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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duper Cy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talks have be afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Winston Rekins, he

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Speaker 3: saved US two billion dollars on the ferries. We'll find

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Speaker 3: out if he's right. Routru Is Mayor on the last

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Speaker 3: of the emergency housing motels closing. And if you're in

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Speaker 3: Auclint for Metallica, we'll tell you what you need to survive.

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Speaker 2: The Night's Heather duper Cy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Sorry about the state of the voice. We'll get I

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Speaker 3: have a lot of explaining to do and I will

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Speaker 3: get to that when I get a chance. But listen

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Speaker 3: on this. Here's a thought. There would not be a

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Speaker 3: drama today about the Breakers basketball team not wanting to

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Speaker 3: wear the rainbow flag on their jerseys if the basketball

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Speaker 3: league had stayed out of politics in the first place. Now,

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Speaker 3: if you haven't caught up on this, there is unnecessary

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Speaker 3: upset today because it's emerged that the entire Breakers team

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Speaker 3: will not wear that little rainbow Pride Progress flat on

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Speaker 3: their jerseys during Pride Round next year because some of

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Speaker 3: the players don't want to religious and cultural reasons. Apparently,

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Speaker 3: so because some of the players don't want to, the

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Speaker 3: whole team won't. Now, as you can imagine, this has

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Speaker 3: absolutely blown up, and it has led to accusations of homophobia,

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Speaker 3: accusations of bigotry, accusations of cowardice, and look, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: maybe all those accusations are right, but this didn't have

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Speaker 3: they hadn't tried to get all of the players to

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Speaker 3: want to wear, because statistically that had to be a possibility.

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Speaker 3: When you have maybe I don't know, one hundred and

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Speaker 3: it would have to be a possibility that some of

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Speaker 3: them wouldn't want to wear it. Now, I don't think

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Speaker 3: that this kind of rainbow washing helps anyone. There is

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Speaker 3: no need for a random sports league to run any

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Speaker 3: Maybe it sells a few tickets, Probably not a lot,

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Speaker 3: but it can backfire, and it has backfired in this case.

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Speaker 3: So now instead of looking inclusive to the rainbow community,

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Speaker 3: the NBL looks a complete opposite and has accusations of

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Speaker 3: homophobia coming at it. Now, you would have thought that

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Speaker 3: everyone under the sun would have learned from the mass

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Speaker 3: of rugby league debarcle three years ago when those seven

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Speaker 3: manly players refused to wear the pride jersey, and yet

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Speaker 3: start up its own Pride Week the very next year,

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Speaker 3: having learnt nothing. Now, I say this all of the time,

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Speaker 3: and I will say this again. Sports needs to stay

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Speaker 3: out of politics. There is no real upside in it

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Speaker 3: and there's way too much downside. And this is a

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Speaker 3: case in point.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: The annual New Zealand Health Survey shows that we're stagnating

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Speaker 3: seven percent of us are still smoking. Not me, you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't believe that. And twelve percent of kiwis in our

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Speaker 3: One in three adults are abeese, and just seven percent

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Speaker 3: of adults eat the daily recommended amount of Vegetablesine Bradbury

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Speaker 3: is from the School of Population Health at Auckland University

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Speaker 3: and with us HI Catherine. Does that vaping numbers surprise you.

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Speaker 6: It does a bit. It's you can see that. It's

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Speaker 3: Why does it surprise you.

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Speaker 7: Well, we have made I mean, yes, we're sort of

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Speaker 6: But at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you think twenty twenty five smoke free is

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it looks unlikely that we're going to get there.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised by that only seven percent of people eat

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Speaker 3: Did you eat yours today?

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Speaker 6: Did I eat mine today?

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Speaker 3: Do I count a tomato? Catherine? Because this is controversial, Yes,

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Speaker 3: you can count. I've had a avocado and I've had

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Will you make it by the end of the day? Also, Catherine,

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Speaker 3: Do you which made them?

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Speaker 6: No, it isn't made up.

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Speaker 7: But the servings are kind of small, Like half a

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Speaker 7: So but still it's indicating really that people are not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, what's going on with the obesity?

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Speaker 6: Eating healthily in New Zealand, and a lot of.

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Speaker 7: That is just we've got such a availability of you know,

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Speaker 3: On the bright side, about half of us are doing

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Speaker 3: Bravery from the School of Population Health at All Clan University.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm I'm starting to come to

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Speaker 3: the view that any of these numbers that they tell

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Speaker 3: Now it turns out you and have to do it

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Speaker 3: once a day. I always knew that I did it

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Speaker 3: And the ten thousands to day is literally made up

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Speaker 3: you know that. So anyway, I'm not giving you a

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Speaker 3: I said, if you don't do it, you'll end up

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Speaker 3: Sounding like this like a sex worker. I will explain it.

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Speaker 3: I'll get to it in a minute. Anyway, i'steen files. Now,

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Speaker 3: we've had a bit of a day of it today.

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Speaker 3: So the US Senate has voted to release the Epstein files.

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Speaker 3: Now it goes to Trump to sign. So we just

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Speaker 3: have to wait a little bit longer to find out

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Speaker 3: across that. We've got the US COSS. We have good

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Kurseley. Today, we have Jatam about it quarter pass.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you. Why are sports teams trying to be

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Speaker 3: everything to everyone? It's stupid. Stick to your knitting. Seventeen

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Speaker 3: And actually on that subject, we have Darcy water Grave

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Speaker 9: Welcome back, Heather, Hello, thank you Darcy. How are you

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Speaker 3: Darcy? This is you did not get into sport broadcasting

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Speaker 9: Not not really what I'm surprised. I'm all for support

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Speaker 9: when you're looking at an issue like that, which is

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Speaker 9: the LBGT community. It's really triggering to a lot of people, yea,

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Speaker 9: In the NRL, you had the manly See situation where

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Speaker 9: they had the jerseys with the rainbow on like six

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Speaker 9: hell break loose gotten? So what happened to that?

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Speaker 9: Where's the pride around in the NRL now gone? See Ladder?

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Speaker 9: So I wonder if the NBL looked at that and said,

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Speaker 9: office queer washing, And I can't help by thinking that's

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Speaker 9: It's just courted controversy again. It's lance the boiling. People

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon? We're up for this is a country.

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Speaker 11: Look.

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Speaker 12: Of a blindfolded fashion.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicyl and Drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 3: They'd be here that you sound really hot with that

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Speaker 3: So the first thing is, obviously Metallica is happening in

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Speaker 3: It's hideous. Metallica is hideous. I mean, look, I know

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Speaker 3: Sorry because you've just you're used to all that kind

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Speaker 3: That's the question. News is next.

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Speaker 1: The day's newspakers talked to Heather first, Heather dupericy Ellen

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters is going to be with us after five o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Now what we're going to talk to him about is

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Speaker 3: the final cost of the fairies, because he's he's outlined

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on youth talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: So the US Senate has voted unanimously to release the

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Speaker 8: If it came to the floor, many many were going

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Trump, he had a meeting with Saudi Crown

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Speaker 15: As far as this gentleman is concerned. He's done a

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Speaker 2: Then we can leave it at that.

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Speaker 3: And finally be a little Veggie might victor murderer, and

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Speaker 3: Victoria wants to state to overturn the ban on Veggie

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Speaker 1: Mate International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance peace of

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Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Kursley US corresponds with us, Jonathan, can you get

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Speaker 11: In some places? Yes, you can. You can get that

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Speaker 11: It's it's a little pricey over here. I think you're

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Speaker 3: It's all right, listen, how long before these Epstein files

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Speaker 11: Department of Justice cannot release any documents as part of

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Speaker 11: an ongoing investigation, so it may have to wait until

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Speaker 11: that investigation finishes before any documents can be released. So

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Speaker 11: this is very very much a political bon fight that

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Speaker 11: goes right to the top of America's seat of power.

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Speaker 11: The president's backflip on this on initially not stalling on

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Speaker 11: the release of these documents has caused him some political pains,

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Speaker 11: so he changed his mind. He told Republicans to back

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Speaker 11: it end. He told them to get the bill to

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Speaker 11: his desk so that he could sign it and see

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Speaker 11: what's released. And he's also putting pressure on Democrats now too,

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Speaker 11: basically cautioning them there could be material in this that's

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Speaker 11: bad for you too. Already, the House Oversight Committee is

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Speaker 11: releasing some material relating to the Democrat leader in the House, Jefferies,

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Speaker 11: and documents that were sent by Epstein about donations to

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Speaker 11: his campaigns that Jeffrey King Jeffries has said he's got

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Speaker 11: no recollection of. So this is now a political fight

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Speaker 11: that is in brawling all sides, But the focus is

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Speaker 11: very much going to be on whether those documents are

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Speaker 11: going to be released and when they are, what's in them.

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Speaker 3: That business with NBS was uncomfortable for me, was it

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Speaker 3: for you?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: It was an interesting watch. Was the first time MBS

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Speaker 11: Muhammed been someone who's been in the White House since Trump.

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Speaker 11: One point o back in twenty eighteen, it was months

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Speaker 11: before the murder of journalist Jamal Kashogghi that the CIO

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Speaker 11: eventually pointed the finger of blame at straight at MBS

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Speaker 11: and said that he had orchestrated this murder. And we

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Speaker 11: saw that exchange that you played just before with ABC

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Speaker 11: America journalist Mary Bruce, essentially putting it to Jamal Kashoggi,

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Speaker 11: how could Americans trust him? That the families of nine

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Speaker 11: to eleven victims were disgusted that he was inside the

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Speaker 11: Oval Office, and then President Trump launched into this staunch

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Speaker 11: defense of MBS and then at the same time attacking

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Speaker 11: the journalist as well, describing her as a horrible reporter

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Speaker 11: and threatening to withdraw ABC's license for being what he

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Speaker 11: called fake news. It was a very very interesting exchange

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Speaker 11: inside the Oval Office. There have been many of these

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Speaker 11: since the inauguration on January twenty. This, though, will be

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Speaker 11: a marker and it will go down in the history

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Speaker 11: books to some extent to see the transformation of somebody

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Speaker 11: who was a pariah for the United States just matter

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Speaker 11: of the well a couple of years ago or just

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Speaker 11: before the inauguration, to being welcome back into the Oval

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Speaker 11: Office with open arms, and then tonight a lavish state

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Speaker 11: dinner attended by, among others, Elon Musk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Very interesting. Hey, thanks very much, Jonathan, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent, Hither dul It's eighteen away from five.

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Speaker 3: Hither your argument on the Fairies is absolute rubbish, because

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Speaker 3: you know full well Grant Robertson talks rubbish, and his

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Speaker 3: final amount would have been about four billion. Look at

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Speaker 3: may well have been. But I mean, why stop at

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Speaker 3: four billion? Why not say five billion? Why not six seven,

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Speaker 3: eight nine billion? All we knew was two point six billion.

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Speaker 3: It's possible, but all we knew was two point six billion.

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Speaker 3: And if it's two point six billion versus Winston's two

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Speaker 3: point five billion, I still think it was a better

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Speaker 3: deal for the two point six billion. Hither. I love

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Speaker 3: your honesty. I thought there was something wrong with me

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Speaker 3: for not liking the alien music, which is Metallica. We'll see.

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Speaker 3: I might change my mind. I might come back tomorrow

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Speaker 3: and be like, wow, how I got that wrong? It

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Speaker 3: was just so wonderful to hear distorted guitars coming at

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Speaker 3: me for two hours and people singing about weird stuff.

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Speaker 3: I might love it. I might think it was great. Apparently,

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Speaker 3: the unauthorized biography of Jacinda is selling really, really well,

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Speaker 3: so they put out a release today saying they now

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Speaker 3: they're about to order. In fact, they have I think

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Speaker 3: they have started their third print run. So how this

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Speaker 3: has worked? And remember this has only been out for

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Speaker 3: eleven days, this book. So the first run of the

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Speaker 3: book was four thousand, and it's sold out within five days.

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Speaker 3: So they had a second run of the book. They're

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Speaker 3: not giving us the numbers on the second run and

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Speaker 3: the third run, but I think that it's three thousand

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Speaker 3: and three thousand, So four thousand and three thousand and

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Speaker 3: three thousand. So the third run is one thousand copies

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Speaker 3: of the second run, sorry, is one thousand copies away

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Speaker 3: from running out. So they've got the third run. So

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Speaker 3: what that means is that they have sold already six

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Speaker 3: thousand copies. Now that is impressive because in order to

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Speaker 3: be considered a best salary in New Zealand, you have

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Speaker 3: to sell five thousand books. They've already done that, and

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Speaker 3: if they sell completely through the second run and then

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Speaker 3: the third run, which they've just ordered, they will have

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Speaker 3: sold ten thousand. That's a double best seller. Now I

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Speaker 3: know I'm reading it, but then to be i'm reading

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Speaker 3: it because I've got sent to copy. I haven't brought

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Speaker 3: a copy. A girlfriend of mine is reading it. She

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Speaker 3: just texts me last night to say she's reading it.

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Speaker 3: She's gone out and bought it. I started yesterday. I

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Speaker 3: will tell you David Cohen, who's written the book as

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Speaker 3: a beautiful writer, so it is a pleasure to read.

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Speaker 3: He's not hideous about Jacinda, but he's also not fawning

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Speaker 3: about her. And so I think you're going to from

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Speaker 3: at least from the first you know, twenty pages or

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Speaker 3: whatever that I've read, you're going to get I think,

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Speaker 3: a much more nuanced and clear eyed view of Jacinda

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Speaker 3: that isn't just you know, gushing about what an amazing

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Speaker 3: person she is. For example, he's clearly of the view

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Speaker 3: that she hasn't just accidentally become an MP and then

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Speaker 3: accidentally the Labour Leader and then accidentally the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 3: like she would like us to believe, like it was

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Speaker 3: just bestowed upon her. He seems to be more of

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Speaker 3: the view that she started working towards it from a

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Speaker 3: very young age, which is the view I hold as well. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: first twenty pages can recommend it. I'll let you know

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Speaker 3: when i'm finished. Sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 8: Listen.

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Speaker 3: News has just come out in the last fifteen minutes

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Speaker 3: as that the government has essentially moved to block puberty

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Speaker 3: blockers are to ban puberty blockers for kids who are

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Speaker 3: identifying as trans It's still going to be available for

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Speaker 3: people who need it for medical conditions like early onset puberty, endometriosis,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But for kids who need it

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Speaker 3: in order to could because they believe that their trans

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Speaker 3: it will not be available. We're going to bid Simeon Brown,

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Speaker 3: the minister responsible for this, and let you know whether

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Speaker 3: he can be on the show today thirteen away from

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Speaker 3: five Barry Soapas in your political correspondence with us.

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Speaker 16: Good afternoon, Heather. What happened to that manlifluous voice that

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Speaker 16: you once had?

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Speaker 9: You tried to emulate me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you bloody? You know what happened to it?

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Speaker 3: It's too much singing? Okay, Now, Donald Trump, what's going

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Speaker 3: on here?

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Speaker 16: Well, you know, we had the news earlier this week

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Speaker 16: that Trump had reversed the tariffs on beef and offal

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Speaker 16: and kiwi fruit, which is significant going into the United States,

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Speaker 16: and I hadn't heard Nikola Willis talk about it, but

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Speaker 16: Trump said he removed the power at the tariffs because,

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Speaker 16: of course, grocery prices in the US were rising and

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Speaker 16: there was political pressure building on them from within, so

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Speaker 16: clearly the tariffs that were on these products, he decided,

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Speaker 16: if they're disadvantaging him, then he'll do away with him.

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Speaker 16: And that that was good news for New Zealand. The

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Speaker 16: change of heart by Trump has put an additional three

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Speaker 16: hundred and thirty million dollars a year into the pockets

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Speaker 16: of exporters, and it's a bit of good news that

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Speaker 16: I've got to say. That put a smile on the

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Speaker 16: Finance Minister's face.

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Speaker 9: Today.

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Speaker 17: These products represent around twenty five percent of our exports

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Speaker 17: to the United States, with approximately two point twenty one

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Speaker 17: billion dollars a year. The removal of these tariffs restores

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Speaker 17: pre Liberation Day access for exporters and provides some relief

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Speaker 17: for farmers, processes, and rural communities and the jobs that

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Speaker 17: they support. This is a positive step in the right

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Speaker 17: direction for free and competitive trade.

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Speaker 16: Let's hope it is applied to others before too long.

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Speaker 16: Epsteam papers heart. That'll be in interesting. I wonder how

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Speaker 16: a bridged they are when they finally come out.

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Speaker 3: You just can't let it go away.

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Speaker 2: You can't.

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Speaker 3: You can't get through without.

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Speaker 16: Discerning the wonderful president.

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Speaker 3: You just can't help yourself. Okay, now, I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: it's clear that we're not going what are we at

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Speaker 3: six point eight percent of New Zealand as smoke. We're

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Speaker 3: supposed to get to five percent under five percent by

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Speaker 3: the end of the year. We're not going to are we.

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Speaker 16: You're five percent is considered smoke free, which I always

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Speaker 16: found incredible anyway that you know, you still had a

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Speaker 16: percentage of the population smoking. But nevertheless, I think it

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Speaker 16: is unlikely, clearly by the end of next month, that

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Speaker 16: we're going to be at five percent. The daily smoking rates, though,

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Speaker 16: have been falling, and if you look at the breakdown,

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Speaker 16: the numbers are really interesting. Women are not smoking as

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Speaker 16: much as men. That comes as a great surprise because

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Speaker 16: clearly it chose that women have got more a bit

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Speaker 16: more sense than what their male counterparts have. But Sociate

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Speaker 16: Health Minis at Casey Castello Home was on her feet

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Speaker 16: in Parliament today delivering the good news on smoking until

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Speaker 16: she met the pot calling the kettle black confused. Well,

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Speaker 16: have a listening, you'll see what I mean.

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Speaker 18: The smoking rate for fifteen to twenty four year olds

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Speaker 18: is three point two percent, down from nineteen point one

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Speaker 18: percent when the survey started.

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Speaker 3: It's a speaker.

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Speaker 18: At the broadest level, smoking rates for those age between

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Speaker 18: forty five and sixty four remain persistently high. It takes

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Speaker 18: time to shift the behavior of people have been life

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Speaker 18: long smokers.

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Speaker 2: Right on the ball, Winston Peters.

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Speaker 19: Has she seen that due to the success of this

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Speaker 19: program there is less tax coming into the treasury of

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Speaker 19: two hundred million And is that going to the tobacco

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Speaker 19: companies or is the explanation behind that that someone who

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Speaker 19: says that is an economic moron?

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Speaker 2: She said it.

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Speaker 8: You're a moral bon bonic turtle molon.

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Speaker 2: Hell Louke, that's enough total moral A very brief answer.

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Speaker 20: Mister speaker.

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Speaker 18: Yes, we can confirm that there is no tax breaks

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Speaker 18: for those who understand the economy.

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Speaker 3: Barry, here's a text fhears from Mike. When is Barry

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Speaker 3: Soaper's book about prime ministers being written?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 16: Isn't that wonderful?

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Speaker 9: Yes, well, it's coming up next year.

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Speaker 16: I've done the passage. I wouldn't be interviewed for David

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Speaker 16: Cohen's book because it would take the gloss away from

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Speaker 16: my book.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, what a narcissist anyway, You're just unbelievable so the

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Speaker 3: book is is because you think people have only got

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Speaker 3: enough money to buy one order he got out first.

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Speaker 16: Well, I decided to cover all the prime ministers.

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Speaker 10: So there are.

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Speaker 3: It'll be written and it's going to it's out next year.

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Speaker 9: It's out next year.

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Speaker 3: And you were lovely Aboutjessinda, were you? Well, of course

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Speaker 3: I was just like I am about DONALDO. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: very is why people have a different view of me.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Thank you, Barry Soaper, Senior Political Correspondence. Right

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Speaker 3: away from five. Lots of people texting me about what

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Speaker 3: Simeon Brown has just done. Read the puberty Blockers Simeon.

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Speaker 3: We've given put in a call with Simeon's office. Simeon

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Speaker 3: is going to be with us at half past five,

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Speaker 3: so stay tuned for that. And of course Winston Peters

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Speaker 3: is with us straight after the news talk through the

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Speaker 3: faery spend. Listen, it's five away from five. The Viva

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Speaker 3: top fifty Auckland restaurants have just been revealed today and

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Speaker 3: in top spot I can tell you now the best

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Speaker 3: place to eat in Auckland, according to these guys, is

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Speaker 3: a place called Tuller, which is in par Now. Now

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Speaker 3: this is a modern take on traditional Psalm Woran cuisine.

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Speaker 3: And apparently it wasn't even a contest. I mean, like

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Speaker 3: these guys must have eaten their way through Auckland City

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Speaker 3: to try to find this play. They reckon that it

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Speaker 3: took them seconds to decide that Tuller was the best.

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Speaker 3: This is what they've written about it. Your meal is

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Speaker 3: delivered over eight to thirteen courses, each one a tribute

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Speaker 3: to or an interpretation of pacifica village eating that means tropical, fresh,

674
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Speaker 3: tropical ingredients, but also references to the cheap supermarket food

675
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Speaker 3: that colonize the local diet in a world of grim realities.

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Speaker 3: Tuller is enchanting. There is nothing like it in the

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Speaker 3: city or in the world. And then so I mean

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Speaker 3: huge rave reviews from them, you know, definitely, I mean

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Speaker 3: I feel like those guys are just going to be

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Speaker 3: don't even try to get into Tuller for the next

681
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Speaker 3: week or fortnite. You're just not going to be able to.

682
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Speaker 3: It's going to be bookings, bookings, bookings, bookings, and then

683
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Speaker 3: finally maybe next year you'll be able to get in

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Speaker 3: the rest of the top fifty list is basically exactly

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Speaker 3: what you would expect. It would be as Onslow's in

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Speaker 3: their soul bar, the French cafe Jacouzi Farina, Hello, Beastie Depot, Cassia,

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Speaker 3: Bianca as a boo. Actually, now have you heard of Bianca?

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Speaker 3: Bianca is a place in oh, what's it called Anie

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Speaker 3: Hunger in Auckland, right, It's like which is But I

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Speaker 3: know you're going, what Onnie hunger want? But Ornie hunger

691
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Speaker 3: is as everybody's moving out to any hunger. Everyone is

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Speaker 3: in any hunger at the moment. So Biancha is the

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Speaker 3: place to go and eat there. So let me tell

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Speaker 3: you my Bianka story. Because what we do for the

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Speaker 3: concert club is we go we go to like if

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Speaker 3: we're going to go out to a concert, we go

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Speaker 3: to a little restaurant first and try it out, and

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Speaker 3: you know, like we're doing viva, we're eating our way

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Speaker 3: around the city. So we went to Bianca on Saturday

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Speaker 3: night and I think that was the night of Snoop Dogg.

701
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Speaker 3: That's why we went there. And Snoop Dogg got canceled.

702
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Speaker 3: So we were like, oh, look, let's just we'll go

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Speaker 3: out to dinner and we'll just we'll make a night

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Speaker 3: of it. We'll have a fun time. We did not

705
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Speaker 3: make a night of it because John Hawksby ruined it

706
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Speaker 3: for us. He doesn't even know it. What happened is

707
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Speaker 3: they were like, look, we're so busy, we can only

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Speaker 3: get you in for a six thirty sitting. So we

709
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Speaker 3: went in for our six thirty sitting and we sat down,

710
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Speaker 3: we ordered our meal, having a nice time, and then

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Speaker 3: they came up to us and they were like, hey,

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Speaker 3: we need this table in fifteen minutes. And we'd only

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Speaker 3: been there for like an hour and a half, and

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Speaker 3: we were like, okay, that's that's cut it short. And

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Speaker 3: as we were going out the door, one of the

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Speaker 3: girls looked over the counter and saw that the next

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Speaker 3: person coming in was bloody John Hawksby. So I've yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're I mean, if you're gonna lose your table.

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Speaker 21: To Hi, Lore reckons that the anchors and ellerslie.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it basically the same place?

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Speaker 21: So it is an elslie? Okay, not only hunger. Turn

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Speaker 21: your cars around, everybody.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't driving that night, don't blame me. Winston's Next.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try the truck to

725
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Speaker 1: ask the question, get the answers, find the facts.

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Speaker 2: And give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Hither Duo for cell and drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: and the power of satellite mobile News Talk SIV afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters says that he saved US two point three

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Speaker 3: billion dollars with his new fairy deal. He's released the

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Speaker 3: costing for two new Cock Straight Fairies, set to arrive

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Speaker 3: in four years time. The new Fairies plus the supporting

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Speaker 3: infrastructure will cost one point eight six billion dollars and

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Speaker 3: he's with us right now, Winston, Hello, Hello, are you

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Speaker 3: still confident that you've done the right thing?

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Speaker 22: Totally confident we've done the right thing, and it's down

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Speaker 22: to some ex expert people we hired, including the people

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Speaker 22: in the unions, the people who are on the straits themselves,

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Speaker 22: ships captains and people with experience. We went to them

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Speaker 22: for their best of advice and we got it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Because it doesn't look like you've actually really solved

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Speaker 3: saved that much.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 3: You take the cost of the fairies and the supporting infrastructure,

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Speaker 3: add to it the cost of the i REX project

746
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Speaker 3: which was canceled, add to it the cost of the

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Speaker 3: break fees, and you've ended up at two point five

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Speaker 3: billion dollars in what you guys have spent. Compare that

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Speaker 3: to grant Robertson's deal of two point six billion, it's

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Speaker 3: not that much of a saving.

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Speaker 22: Well, if you're going to use rubbish figures, you'll come

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Speaker 22: to your conclusion. But those figures are rubbish, and it's

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Speaker 22: proven by the documents they got from within the organization

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Speaker 22: as they were pursuing I REX in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 22: and also from Treasury and weak out there Treasure, we're

756
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Speaker 22: saying this could blow out to four point two billion.

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Speaker 22: Those are the figures we're using.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's only rubbish, though, if you assume that the

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Speaker 3: projection of the blowout is correct, can you promise though,

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Speaker 3: that your deal is not going to blow out?

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Speaker 22: Yes, it's says reason why we've got discipline and this

762
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Speaker 22: is a common sense we're applying here. There are contingencies

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Speaker 22: in our whole plan as well to cover off any

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Speaker 22: concerns you've got of that nature. But no, we've got

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Speaker 22: together a hard nosed team, people like Ether Simpson and others,

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Speaker 22: Chris McKenzie, experienced people, and they've done a marvelous job

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Speaker 22: and I'm very grateful to them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what are the contingencies you've got in there?

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Speaker 2: Four fifty million for what.

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Speaker 22: Well, you know what contendency means, don't you, In case

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Speaker 22: it's required to be used.

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Speaker 3: Yep, so it could potentially blow out by that much.

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Speaker 3: Or have you built the that's built into the package.

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Speaker 22: It's built into the package, it's built into the well done,

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Speaker 22: hither you finally got there?

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Speaker 9: Thank you very much, Oh Winston.

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Speaker 3: You always bright my day. Thank you so much to

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Speaker 3: look after yourself. Winston p.

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Speaker 2: Ether duper c Ellen's The days.

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Speaker 3: Of emergency housing are all through and may finally be over.

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Speaker 3: The government has ended the house are the use rather

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Speaker 3: of contracted emergency housing motels in the city. There are

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Speaker 3: now no households in emergency housing. The Itania Tapsle is

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Speaker 3: the mayor of Rotruen. She's with us.

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Speaker 23: Titania, Am I the happiest me in the country right now? Potentially?

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Speaker 10: Are you?

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Speaker 3: How happy?

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Speaker 8: Are you?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 6: So happy?

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Speaker 8: Look?

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Speaker 23: You know it's no secret the social disaster that we

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Speaker 23: had of these emergency housing motiles, and I'm just so

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Speaker 23: happy for my community that we've seen the.

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Speaker 6: End of it.

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Speaker 3: Now where have the people gone?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 23: And that's a good question. And the good news is

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Speaker 23: we worked alongside this government to deliver a record amount

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Speaker 23: of affordable houses. And when I say affordable, I say

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Speaker 23: late eighty percent of market rent. This is a big

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Speaker 23: difference for the people that found themselves in emergency housing motels.

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Speaker 3: A whole bunch of these people were actually shipped in

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Speaker 3: by labor, right, so they came from outside the little

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Speaker 3: to have been put in the motels. And let's be

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Speaker 3: honest about it, a bunch of the people who would

808
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: have been in these motels will now end up on

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Speaker 3: the street. Are they ending up on the street in

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Speaker 3: the rutu look?

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Speaker 23: And there has been a genuine concern, but I'm really

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Speaker 23: happy to confirm that is absolutely not the case. We

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Speaker 23: do have some people on the streets, as all towns do.

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Speaker 23: We've got about twelve to fifteen on any given day.

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Speaker 23: But you know what, we have constantly offered these people help,

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Speaker 23: access to services that are available. We're so lucky to

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Speaker 23: be in a country that does have services and help available.

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Speaker 23: And unfortunately, at the end of this is a health problem.

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Speaker 23: There's dragon addiction issues. It's not a housing problem.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this has done your city no end of

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Speaker 3: harm just in terms of reputation and branding. Do you

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00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: reckon how long before you get your city back to

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Speaker 3: what it was before twenty twenty one when this started.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 23: Look, and this is where I really need to thank

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Speaker 23: this government because they also backed it up with giving

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Speaker 23: us just over four million dollars to boost our tourism.

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Speaker 23: So that's promoting internationally as well. And between building the

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Speaker 23: homes we actually needed affordable ones and boosting our economy,

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Speaker 23: it's going to be great. Like our tourism industry here

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Speaker 23: in Austa is the heartbeat of Roulchester. They are also

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Speaker 23: they're incredible and we are welcoming back heats of visitors.

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Speaker 23: In fact, our spend is actually just over what it

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Speaker 23: used to be in covid prior, so we're very happy

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Speaker 23: and also to come and see us anytime.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Thank you, Tanya. Tanya Tabsle, mayor.

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Speaker 2: Of Rotrou Heather dops the outside.

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Speaker 3: Heather, can you please ask Winston about the announcement about

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Speaker 3: blocking new puberty blocker? Is actually fair point I should

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Speaker 3: have because he probably was quite happy about that news.

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Speaker 3: We've got some brown on that are just half to

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Speaker 3: half past five. It's not looking good for gas. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I feel like every I'm sorry to say this, but

844
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Speaker 3: every single time there's news about gas. It's pretty much

845
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 3: can be summed up with the sentence it's not looking

846
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: good for gas. There is a new report that's been

847
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: commissioned by the four big power companies. This is done

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Speaker 3: by the Boston Consulting Group, and they say that what

849
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: little gas we have at the moment, we could have

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Speaker 3: again in the next five years potentially. So you know,

851
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 3: let's not get excited. I think this is the plane

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00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 3: message here. Every time Shane Jones goes out and he

853
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 3: says he's trying to secure more investment and we're digging

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00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: in the ground. We don't get excited because the feeling

855
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: out there is that there just isn't gas and we

856
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: need to be realistic about it. If there is gas,

857
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 3: people don't want to drill for it. We're not going

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00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: to get it. And remember, right, this is coming off

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Speaker 3: the back of what's already happened. So between twenty fifteen

860
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: and now, which is ten years, the gas supply has halved,

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00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: the prices that we pay for gas has doubled, and

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00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: you can do that again. You can have it again

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00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: in the next five years. And what do you think

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Speaker 3: the price is going to do in the next five years.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, if you've got the gas and you're relying

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00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: on it, you might want to start thinking about that again.

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Speaker 3: Right next up, let's we're going to go to one

868
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: of the bars, because apparently the bars are going absolutely

869
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: nuts at the minute because of Metallica. So go to

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Speaker 3: the bar. We'll find out how heaving it is. Judging

871
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: by the texts, it's heaving thirteen bus five. Okay. If

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00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: you love a rose, and if you love a bargain,

873
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: and who doesn't, then get yourself in front of a

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Speaker 2: Heather Duples Cyllen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what's happening tonight. If you've looked around

899
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Speaker 3: the center of Auckland, if you're on Auckland, you looked

900
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Speaker 3: around and you go, why has West Aalkland come to town? Well,

901
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: that's because of Metallica, one of the world's biggest mesal

902
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: bands performing one night only at Eden Park. Auckland's accommodation

903
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: is full. The buses heading to the venue are probably full,

904
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Speaker 3: the bars are definitely full. Shane On is the general

905
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Speaker 3: manager of the full Time Bar in Kingsland and with us.

906
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Speaker 3: Hello Shane, Hi, oh mate, how busy.

907
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Speaker 7: Is it with you?

908
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Speaker 14: Hell good? I feel I've stepped back into the eighties,

909
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Speaker 14: except everyone's in black, including me. I'm glad I got

910
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Speaker 14: the right phone call. We're black this morning?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

912
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Speaker 10: Have you are you?

913
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Speaker 3: Are you fully kutted out like a Bogan.

914
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 14: We're stacked, absolutely stacked in here. Everyone's kitted out like Bogan.

915
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Speaker 14: So I'm kitted out like a Bogan, and I honestly

916
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 14: feel like I've walked back thirty years.

917
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Speaker 3: What are the Bogans drinking?

918
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Speaker 14: Well, there's plenty of liquid amber and a whole lot

919
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Speaker 14: of check Daniels.

920
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not surprised by that. Can you hear the

921
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Speaker 3: concert from your pub? Do you reckon?

922
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Speaker 14: I can actually yeah, out on the back on the

923
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Speaker 14: back deck, I reckon. I'm close to the stage in

924
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Speaker 14: the other end of Eden Park, so you know it's

925
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Speaker 14: going to I'll be sitting out there myself having a

926
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Speaker 14: little listen, but it's going to be awesome.

927
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Because I was just wondering for people who might

928
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Speaker 3: want to, you know, go on, go on the cheap

929
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Speaker 3: and still have the experience, but without paying for a ticket.

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Speaker 3: Can they come around to your place?

931
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Speaker 14: We're always welcome to coming have an ale with us

932
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Speaker 14: here and and then and listen to the sounds. But

933
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Speaker 14: the whole of Kingsland's just rocking. It's just such a

934
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Speaker 14: great vibe and seys we need more of these, don't

935
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Speaker 14: we tell you?

936
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Speaker 3: Tell me about it? How has it been lately? Has

937
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Speaker 3: it been okay this year for concerts?

938
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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Not really.

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Speaker 14: I mean we've we've had we've had a couple, but

941
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Speaker 14: they're all going to the smaller places, you know. I mean,

942
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Speaker 14: obviously it's difficult when these big guys come to town

943
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Speaker 14: that they have to shut down a little bit earlier

944
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Speaker 14: and it makes things difficult, but they look it looks

945
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Speaker 14: like things may open up in that area. And the

946
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Speaker 14: vibe is just awesome. It's a great time and rains

947
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Speaker 14: bug it off. And yeah, we need a lot more

948
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Speaker 14: of these. I think ye Auckland definitely does. The New

949
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Speaker 14: Zealand definitely don't need them. Hospitality needs to get a

950
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Speaker 14: good portion these. These help.

951
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Speaker 2: These help big time too, right, are you all in

952
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Speaker 2: for this?

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Speaker 24: You know?

954
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Speaker 3: Expanded concerts at Eden Park.

955
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Speaker 14: Have to be I mean like hospitality is, you know,

956
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Speaker 14: is the livelihood in some cases to a lot of people.

957
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Speaker 14: And you know, all our younguns grow up going through

958
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Speaker 14: hospitality and working in bars and restas and so forth,

959
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Speaker 14: and we play a big part of the in the

960
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Speaker 14: community as well. So yeah, I'm fully supportive of anything

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Speaker 14: that's not just concerts, but anything that's going to come

962
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Speaker 14: and eat the park and bring bring people to town.

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Speaker 14: It's just such a good vibe. I mean, people forget

964
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Speaker 14: about the vibe it does, smiles on people's dolls. That's great,

965
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Speaker 14: brilliant stuff.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm loath to do this, but top Metallica song.

967
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Speaker 14: Nothing else matters.

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Speaker 3: From you, Shane, I love it. Shane on full time

969
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Speaker 3: full time bar general manager ants how fast are you?

970
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Speaker 10: Who?

971
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Speaker 3: You got it? Or you can see answers trying.

972
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Speaker 11: Maybe you should pass forward through it.

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Speaker 3: No, this is the good bit. No, because it's but

974
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Speaker 3: this is the bit that people like me like because

975
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Speaker 3: it's not too stressful. It's when they start hitting those

976
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 3: guitars it's stressful. Here's some numbers for the UK. They

977
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Speaker 3: have hundreds of speakers up tonight. They have one hundred

978
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Speaker 3: and fifty decibells per output used in the show. They

979
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Speaker 3: have sticks. This is what The speaker set up is

980
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 3: they have twenty cabinet speakers, ten subwiffers. There will be

981
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty speakers around the stage, forty eight

982
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: speakers in the back, forty hanging subwhiffers. Why do you

983
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: make the beautiful music? Go away?

984
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Speaker 24: There?

985
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Speaker 8: We go?

986
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Speaker 7: Thank you?

987
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: Seven to two floor wedges, forty eight on the ground

988
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Speaker 3: under the stage. It's going to if you're there, you're

989
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 3: going to be You know what I'm doing when I

990
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 3: go there, I'm taking a little earplugs to pop them

991
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: in like a nanna, and you're going to need to

992
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Speaker 3: do that too. Hither you don't sound too well, I

993
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: hope you're okay. I'm fine. I sang too much at

994
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 3: Lenni on Saturday night. I'm going to tell you about

995
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: that shortly, and I'm not going to be singing at

996
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 3: Metallica tonight.

997
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Speaker 2: There it is?

998
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 3: How much your first thing for being there tonight? Yes,

999
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Speaker 3: Metallica five twenty one.

1000
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Speaker 11: To trust you are.

1001
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Speaker 2: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

1002
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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage

1003
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Speaker 1: like no one else used talk they'd be.

1004
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: There no emergency motels, suspended puberty blockers, cheap faries, all

1005
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: of it is great news. We're going to talk to

1006
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: Simeon Brown, who's the Health Minister, about the puberty blockers, which,

1007
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: if you haven't caught the news, have effectively been banned

1008
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: for kids, so teams under the age of what eighteen

1009
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: or whatever, but everybody else who needs them for medical reasons,

1010
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: we'll be able to get them. He's going to talk

1011
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 3: us through it after the half past five news. It's

1012
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 3: twenty four past five.

1013
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 14: Now.

1014
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: If you don't take away anything from that Business New

1015
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: Zealand report on what this country needs to do in

1016
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 3: the next few decades, take this away. Our population must

1017
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: double in size to ten million in the next thirty

1018
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: five years.

1019
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 8: Now.

1020
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Speaker 3: Business New Zealand's reason for this is that it's because

1021
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: we're facing a la labor shortage. We could be potentially

1022
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 3: short a quarter of a million people and we run

1023
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 3: the real risk that we might stop growing population wise

1024
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: in the next few decades. Business New Zealander is of

1025
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: course not the first group to say this. You might

1026
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: recall even Simon Bridges said it a couple of years back.

1027
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 3: I suspect Business New Zealand is going to run into

1028
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 3: the same trouble that Simon did when he said it,

1029
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: which is that your average voter is going to say

1030
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: no because they don't want any more migrants crowding cities

1031
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: and taking houses, and politicians, the average politicians just going

1032
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: to ignore it because they can't be fact coming up

1033
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: with the infrastructure and the housing and the population plans

1034
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 3: that you need to prepare for that many people coming

1035
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: into the country. But let me tell you something. This

1036
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: needs to happen, and it's simply because we are not

1037
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: having enough babies of our own. One day. They need

1038
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: to become workers, and they need to become taxpayers, and

1039
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 3: they need to help pay the country's bills. Right now,

1040
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: we have just look at the superannuation problem we've got

1041
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: right right now, we have four and a half workers

1042
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: supporting every single pension and drawing superannuation from the government.

1043
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 3: In the next three decades or so, which is my lifetime,

1044
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: your lifetime, all of our lifetimes, it's only going to

1045
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 3: be down to two workers. That's unsustainable. But also bigger

1046
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: is better. I mean, you basically heard that from the

1047
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: bar just before. More people means we can afford better infrastructure,

1048
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 3: We can afford better trains. We can afford more tunnels,

1049
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: more bridges. We'll have more vibrant cities. We'll have more

1050
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: top quality restaurants, more clever young people doing innovative things.

1051
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 3: More artists come and stop here because there are enough

1052
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: people wanting to buy tickets in one location instead of

1053
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: forcing us to do an oasis and fly to Melbourne

1054
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: to see them. Business New Zealand is right, we do

1055
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: need ten million people, but my guess is no one's

1056
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 3: going to tell them that they're right, and no one's

1057
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: going to prepare for it. It will happen, but it

1058
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: will happen in the same way that all of our

1059
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: population growth has happened, which is unplanned and accidental.

1060
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: Forgever do for ce Ellen.

1061
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 3: I don't know how I feel about this. Apparently Kevin Costner.

1062
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: Actually I do know how I feel about this. Kevin

1063
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: Costner is considering playing Bill Clinton in a new political

1064
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: drama series which is called United.

1065
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Speaker 24: Now.

1066
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Speaker 3: I'm all about that because I love me a bit

1067
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: of Kevin Costner, and I was not upset with the

1068
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: Yellowstone that happened, and he fought with everybody and he

1069
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: sounded like a complete prat. I was like, oh, well,

1070
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 3: you know what can you do? So I'm I'm happy

1071
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 3: to watch this. However, the show is going to be

1072
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: about the United Nations and it's going to be produced

1073
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Speaker 3: in association with the United Nations. Now what does that?

1074
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Speaker 12: What?

1075
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Speaker 19: Yes?

1076
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: That's right? What did your face just do?

1077
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Speaker 12: It?

1078
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Speaker 3: Did that thing right? Because who's paying for it is

1079
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: the UN paying? How do you feel about the UN

1080
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: paying for it? Would it not be better if the

1081
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 3: UN spent their money actually trying to feed starving children

1082
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: and inoculating people and preventing disease instead of just doing

1083
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: some pr for themselves. Simeon Brown's next.

1084
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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

1085
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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home, it's heather due to

1086
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Speaker 1: c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the power

1087
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Speaker 1: of satellite mobile news talks enbly.

1088
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Speaker 3: Apparently the average spent well, yeah, I think it is

1089
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Speaker 3: the average spin The average spend on Christmas presents this

1090
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Speaker 3: year is going to be about one hundred and forty dollars.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to Mary Holm, personal finance expert about that.

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Speaker 3: After six o'clock. The huddle is standing by right now,

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Speaker 3: it's twenty five away from six. Now, it's a big

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Speaker 3: move from the government today on the use of puberty blockers.

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Speaker 3: From the nineteenth of December, transgender children will no longer

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Speaker 3: have access to puberty block unless they're already using them.

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Speaker 3: Puberty blockers, by the way, if you don't know other

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Speaker 3: hormones that delay puberty and young people can stop it

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Speaker 3: all together. Simeon Brown is the Health Minister and with

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Speaker 3: us Hi, Simon Hi, here the hell are you? And well,

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Speaker 3: thank you? Why have you moved to effectively ban them

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Speaker 3: all together?

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Speaker 25: We are following the evidence from both the CAST report

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Speaker 25: and also the Ministry of Health evidence brief from last year,

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Speaker 25: which showed there's a lack of high quality evidence that

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Speaker 25: demonstrates the benefits or risks of the use of these

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Speaker 25: treatments on children with gender dysphoria or incongruence. And while

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Speaker 25: this uncertainty persists, we're taking a precautionary approach for our

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Speaker 25: children to make sure that there are strongest safeguards in

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Speaker 25: place and effectively, what we're doing is putting in place

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Speaker 25: a restriction on the prescribing of these drugs for this purpose,

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Speaker 25: to make sure that those who are prescribing look at

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Speaker 25: what of the wider range of treatments or things that

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Speaker 25: can be done to support those children.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what is the uncertainty is that this is reversible.

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Speaker 25: Well, there's a range of things which has been considered

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Speaker 25: as part of the CASTS Report, its impacts in terms

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Speaker 25: of a child's development, impacts on terms of the organs,

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Speaker 25: and other things which have been considered. Effectively, the evidence

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Speaker 25: through the CAST Report and also the Ministry of Health's

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Speaker 25: Evidence Brief basically found there's not it. There's been no

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Speaker 25: high quality evidence to prove the benefits or risks of

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Speaker 25: these treatments, all these drugs for this purpose, and therefore,

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Speaker 25: in terms with the absence of that, we need to

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Speaker 25: take a precautionary approach in these instances, and that's why

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Speaker 25: we're following what the UK has done in which we're

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Speaker 25: putting a band in place for the prescribing of these drugs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, did you not think about an intermediate

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Speaker 3: step perhaps where you let it a clinical psychologist or

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Speaker 3: somebody who's very well trained make the decision for transgender

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Speaker 3: children who are genuinely trans.

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Speaker 25: Well, there's a range of other things and services which

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Speaker 25: are provided for children who do present to clinicians with

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Speaker 25: gender incongruence or gender dysphoria, and we expect those clinicians

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Speaker 25: to continue to work with them and their families. We've

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Speaker 25: also made the decision, and are.

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Speaker 3: They able to prescribe puberty blockers.

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Speaker 25: No, they won't be able to, but they'll be able

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Speaker 25: to consider other interventions, and there's a range of interventions

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Speaker 25: that are well, there's a range of psychosocial interventions that

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Speaker 25: are provided to support children and their families as they go.

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Speaker 2: Through that process.

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Speaker 3: Just to be clear, there is nothing that can stop

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Speaker 3: them from actually developing into a man or a woman right.

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Speaker 25: Well, effectively, the evidence, as I said, the evidence from

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Speaker 25: both the Cash Report and also the Ministry of Health's

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Speaker 25: Evidence Brief shows a lack of evidence around the safeguards

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Speaker 25: in terms of the safety of these particular drugs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean that's cool. I understand. What I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to just ascertain is any kind of interventions or

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Speaker 3: help that are able to be provided if you don't

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Speaker 3: have the puberty blockers. These kids will have to go

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Speaker 3: through puberty, will have to become the the gender they

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Speaker 3: don't think they are, right.

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Speaker 25: And there's a range of other interventions that can be

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Speaker 25: provided for those children through that process as they grow

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Speaker 25: older to be able to ensure that they can go

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Speaker 25: through the process and receive that and that's what we

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Speaker 25: expect those clinicians to provide those services for them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, this is basically essentially an effective pause until

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Speaker 3: this clinical trial is completed in the UK. How long

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Speaker 3: is that going to take?

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Speaker 25: Well, it will take some time. Clinical trials are not

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Speaker 25: done overnight, so I imagine that will take probably some years.

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Speaker 25: But ultimately the decision has been made in the same

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Speaker 25: way that the UK government has in what some of

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Speaker 25: the Scandinavian countries have done, which is efectively put a

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Speaker 25: pause on the prescribing of these drugs whilst there is

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Speaker 25: further evidence collected. The UK government is ahead of where

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Speaker 25: we are. They have already started work and putting together

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Speaker 25: a clinical trial and once that clinical trial has reported

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Speaker 25: its evidence, that will allow the Ministry of Health to

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Speaker 25: provide us with further evidence as to what the decision

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Speaker 25: should be going forward.

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Speaker 3: Right, saman thanks very much for talking us through. To

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Simmy and Brown, Health Minister twenty away.

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Speaker 1: From six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty

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Speaker 3: On the huddle of this this evening we have Jordan

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Speaker 3: Williams of the Taxpayers Union of Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster. Hello lads, Jordan, listen,

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Speaker 3: this news is obviously just broken this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any view on us on the puberty blocking?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, hither I have enough enemies fighting for lower taxes.

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Speaker 24: I am, as I am. It's probably the only topic

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Speaker 24: I don't want to go there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I I.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, well Jordan, so is it for you so tricky?

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Speaker 12: Like?

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Speaker 3: Do you think that this is such a tricky and

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Speaker 3: vexed issue you actually don't even want to talk about it.

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Speaker 24: I have a staffer who has strong views on transgender

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Speaker 24: matters and gets death threats nearly every day. I think

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Speaker 24: that this is the most awful area of public policy.

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Speaker 24: I think I'm happy to pontificate that what the government

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Speaker 24: is doing I think is smart, notwithstanding saying you know,

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Speaker 24: frick it off to the experts when the effect cabinet

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Speaker 24: has the following internet, you know, particularly the UK. But

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Speaker 24: what governments are doing using the latest clinical information that

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Speaker 24: they have been given there is at least a as

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Speaker 24: you know, some people advocate that we will look back

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Speaker 24: on the last few years in the way that young

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Speaker 24: people that have questioning sexuality and been arguably or affirmed

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Speaker 24: or shepherded into lopping off their breasts or doing terrible things,

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Speaker 24: that one could argue that we could look back on

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Speaker 24: the period of the last ten years with horror, which

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Speaker 24: here I am taking a position, but is real. It's

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Speaker 24: one I don't really like to get to get into

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Speaker 24: because it's just awful treatment of people on both sides.

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Speaker 3: Jordan, I don't think that you should feel ashamed of that.

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Speaker 3: I think that there are some issues that are just

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Speaker 3: so difficult that people don't want to talk about it,

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Speaker 3: and it is one of them saying, so, look, I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is a it is a difficult subject, but it

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Speaker 3: is It is very difficult to see it as being

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Speaker 3: the right thing to do to allow young people before

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Speaker 3: they really are old enough to make decisions to effectively

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Speaker 3: sterilize themselves right by preventing their own pabty.

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Speaker 10: My view on this is colored a bit by a

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Speaker 10: good friend of mine who went through exactly that their

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Speaker 10: child decided that this wasn't the they believed they were

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Speaker 10: a different gender, and they started procedures, and then there

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Speaker 10: was a change of sudden. No, I was just going

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Speaker 10: through a phase. I don't believe that now.

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Speaker 24: Oh it's just a nightmare, Heather, nightmare.

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Speaker 10: Now, that doesn't mean that it couldn't necessarily be youthful,

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Speaker 10: for you know, this is where the psychiatrist and everyone

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Speaker 10: else is to has to come into it. I mean,

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Speaker 10: anyone you talk to in that area, it is there's

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Speaker 10: so many whether it's caused by the dysmorphear or whatever,

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Speaker 10: but there are so many issues, mental health issues around

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Speaker 10: the whole treatment and preparation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think you're getting at there sayings it

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Speaker 3: was a very salient point, right that there will be

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Speaker 3: a very small number of kids who truly are trans.

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Speaker 3: But if we know one thing about kids having been

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Speaker 3: kids and raised kids, is that kids convince themselves of

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Speaker 3: a thing that they are like their friends, and it's

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Speaker 3: very hard to kind of pick apart who really is

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Speaker 3: trans and who is just going with the kind of

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Speaker 3: trendy thing. Right, that's part of the problem.

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Speaker 10: Yep, yeah, I mean, and look, the big the faar

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Speaker 10: with it, I suppose was you know, Cayden's steps that

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Speaker 10: certainly that couldn't be reversed or couldn't be dealt with

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Speaker 10: and like in this particular case, it was just it

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Speaker 10: was just horrific.

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Speaker 3: So was it reversible in the case that you're talking about? Sorry,

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Speaker 3: was it reversible in the case that you're talking about?

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Speaker 10: Are still going through as she's over there?

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Speaker 24: Either?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I know that wasn't quite as simple. It wasn't

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Speaker 10: a simple So we'll.

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Speaker 3: Take a quick break. I really appreciate it. We'll come

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Speaker 3: back with another subject. And just to take this, Mark Sainsbury,

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Speaker 3: Jordan Williams out the Huddle to seven x sixteen away

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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only

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Speaker 3: Back of the Huddle. Jordan Williams and Mark Sainsbury Jordan

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Speaker 3: do you buy Winston Peter's argument that he saved billions

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Speaker 3: on the fairies?

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Speaker 24: Well, I mean they were landed with a pretty terrible

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Speaker 24: situation with Kiwi Rail that it totally boils it up,

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Speaker 24: and Treasure Advice saying it was going to cost what

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Speaker 24: four and a half billion or twice what what TV

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Speaker 24: Rail initially said it was going to but of course

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Speaker 24: being the government instead of you know, clearing out Kiwi

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Speaker 24: Rail and doing a proper job and asking the fundamental question,

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Speaker 24: which is why don't the textpayer needed fun fairies? And

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Speaker 24: we've got private operators and the rest of the world

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Speaker 24: that do this sort of stuff every day instead. And

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Speaker 24: I can tell you that the text page Union had

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Speaker 24: snuffed this out. We discovered about an hour ago that

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Speaker 24: in our building, no less, this Fairy Holdings company takes

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Speaker 24: up our whole floor. Yeah, so it may have saved billions,

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Speaker 24: very good. But instead of sorting out, you know, the

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Speaker 24: actual company that's supposed to run the faeries, and you

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Speaker 24: know that would presumably include you know, buying them, they've

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Speaker 24: created a whole new bureaucracy and a floor on Lampden

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Speaker 24: key of of bureaucrats to manage this classic Wellington. But

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Speaker 24: credit credits I.

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Speaker 3: Don't remember them. I can't remember the exact figure. But

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Speaker 3: I saw the I saw how much Fairy Holdings is

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Speaker 3: costing us, and it's it's a surprisingly big number. Actually,

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Speaker 3: says are were you impressed with the steel? I mean

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Speaker 3: bearing in mind, so in the context is it was

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Speaker 3: going to cost labor two point six billions for their fairies.

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Speaker 3: It's essentially costing US two point five billion for the steel,

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Speaker 3: which doesn't feel like a massive saving.

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Speaker 10: No, and then as he had in the cost of

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Speaker 10: Winston flying to China to have a celebratory Yeah, I

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Speaker 10: mean next, look, in some ways, maybe it's part of

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Speaker 10: the but you're going on and on about all these

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Speaker 10: unnecessary costs and these consultants and all these people, who

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Speaker 10: are you feeding off the teeth? And then they're going,

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Speaker 10: we're all flying over the kind to have.

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Speaker 14: Some sort of serum seramony.

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Speaker 24: Well, I think you're being a bit but I'm not

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Speaker 24: if you guys know, I'm not one to sort of

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Speaker 24: whole fire on Winstone. But the Treasury advice was that

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Speaker 24: this was going to this had doubled in cost.

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Speaker 2: There was a projection you're the real saving here.

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Speaker 3: And that was that a prodiction or was that actually like,

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Speaker 3: could they actually give us the receipts for that?

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Speaker 24: They pulled the plug on, and that seemed for you.

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Speaker 3: Come on, jan you were you didn't come down in

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Speaker 3: a rain shower last night. You know very well that

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Speaker 3: Treasury tells you what you want Treasury to tell.

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Speaker 24: You, right, So No, I think when they entered off us,

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Speaker 24: this was one of the flashing red lights saying Lite,

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Speaker 24: you've got to deal with us.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's probably a whole whole chat and how

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Speaker 3: we've lost confidence in treasury saying so is the fault

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Speaker 3: of the Breakers for not wanting to the Pride flag?

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Speaker 3: Or is it the fault? Is it the fault? Alternative theory?

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Speaker 3: Is it the fault of the NBL the league for

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Speaker 3: making a Pride week and creating a situation like this

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Speaker 3: the potential for it to happen, you will.

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Speaker 10: I've sort of created and shoehl them into it. Lookay

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Speaker 10: tell you this sort of raised a bit of I second,

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Speaker 10: remember old Israel Phalau and yeaht of trouble he got

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Speaker 10: into because I'm sort of reading this thing and I'm

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Speaker 10: trying to work out so they're trying to protect individual players.

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Speaker 10: So obviously there are individual players within the Breakers who

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Speaker 10: don't want to wear it, and so to avoid them

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Speaker 10: being singled out for not wearing it, they all won't

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Speaker 10: wear it. It's just a bit said it take you nowhere,

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Speaker 10: isn't it?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 10: I sort of pastor that a bit you don't. Yeah, look,

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Speaker 10: I just found the whole thing about trading. But then again,

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Speaker 10: I think You've got a point there. They should have

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Speaker 10: thought this thing through before they put teams into this decision.

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Speaker 10: See what you know, the rugby did it during the

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Speaker 10: during the rugby championship, Yeah, the Super Rugby. You know,

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Speaker 10: there was different themes each each week, and pride was

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Speaker 10: one of those. Ye, it's sort of become part of it.

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Speaker 10: But issues and a lot of conservative conservative sports people,

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Speaker 10: well this.

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Speaker 3: Is the thing Jordan. And in twenty twenty two, a

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Speaker 3: year before these guys started doing it in basketball, the

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Speaker 3: same thing happened in the NRL. So why did they

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Speaker 3: not learn from that?

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Speaker 24: Well, I think the open windows shifted a bit on this.

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Speaker 24: You know, I would say good on the breakers for

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Speaker 24: doing it, because I'm sorry, it's not homophobia to not

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Speaker 24: go along with what you know, the pride movement and

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Speaker 24: what it now is. I mean, you look at I

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Speaker 24: have gay staff who don't agree with the Rainbow movement

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Speaker 24: because of where it's gone on the trans issues and

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Speaker 24: various other file eve activism. But you look at someone

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Speaker 24: like Stephen Rainbow, the Human Rights Commissioner. You know, he

1352
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Speaker 24: was attacked by the despite being the wrong sort of Rainbow,

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Speaker 24: so not subscribing to all the.

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Speaker 14: Other activist views.

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Speaker 24: Look, I'm sorry, but I mean we see this all

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Speaker 24: the time through the Free Speech Union, that government agencies

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Speaker 24: think you must be you must be virtuous, you must

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Speaker 24: go along with this pride activism, or there's something wrong

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Speaker 24: with you. Well no, look, I'm sorry, we well we're

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Speaker 24: well passed. You know that it's not bigotry to not

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Speaker 24: go along with all the other things that are tacked

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Speaker 24: on to these activist movements. And I say good on

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Speaker 24: the breakers actually saying look, we here to play rugby. Sorry,

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Speaker 24: let we'll let well, you know, kind of rugby.

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Speaker 3: Like basketball, basketball like rugby, says Or has just shown

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Speaker 3: that he doesn't understand sports.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, guys, sports ball beat sports ball.

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Speaker 2: I say, oh lord.

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Speaker 3: God, thank you so much. You guys appreciate it. Mark Sains,

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Speaker 3: Brig Jordan Williams a hut all this evening. I mean basketball, rugby.

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Speaker 3: What's the difference eight away from six?

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dooper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Hither as appearance of a trans son, Simeon's response is

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Speaker 3: simply ignorant. This response is on par with using conversion

1376
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 3: therapy on gays. So I tell you what, do not

1377
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 3: underestimate how upset people will be about this today, okay,

1378
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Speaker 3: And I think if there's one thing I can say

1379
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Speaker 3: about this debate, it would be just to try to

1380
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Speaker 3: be kind about it, because, oh lord, do I sound

1381
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Speaker 3: like just Cinder. It's because I'm reading her book. Reading

1382
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Speaker 3: the book. It's to just deal with it with empathy, right,

1383
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 3: because I think, look on balance, I do feel that

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Speaker 3: the right decision is that the decision that's been taken

1385
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 3: today is closer to the right decision than where it

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Speaker 3: was before we were prescribing. I don't know if you're

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Speaker 3: aware of the numbers, but we were prescribing puberty blockers

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Speaker 3: at a rate that was like multiples of the UK.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly seven, eight, nine, ten times what

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Speaker 3: the UK was prescribing there. It was quite obvious that

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Speaker 3: there was way too much freedom in New Zealand. With that,

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Speaker 3: probably I would have liked to have seen them end

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01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 3: up somewhere a little bit more nuanced, where maybe a

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01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 3: clinical psychologist could, like after a lot of rigorous stuff,

1395
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 3: could figure out yep, this CAD definitely is trans rather

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Speaker 3: than just the vibe that they may be and give

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Speaker 3: it in the very very rarest of circumstances. So you know,

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Speaker 3: as I say, on balance, probably closer to the right decision,

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Speaker 3: but still pretty hard decision four away from sex. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so listen, let's talk about Lenny Kravitz. So I have

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Speaker 3: been dying to tell you about Lenny Kravitz. This is

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Speaker 3: Lenny is the reason that my voice is like it

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01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 3: is today because I went to Lenny and I just

1404
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Speaker 3: had the best time. I don't even I'm not even

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Speaker 3: a Lenny fan. I didn't. I had to listen to

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Speaker 3: the set list beforehand to kind of like know even

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Speaker 3: like about seven of his songs, but when it was

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Speaker 3: such a fantastic concert, as one hundred percent the second

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Speaker 3: best concert I've ever been to Coldplavers the first, this

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Speaker 3: was the second, and again not even a massive Coldplay fan.

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Speaker 3: What it was was he's a performer, right, so he

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01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 3: knows he's like seventy percent good on the music. The

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Speaker 3: rest is just sex. So he just came out all sexy.

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Speaker 3: He was like fingers in his pants, like tugging down

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Speaker 3: at it. His musicians, the ones with the good bodies

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Speaker 3: on the bass and the one on the sacks, had

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Speaker 3: to basically get their shirts off for the girls. So

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Speaker 3: they were standing there with their their T shirt, muscles

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Speaker 3: out and stuff. He had just like more lights than

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Speaker 3: you've ever seen. He had an enormous stage of Yep,

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Speaker 3: it was an enormous set of stage screens. That's what

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Speaker 3: I was talking about. Lots of smoke. Just the man

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Speaker 3: is just you know what it is. He's a performer.

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Speaker 3: And what I've realized is when you go to a concert,

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Speaker 3: it is actually less about the content and more about

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Speaker 3: the performance. He put a show on. Anyway, so I sang,

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Speaker 3: I did that thing that boomers do. I was like, yeah, baby,

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Speaker 3: I can't even do it now.

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Speaker 21: Sing along head they come on, I can't sing anymore.

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Speaker 2: It was wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Go and see Lenny if you get a chance. Personal

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Speaker 3: Finances Next.

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Speaker 1: Queer Business, who meets Inside the Business Hour with Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplessy Allen and Mass Motor Vehicle Insurance.

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Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands. News talks that'd.

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Speaker 3: Be coming up in the next hour of Milford Asset

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Speaker 3: Management on whether the economy is at an inflection point.

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Speaker 3: Genative Trainee has heard the government is going to delay

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Speaker 3: hiking the EQC levy until after the election. We'll talk

1440
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Speaker 3: to her about that, and then, of course Gavin Gray

1441
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Speaker 3: is with us out of the UK. It's seven past six.

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Speaker 3: Now Christmas is just around the corner, and if you

1443
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Speaker 3: haven't braved them all yet, it's probably time to start.

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01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 3: But a new survey out shows that keys are quite

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01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 3: skin to this Christmas. The average person is going to

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Speaker 3: spend about one hundred and forty dollars on presents this year.

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Speaker 3: That's down from about one hundred and sixty three dollars

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Speaker 3: last year. Mary Holm is a personal finance journalist and

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Speaker 3: author and with us Hi Mary Hi Hi hea that

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Speaker 3: this is just a sign of financial times, isn't it you.

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Speaker 20: Look, I suppose it is. Although every year, you know,

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01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 20: you get some people saying, oh my gosh, I haven't

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Speaker 20: got enough money to spend on Christmas and.

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Speaker 2: Look up.

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Speaker 20: Basically, what I would love families to do is think

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Speaker 20: about how putting financial pressure on themselves in order to

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Speaker 20: perhaps buy more presents for the children must end up

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Speaker 20: with them being not such nice parents in the long run,

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Speaker 20: you know, if in January they're stressed and.

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Speaker 7: All of that.

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Speaker 20: And so, I mean, of course you can't put the

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Speaker 20: question to the child and say would you rather have

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Speaker 20: a happy mummy and daddy in January? And fewer presents,

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Speaker 20: but in fact I suspect that is what the kids

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Speaker 20: would prefer. Really, yeah, it's just awful.

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Speaker 3: So what's your advice, Mary, don't spend as much on

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Speaker 3: the Christmas presents?

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Speaker 20: In my weekend here on Q and A column. A

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Speaker 20: few different times over the years, I've said to readers,

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Speaker 20: you know, what are your suggestions on cutting back Christmas spending?

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Speaker 20: And some of them just quickly. There's a secret center

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Speaker 20: which we all know about, where you all pull a

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Speaker 20: name out of the hat for next year and buy

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Speaker 20: only the one present, and that can work well. Or

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Speaker 20: there's buying only op shop gifts yep, or second hand

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Speaker 20: books only, which you know could be quite fun going

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Speaker 20: and rummaging around bookshops to find the right gift for people.

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Speaker 20: Or making your gifts, you know, you have to either

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Speaker 20: do some baking or perhaps put the plant from the

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Speaker 20: garden in a pot, or do some knitting or something

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Speaker 20: like that. I mean, another one that my family has

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Speaker 20: done is, apart from the children, don't give one another

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Speaker 20: Christmas presents. Give a nice birthday present instead, and that

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Speaker 20: means that you can actually concentrate on that one person

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Speaker 20: when their birthday comes round, and you know, give them

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Speaker 20: something decent for their birthday.

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Speaker 3: And what do you think do you think that it's

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Speaker 3: better for the kids, Like, can you trick the kids

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Speaker 3: with lots with a bunch of much cheaper presents or

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Speaker 3: is it better to go for one more more substantial present.

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Speaker 20: Well, you know, obviously the more substantial good present in

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Speaker 20: the long run is the good one. The trouble is

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Speaker 20: could see all the all the stuff their friends get it.

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Speaker 20: Oh look, it's not easy, and you know it's controversy

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Speaker 20: about the colored sand at the moment. People go out by,

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Speaker 20: you know, cheap toys for kids and they don't always

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Speaker 20: turn out to be good quality. There's no really easy

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Speaker 20: answer for the children.

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Speaker 6: I think.

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Speaker 20: I think it's much easier to limit your spending on

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Speaker 20: adults and teenagers, you know, give them twenty bucks and

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Speaker 20: then they can spend it their own way.

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Speaker 23: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: Look, yeah, I haven't got a magic answer about that.

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Speaker 20: For children.

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Speaker 10: I have to say, yeah, what.

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Speaker 3: Are you hearing from people?

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Speaker 2: Merri Well?

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Speaker 3: No, And I you know, that's why I was asking you,

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Speaker 3: because this is always the difficulty, and parents put themselves

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Speaker 3: in difficult situations out of the goodness of their hearts,

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Speaker 3: right because they're trying to do the right things by

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Speaker 3: the kids, and you just your heart breaks if you

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Speaker 3: can't even afford present for your kids. What are you hearing, Mary,

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Speaker 3: Are you hearing that people are finding it tough this year?

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Speaker 20: Yes, but you know, yeah, I think perhaps you know,

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01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 20: a bit tougher than last year for some. But you know,

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Speaker 20: on the other hand, it sounds like there might be

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Speaker 20: some signs that the economy is actually picking up. And

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01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 20: so look, I don't know whether food is certainly one

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01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 20: thing that keeps coming into the limelight is costing more,

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Speaker 20: doesn't it.

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Speaker 8: And and.

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Speaker 20: You know the amount of money that families spend on

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01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 20: food at Christmas, you've got to wonder about you know,

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Speaker 20: could they perhaps just all get together and say, look,

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Speaker 20: what's something lovely we can do that doesn't cost and

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Speaker 20: perhaps not a traditional thing, because the trouble is the

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Speaker 20: turkeys and the traditional food. The prices go up then

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Speaker 20: because the shops know they can put no, no, you.

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Speaker 3: Can't be doing I mean, we can't be doing Christmas turkeys.

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Speaker 3: Can we had summer for God's sake?

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Speaker 20: Yeah? Well that's quite right, yes, And so you know,

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Speaker 20: a family can come up with I don't know, you

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01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 20: know some lovely fish fish or I actually end up

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Speaker 20: doing vegetarian because I'm surrounded by vegetarians and that's fine

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Speaker 20: and very lovely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very bloody healthy and the end. Mary, thanks very

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01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 3: much appreciated. Mary Holme, personal finance journalists and author based

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01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 3: by the way, on whether the economy is at an

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01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 3: inflection point. Brendan from Milford Acid Managements with us and

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01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 3: just Attack. Apparently the company that owns blue Bridge is

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01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 3: up for sale, so the Australian newspapers, the Australians were impressive.

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01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 3: The Australian breaks a lot of yarns about what's going

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01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 3: on with our business community here in New Zealand. And

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01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 3: it is reporting that Morgan Stanley Infrastructure, which owns the

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01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 3: parent company of Bluebridge, is hoping to sell it. They

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01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 3: bought it in January three years ago, so January twenty

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Speaker 3: two for a reported five hundred million dollars and apparently

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01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 3: they're hoping to sell it for a billion dollars, which

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01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 3: is that's not bad jeez. I mean, I tell you

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01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: what Labour wants to to get his hands on some

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01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 3: of those capital gains right there. I would definitely line

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01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 3: their coffers hither if Coldplay and Lenny Kravitz are the

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01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 3: best gigs you've ever been to, I've got advice that

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01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 3: would transform your music taste. Oh gosh, what impression have

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01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 3: I left you with? I am not a Lenny Kravitz fan,

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01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 3: nor am I a cold Play fan. I was hoping

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01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 3: I would conveyed that earlier. I don't actually like like

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01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 3: I don't particularly like Coldplay or Lenny Kravitz. They put

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01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 3: on the best gags. I mean, this is what I'm

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01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 3: trying to say to you. It's not actually so much

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01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 3: about the music. It's just about how much of these

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01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 3: dudes are enjoying the music on the stage, going part

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01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 3: of part of the concert club is going to things

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Speaker 3: we wouldn't normally go to, which is exactly how I

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01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 3: find myself going to Metallica tonight. So who knows, maybe

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01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 3: I'll come back to you and I'll be like Metallica

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 3: best gag I've ever been to. Somehow, though I don't

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Speaker 3: feel that's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Six fourteen, It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full

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01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: Show podcast on my Heart Radio, empowered by News Talks EDB.

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01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results It's Heather Duplessy

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01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,799
Speaker 1: Allen on the Business Hour with MAS Motor Vehicle Insurance.

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01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands? Us talks EDB.

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01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,560
Speaker 3: Hither the best and cheapest Christmas is going for a

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01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 3: basic picnic. Our family have done this for thirty years.

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01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 3: We just make sandwiches, which is a fantastic idea from Susie.

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Speaker 3: It's seventeen past six, right, Brendan Larseners with MILFD Acid Management.

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Speaker 3: Hi Brendon Good evening, Brenda, listen. Just tell us how

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Speaker 3: you think the economy has been unfolding of late?

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01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 4: Yes, sure, so, I guess clearly. Up until the October

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01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 4: iarviian Zen meeting, the flow of data really was quite poor.

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01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 4: So GDP posted a very week second quarter, and although

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01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 4: the detail around private consumption perhaps wasn't as bad as feared,

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01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 4: the report overall did spook the ibn Z. The week

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01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 4: GDP also came alongside a further slowing in the labor market,

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01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 4: which meant that there was more spec capacity in the

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01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 4: economy than the ibn Z had expected. Alongside this, we've

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01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,480
Speaker 4: also seen a trend in mortgage holders keeping their refixing

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01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 4: very short between six months in one year and so

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01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 4: That means that the easing that the AVNZ has done

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01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,879
Speaker 4: to date hasn't really been flowing through via the mortgage

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01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 4: channel like it usually does, given those shorter rates are

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 4: often much higher than the two and three year rates

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01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 4: where people usually fix. And so this spare capacity in

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01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 4: the economy, as well as a desire to keep wholesale

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01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 4: and therefore mortgage rates lower to get the intended easing

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01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,799
Speaker 4: and debt costs, was really the reason the IBNZ delivered

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Speaker 4: that fifty base point rate cut in October.

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 3: Okay, so I mean, obviously some weak conditions, but the

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01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 3: Reserve Bank has a single inflation Mandate's what's the latest there.

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01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, it's a good point, and I think it

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01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 4: really comes back to the spare capacity argument I made

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01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 4: just a moment ago. So consumer prices rose three percent

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01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 4: in the third quarter, and so that's the top of

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01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 4: the ibnz's one to three percent banned and an acceleration

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01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 4: on the second quarter. So at face value, people may

1609
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 4: wonder how a central bank focus solely on inflation could

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01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 4: justify cutting by fifty bases points, And as I say,

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01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 4: really it comes down to their view that there is

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01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 4: a lot of spare capacity and that should put downward

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01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 4: pressure on inflation over the medium term. Within that Q

1614
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 4: three CPR report, we also can see that a lot

1615
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 4: of the upside came from food and more volatile items,

1616
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 4: whereas cyclical categories like housing were actually weaker, and so

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01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 4: that does show that domestic conditions are still really tough.

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01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 3: Okay, So since we had that fifty basis point cut

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01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 3: in October, have we seen any notable changes in the economy?

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01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 4: Look, I think there are tentative signs of improvement, but

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01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 4: we want to see more conclusive data before we're really

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01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 4: shouting from the rooftops. We need to remember that we've

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01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 4: had three hundred basis points of rate cuts for the

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01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 4: high chance of another twenty five basis points next week,

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01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 4: and so that is a substantial amount of easing that

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01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 4: should start showing up more clearly. So, as I mentioned earlier,

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01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 4: one of the reasons we think that the reaction in

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01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 4: the economy to rate cuts this time is slower is

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01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 4: due to almost all of the mortgage that we're rolling

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01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 4: over this year being refixed at very short tenors, and

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01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 4: so once people start turning up their debt, there is

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01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 4: still easy to flow through on the data front to

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01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 4: your point. I think since October we have seen a

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01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 4: few things that show some signs of improvement. One of

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01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 4: them is the manufacturing PMI showing four of five categories

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01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 4: and expansion during the month, led by new orders, which

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01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 4: is a really positive signal for future growth. We've also

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01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 4: had the Services index show a second consecutive month of improvement,

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01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 4: and so that remains in contraction, but directionally that's better.

1640
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 4: We've also had two months of improving job add data,

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01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 4: and the housing market is finally showing some signs of life,

1642
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 4: with sales up fifteen percent in October and prices up

1643
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 4: one point seven percent over the last three months, and

1644
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 4: so we're optimistic that the bottom is in.

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01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 3: Oh, how good, Brendan. I'm so pleased with that news.

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01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 3: Thank you, Brendan. Last and no Fit Asset Management twenty

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Speaker 3: past six. Yeah, okay, so listen. The Guardian has done

1648
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 3: a piece on Nigel Ffrage. This is it's very long, like,

1649
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 3: it's a really big piece. This is the headline, deeply shocking.

1650
01:16:55,240 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 3: Nigel Farrage bases fresh claims of racism and anti semitism school.

1651
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 3: So I spent the read it over the course this morning.

1652
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 3: I thought, okay, what have we got here and look,

1653
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 3: I am should they have run this story. It's a

1654
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 3: story about what he did when he was thirteen years old. Now,

1655
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 3: their argument, this is a Guardians argument for why they're

1656
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 3: running the story, is this man could potentially be on

1657
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 3: current polling, the next Prime Minister of Britain, which is

1658
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 3: a fair point to make. But he was still thirteen

1659
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 3: years old. Now, some of the allegations are not that

1660
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 3: flash like. I mean, he's basically accused of being like

1661
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 3: weirdly into Nazi stuff, right, So he was singing a

1662
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 3: whole bunch of Nazi like songs, talking consistently about gassing people.

1663
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 3: He'd go up to kids, this one particular kid, and

1664
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 3: he'd whisper in his ear. Hitler was right, and he

1665
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 3: was like a huge fan of Oswald Moseley, who's, of course,

1666
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 3: you know, the famous fascist and Nazi mate over in

1667
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 3: UK politics at around the time of the Second World War.

1668
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 2: But I.

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01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 3: Can't get past the fact that he was thirteen years old.

1670
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 3: What is the man now, Like he must be knocking

1671
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 3: on the door of sixty five or seventy I guess

1672
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 3: a long long time ago. And I would hate that

1673
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 3: any of us would be judged by what we did

1674
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 3: when we were thirteen years old. Anyway, we'll have a

1675
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 3: chat Togo. I don't know if Gavin Gray has managed

1676
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 3: to read it, because as I say, it's a very

1677
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 3: long piece, But if he has, we'll have a chat

1678
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 3: to him about it when he's with us in about

1679
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 3: twenty minutes right now, six twenty two.

1680
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all

1681
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Dupercila and Mass Motor

1682
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:28,919
Speaker 1: Vehicle Insurance.

1683
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 2: Your future is in good hands News talks.

1684
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 3: That'd be Heather. There is more than one hundred peda

1685
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 3: jewels of gas missing from the New Zealand economy and

1686
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 3: big industrial users are on demand management electricity contracts. This

1687
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 3: is an economy with resource scarcity where productions constrained. The

1688
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 3: rate cuts won't fix this. I do not see a

1689
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 3: recovery in the scenario. Look, lord, it's pretty grim, I

1690
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 3: think looking at what's going on at the moment, I'm

1691
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 3: not feeling I wouldn't feel confident enough to say, yeah,

1692
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 3: it's all it's all guns blazing from here. Does anybody

1693
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 3: feel like that? I don't think anybody does. Nobody feels

1694
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 3: like we're turbo charging into next year, do we It's

1695
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 3: sort of like we'll take what we can get and

1696
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 3: we'll make the most of it if we possibly can. Also,

1697
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 3: speaking of taking what we can get, Tory Farno has

1698
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 3: announced that she's moving to Melbourne. She confirmed it in

1699
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 3: a private Facebook event. She hasn't said if she's got

1700
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 3: a job to go to, but that is her done.

1701
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,560
Speaker 3: After she missed out on the electric seat what do

1702
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 3: they call it, the Mary Ward seat on Wellington City Council,

1703
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 3: She's decided she's done with it. Pullpin off, she goes

1704
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 3: joins the Brain Drain six twenty six.

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01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

1706
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 3: So one of the year's biggest celebrity deaths, of course,

1707
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 3: as we know, was Ozzie Osbourne and his son Jack

1708
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:44,839
Speaker 3: is now opening up about his passing.

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01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 8: Now.

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01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 3: Jack is currently on but I'm a Celebrity, Get Me

1711
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 3: out of Here, which is a show over in the

1712
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 3: UK at the moment. We're not the only ones, as

1713
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 3: you can tell, who have questionable celebrity shows. He told

1714
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 3: his fellow castaways on the show that while they knew

1715
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 3: that Ozzie was sick, his death actually came really suddenly.

1716
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 3: He said it was the ultimate mic drop. This is

1717
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 3: Jack said, it was the ultimate mic drop. He did

1718
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 3: a massive, big gig and was like, all right, I'm done.

1719
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 3: But fans are getting a lot of insight into different

1720
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 3: parts of Jack's life in a crazy family. He's also

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01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 3: talked about filming the Osbournes when he was just seventeen

1722
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 3: years old. You'll remember he had a massive afro and

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01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 3: he had glasses.

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Speaker 8: They were only supposed to film us for three weeks

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Speaker 8: to do a pilot, and then they just end up

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01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 8: staying for like four years.

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01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an amazing show. It kind of led

1728
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 2: the way for everybody else, for better or worse.

1729
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 3: Now, it doesn't sound like Jack is a fan of

1730
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 3: reality TV and he reckons Ozzie wasn't a fan of

1731
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 3: reality TV either, which is kind of ironic because they

1732
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 3: made reality TV and Jack is on another reality TV show.

1733
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 3: But look, who am I to question people's choices? Jack said,

1734
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 3: if Ozzie was still alive, he'd have stopped him from

1735
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 3: going on. But I'm a celebrity. I think most parents

1736
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 3: would stop their children from doing But I'm a celebrity,

1737
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 3: wouldn't we right? Jane TIBs Trainy Janey has got the

1738
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 3: inside scoop and what's goop? You remember the old e

1739
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 3: qc Levy. It's now got a different name. It's like

1740
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 3: a NAS Natural Hazards thing or whatever. Who cares anyway,

1741
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,839
Speaker 3: that is due to go up and push your insurance

1742
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 3: up again, but not until after the election, of course,

1743
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 3: So she'll talk us through shortly Use Talks.

1744
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: NB everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour,

1745
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: we had the duper c Allen and Mass.

1746
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 2: Motor vehicle insurance.

1747
01:21:39,000 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands, Used Talks Nbrigaded.

1748
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 3: Gray is going to be with us in ten minutes time.

1749
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 3: This is not a joke what I'm about to tell you.

1750
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 3: You can actually apply for TV and z's breakfast job

1751
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 3: if you want to. This is the job that Jenny

1752
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 3: May is vacating. It's up on Seek. Is it up

1753
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 3: on Seek or is it just on TVNZ's website. It did,

1754
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's definitely on It's definitely on TVNZ's website,

1755
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 3: So go an ad it. If you think if you

1756
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 3: look at yourself on them, if you often look at

1757
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 3: yourself on them right and think cheesy, beautiful, you should

1758
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 3: be on tally with a face like that, and then

1759
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 3: you turn on TV and Z Breakfast and you get

1760
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 3: could do a better job than this. Now's your chance,

1761
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 3: and it's not bad money. By the way, the salary

1762
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 3: is between two hundred and fifty thousand and three hundred

1763
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand. Yeah, two hundred and fifty to three

1764
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand dollars you could pay. You can

1765
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 3: pay your grocery bills with that kind of money.

1766
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 8: Go for it.

1767
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 3: And then when you actually get the job once again,

1768
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 3: you know the deal on this show. If you get

1769
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 3: if you save money or make money because of tips,

1770
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 3: I'm giving you ten percent commission fee twenty four away

1771
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: from seven Heather Do for sea hour, just in case

1772
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 3: you needed to remember who you're going to pay that

1773
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 3: ten percent to the government's delaying a hike, as I

1774
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 3: was telling you earlier, to its insurance levy. The hikes

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01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 3: supposed to go up by about two to three hundred

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01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 3: dollars from mid next year. Nichola Willis has just announced

1777
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 3: she's going to delay the rise by a year, so

1778
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 3: it kicking after the election water surprise. Jenative Trainee is

1779
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 3: The Herald's Wellington business editor and with us Hi Jena Hi.

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Speaker 3: Why the delay.

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Speaker 26: Well, Nikola Willis told me that she's aware that, you know,

1782
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 26: insurance premiums have been rising a lot in recent years.

1783
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 26: They've really put households under pressure, and you know, she

1784
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 26: doesn't want to add to that cost. She's also mindful that,

1785
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 26: you know, if insurance premiums go up by too much,

1786
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 26: then some households might water down their cover or get

1787
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 26: rid of their insurance altogether, which then would cause an

1788
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 26: even bigger problem for you know, New Zealand, for the

1789
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 26: resilience of households. So look, I think that this issue

1790
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 26: is pretty interesting. I became aware of it because the

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01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 26: Treasury reached out to insurance companies to let them know

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01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,679
Speaker 26: that nothing would be done before mid twenty twenty seven.

1793
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 26: So I don't know if the government was ever going

1794
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 26: to announce this, but it has just quietly pushed the

1795
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:12,759
Speaker 26: can down the road. The issue is that the Natural

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01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 26: Hazards Commission does not have enough money to cover the

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01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 26: costs of a big disaster. So you know, the Treasury

1798
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 26: reckons these levies really do need to go up. But

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01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 26: of course no government minister, particularly this government, wants to

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Speaker 26: hike taxes effectively. As we're being political about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so at the moment it has about six hundred

1802
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 3: million and it's kitty, right, What should it actually have

1803
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 3: in order to cover a big event?

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01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 26: Yeah, so the reinsurance that the Commission has that only

1805
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 26: kicks in if the costs exceed two point two billion dollars.

1806
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 26: So anything below two point two for a certain event

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01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 26: needs to be covered by the Commission. But the Commission

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01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 26: only has six hundred million and it's kitty. So that

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01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 26: means if there is a big disaster, the Crown could

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01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 26: have to pay up to one point six billion dollars.

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01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 26: So the thing here is that effectively someone always has

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01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 26: to pay. The model we have, the idea is that

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01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 26: it's sort of doesn't expose the Crown's balance sheet too much.

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01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 26: You know, it keeps the cost contained. You're a homeowner,

1815
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 26: you pay the levees, you know, the levees attacked onto

1816
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 26: your private insurance premiums, You pay levies, and then when

1817
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 26: you need to pay out you tap into this. But

1818
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 26: you know, if more of the cost falls on the Crown,

1819
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 26: then that means the Crown needs to borrow more and

1820
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 26: the cost of that, you know, of covering homeowners is

1821
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 26: covered by all of us people who don't own homes

1822
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 26: as well, and the cost gets pushed out into the future,

1823
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 26: you know, the future generations who then take on that debt.

1824
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 3: So in the point that you've just made is that

1825
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 3: at two point two billion, that's when the if the

1826
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 3: cost exceeds that, that's when the reinsurance came. And because

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01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 3: it hasn't got enough money and it's ketty, we were

1828
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 3: not going to miss out on this, right, the government

1829
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 3: can top it up to two point two and then

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01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 3: we get the reinsurance.

1831
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 26: Yes, the government can top it up. So it's just

1832
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 26: you know, it's just a matter of who pays. Do

1833
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 26: we all pay or do just homeowners pay?

1834
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant Jinnay, thanks very much for I really appreciate

1835
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 3: you explaining. That's Jen natchip Training, The Herald's Wellington Business editor. Heither,

1836
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 3: a friend of mine has just put her late model

1837
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 3: vehicle on third party as the main insurance was now

1838
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 3: too expensive. That's from Dave and Christchich. I'll tell you

1839
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 3: what I was talking to the German about this today,

1840
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 3: and in fact, I was recounting a conversation I had

1841
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 3: with the husband last night because I was watching the

1842
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 3: news and It might have been last night, night before.

1843
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 3: I can't remember. Days have become a blur when you're

1844
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 3: not at work, and it was it was Apropos Luxe

1845
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 3: and standing. It might have been Monday, because I feel

1846
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 3: like he was at the podium and he was sort

1847
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 3: of saying, oh, you know the polls. It was purpoing

1848
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 3: that IPSOS monitor pole that shows that labor is now

1849
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 3: in the lead, you know, in terms of handling the

1850
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 3: economy and stuff like that. And what he said was, oh, look,

1851
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 3: we know it's really hard for people out there. But

1852
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 3: he had a look on his face that didn't say

1853
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 3: that he knew how hard it was for people out there.

1854
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 3: And the point that I was making to the husband

1855
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 3: and the have of course now recounted to the German,

1856
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 3: is that I think I'm on a reasonably good income, right,

1857
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 3: but I look at how much things are costing me,

1858
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 3: and I feel like I can't get a hit. I

1859
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 3: look at the rates, like how much are your Look

1860
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 3: at your rates, it's out the gate, how much we're

1861
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 3: paying in rates. Then you look at your insurance and

1862
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 3: you're like, what the hell that's Nutso then you look

1863
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 3: at the grocery bill just to feed the kids, right

1864
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 3: and the family that's out the gate, Like I don't

1865
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 3: know that I can do a grocery shop under three

1866
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 3: hundred dollars at the moment, you know, Like Lord, if

1867
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 3: you can, all power to you, then you look at

1868
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,560
Speaker 3: the power builts and that's nuts as well. And I

1869
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 3: think I'll tell you what I reckon lux in A

1870
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 3: national's problem on this particular issue right on the cost

1871
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 3: of living thing is they say that they know it's

1872
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 3: hard out there, but they don't look like they know

1873
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 3: it's hard out there. It is flipping hard out there

1874
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,799
Speaker 3: for people at the moment it has and the longer

1875
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 3: it goes on, even though the green shoots are there,

1876
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 3: the longer it goes on, the more wearying it is.

1877
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 3: And the less that you know, those kinds just paying

1878
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 3: lip service to it, the less it counts. So they

1879
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 3: better get up to speed very quickly with the fact

1880
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 3: that they're in berg trouble on that. And that's not

1881
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 3: imaginary polling people are feeling that because actually, when I

1882
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,639
Speaker 3: saw Luckson's face say those words, I have to be honest,

1883
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:22,560
Speaker 3: I got a little bit angry, and I got a

1884
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 3: bit angry about the news the other night. What I

1885
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 3: need to tell you about though, just to switch subject altogether,

1886
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 3: because I know the social media thing is happening at

1887
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 3: the moment as well. Is have you seen the latest

1888
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 3: with the gaming platform Roadblocks? Now, Roadblocks is the thing

1889
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 3: that the kids use, right, and so kids are on

1890
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 3: at very very young age. Roadblocks has now announced that

1891
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 3: they're going to be doing age verification. So what they

1892
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 3: need if you're going to sign on to Roadblocks, you've

1893
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 3: got to take your picture of yourself, do a selfie.

1894
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 3: Then they're going to use facial recognition software to kind

1895
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 3: of work out roughly how old you are, and they're

1896
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 3: going to put you in brackets, right, so are you twelve,

1897
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 3: are you nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, whatever,

1898
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 3: and then you know, eighteen twenty one up whatever, And

1899
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,560
Speaker 3: then based on what they calculate your age to be.

1900
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 3: And apparently it's very it's pretty accurate with kids anybody

1901
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 3: under like it was the age of twenty. It's really

1902
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 3: easy for them to actually figure out roughly how old

1903
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 3: you are. So then they're going to group you into groupings, right,

1904
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 3: so a grouping is like nine to twelve year olds

1905
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,600
Speaker 3: thirteen to fifteen year olds. I think it's fifteen to

1906
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 3: sixteen year olds, seventeen to eighteen year olds, and then

1907
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 3: nineteen to twenty and then twenty one plus. And in

1908
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,560
Speaker 3: those groupings you can talk to each other, but you

1909
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 3: cannot talk to somebody older or younger than that grouping.

1910
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:34,560
Speaker 3: And the aim here, obviously is to stop adults on

1911
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 3: the platform preying on kids so being unable to chat

1912
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 3: to them. They're going to roll this out in Australia

1913
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 3: and New Zealand and the Netherlands next month, and then

1914
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 3: other countries are going to get it from January. The

1915
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 3: reason I'm telling you this is because, like I've said

1916
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 3: to you a thousand times before, when the internet guys

1917
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 3: tell you, the social media guys tell you they cannot

1918
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 3: possibly guess how old you are or verify your age BS,

1919
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 3: they can. These guys are doing it. Reddit is doing it,

1920
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 3: increasing porn sites are starting to do it. I'm telling

1921
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 3: you now, it's just going to This is how this

1922
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 3: is going to be, finally, how the Internet actually is.

1923
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 3: Won't be a days too soon, will it? Sixteen away

1924
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 3: from seven?

1925
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 2: Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.

1926
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: The Business hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mass Motor

1927
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 1: Vehicle Insurance. Your futures in good hands, used talks'd be.

1928
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 3: Hey, get a load of this. You know the song

1929
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 3: Baby Shark, Well you know that I'm no sorry, and

1930
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:29,719
Speaker 3: now it's going to be stuck in your head unless

1931
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 3: you're going to Metallica, so you can get Metallica stuck

1932
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 3: in your head. This is now stuck in your head

1933
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,640
Speaker 3: for the rest of the night. The guys who made it, Pingfong,

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Speaker 3: they have just listed on the South Korean stock market.

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Speaker 3: Cheers have gone up nine percent on debut valuation of

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Speaker 3: more than four hundred million US dollars. How good is it?

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Speaker 3: Just off the back of one song basically thirteen away

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Speaker 3: from seven. Gavin Gray Uka correspondents with us Alo. Gavin,

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Speaker 3: Hi the Heaven. Have you read this Guardian piece about

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Speaker 3: Nigel Farage.

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Speaker 2: I have, yes.

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Speaker 5: It's a very interesting about Nigel Farage, who of course

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Speaker 5: is helped secure Brexit back in twenty sixteen and leads

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Speaker 5: the Reform Party, which is led I think more than

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Speaker 5: the last one hundred opinion polls in this country, a

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Speaker 5: real upstart political party. It's a piece about nigral Farage's

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Speaker 5: time at school. Now, you might think, being some fifty

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Speaker 5: years ago, that this would all long be forgotten. But

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Speaker 5: of course, if he is going to be our next

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Speaker 5: prime minister, and there are plenty of people who think

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Speaker 5: he will be, such as the sheer disdain for the

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Speaker 5: two main political parties at the moment, that people are

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Speaker 5: going to dig up his history and have a look

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Speaker 5: at his time. And he went to Dullage College, which

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Speaker 5: is a private school, very exclusive school in the south

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Speaker 5: of London. And the Guardian newspaper here, the left wing paper,

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Speaker 5: has spoken to plenty of his former schoolboy colleagues and

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Speaker 5: some of them are not painting a particularly nice image,

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Speaker 5: claiming that he was a contrarian, that's a polite one.

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Speaker 5: Others are saying he sang right wing and anti Semitic songs,

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Speaker 5: that he was always a bit of an upstart, a

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Speaker 5: bit of a trouble maker and was continually sort of

1963
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Speaker 5: picking on boys who weren't white British as it were.

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Speaker 5: Now those are the allegations. He has come back with

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Speaker 5: various legal letters to the Guardian. The party Reform UK

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Speaker 5: is saying that it's no coincidence this newspaper is seeking

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Speaker 5: to discredit Reform UK that's led one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 5: consecutive opinion polls, and we fully expect these cynical attempts

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Speaker 5: to smear reform and mislead the public to intensify further

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Speaker 5: as we move closer to the next election. And I

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Speaker 5: have to say there will be some who would say

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Speaker 5: this was fifty years ago. Is this the best they

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Speaker 5: could do?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the question I had when I read it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, fear enough the guy is going to be

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Speaker 3: the prime minister. And maybe, and obviously when you have

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Speaker 3: a prime minister, you're interested in their history, but is

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Speaker 3: it relevant what he did when he was thirteen years old.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: What they're trying to do is to paint a consistent

1981
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Speaker 5: image of him being far right, and some of those

1982
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Speaker 5: interviews with some of the pupils sort of suggests that

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Speaker 5: still the case, or sorry, that that was the case,

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Speaker 5: But others say, you, well, we can't. I can't remember

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Speaker 5: him using those words, or I can't remember him singing

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Speaker 5: that song. And you know we are talking all that

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Speaker 5: time ago, and one person referring to a song that

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Speaker 5: was sung on a coach trip, well, I can't remember

1989
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Speaker 5: fifty years ago what was sung on a coach trip.

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Speaker 5: So I look, I think there is an element here

1991
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Speaker 5: of the left wing Guardian paper. Like many people in

1992
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Speaker 5: this country uncomfortable with the prospect of Nigel Farage as

1993
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Speaker 5: the potential leader, others are very comfortable with that and

1994
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Speaker 5: see him as a route out of the mess this

1995
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Speaker 5: country is in. But it does seem extraordinarly that there's

1996
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Speaker 5: this huge gap then between his school days when he

1997
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Speaker 5: left when he was eighteen, right through until present day.

1998
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Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm not sure how consistently impactful this will be,

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Speaker 5: particularly as it's come into the guard and that's a

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Speaker 5: paper that's well known for not liking right wing politics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fair point that you make. Listen, So

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Speaker 3: when does it become a legal to sell tickets for

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Speaker 3: a profit?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, since really this government is now really trying to

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Speaker 5: push on the fact that if you buy a ticket

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Speaker 5: for a concert, you can't then resell it for more

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Speaker 5: than the face value. And now there are some very

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Speaker 5: successful and popular sites that already do that. Resale sites

2009
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Speaker 5: like via go go and stub hub are basically saying

2010
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Speaker 5: that this price cap, limiting the price of any resale

2011
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Speaker 5: to that face value is going to push customers towards

2012
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Speaker 5: unregulated sites and also people selling things on social media,

2013
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Speaker 5: and that of course will put them at risk of

2014
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Speaker 5: increased the risk of buying fraudulent tickets or fake tickets,

2015
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Speaker 5: and that has been a real thing that the ministers

2016
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Speaker 5: have been looking at and don't really seem to have

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Speaker 5: issued an answer for that. They are looking at basically

2018
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Speaker 5: sorting this out and the consultation on the change as

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Speaker 5: canvas views on capping tickets at face value or anything

2020
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Speaker 5: up to thirty percent above the face value of a ticket,

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Speaker 5: because we have seen Oasis tickets, for instance, be sold

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Speaker 5: for huge sums of money and then resold for even

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Speaker 5: higher sums of money. So restricting ticket touts was one

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Speaker 5: of this government's election pledges fans complaining of massively inflated

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Speaker 5: prices for resold tickets, and this is an attempt to

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Speaker 5: do something about it. If they're announcing the plan in

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Speaker 5: just a few hours time.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant stuff. Thank you so much, Gevin, appreciate it. Gavin Gray,

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Speaker 3: UK correspondent. Hither remember this. Gen Z waste over twenty

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Speaker 3: percent of their food, gen X waste fifteen percent, Boomers

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Speaker 3: waste around ten percent. Rural women waste only three percent,

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Speaker 3: not being wasteful as a classic way to save money. Peter,

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Speaker 3: you make a good point. What's the saying take care

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Speaker 3: of the pennies and the pounds will take care of themselves. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: ead away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Heather Regarding roadblocks with facial recognition to verify your age,

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Speaker 3: there will be other problems. For example, if I am

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Speaker 3: a thirteen year old kid who has this photo taken

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Speaker 3: and then used to guide him through puberty and away

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Speaker 3: from predators, his face will now be continuously monitored with

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Speaker 3: the facial recognition wherever he goes. Is that what we

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Speaker 3: want for the future of our kids? Look, I think

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Speaker 3: that's a fair point.

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Speaker 10: Right, but.

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Speaker 3: And well, yeah, it is difficult, isn't it. But then

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Speaker 3: I would say to that, isn't that what we're doing anyway?

2049
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Speaker 3: Like you have a Facebook page, you're doing that already,

2050
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Speaker 3: aren't you as an adult? So it's just a question

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Speaker 3: which like you're handing, you're handing over your kid's face

2052
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Speaker 3: at a much younger age, and are you comfortable with

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Speaker 3: that decision? You have to make? Fur Away from seven. Listen,

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Speaker 3: I love this. I love this. Have you been following

2055
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Speaker 3: this story about the custody battle over the dog. This

2056
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 3: thing has been going on for three years. It's over

2057
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Speaker 3: somewhere in the states, Delaware or something like that, and

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Speaker 3: the couple broke up in twenty twenty two and they've

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Speaker 3: been fighting about the stupid little golden doodle that they had,

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Speaker 3: and they can't decide who gets to keep the dog.

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Speaker 3: So finally it's got to the situation now where a

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Speaker 3: judges had to make a decision about it. And what

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Speaker 3: the judge what the judge is very very clever. What

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Speaker 3: the judge's done. Judges said they have to have a

2065
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Speaker 3: private auction and so they have to each bid against

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Speaker 3: each other for who would pay the most money to

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Speaker 3: take care of the dog, basically buy the dog off

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Speaker 3: the other person. Whoever wins it gets to keep the dog,

2069
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Speaker 3: and whoever loses it gets to keep the money. And

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Speaker 3: you just not like this is how you're going to

2071
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Speaker 3: figure out who actually loves the dog the most. Because

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01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 3: I'm not going to lie to you. My strategy would

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Speaker 3: be I would bid to a point where I feel

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Speaker 3: like I would be kind of taking him to the

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Speaker 3: absolute highest level that he would pay, and then I

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Speaker 3: would stop bidding just so I could take as much

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Speaker 3: money as possible. Ants money or the.

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Speaker 21: Dog, well, I mean I'd be checking a bit in

2079
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Speaker 21: of five dollars and then just taking whatever they said

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Speaker 21: in response. But I think the risk their Heather, is

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Speaker 21: that you'll think that you can push them a little

2082
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 21: bit further than you can and then so this is

2083
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 21: the problem. Yeah, they'll be like okay, and then you're

2084
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Speaker 21: suddenly stuck with repaying a lot more of a dog

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Speaker 21: than you want to. The Frayed Ends of Sanity by

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Speaker 21: Metallica to play us out tonight. If you are on

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Speaker 21: your way to in Park in Auckland to see that,

2088
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 21: you need to get a move on, even if it's

2089
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:13,600
Speaker 21: a probably on stage. But if they're not now, they

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Speaker 21: will be soon. We're expecting Metallica by about eight and

2091
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Speaker 21: then after that, as we heard before, full time will

2092
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 21: be open. You can pop there or any of the

2093
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 21: barslon Kingsland and there's an unofficial after party at ding

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Speaker 21: Dong Lounge in Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Have fun everyone, good tips. What's the song called again, The.

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Speaker 21: Frayed Ends of Sanity? You enjoy yourself Heather, just.

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Speaker 3: Like, why are you writing songs about mental health when

2098
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 3: there's just a beautiful world out there. We could write

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01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 3: songs about love and stuff.

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Speaker 21: Nothing else matters.

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Speaker 3: Hither Lord, wish me luck. I'll see you tomorrow, unless,

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Speaker 3: of course I sing, and then I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 12: By now.

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