speaker 4: where he took two further blows to the head which

1606
01:23:35,027 --> 01:23:39,387
Speaker 4: led to the situation we now find ourselves in. Kiwi's

1607
01:23:39,427 --> 01:23:42,747
Speaker 4: doctor Greg McLeod with us this hour with his thoughts

1608
01:23:42,787 --> 01:23:45,307
Speaker 4: on this and what we can learn from the whole thing.

1609
01:23:45,387 --> 01:23:49,587
Speaker 4: We'll get you to Vegas where the Las Vegas grom

1610
01:23:49,667 --> 01:23:51,547
Speaker 4: Prix is set to go in just under three hours,

1611
01:23:51,587 --> 01:23:53,427
Speaker 4: Leeam Lawson. As you heard in the Sports News there

1612
01:23:53,427 --> 01:23:56,667
Speaker 4: with e larger starting from sixth on the grid. Second

1613
01:23:56,747 --> 01:23:58,827
Speaker 4: time he's qualified inside the top ten. Let's hope that

1614
01:23:58,907 --> 01:24:01,867
Speaker 4: he can at least hold that position and who knows,

1615
01:24:02,627 --> 01:24:06,067
Speaker 4: push for something even higher, maybe his best ever Formula

1616
01:24:06,107 --> 01:24:09,067
Speaker 4: One finish. I want to talk the ashes shortly as well.

1617
01:24:09,187 --> 01:24:14,307
Speaker 4: I'm very keen to hear your thoughts on this. It'spen

1618
01:24:14,387 --> 01:24:16,707
Speaker 4: to be a test match, isn't It is Test cricket

1619
01:24:16,747 --> 01:24:19,347
Speaker 4: down just not even a thing anymore. Maybe it's not.

1620
01:24:19,547 --> 01:24:21,907
Speaker 4: Adam Peacock going to join us shortly and then I'm

1621
01:24:21,907 --> 01:24:24,507
Speaker 4: going to get your thoughts on this. We continue to

1622
01:24:24,547 --> 01:24:28,027
Speaker 4: take your calls and your feedback on anything that grabs

1623
01:24:28,027 --> 01:24:30,227
Speaker 4: your attention. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1624
01:24:30,267 --> 01:24:32,787
Speaker 4: our number nine two ninety two for your text messages

1625
01:24:32,827 --> 01:24:36,147
Speaker 4: emails to Jason at Newstalk SDV dot co dot nz.

1626
01:24:36,907 --> 01:24:39,827
Speaker 4: As we took past eight after two time to catch

1627
01:24:39,867 --> 01:24:43,947
Speaker 4: you up on the plethora of sporting action that's occurred

1628
01:24:44,347 --> 01:24:48,547
Speaker 4: since last week. Spoke in case you missed at starting

1629
01:24:49,347 --> 01:24:52,547
Speaker 4: in the Australian National Basketball League, a much needed win

1630
01:24:52,627 --> 01:24:57,867
Speaker 4: for the Breakers over Ken's locking said again a nice midrange.

1631
01:24:58,707 --> 01:24:59,947
Speaker 4: Mc Rays tried all.

1632
01:24:59,827 --> 01:25:03,947
Speaker 7: He can so no avail the New Zealand Breakers.

1633
01:25:05,227 --> 01:25:08,987
Speaker 4: Pretty much late start to finish and they end up

1634
01:25:08,987 --> 01:25:12,107
Speaker 4: winning this game by six points one two ninety six

1635
01:25:12,107 --> 01:25:15,027
Speaker 4: to the final score, and the Breakers slowly moving up

1636
01:25:15,067 --> 01:25:18,027
Speaker 4: the ladder. They're up to seventh now and the A

1637
01:25:18,187 --> 01:25:22,947
Speaker 4: League means MacArthur have stormed Wellington and taken home maximum points.

1638
01:25:22,987 --> 01:25:24,427
Speaker 4: Down the left come MacArthur and it.

1639
01:25:24,467 --> 01:25:25,227
Speaker 18: Comes to Sawyer.

1640
01:25:26,107 --> 01:25:28,307
Speaker 11: What a tava is? Sleep by all the way in me?

1641
01:25:28,427 --> 01:25:31,227
Speaker 28: But it's Manderswayan and Harrison.

1642
01:25:31,387 --> 01:25:33,107
Speaker 29: Sawyer with a second.

1643
01:25:32,827 --> 01:25:37,627
Speaker 28: Goal of the season and MacArthur's first away goal of

1644
01:25:37,747 --> 01:25:43,307
Speaker 28: the season celebrates the goal which separates the sides now.

1645
01:25:43,547 --> 01:25:46,587
Speaker 4: And separated them at the end. One Milton MacArthur over

1646
01:25:46,627 --> 01:25:49,307
Speaker 4: the Phoenix. Staying with football, some stunning results in the

1647
01:25:49,387 --> 01:25:53,667
Speaker 4: Premier League, Liverpool dropping points at home against Nottingham Forest

1648
01:25:53,867 --> 01:25:55,627
Speaker 4: and the young man can produce something for it.

1649
01:25:57,627 --> 01:26:03,947
Speaker 7: Hutchinson finding a way through smartstop from anison Kipswaits finishes

1650
01:26:04,027 --> 01:26:05,907
Speaker 7: the job surely.

1651
01:26:06,467 --> 01:26:10,867
Speaker 4: To Forests three nil to Nottingham Forest over Liverpool and

1652
01:26:11,147 --> 01:26:14,547
Speaker 4: Enfield and Manchester City lost as well to Newcastle Barns.

1653
01:26:16,667 --> 01:26:21,547
Speaker 15: Murphy bal Tomata and it's ten in.

1654
01:26:23,547 --> 01:26:28,307
Speaker 29: After much prevarication, Harvey Barns at Dan.

1655
01:26:29,947 --> 01:26:33,787
Speaker 7: Three girls now in the space of six minutes, two

1656
01:26:33,867 --> 01:26:35,867
Speaker 7: of them for Harvey Barnes at.

1657
01:26:35,787 --> 01:26:38,747
Speaker 4: Newcastle and a two to one win for Newcastle at

1658
01:26:38,787 --> 01:26:41,427
Speaker 4: home to Manchester City. Must mention Crystal Palace as well.

1659
01:26:41,547 --> 01:26:45,467
Speaker 4: They were two nil winners away at Wolverhampton. Dan Hooker

1660
01:26:46,187 --> 01:26:50,307
Speaker 4: lost by a submission in the octagon and Cutter this

1661
01:26:50,467 --> 01:26:52,267
Speaker 4: morning deciding.

1662
01:26:51,867 --> 01:26:53,867
Speaker 15: Whether or not to step off because he could lose

1663
01:26:53,947 --> 01:26:55,067
Speaker 15: position if because he'd.

1664
01:26:54,947 --> 01:26:56,827
Speaker 4: Get the child. You can tell Dan's kind of weak.

1665
01:26:57,747 --> 01:27:05,827
Speaker 4: Depending now for Dan Hooker and is the mister man

1666
01:27:06,907 --> 01:27:11,307
Speaker 4: Sorote Journey's back in contention. I'm on the Serukian showing

1667
01:27:11,347 --> 01:27:14,107
Speaker 4: his prow SC's now in line for a title shot

1668
01:27:14,747 --> 01:27:19,507
Speaker 4: and to rugby. France delivered Australia a winless Northern to us.

1669
01:27:19,507 --> 01:27:21,107
Speaker 7: Scrappy on the deck and I said, they're going to

1670
01:27:21,147 --> 01:27:24,347
Speaker 7: put some pressure on austray get their defensive line up,

1671
01:27:24,427 --> 01:27:27,467
Speaker 7: They're going to make their tackles take time and he

1672
01:27:27,587 --> 01:27:28,987
Speaker 7: come friends with their break.

1673
01:27:28,827 --> 01:27:33,667
Speaker 9: Out viewing here bearing for France.

1674
01:27:36,187 --> 01:27:38,987
Speaker 5: It's he's second and that likely enough.

1675
01:27:39,267 --> 01:27:41,787
Speaker 4: Forty eight thirty three the final score there and the

1676
01:27:41,867 --> 01:27:45,747
Speaker 4: spring box continue to prove that they are without doubt

1677
01:27:45,787 --> 01:27:48,627
Speaker 4: the number one side in world rugby. A twenty four

1678
01:27:48,627 --> 01:27:53,667
Speaker 4: to thirteen win over Ireland. The Irish drum pulverized once more.

1679
01:27:53,747 --> 01:27:55,427
Speaker 5: Finebag and Goma Zoo.

1680
01:27:56,667 --> 01:27:59,507
Speaker 11: Sutter. You sit the sad.

1681
01:28:02,307 --> 01:28:05,347
Speaker 4: Side through the completed defense of.

1682
01:28:05,427 --> 01:28:09,027
Speaker 1: The Irish when it's down to the line. You made

1683
01:28:09,067 --> 01:28:14,147
Speaker 1: a call on eight Weekend Sport with Jason Pine News

1684
01:28:14,227 --> 01:28:14,907
Speaker 1: Talks EV.

1685
01:28:15,507 --> 01:28:18,947
Speaker 4: Twelve minutes past two. The first Ashes cricket Test is

1686
01:28:19,067 --> 01:28:24,507
Speaker 4: over inside two days in Perth. Makeshift opener Travis Head

1687
01:28:24,627 --> 01:28:29,027
Speaker 4: has cracked the sixth equal fastest century in Test history

1688
01:28:29,467 --> 01:28:36,067
Speaker 4: to deliver Australia an eight wicket win over England, guards.

1689
01:28:35,747 --> 01:28:42,187
Speaker 29: It and gets the hundred short just sixty nine goals.

1690
01:28:42,227 --> 01:28:45,907
Speaker 29: But I'm so sweet for Travis Head. He was taken

1691
01:28:45,947 --> 01:28:49,587
Speaker 29: at the top and he has absolutely delivered Christine in

1692
01:28:49,707 --> 01:28:54,307
Speaker 29: one of the great Ashes hundreds. He preferred fastest one hundred.

1693
01:28:54,067 --> 01:28:57,627
Speaker 4: Pret Australia y Test cricket and needing to score two

1694
01:28:57,747 --> 01:29:00,107
Speaker 4: hundred and five to win the Test match, the highest

1695
01:29:00,147 --> 01:29:03,627
Speaker 4: score of the Test. Travis Head reached his one hundred

1696
01:29:03,707 --> 01:29:07,307
Speaker 4: off just sixty nine balls and eventually mashed one hundred

1697
01:29:07,347 --> 01:29:11,147
Speaker 4: and twenty three of just eighty three deliveries, sixteen fours

1698
01:29:11,187 --> 01:29:14,187
Speaker 4: and four six's, combining in stands of seventy five with

1699
01:29:14,387 --> 01:29:17,147
Speaker 4: Jake Weatherall for the first wicket and one hundred and

1700
01:29:17,227 --> 01:29:21,587
Speaker 4: seventeen with Manus Lava Shane for the second. Regular Saturday

1701
01:29:21,787 --> 01:29:26,187
Speaker 4: Australian correspondent Adam Peacock was in Perth yesterday and he

1702
01:29:26,347 --> 01:29:29,267
Speaker 4: joins us, now, how should we reflect on a Test

1703
01:29:29,707 --> 01:29:32,227
Speaker 4: that lasted just one hundred and forty one overs and

1704
01:29:32,347 --> 01:29:33,747
Speaker 4: finished inside two days?

1705
01:29:35,267 --> 01:29:39,107
Speaker 27: It was mad piney, good afternoon. Yeah, I'm back in

1706
01:29:39,187 --> 01:29:42,187
Speaker 27: Sydney already. Actually look at the red eye flight back

1707
01:29:43,667 --> 01:29:46,027
Speaker 27: back from Perth, and yeah, because I saw it was

1708
01:29:46,067 --> 01:29:48,787
Speaker 27: going to be a sunny Sunday in Sydney. So out

1709
01:29:48,827 --> 01:29:52,827
Speaker 27: of their quick, smart but just extraordinary. It's mad how

1710
01:29:53,147 --> 01:29:58,307
Speaker 27: quickly it all happened, and just a violent momentum changes.

1711
01:29:58,747 --> 01:30:01,707
Speaker 27: They weren't just subtle ones and see in Test cricket

1712
01:30:01,747 --> 01:30:04,347
Speaker 27: they were just like it all happened in clumps. It

1713
01:30:04,467 --> 01:30:05,147
Speaker 27: was extraordinary.

1714
01:30:05,787 --> 01:30:08,867
Speaker 4: Travis Head one hundred and twenty three off three's aside

1715
01:30:08,907 --> 01:30:11,347
Speaker 4: his century off sixty nine balls. Tell us a bit

1716
01:30:11,387 --> 01:30:12,107
Speaker 4: about his innings.

1717
01:30:13,227 --> 01:30:17,627
Speaker 27: Yeah, he was watchful enough by his standards to start

1718
01:30:17,707 --> 01:30:21,307
Speaker 27: with and then just got in a rhythm like he does.

1719
01:30:21,347 --> 01:30:23,187
Speaker 27: And we've seen it before. We've seen it in Test

1720
01:30:23,227 --> 01:30:27,427
Speaker 27: cricket before, we've seen it in World Cup finals before

1721
01:30:27,867 --> 01:30:30,347
Speaker 27: against India. It was actually the two year anniversary this week.

1722
01:30:30,387 --> 01:30:32,667
Speaker 27: If he's if he's not in the World Cup Final,

1723
01:30:32,827 --> 01:30:35,147
Speaker 27: he's come up with something as special to take the

1724
01:30:35,227 --> 01:30:40,507
Speaker 27: game away from England in literally an hour. Once he

1725
01:30:40,667 --> 01:30:43,027
Speaker 27: once he got on a roll that I was down

1726
01:30:43,107 --> 01:30:46,587
Speaker 27: there on the boundary rope and you just saw the

1727
01:30:47,387 --> 01:30:49,747
Speaker 27: the body language of the English. It just like the

1728
01:30:49,867 --> 01:30:51,947
Speaker 27: life has been sucked out of the ball by ball

1729
01:30:52,187 --> 01:30:53,747
Speaker 27: and by the time they got to the end of

1730
01:30:53,787 --> 01:30:56,227
Speaker 27: it that I just had no answers. Even Marnus was

1731
01:30:56,267 --> 01:30:58,827
Speaker 27: getting in in the act and charging and moving around

1732
01:30:58,867 --> 01:31:01,867
Speaker 27: the crease to fashion shots that he wouldn't ordinarily come

1733
01:31:01,987 --> 01:31:02,147
Speaker 27: up with.

1734
01:31:02,387 --> 01:31:04,987
Speaker 6: So it was just it was just so weird, so

1735
01:31:05,227 --> 01:31:05,987
Speaker 6: weird what happened.

1736
01:31:06,507 --> 01:31:08,387
Speaker 4: So Travis h was only opening the batting, wasn't he

1737
01:31:08,467 --> 01:31:10,027
Speaker 4: as a as a bit of a makeshift open He

1738
01:31:10,067 --> 01:31:11,907
Speaker 4: normally beats sort of four or five, doesn't he. But

1739
01:31:12,547 --> 01:31:16,467
Speaker 4: still an issue around Usmand Kawaja and his injury. They

1740
01:31:16,507 --> 01:31:20,067
Speaker 4: won't move Trevors hit up as a permanent opener. Will

1741
01:31:20,107 --> 01:31:22,187
Speaker 4: they that this is just kind of a one off thing.

1742
01:31:23,147 --> 01:31:25,307
Speaker 6: Yeah, hard to know.

1743
01:31:25,587 --> 01:31:30,027
Speaker 27: They've got options now. So I didn't know that there's

1744
01:31:30,067 --> 01:31:32,667
Speaker 27: a C eleven game going on at the moment over

1745
01:31:32,747 --> 01:31:37,187
Speaker 27: there in Perth against England lines and Josh Engliss opened

1746
01:31:37,547 --> 01:31:40,107
Speaker 27: for the C eleven, So I don't know if that

1747
01:31:40,267 --> 01:31:43,307
Speaker 27: was a because Josh Engliss was in the test squad,

1748
01:31:43,867 --> 01:31:45,707
Speaker 27: if that was a thought that they might go down

1749
01:31:45,787 --> 01:31:48,747
Speaker 27: that path if Kawasha doesn't come up. Look Usma Kawaja.

1750
01:31:48,987 --> 01:31:52,587
Speaker 27: Obviously he's had back spasms, and the usual thought is

1751
01:31:52,627 --> 01:31:54,427
Speaker 27: if you go out with something like that, come back in.

1752
01:31:54,547 --> 01:31:57,307
Speaker 27: You didn't lose your spot if there was mitigating circumstances

1753
01:31:57,347 --> 01:32:02,827
Speaker 27: about your condition. But he's backspasms masked a greater problem.

1754
01:32:02,947 --> 01:32:05,107
Speaker 27: So there might be something structurally wrong with Usman at

1755
01:32:05,147 --> 01:32:06,627
Speaker 27: the moment that he needs to take care of and

1756
01:32:06,707 --> 01:32:08,107
Speaker 27: it might ruin out of the second test.

1757
01:32:08,107 --> 01:32:08,867
Speaker 6: I don't know what they do.

1758
01:32:09,507 --> 01:32:13,067
Speaker 27: I doubt that they'd put Travis's head up the top

1759
01:32:13,907 --> 01:32:16,507
Speaker 27: unless they were forced to what they were yesterday. But

1760
01:32:17,067 --> 01:32:18,707
Speaker 27: as we saw, it's a pretty good fullback option.

1761
01:32:19,387 --> 01:32:22,507
Speaker 4: Absolutely well. England and their second innings at one point

1762
01:32:22,587 --> 01:32:25,947
Speaker 4: were sixty five for one with Ben Duckett and Oli

1763
01:32:26,027 --> 01:32:27,827
Speaker 4: Pope together, So they had a lead of over one

1764
01:32:27,867 --> 01:32:32,067
Speaker 4: hundred by that stage and still nine second in things

1765
01:32:32,067 --> 01:32:37,587
Speaker 4: wickets in hand. Is there just not an inclination or

1766
01:32:37,667 --> 01:32:40,867
Speaker 4: an ability to not bas ball at anymore? Is that

1767
01:32:41,027 --> 01:32:42,667
Speaker 4: just the way they play regardless?

1768
01:32:42,747 --> 01:32:47,507
Speaker 27: Now, yeah, there were hitting balls that you could leave,

1769
01:32:47,787 --> 01:32:49,707
Speaker 27: and you saw that with Travis Head and Jake wheather

1770
01:32:49,827 --> 01:32:52,627
Speaker 27: Or at the top of the Australian fourth innings. You

1771
01:32:52,667 --> 01:32:55,307
Speaker 27: didn't have to hit every ball and once you got

1772
01:32:55,427 --> 01:32:57,707
Speaker 27: the pace of the wicket then you can start to

1773
01:32:57,747 --> 01:33:01,827
Speaker 27: go after things. Look at the finite thing. Travis Head

1774
01:33:01,907 --> 01:33:04,587
Speaker 27: was hitting shots that on another day perhaps they get

1775
01:33:04,627 --> 01:33:07,027
Speaker 27: a three feet to the left. We spoke yesterday the

1776
01:33:07,107 --> 01:33:11,827
Speaker 27: shot that he played on day one, that it was

1777
01:33:12,227 --> 01:33:15,027
Speaker 27: just a weird shot. He couldn't help himself. Well, a

1778
01:33:15,107 --> 01:33:17,227
Speaker 27: lot of the shots he played yesterday he couldn't help himself.

1779
01:33:17,347 --> 01:33:18,947
Speaker 27: Was just this time they were finding the gap. So

1780
01:33:19,027 --> 01:33:22,267
Speaker 27: that's what you've got to accept with Travor's head. I

1781
01:33:22,307 --> 01:33:24,227
Speaker 27: think the problem for England is that they've got about

1782
01:33:24,347 --> 01:33:27,827
Speaker 27: four like that in their top six. I would say

1783
01:33:27,867 --> 01:33:30,627
Speaker 27: that Joe Root and Ben Stokes and the only two

1784
01:33:30,707 --> 01:33:33,227
Speaker 27: that can really control themselves when they see something that

1785
01:33:33,307 --> 01:33:37,027
Speaker 27: they like. So yeah, yesterday was one of those days

1786
01:33:37,067 --> 01:33:40,307
Speaker 27: where they just was just capitulated by virtue of the

1787
01:33:40,347 --> 01:33:42,507
Speaker 27: fact that they couldn't show a B the patients.

1788
01:33:43,467 --> 01:33:46,587
Speaker 4: Is there a degree of disappointment that anybody who had

1789
01:33:46,667 --> 01:33:50,147
Speaker 4: tickets from day three onwards won't see any cricket.

1790
01:33:51,187 --> 01:33:55,187
Speaker 27: Yeah, yeah, I don't like two days as extraordinary as

1791
01:33:55,307 --> 01:33:57,827
Speaker 27: yesterday was in the last session. I don't like to

1792
01:33:57,867 --> 01:34:01,387
Speaker 27: see two day tests. It doesn't help anyone really, you

1793
01:34:01,467 --> 01:34:04,387
Speaker 27: wanted to see it least three days. I mean crew

1794
01:34:04,427 --> 01:34:07,347
Speaker 27: of Australia they've been in the fetal position finance today,

1795
01:34:07,867 --> 01:34:10,627
Speaker 27: but the fact that they've had to refund a sellout

1796
01:34:10,667 --> 01:34:14,147
Speaker 27: crowd today, a near sellout on day four and probably

1797
01:34:14,187 --> 01:34:16,707
Speaker 27: a few tickets on day five as well. But you

1798
01:34:16,907 --> 01:34:19,747
Speaker 27: run your risk in the modern day of I think

1799
01:34:20,987 --> 01:34:23,107
Speaker 27: there's been thirty four tests this year, nine of them

1800
01:34:23,147 --> 01:34:26,467
Speaker 27: gone five days, and to five of those were the

1801
01:34:26,747 --> 01:34:30,027
Speaker 27: England India Test series. So elsewhere in the world only

1802
01:34:30,107 --> 01:34:33,347
Speaker 27: four tests have gone five days in all of twenty

1803
01:34:33,427 --> 01:34:36,547
Speaker 27: twenty five, so it's a weird. I'll set up right now,

1804
01:34:36,667 --> 01:34:39,627
Speaker 27: But yeah, I'd like to see a bit more cricket

1805
01:34:39,667 --> 01:34:42,507
Speaker 27: played please. You mentioned at the top under two hundred

1806
01:34:42,707 --> 01:34:45,547
Speaker 27: overs in the whole match. That's that's not great, that's

1807
01:34:45,587 --> 01:34:50,467
Speaker 27: not fantastic. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully it's not the precursor

1808
01:34:50,587 --> 01:34:52,347
Speaker 27: to something to come throughout the whole series.

1809
01:34:52,907 --> 01:34:55,187
Speaker 4: And just the word on Mitchell Stark, who picked up

1810
01:34:55,227 --> 01:34:57,227
Speaker 4: ten wickets for the match. I know he was a

1811
01:34:57,307 --> 01:35:01,387
Speaker 4: guest of yours on your excellent Willow Talk podcast. He

1812
01:35:01,547 --> 01:35:03,707
Speaker 4: just keeps on keeping on, doesn't he. Well over four

1813
01:35:03,787 --> 01:35:07,107
Speaker 4: hundred wickets. Now, how many more years would Stark have

1814
01:35:07,627 --> 01:35:09,027
Speaker 4: in the tank and teast matches?

1815
01:35:09,907 --> 01:35:10,107
Speaker 16: Well?

1816
01:35:10,387 --> 01:35:14,787
Speaker 27: Now that he's given up two twenty internationals, So yeah,

1817
01:35:14,787 --> 01:35:16,947
Speaker 27: he might go around for another One Day World Cup,

1818
01:35:17,067 --> 01:35:19,947
Speaker 27: but I think he's going to prioritize playing Test matches,

1819
01:35:20,027 --> 01:35:22,107
Speaker 27: so I can see him go around for another couple

1820
01:35:22,187 --> 01:35:27,187
Speaker 27: at least. Yeah, he'll have IPL I can't see him

1821
01:35:27,187 --> 01:35:31,107
Speaker 27: playing too much more franchise cricket apart from that, so yeah,

1822
01:35:31,667 --> 01:35:34,427
Speaker 27: a couple more years. I could conceivably see him go

1823
01:35:34,787 --> 01:35:38,147
Speaker 27: to the Ashes series away in twenty twenty seven. I

1824
01:35:38,227 --> 01:35:41,547
Speaker 27: can't see why not. So yeah, he's in superb physical

1825
01:35:41,587 --> 01:35:44,947
Speaker 27: condition at this stage. It's a long summer. It's one

1826
01:35:45,027 --> 01:35:47,667
Speaker 27: Test match, a very short Test match, which helps everyone.

1827
01:35:48,107 --> 01:35:52,587
Speaker 27: But yeah, he's prepared. It's no surprise that he's come

1828
01:35:52,667 --> 01:35:54,587
Speaker 27: up with a result like this given how he's prepared.

1829
01:35:54,947 --> 01:35:57,707
Speaker 27: I saw his preparation all the way through from a

1830
01:35:57,787 --> 01:35:59,507
Speaker 27: couple of months ago up there in Brisbane where he

1831
01:35:59,587 --> 01:36:02,107
Speaker 27: just started running again. He needed an ankle thing could

1832
01:36:02,147 --> 01:36:04,187
Speaker 27: look after. He need a quarter zone and he's just

1833
01:36:04,267 --> 01:36:06,347
Speaker 27: slowly built, slowly built. Played a bit of white Book

1834
01:36:06,627 --> 01:36:08,627
Speaker 27: for Australia, play the shargwn for you South Wales and

1835
01:36:09,187 --> 01:36:10,507
Speaker 27: it's turned out perfectly for it.

1836
01:36:11,507 --> 01:36:15,107
Speaker 4: I appreciate you chatting to us on a different day.

1837
01:36:15,267 --> 01:36:18,347
Speaker 4: Enjoy the rest of your sunny Sunday in Sydney, Adam.

1838
01:36:18,387 --> 01:36:19,827
Speaker 4: Thanks for taking our call, mate.

1839
01:36:20,507 --> 01:36:24,787
Speaker 27: I'm spending lunch time watching Newcastle United in Manchester City.

1840
01:36:24,827 --> 01:36:25,587
Speaker 6: I know what happens.

1841
01:36:25,627 --> 01:36:26,507
Speaker 27: I just want to relive it.

1842
01:36:26,667 --> 01:36:33,667
Speaker 4: So what a twenty four hours for you. Incredible love

1843
01:36:33,747 --> 01:36:36,707
Speaker 4: it mate, Thanks thanks again. Adam Peacock joining us. He's

1844
01:36:36,747 --> 01:36:39,667
Speaker 4: our regular Saturday correspondent of course, but checking in today

1845
01:36:39,747 --> 01:36:41,867
Speaker 4: with what happened at the Ashes yesterday. Yeh. Check out

1846
01:36:41,867 --> 01:36:45,027
Speaker 4: the Willow Talk podcast he and Brad Hadden are in

1847
01:36:45,147 --> 01:36:47,987
Speaker 4: charge of that and it's a very very good listen.

1848
01:36:48,627 --> 01:36:52,867
Speaker 4: I keep for your thoughts on this. Imagine if you

1849
01:36:53,027 --> 01:36:58,067
Speaker 4: had tickets for Day three of the first Ashes Test

1850
01:36:58,147 --> 01:37:01,747
Speaker 4: in Perth today, and thousands and thousands of people will

1851
01:37:01,867 --> 01:37:06,667
Speaker 4: have had tickets, Families who perhaps could only have to

1852
01:37:06,707 --> 01:37:08,907
Speaker 4: go to one day, so they would have chosen today

1853
01:37:09,027 --> 01:37:13,147
Speaker 4: Sunday as the day they get along. Day three normally

1854
01:37:13,347 --> 01:37:16,547
Speaker 4: a good day in a Test match. What about the

1855
01:37:16,627 --> 01:37:19,667
Speaker 4: corporates who will have selected today as the day they

1856
01:37:19,747 --> 01:37:22,907
Speaker 4: bring their their clients, their customers along to, you know,

1857
01:37:23,067 --> 01:37:25,907
Speaker 4: to sort of whine and dine them at the cricket.

1858
01:37:25,947 --> 01:37:30,267
Speaker 4: What about all the food that's been ordered in advance,

1859
01:37:31,187 --> 01:37:34,507
Speaker 4: ready for the thousands and thousands of hungary and thirsty

1860
01:37:35,587 --> 01:37:38,867
Speaker 4: patrons today. What happens to all of that food? Cricket

1861
01:37:38,987 --> 01:37:41,387
Speaker 4: fans of all types will have planned to day at

1862
01:37:41,387 --> 01:37:43,547
Speaker 4: the cricket today, but there's no cricket for them because

1863
01:37:44,227 --> 01:37:47,227
Speaker 4: in the space of one hundred and forty one overs,

1864
01:37:48,667 --> 01:37:51,827
Speaker 4: the game's done. And this wasn't a two day Test

1865
01:37:51,907 --> 01:37:54,507
Speaker 4: because of any demons in the wicket. It's not because

1866
01:37:55,427 --> 01:37:58,387
Speaker 4: of an art a mismatch. These are too of supposedly

1867
01:37:58,467 --> 01:38:02,707
Speaker 4: the best test teams in the world starting their battle

1868
01:38:02,787 --> 01:38:04,787
Speaker 4: for the oldest prize in the game. Theyse to have

1869
01:38:04,867 --> 01:38:07,947
Speaker 4: been playing test cricket against each other for one hundred

1870
01:38:07,947 --> 01:38:11,067
Speaker 4: and forty eight years, and all of a sudden the

1871
01:38:11,147 --> 01:38:13,947
Speaker 4: current crop have either forgotten how to play this form

1872
01:38:13,987 --> 01:38:15,707
Speaker 4: of the game or they just can't be bothered anymore.

1873
01:38:16,227 --> 01:38:21,867
Speaker 4: What happened to occupying the crease, playing yourself in, getting

1874
01:38:21,907 --> 01:38:24,387
Speaker 4: a gauge on the pitch, the conditions the opposition bowler

1875
01:38:24,427 --> 01:38:27,947
Speaker 4: is putting a price on your wicket, building partnerships, grinding

1876
01:38:28,027 --> 01:38:30,867
Speaker 4: the other team down, keeping them out there in the

1877
01:38:30,907 --> 01:38:33,027
Speaker 4: hot sun for as long as possible. What happened to

1878
01:38:33,067 --> 01:38:38,187
Speaker 4: a bit of application? Or is this now what Test

1879
01:38:38,227 --> 01:38:42,547
Speaker 4: cricket is just a slightly longer game of T twenty.

1880
01:38:44,307 --> 01:38:47,147
Speaker 4: Look if it is, then I guess that's okay. But

1881
01:38:47,267 --> 01:38:50,707
Speaker 4: we do need to have a serious chat about reducing

1882
01:38:50,747 --> 01:38:53,147
Speaker 4: test matches from five days down to four. Adam Peacock

1883
01:38:53,147 --> 01:38:56,547
Speaker 4: has pointed it out, the very small percentage of tests

1884
01:38:56,587 --> 01:38:59,707
Speaker 4: that now go to five days. I mean, can you,

1885
01:38:59,787 --> 01:39:01,507
Speaker 4: with hand on heart say that you think any of

1886
01:39:01,587 --> 01:39:04,427
Speaker 4: the three test matches between New Zealand and the West

1887
01:39:04,467 --> 01:39:08,427
Speaker 4: Indies next month will go five days, not because the

1888
01:39:08,467 --> 01:39:10,867
Speaker 4: Western these will necessarily come out on bas ballot, but

1889
01:39:11,547 --> 01:39:16,107
Speaker 4: because they now can't field a Test side that you

1890
01:39:16,227 --> 01:39:19,947
Speaker 4: have any confidence in. We can talk some meshes of

1891
01:39:20,027 --> 01:39:22,107
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Hello, Dallas.

1892
01:39:23,747 --> 01:39:24,147
Speaker 6: Heiney.

1893
01:39:26,507 --> 01:39:27,227
Speaker 3: It's changed.

1894
01:39:27,387 --> 01:39:31,587
Speaker 30: Test cricket has changed forever now and it's because of

1895
01:39:32,347 --> 01:39:36,547
Speaker 30: basball and T twenty. T twenty and Test cricket will merge.

1896
01:39:37,547 --> 01:39:41,307
Speaker 30: You watch in five years, they will merge completely and

1897
01:39:41,467 --> 01:39:43,947
Speaker 30: there won't be two different types of player, will be

1898
01:39:44,027 --> 01:39:47,907
Speaker 30: the same Travis Head type of player, and it'll be

1899
01:39:48,547 --> 01:39:51,267
Speaker 30: What I'm really interested is do they leave Travis Head

1900
01:39:51,267 --> 01:39:55,347
Speaker 30: at the top of the order, because if that is true,

1901
01:39:56,147 --> 01:39:58,907
Speaker 30: that means T twenty has won, and.

1902
01:39:59,307 --> 01:40:00,587
Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't be a posted.

1903
01:40:00,667 --> 01:40:02,267
Speaker 30: I just love to see that.

1904
01:40:02,587 --> 01:40:04,187
Speaker 27: And if they did that, they would.

1905
01:40:03,987 --> 01:40:06,867
Speaker 30: Bring in Mitch Marsh if they had any flair. They're

1906
01:40:06,867 --> 01:40:09,987
Speaker 30: bringing miss Vash who is the same type of player

1907
01:40:10,067 --> 01:40:13,867
Speaker 30: for the middle order, which would really bring some excitement

1908
01:40:13,947 --> 01:40:16,707
Speaker 30: in there. So yeah, I think players these days that

1909
01:40:16,787 --> 01:40:20,027
Speaker 30: don't care about losing all those Things's players they'll be

1910
01:40:20,107 --> 01:40:22,427
Speaker 30: out enjoying a game of golf today.

1911
01:40:23,187 --> 01:40:24,467
Speaker 3: They don't care about loving.

1912
01:40:24,547 --> 01:40:27,787
Speaker 4: Will they will? They don't tell us. I still, I

1913
01:40:27,907 --> 01:40:30,747
Speaker 4: know what you're saying, and I and I get that

1914
01:40:30,987 --> 01:40:33,427
Speaker 4: times have changed, But I say.

1915
01:40:33,307 --> 01:40:33,787
Speaker 5: What happened?

1916
01:40:34,187 --> 01:40:38,467
Speaker 4: What occupying the crease playing balls on their merits?

1917
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Speaker 24: You know?

1918
01:40:38,907 --> 01:40:41,587
Speaker 4: Like I've just had a message through from a colleague

1919
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Speaker 4: saying that he understands that Cricket Australia have lost five

1920
01:40:44,987 --> 01:40:48,307
Speaker 4: million dollars because that test ended on day two. I

1921
01:40:48,387 --> 01:40:50,667
Speaker 4: mean they'll be, they'll be, they'll be crying into their

1922
01:40:50,907 --> 01:40:52,787
Speaker 4: I mean they'll have masses of beer leaft because I

1923
01:40:52,787 --> 01:40:54,547
Speaker 4: haven't been a a sell it, they'll be crying into it.

1924
01:40:56,067 --> 01:40:58,347
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a problem I must have met. That's a problem.

1925
01:40:58,427 --> 01:41:00,747
Speaker 30: But on the plot side, it's going to be a

1926
01:41:00,827 --> 01:41:04,947
Speaker 30: sellout for for Brisbane days day one and two.

1927
01:41:05,187 --> 01:41:07,787
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't be buying ticket beyond that. I wouldn't

1928
01:41:07,787 --> 01:41:09,507
Speaker 4: be booked tickets beyond that.

1929
01:41:10,307 --> 01:41:10,507
Speaker 6: Look.

1930
01:41:10,667 --> 01:41:13,107
Speaker 4: Actually, my producer Andy, who you've probably spoke to, is

1931
01:41:13,747 --> 01:41:16,747
Speaker 4: when you rung through, has got tickets to the Adelaide

1932
01:41:16,867 --> 01:41:20,787
Speaker 4: Test in I think it's it starts on Wednesday, the

1933
01:41:20,907 --> 01:41:24,187
Speaker 4: seventeenth of December. Actually we can probably bring them in.

1934
01:41:24,267 --> 01:41:27,067
Speaker 4: Have you got tickets for the whole test, Andy, or

1935
01:41:27,147 --> 01:41:30,107
Speaker 4: have you just bought day one tickets? What have you

1936
01:41:30,227 --> 01:41:34,547
Speaker 4: done finding I've got four day, four day tickets. Good.

1937
01:41:35,187 --> 01:41:37,107
Speaker 4: You need to, You'll need to. You'll need to find

1938
01:41:37,187 --> 01:41:41,507
Speaker 4: something else to do on day four, definitely, maybe day three.

1939
01:41:41,707 --> 01:41:44,227
Speaker 31: I'm very concerned about all of this. I've actually started

1940
01:41:44,267 --> 01:41:47,907
Speaker 31: to book a look at booking and like wine tours

1941
01:41:47,987 --> 01:41:53,467
Speaker 31: up the Barossa Valley tours tours across Adelaide, because I

1942
01:41:53,627 --> 01:41:55,547
Speaker 31: don't want to be stuck there with nothing to do.

1943
01:41:55,627 --> 01:41:57,747
Speaker 31: It's I've been told I've never been it, but I've

1944
01:41:57,747 --> 01:42:00,747
Speaker 31: been told it's a fantastic, fantastic place to visit. So

1945
01:42:00,747 --> 01:42:02,747
Speaker 31: I will be fine, but I'm quite concerning. I want

1946
01:42:02,787 --> 01:42:07,067
Speaker 31: to I will be absolutely ropeable if it's a two

1947
01:42:07,147 --> 01:42:09,307
Speaker 31: and a bit day test that I that I bok

1948
01:42:09,347 --> 01:42:09,907
Speaker 31: out all the money to.

1949
01:42:11,507 --> 01:42:13,387
Speaker 30: You'll see the players on the wine to its.

1950
01:42:15,827 --> 01:42:20,107
Speaker 31: True actually at the budge, at the costs suddenly skyrockets

1951
01:42:20,107 --> 01:42:22,307
Speaker 31: because demands a lot higher as well. I might try

1952
01:42:22,307 --> 01:42:23,707
Speaker 31: to keep an eye out for them as well, but

1953
01:42:25,067 --> 01:42:25,467
Speaker 31: a piece of.

1954
01:42:26,387 --> 01:42:28,707
Speaker 4: Something that surge pricing because there will be all these

1955
01:42:28,747 --> 01:42:31,587
Speaker 4: people with a couple of days on their hands. Hey, Dallas,

1956
01:42:31,627 --> 01:42:35,147
Speaker 4: thanks mate, good to chat. The next Test, incidentally between

1957
01:42:35,187 --> 01:42:39,027
Speaker 4: these two, is scheduled for Brisbane December. And I say this,

1958
01:42:39,187 --> 01:42:41,707
Speaker 4: you know with a grain of salt, from December four

1959
01:42:41,987 --> 01:42:45,387
Speaker 4: to eight, so certainly December four and five. But you would,

1960
01:42:45,427 --> 01:42:50,827
Speaker 4: wouldn't you, You would be now reticent to buy tickets

1961
01:42:50,867 --> 01:42:53,107
Speaker 4: for anything beyond well, I was going to say beyond

1962
01:42:53,227 --> 01:42:57,227
Speaker 4: day three, but you know, like I said, there'll be

1963
01:42:57,267 --> 01:42:59,427
Speaker 4: a lot of people who bought Day three tickets and

1964
01:42:59,547 --> 01:43:02,267
Speaker 4: have to be refunded. But it's not the refunder say

1965
01:43:02,307 --> 01:43:04,187
Speaker 4: get your money back so you don't lose out. But

1966
01:43:04,267 --> 01:43:06,187
Speaker 4: yet what you lose out on is watching a day

1967
01:43:06,227 --> 01:43:09,747
Speaker 4: of cricket. That's the only test as I understand it

1968
01:43:09,907 --> 01:43:14,267
Speaker 4: in Perth this summer. So a lot of people would say, okay,

1969
01:43:14,267 --> 01:43:15,787
Speaker 4: we'll get along on the Sunday, that'll be a good

1970
01:43:15,827 --> 01:43:19,347
Speaker 4: day to go along. Well, you know it's a we'll

1971
01:43:19,387 --> 01:43:23,147
Speaker 4: get there. Turn up at Optors today and there's nobody there.

1972
01:43:23,627 --> 01:43:26,387
Speaker 4: Two twenty sevenitor is, we'll take a break, come back

1973
01:43:26,467 --> 01:43:29,307
Speaker 4: more cricket if you like. We'll also talk some some

1974
01:43:29,427 --> 01:43:32,427
Speaker 4: Grand Prix and some rugby league before three o'clock.

1975
01:43:32,667 --> 01:43:39,147
Speaker 1: One crouch Hold engaged Weekend Sports with Jason Pain and GJ. Gunderholmes,

1976
01:43:39,387 --> 01:43:42,307
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talk to Bailey.

1977
01:43:42,907 --> 01:43:45,707
Speaker 4: Two thirty from Glenn on email Jason, Australia open They're

1978
01:43:45,707 --> 01:43:48,507
Speaker 4: own chase with Travis Head aka their own version of

1979
01:43:48,547 --> 01:43:51,947
Speaker 4: bas ball and how it worked brilliant, although perhaps as

1980
01:43:52,027 --> 01:43:55,107
Speaker 4: much as a result of player injury as tactical. Now.

1981
01:43:55,667 --> 01:43:57,947
Speaker 4: I do worry for England, says Glenn, who are going

1982
01:43:57,987 --> 01:44:00,867
Speaker 4: to have to be more circumspect in their approach. Good

1983
01:44:00,947 --> 01:44:04,347
Speaker 4: coaches are able to change tactics, so we'll find out

1984
01:44:04,387 --> 01:44:06,467
Speaker 4: how good McCullum is. As one thing you have to

1985
01:44:06,547 --> 01:44:09,747
Speaker 4: do is respect your opponent and attack their weaknesses. This

1986
01:44:09,907 --> 01:44:13,387
Speaker 4: Australian attack is not a weakness and Pat Commers is

1987
01:44:13,467 --> 01:44:16,747
Speaker 4: still to return. This will be a whitewash unless England

1988
01:44:17,067 --> 01:44:18,987
Speaker 4: changed their tactics. Thank you, Glen.

1989
01:44:19,027 --> 01:44:19,147
Speaker 18: Well.

1990
01:44:19,187 --> 01:44:21,947
Speaker 4: Let's hear from Ben Stokes, the captain of England. What

1991
01:44:22,027 --> 01:44:25,267
Speaker 4: were his initial thoughts after this very short Test match?

1992
01:44:26,267 --> 01:44:30,787
Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, obviously pretty tough, you know, going into our

1993
01:44:30,867 --> 01:44:35,627
Speaker 23: bowling innings there where, you know, Australia had to chase

1994
01:44:35,707 --> 01:44:39,107
Speaker 23: the sort of highest square of the Test. Much we

1995
01:44:39,267 --> 01:44:42,627
Speaker 23: were you know, we're pretty confident in our abilities be

1996
01:44:42,667 --> 01:44:46,227
Speaker 23: able to go on bold them out. But yeah, I

1997
01:44:46,307 --> 01:44:48,347
Speaker 23: mean at the moment, still in a little bit of

1998
01:44:48,427 --> 01:44:51,547
Speaker 23: a wow phase after what Travis had just done to us.

1999
01:44:53,307 --> 01:44:57,227
Speaker 23: It was, yeah, pretty incredible special not from Travis.

2000
01:44:57,347 --> 01:44:59,627
Speaker 4: Were they a bit shell shocked England with the way

2001
01:44:59,707 --> 01:45:01,587
Speaker 4: that Australia set about the run chase?

2002
01:45:01,907 --> 01:45:04,347
Speaker 23: Yeah, I think you know, it was obvious to us

2003
01:45:04,347 --> 01:45:05,867
Speaker 23: as a group when Travis came out. It was off

2004
01:45:05,947 --> 01:45:09,787
Speaker 23: the order there with Jake that they'd sent Travis out

2005
01:45:09,827 --> 01:45:12,547
Speaker 23: there to play the role in which he was so

2006
01:45:12,667 --> 01:45:18,107
Speaker 23: successful at doing. And yeah, it was it was so

2007
01:45:18,307 --> 01:45:23,227
Speaker 23: hard to be able to continue with plans in which

2008
01:45:23,587 --> 01:45:26,107
Speaker 23: you know, we tried to implement because he had an

2009
01:45:26,107 --> 01:45:28,827
Speaker 23: answer for everything. You know, we went through three four,

2010
01:45:29,107 --> 01:45:32,067
Speaker 23: five different modes to try and get the wicked of

2011
01:45:32,107 --> 01:45:34,427
Speaker 23: Travis because when he was going, we knew that he

2012
01:45:34,507 --> 01:45:37,067
Speaker 23: was going to be the big one. But yeah, he

2013
01:45:37,107 --> 01:45:39,827
Speaker 23: just had an answer to absolutely everything. And you know,

2014
01:45:39,907 --> 01:45:41,827
Speaker 23: he really took the balls on and it was.

2015
01:45:44,187 --> 01:45:47,187
Speaker 4: Some knock And how big a concern was it for

2016
01:45:47,267 --> 01:45:50,587
Speaker 4: being Stokes that across the entire Test mates the two innings,

2017
01:45:51,107 --> 01:45:54,427
Speaker 4: England were only able to bet for sixty seven overs.

2018
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Speaker 23: Well by that, you know that inning's there, you know,

2019
01:45:59,267 --> 01:46:02,747
Speaker 23: Australia chasing down two hundred and was it less than

2020
01:46:02,827 --> 01:46:07,227
Speaker 23: thirty overs? You know, nineteen wickets fell on day one

2021
01:46:07,307 --> 01:46:12,267
Speaker 23: and the guys who had success out in the middle

2022
01:46:13,427 --> 01:46:17,147
Speaker 23: were the ones who are brave enough to to take

2023
01:46:17,187 --> 01:46:19,907
Speaker 23: the bowlers on and get them off the length, which

2024
01:46:20,107 --> 01:46:27,507
Speaker 23: was you know, the most successful. You know, watching our

2025
01:46:27,587 --> 01:46:32,067
Speaker 23: guys bowl on that first innings, they just looked, you know,

2026
01:46:32,147 --> 01:46:34,387
Speaker 23: impossible in particular for Malus and Steve to be able

2027
01:46:34,427 --> 01:46:36,747
Speaker 23: to score when we were able to run up and

2028
01:46:37,027 --> 01:46:41,587
Speaker 23: smash away at that length. And I guess, you know,

2029
01:46:41,747 --> 01:46:48,267
Speaker 23: for us and for me in conditions like that on

2030
01:46:48,387 --> 01:46:51,427
Speaker 23: wickets like that that offer a lot to bowlers. When

2031
01:46:52,187 --> 01:46:56,107
Speaker 23: you are the one who's managed to get the time

2032
01:46:56,147 --> 01:46:58,507
Speaker 23: out in the middle, read the wicket and understand it,

2033
01:46:58,547 --> 01:47:00,507
Speaker 23: it's just realizing that you know enough, never enough, even

2034
01:47:00,507 --> 01:47:02,347
Speaker 23: on a wicked that is obviously offering a lot to

2035
01:47:02,387 --> 01:47:06,707
Speaker 23: the bowlers. Yeah, it's pretty obviously the guys he managed

2036
01:47:06,707 --> 01:47:08,587
Speaker 23: to find success up they were the ones who really

2037
01:47:08,627 --> 01:47:10,747
Speaker 23: decided to take the game on because it was a

2038
01:47:10,787 --> 01:47:11,507
Speaker 23: lot happening out there.

2039
01:47:11,707 --> 01:47:15,387
Speaker 4: Those are the postmatch thoughts of England captain Ben Stokes.

2040
01:47:15,707 --> 01:47:19,107
Speaker 4: The second Ashes Test are set to begin in Brisbane

2041
01:47:19,427 --> 01:47:23,667
Speaker 4: on the fourth of December. Just on twenty six away

2042
01:47:23,787 --> 01:47:27,107
Speaker 4: from three Let's move to Rugby League, Melbourne Storm forward

2043
01:47:27,187 --> 01:47:30,907
Speaker 4: Ali Katoa won't play in the NRL next year. The

2044
01:47:30,987 --> 01:47:33,507
Speaker 4: club have confirmed he won't be available for the twenty

2045
01:47:33,587 --> 01:47:37,707
Speaker 4: twenty sixth season after he needed emergency brain surgery and

2046
01:47:37,787 --> 01:47:39,867
Speaker 4: the wake of tong has lost to the Kiwis in Auckland.

2047
01:47:39,867 --> 01:47:42,827
Speaker 4: Earlier this month, the twenty five year old former Warriors

2048
01:47:42,867 --> 01:47:46,947
Speaker 4: player was rushed to hospital having taken three head knocks

2049
01:47:47,027 --> 01:47:52,307
Speaker 4: before and during the Pacific Championship Test. Storm CEO Justin

2050
01:47:52,427 --> 01:47:55,747
Speaker 4: Rodsky says cart Tower has returned to Melbourne, but after

2051
01:47:55,867 --> 01:47:59,787
Speaker 4: consultation with the club's doctor and some neuro specialists, he

2052
01:47:59,867 --> 01:48:03,787
Speaker 4: will not be available in twenty twenty six. Let's get

2053
01:48:03,827 --> 01:48:08,587
Speaker 4: some further insight into this, Kiwis doctor Greg mcclouds with us. Greig,

2054
01:48:08,627 --> 01:48:10,467
Speaker 4: thanks for taking the time for a chat this afternoon.

2055
01:48:10,907 --> 01:48:13,987
Speaker 4: What was your overall assessment of what played out in

2056
01:48:14,227 --> 01:48:15,987
Speaker 4: the case of Elie Katoa?

2057
01:48:17,827 --> 01:48:17,987
Speaker 18: Oh?

2058
01:48:18,187 --> 01:48:21,987
Speaker 32: Thanks soason think for time. So firstly, what played out?

2059
01:48:22,347 --> 01:48:24,427
Speaker 32: My heart goes out to Ellie and his family. I

2060
01:48:24,467 --> 01:48:28,187
Speaker 32: know it's a pretty traumatic event and I'm devastating for

2061
01:48:28,227 --> 01:48:30,947
Speaker 32: him for the head of the season and how applaud

2062
01:48:30,987 --> 01:48:33,067
Speaker 32: the Melbourne Storm for giving him the time to recover.

2063
01:48:33,227 --> 01:48:36,227
Speaker 32: So yeah, very unfortunate events, but I guess we need

2064
01:48:36,267 --> 01:48:40,107
Speaker 32: to take some learnings from that. Of course, you know

2065
01:48:40,507 --> 01:48:43,387
Speaker 32: what happened was you know, you sort everyone needs to

2066
01:48:43,467 --> 01:48:46,547
Speaker 32: reflect on that, not not only about what happened, but

2067
01:48:46,627 --> 01:48:50,787
Speaker 32: how that could be prevented. Certainly the situation that unfolded.

2068
01:48:50,987 --> 01:48:53,027
Speaker 32: You know, there are obviously multiple what seems to me

2069
01:48:53,307 --> 01:48:56,347
Speaker 32: seemed to multiple steps there that perhaps there could have

2070
01:48:56,387 --> 01:48:58,107
Speaker 32: been some change at certain levels. And I know the

2071
01:48:58,427 --> 01:49:01,267
Speaker 32: l's done some independ investigation and hopefully you will get

2072
01:49:01,307 --> 01:49:03,507
Speaker 32: some learnings for that. But what we take from that

2073
01:49:03,667 --> 01:49:06,747
Speaker 32: is a certain there is a collective responsibility to actual

2074
01:49:07,387 --> 01:49:12,627
Speaker 32: We hopefully don't see anything like that Again's no, you know,

2075
01:49:12,707 --> 01:49:16,107
Speaker 32: there's seen some practical music but in place, but the

2076
01:49:16,347 --> 01:49:19,947
Speaker 32: changing type of attitude towards head injuries and edication needs

2077
01:49:19,987 --> 01:49:22,627
Speaker 32: to continue to change, which it is, but it needs

2078
01:49:22,667 --> 01:49:24,827
Speaker 32: to hopefully catch up a bit quicker.

2079
01:49:25,547 --> 01:49:28,027
Speaker 4: This was a slightly unusual situation and that he took

2080
01:49:28,027 --> 01:49:31,187
Speaker 4: a head knock before the game started, during during the

2081
01:49:31,267 --> 01:49:33,907
Speaker 4: warm ups. How common is that and is there a

2082
01:49:34,027 --> 01:49:36,067
Speaker 4: protocol for situations like that?

2083
01:49:37,187 --> 01:49:38,867
Speaker 32: Yeah, I think this is what the learning, one of

2084
01:49:38,867 --> 01:49:40,867
Speaker 32: the major learning is where you hopefully what we should

2085
01:49:40,907 --> 01:49:43,587
Speaker 32: take from us is that it has highlight the potential

2086
01:49:43,667 --> 01:49:47,187
Speaker 32: gap in the game. In my opinion, you know, we

2087
01:49:47,307 --> 01:49:50,507
Speaker 32: do have increasing types and measures that happened during the

2088
01:49:50,587 --> 01:49:54,827
Speaker 32: game with independent concussion spots and the banker system, which

2089
01:49:54,907 --> 01:49:56,707
Speaker 32: is a good thing and I think we should continue

2090
01:49:56,747 --> 01:50:01,147
Speaker 32: to support that model. But you know, what happened the

2091
01:50:01,227 --> 01:50:04,987
Speaker 32: warm up, there is still an era which injuries can happen,

2092
01:50:06,027 --> 01:50:09,227
Speaker 32: which you know obviously was a case there. And you know,

2093
01:50:09,307 --> 01:50:11,547
Speaker 32: while there was a video footage of that which emerged

2094
01:50:11,587 --> 01:50:15,747
Speaker 32: that wasn't actually was on broadcast news for broadcast footage.

2095
01:50:15,747 --> 01:50:18,867
Speaker 32: And perhaps there need to be some extension of the

2096
01:50:19,027 --> 01:50:23,907
Speaker 32: courage of spotters and formal coverage of that for available

2097
01:50:23,987 --> 01:50:26,827
Speaker 32: for sort of monitoring and review to extend into the

2098
01:50:26,867 --> 01:50:30,707
Speaker 32: warm up because that's clearly an injury restaurant as it's eventuated,

2099
01:50:30,787 --> 01:50:33,587
Speaker 32: but it's probably a gap there which we've now.

2100
01:50:33,587 --> 01:50:35,227
Speaker 6: Since seen and realized that good potent.

2101
01:50:35,347 --> 01:50:37,187
Speaker 32: You could make some movements there.

2102
01:50:37,747 --> 01:50:41,467
Speaker 4: You talked before Greg quite rightly about practical applications, practical

2103
01:50:41,507 --> 01:50:45,027
Speaker 4: steps that can be taken, but also attitudes. Is there

2104
01:50:45,107 --> 01:50:48,627
Speaker 4: still a big challenge in getting pliers to admit when

2105
01:50:48,667 --> 01:50:49,947
Speaker 4: they've taken a knock to the head.

2106
01:50:51,347 --> 01:50:51,587
Speaker 3: It is.

2107
01:50:51,827 --> 01:50:54,867
Speaker 32: There's some very good research through Tom Long with his

2108
01:50:55,027 --> 01:50:58,187
Speaker 32: performer's Roosts doctor the friend of NROL experience. At a

2109
01:50:58,267 --> 01:51:01,547
Speaker 32: nice cross sectional study in twenty twenty one on the

2110
01:51:01,587 --> 01:51:05,387
Speaker 32: attitude and reporting of specifically elite rugged players and the

2111
01:51:05,467 --> 01:51:10,267
Speaker 32: NRAL back report, seventeen percent admitted to not reporting concussion symptoms.

2112
01:51:10,787 --> 01:51:13,507
Speaker 32: That is then, you know, full five years ago now,

2113
01:51:13,587 --> 01:51:15,787
Speaker 32: So you would like to think things are changing, But

2114
01:51:16,067 --> 01:51:19,467
Speaker 32: I do think there is obviously still an element of

2115
01:51:19,627 --> 01:51:24,027
Speaker 32: underreporting that happens, and that's really differentive. It's a tricky

2116
01:51:24,067 --> 01:51:26,907
Speaker 32: era because I guess that comes down to motivation to

2117
01:51:27,027 --> 01:51:29,147
Speaker 32: report and not report it. You know, if you look

2118
01:51:29,147 --> 01:51:32,427
Speaker 32: at the situation that happened on in the Pacific Championships,

2119
01:51:33,427 --> 01:51:36,267
Speaker 32: young man making you know, about to play for his

2120
01:51:36,307 --> 01:51:39,587
Speaker 32: country in a crucially important match. You know, I don't

2121
01:51:39,587 --> 01:51:41,027
Speaker 32: know what was going through his head. I don't know

2122
01:51:41,067 --> 01:51:42,627
Speaker 32: what happened. I don't know if there was even a

2123
01:51:42,707 --> 01:51:45,867
Speaker 32: discussion of that, but that might be a very different scenariot.

2124
01:51:46,187 --> 01:51:49,867
Speaker 32: Someone who's playing in an inner player has been dropped

2125
01:51:49,867 --> 01:51:52,187
Speaker 32: to the reserve grade and in that bottom of the ladder.

2126
01:51:52,267 --> 01:51:55,307
Speaker 32: So you know, there's all these intrinsic motivations and there's

2127
01:51:55,387 --> 01:51:58,187
Speaker 32: external ones too, but you know the tendency like is

2128
01:51:58,187 --> 01:52:01,427
Speaker 32: there if I don't play? What will that mean? Will

2129
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Speaker 32: I lose my face? Will that guarante their contract? So

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01:52:03,907 --> 01:52:07,587
Speaker 32: sort of multi variable question as I imagine that would

2131
01:52:07,627 --> 01:52:08,067
Speaker 32: influence that.

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01:52:08,227 --> 01:52:09,427
Speaker 6: But we do know that.

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01:52:10,027 --> 01:52:13,467
Speaker 32: Concussion symptoms are underreported. I don't know what the current

2134
01:52:13,547 --> 01:52:15,867
Speaker 32: rate is, but it's a very well recognized fact that

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01:52:15,987 --> 01:52:16,547
Speaker 32: it does happen.

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01:52:17,067 --> 01:52:19,187
Speaker 4: Just for clarity, Greg, if a player does take a

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01:52:19,227 --> 01:52:21,027
Speaker 4: head not, let's bring it into the game where it's

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01:52:21,067 --> 01:52:23,147
Speaker 4: most common. If a player takes a head not during

2139
01:52:23,227 --> 01:52:26,467
Speaker 4: the game and it has to come off, well, actually,

2140
01:52:26,507 --> 01:52:27,827
Speaker 4: let's take a back. If a player takes a head

2141
01:52:27,867 --> 01:52:30,107
Speaker 4: not during a game, what is the protocol? What is

2142
01:52:30,147 --> 01:52:32,227
Speaker 4: your responsibility as part of the medical team.

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01:52:33,187 --> 01:52:36,027
Speaker 32: So, as I mentioned in the side, it's a collective responsibility.

2144
01:52:36,107 --> 01:52:39,907
Speaker 32: So it's you know, gathering the colatter information about who

2145
01:52:39,987 --> 01:52:42,507
Speaker 32: saw what, and there are processes formerly a place for that,

2146
01:52:42,667 --> 01:52:45,227
Speaker 32: and you know, each team has their own sort of

2147
01:52:45,827 --> 01:52:48,227
Speaker 32: personal relationships with the onfield stuff and supporting of those

2148
01:52:48,227 --> 01:52:52,467
Speaker 32: are good ones, but collective responsibility to see and act

2149
01:52:52,547 --> 01:52:54,867
Speaker 32: and report about what you're seeing. And that's not only

2150
01:52:54,987 --> 01:52:58,147
Speaker 32: just you know, staff and field, it's you know, you

2151
01:52:58,267 --> 01:53:00,387
Speaker 32: might see something on the sideline and other players are

2152
01:53:00,387 --> 01:53:02,267
Speaker 32: actually getting better at that too. There's often we do

2153
01:53:02,387 --> 01:53:05,467
Speaker 32: take a chair sity and teammates sers so I mean

2154
01:53:05,507 --> 01:53:08,467
Speaker 32: he's not good. We take that very seriously because they

2155
01:53:08,547 --> 01:53:11,467
Speaker 32: might see something we don't, you know. So there's a

2156
01:53:11,507 --> 01:53:14,947
Speaker 32: collective responsible about recognizing potentially something happening in acting up

2157
01:53:15,027 --> 01:53:18,707
Speaker 32: so you know, going to the videos and having a

2158
01:53:18,747 --> 01:53:21,907
Speaker 32: look at that very quickly, you know, and having a

2159
01:53:21,987 --> 01:53:25,507
Speaker 32: low threshold to have safety fairs. So when in doubt

2160
01:53:25,987 --> 01:53:28,627
Speaker 32: we take them out, we take them off because there's

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01:53:28,627 --> 01:53:30,907
Speaker 32: no harm in really bringing someone off for fifteen minutes

2162
01:53:30,907 --> 01:53:34,427
Speaker 32: and working out that day find and perhaps maybe because

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01:53:34,827 --> 01:53:36,827
Speaker 32: a cautious called bringer. I think that's always something that

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01:53:36,907 --> 01:53:39,747
Speaker 32: should or certainly would be the practice in most peoples

2165
01:53:41,147 --> 01:53:42,827
Speaker 32: in the game. That would be the way we're moving

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01:53:42,987 --> 01:53:45,267
Speaker 32: is just if you're not sure, just let's get them

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01:53:45,267 --> 01:53:48,507
Speaker 32: off and check them out. So having a low threshold,

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01:53:48,507 --> 01:53:52,187
Speaker 32: I gets some suspicion for you know, it's it's something

2169
01:53:52,667 --> 01:53:54,947
Speaker 32: something happened until we prove it didn't. If that makes

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01:53:54,987 --> 01:53:55,387
Speaker 32: any sense.

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01:53:55,587 --> 01:53:58,587
Speaker 4: It does. Isn't it a potential for tension between medical

2172
01:53:58,627 --> 01:54:01,387
Speaker 4: stuff and high performance stuff? Coach is saying, hy, he's fine.

2173
01:54:01,387 --> 01:54:02,267
Speaker 4: I want to bag on there.

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Speaker 32: Look, I want to know that's probably be a discussion

2175
01:54:07,227 --> 01:54:10,267
Speaker 32: and a flavor of what's potentially gone past. Again, that

2176
01:54:10,387 --> 01:54:15,187
Speaker 32: comes down to education and understanding concussion in the wider context. Again,

2177
01:54:15,187 --> 01:54:18,787
Speaker 32: it's a collective responsibilities. A lot of I think discussions

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01:54:18,827 --> 01:54:21,067
Speaker 32: before you get to that point. So you know, if

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01:54:21,787 --> 01:54:23,307
Speaker 32: this is certainly something that I do in my prats,

2180
01:54:23,347 --> 01:54:26,147
Speaker 32: I've done with my coaches in the science, Yason, we

2181
01:54:27,387 --> 01:54:30,187
Speaker 32: have an open ye this Sometimes this is effect of

2182
01:54:30,227 --> 01:54:32,147
Speaker 32: a lot of the game. It's contacts or people will

2183
01:54:32,187 --> 01:54:35,347
Speaker 32: get head injuries, and it is what it is. We

2184
01:54:35,467 --> 01:54:38,107
Speaker 32: have to look after the player and getting by in

2185
01:54:38,587 --> 01:54:41,747
Speaker 32: is you know, certainly can be very I understand that

2186
01:54:41,787 --> 01:54:44,467
Speaker 32: people are bit different, but having a good relationship with

2187
01:54:45,147 --> 01:54:48,747
Speaker 32: medical staff and performance staff is crucial, and I think

2188
01:54:48,827 --> 01:54:52,307
Speaker 32: we're moving close and closer to that as we say

2189
01:54:52,387 --> 01:54:54,547
Speaker 32: more normally and I think within the introduction of the

2190
01:54:54,627 --> 01:54:59,827
Speaker 32: independent system has created an opportunity there or at least

2191
01:54:59,827 --> 01:55:03,547
Speaker 32: a discussion, but that sometimes that might not necessarily be

2192
01:55:03,587 --> 01:55:05,387
Speaker 32: a decision. So that's actually made it a bit easier

2193
01:55:05,427 --> 01:55:09,507
Speaker 32: for team stuff. Uh, you know they were taking off independently.

2194
01:55:09,547 --> 01:55:12,427
Speaker 32: It wasn't there is no stake in the game, and

2195
01:55:12,467 --> 01:55:15,227
Speaker 32: the person's not right and someone else is agreeing with me,

2196
01:55:15,387 --> 01:55:18,507
Speaker 32: So that's it's it's becoming less NECESSI an mission certainly

2197
01:55:18,547 --> 01:55:20,827
Speaker 32: not a not an issue that I come across at all.

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01:55:21,067 --> 01:55:22,827
Speaker 4: That's great to hear, and just to Finn, it's just

2199
01:55:22,907 --> 01:55:25,267
Speaker 4: back to this specific case and it's it's a it's

2200
01:55:25,307 --> 01:55:28,747
Speaker 4: a terrible case and the consequences are significant. A year

2201
01:55:28,827 --> 01:55:31,467
Speaker 4: out of the game, do you think the seriousness of

2202
01:55:31,507 --> 01:55:33,827
Speaker 4: this and the consequence is now faced by Eli Cartor

2203
01:55:33,907 --> 01:55:36,627
Speaker 4: because of it will serve as a wake up cause?

2204
01:55:36,667 --> 01:55:39,827
Speaker 4: The right the right phrase, a cautionary tale? Will it?

2205
01:55:39,947 --> 01:55:42,147
Speaker 4: Will it? Will it improve attitudes? Do you think or

2206
01:55:42,267 --> 01:55:44,987
Speaker 4: help to improve player attitudes about head knocks?

2207
01:55:45,867 --> 01:55:48,907
Speaker 32: I certainly, I do think it will. I certainly hope so,

2208
01:55:48,987 --> 01:55:53,467
Speaker 32: I hope while it was an unfortunate incident, I hope

2209
01:55:53,547 --> 01:55:55,747
Speaker 32: I hope we do all take some learnings from that

2210
01:55:55,907 --> 01:55:59,467
Speaker 32: and how to prevent and and not end up in

2211
01:55:59,547 --> 01:56:01,987
Speaker 32: a situation that. I mean, it's just often I'm glad,

2212
01:56:02,027 --> 01:56:05,307
Speaker 32: he's he's okay. His future is a bit uncertain, which

2213
01:56:05,347 --> 01:56:07,947
Speaker 32: is very unfortunate. But hopefully we will all take some

2214
01:56:08,267 --> 01:56:13,347
Speaker 32: caution in the wind with regards to these things head knocks,

2215
01:56:13,387 --> 01:56:18,187
Speaker 32: and you should never underestimate them because you know, it's

2216
01:56:18,267 --> 01:56:21,427
Speaker 32: not a case of she'll be right, it's something sometimes

2217
01:56:21,467 --> 01:56:24,427
Speaker 32: that's turned out a bit worse. So i'd hope so

2218
01:56:24,587 --> 01:56:27,867
Speaker 32: I hope you'd hope that will serve as a as

2219
01:56:27,907 --> 01:56:32,587
Speaker 32: a as a learning point for future education decisions discussions

2220
01:56:33,027 --> 01:56:34,627
Speaker 32: which are all upcoming toll upon us now at pre

2221
01:56:34,747 --> 01:56:38,707
Speaker 32: season has just started everywhere across in Rowland. Hopefully that

2222
01:56:38,787 --> 01:56:42,707
Speaker 32: could be a very topical reminder that we need to

2223
01:56:42,747 --> 01:56:43,387
Speaker 32: take this seriously.

2224
01:56:43,667 --> 01:56:46,947
Speaker 4: Let's hope so, Greg, you've provided superb inside and expertise.

2225
01:56:47,147 --> 01:56:48,907
Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us this afternoons.

2226
01:56:49,107 --> 01:56:49,587
Speaker 6: My pleasure.

2227
01:56:49,867 --> 01:56:53,467
Speaker 4: That is Greg McLeod. He was he is was the

2228
01:56:53,587 --> 01:56:56,667
Speaker 4: key with his doctor in that test match actually and

2229
01:56:56,987 --> 01:57:00,867
Speaker 4: providing excellent insight there. Let's hope that lessons are learned

2230
01:57:01,027 --> 01:57:05,107
Speaker 4: seventeen away from three take right Vegas, Las Vegas Grand

2231
01:57:05,147 --> 01:57:08,147
Speaker 4: Prix at five o'clock this after known. Liam Lawson sixth

2232
01:57:08,187 --> 01:57:09,907
Speaker 4: on the grid, will preview it for you when we

2233
01:57:09,987 --> 01:57:10,347
Speaker 4: come back.

2234
01:57:11,747 --> 01:57:12,787
Speaker 2: You be the TMO.

2235
01:57:13,067 --> 01:57:15,467
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2236
01:57:15,627 --> 01:57:20,307
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and GJ. Gavnerholmes, New Zealand's

2237
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Speaker 1: most trusted home builder news Dogs.

2238
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Speaker 4: They'd be just on thirteen away from three. Just a

2239
01:57:25,267 --> 01:57:27,667
Speaker 4: quick shout out to Macca listening to U Lence and

2240
01:57:27,947 --> 01:57:29,747
Speaker 4: Blaze the Dog as well. Good to have you with

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01:57:29,907 --> 01:57:32,427
Speaker 4: us this afternoon. Can we drive a Liam Lawson showed

2242
01:57:32,467 --> 01:57:35,707
Speaker 4: his class in a wet and wild qualifying session for

2243
01:57:35,787 --> 01:57:38,867
Speaker 4: Formula one's Las Vegas Grand Prix. He'll start sixth on

2244
01:57:38,987 --> 01:57:41,827
Speaker 4: the grid. It's laws in second, top ten start in

2245
01:57:41,907 --> 01:57:46,227
Speaker 4: succession qualifying and finishing seventh in Brazil earlier this month.

2246
01:57:46,347 --> 01:57:49,907
Speaker 4: Let's bring in journalist with the Las Vegas Review Journal,

2247
01:57:50,307 --> 01:57:54,667
Speaker 4: Mick Acres. Mick, how treacherous were conditions during qualifying?

2248
01:57:55,667 --> 01:57:57,707
Speaker 33: Yeah, you know, early on and yeah, it looked like

2249
01:57:57,747 --> 01:57:59,907
Speaker 33: the rain wasn't gonna get it kind of last through

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01:57:59,907 --> 01:58:03,027
Speaker 33: out the night, but somehow, some way, the radar got

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01:58:03,107 --> 01:58:05,987
Speaker 33: defied and it started pouring, you know, messing into the

2252
01:58:06,107 --> 01:58:09,427
Speaker 33: last few minutes of qualifying because you can visibly see

2253
01:58:09,427 --> 01:58:11,667
Speaker 33: the water flying up on the starting grip. When they

2254
01:58:11,747 --> 01:58:15,387
Speaker 33: kept coming by and qualifying, he saw a lot of slideouts.

2255
01:58:16,187 --> 01:58:18,787
Speaker 33: It was pretty treacherous. But I think the crowd took

2256
01:58:18,827 --> 01:58:21,227
Speaker 33: it well. The grand stands were filled up. They're out

2257
01:58:21,267 --> 01:58:23,827
Speaker 33: there having fun, so you know, despite their reign, it's

2258
01:58:23,907 --> 01:58:26,627
Speaker 33: really it's not an usual occurrence. I heard November in

2259
01:58:26,667 --> 01:58:29,867
Speaker 33: Las Vegas, so it's little an anomaly, I would say,

2260
01:58:29,987 --> 01:58:32,107
Speaker 33: But you know, people took it in. The drivers obviously

2261
01:58:32,747 --> 01:58:35,267
Speaker 33: did what they could, but kind of provided a little

2262
01:58:35,267 --> 01:58:37,747
Speaker 33: bit more you know, excitement for the race.

2263
01:58:37,787 --> 01:58:40,907
Speaker 4: I think indeed, how much impact did it have on

2264
01:58:41,187 --> 01:58:42,947
Speaker 4: qualifying order for the Rice.

2265
01:58:43,347 --> 01:58:45,507
Speaker 33: Well, it didn't really delay anything.

2266
01:58:45,987 --> 01:58:46,147
Speaker 3: You know.

2267
01:58:46,587 --> 01:58:48,667
Speaker 33: Obviously they have all their sets of tires that deal

2268
01:58:48,747 --> 01:58:50,827
Speaker 33: with different whether and all that, so they brought out

2269
01:58:50,827 --> 01:58:53,267
Speaker 33: some of the wats at first, seemed like towards the

2270
01:58:53,307 --> 01:58:55,627
Speaker 33: end they kind of went to the intermediate. So as

2271
01:58:55,667 --> 01:58:57,827
Speaker 33: far as like any of the time or anything, everything's

2272
01:58:57,827 --> 01:58:59,067
Speaker 33: pretty much stayed true to form.

2273
01:58:59,187 --> 01:59:00,827
Speaker 5: So no real impact there.

2274
01:59:01,267 --> 01:59:03,947
Speaker 4: Okay, So as you say, we kind of always trust

2275
01:59:04,187 --> 01:59:06,667
Speaker 4: the way the full cast. But is it bitter for

2276
01:59:06,827 --> 01:59:07,627
Speaker 4: Rice Die today?

2277
01:59:08,587 --> 01:59:10,667
Speaker 33: Yeah, I'm out here at the Blasio Fountain Club on

2278
01:59:10,787 --> 01:59:12,987
Speaker 33: the Strip looking up at the sky. I can see

2279
01:59:13,027 --> 01:59:14,867
Speaker 33: the sun poking through. So that's the first time we've

2280
01:59:14,867 --> 01:59:16,947
Speaker 33: seen that in two days. So things are kind of

2281
01:59:16,947 --> 01:59:19,547
Speaker 33: getting dried up right now. We've seen, you know a

2282
01:59:19,587 --> 01:59:21,107
Speaker 33: lot of traffic on the strip right now. Obviously in

2283
01:59:21,147 --> 01:59:22,467
Speaker 33: a few hours are gonna shut it down for the

2284
01:59:22,987 --> 01:59:24,747
Speaker 33: you know, some of the academy stuff to get underway

2285
01:59:24,747 --> 01:59:26,627
Speaker 33: and then some of the you know drives to get

2286
01:59:26,627 --> 01:59:28,827
Speaker 33: out there and the race start here. But yeah, sun's

2287
01:59:28,987 --> 01:59:31,027
Speaker 33: starting to come out, so you know, things are getting

2288
01:59:31,107 --> 01:59:33,307
Speaker 33: dry and you know, like you said, you can't always

2289
01:59:33,307 --> 01:59:34,667
Speaker 33: trust it, but hey, cross the fingers.

2290
01:59:34,707 --> 01:59:37,147
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be a pretty good night.

2291
01:59:37,107 --> 01:59:38,907
Speaker 4: All right. We'll look forward to that third time. If

2292
01:59:38,947 --> 01:59:41,747
Speaker 4: one has been held in Vigas, how popular is the

2293
01:59:41,827 --> 01:59:42,387
Speaker 4: event there?

2294
01:59:43,467 --> 01:59:44,227
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's growing.

2295
01:59:44,307 --> 01:59:46,307
Speaker 33: The first year there was like nine months of roadwork

2296
01:59:46,347 --> 01:59:48,347
Speaker 33: that led up to it, so it kind of angered

2297
01:59:48,387 --> 01:59:50,067
Speaker 33: a lot of the locals, right, so they didn't really

2298
01:59:50,107 --> 01:59:53,067
Speaker 33: know what that one was. So the second year those

2299
01:59:53,107 --> 01:59:55,707
Speaker 33: a lot less road construction. It's just the set up

2300
01:59:55,747 --> 01:59:57,907
Speaker 33: time and tear down time and same for this year.

2301
01:59:58,307 --> 02:00:00,547
Speaker 33: So they've been that one's been really good at getting

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Speaker 33: out in the community. They've been trying to do a

2303
02:00:02,147 --> 02:00:05,987
Speaker 33: lot of community benefit things, giving out tickets like teachers

2304
02:00:06,067 --> 02:00:08,467
Speaker 33: and there are people doing good things in the in

2305
02:00:08,587 --> 02:00:11,787
Speaker 33: the charitable world here, So they're kind of been putting

2306
02:00:11,827 --> 02:00:13,667
Speaker 33: the planning to seed to make it more of an

2307
02:00:13,707 --> 02:00:15,467
Speaker 33: accepted a bit here in Las Vegas, and I think

2308
02:00:15,507 --> 02:00:16,507
Speaker 33: it's kind of paying off for them.

2309
02:00:16,827 --> 02:00:19,947
Speaker 4: So Lando Norris is on pole for a third strike Rice,

2310
02:00:21,307 --> 02:00:25,507
Speaker 4: See is he favorite? Can he put the Driver's Championship?

2311
02:00:25,587 --> 02:00:27,427
Speaker 4: You know, pretty much had to reach this week? Can't

2312
02:00:27,467 --> 02:00:29,587
Speaker 4: have a Lando Norris look and qualifying?

2313
02:00:30,987 --> 02:00:33,587
Speaker 33: Yeah, you know, obviously it's kind of back and forth.

2314
02:00:33,627 --> 02:00:35,747
Speaker 33: And then it was the last second where his last

2315
02:00:35,867 --> 02:00:38,307
Speaker 33: lap around he took over the poll. So one of

2316
02:00:38,387 --> 02:00:41,107
Speaker 33: the exciting aspects about the range is that he kind

2317
02:00:41,147 --> 02:00:42,627
Speaker 33: of put it all on the line at the last

2318
02:00:42,707 --> 02:00:45,147
Speaker 33: lap there and he came close to hitting the wall.

2319
02:00:45,187 --> 02:00:46,907
Speaker 33: So he took that chance and it paid off for him.

2320
02:00:47,227 --> 02:00:50,627
Speaker 33: He's definitely favorite here in the sports books. Obviously, I

2321
02:00:50,667 --> 02:00:52,907
Speaker 33: don't think he could fully put it away unless so,

2322
02:00:52,947 --> 02:00:55,707
Speaker 33: you know, everyone behind him crashes his teammate crashers and

2323
02:00:55,707 --> 02:00:56,547
Speaker 33: all that, but I.

2324
02:00:56,587 --> 02:00:58,907
Speaker 5: Think he can set them stuff up for a success

2325
02:00:59,187 --> 02:01:00,427
Speaker 5: with a good run here.

2326
02:01:00,787 --> 02:01:05,347
Speaker 4: Tell us about this track and opportunities for posting on

2327
02:01:05,427 --> 02:01:11,227
Speaker 4: this track where energy, bit of energy in the backround

2328
02:01:11,267 --> 02:01:14,387
Speaker 4: there there was passing the opportunity.

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02:01:15,627 --> 02:01:17,587
Speaker 33: Yeah, this one tends to have the more, the more,

2330
02:01:17,787 --> 02:01:20,747
Speaker 33: the most overtakes on the season, So there's tons of

2331
02:01:20,867 --> 02:01:23,587
Speaker 33: chances for overtakes, which makes this one of the most

2332
02:01:23,627 --> 02:01:26,627
Speaker 33: exciting UH races on the season. We got them one

2333
02:01:26,707 --> 02:01:30,107
Speaker 33: quarter mile along UH stressed on the Las Vegas Strip itself.

2334
02:01:30,307 --> 02:01:32,627
Speaker 33: A lot of turns after that, but yeah, this one

2335
02:01:32,827 --> 02:01:36,267
Speaker 33: is definitely there's ample opportunity for overtakes here.

2336
02:01:36,307 --> 02:01:40,827
Speaker 4: And now Man k we man Liam Lulson sixth in qualifying.

2337
02:01:41,227 --> 02:01:43,347
Speaker 4: What have you mind of his performances over the weekend.

2338
02:01:44,387 --> 02:01:45,987
Speaker 33: Yeah, you know there's he could you know, he's kind

2339
02:01:45,987 --> 02:01:47,467
Speaker 33: of an underdog, right, so a lot of people in

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Speaker 33: the crowd are have been pretty excited about the way

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Speaker 33: he's been performing, especially last night. They saw, you know,

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Speaker 33: it's kind of up there on the grid at first

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Speaker 33: when they're in Q three, so a lot of people

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Speaker 33: are kind of getting behind him.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of cool.

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Speaker 33: To see, so, uh see how that kind of carries

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Speaker 33: over into tonight's race.

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Speaker 4: All right, And just for clarity, uh what time local

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Speaker 4: time does the rice get under? Why it's five o'clock

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Speaker 4: over here in New Zealand, Thom, is it eight o'clock?

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Speaker 24: A not for you?

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Speaker 5: Eight pm?

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Speaker 33: So you know, two hours early in the last year,

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Speaker 33: which was ten. So obviously we're gonna we're gonna end

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Speaker 33: it before men at our time. They kind of work

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Speaker 33: with the people. They took a lot of feedback from

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Speaker 33: the past attendees saying, hey, we wanted to end a

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Speaker 33: little bit earlier. Obviously they do it at night for

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Speaker 33: the lights in Vegas and also for the overseas audience

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Speaker 33: on TV. But I think in then and at ten

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Speaker 33: is gonna be a great way to kind of, you know,

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Speaker 33: kick this race off, you know, get the finishers there

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Speaker 33: and then people can get back out in the strip

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Speaker 33: and enjoy the casinos, that dining in the club and

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Speaker 33: all that kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, plenty to to enjoy in Vegas, that's for sure. Him.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for your Tom mickaik is from the Las Vegas

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Speaker 4: Review Journal. The Las Vegas Grand Prix starts at five

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Speaker 4: o'clock this afternoon New Zealand Time eight to three.

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World.

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason five then call always under eight

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Speaker 1: us talks in B.

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Speaker 4: Five to three. That's us to beverage in with the

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Speaker 4: Weekend Collective after three o'clock. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 4: listening across the weekend and for taking part in the show.

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Speaker 4: Great contributions, particularly around the all Blacks. We might we

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Speaker 4: might talk All Blacks again before the end of the year.

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Speaker 4: Who knows, maybe we'll pivot away to something else for

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Speaker 4: the next month or so before Christmas. Thanks to Annie

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Speaker 4: McDonald for producing the show. To Riff a workmatee, thank

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Speaker 4: you indeed for all of your heavy lifting taking us

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Speaker 4: out today. Well, in a couple of hours, all eyes

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Speaker 4: will be on Vegas where Liam Lawson. I reckon, I've

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Speaker 4: got this gut feel and I wouldn't take it for

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Speaker 4: any more than that that he will have his best

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Speaker 4: Grand Prix, not just this year, but in his career.

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Speaker 4: I just get a feeling that he may end up

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Speaker 4: somewhere near the front of that field, you know. And

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Speaker 4: so in honor of that, and with my fingers crossed,

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Speaker 4: Katy Perry waking up in Vegas, taking us out, said

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Speaker 4: tomorrow night on Sports Talk.

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Speaker 11: Listens up.

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