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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from news Talks that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Clinical psychologists, Doogle Sutherln from Umbrella Well Being as well.

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Speaker 3: I say, Google, hey, Jack, how's it going. I must

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Speaker 3: say I'm a little bit concerned about your screen habits

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Speaker 3: and about how many screams you're going to be watching

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Speaker 3: to life and them the damage that might be doing

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Speaker 3: to your attention.

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Speaker 2: I know this is the problem because there are only

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Speaker 2: I was debating this with Darcy Waldergrave this morning. There

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Speaker 2: are some sports that I feel you can you can

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Speaker 2: watch simultaneously, in some that you can't. And the men's

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Speaker 2: marathon is a good example of a sport that you

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Speaker 2: can I think, have on while watching other things at

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Speaker 2: the same time. So you can have the rugby on

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Speaker 2: one screen and then you can have the marathon on

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Speaker 2: another screen. And I reckon that's the that's the way

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Speaker 2: to go. But there are other there are other sports

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Speaker 2: that don't end themselves quite so well to watching at

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Speaker 2: the same time. Like if you're trying to watch the

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Speaker 2: one hundred meters relay and watch the rugby at the

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Speaker 2: same time, that's that's going to be tricking, you know, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing fast is going to happen in the marathon.

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Speaker 3: Really no, No, in about ten minutes, somebody might overtake

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Speaker 3: somebody else.

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Speaker 2: So we'll have a lot, Yeah, exactly for the last

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Speaker 2: you know, the last k. Maybe you focus on the marathon,

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Speaker 2: you know, and you give place attention to it or something. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: it's only for this weekend. I promised Google, you know,

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Speaker 2: but this time next week I'm going to be right

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Speaker 2: back to just just normal screen kind of normal screen time. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: this morning, we want to talk about older employees because

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Speaker 2: you've got a fascinating bit of research looking at some

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Speaker 2: of the benefits of having slightly older employees and the

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Speaker 2: works we talk about, you know, some of the generational

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Speaker 2: differences in workplaces these days, and the different things that

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Speaker 2: people from different generations typically bring. And often we think

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Speaker 2: of young employees as being digital natives, so having really

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Speaker 2: developed digital skills that perhaps older employees don't necessarily automatically have.

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Speaker 2: But actually there are some real benefits. Eh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's when you talk about sort of people.

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Speaker 3: When we say older, let's be clear, we're talking about,

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Speaker 3: you know, people in the over forty five bracket, So

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Speaker 3: anyone to get hardly ancient nothing, but yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: it often conjures up sort of images of people kind

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Speaker 3: of staring at the screen, you know, over the top

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Speaker 3: of their glasses and stabbing at it with their finger

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Speaker 3: and not really knowing how this thing works, while younger

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Speaker 3: people are kind of, you know, their hands are flying

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Speaker 3: and they've got several different screens on at once. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: this new reset showed that actually, people over the age

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Speaker 3: of forty five tended to be much more effective in

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Speaker 3: using technology at home and about setting really good limits

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Speaker 3: and boundaries around working from home, which which was better

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Speaker 3: for their overall well being and productivity. So it was

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Speaker 3: it was like, oh man, maybe maybe people that are

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Speaker 3: over forty five can do things.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's interesting, So what are the what are the

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Speaker 2: benefits of actually setting those boundaries?

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Speaker 3: Look, well, what this research showed was firstly that you

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Speaker 3: had fewer unfinished tasks, so actually they got more things completed,

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Speaker 3: which is and you know what that's like. If you

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Speaker 3: don't finish a task, it sort of hangs over you

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Speaker 3: like a like a sort of a small sort of

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Speaker 3: dagger waiting to force I've just got to finish that.

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Speaker 3: So fewer of those they had a better work life balance,

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Speaker 3: so they you know, reported saying, yeah, I think my

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Speaker 3: life there's actually you know, I can do I can

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Speaker 3: do my work, but I can I can do my recreation,

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Speaker 3: do my play, do whatever I want to do. And

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Speaker 3: they were more productive as well, which and from a

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Speaker 3: business perspective, that's always you know, that's always important. There's

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Speaker 3: always those concerns I think still lingering around that. Oh

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Speaker 3: maybe when people are at home, maybe they're others productive,

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Speaker 3: maybe they're just sitting around watching TV. Certainly, this study

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Speaker 3: showed that actually there's people over forty five were more

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Speaker 3: productive than younger Cohort.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is just that's really interesting. Do you think

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Speaker 2: there's like an attitude thing or do you think that

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Speaker 2: comes down to the to the work practices that they've introduced.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, look a bit of both. I mean you

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Speaker 3: touched on it earlier when you talked about digital natives

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Speaker 3: and digital mind and in some ways, I think if

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Speaker 3: you haven't grown up with technology, perhaps it's not quite

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Speaker 3: you were a digital native. So it's like, oh no,

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Speaker 3: you do make a distinction in your head between work

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Speaker 3: and I think that's probably helpful some of the research. Though.

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Speaker 3: Some of the things I really like, the practical things

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Speaker 3: out of this research was one of the things was

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Speaker 3: older people are better about having a routine for their

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Speaker 3: work and getting dressed for work. And it reminded me

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Speaker 3: of somebody I was talking to who'd been doing this

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Speaker 3: for a while and they said, look what they do

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Speaker 3: is they get up in the morning, they get dressed

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Speaker 3: for work, so you know, they get dressed as if

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Speaker 3: they're going into the office, and they have breakfast, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: They leave the front door, walk out the front door,

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Speaker 3: they walk down to the bus stop, they walk back

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Speaker 3: from the bus stop into the front door again and go, yes,

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Speaker 3: here I am at work. And then they do that

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Speaker 3: whole reverse at the end of the day though, o

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Speaker 3: from the door, they walk down to the bus stop,

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Speaker 3: and there's all the good things about you know, getting

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Speaker 3: out in the fresh air and environment, et cetera. They

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Speaker 3: come back and their home and then they get changed

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Speaker 3: out of their work clothes into their home clothes. Seems

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Speaker 3: sort of artist.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I totally I'm into this. I think this

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Speaker 2: is really significant.

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Speaker 3: Keep going, Yeah, It's a really nice little routine that

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Speaker 3: that just because I think one of the difficulties when

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Speaker 3: you're working from home is making that mental break, you know,

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Speaker 3: from work, and so doing some having that small routine

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Speaker 3: I think can be really helpful about giving your brain

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Speaker 3: the message we are no longer at work, we are

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Speaker 3: at home. Yeah. And the other thing that was useful

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Speaker 3: I thought too was the real when it's possible having

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Speaker 3: a workspace that you can kind of in your in

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Speaker 3: your home, that you can clearly mark out as for work,

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Speaker 3: and then when you've finished work, you put it. You

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Speaker 3: pack that away. You know, you put if you've got

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Speaker 3: laptop or whatever, you pack that away. If you've got

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Speaker 3: pen and paper or whatever you're doing, you physically pack

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Speaker 3: that away. And that space is no longer work. So

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Speaker 3: it mentally gets that reminder away from you, so you're

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Speaker 3: not reminded of work all the time. And there are

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Speaker 3: clever ways around us. I was talking to at a workshop.

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Speaker 3: I was talking to a teacher about this and they said, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: what I do is I try to put a limit

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Speaker 3: around my work. I take my laptop home for the weekend,

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Speaker 3: but I don't take my cord with me. My recharge acord,

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Speaker 3: so I know I've only got about three hours work

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Speaker 3: there because then the battery is going to run out.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was a really clever way of imposing

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Speaker 3: some limits and some boundaries around that working from home space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting, just being able to distinguish between those

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Speaker 2: kind of mindsets. A. Actually it's quite significant for you, well,

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Speaker 2: being liked to be able to say this is work time.

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Speaker 2: I'm focused on this. Yeah, I'm going to be as

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Speaker 2: productive as possible. And now this isn't work time and

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Speaker 2: turning into a binary thing because I'm the absolute opposite,

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Speaker 2: Like my work kind of just leads into my existence,

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Speaker 2: you know, And I'm not sure that's necessarily the best

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Speaker 2: for me or for my work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No. When we sometimes talk about segregationalists versus integrationalists, and

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Speaker 3: segregationalists to those people that can segregate work and home

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Speaker 3: and integrationalists are those that can sort of do a

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Speaker 3: bit then and there. And I think it's really important

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Speaker 3: to say that having some level of choice and control

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Speaker 3: over that is really important. Like I know for some

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Speaker 3: people they finish work at three o'clock, they pick up

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Speaker 3: the kids, and they cook dinner and do everything that

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Speaker 3: you need to do, and then they sit down again

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Speaker 3: about half past seven and do another hour or two

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Speaker 3: of work. Now, if they're in control of that, then

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Speaker 3: that's probably an even better thing, because they're able to say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I can stop now, I'm now at home, now, I'm

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Speaker 3: picking work back up again. So you don't have to

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Speaker 3: be completely black and white about it, but the ability

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Speaker 3: to separate it in your head and having your level

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Speaker 3: of control over that yourself is really key.

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Speaker 2: Hey, very good, Thank you so much. Doogle really appreciate

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Speaker 2: it as always. Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being.

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