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Speaker 2: Hello. Podcast one six seven Matt and Tyler Full Show

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Speaker 2: podcast for Wednesday, the twenty third of July twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Interesting old show got a bit heated with people that

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Speaker 2: are very angry at butter. I don't quite get it.

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Speaker 2: I don't quite get why people care so much about butter.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably buy one block every two weeks, but apparently

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Speaker 2: it's the end of the world if butter is a

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Speaker 2: bit more expensive. Also, some lovely tributes to Ozzy Osbourne.

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Speaker 2: What a great man. And then we took a real

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Speaker 2: philosophical slant at the end, looking into what is happiness

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Speaker 2: in this world? And yeah, some great, absolutely wonderful texts

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Speaker 2: and phone calls, So it was a very positive end

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Speaker 2: to the show.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 4: Talk said the.

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Speaker 3: Welcome into the show. Great to have your company on

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Speaker 3: this Wednesday after noon. Thank you very much for listening

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Speaker 3: as always, get a.

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Speaker 2: Matt, great to be here, Thanks so much for having

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Speaker 2: us where you are, where you are across the country.

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Speaker 2: Three hours carefully cobbled together for you coming.

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Speaker 3: Up absolutely now. I didn't want to rate the calls

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Speaker 3: over this one too much, but I was stuck in

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Speaker 3: that god awful traffic jam yesterday in Auckland. So how

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Speaker 3: many Aucklanders were stuck in that when they had to

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Speaker 3: shut down a part of the motorway because they found

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Speaker 3: a body and a potentially a bomb. Turned out it

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Speaker 3: wasn't a BOTBM so good news, but jeep.

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Speaker 2: But it was a body.

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Speaker 3: It was a body.

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Speaker 2: Not great news.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not great news. You're quite right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: But being stuck in that traffic jam and I started

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Speaker 3: to get worked up, and everyone around me is getting

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Speaker 3: worked up, and things are getting pretty hairy because people

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Speaker 3: are making stupid decisions. But then, and not to blow

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Speaker 3: smoke up, you who harm, Matt, But I was thinking

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Speaker 3: about that chapter in your book where you mentioned that

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Speaker 3: breathing technique by Andrew Huberman about and what do they

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Speaker 3: call it? It's something sort of so but I know

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Speaker 3: how to do it.

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Speaker 2: The physiological sigh yep.

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Speaker 3: So I did the old yeah, and then instantly at

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Speaker 3: bloody work, I just felt better that there's nothing I

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Speaker 3: can do about this situation, and I just wanted to

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Speaker 3: wind down the window and scream at everybody just breathe,

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Speaker 3: just breathe. It will be a right.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing how well it works, and it's obvious because

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Speaker 2: you know, your mum tells you that since you're a

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Speaker 2: little kid, that if you get stressed, just to have

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Speaker 2: a few breaths. But if you do a big, big

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Speaker 2: intake through your nose and then one more sniff and

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Speaker 2: then blow it out, so you pretty much blow out

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Speaker 2: longer than you're inhaled, and you do that three times

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Speaker 3: Absolute, that traffic jam.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely God. I just was reading the thing yesterday. I'll

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Speaker 2: a few years ago. It went viral and it was

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Speaker 2: this Australian woman who was dying of cancer. In twenty

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Speaker 2: four hours before she died, she wrote this little message

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Speaker 2: to people. And I'll share it later on the show

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Speaker 2: to it. You've probably seen it, but it's worth going

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Speaker 2: to again. I think the last name's Butler, but anyway,

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Speaker 2: another thing that I've just learned recently. Yes, so you

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're getting stressed and confused and you don't

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Speaker 2: So the physiological side back sniffing on your nose, then

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Speaker 2: a one more sniff and then do that three times

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Speaker 2: and if that's still not working, fang your eyeballs to

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Speaker 2: either side. But I swear to God, it will make

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Speaker 3: This is what we need in the modern life. Right

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Speaker 3: to today's show after three o'clock, Scottie Scheffler. He made

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Speaker 3: headlines around the world, not for his golf priories, even

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Speaker 3: though he is one of the best golfers we've ever seen,

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Speaker 3: was the post media stand up, and here's the quote

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Speaker 3: he said, it feels like you work your whole life

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Speaker 3: to celebrate winning a tournament for like a few minutes.

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Speaker 3: It only lasts a few minutes that kind of euphoric feeling,

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Speaker 3: then you go back to the mundane aspects of life.

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Speaker 3: It's a hell of an insight from someone who is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a mistake that we have in life that

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Speaker 2: we think that when we reach our goals, that are

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Speaker 2: suddenly going to be happy in all our situations will disappear.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's happened to a whole lot of people.

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Speaker 2: You know rock stars, when they reach the top, they

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Speaker 2: my problems? You win lotto, people go oh, I thought

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Speaker 2: not the case. Which is an interesting chat about how

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Speaker 2: and how does it feel and if you ever managed

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Speaker 2: to actually find full satisfaction in your life. It'll be

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Speaker 2: an interesting chat because amazing to hear that from a

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Speaker 3: He's got it all. Yeah, that's after three o'clock. After

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Speaker 3: two o'clock, Ozzy Osbourne, the howling singer, mare cap showman

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Speaker 3: and self anointed Prince of Darkness, sad news this morning

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Speaker 3: that he has passed away surrounded by family. But we

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Speaker 3: of Ozzy Osbourne.

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Speaker 2: I thought this was a great comment from Adam Sandler,

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Speaker 2: the comedian, talking about his time thinking about Ozzie Osbourne.

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Speaker 2: Whether we were in our basements with our brothers, in

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Speaker 2: a sleepopen, nobody was more bad, asked to crank up

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Speaker 2: on our speakers than the one and only Prince of Darkness.

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Speaker 2: Ozzie Osbourne. Loved him a lot like we all did,

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Speaker 2: spent time with the legend himself Black Sabbath, my God,

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Speaker 2: such an important band in my life.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: And when we talk about the legacy and how you

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Speaker 2: remember Ozzie Osmund, however you remembered in such a reality

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Speaker 2: tiefs incredible musician both by himself and then solo. But

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Speaker 2: also I've got a story to tell about an incident

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great story that is coming up after

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Speaker 3: two o'clock. But right now, let's have a chat about

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Speaker 3: the price of butter. Everybody in New Zealand it seems

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Speaker 3: Finance Minister Nichola Willis says she's yet to or set

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Speaker 3: to sit down with the Fonterra head Myles Hrald to

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Speaker 3: have a chat about the price of butter. And a

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Speaker 3: big piece in the news last night with Mikey Sherman

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's listen to this. But bear in mind that

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Speaker 2: Miles Hrrell is the CEO of Fonterra. He's a private citizen.

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Speaker 2: He's not a politicians. He's just going about his business

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Speaker 2: and listen to this.

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Speaker 6: Hello, Hi, could we stop and have a proper chat?

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Speaker 6: Is that all right?

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Speaker 7: Just halfway to another meeting to the month?

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Speaker 6: Is eight dollars too much to pay for a block

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Speaker 7: Let me talk to Minister Willis.

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Speaker 6: Do you think you're ripping Keywi's off? Are you ripping

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Speaker 6: margins are you asking for on the price of butter?

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Speaker 8: Let me let me let me talk to Minzuela this afternoon.

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Speaker 8: And I told you're giving in to you at some point.

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Speaker 6: Is it Fonterra putting the prices of butter up or

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Speaker 6: is it supermarkets?

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Speaker 8: It's not appropriate I get into that conversation with you, but.

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Speaker 6: You have to admit that it's a big issue to

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Speaker 7: Yeah, of course it is. So let me let me

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Speaker 7: talk to the minister this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: The price of butter reflects the cost of living under

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Speaker 2: national Please pleased that you guys can afford to feed

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Speaker 3: No, I don't buy butter.

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Speaker 2: So inflation is currently in the range that we want

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Speaker 2: it to be between two and three percent, and I

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Speaker 2: think people must understand inflation went right up to pushing

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Speaker 2: eight percent, right, Yeah, people don't. I think I'm misunderstanding,

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Speaker 2: as inflation comes down to the band we wanted it

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Speaker 2: and we don't want it to be zero. Us the

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Speaker 2: economy is in a very bad position to so we

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Speaker 2: need inflation to be going up slightly. But that doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean that you jump back to the prices from five

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Speaker 2: years ago. No, that's not how it works. And it's

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Speaker 2: still going up and so from the base rate, but

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Speaker 2: it's not going up as much right, So across the board,

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Speaker 2: inflation is sitting around in the band between two and

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Speaker 2: two and three percent where the Reserve Bank is aiming

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Speaker 2: to keep it at So is butter really that burger

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Speaker 2: of an issue? How much butter do you have in

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Speaker 2: a week? Tyler?

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Speaker 3: I'd buy a block maybe every month, but then again

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Speaker 3: I don't know because I don't consume that much butter.

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Speaker 3: And that it's a good point when you mentioned that

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Speaker 3: this morning, and think how much butter are people eating

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Speaker 3: on a week to have that much of an impact

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Speaker 3: on their daily lives. What are you buying ten blocks

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Speaker 3: of butter a week? So it's crossing you one hundred

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Speaker 3: bucks a week. I mean, even if you're buying a

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Speaker 3: block of butter a week, that's ten dollars. Look, genuinely,

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Speaker 3: I can say this is that there's some things that

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Speaker 2: So maybe the cost of butter. And look, I'd love

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is a strange situation where the moral

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Speaker 2: But that's just my opinion. If yours is different, or

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Speaker 3: On the phones have led up? Oh, eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 3: Be very good afternoon to your nineteen past one. So

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Speaker 3: You can't get through, but I one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: But so many people want to talk about the price

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I just someone can explain to me

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Speaker 2: the people that's saying, all very well for you with

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Speaker 2: You don't need to buy butter to feed your family.

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Speaker 2: How much butter are you spreading on your freaking toast?

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Speaker 2: How much baking are you doing that butter is bankrupting you?

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Speaker 2: Luxury at ten dollars?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's only so much buttery you can put on

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Speaker 2: But as I say, could be totally wrong. Love to

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Speaker 2: them on? No, okay, Well, I mean that should be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, William, out there we go.

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Speaker 2: William, welcome to the show. Sorry about it?

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Speaker 9: Look, yeah, goode.

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Speaker 10: Look, I'm just ringing up because yesterday I went to

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Speaker 9: Butter was over ten dollars.

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Speaker 10: This was anchor Butter over ten dollars and just didn't

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Speaker 10: I haven't bought butter. I do have a bit left

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Speaker 10: of the the you know, the olive oil spread instead

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna buy butter. I mean, I've got by cholesterol

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Speaker 10: as it is. I mean, not a great idea.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you'll survive without butter? Do you think

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Speaker 9: William, Well, look there's plenty of people to do baking.

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Speaker 9: It's a standard Kiwi, it's a Kiwi standard dairy products butter.

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Speaker 9: And it's double the price it was last year it

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Speaker 9: butter anchor might have been over five bucks.

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Speaker 11: But it's doubled.

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Speaker 10: The price in the year.

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Speaker 9: So that's why people have pissed offed. And it's not

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Speaker 12: It's the butter.

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Speaker 10: It's sendicative of this idea that's only there. You know,

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Speaker 10: the cost of living index is only two point three

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Speaker 13: That's rubbish.

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Speaker 10: Food prices have escalated, you know, forty five dollars for

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But but but but you've got would you admit

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Speaker 2: William that that's that as we've got we've had inflation, right,

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Speaker 2: so there's there's inflation and then we've had it for

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Speaker 2: a while. Yeah. No, but but for inflation doesn't work

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Speaker 10: Tell me about it. Yeah, I'm sixty five years It

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Speaker 10: needs to want to fixed.

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Speaker 2: Income, it needs to be going up at least two percent.

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Speaker 14: It leeds to needs to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, the economy, the economy is. The economy does

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Speaker 9: Growing and growing and growing and growing.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is otherwise like how it works.

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Speaker 9: It's just how it works.

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Speaker 15: You suck it.

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Speaker 3: Up, mate, Yeah, exactly, I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: It rubbish. What do you think what do you think

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Speaker 2: would happen if you know it the same. Yeah, what

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Speaker 16: Well, I think, you know, if you had better.

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Speaker 10: Controls, and you know, in terms of regulatory controls on

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Speaker 10: so looking at so you think, not subsidizing them as

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Speaker 2: So do you think, William, do you think we should

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Speaker 10: I don't think that's necessary at all, but I think

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Speaker 10: there can be a better price controls. Look, there's going

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Speaker 10: presumingly somebody from Fonterra or from a supermarket or whatever

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Speaker 16: I only just caught this tail end of it.

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Speaker 10: And I guess they're going in to talk to the

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Speaker 10: minister this afternoon quote unquote, So maybe they'll back down

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Speaker 2: William, how would they buy the product? But can I

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Speaker 2: or we I mean, we've forced fon Terra to do that.

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Speaker 2: But then then we're we're essentially running tariffs, aren't we,

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Speaker 2: So then we're then we're open to retaliation from other

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump is good enough for everybody else's tariff. Absolutely,

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Speaker 10: think protected. We've got a lot of inflation going on

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Speaker 10: that's not reported correctly. In my opinion, even as we speak,

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Speaker 10: I see prices going up, going up, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well thank you for that, William.

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Speaker 3: But just on the price controls and having a price sealing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we know history has shown that that doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: What that means is that you still to have shortages

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Speaker 3: That's the way the economy works. At the very difficult

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Speaker 3: Nikola Willis could do, or even Miles Hurel could do,

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Speaker 3: because he's answerable to the farmers.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think it's worth freaking out over butter

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Speaker 2: as you know, the New Zealand government paying the farmers

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Speaker 3: I'd feel ripped off because I don't eat that much butter.

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Speaker 3: So then what more of my money is going to

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Speaker 7: How is that for you? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Height one hundred and eighty ten eighty is then other

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Speaker 3: to call if you want to see a text ninety

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Speaker 3: two ninety two. There's plenty of calls coming through.

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Speaker 2: All this does is highlight the lack of understanding people

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Speaker 3: Response, Yeah, good, cool is twenty six past one back

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Speaker 3: very surely.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: Sophe Malleneiy is the CEO of Sky Television Television New

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Speaker 17: Zealand sports Wise Now stuff, aren't they?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 17: How is it possible that you go to the Rugby

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Speaker 17: Union and go, we'll take some of the all Blacks

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Speaker 17: and will pop it onto TV three.

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Speaker 2: Oh hold on, no, we won't. We might sell the

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Speaker 2: TV and zaid, no you're not.

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Speaker 6: The Rugby Union is the owner of those rights.

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Speaker 3: So ultimately they've got a decision to make about where

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Speaker 3: they want to place some of the freezware rights.

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Speaker 17: I don't want to bag on TV and said, but

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Speaker 17: it just means and this goes back to the ComCom thing.

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Speaker 17: You own a tremendous amount of very valuable real estate

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Speaker 17: now and for some that's hard work.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 6: TVNZ are still the juggnaut though. I don't think you

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Speaker 17: That back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 2: Talk z b OH.

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Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about the price of butter. It seems to

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Speaker 3: a lot of people outraged by the price of butter.

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Speaker 3: So can you hear your thoughts on eight hundred and

442
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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is, it's not that it's not an

444
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Speaker 2: issue at all. I mean it is we would prefer

445
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Speaker 2: that butter wasn't so expensive, or would we? I mean,

446
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Speaker 2: you know, one of the only sectors that's doing very

447
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Speaker 2: well in our country at the moment is dairy exports,

448
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Speaker 2: and we need those badly. So the price of butter

449
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Speaker 2: is arguably a positive thing. Is you know, you could

450
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Speaker 2: look at that and go, that's good. At least something's

451
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Speaker 2: coming into our country because it's the global price. So

452
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Speaker 2: if the local price, the domestic prices is high, that

453
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Speaker 2: means the global price is high, which could be seen

454
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Speaker 2: as a positive thing. So we're not saying it's not

455
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Speaker 2: a problem. I'm just saying, is is it such a

456
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Speaker 2: massive problem that you have a a one used reporter

457
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Speaker 2: haranguing a private citizen on the street, like they've committed

458
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Speaker 2: a crime, like they are part of a massive scandal,

459
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Speaker 2: like they can change the situation.

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Speaker 3: Ye, Paul, what's your take on this?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, well, I think we're being a little bit ridiculous

462
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Speaker 18: about the whole thing. I think the is a lot

463
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Speaker 18: more things that are concerning rather than the price of butter.

464
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Speaker 18: And for a little bit of a different take on it,

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Speaker 18: I think I think it actually comes down to the

466
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Speaker 18: fact that we're becoming quite like in America, and the

467
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Speaker 18: fact that we tend to identify ourselves on we vote for,

468
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Speaker 18: and so it doesn't matter what the issue is in

469
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Speaker 18: the press at any given time, we're going to find

470
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Speaker 18: something to complain about. You know, I just put forty

471
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Speaker 18: leaders of ninety one in my vehicle and that cost

472
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Speaker 18: me one hundred and twenty dollars, which should be a

473
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Speaker 18: lot more concerned about that than the price of a

474
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Speaker 18: five hundred grand block butter.

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Speaker 19: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you spend a lot more on gas

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Speaker 2: than you do on butter. Imagine, PAULA.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, like there's more concerning things about why

479
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Speaker 18: are we importing Indonesian coal to run the humpy power

480
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Speaker 18: station when we've got perfinitely good coal reserves in our

481
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Speaker 18: own country and we're shut down Mars and point years

482
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Speaker 18: ago our only oil refinery. So now we're having a

483
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Speaker 18: feel offshore when we could actually be improving our own

484
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Speaker 18: economy by using those facilities that are available.

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Speaker 2: I think you're highlighting what I'm trying to say here

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Speaker 2: is that why is butter causing this amount of hysteria?

487
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Speaker 2: I need to something where I mix dairy and butter

488
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Speaker 2: and hysteria into one word. I'll try and work on it.

489
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Speaker 2: There needs to be saying maybe if someone can help

490
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Speaker 2: me with that. On nine two nine two, you're absolutely right,

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Speaker 2: But do you think that it's because it becomes a

492
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Speaker 2: political rod to beat up on the current government. And

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Speaker 2: so really what they're doing is they can take butter.

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Speaker 2: It's jumped from four to to ten bucks in a year,

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Speaker 2: so they can use that to beat It's an easy

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Speaker 2: thing for people to understand. It becomes a political thing,

497
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Speaker 2: and if you're on one side of the political spectrum,

498
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Speaker 2: you yell and scream about butter because it's an easy,

499
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Speaker 2: easy win.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, it's exactly right, and I think it's actually at

501
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Speaker 18: a subconscious level. You know, I think it doesn't matter

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Speaker 18: what side of the ear you're on or which governments

503
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Speaker 18: and power we like to complain. I think we actually

504
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Speaker 18: enjoy complaining. And I mean you only have to open

505
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Speaker 18: Facebook or Twitter for a few minutes to confirm that.

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Speaker 18: You know, all we all we like to do is

507
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Speaker 18: argue and with each other these days. So you know,

508
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Speaker 18: like it could be something as ridiculous as a pothole

509
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Speaker 18: pop up on a side street, you know tomorrow, and

510
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Speaker 18: what's what's going to be next week? You know, like this,

511
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Speaker 18: but this butter thing is going to be put to

512
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Speaker 18: rest and probably yeah.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, I agree with you totally, Paul. I think in

514
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Speaker 2: six months we will look at a reporter haranguing the

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Speaker 2: CEO of Frontira on the street about the price. But it,

516
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Speaker 2: in fact, I imagine that this could make global news

517
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Speaker 2: if people could see that. I mean, John Oliver wouldn't

518
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Speaker 2: do it, but back in the day he used to

519
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Speaker 2: kind of make fun a little bit of New Zealand

520
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Speaker 2: Clive James with how we get obsessed about small issues.

521
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Speaker 2: But do you, Paul, ever question yourself because it's very

522
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Speaker 2: hard for people. We can we can observe the tribal

523
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Speaker 2: nature of politics. But when you're getting annoyed about an issue,

524
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Speaker 2: do you have the resolve to go, am I being

525
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Speaker 2: tribal on this? Or am I willing to listen to

526
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Speaker 2: the exact other side of this argument and make sure

527
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Speaker 2: that I actually care about this and I'm not just

528
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Speaker 2: trying to get a win for my team.

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Speaker 18: Well, you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna turn

530
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Speaker 18: around and paint myself as the saying to that respect,

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Speaker 18: I've definitely been caught up in the tribal factor myself.

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Speaker 18: You know, I think Late, we all enjoy pushing each

533
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Speaker 18: other's a little buttons a little bit and probably a

534
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Speaker 18: bit too much. Yeah, you know, like there's a lack

535
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Speaker 18: of self awareness on that front, because you know, everybody

536
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Speaker 18: likes to be right, of course. Yeah, So you know,

537
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Speaker 18: Late quite off, quite off. You catch yourself out after

538
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Speaker 18: the pact.

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Speaker 20: You know.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, But but yeah, we've got all sorts of things

541
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Speaker 18: going on that are much more pressing issues, and butter

542
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Speaker 18: is not one of them.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your cool.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're a good man. And that's I mean, it's

545
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Speaker 3: nothing new, though, was it.

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Speaker 11: There?

547
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Speaker 3: There was a couple elections ago, and I remember John

548
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Speaker 3: Key talking about the price of cheese. It's one of

549
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Speaker 3: the oldest political tricks in the book to focus on

550
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Speaker 3: something and make it as simplistic as possible and get

551
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Speaker 3: people outraged without fully understanding the wider complexities around that thing.

552
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Speaker 3: But is easy. A lot of people clearly buy butter,

553
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Speaker 3: and they get outraged by the price of butter. And

554
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Speaker 3: we got dairy farms here, so they say, why can't

555
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Speaker 3: we have cheap butter? But they're so simplistic, And those

556
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Speaker 3: politicians who are racking this up, shame on them, Shame

557
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Speaker 3: on Mikey Sherman.

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Speaker 2: She's not a politician. She can do what she wants.

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Speaker 2: She's trying to sell. She's just a person that keeps

560
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Speaker 2: you watching between ads. So if butter is the hottestue,

561
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Speaker 2: then she's going to pushing it. Personally, I think that

562
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Speaker 2: she went too far, hassling a private citizen on the

563
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Speaker 2: street who hasn't actually committed a You know, it's a

564
00:25:09,493 --> 00:25:18,413
Speaker 2: different thing that has politicians, but but it's I'll try

565
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Speaker 2: and articulate this. I'll think about what I'm trying to

566
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Speaker 2: say here, and I'll articulate. Because we've got to go

567
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Speaker 2: and go into to a break but I'll come back

568
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Speaker 2: with it. I've got it. One thing I will say

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Speaker 2: from my perspective that the term is steel, meaning is

570
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Speaker 2: what we're talking to Paul about. And the idea is

571
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Speaker 2: if you've got you believe something, to check that you

572
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Speaker 2: aren't being tribal about it, you steal men the other side.

573
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Speaker 2: So you think about the opinion from the other side,

574
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Speaker 2: and you find the strongest opinion from the other side

575
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Speaker 2: and you argue it. And the great thing of working

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Speaker 2: on news talks there'd be is any opinion I throw

577
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Speaker 2: up there nine two nine two in the calls. They

578
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Speaker 2: steal men the other side of the argument because somewhere

579
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the truth.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it is twenty four to two.

581
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Speaker 2: Youth talks.

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Speaker 21: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taking it's no trouble

583
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Speaker 21: with a blue bubble. Police say they found pipe bombs

584
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Speaker 21: yesterday capable of causing death or serious injury as they

585
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Speaker 21: investigated a man's death at a walkway near Auckland's Southern Motorway.

586
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Speaker 21: A section of highway was closed for hours. Labour says

587
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Speaker 21: the breadth of politicians and officials targeted by the tobacco

588
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Speaker 21: industry is shocking. Arenz dillegious document show a company pitch

589
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Speaker 21: draft legislation to New Zealand first in twenty nineteen in

590
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Speaker 21: a lobbying campaign for heated tobacco specialist support educators who

591
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Speaker 21: went on strike yesterday getting their pay docked as they

592
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Speaker 21: plan to work to rule for the coming month. Zidyies

593
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Speaker 21: agreed to attend urgent mediation and talks are ongoing with

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Speaker 21: the PSA. The opposition says the government needs to give

595
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Speaker 21: details of how long it will take for the new

596
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Speaker 21: partially taxpayer funded Waikanto Medical School to produce doctors, why

597
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Speaker 21: inflation is back, and why the Reserve Bank can probably

598
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Speaker 21: ignore it. Read this and more from Inside Economic City,

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Speaker 21: ZID Herald, Premium Magnata, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean. We're talking about the price

601
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Speaker 3: of butter and the national outrage over how much it's

602
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Speaker 3: costing to buy a block of butter at the supermarket.

603
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Speaker 2: And I was looking for a word for it and

604
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Speaker 2: got a few come through A nineteen nine two. People

605
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Speaker 2: are clever, aren't they. Hysteria love that it's hysteria and

606
00:27:20,053 --> 00:27:26,933
Speaker 2: dairy hysteria. But hysteria hysteria. Yeah, Dearia around the butter price,

607
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Speaker 2: as this Texas says, butter, Seriously, my main increase is

608
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Speaker 2: a gas, electricity, food and general insurances, cost of getting tradesmen, etc.

609
00:27:34,453 --> 00:27:36,693
Speaker 2: They are the real issues, not the cost of one

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Speaker 2: food item, you know, and especially that one food item,

611
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Speaker 2: the butter, is actually great for our economy. So on

612
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Speaker 2: the other hand, the other side of it, it means

613
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Speaker 2: that some money is coming in at a very very

614
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Speaker 2: difficult time. Matt, maybe he should have just answered the

615
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Speaker 2: questions since nations asking do you write wing apologists have

616
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Speaker 2: a club you belong to God. That's the first time

617
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Speaker 2: I've ever been called a right wing apologist. Are you serious? Mate?

618
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Speaker 2: Half the bloody text machine calls me a communist. Half

619
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Speaker 2: the text machine calls me a right wing apologist. Listen.

620
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Speaker 2: He doesn't have to answer the question. He was very

621
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Speaker 2: polite to her and she kept going and going going.

622
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Speaker 2: He's a private citizen. He is doing his job, which

623
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Speaker 2: is to make as much money as he can for

624
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Speaker 2: the farmers, for fon Terra. That's that's his job. So

625
00:28:26,133 --> 00:28:27,853
Speaker 2: if he doesn't want to talk to you, he doesn't

626
00:28:27,893 --> 00:28:32,253
Speaker 2: owe you anything. He doesn't own. Mikey Sherman to get

627
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Speaker 2: her content for the one used that night.

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Speaker 3: It's theatrics, that's that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: And I agree with Paul before it because it's easy play.

630
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Speaker 2: It's it's easy. It's easy, easy play, you go, but

631
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Speaker 2: it is up. Let's harangue this guy. It's it's an

632
00:28:48,893 --> 00:28:49,613
Speaker 2: easy target.

633
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Speaker 3: Spot on Morris.

634
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Speaker 22: How are you.

635
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Speaker 16: Lads?

636
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Speaker 20: That's as close to my heart, you know, Mikey Sherman,

637
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Speaker 20: I thought she was running for the married parted the

638
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Speaker 20: way she behaved that was shameful, absolutely shameful.

639
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Speaker 2: What's it good to do with the Maulti party.

640
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Speaker 20: Well, she behaves like they behave in parliament, which is awful.

641
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Speaker 2: But anyway, it's a bit of a stretch. Mars.

642
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Speaker 19: Oh, it's like a hacker in front of him.

643
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Speaker 5: He works with and we don't want to subsize New Zealand.

644
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Speaker 2: That's miles off the topic, buddy, Yeah, yeah, I mean,

645
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Speaker 2: love you Morris, but genuous.

646
00:29:23,773 --> 00:29:25,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes it away from the topic that we're

647
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Speaker 3: talking about.

648
00:29:26,613 --> 00:29:30,493
Speaker 2: Look, you know, collect your thoughts without all that peripheral

649
00:29:30,893 --> 00:29:34,053
Speaker 2: unrelated issue stuff and you give us the ring back

650
00:29:34,133 --> 00:29:35,053
Speaker 2: ter your thoughts.

651
00:29:36,093 --> 00:29:42,453
Speaker 5: Yeah, good that guys. Uh, Mikey Sharmon Sherman very naughty. Uh,

652
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Speaker 5: Batman didn't deserve that. I was the Osborne very sad

653
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Speaker 5: news price of bother. We're almost controlled by the international market.

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Speaker 23: Uh.

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Speaker 5: People whoever right and will complain about anything that's going.

656
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Speaker 5: It just seems to be the way wins and kwis.

657
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Speaker 4: You know where we are and.

658
00:30:07,693 --> 00:30:09,653
Speaker 2: We just become ingin kiwis? Is that what it is?

659
00:30:09,773 --> 00:30:11,133
Speaker 2: Or have we always been keys?

660
00:30:11,973 --> 00:30:15,973
Speaker 5: Now we've always been winsing kiwish. But that's all right

661
00:30:16,253 --> 00:30:17,773
Speaker 5: if that's what you want to do, if that's what

662
00:30:17,813 --> 00:30:19,773
Speaker 5: some people want to do. I mean, maybe I'm doing

663
00:30:19,773 --> 00:30:20,933
Speaker 5: it now windsy about it.

664
00:30:23,893 --> 00:30:26,373
Speaker 2: I was just winding about winding, which is pretty hypocritical.

665
00:30:26,373 --> 00:30:26,773
Speaker 2: You got to.

666
00:30:26,693 --> 00:30:30,733
Speaker 5: Say, yeah, I can't think. I can't zone it on anything,

667
00:30:30,773 --> 00:30:35,413
Speaker 5: particularly the wind. I mean, butter, Butter's nice, it's good.

668
00:30:36,013 --> 00:30:40,213
Speaker 5: But you know, we're getting the money in form of

669
00:30:40,253 --> 00:30:43,133
Speaker 5: export dollars, which mean that the farmer is going to

670
00:30:43,213 --> 00:30:46,693
Speaker 5: go and buy whatever Recarpeter's house or buy you to

671
00:30:46,813 --> 00:30:51,213
Speaker 5: or you know whoever's and coming into contact with that

672
00:30:51,293 --> 00:30:53,413
Speaker 5: may get some benefit out of it. That way away

673
00:30:53,533 --> 00:31:00,053
Speaker 5: to increase. So I don't know, I mean, if the

674
00:31:00,133 --> 00:31:03,093
Speaker 5: people of that can send like go and buy a

675
00:31:03,133 --> 00:31:05,133
Speaker 5: cow and milk it and make them butter.

676
00:31:05,293 --> 00:31:06,733
Speaker 3: Or now you're talking.

677
00:31:06,933 --> 00:31:10,813
Speaker 2: Well, someone takes before in before about how much how

678
00:31:10,813 --> 00:31:12,893
Speaker 2: easy it is to make butter with milk in a bag.

679
00:31:12,893 --> 00:31:15,133
Speaker 2: But I mean that's not like the milk's that cheap. No,

680
00:31:18,253 --> 00:31:21,933
Speaker 2: this is okay, here we go. We don't have any

681
00:31:21,933 --> 00:31:24,413
Speaker 2: calls lined up next, but full lines.

682
00:31:24,493 --> 00:31:26,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do have full lines, oh, one hundred and

683
00:31:26,053 --> 00:31:28,653
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. If you can't get through, keep trying.

684
00:31:29,093 --> 00:31:31,093
Speaker 3: We'll play some messages and come back with more of

685
00:31:31,093 --> 00:31:32,653
Speaker 3: your calls planning if people want to have a chat

686
00:31:32,693 --> 00:31:34,573
Speaker 3: about this. It is sixteen to two.

687
00:31:34,733 --> 00:31:36,133
Speaker 2: We'll transort out our phone lines.

688
00:31:38,093 --> 00:31:41,693
Speaker 1: Matteath Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh, eight hundred

689
00:31:41,693 --> 00:31:44,293
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

690
00:31:44,373 --> 00:31:46,053
Speaker 1: Afternoons news talks.

691
00:31:45,973 --> 00:31:49,613
Speaker 3: Be very good. Afternoon it is fourteen to two and

692
00:31:49,653 --> 00:31:51,453
Speaker 3: getting a lot of calls about the price of butter.

693
00:31:51,493 --> 00:31:52,373
Speaker 3: Loved to your thoughts.

694
00:31:52,533 --> 00:31:55,093
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Mary. Do you think this bug

695
00:31:55,293 --> 00:31:57,413
Speaker 2: butter issue is a big one? Are you part of

696
00:31:57,453 --> 00:31:58,373
Speaker 2: the hysteria?

697
00:31:58,773 --> 00:31:59,093
Speaker 24: Yes?

698
00:31:59,653 --> 00:32:02,853
Speaker 15: Yes, wow, not hysteria, but it certainly has talked about

699
00:32:03,213 --> 00:32:06,053
Speaker 15: because do you guys do much baking?

700
00:32:06,453 --> 00:32:09,613
Speaker 2: No, No, my partner, my part it does a lot

701
00:32:09,613 --> 00:32:11,013
Speaker 2: of bat.

702
00:32:11,293 --> 00:32:14,653
Speaker 15: A lot of things that you try using vargarine and

703
00:32:14,693 --> 00:32:17,013
Speaker 15: they do not come out the same. The big the

704
00:32:17,053 --> 00:32:20,933
Speaker 15: best example is probably short bread, and everyone loves short

705
00:32:20,973 --> 00:32:22,693
Speaker 15: bread with a cup of tea, Okay, And I was

706
00:32:22,733 --> 00:32:25,573
Speaker 15: going to make them to surprise my partner who's turning

707
00:32:25,613 --> 00:32:27,173
Speaker 15: up the slabs to know, But I'm not going to

708
00:32:27,253 --> 00:32:30,773
Speaker 15: make it because like it's eight dollars forty nine. I

709
00:32:30,813 --> 00:32:34,733
Speaker 15: think it is in most like New World and countdowns.

710
00:32:34,853 --> 00:32:38,093
Speaker 15: Locally it is at the moment, but generally when women

711
00:32:38,213 --> 00:32:40,533
Speaker 15: goes shopping, I usually see at least three or four

712
00:32:40,573 --> 00:32:43,173
Speaker 15: blocks of butter in their trolleys. R A lot of

713
00:32:43,213 --> 00:32:45,333
Speaker 15: it is. A lot of it is because of the

714
00:32:45,373 --> 00:32:48,333
Speaker 15: fact that, like I would go through a block probably

715
00:32:48,373 --> 00:32:49,053
Speaker 15: almost a week.

716
00:32:50,253 --> 00:32:54,413
Speaker 2: So about ten bucks worth of butter a week there, Marry, Well,

717
00:32:54,453 --> 00:32:54,933
Speaker 2: we'll say we.

718
00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:57,093
Speaker 15: Won't say ten, we'll say eight dollars forty nine.

719
00:32:57,173 --> 00:32:59,813
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So that's costing you an extra four dollars

720
00:32:59,893 --> 00:33:02,893
Speaker 2: forty a week for you for your baking. Mary at

721
00:33:02,893 --> 00:33:04,493
Speaker 2: the moment, just from when it was, when it was

722
00:33:04,533 --> 00:33:06,333
Speaker 2: when it was down at four bucks about a year ago.

723
00:33:07,133 --> 00:33:09,493
Speaker 15: Well was that five five years?

724
00:33:09,573 --> 00:33:11,293
Speaker 2: So about three three dollars more a week.

725
00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:14,373
Speaker 15: So I don't buy I'll only buy one at a

726
00:33:14,413 --> 00:33:18,693
Speaker 15: time now instead of like two. But I am by myself.

727
00:33:19,013 --> 00:33:21,693
Speaker 15: But you know, I've got that three people that want

728
00:33:21,693 --> 00:33:23,533
Speaker 15: me to make a cake for them, for example, a

729
00:33:23,573 --> 00:33:28,093
Speaker 15: banana cake and that has but us make it with

730
00:33:28,133 --> 00:33:30,973
Speaker 15: oil or anything like that. Or margarine. I actually bought

731
00:33:31,093 --> 00:33:34,853
Speaker 15: margarine about two months ago and I've used probably a

732
00:33:34,933 --> 00:33:37,133
Speaker 15: slight amount of it. It's still sitting in my fridge

733
00:33:37,133 --> 00:33:38,973
Speaker 15: because it's a taste.

734
00:33:39,613 --> 00:33:42,933
Speaker 2: Do you have you ever tried using gee butter instead

735
00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:44,413
Speaker 2: of using instead of butter.

736
00:33:45,413 --> 00:33:47,333
Speaker 15: But that'd be a more extensive probably.

737
00:33:48,213 --> 00:33:50,053
Speaker 3: But I mean, you sound like a really good person, Mary,

738
00:33:50,093 --> 00:33:52,453
Speaker 3: that you're baking for other people. But just in my

739
00:33:52,493 --> 00:33:54,453
Speaker 3: own instance, there's a lot of products that I can't

740
00:33:54,453 --> 00:33:56,373
Speaker 3: really justify the price of anymore, so I take them

741
00:33:56,413 --> 00:33:58,933
Speaker 3: off the grocery list and it's not really changing my

742
00:33:58,973 --> 00:34:00,813
Speaker 3: week to week that much. They are nice to have,

743
00:34:00,893 --> 00:34:02,813
Speaker 3: but I don't need them, And to me, butter is

744
00:34:02,813 --> 00:34:05,213
Speaker 3: a similar situation. It's lovely that you bake for people,

745
00:34:05,853 --> 00:34:08,013
Speaker 3: but that in the time being might be something that

746
00:34:08,053 --> 00:34:09,813
Speaker 3: you can't do, or you take something else off the

747
00:34:09,853 --> 00:34:11,453
Speaker 3: grocery list, so you can still buy your butter and

748
00:34:11,493 --> 00:34:12,253
Speaker 3: do your lovely baking.

749
00:34:13,253 --> 00:34:15,293
Speaker 15: Yeah, I don't know. I don't need a lot of

750
00:34:15,333 --> 00:34:18,933
Speaker 15: meat actually, but like I eat like chicken and I

751
00:34:19,053 --> 00:34:22,253
Speaker 15: like to make buttered chicken there and again, do.

752
00:34:22,253 --> 00:34:22,853
Speaker 2: You make a good butter?

753
00:34:22,933 --> 00:34:23,053
Speaker 24: Check?

754
00:34:23,053 --> 00:34:24,333
Speaker 2: And I always struggle to make a good bute of

755
00:34:24,373 --> 00:34:27,413
Speaker 2: checking at home. It's difficult, I do.

756
00:34:27,413 --> 00:34:29,533
Speaker 15: The truck is the sauce that you put with it?

757
00:34:29,813 --> 00:34:31,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always miss up the sauce. It gets too

758
00:34:31,733 --> 00:34:34,732
Speaker 2: tomatow We no, no you don't.

759
00:34:36,533 --> 00:34:38,533
Speaker 15: I'll have to send you the recipe that I use.

760
00:34:38,573 --> 00:34:40,172
Speaker 2: And I appreciate that.

761
00:34:41,173 --> 00:34:42,573
Speaker 15: Yeah, who do I send?

762
00:34:42,853 --> 00:34:43,813
Speaker 24: What's your regrets?

763
00:34:44,133 --> 00:34:44,933
Speaker 2: We'll tell you off of you.

764
00:34:45,893 --> 00:34:49,213
Speaker 15: Oh okay, you know that's cool. But you know, definitely

765
00:34:49,733 --> 00:34:54,933
Speaker 15: seriously like bringing them because the women are the ones

766
00:34:54,973 --> 00:35:00,053
Speaker 15: that often do the baking. And honestly, I went to

767
00:35:00,053 --> 00:35:02,293
Speaker 15: England in the eighties and I actually took better from

768
00:35:02,293 --> 00:35:05,613
Speaker 15: here with me and my friends over there laughed, But

769
00:35:05,853 --> 00:35:08,093
Speaker 15: the cheapest futter over there was Irish butter, if you

770
00:35:08,133 --> 00:35:11,613
Speaker 15: could get it. Yeah, and we're and I hope to

771
00:35:11,613 --> 00:35:17,453
Speaker 15: make uh new zelan you know the biscuits, the inject

772
00:35:20,253 --> 00:35:23,053
Speaker 15: well you've got to make you don't put Marjorie into

773
00:35:23,093 --> 00:35:23,732
Speaker 15: those either.

774
00:35:24,053 --> 00:35:25,212
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much.

775
00:35:25,293 --> 00:35:25,573
Speaker 25: Mary.

776
00:35:25,933 --> 00:35:27,973
Speaker 3: Fantastic chip with you and we'll get that butter chicken

777
00:35:28,013 --> 00:35:31,013
Speaker 3: recipe off you very shortly. Right, I got to take

778
00:35:31,013 --> 00:35:32,973
Speaker 3: a break, but when we come back, thank you very much.

779
00:35:33,053 --> 00:35:34,373
Speaker 3: It is ten to two.

780
00:35:34,493 --> 00:35:35,652
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you what that took the heat

781
00:35:35,653 --> 00:35:38,293
Speaker 2: out of the subject, didn't it. Certainly do need a

782
00:35:38,293 --> 00:35:39,933
Speaker 2: good butter chicken. Love it butter chicken.

783
00:35:42,373 --> 00:35:45,933
Speaker 1: Madd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

784
00:35:45,973 --> 00:35:50,053
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

785
00:35:49,493 --> 00:35:52,853
Speaker 3: News Talks, very good afternoon year at seven to two,

786
00:35:52,893 --> 00:35:54,533
Speaker 3: we're talking about the price of butter. A lot of

787
00:35:54,573 --> 00:35:56,652
Speaker 3: people upset apparently about the top price of butter.

788
00:35:56,733 --> 00:35:58,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think people mis understanding. I'm not saying

789
00:35:58,413 --> 00:36:02,133
Speaker 2: that it's I mean, look, what I'm saying is is,

790
00:36:02,133 --> 00:36:06,613
Speaker 2: at the end of the world, do we does this hysteria?

791
00:36:06,933 --> 00:36:08,013
Speaker 3: Nice? Well done?

792
00:36:08,173 --> 00:36:08,973
Speaker 2: Is it justified?

793
00:36:09,093 --> 00:36:09,293
Speaker 3: Yeah?

794
00:36:10,013 --> 00:36:13,133
Speaker 2: Does it justify haranguing a private citizen on the street

795
00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:15,813
Speaker 2: like he's committed a crime or there's a massive scandal.

796
00:36:16,013 --> 00:36:19,533
Speaker 2: He's not a politician at Myles Harrell, the reason the

797
00:36:19,573 --> 00:36:22,213
Speaker 2: butter mania is is because that all you plankers are

798
00:36:22,253 --> 00:36:24,933
Speaker 2: being on about it. If you choose something more interesting

799
00:36:24,933 --> 00:36:26,933
Speaker 2: to talk about it, it won't be a thing that's

800
00:36:26,933 --> 00:36:29,173
Speaker 2: from Jason. Yeah, I mean it's kind of ironic that

801
00:36:29,253 --> 00:36:31,853
Speaker 2: I'm saying, why is everyone talking about it? It's is

802
00:36:31,853 --> 00:36:34,093
Speaker 2: it such a big deal while spending it out talking

803
00:36:34,133 --> 00:36:34,533
Speaker 2: about it?

804
00:36:34,653 --> 00:36:36,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see the irony there.

805
00:36:36,133 --> 00:36:38,853
Speaker 2: But look, I did get a great butter chicken recipe

806
00:36:38,933 --> 00:36:39,653
Speaker 2: off Mary.

807
00:36:39,453 --> 00:36:40,653
Speaker 3: So not all is lost.

808
00:36:40,853 --> 00:36:43,413
Speaker 2: So maybe that if you want a conspiracy theory, maybe

809
00:36:43,413 --> 00:36:44,773
Speaker 2: that's why I set this little thing up.

810
00:36:45,053 --> 00:36:46,813
Speaker 3: That's all you needed in your life.

811
00:36:46,813 --> 00:36:47,933
Speaker 2: Dave, welcome to the show.

812
00:36:53,293 --> 00:36:55,533
Speaker 26: The whole butter thing, I think I said teaching you

813
00:36:55,613 --> 00:36:57,493
Speaker 26: it is just really a metaphor for what's really going

814
00:36:57,493 --> 00:37:00,213
Speaker 26: on out there in the big wide world. But it

815
00:37:00,253 --> 00:37:03,333
Speaker 26: does affect, you know, a cost of living. You know, restaurants.

816
00:37:03,533 --> 00:37:07,933
Speaker 26: I've got buddies who owned restaurants. You know, their costs

817
00:37:07,973 --> 00:37:09,053
Speaker 26: of gone a lot of.

818
00:37:08,973 --> 00:37:12,173
Speaker 2: Butter and restaurant food. That a lot of butter and

819
00:37:12,213 --> 00:37:14,813
Speaker 2: restaurant food, that's for sure, a lot of better in.

820
00:37:14,813 --> 00:37:17,213
Speaker 26: Restaurant a lot of butter and bakries, you know, and

821
00:37:17,373 --> 00:37:19,813
Speaker 26: you just buying a bun for your kids to take school.

822
00:37:20,133 --> 00:37:22,292
Speaker 26: That's all gone up. I mean, it's not just butter,

823
00:37:22,653 --> 00:37:25,493
Speaker 26: it's it's the on flow. But you know, guys, I

824
00:37:25,653 --> 00:37:28,212
Speaker 26: was thinking about this a while ago, and a little

825
00:37:28,253 --> 00:37:30,653
Speaker 26: bit of entry trivia. You know, Fontier is a great company.

826
00:37:30,653 --> 00:37:33,853
Speaker 26: I've got nothing respect that for that company. I think

827
00:37:33,853 --> 00:37:36,253
Speaker 26: they're doing an amazing job. And I love seeing the

828
00:37:36,293 --> 00:37:40,133
Speaker 26: dairy farmers making really good money because that does flow

829
00:37:40,173 --> 00:37:44,293
Speaker 26: down and it's going to have positive effects on New Zealand.

830
00:37:44,893 --> 00:37:47,573
Speaker 26: But you know, I think we should let Fontierra do

831
00:37:47,653 --> 00:37:49,693
Speaker 26: what they do better and then is export to the

832
00:37:49,733 --> 00:37:52,933
Speaker 26: global markets. Just a little bit of trivia on the side.

833
00:37:53,173 --> 00:37:56,333
Speaker 26: Fontier was facilitated by the Labor government, just as a

834
00:37:56,333 --> 00:37:58,773
Speaker 26: bit of interesting in trivia for you. But Helen Clark

835
00:37:59,053 --> 00:38:01,893
Speaker 26: actually changed the law to make sure that Fonterira could

836
00:38:01,933 --> 00:38:05,933
Speaker 26: be stretchured and formulated. So for all those National Party

837
00:38:05,973 --> 00:38:08,573
Speaker 26: supporters that think that it's a blue product, it ain't.

838
00:38:08,973 --> 00:38:12,093
Speaker 26: But what I was thinking, guys is why don't we

839
00:38:12,093 --> 00:38:14,493
Speaker 26: We've got we own eighty three farms in this country.

840
00:38:14,733 --> 00:38:17,413
Speaker 26: The taxpayer that is why don't we set up a

841
00:38:17,533 --> 00:38:22,973
Speaker 26: domestic only dairy system where we're producing dairy products in

842
00:38:23,053 --> 00:38:26,613
Speaker 26: New Zealand on our farms that we own and supplying

843
00:38:26,813 --> 00:38:28,053
Speaker 26: just the domestic market.

844
00:38:28,293 --> 00:38:33,333
Speaker 2: But those people, why would those farmers take a less

845
00:38:33,373 --> 00:38:34,493
Speaker 2: for their for their butter.

846
00:38:35,893 --> 00:38:39,693
Speaker 26: Well because bying into a business model that's not based

847
00:38:39,733 --> 00:38:41,013
Speaker 26: on Fontira's business model.

848
00:38:41,973 --> 00:38:43,772
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I mean you could you could start

849
00:38:43,813 --> 00:38:46,053
Speaker 2: a farm right now and just sell it straight outside

850
00:38:46,053 --> 00:38:47,933
Speaker 2: of Fontira. You could be independent.

851
00:38:47,973 --> 00:38:51,133
Speaker 26: You need processing, so you have to be you have

852
00:38:51,213 --> 00:38:53,933
Speaker 26: to be. You'd have to a third party at off

853
00:38:54,013 --> 00:38:57,893
Speaker 26: or or we set up our own, you know, production facility.

854
00:38:58,253 --> 00:39:00,732
Speaker 26: But the reality is we've got a st sitting here

855
00:39:00,853 --> 00:39:02,893
Speaker 26: right now as we speak that we're not really using.

856
00:39:03,333 --> 00:39:05,213
Speaker 26: But I think if we could look at some of

857
00:39:05,253 --> 00:39:08,733
Speaker 26: these these properties that we own to them, it's a

858
00:39:08,813 --> 00:39:12,732
Speaker 26: domestic deary units. Whether we run them, whether the test

859
00:39:12,733 --> 00:39:15,773
Speaker 26: player runs them, you know, these opportunities there. What I'm

860
00:39:15,773 --> 00:39:17,453
Speaker 26: trying to say, thank you so much.

861
00:39:17,373 --> 00:39:18,973
Speaker 2: For you call Dave. We've got to go there. I

862
00:39:19,013 --> 00:39:22,493
Speaker 2: think you know, that's a complicated issue there around the

863
00:39:22,533 --> 00:39:24,973
Speaker 2: government getting involved just to bring the price of butter down.

864
00:39:25,813 --> 00:39:28,253
Speaker 2: It's very complicated when you're trying to be a free country.

865
00:39:28,293 --> 00:39:29,773
Speaker 2: And you know, we don't want to go back to

866
00:39:29,933 --> 00:39:32,413
Speaker 2: pre nineteen eighty four when we were just buying butter

867
00:39:32,453 --> 00:39:35,653
Speaker 2: and stockpiling it. Yeah, exactly, which would be the similar

868
00:39:35,693 --> 00:39:38,053
Speaker 2: thing to be doing. Yeah, the government buying and producing

869
00:39:38,053 --> 00:39:40,013
Speaker 2: its own butter. I'm not sure, but anyway, should we

870
00:39:40,053 --> 00:39:40,853
Speaker 2: keep this coming going?

871
00:39:40,973 --> 00:39:43,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's keep it going from so many people, Butter

872
00:39:43,853 --> 00:39:44,733
Speaker 3: news is coming.

873
00:39:44,613 --> 00:39:49,773
Speaker 4: Up talking with you all afternoon.

874
00:39:50,093 --> 00:39:53,653
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into

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Speaker 3: the program. Six past too. So many people want to

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Speaker 3: have a chat about butter, so we're carrying it on

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Speaker 3: and love to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there we are, It's there.

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Speaker 3: It does again.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's talking butter. Why is it such a big deal.

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Speaker 2: I postulated the question that maybe we are going too

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Speaker 2: hard on butter. Maybe we're spending too much of our

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Speaker 2: brain space worrying about the fact butter is up. How

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Speaker 2: much buddy, do we actually need? Mary rang him before.

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Speaker 2: She needs quite a lot of butter for her short bread.

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Speaker 2: No one is going to starve to death because butter

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Speaker 2: has gone up in price. I buy one block of

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Speaker 2: butter every two weeks if that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what's that? That's about four dollars fifty per week? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's reasonable.

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Speaker 2: So it's gone up from four to ten dollars. Let's say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so is it three dollars more that it's costing.

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Speaker 12: You a week?

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Speaker 2: Is that bankrupt? Bearing in mind it's not compulsory. So

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Speaker 2: why all the hysteria, the hysteria and by hysteria, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it was exemplified with Mikey Schumann on One

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Speaker 2: News last night, hassling the CEO of Fonterra on the street.

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Speaker 6: Hello, by Hi, could we stop and have a proper chat?

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Speaker 6: Is that all right?

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Speaker 7: Just halfware to another meeting.

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Speaker 6: To the moment, it's eight dollars is too much to

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Speaker 6: pay for a block of butter.

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Speaker 7: Let me talk to minister Willis.

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Speaker 6: Do you think you're ripping keyw Wei's off? Are you

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Speaker 6: ripping keys off when it comes to butter? What sort

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Speaker 6: of margins are you asking for in the price of butter?

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Speaker 8: Let me let me let me talk to Minezuela this afternoon.

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Speaker 8: And I told you're givining to you at some point?

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Speaker 6: Is it Fonterra putting the prices of butter up or

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Speaker 6: is it supermarkets.

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Speaker 8: It's not appropriate I get into that conversation with you, but.

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Speaker 6: You have to admit that it's a big issue to

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Speaker 6: kiwis all across the country at the moment.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, of course it is. So let me let me

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Speaker 7: talk to minister this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: So this isn't a guy that's involved in a direct

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Speaker 2: scandal where he's done something illegal. It's not a politician.

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Speaker 2: He's a private citizen. It's not fear go or target.

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Speaker 2: He hasn't ripped off someone, he hasn't running he's not

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Speaker 2: running a scan.

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Speaker 3: Very dramatic, So it's a lot. It's in my.

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Speaker 2: Opinion to harangue a private citizen on the street like that.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't owe it to you to give you information

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Speaker 2: exactly when you want it so you can put it

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Speaker 2: in broadcast. That's not how the world works. Yeah, politicians

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Speaker 2: owe us an answer, absolutely, but private citizens that are

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Speaker 2: running companies don't owe us an answer. And some would

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Speaker 2: argue that he's doing a fantastic job because the only

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Speaker 2: thing keeping our economy afloat at the moment is the

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Speaker 2: fact that we're selling some butter overseas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, dairy farmers, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

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Speaker 3: how do you feel about Miles Hurra being chased down

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Speaker 3: the street? And what do you say to Kiwis about

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Speaker 3: the price of butter, Because there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: As you mentioned, and economists have said this, the agriculture

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Speaker 3: industry in New Zealand is driving our economy at the moment.

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Speaker 3: It is the one big bright spot that we have

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Speaker 3: that is helping pull us out of these doldrums hopefully.

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Speaker 2: And what do you say to people that think it's

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Speaker 2: a great idea that we have state fund dairy farms

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Speaker 2: that just make dairy to keep the price down in

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Speaker 2: our supermarkets, or people that say that the government should

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Speaker 2: pay farmers and processes the missing margin, you know, which

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Speaker 2: is not the same as but akin to the stockpiling

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Speaker 2: that we were doing pre nineteen eighty four, and you know,

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Speaker 2: or surcharges on butter experts to subsidize you know, we're

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Speaker 2: a free market nation. In my opinion, that's that's a

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Speaker 2: good thing. And if we start doing that then we

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Speaker 2: are open to a bit of kickback from the people

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Speaker 2: that globally we're trying to say open up your market,

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Speaker 2: open up your market, and then we close down our market.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're sort of thinking scared, how out of me?

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Speaker 3: It seems like very very poor financial strategy. But Kenny,

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Speaker 3: your views on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: This text says it's not good enough to say it's

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Speaker 2: too difficult for government to get our New zealandery consumer

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Speaker 2: a cheaper price. There's exemptions on GSC on foods in Australia.

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Speaker 2: If National doesn't do anything about this escalating butter price,

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Speaker 2: it will lose the next election. And that's the truth.

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Speaker 2: Would you not vote for someone because but just don't?

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Speaker 3: How am I the hell of a?

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Speaker 2: Am I going crazy?

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Speaker 3: A voting consideration? I mean right up the top. So

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Speaker 3: you've got housing, the general economy, cost of but buttle

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Speaker 3: number one, health, healthdaria, education and butter.

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Speaker 2: It's absolute hysteria. Lynn, You don't agree. You think that

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Speaker 2: this hysteria is on point?

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Speaker 15: Well, I'm a bit world about the whole thing. Because

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Speaker 15: they're not.

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Speaker 27: Helping the ordinary citizen by having the butter at these prices.

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Speaker 2: Well, you can argue that they are because they could.

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Speaker 2: You could argue that it is because it's a global price,

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Speaker 2: and the butter price being up in New Zealand indicates

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Speaker 2: how well buttered, how well the prices are going overseas,

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Speaker 2: thus helping our economy.

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Speaker 27: Yes, what about being kind of the domestic people that

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Speaker 27: buy butters are baked with, Well, I don't it anymore.

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Speaker 27: I won't be faking with it anymore. It's now a

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Speaker 27: luxury item. And I feel like standing with my my

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Speaker 27: singer outside the cooler or the freezer and saying boycott,

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Speaker 27: because if everybody boycott is going to be a jolly.

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Speaker 2: That's just the that's just the market line. And if

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Speaker 2: New Zealand completely boycotted butter, we just sell more of

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Speaker 2: it overseas. But absolutely, if it gets too expensive, that's

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Speaker 2: the decision you make. You just stop buying it, right,

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Speaker 2: That's how it.

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Speaker 27: Works when you're baked, when your bake, I mean scans

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Speaker 27: take three fifty grams of butter and buttered chicken and

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Speaker 27: just sort of thing, and you can't beat butter for

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Speaker 27: that sort of thing. I mean, you can use oil.

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Speaker 27: Oil has gone up too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for your call. Yeah, butter chicken has risen.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people talking about buttered chicken.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there was so much homemade butter chicken.

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Speaker 3: Going on on the boycott question, I get that there

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Speaker 3: can be a successful strategy, but you're quite right when

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Speaker 3: it comes to butter. Then the overseas market will just

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Speaker 3: take more of the butter. It won't make a stick

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Speaker 3: a difference.

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Speaker 2: Here a fantastic recipe to double butter volume. Beat two

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty grams soft butter till fluffy, gradually add

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Speaker 2: one hundred mills sunflower oil, then one hundred mills water. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's brilliant, still tastes like butter and spreads very well.

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Speaker 3: There's ross and are the sort of tips we need

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Speaker 3: right now, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Simple, no cost to the text Passerluca, and set a

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Speaker 2: quota to the local market at the level that drives

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Speaker 2: prices down. Dairy industry can make it or not. From experts,

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Speaker 2: I don't care if the parasite farmers go broke.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. If the parasite farmers, as

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Speaker 2: you call them, go broke, then I don't think you're

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Speaker 2: you'll be going so.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're all in trouble because you can say

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Speaker 3: that the only thing that's floating garri Coon exactly right. Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighteen eighty is the number to call. Love

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Speaker 3: your thoughts about the price of butter? Thirteen past two.

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Speaker 1: Wow, your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk said.

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Speaker 6: Be.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen past two and we're getting your thoughts about the

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Speaker 3: hysteria around the price of butter. Oh eight hundred eighteen

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Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: This is the most outrageous check text we've got so far. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: just looked up butter chicken respeak. Guess what, No.

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Speaker 3: Butter get out of town. I don't believe it.

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Speaker 2: You've got a butter chicken with no respeed.

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Speaker 3: This definitely there's definitely butter and the butter chicking.

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Speaker 2: The rich TOMATOI butter sauce contains a generous amount of butter,

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Speaker 2: tomato pure or crush tomatoes, cream, some more dairy, cashew

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Speaker 2: or almond paste, a punch of sugar, salt, ferne, Greek leaves,

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Speaker 2: additional garam masala.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting hungry. Seven got butter and he definitely got

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Speaker 3: butter and.

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Speaker 2: Controversial.

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Speaker 3: Controversial. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call John. How are you.

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Speaker 13: John?

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Speaker 2: You there?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Oh hey John? Sorry about that. Something happening with their

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Speaker 2: phones today? Your thoughts on the on this this year?

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Speaker 7: Are you?

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Speaker 2: Are you buying into this? Hys Daaria?

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Speaker 25: Well, I must say I thought when I was watching

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Speaker 25: TV last night that I was watching for you Go,

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Speaker 25: and I thought maybe there's cancel. They've taken TV run

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Speaker 25: news off the year and replaceable. I don't know anyway,

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Speaker 25: I am not under it. No, I think it's great

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Speaker 25: on it. We must be earning some money overseas. And

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Speaker 25: and to me, I use margarine.

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Speaker 2: How long have you been using magarine? Have you jumped

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Speaker 2: on the margarine John, because the bad is too expensive?

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Speaker 2: Or is marjarine just your product of choice?

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Speaker 25: I use marjorin because it's a product of choice. It's cheaper,

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Speaker 25: and I actually go to the pain's brain. That's not

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Speaker 25: good for you. A lot of the olive oil and

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Speaker 25: the margarine.

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Speaker 2: Good on you. And so when you see high batter prices,

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Speaker 2: what do you think, John? You're not buying it? But

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Speaker 2: what does that make you think? Do you think it's.

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Speaker 25: I think it's good for the economy. I mean, you're

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Speaker 25: d right. It means that our farms are doing well,

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Speaker 25: so the country must be doing well somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, good that it is doing somethll somewhere. Yeah, Hi, guys,

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Speaker 2: is the stick a dairy fan here? Yes, the price

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Speaker 2: of due products are high, but nearly every service provider

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Speaker 2: and products we need on farm have also increased, which

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Speaker 2: leads to everyone's wages, et cetera and profits increasing. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure if other people's end products were at a high price,

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Speaker 2: they would be okay with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm just looking up.

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Speaker 7: I mean.

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Speaker 3: Liam Dan has written extensively about the price of buta

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Speaker 3: and the benefits for New Zealand when the dry market

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Speaker 3: internationally is so high. But I'll just read out a

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Speaker 3: little bit of his latest piece. He says, despite my

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Speaker 3: best efforts to explain the ins and outs of the

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Speaker 3: global commodity, commodity price in my inbox confirms the public

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Speaker 3: remains highly engaged about the price of butter. Did I

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Speaker 3: say engaged? Sorry? I meant in rage. I still don't

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Speaker 3: get the obsession with butter. How much of the stuff

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Speaker 3: do you actually have to use? Put some country soft

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Speaker 3: on your toast, It's fine, And then goes on to

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Speaker 3: say the commodity cycle will turn international dairy and beef

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Speaker 3: prices will eventually exactly yep, but that will mask the

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Speaker 3: real problem. It's not the food prices are two heights

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00:50:03,813 --> 00:50:06,253
Speaker 3: that wages are too low. In a perfect will, prices

1090
00:50:06,293 --> 00:50:09,253
Speaker 3: for our export commodities would stay high. New Zealand's domestic

1091
00:50:09,293 --> 00:50:11,813
Speaker 3: economy would be creating more well paid jobs and generating

1092
00:50:11,853 --> 00:50:12,373
Speaker 3: high wages.

1093
00:50:12,453 --> 00:50:15,413
Speaker 2: A man lend Dan, He's a very smart man as

1094
00:50:15,453 --> 00:50:18,853
Speaker 2: a farmer. No, no one subsidizes us for anything. We

1095
00:50:18,933 --> 00:50:21,173
Speaker 2: have finally got a good price for our dairy products.

1096
00:50:21,213 --> 00:50:23,613
Speaker 2: Just remember we are a price taker, not a price setter.

1097
00:50:24,093 --> 00:50:26,933
Speaker 2: No services from our country give us a discount trade ees,

1098
00:50:26,973 --> 00:50:29,253
Speaker 2: et cetera because it's from New Zealand, or when our

1099
00:50:29,293 --> 00:50:31,813
Speaker 2: payout is down. Just think of the millions that we

1100
00:50:31,933 --> 00:50:33,813
Speaker 2: are all paying in tax to help the country.

1101
00:50:33,933 --> 00:50:35,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, good, cool flow.

1102
00:50:35,693 --> 00:50:36,653
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

1103
00:50:37,773 --> 00:50:40,053
Speaker 18: Hi, how are you good?

1104
00:50:40,093 --> 00:50:41,493
Speaker 2: Thank you?

1105
00:50:41,573 --> 00:50:41,812
Speaker 24: Good?

1106
00:50:42,533 --> 00:50:43,653
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this float?

1107
00:50:44,893 --> 00:50:49,853
Speaker 28: Yeah, butter, there's nothing like it. It's just the tastiest, richest.

1108
00:50:50,013 --> 00:50:52,652
Speaker 28: It's just like you put it on your toast and

1109
00:50:52,733 --> 00:50:57,813
Speaker 28: it's just like green pock via a cower ow onto

1110
00:50:57,853 --> 00:51:03,613
Speaker 28: your toast and there's nothing. There's no substitute for it.

1111
00:51:03,653 --> 00:51:07,133
Speaker 28: I mean, margarine is just a tub full of chemicals.

1112
00:51:07,133 --> 00:51:10,933
Speaker 28: It's made in the lad Yeah, and we do need

1113
00:51:10,973 --> 00:51:13,533
Speaker 28: a certain a certain amount of fat in our diet,

1114
00:51:14,453 --> 00:51:15,933
Speaker 28: and it is a shame that it's gone up. I

1115
00:51:15,973 --> 00:51:17,813
Speaker 28: was quite shocked to see it was dollars the other

1116
00:51:17,853 --> 00:51:21,013
Speaker 28: week as well. But I just won't stop buying it

1117
00:51:21,053 --> 00:51:24,613
Speaker 28: because it's it's a beautiful natural product. It's you know,

1118
00:51:24,693 --> 00:51:27,173
Speaker 28: you can't you can't be asking for subsidy for the

1119
00:51:27,213 --> 00:51:31,453
Speaker 28: farmers later as that last textage, they're not asking their

1120
00:51:31,493 --> 00:51:34,213
Speaker 28: studies or anything on the farm to be subsidized. So

1121
00:51:34,973 --> 00:51:37,093
Speaker 28: you know, it's great they're actually finally getting a good

1122
00:51:37,093 --> 00:51:39,413
Speaker 28: price for their their product.

1123
00:51:39,573 --> 00:51:41,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, good on you right here.

1124
00:51:41,693 --> 00:51:44,213
Speaker 28: It means it's I overse which is a good export

1125
00:51:44,213 --> 00:51:44,893
Speaker 28: earner for us.

1126
00:51:44,933 --> 00:51:46,613
Speaker 2: So good on your flow.

1127
00:51:46,813 --> 00:51:49,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said it better myself. Yeah, I mean it

1128
00:51:49,533 --> 00:51:51,413
Speaker 3: is a great product, and with a great products, you

1129
00:51:51,493 --> 00:51:54,172
Speaker 3: pay the price for for what is a very very

1130
00:51:54,213 --> 00:51:56,053
Speaker 3: good product, and we make a lot of money on

1131
00:51:56,093 --> 00:51:57,053
Speaker 3: that product overseas.

1132
00:51:57,133 --> 00:52:00,733
Speaker 2: It's very desirable, butt it that hence the huge price

1133
00:52:00,773 --> 00:52:04,453
Speaker 2: that people people pay for it overseas. Yeah, and imagine

1134
00:52:04,693 --> 00:52:07,453
Speaker 2: can people imagine where New Zealand would be right now

1135
00:52:07,933 --> 00:52:10,093
Speaker 2: if the butter price was not good at the moment,

1136
00:52:10,493 --> 00:52:12,293
Speaker 2: if the dairy price was not going in and their

1137
00:52:12,293 --> 00:52:15,093
Speaker 2: farmers weren't making money, where would be Where would the

1138
00:52:15,133 --> 00:52:16,493
Speaker 2: bright spot be in our economy?

1139
00:52:16,613 --> 00:52:16,933
Speaker 3: Exactly?

1140
00:52:17,013 --> 00:52:20,453
Speaker 2: How did people think it works? And the idea that

1141
00:52:20,493 --> 00:52:25,133
Speaker 2: you would start government run farms, I mean just to

1142
00:52:25,173 --> 00:52:27,212
Speaker 2: make butter for us so we can so we change

1143
00:52:27,213 --> 00:52:30,253
Speaker 2: the whole system, potentially sell out our whole. Free market

1144
00:52:30,373 --> 00:52:37,292
Speaker 2: value beliefs attract the ire of other nations because we're

1145
00:52:37,333 --> 00:52:43,013
Speaker 2: gaining our own market and for what so in an

1146
00:52:43,013 --> 00:52:46,373
Speaker 2: odd era when the butter price is ridiculously high, some

1147
00:52:46,413 --> 00:52:49,933
Speaker 2: people save eight dollars a week the higher end of

1148
00:52:50,013 --> 00:52:51,453
Speaker 2: the butter users.

1149
00:52:51,573 --> 00:52:54,173
Speaker 3: It's been tried in the past and it's gone terribly

1150
00:52:54,213 --> 00:52:56,853
Speaker 3: when that has been attempted. But can you get your

1151
00:52:56,933 --> 00:52:59,212
Speaker 3: views on a one hundred and eighty and growth?

1152
00:52:59,253 --> 00:53:03,053
Speaker 2: This TEGs people that are slagging off farmers. Here watch

1153
00:53:03,093 --> 00:53:05,373
Speaker 2: Clarkson's farm you want to if you want to see.

1154
00:53:05,893 --> 00:53:07,772
Speaker 2: And I know it's it's silly and it's a guy

1155
00:53:07,813 --> 00:53:10,333
Speaker 2: that's not a real farmer, but that is a real

1156
00:53:10,373 --> 00:53:12,373
Speaker 2: eye out for what farmers actually go through.

1157
00:53:12,453 --> 00:53:14,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, the roadblocks he had to face. Right, We're going

1158
00:53:14,973 --> 00:53:16,773
Speaker 3: to take some more calls very shortly. It is twenty

1159
00:53:16,853 --> 00:53:17,533
Speaker 3: two past.

1160
00:53:17,333 --> 00:53:24,652
Speaker 1: Two Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight

1161
00:53:24,693 --> 00:53:27,973
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty on used talk ZB twenty four.

1162
00:53:27,813 --> 00:53:30,413
Speaker 3: Pasts two, and we are talking about the outrage over

1163
00:53:30,533 --> 00:53:31,333
Speaker 3: the price of butter.

1164
00:53:31,653 --> 00:53:36,013
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, best buttered chicken is PTAX three sachet buttered chicken,

1165
00:53:36,093 --> 00:53:41,653
Speaker 2: spice and sauce mix seven dollars plus chicken breast six dollars. Boom.

1166
00:53:41,773 --> 00:53:43,212
Speaker 3: That's a crafty person right there.

1167
00:53:43,293 --> 00:53:45,013
Speaker 2: But that doesn't prove my point that there's butter and

1168
00:53:45,053 --> 00:53:47,252
Speaker 2: butter chicken. Some people claiming there's no butter and butter chicken,

1169
00:53:47,293 --> 00:53:49,333
Speaker 2: that butter is just well it might not be better

1170
00:53:49,333 --> 00:53:51,813
Speaker 2: in there. Actually, yeah, I haven't looked at the side

1171
00:53:51,813 --> 00:53:52,373
Speaker 2: of patax.

1172
00:53:52,613 --> 00:53:54,893
Speaker 3: It's very good, taxi it's great. But yeah, yeah, it's

1173
00:53:54,933 --> 00:53:55,692
Speaker 3: good products.

1174
00:53:55,373 --> 00:53:57,573
Speaker 2: Great, but I wouldn't say that's making butter chicken at

1175
00:53:57,613 --> 00:54:00,613
Speaker 2: home as some of the people that've rung in before. Yeah,

1176
00:54:00,653 --> 00:54:04,692
Speaker 2: and I'm surprised before I did this up this topic today,

1177
00:54:04,733 --> 00:54:07,253
Speaker 2: I didn't expect it to be so butter chicken focused.

1178
00:54:07,613 --> 00:54:09,253
Speaker 3: A lot of people love butter of chicken way more

1179
00:54:09,293 --> 00:54:11,253
Speaker 3: than I expected made butter chicken.

1180
00:54:11,333 --> 00:54:15,093
Speaker 2: But the supplementary sort of a subsequent amount of abuse

1181
00:54:15,173 --> 00:54:17,172
Speaker 2: is just saying you love butter of chicken, saying you're

1182
00:54:17,173 --> 00:54:19,292
Speaker 2: not a real curry eater chicken.

1183
00:54:19,493 --> 00:54:21,533
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with a butter of chicken. Pick a messala,

1184
00:54:22,533 --> 00:54:25,653
Speaker 3: it's not a credible curry you do. I always go mild,

1185
00:54:26,133 --> 00:54:28,573
Speaker 3: mild butter chicken. Mine. I know what I like in

1186
00:54:28,693 --> 00:54:29,093
Speaker 3: this world.

1187
00:54:29,173 --> 00:54:32,933
Speaker 2: You are the mild butter chicken of radio Lisa. Welcome

1188
00:54:32,933 --> 00:54:33,333
Speaker 2: to the show.

1189
00:54:34,773 --> 00:54:35,733
Speaker 24: Hi, how are you today?

1190
00:54:36,133 --> 00:54:40,453
Speaker 2: Very good? Thanks for calling in today. Your thoughts, Well,

1191
00:54:40,493 --> 00:54:40,853
Speaker 2: I'll just.

1192
00:54:40,773 --> 00:54:42,613
Speaker 24: Sort of ring it and say, I mean, I understand

1193
00:54:42,613 --> 00:54:45,133
Speaker 24: that it's an easy thing to sort of suggest that

1194
00:54:46,093 --> 00:54:48,213
Speaker 24: you know, it's one item was longer than yours is.

1195
00:54:48,213 --> 00:54:48,652
Speaker 5: Of this twist.

1196
00:54:48,773 --> 00:54:51,853
Speaker 24: But when you're walking around the supermarket picking your items

1197
00:54:51,853 --> 00:54:54,533
Speaker 24: and you're kind of visually sort of remembering what they

1198
00:54:54,573 --> 00:54:57,453
Speaker 24: were six twelve months ago, that does get pretty frustrating.

1199
00:54:57,573 --> 00:55:00,013
Speaker 24: So I just sort of think that maybe butter but

1200
00:55:00,133 --> 00:55:02,013
Speaker 24: it could be the breaking points for a lot of people.

1201
00:55:02,733 --> 00:55:05,013
Speaker 24: Granted it's not part of the staple diet, but it

1202
00:55:05,093 --> 00:55:07,573
Speaker 24: is used in a lot of things. Kept lunches, et cetera.

1203
00:55:08,893 --> 00:55:11,013
Speaker 24: And when you sort of know what the composition of

1204
00:55:11,133 --> 00:55:15,613
Speaker 24: margarine is, you know, it's pretty understandable that people don't

1205
00:55:15,613 --> 00:55:18,172
Speaker 24: really want to use margarine as an alternative and it's

1206
00:55:18,173 --> 00:55:19,053
Speaker 24: pretty well plastic.

1207
00:55:19,133 --> 00:55:21,133
Speaker 2: Really, So do you do you do you get any

1208
00:55:21,213 --> 00:55:24,373
Speaker 2: sort of joy out of the fact that the high

1209
00:55:24,453 --> 00:55:28,453
Speaker 2: butter price means that we're getting good money coming into

1210
00:55:28,853 --> 00:55:30,853
Speaker 2: the country and it's helping our balance of payments.

1211
00:55:32,213 --> 00:55:34,373
Speaker 24: I think it is. I also consider as well, that

1212
00:55:35,213 --> 00:55:37,093
Speaker 24: as great as that is, when you're paying the weekly

1213
00:55:37,133 --> 00:55:39,293
Speaker 24: bills and trying to get by that you may not

1214
00:55:39,333 --> 00:55:41,293
Speaker 24: appreciate that as much as what one should.

1215
00:55:41,453 --> 00:55:44,373
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean exactly. I mean you can't blame

1216
00:55:44,413 --> 00:55:46,973
Speaker 2: people for being shocked at the price of butter. I'm

1217
00:55:47,013 --> 00:55:50,813
Speaker 2: not saying that. I just think as a as a

1218
00:55:50,853 --> 00:55:53,893
Speaker 2: thing for us to spend so much time talking about,

1219
00:55:54,213 --> 00:55:57,893
Speaker 2: and for Mikey Schuman to be haranguing a private citizen

1220
00:55:57,893 --> 00:56:00,173
Speaker 2: on the street about the price of butter. It felt

1221
00:56:00,173 --> 00:56:01,853
Speaker 2: to me. Did you ever watch that old TV show

1222
00:56:01,893 --> 00:56:02,732
Speaker 2: Eating Media Lunch?

1223
00:56:04,653 --> 00:56:05,453
Speaker 24: No, I can't say that.

1224
00:56:05,693 --> 00:56:08,093
Speaker 2: Well, it was a media show. It made fun of

1225
00:56:08,173 --> 00:56:09,973
Speaker 2: me media, but it felt like a skip from that

1226
00:56:10,013 --> 00:56:12,453
Speaker 2: show where you're just harrying go on the street like

1227
00:56:12,533 --> 00:56:15,333
Speaker 2: he's committed a crime, like he's involved in a huge scandal.

1228
00:56:15,373 --> 00:56:18,212
Speaker 2: Because because of the price of butter, how much butter

1229
00:56:18,253 --> 00:56:19,293
Speaker 2: would you use in a week.

1230
00:56:19,133 --> 00:56:22,333
Speaker 24: Lisa, Well, we use a lot in our house, so

1231
00:56:22,373 --> 00:56:24,933
Speaker 24: we buy two blocks and would use over a block,

1232
00:56:25,013 --> 00:56:28,133
Speaker 24: so one's not really enough to get us through. So

1233
00:56:28,253 --> 00:56:31,933
Speaker 24: my partner, as a coming side note, the last three

1234
00:56:31,973 --> 00:56:34,533
Speaker 24: times he cooked mashed potatoes, I thought, oh, they're pretty average,

1235
00:56:34,533 --> 00:56:38,413
Speaker 24: because he normally makes sang. And then I noticed he

1236
00:56:38,573 --> 00:56:40,493
Speaker 24: was over by the oven and he was holding all

1237
00:56:40,533 --> 00:56:44,853
Speaker 24: the sort of stuff at his potatoes, and he'd actually

1238
00:56:44,853 --> 00:56:47,133
Speaker 24: not put any in mine and was folding some butter

1239
00:56:47,133 --> 00:56:47,453
Speaker 24: into his.

1240
00:56:47,493 --> 00:56:49,693
Speaker 16: Oh my god, she's getting.

1241
00:56:49,413 --> 00:56:50,933
Speaker 24: Like I can't even have it in my blood and

1242
00:56:50,933 --> 00:56:51,533
Speaker 24: mashed potato.

1243
00:56:51,653 --> 00:56:55,453
Speaker 2: That is a scandal. That is a scandal, but a

1244
00:56:55,453 --> 00:56:58,733
Speaker 2: little but I'd be angry about that. But one of

1245
00:56:58,733 --> 00:57:01,893
Speaker 2: the best the butter is, isn't it? But the thing,

1246
00:57:01,973 --> 00:57:06,533
Speaker 2: Lisa is that points to to to effect. If when

1247
00:57:06,573 --> 00:57:10,252
Speaker 2: you think something's delicious, it's nearly always. You know, if

1248
00:57:10,293 --> 00:57:11,973
Speaker 2: you going to a restaurant, you go, why is that

1249
00:57:12,053 --> 00:57:15,133
Speaker 2: so delicious? You find it's butter. The more butter and something,

1250
00:57:15,133 --> 00:57:18,493
Speaker 2: for some reason, the more delicious it is. We freaking

1251
00:57:18,933 --> 00:57:22,493
Speaker 2: love butterh and and massed potatoes. You go, this is

1252
00:57:22,533 --> 00:57:23,533
Speaker 2: delicious messadatos.

1253
00:57:23,733 --> 00:57:26,013
Speaker 3: The amount of butter, it's more butter than potato.

1254
00:57:26,133 --> 00:57:30,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and that is what makes it so great. Yeah, absolutely, Lisa,

1255
00:57:30,653 --> 00:57:31,853
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your call. You have a

1256
00:57:31,853 --> 00:57:32,373
Speaker 2: great day.

1257
00:57:32,533 --> 00:57:33,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much.

1258
00:57:33,853 --> 00:57:35,613
Speaker 2: Chris, your thoughts on that.

1259
00:57:35,573 --> 00:57:38,973
Speaker 29: Happening was not I dealt with the farmers for close

1260
00:57:39,013 --> 00:57:41,293
Speaker 29: to fifty years. I've got some idea of cost, and

1261
00:57:41,533 --> 00:57:47,013
Speaker 29: I've got three points to make. Mikeay Sherman shows what's

1262
00:57:47,013 --> 00:57:49,013
Speaker 29: been going and what's been talked about late. We've got

1263
00:57:49,213 --> 00:57:51,933
Speaker 29: a lot of young reporters around that are a bit

1264
00:57:51,933 --> 00:57:56,053
Speaker 29: of pinnated and non experienced, and there go she she

1265
00:57:56,093 --> 00:58:00,613
Speaker 29: should be she should apologize for that. And she didn't

1266
00:58:00,613 --> 00:58:03,053
Speaker 29: even get the price right, she said, but she told

1267
00:58:03,093 --> 00:58:06,493
Speaker 29: Miles wife's butter eight dollars a kilo, walked you can

1268
00:58:06,493 --> 00:58:07,533
Speaker 29: get it for eight dollars a kilo.

1269
00:58:07,733 --> 00:58:10,213
Speaker 2: I noticed that. I was like, you're taking to God,

1270
00:58:10,613 --> 00:58:13,133
Speaker 2: you're taking two bus off there and.

1271
00:58:13,053 --> 00:58:15,253
Speaker 29: The other thing. And the second point is, hey, look,

1272
00:58:15,533 --> 00:58:19,333
Speaker 29: Nichola Willis worked for Fonterra. She worked with Myles Hurrel.

1273
00:58:19,693 --> 00:58:22,893
Speaker 29: She was she was in finance and marketing. She she

1274
00:58:23,053 --> 00:58:25,293
Speaker 29: her job was to get the best prices for Fonterra

1275
00:58:26,173 --> 00:58:29,013
Speaker 29: around the world. So in my opinion, her meeting with

1276
00:58:29,053 --> 00:58:33,653
Speaker 29: Miles is just groundstanding and it won't come to anything.

1277
00:58:34,053 --> 00:58:39,413
Speaker 29: And the third thing is, look, the CEO of Open

1278
00:58:39,453 --> 00:58:41,213
Speaker 29: Country said to Ja and McKay the other day that

1279
00:58:41,333 --> 00:58:43,813
Speaker 29: actually it's a bit of a pain. Who didn't quite

1280
00:58:43,853 --> 00:58:45,813
Speaker 29: say like that, but supplying New Zealand you can make

1281
00:58:45,853 --> 00:58:51,933
Speaker 29: more money if everything went overseas than supplying the local exactly.

1282
00:58:51,933 --> 00:58:55,453
Speaker 29: And the thing with that is, guys, is that also look,

1283
00:58:55,733 --> 00:58:59,853
Speaker 29: since the Ukraine War, the cost of your rear which

1284
00:58:59,893 --> 00:59:02,013
Speaker 29: dairy farmers use were all farmers use a lot of

1285
00:59:02,693 --> 00:59:04,253
Speaker 29: but they use a lot the cost of your rear,

1286
00:59:04,453 --> 00:59:08,213
Speaker 29: it's kind of one hundred and thirty percent, and dairy

1287
00:59:08,253 --> 00:59:12,653
Speaker 29: farmers the dairy payouts gone up about say, twenty percent

1288
00:59:12,693 --> 00:59:15,013
Speaker 29: over the last two years, and dairy farmers costs have

1289
00:59:15,013 --> 00:59:18,973
Speaker 29: gone off about anywhere between fifty and sixty average. So

1290
00:59:19,373 --> 00:59:22,533
Speaker 29: you know, you don't don't blame don't blame the farmers.

1291
00:59:22,773 --> 00:59:26,413
Speaker 29: And I guess will never know all how much finn

1292
00:59:26,453 --> 00:59:29,053
Speaker 29: tear A put on butter and cheese, and then how

1293
00:59:29,133 --> 00:59:30,893
Speaker 29: much the tooth markets put on butter and cheese because

1294
00:59:30,893 --> 00:59:32,133
Speaker 29: they'll say it's sensitive information.

1295
00:59:33,093 --> 00:59:35,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, though, I feel like it's

1296
00:59:35,813 --> 00:59:37,653
Speaker 2: one of those things where we go look over here,

1297
00:59:38,013 --> 00:59:41,813
Speaker 2: look over there, you know, and trying to make people

1298
00:59:41,853 --> 00:59:45,493
Speaker 2: to be a target of people's anger around around the butter.

1299
00:59:45,533 --> 00:59:47,573
Speaker 2: Think that's why we're having meetings when we all know

1300
00:59:47,613 --> 00:59:50,293
Speaker 2: that they can't change the situation without changing the law

1301
00:59:51,093 --> 00:59:53,413
Speaker 2: or you know, changing our ethos. Is the country when

1302
00:59:53,453 --> 00:59:55,733
Speaker 2: it comes to trading, we have to export, and we

1303
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Speaker 2: have to export well, and we have to go into

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Speaker 2: negotiations and say we're a free market or else why

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Speaker 2: would they do it? So, you know, if we start

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Speaker 2: subsidizing butter at home or taking gst off at all

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Speaker 2: these things that people are suggesting, then over the people

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Speaker 2: we trade with will say, you're putting a tariff on

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Speaker 2: on on on butter, and then we won't be in

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Speaker 2: the condition we are, which what we're trying to go

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Speaker 2: out to wood and go, let us sell your butter,

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Speaker 2: let us sell you butter, let us let us into

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Speaker 2: your market, and these people go, we don't want you

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Speaker 2: to make it. You're so good at making butter, that's

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Speaker 2: that you'll destroy our our market. So it's a it's

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Speaker 2: a way more complex issue than Nikola Willis going up

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Speaker 2: and saying, hey, can we lower the price of butter.

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Speaker 2: It's not it doesn't really work like that doesn't well.

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Speaker 29: It's not just batter. I mean, cheese has gone through

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Speaker 29: the room too, and and and do we want to

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Speaker 29: go We don't want to go back to Muldoon's days.

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Speaker 29: We'll have that little red shield. You remember Max of retail.

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Speaker 3: Price, right, Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, I mean we don't remember that you.

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Speaker 2: I just listened to this fantastic podcast on that whole

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Speaker 2: nine and eighty four election and what was happening when

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Speaker 2: they opened up the box and they went, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: when we were stockpiling butter. Yeah, crazy, that's no real difference. Look,

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Speaker 2: we were just stockpiling butter back then and just letting

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Speaker 2: it go off to keep the prices up for farmers

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Speaker 2: and farmers who had had you know, we have in

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Speaker 2: a great position selling butter and lamb and everything to

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Speaker 2: the UK, and then they joined the EU and then

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Speaker 2: we were in this problem. So we kept buying it,

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Speaker 2: but it's not much difference if we start changing the

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Speaker 2: rules so it's cheaper in New Zealand. It's essentially the

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Speaker 2: same thing as what muldown was doing and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: lead to good outcomes for our economy. Hey, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for you called Chris, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Great discussion. Thank you very much. We've had hundreds and hundreds,

1341
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Speaker 3: almost thousands of techs and so many phone calls, full boards,

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Speaker 3: but we are going to change up. After the headlines,

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Speaker 3: I'll just say one thing.

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Speaker 2: It's funny for someone to say that Mikey Schuman is

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Speaker 2: a young journalist though she's got I think she's got

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Speaker 2: six kids. I think she's a mother of six. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and she's been in the business for seventeen years, so

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Speaker 2: you can't blame it. Blame her hastling. Miles Hurell on

1349
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Speaker 2: being a young journalist, she've.

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Speaker 3: Been around a long time. Yeah, yeah, right, thank you

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Speaker 3: very much. So after the headlines, we want to chat

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Speaker 3: about Ozzy Osborne. The sad news that broke this morning

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Speaker 3: that he passed away at the age of seventy six.

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Speaker 3: So what is the legacy of Ozzy Osbourne? If you've

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Speaker 3: seen him live in concert. I love to hear your

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Speaker 3: stories on O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's

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Speaker 3: twenty seven to three.

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Speaker 2: And look, I need to share the story. I need

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Speaker 2: to get off my chest. I saw Ozzy Osbourne kill

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Speaker 2: someone will in Camden, JAPS in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be good. That's coming up.

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Speaker 21: You talk said the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis. It's

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Speaker 21: no trouble with a Blue Bubble.

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Speaker 10: A car is.

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Speaker 21: Crashed through a roadside barrier onto train tracks and Wellington,

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Speaker 21: forcing services to be suspended with pottydoer. A train hit

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Speaker 21: the vehicle just after one, but the driver was helped

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Speaker 21: out in time and has minor injuries. Glenside's Middleton Road

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Speaker 21: remains closed. Hawk's Bay Hospital is locked down and a

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Speaker 21: nearby school with armed police looking into reports of a

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Speaker 21: person acting suspiciously on the grounds. Police A pipe bombs

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Speaker 21: found near a dead man next to Auckland Southern Motorway

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Speaker 21: yesterday were capable of causing deadly harm. A ninety thousand

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Speaker 21: strong petition to restore pay equity claims has been presented

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Speaker 21: to Parliament, accepted by Labour MP Jantinetti. The government rushed

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01:03:22,933 --> 01:03:28,053
Speaker 21: through legislation under urgency extinguishing claims and raising the threshold.

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Speaker 21: Police are asking for CCTV or dash cam footage after

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Speaker 21: a burglary spree on Almiaro Street in Queenstown's Frankton on

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Speaker 21: July eighteen, causing seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars damage.

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Speaker 21: How the government slies two hundred million dollars of the

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Speaker 21: cost of the New ycut Or Medical School. You can

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Speaker 21: see the full analysis It ends at Herald Premium mack

1383
01:03:52,773 --> 01:03:55,133
Speaker 21: Now to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Ray Lang So sad news that

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Speaker 3: broke this morning in New Zealand. Ozzy Osborne Howling, singer,

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01:04:02,293 --> 01:04:05,093
Speaker 3: mad cap showmen and self anointed Prince of Darkness who

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Speaker 3: helped pioneer heavy metals, thunderous air splitting sound as the

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01:04:08,013 --> 01:04:12,013
Speaker 3: front for Black Sabbath, passed away. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What a great performer. Was a unique individual, pretty crazy

1390
01:04:17,213 --> 01:04:19,813
Speaker 2: at times, shuffling around, had his problems with addiction, that

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01:04:19,973 --> 01:04:25,493
Speaker 2: is absolutely for sure. I thought this X this post

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01:04:25,493 --> 01:04:28,053
Speaker 2: from Piers Morgan was pretty good. If I he could

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01:04:28,053 --> 01:04:31,333
Speaker 2: have scripted his final finale from this planet, he'd have

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01:04:31,413 --> 01:04:33,573
Speaker 2: chosen to be performing live back in his hometown with

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Speaker 2: his old band supporter backstage by Sharon and their children.

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Speaker 2: It was the perfect ending to an incredible career and

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Speaker 2: an incredible life. Yeah, the fact that he managed to

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Speaker 2: perform so well just so close to Seeth is incredible.

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Speaker 2: I loved this from Adam Sander as well, because Ozzie

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Speaker 2: Osmond was global. People loved Black Sabbath globally, and then

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01:04:52,813 --> 01:04:56,453
Speaker 2: he had this huge solo career with fantastic songs like

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01:04:56,493 --> 01:05:01,933
Speaker 2: Crazy Train and Mama arm Coming Home. Whether we were

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01:05:01,973 --> 01:05:05,013
Speaker 2: in our basements with our brothers, this is Adam Sandler

1404
01:05:05,013 --> 01:05:07,173
Speaker 2: in the woods with our buddies, in the car, at

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01:05:07,213 --> 01:05:10,613
Speaker 2: Keig parties, on a boat, at a football practice, had

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01:05:10,613 --> 01:05:13,373
Speaker 2: a sleepover. Nobody was more bad ass to crank up

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01:05:13,373 --> 01:05:15,813
Speaker 2: on our speakers than the one and only Prince of Darkness.

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Speaker 2: Ozzie Osbourne. Loved him a lot like we all did,

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01:05:18,573 --> 01:05:20,413
Speaker 2: sending love to the family and so happy to have

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Speaker 2: spent time with the legend himself. Rip I was watching

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Speaker 2: a bunch of Ozzie Osbourne footage today and he was

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Speaker 2: the hugest Beatles fan in the world. He just absolutely

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01:05:29,013 --> 01:05:31,813
Speaker 2: loved the Beatles. I mean, Ozzie was from Birmingham and

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01:05:31,853 --> 01:05:33,973
Speaker 2: they were from Liverpool. There's a bit of a back

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01:05:34,013 --> 01:05:36,053
Speaker 2: and forth between those two cities. But Ozzie just grew

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01:05:36,173 --> 01:05:39,133
Speaker 2: up absolutely loving the Beatles. And this footage of the

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Speaker 2: first time he met Paul McCartney and he was just

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Speaker 2: a little fanboy and Paul McCartney was so great when

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Speaker 2: Pau McCartney knew all about Ozzy Osbourne and they had this

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Speaker 2: moment back and forth and just what it meant to

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Speaker 2: Ozzie and this mutual respect that he didn't expect to

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01:05:53,893 --> 01:05:56,413
Speaker 2: get back because Ozzie OsmAnd maybe a big star, but

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Speaker 2: he was a humble guy. And for Paul McCartney to

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01:05:59,173 --> 01:06:02,053
Speaker 2: just think so highly of Ozzie and Ozzie finally meeting him.

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Speaker 2: I was watching this and it actually I got tears

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Speaker 2: in my eyes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lovely moment.

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01:06:07,293 --> 01:06:11,813
Speaker 2: Just such an absolutelutely beautiful, beautiful, full moment.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that was part of his charm writers his

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01:06:14,293 --> 01:06:18,973
Speaker 3: personality and very very funny man and very outrageous and colorful,

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Speaker 3: but a very intelligent guy clearly and as you say,

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Speaker 3: humble and look I said this before we started the show,

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Speaker 3: that my first real acknowledgment of Ozzy Osbourne and it

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01:06:30,813 --> 01:06:33,773
Speaker 3: sounds trite to say, but it's the truth. Was the show,

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Speaker 3: the reality TV show, The Osborne's And I remember as

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01:06:36,373 --> 01:06:38,453
Speaker 3: a young kid watching that and it was like nothing

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01:06:38,493 --> 01:06:41,013
Speaker 3: I'd ever seen in my life. But I was riveted

1438
01:06:41,733 --> 01:06:45,933
Speaker 3: on on this guy, this rock star, this rock god

1439
01:06:46,053 --> 01:06:48,053
Speaker 3: who looked like a bit of a zombie and he

1440
01:06:48,133 --> 01:06:50,013
Speaker 3: kind of zoned in and out and he got upset

1441
01:06:50,093 --> 01:06:53,733
Speaker 3: with TV remotes and yelling at his dog and his kids.

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01:06:54,013 --> 01:06:55,893
Speaker 3: I mean, it was fantastic. And then I started to

1443
01:06:55,973 --> 01:06:58,613
Speaker 3: learn about Ozzy Osbourne and the bad incident and then

1444
01:06:58,653 --> 01:07:01,733
Speaker 3: his music and the whole picture of the guy an

1445
01:07:01,773 --> 01:07:02,613
Speaker 3: absolute icon.

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01:07:03,213 --> 01:07:06,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very different because I came from this world

1447
01:07:06,653 --> 01:07:09,853
Speaker 2: that absolutely worshiped Black Sabbath. And I used to wear

1448
01:07:09,893 --> 01:07:12,133
Speaker 2: this T shirt that said listen to Black Sabbath. And

1449
01:07:12,213 --> 01:07:14,213
Speaker 2: I was in the UK once and I was going

1450
01:07:14,213 --> 01:07:18,173
Speaker 2: along to an Ozzy Osborne concert and I was wearing

1451
01:07:18,173 --> 01:07:20,613
Speaker 2: this T shirt and this guy came with this massive

1452
01:07:20,613 --> 01:07:22,973
Speaker 2: guy came up to me, quite threatening, he said, because

1453
01:07:22,973 --> 01:07:25,253
Speaker 2: it became quite a fashion thing to listen to the

1454
01:07:25,413 --> 01:07:27,853
Speaker 2: to wear they listen to Black Sabbath T shirt. Yeah,

1455
01:07:28,053 --> 01:07:29,413
Speaker 2: you know, just in the same way as a lot

1456
01:07:29,413 --> 01:07:31,693
Speaker 2: of people that wear LA hats aren't Dodgers fans or

1457
01:07:32,053 --> 01:07:34,653
Speaker 2: you know, or Yankees hats, aren't you Yankees fans. You know,

1458
01:07:34,733 --> 01:07:38,933
Speaker 2: there's these people that sell more merch, then you're not

1459
01:07:38,933 --> 01:07:41,053
Speaker 2: necessarily a fan. So this guy came up to me

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01:07:41,133 --> 01:07:46,093
Speaker 2: and he said to me, if you listen to Black Subbath,

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Speaker 2: name their first three albums, jump up here.

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Speaker 3: It's nicely done.

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Speaker 2: And I went Black Sebbath, paranoid master of Reality, sir.

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Speaker 2: And he goes okay, then, like like he was the

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01:07:59,693 --> 01:08:03,533
Speaker 2: gatekeeper at this concert. I was like, Wow, I wonder

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01:08:03,533 --> 01:08:05,133
Speaker 2: what have happened If I hadn't been having a name

1467
01:08:05,773 --> 01:08:08,013
Speaker 2: name the first three Black Sebbath albums.

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Speaker 3: He might have taken a oh eight, one hundred eighty

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01:08:10,013 --> 01:08:10,533
Speaker 3: ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: But also for me, my first album with my band

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Speaker 2: we called a Brown Sap. Yeah, and in honor of

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01:08:18,253 --> 01:08:21,692
Speaker 2: Black Sabbath. That's it all but just an incredible sound

1473
01:08:21,733 --> 01:08:23,973
Speaker 2: for when they recorded it. So many songs and they

1474
01:08:24,013 --> 01:08:26,852
Speaker 2: just inspire you to play your guitar. Black Zabbath Tony

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01:08:26,893 --> 01:08:30,293
Speaker 2: Iomi and the fact that Ozzie mainly just sang the

1476
01:08:30,333 --> 01:08:34,732
Speaker 2: basslines really really drilled the songs into your head and

1477
01:08:34,772 --> 01:08:36,812
Speaker 2: it was it was a form of metal coming from

1478
01:08:36,812 --> 01:08:41,572
Speaker 2: these just incredible, these talented, working class guys that just

1479
01:08:41,572 --> 01:08:44,652
Speaker 2: just shook the world. And then you know, as I say,

1480
01:08:44,692 --> 01:08:47,652
Speaker 2: his solo career, when Sharon Osborne started managing him and

1481
01:08:47,652 --> 01:08:50,133
Speaker 2: then having this whole other thing. Is this reality star

1482
01:08:50,213 --> 01:08:53,532
Speaker 2: one of the first really huge reality stars, just because

1483
01:08:53,572 --> 01:08:56,412
Speaker 2: he was so funny and drug eddel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3: number to call. What is the legacy of Ozzy Osborne?

1486
01:09:02,053 --> 01:09:04,093
Speaker 3: Love to hear your memories if you've gone to the

1487
01:09:04,133 --> 01:09:06,892
Speaker 3: concert the first time you came across their music, really

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01:09:06,973 --> 01:09:08,572
Speaker 3: can to never check with you on eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to share that story about when

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01:09:12,372 --> 01:09:15,693
Speaker 2: I saw Ozioso and killer Man and Camda Controversial.

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Speaker 3: That's coming up seventeen to three.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons call,

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Speaker 1: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon TOI. It is a quarter

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Speaker 3: two three and we're talking about the passing of Ozzy Osbourne,

1497
01:09:32,452 --> 01:09:36,932
Speaker 3: absolute icon, trailblazer, a huge personality. He'd love to hear

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01:09:37,013 --> 01:09:39,652
Speaker 3: your stories and thoughts about Ozzy Osborne. I eighte hundred

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01:09:39,652 --> 01:09:41,412
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty ian.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. So you've spent some time with

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Speaker 2: Ozzy Osbourne.

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Speaker 12: Very very briefly in the year the late nineties. I

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01:09:49,213 --> 01:09:53,772
Speaker 12: was aspiring sound engineer. I was working up at Student

1504
01:09:53,893 --> 01:09:58,572
Speaker 12: Radio ninety five BFM and under the tutelage of the

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01:09:58,652 --> 01:10:02,013
Speaker 12: local engineer there, and he he came in after an

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01:10:02,053 --> 01:10:04,372
Speaker 12: interview I think on the radio and doing some station idea.

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01:10:04,372 --> 01:10:07,692
Speaker 12: It's basically you oday, this is Ozzy Osbourne. You're listening

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01:10:07,732 --> 01:10:09,452
Speaker 12: to ninety five bit of him. And he did a

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Speaker 12: couple of IDs for the station, which took him about

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01:10:11,812 --> 01:10:16,692
Speaker 12: five or six goes, under much direction from the creative

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01:10:16,732 --> 01:10:20,492
Speaker 12: director as well. And then once we sort of battled

1512
01:10:20,492 --> 01:10:22,492
Speaker 12: our way through that, he had to do an ID

1513
01:10:22,612 --> 01:10:25,572
Speaker 12: for the heavy Metal Show, which was the hard Fast

1514
01:10:25,572 --> 01:10:28,093
Speaker 12: and Heavy Show Great Show which dot com. That took

1515
01:10:28,372 --> 01:10:29,372
Speaker 12: quite a few goes as well.

1516
01:10:30,933 --> 01:10:32,852
Speaker 2: And what was he like as an individual while he

1517
01:10:32,933 --> 01:10:35,333
Speaker 2: was trying to get through this idea and he must

1518
01:10:35,372 --> 01:10:37,652
Speaker 2: have done that all around the world, just struggled to

1519
01:10:37,652 --> 01:10:38,772
Speaker 2: get through station IDs.

1520
01:10:38,812 --> 01:10:42,213
Speaker 12: But what kind of like kind of like watching your

1521
01:10:42,612 --> 01:10:45,013
Speaker 12: dad and your grandfather set up a VCR for the

1522
01:10:45,013 --> 01:10:49,013
Speaker 12: first time in the eighties. Really, but you know, he

1523
01:10:48,572 --> 01:10:51,892
Speaker 12: has had a very sort of workmanlike attitude to the

1524
01:10:51,893 --> 01:10:53,892
Speaker 12: whole thing, very sort of working class. But it's just

1525
01:10:54,013 --> 01:10:58,133
Speaker 12: lovely fella. Yeah, and you know, actually no ego, no

1526
01:10:58,253 --> 01:11:01,812
Speaker 12: pretense at all, to be honest, and came and shot

1527
01:11:01,812 --> 01:11:04,213
Speaker 12: a hand, said gooday, and sort of that was it. Really,

1528
01:11:04,253 --> 01:11:06,852
Speaker 12: that was That was what I remember, But he I did,

1529
01:11:06,893 --> 01:11:09,892
Speaker 12: so he probably didn't remember too long after the interaction,

1530
01:11:10,013 --> 01:11:11,253
Speaker 12: to be honest, just stunch.

1531
01:11:11,572 --> 01:11:12,972
Speaker 3: Did he have sharing with them?

1532
01:11:14,093 --> 01:11:17,412
Speaker 12: No notice that A couple of minders, I think wanted

1533
01:11:17,412 --> 01:11:17,932
Speaker 12: a better word.

1534
01:11:18,093 --> 01:11:21,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember when I went to see Black

1535
01:11:21,812 --> 01:11:24,293
Speaker 2: Sabbath at the spucketing there a few years ago, and

1536
01:11:24,372 --> 01:11:29,173
Speaker 2: there was a press conference beforehand, and Ozzy Osborne turned

1537
01:11:29,253 --> 01:11:32,572
Speaker 2: up at the press conference and he was just slurring

1538
01:11:32,612 --> 01:11:34,492
Speaker 2: and not answering, didn't seem to know where he was

1539
01:11:34,572 --> 01:11:38,093
Speaker 2: and it was quite odd. But then when he hit

1540
01:11:38,133 --> 01:11:40,852
Speaker 2: stage he just lit up. And that night he was

1541
01:11:40,933 --> 01:11:44,532
Speaker 2: just so fantastic on stage getting things together. I mean,

1542
01:11:44,612 --> 01:11:46,692
Speaker 2: as moves were just sort of shuffling around and clapping

1543
01:11:46,732 --> 01:11:49,333
Speaker 2: his hands as he always does things along exactly at

1544
01:11:49,333 --> 01:11:52,452
Speaker 2: the baseline. But it was just such a performance and

1545
01:11:53,253 --> 01:11:55,213
Speaker 2: I was thinking the same thing. He was just didn't

1546
01:11:55,213 --> 01:11:59,093
Speaker 2: really care about the press conference. But as a you know,

1547
01:11:59,093 --> 01:12:01,612
Speaker 2: people probably don't understand this, but he had something. There

1548
01:12:01,652 --> 01:12:04,213
Speaker 2: was a magnetism to him that made him such a

1549
01:12:04,253 --> 01:12:07,253
Speaker 2: great front man. It's that how humbly he was, how

1550
01:12:07,333 --> 01:12:09,293
Speaker 2: much he cared that the audience enjoyed it, how much

1551
01:12:09,333 --> 01:12:12,012
Speaker 2: he put in. It was sort of this working class,

1552
01:12:13,013 --> 01:12:15,213
Speaker 2: you know, esthetic where he was going to give you

1553
01:12:15,213 --> 01:12:15,932
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.

1554
01:12:16,893 --> 01:12:19,213
Speaker 12: Yeah, and I think that the joy was genuine. I

1555
01:12:19,253 --> 01:12:21,173
Speaker 12: was actually at the same show as about ten years

1556
01:12:21,213 --> 01:12:22,093
Speaker 12: ago at Spark, was it.

1557
01:12:22,253 --> 01:12:24,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I.

1558
01:12:24,612 --> 01:12:26,692
Speaker 12: Didn't really expect much. I thought, oh, this could be

1559
01:12:26,732 --> 01:12:29,213
Speaker 12: a bit little bit embarrassing. Yeah, he came out and

1560
01:12:29,213 --> 01:12:31,133
Speaker 12: actually delivered and hit all the notes, and I was

1561
01:12:31,652 --> 01:12:33,772
Speaker 12: very impressed with it all and felt that it was

1562
01:12:34,492 --> 01:12:36,572
Speaker 12: completely genuine and none of it was I mean, it

1563
01:12:36,612 --> 01:12:38,852
Speaker 12: was stage but not you know, to the letter.

1564
01:12:38,973 --> 01:12:39,213
Speaker 16: Really.

1565
01:12:39,333 --> 01:12:42,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was something pretty genuine about it. And I

1566
01:12:42,093 --> 01:12:43,612
Speaker 2: can't remember it was drumming at the time there, but

1567
01:12:43,652 --> 01:12:45,933
Speaker 2: it was about a twenty five minute drum solo that

1568
01:12:45,973 --> 01:12:47,173
Speaker 2: was pretty good as well. At one point.

1569
01:12:48,013 --> 01:12:49,612
Speaker 12: Yeah, one of those ones where you go and get

1570
01:12:49,612 --> 01:12:50,012
Speaker 12: your beers.

1571
01:12:50,772 --> 01:12:53,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasn't obviously not the original drummer.

1572
01:12:53,772 --> 01:12:55,293
Speaker 2: But I thank you so much for you call in.

1573
01:12:55,492 --> 01:12:56,253
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

1574
01:12:56,333 --> 01:12:58,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a story. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1575
01:12:58,652 --> 01:13:01,213
Speaker 3: is the number to call the legacy of Ozzy Osbourne.

1576
01:13:01,372 --> 01:13:03,333
Speaker 3: Keen to get your thoughts and if you've been to

1577
01:13:03,372 --> 01:13:05,412
Speaker 3: his concert or you've met the man, give us a

1578
01:13:05,412 --> 01:13:07,012
Speaker 3: buzz i. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1579
01:13:07,173 --> 01:13:11,452
Speaker 2: That's right. Were the Naduwahia Festival in nineteen seventy two.

1580
01:13:11,372 --> 01:13:12,173
Speaker 3: That would have been amazing.

1581
01:13:12,253 --> 01:13:15,293
Speaker 2: I've heard some great stories from from Tim Finnan's but

1582
01:13:15,412 --> 01:13:17,573
Speaker 2: the ends we're playing with Black seven.

1583
01:13:17,772 --> 01:13:18,652
Speaker 3: That would have been amazing.

1584
01:13:18,652 --> 01:13:22,572
Speaker 2: I've heard some great stories. Yeah, and I'll punish everyone

1585
01:13:22,612 --> 01:13:25,692
Speaker 2: with my my Ozzie Kilderman and Camden story next that

1586
01:13:25,732 --> 01:13:29,333
Speaker 2: has come out ten eighty Ozzie Osborne, what is his legacy?

1587
01:13:30,772 --> 01:13:33,133
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1588
01:13:33,253 --> 01:13:36,732
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News

1589
01:13:36,812 --> 01:13:37,572
Speaker 1: Talks EDB.

1590
01:13:39,333 --> 01:13:41,412
Speaker 3: News Talks B. We have been talking about the passing

1591
01:13:41,452 --> 01:13:44,133
Speaker 3: of Ozzy Osbourne. Now Matt there are so many ticks

1592
01:13:44,173 --> 01:13:46,932
Speaker 3: coming in saying, Matt for goodness sake, tell your story

1593
01:13:47,253 --> 01:13:50,253
Speaker 3: about the time that Ozzy Osbourne took a life.

1594
01:13:50,333 --> 01:13:55,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I've been I've been exaggerating a little bit.

1595
01:13:55,253 --> 01:13:58,772
Speaker 2: So I was over working in television in London. I

1596
01:13:58,772 --> 01:14:01,213
Speaker 2: was staying in a hotel in Camden and it was

1597
01:14:01,253 --> 01:14:04,532
Speaker 2: a very raucous evening, both raucous in one way and

1598
01:14:04,532 --> 01:14:06,213
Speaker 2: also raucus weather wise.

1599
01:14:06,333 --> 01:14:06,532
Speaker 3: Yep.

1600
01:14:06,973 --> 01:14:10,133
Speaker 2: And I was woke up in the morning and but

1601
01:14:10,293 --> 01:14:12,173
Speaker 2: Dusty and I was steering at the window of my

1602
01:14:12,213 --> 01:14:17,213
Speaker 2: hotel at this big Ozzy Osbourne, this massive Ossy Osbourne

1603
01:14:17,253 --> 01:14:20,612
Speaker 2: billboard advertising the Osbourne's the show, and it said on it,

1604
01:14:20,652 --> 01:14:22,572
Speaker 2: if you want to be a rebel, don't get a tattoo.

1605
01:14:22,933 --> 01:14:25,652
Speaker 2: Everyone has a tattoo these days. That was then had

1606
01:14:25,652 --> 01:14:27,093
Speaker 2: a picture of him, and I was watching that, and

1607
01:14:27,133 --> 01:14:30,732
Speaker 2: then I watched the billboard start to wabble, and I'm thinking,

1608
01:14:30,732 --> 01:14:33,492
Speaker 2: they're Ozzie Osborne. You know, I've followed Black Sabbath my

1609
01:14:33,492 --> 01:14:36,133
Speaker 2: whole life. This is pretty interesting. It's pretty exciting, and

1610
01:14:36,173 --> 01:14:38,772
Speaker 2: how weird it is that he is now a reality

1611
01:14:38,812 --> 01:14:42,053
Speaker 2: TV star And then there is this huge gust and

1612
01:14:42,133 --> 01:14:45,372
Speaker 2: the billboard comes off and it slams down onto the

1613
01:14:45,452 --> 01:14:48,812
Speaker 2: road and there's a guy crossing the road, this homeless guy,

1614
01:14:49,293 --> 01:14:52,253
Speaker 2: and it goes smack down on top of the guy's

1615
01:14:52,293 --> 01:14:54,972
Speaker 2: head right right in front of me, like four stories

1616
01:14:55,013 --> 01:14:57,293
Speaker 2: below and kills the man.

1617
01:14:58,293 --> 01:14:58,612
Speaker 3: Rat.

1618
01:14:59,452 --> 01:15:03,412
Speaker 2: So I'm watching this going an absolute horror. I don't

1619
01:15:03,452 --> 01:15:06,573
Speaker 2: know what is going on. I'm yelling this double glass,

1620
01:15:06,933 --> 01:15:11,692
Speaker 2: double glazing. People come out of nowhere. There's luckily there's

1621
01:15:11,692 --> 01:15:14,532
Speaker 2: a policeman there. They take the sign off the sky

1622
01:15:14,572 --> 01:15:18,973
Speaker 2: and then then the ambulance comes along and I'm just

1623
01:15:18,973 --> 01:15:22,133
Speaker 2: standing there going, this is the craziest thing that's ever

1624
01:15:22,173 --> 01:15:25,452
Speaker 2: happened in the history of my life. I mean, I

1625
01:15:25,492 --> 01:15:28,333
Speaker 2: don't didn't know the homeless man, so definitely a big

1626
01:15:28,372 --> 01:15:29,013
Speaker 2: incident for him.

1627
01:15:29,093 --> 01:15:32,412
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. So you're sitting there Dusty as all, how

1628
01:15:32,532 --> 01:15:35,173
Speaker 3: just thinking about oh man, Ozzy Osborne, he's a big

1629
01:15:35,213 --> 01:15:36,852
Speaker 3: TV star now boom Yeah.

1630
01:15:36,893 --> 01:15:38,532
Speaker 2: And I was thinking how cool is that it takes

1631
01:15:38,612 --> 01:15:41,253
Speaker 2: up the entire view outside of my hotel window. And

1632
01:15:41,293 --> 01:15:44,333
Speaker 2: then later on I was thinking, why isn't this making

1633
01:15:44,452 --> 01:15:49,173
Speaker 2: national news? Because and Ossie Osborne board flattening a person

1634
01:15:49,253 --> 01:15:50,293
Speaker 2: on Camden.

1635
01:15:49,933 --> 01:15:53,133
Speaker 3: Road be huge? How low do you get yourself into

1636
01:15:53,173 --> 01:15:53,893
Speaker 3: these situations.

1637
01:15:53,893 --> 01:15:54,053
Speaker 7: Mate.

1638
01:15:54,093 --> 01:15:55,812
Speaker 3: That's a great story, Gotty.

1639
01:15:56,532 --> 01:15:58,253
Speaker 2: You had a bit of Ossie at your wedding.

1640
01:15:59,772 --> 01:16:02,492
Speaker 26: Yeah, I did, yeh.

1641
01:16:02,532 --> 01:16:03,972
Speaker 14: Do you know the song I Just Want You?

1642
01:16:04,293 --> 01:16:04,452
Speaker 12: Ah?

1643
01:16:04,532 --> 01:16:05,133
Speaker 2: Yes, I do?

1644
01:16:06,572 --> 01:16:07,093
Speaker 9: Yeah, yes.

1645
01:16:07,253 --> 01:16:10,572
Speaker 14: So we got married in ninety nine at the stunning

1646
01:16:10,612 --> 01:16:14,933
Speaker 14: Wapoon of Lodge, Oh lovely and yeah, and that was

1647
01:16:15,293 --> 01:16:18,412
Speaker 14: our wedding waltz and the DJ was I don't I

1648
01:16:18,412 --> 01:16:19,612
Speaker 14: can't remember the DJ's name, but.

1649
01:16:19,572 --> 01:16:20,253
Speaker 26: He went on to be an.

1650
01:16:20,173 --> 01:16:24,492
Speaker 14: Auckland City councilor. And I've never played Ozzie as the

1651
01:16:24,572 --> 01:16:25,572
Speaker 14: wedding waltz before.

1652
01:16:27,013 --> 01:16:28,732
Speaker 2: So were you a big Aussie fan or was that

1653
01:16:28,853 --> 01:16:30,412
Speaker 2: just one song that you really loved?

1654
01:16:31,372 --> 01:16:31,532
Speaker 22: No?

1655
01:16:31,532 --> 01:16:33,612
Speaker 14: No, no, I've always been a big Gausie fan. I've seen

1656
01:16:33,652 --> 01:16:36,452
Speaker 14: him twice, twice by himself and once the Sabbath, same

1657
01:16:36,452 --> 01:16:37,532
Speaker 14: show you were talking about.

1658
01:16:39,973 --> 01:16:40,213
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1659
01:16:40,333 --> 01:16:40,492
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1660
01:16:40,652 --> 01:16:42,892
Speaker 26: My thoughts today are sort of going out.

1661
01:16:42,772 --> 01:16:45,852
Speaker 14: To my friend the professor who introduced me to Sabbath,

1662
01:16:45,853 --> 01:16:47,772
Speaker 14: who's a BIGFM alumni.

1663
01:16:47,692 --> 01:16:50,933
Speaker 2: The professor. What a great New Zealand. Hey, thanks so

1664
01:16:51,013 --> 01:16:52,652
Speaker 2: much for your call, Scotty. We've got to go just

1665
01:16:52,853 --> 01:16:56,132
Speaker 2: quickly give you to my top five Black Sabbath songs

1666
01:16:56,213 --> 01:17:00,053
Speaker 2: Yep to finish Warpegs from ninety seventy, you got paranoid

1667
01:17:00,492 --> 01:17:04,772
Speaker 2: killing yourself to love iron Man from nineteen seventy and

1668
01:17:04,973 --> 01:17:12,213
Speaker 2: this because just because it's an emotion, one changes or

1669
01:17:12,372 --> 01:17:16,133
Speaker 2: beautiful song. He's a great singer, yeah, and a great

1670
01:17:16,213 --> 01:17:24,293
Speaker 2: man a r I p Ozzie Osborne lasting by now

1671
01:17:24,452 --> 01:17:29,653
Speaker 2: all my days I'll building.

1672
01:17:32,812 --> 01:17:32,852
Speaker 6: It.

1673
01:17:33,213 --> 01:17:35,012
Speaker 1: I can go back.

1674
01:17:37,333 --> 01:17:38,572
Speaker 4: And chaste.

1675
01:18:25,452 --> 01:18:29,732
Speaker 1: Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk It's Mattie

1676
01:18:29,973 --> 01:18:35,372
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Save very good afternoons.

1677
01:18:35,452 --> 01:18:37,972
Speaker 3: You welcome back into the program. Six pass too great

1678
01:18:38,053 --> 01:18:40,852
Speaker 3: to have your company. As always, this is going to

1679
01:18:40,893 --> 01:18:43,572
Speaker 3: be a great chat. So one would imagine three time

1680
01:18:43,692 --> 01:18:47,572
Speaker 3: major champions Scottie Scheffler would be desperate to continue domination

1681
01:18:47,692 --> 01:18:49,772
Speaker 3: of the British Open, and he went on to lift

1682
01:18:49,812 --> 01:18:52,133
Speaker 3: the cleric joke for the first time this week at

1683
01:18:52,213 --> 01:18:55,452
Speaker 3: Royal Port, Russia, Northern Ireland. But speaking to the media

1684
01:18:56,093 --> 01:18:59,333
Speaker 3: after that competition, he went on, of course to win it,

1685
01:18:59,412 --> 01:19:02,972
Speaker 3: but he was asked about how he celebrates his victories,

1686
01:19:03,293 --> 01:19:07,412
Speaker 3: and an introspective answer from Scheffler vered off into questioning

1687
01:19:07,492 --> 01:19:09,692
Speaker 3: what was even the point of being the best golfer

1688
01:19:09,732 --> 01:19:10,133
Speaker 3: in the world.

1689
01:19:10,452 --> 01:19:12,772
Speaker 23: It feels like you work your whole life to celebrate

1690
01:19:13,973 --> 01:19:16,532
Speaker 23: winning a tournament for like a few minutes. It only

1691
01:19:16,652 --> 01:19:19,692
Speaker 23: lasts a few minutes, that kind of euphoric feeling. And

1692
01:19:19,933 --> 01:19:22,173
Speaker 23: I like to win the Byron Nelson Championship at home.

1693
01:19:22,372 --> 01:19:24,612
Speaker 23: I literally worked my entire life to become good at

1694
01:19:24,612 --> 01:19:27,293
Speaker 23: golf to have an opportunity to win that tournament. And

1695
01:19:27,812 --> 01:19:30,652
Speaker 23: you win it, you celebrate, get to hug, hug my family,

1696
01:19:30,772 --> 01:19:33,253
Speaker 23: my sister's there. It's such an amazing moment, and then

1697
01:19:33,293 --> 01:19:36,532
Speaker 23: it's like, Okay, now what are we gonna eat for dinner?

1698
01:19:37,253 --> 01:19:39,933
Speaker 3: Such a rare insight from a professional athlete, and I

1699
01:19:39,973 --> 01:19:40,973
Speaker 3: imagine that's the feeling of.

1700
01:19:40,973 --> 01:19:41,412
Speaker 13: A lot of them.

1701
01:19:41,532 --> 01:19:44,213
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of an athlete say that, say

1702
01:19:44,253 --> 01:19:48,652
Speaker 2: something like that, and it's very philosophical, it's interesting, and

1703
01:19:48,692 --> 01:19:50,492
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people will have experienced that.

1704
01:19:50,732 --> 01:19:52,572
Speaker 2: So you have these big goals that you want to

1705
01:19:52,612 --> 01:19:54,692
Speaker 2: achieve in life, and you work really, really hard to

1706
01:19:54,732 --> 01:19:57,133
Speaker 2: get them, and then when you get them, you can't

1707
01:19:57,213 --> 01:20:01,133
Speaker 2: celebrate them for very very long, and you look around

1708
01:20:01,133 --> 01:20:03,412
Speaker 2: and you go, oh, that's not making That has not

1709
01:20:03,572 --> 01:20:06,973
Speaker 2: made me happy forever yeah, if you know what I mean.

1710
01:20:07,133 --> 01:20:09,892
Speaker 2: So we're picturing our lives goals. If I get there,

1711
01:20:09,933 --> 01:20:13,132
Speaker 2: I work really hard, I'll get there and then everything

1712
01:20:13,253 --> 01:20:16,812
Speaker 2: will be great and I will be happy. So how

1713
01:20:16,893 --> 01:20:18,932
Speaker 2: do you enjoy success if that's the case, If it's

1714
01:20:19,013 --> 01:20:23,452
Speaker 2: the human condition where we find we reach our goals

1715
01:20:23,532 --> 01:20:25,812
Speaker 2: and immediately we're looking around for what else we can

1716
01:20:25,893 --> 01:20:28,612
Speaker 2: celebrate for an evening. Yeah, and that's about it if

1717
01:20:28,612 --> 01:20:31,012
Speaker 2: you're Freddy flint If you can do it for about

1718
01:20:31,133 --> 01:20:34,052
Speaker 2: three days and then end up at number ten Downing

1719
01:20:34,093 --> 01:20:38,293
Speaker 2: Street and soiling a pop plant, But that's about it.

1720
01:20:38,532 --> 01:20:41,412
Speaker 2: Maybe three days of full celebration if you really push

1721
01:20:41,452 --> 01:20:43,612
Speaker 2: it out on something, and then you're back to your life.

1722
01:20:44,293 --> 01:20:45,812
Speaker 3: It's a hell of a come down for people like

1723
01:20:45,853 --> 01:20:49,572
Speaker 3: Scotti Scheffler and as you say, Freddy Flinty or rock stars,

1724
01:20:49,612 --> 01:20:54,013
Speaker 3: when you reach that ultimate point of whatever field that

1725
01:20:54,093 --> 01:20:57,213
Speaker 3: you've chosen to then go back to what is a

1726
01:20:57,333 --> 01:21:00,253
Speaker 3: mundane life. It's just everyday, normal life, hopefully with a

1727
01:21:00,372 --> 01:21:03,412
Speaker 3: family that chasing that high in success. And as Scotti

1728
01:21:03,452 --> 01:21:05,772
Speaker 3: Scheffler said, he's worked his entire life to be the

1729
01:21:05,853 --> 01:21:07,852
Speaker 3: best goalfer in the world. And he went on to

1730
01:21:07,933 --> 01:21:10,532
Speaker 3: say what is the point? What am I actually working

1731
01:21:10,612 --> 01:21:13,772
Speaker 3: towards here? That five minutes of glory that I feel

1732
01:21:14,213 --> 01:21:17,173
Speaker 3: then dies away and I start questioning why I've put

1733
01:21:17,253 --> 01:21:18,612
Speaker 3: myself through this for my life.

1734
01:21:18,893 --> 01:21:21,732
Speaker 2: So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, because we're all

1735
01:21:21,772 --> 01:21:25,852
Speaker 2: striving for success, well most of us are. Anyway, have

1736
01:21:26,133 --> 01:21:28,973
Speaker 2: you reached a point of success in your life and

1737
01:21:29,173 --> 01:21:33,013
Speaker 2: have you felt great satisfaction, lasting satisfaction from it? And

1738
01:21:33,093 --> 01:21:37,213
Speaker 2: how have you celebrated these fantastic moments in your life? Also,

1739
01:21:37,293 --> 01:21:41,173
Speaker 2: how much success do we need to find lasting joy?

1740
01:21:41,572 --> 01:21:44,692
Speaker 2: I mean, Shiffler, that's a high level of success. I'm

1741
01:21:44,692 --> 01:21:46,372
Speaker 2: never going to be that successful. And he had a

1742
01:21:46,412 --> 01:21:49,612
Speaker 2: few moments of joy from it. And what is the

1743
01:21:49,692 --> 01:21:52,412
Speaker 2: lesson that we can learn from that? Because I think

1744
01:21:52,452 --> 01:21:53,972
Speaker 2: a lot of people go, once I get a house,

1745
01:21:54,013 --> 01:21:56,173
Speaker 2: I'll be you know a lot of people talk about property.

1746
01:21:56,412 --> 01:21:58,173
Speaker 2: They go, once I save up and get a house,

1747
01:21:58,372 --> 01:22:00,732
Speaker 2: everything will be right, and I'll be happy. Once I

1748
01:22:00,812 --> 01:22:03,532
Speaker 2: get that promotion, everything right, I'll be happy. And we

1749
01:22:03,652 --> 01:22:07,333
Speaker 2: arrive there and it's just it's just not the case.

1750
01:22:07,692 --> 01:22:09,812
Speaker 2: We arrived there and we're like, oh, it's just the

1751
01:22:09,853 --> 01:22:11,972
Speaker 2: same as it was before, and so we have these

1752
01:22:12,452 --> 01:22:15,213
Speaker 2: endless goals that we're trying to get to, and as

1753
01:22:15,253 --> 01:22:18,333
Speaker 2: a result, we feel like we never actually start living

1754
01:22:18,412 --> 01:22:22,053
Speaker 2: our lives. We never at some point down the track

1755
01:22:22,253 --> 01:22:24,293
Speaker 2: when I retire, I'm going to finally live my life.

1756
01:22:24,333 --> 01:22:25,572
Speaker 2: That's when everything's going to be great.

1757
01:22:25,692 --> 01:22:27,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, And is that the tragedy of life? So you

1758
01:22:27,732 --> 01:22:30,333
Speaker 3: go through life and you might be incredibly successful when

1759
01:22:30,372 --> 01:22:33,452
Speaker 3: you keep striving to be better, until you get towards

1760
01:22:33,532 --> 01:22:35,732
Speaker 3: the end and you realize that that never really made

1761
01:22:35,772 --> 01:22:37,652
Speaker 3: you that satisfied in the first place. I mean, maybe

1762
01:22:37,772 --> 01:22:40,053
Speaker 3: that is just what happens to all of us. It's

1763
01:22:40,133 --> 01:22:42,053
Speaker 3: the part of the human condition. You say, is that

1764
01:22:42,572 --> 01:22:44,612
Speaker 3: that is part of being human that you strive to

1765
01:22:44,732 --> 01:22:47,692
Speaker 3: be better and you think that's going to finally put

1766
01:22:47,732 --> 01:22:49,333
Speaker 3: you in a place of happiness. But it's all an

1767
01:22:49,372 --> 01:22:50,732
Speaker 3: illusion or as.

1768
01:22:50,652 --> 01:22:53,732
Speaker 2: Scheffler, an outlier and am I an outlier? Can you

1769
01:22:53,973 --> 01:22:58,412
Speaker 2: find success and enjoy it and celebrate it and have

1770
01:22:58,853 --> 01:23:01,372
Speaker 2: a long term sense of self worth because of it?

1771
01:23:01,412 --> 01:23:03,012
Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you. Eight hundred and eighty

1772
01:23:03,093 --> 01:23:07,053
Speaker 2: ten eighty bet of a philosophical one for you. This

1773
01:23:07,253 --> 01:23:10,013
Speaker 2: afternoon of the week is Wednesday.

1774
01:23:10,053 --> 01:23:12,012
Speaker 3: Philosophical ol we love this sort of stuff.

1775
01:23:12,173 --> 01:23:13,213
Speaker 2: Wednesday feel off.

1776
01:23:13,692 --> 01:23:19,213
Speaker 3: There's eleven past three, zebby fourteen past three. So we're

1777
01:23:19,253 --> 01:23:21,932
Speaker 3: talking about achieving success and the joy that you may

1778
01:23:22,133 --> 01:23:24,812
Speaker 3: find or it's fleeting joy, as was the case with

1779
01:23:25,333 --> 01:23:28,132
Speaker 3: the number one golfer in the world right now, Scotti Scheffler.

1780
01:23:28,452 --> 01:23:30,452
Speaker 3: He said just before a big tournament that he went

1781
01:23:30,492 --> 01:23:32,812
Speaker 3: on to win. He's a little bit of what he said.

1782
01:23:32,853 --> 01:23:35,452
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that make that make it

1783
01:23:35,572 --> 01:23:37,532
Speaker 3: to what they thought was going to fulfill them in life,

1784
01:23:37,572 --> 01:23:39,173
Speaker 3: and you get there, you get to number one in

1785
01:23:39,173 --> 01:23:41,133
Speaker 3: the world, and they're like, what's the point?

1786
01:23:42,893 --> 01:23:44,892
Speaker 2: I love the stick? So, lads, I had a hole

1787
01:23:44,973 --> 01:23:47,013
Speaker 2: in one when I was sixteen. I'm forty three now

1788
01:23:47,053 --> 01:23:48,492
Speaker 2: and I still think about it every day.

1789
01:23:48,812 --> 01:23:50,972
Speaker 3: That's a good memory. Be lucky man.

1790
01:23:51,133 --> 01:23:54,532
Speaker 2: Gray your thoughts on this. How do we enjoy our

1791
01:23:54,572 --> 01:23:57,132
Speaker 2: success and what is what is success?

1792
01:23:58,372 --> 01:24:02,052
Speaker 19: I think that's what the vines through champions, the fact

1793
01:24:02,133 --> 01:24:06,452
Speaker 19: that they they enjoy their moment. You know, he's a

1794
01:24:06,532 --> 01:24:11,572
Speaker 19: chief world number one, vital competition and you've got to

1795
01:24:11,652 --> 01:24:14,772
Speaker 19: celebrate that. But they come back down to ground very quick,

1796
01:24:14,812 --> 01:24:18,452
Speaker 19: and that's the difference between champions and participants. I think

1797
01:24:18,893 --> 01:24:24,492
Speaker 19: because they're always searching, so I'll never find perfection. Do

1798
01:24:24,652 --> 01:24:27,812
Speaker 19: I search them for it? So they'll always achieve set

1799
01:24:27,893 --> 01:24:33,013
Speaker 19: themselves new goals. I think in life the important is

1800
01:24:33,133 --> 01:24:37,053
Speaker 19: you've got to set yourself achievable goals and you've got

1801
01:24:37,133 --> 01:24:41,972
Speaker 19: to celebrate each one you get. That doesn't make it happy.

1802
01:24:42,572 --> 01:24:43,612
Speaker 19: What makes you happy is.

1803
01:24:43,612 --> 01:24:44,612
Speaker 26: At the end of your life.

1804
01:24:44,652 --> 01:24:48,013
Speaker 19: I think if you can feel content with everything you've

1805
01:24:48,093 --> 01:24:53,173
Speaker 19: done and your contempt and the way you said, your

1806
01:24:53,253 --> 01:24:56,333
Speaker 19: life is your achieve its and that that's what happiness.

1807
01:24:57,333 --> 01:25:00,133
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense, Yeah it does. And for you

1808
01:25:00,253 --> 01:25:03,372
Speaker 2: for your first point, I was interviewing Karen Reid once

1809
01:25:03,692 --> 01:25:05,932
Speaker 2: you know, ex All Black Captain, and he was talking

1810
01:25:05,933 --> 01:25:08,253
Speaker 2: about the All Blacks post game don't have a fe

1811
01:25:08,333 --> 01:25:11,333
Speaker 2: fantastic win, and the whole paste game analysis was bringing

1812
01:25:11,372 --> 01:25:14,093
Speaker 2: them down to earth, so you'd get there will be

1813
01:25:14,173 --> 01:25:16,652
Speaker 2: no time where you'd be going, this is amazing. Steve

1814
01:25:16,692 --> 01:25:19,893
Speaker 2: Hanson was running tape of the mistakes you made and

1815
01:25:20,053 --> 01:25:23,213
Speaker 2: ripping you to pieces. So Karen was saying telling me

1816
01:25:23,293 --> 01:25:25,812
Speaker 2: that he'd drove home going, oh God, what a bummer,

1817
01:25:25,853 --> 01:25:27,213
Speaker 2: and then you'd go, hang on a minute. We won,

1818
01:25:28,293 --> 01:25:32,052
Speaker 2: and I was trying to manufacture, manufacture that you're not happy,

1819
01:25:32,293 --> 01:25:35,732
Speaker 2: no complacency, it's still a loss. You've still got something

1820
01:25:35,772 --> 01:25:36,892
Speaker 2: to work for for next week.

1821
01:25:37,692 --> 01:25:41,372
Speaker 19: And that goal for I would say, is that the

1822
01:25:41,492 --> 01:25:44,333
Speaker 19: game that gave them the world number one spot. He

1823
01:25:44,412 --> 01:25:47,253
Speaker 19: would will critic that game as well to mind out

1824
01:25:47,293 --> 01:25:48,253
Speaker 19: what he did hold of it.

1825
01:25:48,853 --> 01:25:55,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah. And secondly that thing about you know,

1826
01:25:55,612 --> 01:25:59,093
Speaker 2: the totality of your life and and what you've done

1827
01:25:59,133 --> 01:26:01,652
Speaker 2: in it. So you're essentially saying it's not about these

1828
01:26:01,692 --> 01:26:06,492
Speaker 2: peaks where you have these achievements, these these big victories,

1829
01:26:06,532 --> 01:26:11,173
Speaker 2: these moments. You're saying happiness comes from looking at the

1830
01:26:11,213 --> 01:26:13,652
Speaker 2: whole whole of it and going, it's all been pretty good,

1831
01:26:13,893 --> 01:26:15,412
Speaker 2: and what are those bits that are pretty good that

1832
01:26:15,452 --> 01:26:16,012
Speaker 2: aren't peaks?

1833
01:26:19,053 --> 01:26:23,452
Speaker 19: But that's everything, you know, like winning winning the world championship,

1834
01:26:23,612 --> 01:26:27,932
Speaker 19: I don't think defines that guy. What defines that guy

1835
01:26:30,572 --> 01:26:33,412
Speaker 19: his personality? If he's a father, what kind of father

1836
01:26:33,532 --> 01:26:35,732
Speaker 19: he is, his husband, what kind of husband he is,

1837
01:26:36,173 --> 01:26:40,013
Speaker 19: what's he like to other people? It's the whole. It's

1838
01:26:40,053 --> 01:26:42,612
Speaker 19: your whole life that's behind you, not just the peace.

1839
01:26:44,492 --> 01:26:48,293
Speaker 19: You can be a champion and an absolute trick, yeah,

1840
01:26:49,452 --> 01:26:52,932
Speaker 19: or you can be a champion and you're your people

1841
01:26:53,093 --> 01:26:55,572
Speaker 19: champion as well. That's that's what defines you.

1842
01:26:56,412 --> 01:27:00,012
Speaker 2: Do you think there's so I think golf and tennis

1843
01:27:00,053 --> 01:27:03,452
Speaker 2: are interesting sports and that you're a solo operator and

1844
01:27:03,532 --> 01:27:07,452
Speaker 2: there's something fantastic about in whatever eventure you're doing, being

1845
01:27:07,532 --> 01:27:09,812
Speaker 2: part of a team, and then you can celebrate the

1846
01:27:09,853 --> 01:27:13,133
Speaker 2: success of the team because you're not celebrating yourself, you're

1847
01:27:13,173 --> 01:27:16,492
Speaker 2: celebrating each other. Celebrating yourself is a very odd thing

1848
01:27:16,612 --> 01:27:19,213
Speaker 2: to do. But in any endeavor, if you get together

1849
01:27:19,293 --> 01:27:21,372
Speaker 2: a team of people and you go through a struggle

1850
01:27:21,532 --> 01:27:27,173
Speaker 2: and you succeed, something for me that has more more value.

1851
01:27:27,253 --> 01:27:29,412
Speaker 2: It's it's the it's the it's the journey you went

1852
01:27:29,492 --> 01:27:31,093
Speaker 2: on the team, and then you can look around and go,

1853
01:27:31,173 --> 01:27:32,572
Speaker 2: you guys are great, we did this together.

1854
01:27:33,812 --> 01:27:34,012
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1855
01:27:34,093 --> 01:27:38,252
Speaker 19: Once but once again, I think these solo championship champion

1856
01:27:39,013 --> 01:27:41,492
Speaker 19: there's a team around them as well. They're the person

1857
01:27:41,612 --> 01:27:44,852
Speaker 19: on the court, they're the person playing the game, but

1858
01:27:45,692 --> 01:27:48,253
Speaker 19: they would not have got there without a team of people.

1859
01:27:48,572 --> 01:27:50,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, who's the who's the first thing that

1860
01:27:50,333 --> 01:27:53,093
Speaker 2: an if one driver thanks on the mic when he

1861
01:27:53,133 --> 01:27:56,213
Speaker 2: comes through, he's always thanks, guys, thank you so much.

1862
01:27:56,253 --> 01:27:57,052
Speaker 2: What a great weekend.

1863
01:27:59,053 --> 01:28:00,772
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that kind of thing.

1864
01:28:00,893 --> 01:28:04,892
Speaker 19: You know, they take the glory, but it's yeah, behind

1865
01:28:05,253 --> 01:28:07,492
Speaker 19: every champion, there's a team of people.

1866
01:28:08,372 --> 01:28:11,452
Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw a lot of comments after Scotti Scheffler

1867
01:28:11,532 --> 01:28:13,213
Speaker 3: said what he said a crag and a lot of

1868
01:28:13,253 --> 01:28:15,772
Speaker 3: the comments were, well, what what chance do I have

1869
01:28:15,933 --> 01:28:18,333
Speaker 3: if the number one golfer in the world can't find happiness?

1870
01:28:18,412 --> 01:28:20,253
Speaker 3: But I looked at it the other way that I

1871
01:28:20,333 --> 01:28:22,133
Speaker 3: found a lot of comfort in what he said that

1872
01:28:22,293 --> 01:28:24,892
Speaker 3: even if I could, it's never gonna happen. But if

1873
01:28:24,933 --> 01:28:26,852
Speaker 3: I could become the number one golfer in the world,

1874
01:28:27,253 --> 01:28:29,772
Speaker 3: that is not the answer. I actually found comfort in

1875
01:28:29,853 --> 01:28:33,612
Speaker 3: what he said, even Scotti Scheffler struggles with finding that pure,

1876
01:28:34,253 --> 01:28:36,612
Speaker 3: long lasting joy in life. Is that how you you

1877
01:28:36,772 --> 01:28:37,013
Speaker 3: saw it?

1878
01:28:38,412 --> 01:28:40,812
Speaker 19: Well, I should have said, no, I didn't. I sort

1879
01:28:40,853 --> 01:28:44,412
Speaker 19: of heard him talking as if he is a champion,

1880
01:28:44,572 --> 01:28:50,133
Speaker 19: that he celebrated a success for a few hours and

1881
01:28:50,253 --> 01:28:54,612
Speaker 19: then he's he thought it was possibly gonna last longer,

1882
01:28:54,652 --> 01:28:58,053
Speaker 19: and when he got there, it didn't didn't because their

1883
01:28:58,213 --> 01:29:02,692
Speaker 19: minds are programmed to move on. You know, where he

1884
01:29:02,812 --> 01:29:07,892
Speaker 19: should be celebrating it really is when he can't play

1885
01:29:07,933 --> 01:29:10,492
Speaker 19: an him why and he can slit back with his

1886
01:29:10,572 --> 01:29:14,732
Speaker 19: grandkids on his knee or whatever, then he can really say, yeah,

1887
01:29:14,973 --> 01:29:18,052
Speaker 19: I did some pretty incredible things.

1888
01:29:18,452 --> 01:29:21,452
Speaker 2: Good on you, Craig. I was reading this interview with

1889
01:29:21,532 --> 01:29:24,452
Speaker 2: Damon Albin, who's the you know, he's the creative behind

1890
01:29:24,612 --> 01:29:28,013
Speaker 2: Gorillas and Blur and his whole life. Thought that when

1891
01:29:28,013 --> 01:29:30,253
Speaker 2: he would you know that he was working to get

1892
01:29:30,253 --> 01:29:33,213
Speaker 2: a number one album in the UK, and he got

1893
01:29:33,293 --> 01:29:35,852
Speaker 2: that number one album in the UK and he just

1894
01:29:35,893 --> 01:29:37,412
Speaker 2: happened to be at his parents' house when he heard,

1895
01:29:37,492 --> 01:29:39,293
Speaker 2: and he was going he went for a walk. He

1896
01:29:39,333 --> 01:29:43,012
Speaker 2: suddenly felt this huge weight of depression, this massive depression

1897
01:29:43,053 --> 01:29:44,852
Speaker 2: came over and when he just suddenly got this great news,

1898
01:29:44,893 --> 01:29:47,612
Speaker 2: and he said, he walked down to his old primary

1899
01:29:47,612 --> 01:29:48,933
Speaker 2: school that was near the house and he sat on

1900
01:29:48,973 --> 01:29:51,652
Speaker 2: this little swing and he just started crying and he

1901
01:29:51,692 --> 01:29:56,012
Speaker 2: couldn't work out why. And then ages later he worked out, Damn,

1902
01:29:56,572 --> 01:29:59,652
Speaker 2: I've had this huge success, but I'm still me and

1903
01:29:59,812 --> 01:30:02,973
Speaker 2: that isn't the solution to my lack of happiness. I

1904
01:30:03,053 --> 01:30:05,932
Speaker 2: thought getting this would make me happy, and now I've

1905
01:30:06,013 --> 01:30:09,333
Speaker 2: got this, so that's not the answer. Yeah, So this

1906
01:30:09,572 --> 01:30:11,732
Speaker 2: huge amount of success wasn't the answer to why I

1907
01:30:11,812 --> 01:30:12,852
Speaker 2: had a big hole in my heart.

1908
01:30:13,013 --> 01:30:14,652
Speaker 3: What a confronting thing to experience.

1909
01:30:14,732 --> 01:30:16,612
Speaker 2: And I think, I think a huge amount of people

1910
01:30:18,293 --> 01:30:20,133
Speaker 2: experience that that have been incredibly successful.

1911
01:30:20,492 --> 01:30:23,892
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've found success

1912
01:30:24,013 --> 01:30:25,692
Speaker 3: in life, how did you enjoy it? How did you

1913
01:30:25,772 --> 01:30:27,973
Speaker 3: keep the joy going? And what did that success look like?

1914
01:30:28,093 --> 01:30:30,772
Speaker 3: It might not be and getting to the top of

1915
01:30:30,853 --> 01:30:32,133
Speaker 3: whatever field d're in, And.

1916
01:30:32,253 --> 01:30:35,013
Speaker 2: If future success is on the cards, do you have

1917
01:30:35,173 --> 01:30:37,932
Speaker 2: to not enjoy this success and immediately run yourself down?

1918
01:30:38,612 --> 01:30:41,532
Speaker 2: So you've still got their motivation to chase that high again? Yeah?

1919
01:30:41,572 --> 01:30:43,092
Speaker 3: Good Call twenty one past three.

1920
01:30:47,013 --> 01:30:50,652
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1921
01:30:50,732 --> 01:30:52,613
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1922
01:30:52,652 --> 01:30:55,492
Speaker 3: Twenty three past three, And we are talking about success

1923
01:30:55,572 --> 01:30:58,652
Speaker 3: and enjoying those but those moments of joy and how

1924
01:30:58,692 --> 01:31:00,532
Speaker 3: do you retain it and what does success look like

1925
01:31:00,652 --> 01:31:03,133
Speaker 3: for you? Scottie Scheffler number one golfer in the world,

1926
01:31:03,492 --> 01:31:05,692
Speaker 3: he said, what's the point? And golf have worked all

1927
01:31:05,732 --> 01:31:07,652
Speaker 3: my life to be number one and I get five

1928
01:31:07,692 --> 01:31:08,973
Speaker 3: minutes of joy and then life goes on.

1929
01:31:09,572 --> 01:31:12,293
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, this is text. A goal is different to

1930
01:31:12,372 --> 01:31:15,532
Speaker 2: a purpose. Plenty of sportsmen go into depression and retirement.

1931
01:31:15,933 --> 01:31:19,213
Speaker 2: Phelps legacy. Their sport wasn't their purpose. Their sport was

1932
01:31:19,253 --> 01:31:22,692
Speaker 2: a consistent series of dopamine hits. That's from Bevan This

1933
01:31:22,772 --> 01:31:24,972
Speaker 2: Texas says. If you love God who gave you life,

1934
01:31:25,053 --> 01:31:27,213
Speaker 2: and love your family and friends and others around you

1935
01:31:27,293 --> 01:31:29,532
Speaker 2: and they love you, then what else do you need?

1936
01:31:29,973 --> 01:31:35,133
Speaker 2: You're in love slash for free. You get it from

1937
01:31:35,213 --> 01:31:36,812
Speaker 2: from from Mike Yep.

1938
01:31:37,013 --> 01:31:39,532
Speaker 3: I mean family makes a big part of what makes

1939
01:31:39,532 --> 01:31:41,692
Speaker 3: people happy in life, absolutely, and a whole lot.

1940
01:31:41,612 --> 01:31:44,452
Speaker 2: Of people are texting. You've got to remember it's the journey,

1941
01:31:44,572 --> 01:31:49,253
Speaker 2: not the destination, as the saying goes. Sloan, welcome to

1942
01:31:49,372 --> 01:31:51,932
Speaker 2: the show. You've experienced some success in your life.

1943
01:31:53,492 --> 01:31:56,772
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, thanks, Yeah, yep, a little bit.

1944
01:31:57,372 --> 01:31:58,732
Speaker 3: Well, good to have a chat with you. And you're

1945
01:31:58,732 --> 01:32:01,173
Speaker 3: being humble, Sloane, and you're a good man. But you

1946
01:32:01,213 --> 01:32:03,333
Speaker 3: don't mind me mentioning your last name. A lot of

1947
01:32:03,333 --> 01:32:04,333
Speaker 3: people would know you out there.

1948
01:32:05,612 --> 01:32:06,812
Speaker 4: Ah no, that's fine.

1949
01:32:07,532 --> 01:32:10,572
Speaker 13: Your producer sort of talked me into having to checked

1950
01:32:10,612 --> 01:32:10,892
Speaker 13: your boy.

1951
01:32:11,133 --> 01:32:13,572
Speaker 3: Well, you're a good man. So your name's Sloan Frost

1952
01:32:13,652 --> 01:32:16,532
Speaker 3: and you spent many decades to become the best and

1953
01:32:17,412 --> 01:32:19,492
Speaker 3: yours chosen sport. In New Zealand, a lot of people

1954
01:32:19,572 --> 01:32:23,452
Speaker 3: know you're a motorcycle rider. So when you see what

1955
01:32:23,652 --> 01:32:26,532
Speaker 3: Scotti Schiffler said as the number one golfer in the world,

1956
01:32:26,652 --> 01:32:28,933
Speaker 3: did you get a bit of a pang of I

1957
01:32:29,173 --> 01:32:30,492
Speaker 3: I understand what he's saying there.

1958
01:32:31,812 --> 01:32:32,492
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, I did.

1959
01:32:33,812 --> 01:32:36,053
Speaker 13: I was sitting down with a with a sponsor and

1960
01:32:36,213 --> 01:32:39,893
Speaker 13: I like got to where I wanted to be sort of.

1961
01:32:39,893 --> 01:32:42,932
Speaker 13: I'd set a goal of wanted to be the champions

1962
01:32:42,973 --> 01:32:45,732
Speaker 13: of the super Bike champion and got to that goal

1963
01:32:45,812 --> 01:32:48,572
Speaker 13: and I was able to repeat it a couple of times.

1964
01:32:48,732 --> 01:32:51,213
Speaker 13: And I sat down with a sponsor and he just

1965
01:32:51,253 --> 01:32:55,893
Speaker 13: sort of said, you know, well, because he was giving

1966
01:32:55,893 --> 01:32:58,053
Speaker 13: me some money, and he was like, well, you know,

1967
01:32:58,853 --> 01:33:00,293
Speaker 13: you just want to keep doing the same thing. You

1968
01:33:00,293 --> 01:33:01,732
Speaker 13: don't want to just keep doing the same thing over

1969
01:33:01,772 --> 01:33:04,333
Speaker 13: and over, do you. And until that point I hadn't

1970
01:33:04,333 --> 01:33:07,932
Speaker 13: really set any further goals for myself, and it sort

1971
01:33:07,973 --> 01:33:10,652
Speaker 13: of made me really question what I was doing. And

1972
01:33:11,492 --> 01:33:14,213
Speaker 13: he was right, you know, and I should have had

1973
01:33:14,572 --> 01:33:16,852
Speaker 13: further goals. And if I had to set myself further

1974
01:33:16,933 --> 01:33:21,172
Speaker 13: goals and looked past that goal, that i'd set and achieved,

1975
01:33:21,933 --> 01:33:24,772
Speaker 13: I think things would have would have been different, you know,

1976
01:33:25,333 --> 01:33:28,053
Speaker 13: but being a world champion, I don't know how much

1977
01:33:28,133 --> 01:33:30,532
Speaker 13: further you can get and it would have been challenging

1978
01:33:30,572 --> 01:33:33,732
Speaker 13: for him, you know, he's gone. What else do you set?

1979
01:33:33,772 --> 01:33:35,652
Speaker 13: But you need to be working towards a goal.

1980
01:33:37,053 --> 01:33:40,412
Speaker 2: So how long do you allow you? How long is

1981
01:33:40,452 --> 01:33:43,532
Speaker 2: the euphoria of that kind of achievement you've had.

1982
01:33:46,133 --> 01:33:48,452
Speaker 13: I think, like everyone else has been saying, you know,

1983
01:33:48,572 --> 01:33:51,732
Speaker 13: you keep you want to keep moving forward in that

1984
01:33:51,893 --> 01:33:56,333
Speaker 13: and whenever you get to whenever you achieve something, it's

1985
01:33:56,412 --> 01:33:58,452
Speaker 13: never what you sort of build it up to me

1986
01:33:58,692 --> 01:34:01,732
Speaker 13: and what you expect of it. So you need to

1987
01:34:01,812 --> 01:34:04,933
Speaker 13: keep working to that next point. You know, I enjoyed it,

1988
01:34:05,213 --> 01:34:07,293
Speaker 13: and I enjoyed it for a few months, and I

1989
01:34:07,372 --> 01:34:10,372
Speaker 13: mean I still enjoy it now to a certain degree.

1990
01:34:10,452 --> 01:34:13,852
Speaker 13: I mean my son races and I still get help

1991
01:34:14,572 --> 01:34:16,452
Speaker 13: or is rap thing you know or something that you

1992
01:34:16,612 --> 01:34:19,652
Speaker 13: achieved a long time ago? So yeah, it's good, but

1993
01:34:19,732 --> 01:34:20,692
Speaker 13: you do need to further goal.

1994
01:34:20,772 --> 01:34:23,133
Speaker 2: Well, what's the team? How big a team do you have,

1995
01:34:23,732 --> 01:34:27,492
Speaker 2: you know, superbike team around you in terms of support

1996
01:34:27,612 --> 01:34:29,093
Speaker 2: that that have got you to where you are?

1997
01:34:30,452 --> 01:34:32,772
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean through the years you have to have

1998
01:34:33,173 --> 01:34:35,532
Speaker 13: I mean on a race weekend you are going to

1999
01:34:35,612 --> 01:34:39,133
Speaker 13: have maybe a small team maybe five people trying to

2000
01:34:39,213 --> 01:34:41,293
Speaker 13: help you get to where you're going, but you have

2001
01:34:41,412 --> 01:34:43,893
Speaker 13: to have you know, a big crew of support behind that,

2002
01:34:44,173 --> 01:34:48,333
Speaker 13: like the Zougi New Zealand and the Suzuki from like Japan,

2003
01:34:48,412 --> 01:34:50,213
Speaker 13: and all the budgets that come from there, and then

2004
01:34:50,253 --> 01:34:53,612
Speaker 13: all your personal sponsors and your family and like the

2005
01:34:53,692 --> 01:34:56,772
Speaker 13: dedication that you have to have and to get with

2006
01:34:56,933 --> 01:34:59,213
Speaker 13: any sport. You know, there's so much behind the scenes,

2007
01:34:59,692 --> 01:35:02,133
Speaker 13: the preparing of the bikes, and I mean half of

2008
01:35:02,253 --> 01:35:04,973
Speaker 13: half the thing. Like a motor sport athlete, you have

2009
01:35:05,133 --> 01:35:09,333
Speaker 13: to it's not just the it's not just what you're doing.

2010
01:35:09,492 --> 01:35:13,093
Speaker 13: It's like preparing budgets and things like that too. Like

2011
01:35:13,333 --> 01:35:15,492
Speaker 13: I've heard the views with your Formula one drivers and

2012
01:35:15,532 --> 01:35:17,812
Speaker 13: that and and how much they have to put into

2013
01:35:18,053 --> 01:35:21,173
Speaker 13: personal sponsors and you have to be a businessman, you know,

2014
01:35:21,812 --> 01:35:23,173
Speaker 13: so so.

2015
01:35:23,372 --> 01:35:26,652
Speaker 2: So so it is a team sport as well as

2016
01:35:26,652 --> 01:35:27,732
Speaker 2: a solid sport.

2017
01:35:28,293 --> 01:35:30,412
Speaker 13: You know, absolutely, it's a it's a huge team sport.

2018
01:35:30,452 --> 01:35:32,253
Speaker 13: I mean you're out there, you're out there for yourself,

2019
01:35:32,372 --> 01:35:35,133
Speaker 13: but it's it's a team of people and you can't.

2020
01:35:35,173 --> 01:35:36,972
Speaker 13: I mean, there was a there was a time there

2021
01:35:36,973 --> 01:35:40,732
Speaker 13: when I had really really good support and team coming

2022
01:35:40,812 --> 01:35:42,932
Speaker 13: over from Australia and stuff like that, and nobody would

2023
01:35:42,933 --> 01:35:45,893
Speaker 13: see that difference with me on the track, but the

2024
01:35:46,612 --> 01:35:49,852
Speaker 13: without them, I almost couldn't win, and with them there,

2025
01:35:50,053 --> 01:35:52,652
Speaker 13: I almost couldn't lose. It makes such a big difference.

2026
01:35:52,692 --> 01:35:55,093
Speaker 3: It's great to chat with you, Sloan. So when you

2027
01:35:55,173 --> 01:35:58,213
Speaker 3: were gunning to be the world champion, was there a

2028
01:35:58,253 --> 01:36:00,532
Speaker 3: part of your brain that says, once I've become world champion,

2029
01:36:00,692 --> 01:36:05,412
Speaker 3: I will be happy. I will have the respect of everyone,

2030
01:36:05,652 --> 01:36:09,053
Speaker 3: maybe people that delted you all this time that I've

2031
01:36:09,093 --> 01:36:12,852
Speaker 3: spent working towards that goal. Finally I will achieve everything

2032
01:36:12,933 --> 01:36:13,652
Speaker 3: that I've wanted in life.

2033
01:36:13,732 --> 01:36:16,572
Speaker 13: Was that your thinking, Yep, well I didn't get certainly

2034
01:36:16,612 --> 01:36:19,092
Speaker 13: didn't get as far as world, but yep, New Zealand

2035
01:36:19,213 --> 01:36:21,213
Speaker 13: was about as where I set my set my goals,

2036
01:36:21,213 --> 01:36:23,093
Speaker 13: and it's unfortunate I didn't, but I mean I was

2037
01:36:23,133 --> 01:36:26,093
Speaker 13: getting a little bit too old. But yeah, that's I mean,

2038
01:36:26,133 --> 01:36:28,293
Speaker 13: that's that's where my whole goal was. That's what I

2039
01:36:28,412 --> 01:36:31,812
Speaker 13: was working towards, and I thought, that's everything that I

2040
01:36:31,893 --> 01:36:34,213
Speaker 13: needed to do and then yeah, you're right. When you

2041
01:36:34,293 --> 01:36:37,133
Speaker 13: achieve that, you just it almost you fall flat a

2042
01:36:37,213 --> 01:36:40,333
Speaker 13: little bit. You need you need to keep pushing forward.

2043
01:36:40,572 --> 01:36:42,732
Speaker 2: And do you feel that you can enjoy the success

2044
01:36:42,812 --> 01:36:46,652
Speaker 2: of your son as you say he's writing more than

2045
01:36:46,692 --> 01:36:47,892
Speaker 2: you can enjoy your own success.

2046
01:36:49,253 --> 01:36:49,412
Speaker 16: Yeah?

2047
01:36:49,452 --> 01:36:51,852
Speaker 13: Absolutely, I mean it feels very much the same. And

2048
01:36:52,253 --> 01:36:54,053
Speaker 13: but we're all the way back at the start now,

2049
01:36:54,213 --> 01:36:56,612
Speaker 13: and then I can just sort of relive that and

2050
01:36:56,812 --> 01:36:59,772
Speaker 13: just sort of guide him as as I can. But yeah,

2051
01:36:59,933 --> 01:37:01,692
Speaker 13: it's nice to go through that whole journey again.

2052
01:37:02,053 --> 01:37:04,333
Speaker 2: Well, good on your mate, you're a great New Zealand

2053
01:37:04,372 --> 01:37:09,093
Speaker 2: and really appreciate talking to you today. All right, I

2054
01:37:09,133 --> 01:37:10,372
Speaker 2: wish you much happiness.

2055
01:37:10,532 --> 01:37:10,732
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2056
01:37:10,973 --> 01:37:13,333
Speaker 2: So is one of the things that there's a difference

2057
01:37:13,372 --> 01:37:17,053
Speaker 2: between happiness and satisfaction. I guess that what it is.

2058
01:37:17,133 --> 01:37:19,333
Speaker 2: So if you're just craving set happiness, you'll never be

2059
01:37:19,372 --> 01:37:21,253
Speaker 2: happy all the time. People go, I want to be happy.

2060
01:37:21,492 --> 01:37:22,772
Speaker 2: No one will be happy all the time because you

2061
01:37:22,812 --> 01:37:24,253
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to tell the difference between happy and

2062
01:37:24,333 --> 01:37:25,572
Speaker 2: not happy. If you're happy all the time, they be

2063
01:37:25,652 --> 01:37:29,372
Speaker 2: based level. You want to be generally content with a

2064
01:37:29,412 --> 01:37:31,612
Speaker 2: few spikes, Yeah, right, that's a good life, right.

2065
01:37:31,652 --> 01:37:33,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's been okay with a bit of

2066
01:37:33,492 --> 01:37:36,452
Speaker 3: suffering that you're going to undoubtedly experience in your life

2067
01:37:36,652 --> 01:37:39,333
Speaker 3: and levels of suffering. But you're right those boring, mundane

2068
01:37:39,412 --> 01:37:41,892
Speaker 3: moments that people might't think. Man, I wish my life

2069
01:37:42,013 --> 01:37:45,532
Speaker 3: is better. The ability to sit in contentment with is

2070
01:37:45,572 --> 01:37:47,213
Speaker 3: a lot of good things that happen in your life,

2071
01:37:47,253 --> 01:37:48,333
Speaker 3: and right now it might be a bit of a

2072
01:37:48,372 --> 01:37:49,333
Speaker 3: low I think comes into it.

2073
01:37:49,692 --> 01:37:52,412
Speaker 2: Happiness is the wrong goal, says in. It comes and

2074
01:37:52,492 --> 01:37:54,532
Speaker 2: it goes. Enjoy it when you have it. The goal

2075
01:37:54,612 --> 01:37:56,933
Speaker 2: should be to live a meaningful life, and that is

2076
01:37:57,013 --> 01:37:58,772
Speaker 2: different for everyone. Yeah, thank you for that.

2077
01:37:59,213 --> 01:38:01,852
Speaker 3: It is twenty nine to four, but keen to get

2078
01:38:01,893 --> 01:38:03,612
Speaker 3: your views on this. O one hundred and eighty ten

2079
01:38:03,692 --> 01:38:05,612
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to CAUR headlines coming up.

2080
01:38:05,853 --> 01:38:08,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you reached success and have you felt with it?

2081
01:38:08,412 --> 01:38:11,532
Speaker 2: And how do you enjoy success? And how do you

2082
01:38:11,692 --> 01:38:13,333
Speaker 2: keep your goals going after you've had success?

2083
01:38:15,812 --> 01:38:18,053
Speaker 4: US talks at the headlines.

2084
01:38:17,692 --> 01:38:20,932
Speaker 21: With Blue Bubble taxis it's no trouble with a Blue bubble.

2085
01:38:21,652 --> 01:38:25,732
Speaker 21: June homelessness incites figures support reports of a rise in

2086
01:38:25,973 --> 01:38:30,133
Speaker 21: rough sleeping with councils and support services country wide seeing

2087
01:38:30,293 --> 01:38:34,532
Speaker 21: increases by some measures. It's doubled over twenty four months.

2088
01:38:35,452 --> 01:38:38,972
Speaker 21: The two year government police recruitment target has been pushed

2089
01:38:39,053 --> 01:38:41,972
Speaker 21: back again. It's now expected to be nine months after

2090
01:38:42,053 --> 01:38:46,012
Speaker 21: the original deadline in August next year. It's two months

2091
01:38:46,093 --> 01:38:50,452
Speaker 21: behind the Commissioner's revised June target. Health New Zealands released

2092
01:38:50,492 --> 01:38:54,732
Speaker 21: a review of Nelson Hospital, listing issues including recruiting delays,

2093
01:38:54,893 --> 01:39:00,052
Speaker 21: aging infrastructure and increasing demand. It recommends reviewing clinical governance,

2094
01:39:00,333 --> 01:39:06,133
Speaker 21: reducing weight times and addressing vacancies and infrastructure constraints. A

2095
01:39:06,253 --> 01:39:09,973
Speaker 21: car's been hit by train and Willing's Glenside, although the

2096
01:39:10,093 --> 01:39:13,293
Speaker 21: driver was helped to escape in time. Services have been

2097
01:39:13,372 --> 01:39:17,492
Speaker 21: suspended from Wellington to Puttydoer. How was he Osborne went

2098
01:39:17,532 --> 01:39:21,612
Speaker 21: from Prince of Darkness to reality TV star. You can

2099
01:39:21,652 --> 01:39:24,452
Speaker 21: see the full story at end, said Herold Premium back

2100
01:39:24,492 --> 01:39:25,892
Speaker 21: to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2101
01:39:26,013 --> 01:39:28,492
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Raylean. So we're talking about how

2102
01:39:28,652 --> 01:39:31,692
Speaker 3: do you enjoy the successes you've had in your life.

2103
01:39:32,053 --> 01:39:34,893
Speaker 3: This is after Scotti Scheffler speaking to media ahead of

2104
01:39:34,933 --> 01:39:36,652
Speaker 3: the open at the Royal Port Rush, which he went

2105
01:39:36,692 --> 01:39:39,452
Speaker 3: on to win. He was asked how long he celebrates

2106
01:39:39,492 --> 01:39:41,293
Speaker 3: his victories, and he went on to say, there's a

2107
01:39:41,333 --> 01:39:43,213
Speaker 3: lot of people that make it to what they thought

2108
01:39:43,333 --> 01:39:45,412
Speaker 3: was going to fulfill them in life, and you get there,

2109
01:39:45,452 --> 01:39:47,093
Speaker 3: you get to number one in the world, and they're like,

2110
01:39:47,293 --> 01:39:48,572
Speaker 3: what is the point?

2111
01:39:49,853 --> 01:39:53,253
Speaker 2: Post achievement. Depression is a real thing, says this Texa

2112
01:39:54,213 --> 01:39:58,372
Speaker 2: Scheffler said to Well, after winning, he said, golf comes

2113
01:39:58,412 --> 01:40:01,973
Speaker 2: third in my life, after spirituality, family, then golf in

2114
01:40:02,133 --> 01:40:06,412
Speaker 2: that order, which was pretty thoughtful according to Ann I agree,

2115
01:40:07,532 --> 01:40:11,333
Speaker 2: whereas this text disagrees. I'm sure the US are three

2116
01:40:11,412 --> 01:40:13,973
Speaker 2: point one million dollar British Open prize money East his

2117
01:40:14,093 --> 01:40:16,532
Speaker 2: angst and we'll keep them going for more than five

2118
01:40:16,572 --> 01:40:19,053
Speaker 2: minutes of joy. Well, if you look at it, Tim

2119
01:40:19,173 --> 01:40:24,092
Speaker 2: like that because this text pushes back against that attitude

2120
01:40:24,093 --> 01:40:27,852
Speaker 2: and says relative happy happiness is fleeting and transient. Absolute

2121
01:40:27,933 --> 01:40:32,213
Speaker 2: happiness is enduring and not achieved by titles, trinkets and toys.

2122
01:40:32,412 --> 01:40:33,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a great text. There's a lot of

2123
01:40:34,013 --> 01:40:34,412
Speaker 3: truth in that.

2124
01:40:34,492 --> 01:40:38,412
Speaker 2: A lot of philosophers listen to Matt and Tyler afternoons

2125
01:40:38,452 --> 01:40:39,692
Speaker 2: on news talk ZB and.

2126
01:40:39,812 --> 01:40:41,812
Speaker 3: We love that. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2127
01:40:41,893 --> 01:40:42,772
Speaker 3: is the number to call.

2128
01:40:43,093 --> 01:40:43,213
Speaker 7: Pro.

2129
01:40:43,452 --> 01:40:44,173
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

2130
01:40:45,492 --> 01:40:46,612
Speaker 22: Hey, how you going, John?

2131
01:40:47,213 --> 01:40:49,333
Speaker 2: Very well? Better since you have called in your views

2132
01:40:49,412 --> 01:40:50,492
Speaker 2: on on on happiness.

2133
01:40:51,893 --> 01:40:54,452
Speaker 22: Yeah, I feel really sorry to that gulp. I think

2134
01:40:54,973 --> 01:40:58,532
Speaker 22: sharing happiness is kind of a lifetime goal for all

2135
01:40:58,612 --> 01:41:01,173
Speaker 22: of us, which should be and we're not always going

2136
01:41:01,253 --> 01:41:05,092
Speaker 22: to feel happiness, but I think finding moments of happiness

2137
01:41:05,133 --> 01:41:09,892
Speaker 22: and each week, day or you're doing as kind of.

2138
01:41:10,333 --> 01:41:11,012
Speaker 3: At the purpose.

2139
01:41:11,452 --> 01:41:15,772
Speaker 22: And I mean, I'm the guy that rang before was

2140
01:41:15,893 --> 01:41:18,732
Speaker 22: an amazing he sounded like an amazing guy, and I

2141
01:41:18,812 --> 01:41:20,253
Speaker 22: think he kind of had the nail on the head

2142
01:41:20,253 --> 01:41:23,492
Speaker 22: when he sitting He didn't keep reaching for goals after

2143
01:41:24,293 --> 01:41:28,293
Speaker 22: he got the New Zealand Trophy. And I guess when

2144
01:41:28,333 --> 01:41:29,732
Speaker 22: you're hitting to the number one in the world, it

2145
01:41:29,772 --> 01:41:32,133
Speaker 22: would be hard to think, well, what's coming after that?

2146
01:41:33,692 --> 01:41:36,333
Speaker 22: Where I don't know pages and stages of life. I

2147
01:41:36,372 --> 01:41:39,053
Speaker 22: guess he could shifting focus to something completely different and

2148
01:41:40,213 --> 01:41:42,572
Speaker 22: just always trying be the best that he can be.

2149
01:41:42,652 --> 01:41:45,652
Speaker 22: And everything you pursue and find moments of joy and.

2150
01:41:45,652 --> 01:41:48,772
Speaker 2: Everything that you do, is it something that you're striving for?

2151
01:41:49,572 --> 01:41:49,692
Speaker 24: Pro?

2152
01:41:49,893 --> 01:41:52,612
Speaker 2: Is this something that you think if you achieved would

2153
01:41:52,772 --> 01:41:55,253
Speaker 2: lead to a huge sense of well, being.

2154
01:41:57,532 --> 01:42:03,972
Speaker 22: I'm generally a really happy person. So yeah, I mean, yeah,

2155
01:42:04,293 --> 01:42:06,053
Speaker 22: we went through the worst year of our life last

2156
01:42:06,133 --> 01:42:08,253
Speaker 22: year with our daughter who developed a really serious men

2157
01:42:08,372 --> 01:42:12,532
Speaker 22: about condition. And even in then, it's you know, every

2158
01:42:12,612 --> 01:42:14,572
Speaker 22: day I would find something that I was happy and

2159
01:42:14,652 --> 01:42:20,333
Speaker 22: grateful for, whether it was simply just her recovering minutely.

2160
01:42:21,853 --> 01:42:25,293
Speaker 22: So yeah, I just think, if you look for the bed,

2161
01:42:25,372 --> 01:42:26,932
Speaker 22: you're going to find the bed, But if you look

2162
01:42:26,973 --> 01:42:28,612
Speaker 22: for the good, you're always going to find the good.

2163
01:42:28,652 --> 01:42:32,053
Speaker 22: And yeah, it's kind of I love my life.

2164
01:42:32,572 --> 01:42:35,572
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to hear that pro house you going this year.

2165
01:42:37,173 --> 01:42:40,372
Speaker 22: We're getting there here. It's been an eighteen months blog,

2166
01:42:40,452 --> 01:42:42,852
Speaker 22: and I mean, I'm not ashamed.

2167
01:42:42,933 --> 01:42:43,732
Speaker 16: So she had she.

2168
01:42:43,812 --> 01:42:47,772
Speaker 22: Developed dinners here and it's a it's a family condition

2169
01:42:48,133 --> 01:42:50,812
Speaker 22: for us. So it's something I haven't personally lived through.

2170
01:42:50,893 --> 01:42:54,213
Speaker 22: Back from other people that haven't, it's a bugger of

2171
01:42:54,293 --> 01:42:55,972
Speaker 22: a disease and if you don't get it early, then

2172
01:42:56,973 --> 01:43:00,612
Speaker 22: in years recovering. Yeah, I'm so proud of parents. And

2173
01:43:01,133 --> 01:43:04,173
Speaker 22: we find enjoy every single day, and you know, I'm

2174
01:43:04,213 --> 01:43:06,173
Speaker 22: just celebrating how well she's doing.

2175
01:43:06,612 --> 01:43:09,172
Speaker 2: It's interesting when you talk about peaks and and troughs,

2176
01:43:09,173 --> 01:43:11,452
Speaker 2: when it comes to happiness because you know, sometimes there's

2177
01:43:11,652 --> 01:43:15,293
Speaker 2: a huge sort of you know, struggle like you've faced

2178
01:43:15,293 --> 01:43:18,133
Speaker 2: in your life with your daughter, and then you look

2179
01:43:18,213 --> 01:43:21,652
Speaker 2: back before that, before the problem, and you think what

2180
01:43:21,893 --> 01:43:22,452
Speaker 2: was my problem?

2181
01:43:22,532 --> 01:43:22,692
Speaker 9: Then?

2182
01:43:23,333 --> 01:43:28,133
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, sometimes there's been really terrible things

2183
01:43:28,173 --> 01:43:29,852
Speaker 2: that have happened in my life and I've gone I

2184
01:43:30,013 --> 01:43:33,213
Speaker 2: was winging two weeks ago about something so meaningless compared

2185
01:43:33,333 --> 01:43:35,612
Speaker 2: compared to this, And so it's quite good to keep

2186
01:43:35,652 --> 01:43:38,973
Speaker 2: that in mind, isn't it that You know, that's a

2187
01:43:39,013 --> 01:43:41,253
Speaker 2: funny way to put it, but terrible things can just

2188
01:43:41,293 --> 01:43:43,093
Speaker 2: pop up at any point, and if you don't find

2189
01:43:43,213 --> 01:43:46,572
Speaker 2: happiness when things are okay, you don't know know the

2190
01:43:46,612 --> 01:43:47,772
Speaker 2: struggles that are going to come up.

2191
01:43:49,213 --> 01:43:51,692
Speaker 22: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, And we've got one life to live like.

2192
01:43:51,772 --> 01:43:53,372
Speaker 22: We're going to be the age that we are once

2193
01:43:53,412 --> 01:43:54,933
Speaker 22: in our life. Our kids are going to be the

2194
01:43:54,973 --> 01:43:57,293
Speaker 22: age there once in their life, and we're never going

2195
01:43:57,372 --> 01:43:59,612
Speaker 22: to get younger. So we've just got to appreciate and

2196
01:43:59,812 --> 01:44:02,372
Speaker 22: enjoy every everything I life can give.

2197
01:44:02,452 --> 01:44:02,492
Speaker 6: You.

2198
01:44:02,933 --> 01:44:04,812
Speaker 2: Good on your pre you sound like a fantastic human

2199
01:44:04,853 --> 01:44:06,972
Speaker 2: and all the best with what's happening in your life.

2200
01:44:07,652 --> 01:44:10,572
Speaker 3: What a great losophy you have beautiful attitude. Absolutely. Oh,

2201
01:44:10,572 --> 01:44:13,013
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2202
01:44:13,333 --> 01:44:15,532
Speaker 3: How do you celebrate the successes in your life and

2203
01:44:15,652 --> 01:44:18,333
Speaker 3: hold on to what could be considered joy. Love to

2204
01:44:18,372 --> 01:44:21,812
Speaker 3: hear your stories and experiences finding happiness. It is twenty

2205
01:44:21,933 --> 01:44:22,612
Speaker 3: one to four.

2206
01:44:23,372 --> 01:44:25,772
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

2207
01:44:25,853 --> 01:44:30,172
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks, they'd.

2208
01:44:30,013 --> 01:44:33,692
Speaker 3: Be eighteen to four. Some great teas coming through on

2209
01:44:34,133 --> 01:44:36,412
Speaker 3: achieving success and how to hold on to joy if

2210
01:44:36,452 --> 01:44:37,132
Speaker 3: it is possible.

2211
01:44:37,293 --> 01:44:40,053
Speaker 2: Charan says, in terms of individual sports, I think achievements

2212
01:44:40,053 --> 01:44:43,173
Speaker 2: are even more noticeable as they have, in a sense,

2213
01:44:43,253 --> 01:44:45,372
Speaker 2: done it on their own as an athlete. However, they

2214
01:44:45,732 --> 01:44:48,492
Speaker 2: definitely do have a team behind them. I'm talking from

2215
01:44:48,532 --> 01:44:50,772
Speaker 2: experience with my daughter who is a high achieving athlete,

2216
01:44:50,893 --> 01:44:57,173
Speaker 2: and the dedication they show is remarkable. Yeah, this sounds

2217
01:44:57,213 --> 01:44:58,972
Speaker 2: like I'm name dropping again, because I am.

2218
01:44:59,293 --> 01:45:01,253
Speaker 3: You've spoken to a lot of very successful people.

2219
01:45:01,732 --> 01:45:05,293
Speaker 2: But we were interviewing pau McCartney once from the Beatles

2220
01:45:05,772 --> 01:45:08,732
Speaker 2: and just ask him a question. Do you think that

2221
01:45:08,973 --> 01:45:11,093
Speaker 2: the success you had with the Beatles was a bit

2222
01:45:11,133 --> 01:45:13,972
Speaker 2: different than Elvis's success because Alvis had all these problems

2223
01:45:13,973 --> 01:45:17,372
Speaker 2: and the Beatles eventually had some problems, but Elvis was

2224
01:45:17,492 --> 01:45:19,053
Speaker 2: on his own. It was just Elvis. He had the

2225
01:45:19,173 --> 01:45:22,972
Speaker 2: Memphis Mafia. Do you and we just asked the question,

2226
01:45:23,093 --> 01:45:24,093
Speaker 2: how do you think it would have been if it

2227
01:45:24,133 --> 01:45:26,293
Speaker 2: had just been Paul McCartney right through those crazy you'll

2228
01:45:26,293 --> 01:45:28,253
Speaker 2: beat him anial years and he goes, oh, I wouldn't

2229
01:45:28,293 --> 01:45:29,892
Speaker 2: have been a handle it. I was in a bubble

2230
01:45:29,933 --> 01:45:32,452
Speaker 2: with my best mates and so we could celebrate our

2231
01:45:32,492 --> 01:45:35,612
Speaker 2: success together. And I think that that sort of speaks

2232
01:45:35,692 --> 01:45:39,612
Speaker 2: to the success with the team and working and struggling

2233
01:45:39,652 --> 01:45:42,692
Speaker 2: towards something where the team is the most meaningful full thing.

2234
01:45:42,933 --> 01:45:45,772
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, to have your tribe there and you're achieving

2235
01:45:45,812 --> 01:45:46,532
Speaker 3: and you get success.

2236
01:45:46,652 --> 01:45:48,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sexts said, I would have no greater satisfaction in

2237
01:45:49,053 --> 01:45:53,133
Speaker 2: life then the Warriors winning the NRL premiership would die

2238
01:45:53,173 --> 01:45:54,253
Speaker 2: a happy man up the.

2239
01:45:56,053 --> 01:45:56,293
Speaker 7: Nevin.

2240
01:45:56,293 --> 01:45:57,932
Speaker 3: You're speaking for a lot of people there. I think

2241
01:45:58,492 --> 01:46:00,812
Speaker 3: it's a great text after this long.

2242
01:46:01,093 --> 01:46:04,852
Speaker 2: It would be interesting if and look, we're in the

2243
01:46:04,933 --> 01:46:07,612
Speaker 2: top four, but if you dared to dream that it

2244
01:46:07,692 --> 01:46:10,612
Speaker 2: was possible, Boy, tell you what the top the three

2245
01:46:10,652 --> 01:46:12,652
Speaker 2: teams above us pretty tough. But anyway, let's not get

2246
01:46:12,692 --> 01:46:16,213
Speaker 2: into it. It would be so interesting when the Warriors

2247
01:46:16,253 --> 01:46:18,492
Speaker 2: finally do one. Yeah, it's like when the Cubs finally

2248
01:46:18,532 --> 01:46:22,452
Speaker 2: won or the Red Sox finally won after all those years.

2249
01:46:23,253 --> 01:46:25,932
Speaker 2: Interesting to see what would happen with the country exactly, Steve,

2250
01:46:26,093 --> 01:46:26,812
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

2251
01:46:28,053 --> 01:46:33,892
Speaker 11: Kilda killdo a good subject. I'm surprised that this golfer

2252
01:46:33,973 --> 01:46:38,933
Speaker 11: kid what he said. You know, if you listened to

2253
01:46:38,973 --> 01:46:40,932
Speaker 11: the last half hour of talkback, you'd have it atle

2254
01:46:40,973 --> 01:46:42,333
Speaker 11: sort of the advice. It's been great.

2255
01:46:44,732 --> 01:46:47,333
Speaker 2: We'll package it up and send it over to Yeah,

2256
01:46:47,532 --> 01:46:48,253
Speaker 2: I think you should.

2257
01:46:49,412 --> 01:46:52,093
Speaker 11: But yeah, he'll be right. I think he just needs

2258
01:46:52,133 --> 01:46:55,973
Speaker 11: to maybe turn his skills to get where he got

2259
01:46:56,053 --> 01:46:58,213
Speaker 11: e golfing to the rest of to the rest of

2260
01:46:58,293 --> 01:47:01,893
Speaker 11: his life, because no doubt he's he knows how to

2261
01:47:02,372 --> 01:47:06,093
Speaker 11: process moment by moment and do the details.

2262
01:47:07,173 --> 01:47:07,333
Speaker 5: You know.

2263
01:47:07,572 --> 01:47:10,613
Speaker 11: My own well, I feel I'm having a really successful

2264
01:47:10,692 --> 01:47:13,572
Speaker 11: life in my and I'm I'm sort of middle aged

2265
01:47:13,652 --> 01:47:16,852
Speaker 11: dude now getting moving on in the years, and I've

2266
01:47:16,933 --> 01:47:21,572
Speaker 11: never been enjoying my life more more than now. But

2267
01:47:21,692 --> 01:47:23,852
Speaker 11: it didn't come by accident. I had to crawl out

2268
01:47:23,893 --> 01:47:28,732
Speaker 11: of a hole several holes actually years ago. I just look,

2269
01:47:28,812 --> 01:47:32,133
Speaker 11: I've had a big journey on to get to where

2270
01:47:32,133 --> 01:47:36,333
Speaker 11: I'm at. But I personally don't think that anyone in

2271
01:47:36,412 --> 01:47:39,932
Speaker 11: today's world is able to stand on their own two

2272
01:47:40,053 --> 01:47:44,732
Speaker 11: feet by their upbringing of that family alone. Put it

2273
01:47:44,812 --> 01:47:48,933
Speaker 11: this way. Everyone I admire met, some of them have

2274
01:47:49,013 --> 01:47:53,132
Speaker 11: come from great homes, but they've got further coaching, further training,

2275
01:47:53,372 --> 01:47:58,213
Speaker 11: they've upskilled themselves, developed themselves. You know, there's life coaches

2276
01:47:58,293 --> 01:47:59,933
Speaker 11: and all of that sort of thing. And then of

2277
01:47:59,973 --> 01:48:03,213
Speaker 11: course they have their own personal drive to stand and

2278
01:48:03,333 --> 01:48:05,933
Speaker 11: everybody who stands out in the world today seems to

2279
01:48:08,652 --> 01:48:09,852
Speaker 11: have that kind of input.

2280
01:48:10,652 --> 01:48:13,173
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Steve, and I'm very

2281
01:48:13,213 --> 01:48:15,173
Speaker 2: glad that you that you're the happiest you've ever been

2282
01:48:15,253 --> 01:48:15,572
Speaker 2: in life.

2283
01:48:15,652 --> 01:48:15,852
Speaker 24: Yeah.

2284
01:48:15,853 --> 01:48:18,652
Speaker 3: Absolutely, This is a nice text. Listen to some of

2285
01:48:18,772 --> 01:48:21,772
Speaker 3: Chris Martin's philosophical outlook on life, modest views, and willingness

2286
01:48:21,812 --> 01:48:24,013
Speaker 3: to help others and emphasize that we all have the

2287
01:48:24,093 --> 01:48:27,012
Speaker 3: same needs in life. He certainly seems like a guy

2288
01:48:27,253 --> 01:48:31,133
Speaker 3: that is quite introspective and he's had immense success in

2289
01:48:31,213 --> 01:48:34,932
Speaker 3: his life Chris Martin, But I imagine even Chris Martin

2290
01:48:34,973 --> 01:48:36,213
Speaker 3: would have his low days sometimes.

2291
01:48:36,333 --> 01:48:37,852
Speaker 2: Well, I was just thinking this morning, I was listening

2292
01:48:37,893 --> 01:48:40,772
Speaker 2: to my cost game and he was eviscerating Chris Martin

2293
01:48:41,013 --> 01:48:45,532
Speaker 2: for the situation around the CEO and the cheating scandal

2294
01:48:45,572 --> 01:48:47,893
Speaker 2: on the Kis Camp kind of situation and saying that

2295
01:48:48,293 --> 01:48:51,253
Speaker 2: Chris Martin hadn't come through and said anything. But I

2296
01:48:51,293 --> 01:48:55,012
Speaker 2: imagine having spoken to Chris Martin, he would be feeling

2297
01:48:55,053 --> 01:48:57,173
Speaker 2: it because it was just a little thing, right, It's

2298
01:48:57,293 --> 01:49:00,213
Speaker 2: just it went up and it's blown up on these people,

2299
01:49:00,652 --> 01:49:03,492
Speaker 2: and of course there's families involved and lives are ruined.

2300
01:49:03,572 --> 01:49:06,093
Speaker 2: But that was never the intention of that, that Kiss

2301
01:49:06,133 --> 01:49:07,933
Speaker 2: Camp situation. It was just a little fun thing that

2302
01:49:07,973 --> 01:49:10,253
Speaker 2: he does in the in the concerts.

2303
01:49:09,893 --> 01:49:10,532
Speaker 3: A little joke.

2304
01:49:10,652 --> 01:49:14,052
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, I imagine Chris Martin is currently

2305
01:49:14,053 --> 01:49:16,772
Speaker 2: at a looner his life. Yeah, dealing with thinking about

2306
01:49:16,772 --> 01:49:20,372
Speaker 2: the magnitude of that's that's that that particular moment. The

2307
01:49:21,093 --> 01:49:24,173
Speaker 2: happiness is relative. If you haven't faced adversity, sets backs,

2308
01:49:24,213 --> 01:49:26,452
Speaker 2: and injury or trauma, then the success is going to

2309
01:49:26,492 --> 01:49:30,372
Speaker 2: feel a lot different to someone who has experienced that.

2310
01:49:31,173 --> 01:49:33,852
Speaker 2: I have replaced myself with three better human beings in myself.

2311
01:49:33,973 --> 01:49:36,692
Speaker 2: I made my three kids my career work coming second.

2312
01:49:37,412 --> 01:49:39,812
Speaker 2: They are good people, well partnered, and happen to be

2313
01:49:40,213 --> 01:49:43,013
Speaker 2: career successful. That brings me joy and happiness every day.

2314
01:49:43,053 --> 01:49:45,532
Speaker 2: I'd like more dollars to retire on, but this is better.

2315
01:49:45,772 --> 01:49:48,452
Speaker 2: Only wish that they are all lived a bit closer.

2316
01:49:48,572 --> 01:49:49,252
Speaker 3: That is beautiful.

2317
01:49:49,253 --> 01:49:54,132
Speaker 2: There you go, family friends, It's pretty good stuff. Dallas.

2318
01:49:55,812 --> 01:50:00,372
Speaker 30: Yeah, Hi, guys, what about perfection of them? Like golf,

2319
01:50:00,933 --> 01:50:04,812
Speaker 30: golf is a different sports, kind of unique sport, because

2320
01:50:04,853 --> 01:50:07,852
Speaker 30: your your opponent is the golf course, right, Yeah, you're

2321
01:50:07,853 --> 01:50:10,333
Speaker 30: trying to You're trying to beat the golf course, not

2322
01:50:10,372 --> 01:50:11,133
Speaker 30: another person.

2323
01:50:11,652 --> 01:50:13,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you are the person. You're trying to

2324
01:50:13,652 --> 01:50:15,612
Speaker 2: beat yourself. You're trying to beat your own head.

2325
01:50:16,293 --> 01:50:20,492
Speaker 30: You blame yourself yet, because the quest is perfection and

2326
01:50:21,053 --> 01:50:25,012
Speaker 30: it's easily measurable, and golf you can easily measure success

2327
01:50:25,173 --> 01:50:27,492
Speaker 30: because the hole on the one hole in one is

2328
01:50:27,612 --> 01:50:32,893
Speaker 30: the ultimate and the ultimate round would be eighteen for eighteen.

2329
01:50:35,053 --> 01:50:38,253
Speaker 2: That if you get if you could drive the length

2330
01:50:38,293 --> 01:50:39,133
Speaker 2: of a part five.

2331
01:50:40,412 --> 01:50:43,172
Speaker 30: Yeah, so they're trying for that. They're trying to achieve

2332
01:50:43,772 --> 01:50:46,812
Speaker 30: a square of eighteen, which obviously you never get, but

2333
01:50:46,893 --> 01:50:50,732
Speaker 30: they're trying. So it's a perfections sport and.

2334
01:50:51,973 --> 01:50:54,572
Speaker 2: And it's a punishing sport if you think about you're

2335
01:50:54,572 --> 01:50:59,372
Speaker 2: swinging your club and even a millimeter wrong, and that

2336
01:50:59,612 --> 01:51:01,652
Speaker 2: over the length let's just say the length of a drive,

2337
01:51:02,253 --> 01:51:06,533
Speaker 2: that that millimeter hitting it wrong just gets exponentially exaggerated.

2338
01:51:07,093 --> 01:51:09,333
Speaker 2: So the accuracy you have to have playing golf to

2339
01:51:09,412 --> 01:51:13,972
Speaker 2: the level that shift the plays like so intense.

2340
01:51:15,933 --> 01:51:19,772
Speaker 30: I think you should sometime on perfections because that's Steve

2341
01:51:19,812 --> 01:51:23,852
Speaker 30: Hansen's story. That was interesting, Like he's a perfectionist, right,

2342
01:51:25,213 --> 01:51:28,852
Speaker 30: he didn't allow himself or the or Blacks any any

2343
01:51:28,973 --> 01:51:30,012
Speaker 30: joy joy.

2344
01:51:30,333 --> 01:51:32,973
Speaker 3: I agreed, Dallas, And I've been around a lot of

2345
01:51:33,133 --> 01:51:35,973
Speaker 3: very successful people who are perfectionists, and I see it,

2346
01:51:36,412 --> 01:51:38,652
Speaker 3: and I have seen it where they are so much

2347
01:51:38,692 --> 01:51:41,412
Speaker 3: of a perfectionist that they can't see when they've actually

2348
01:51:41,612 --> 01:51:45,772
Speaker 3: done quality, good work because it wasn't quite perfect. So

2349
01:51:45,893 --> 01:51:48,253
Speaker 3: they never feel that joy of actually doing a good

2350
01:51:48,412 --> 01:51:51,333
Speaker 3: job because they can always find something that didn't quite

2351
01:51:51,492 --> 01:51:54,852
Speaker 3: go to plan. And that's that's a hard thing to

2352
01:51:54,893 --> 01:51:56,492
Speaker 3: live with for a lot of people because that's why

2353
01:51:56,492 --> 01:51:57,172
Speaker 3: they're successful.

2354
01:51:57,253 --> 01:51:57,372
Speaker 9: Right.

2355
01:51:57,572 --> 01:52:02,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there you go. Welcome to the show. Ba

2356
01:52:02,853 --> 01:52:03,572
Speaker 2: from the North Shore.

2357
01:52:04,612 --> 01:52:09,173
Speaker 16: Yeah, Hey, guys, just listening to the talk, I totally

2358
01:52:09,253 --> 01:52:12,372
Speaker 16: agree with quite a number of your callers there. You know,

2359
01:52:12,812 --> 01:52:17,372
Speaker 16: my keys for success or faith, my family and faro

2360
01:52:17,652 --> 01:52:22,612
Speaker 16: and just really those are the two key things of

2361
01:52:22,652 --> 01:52:25,333
Speaker 16: course success. I've spent the last three weeks in the

2362
01:52:25,492 --> 01:52:29,812
Speaker 16: intensive care the ADU unit at by Takadair Hospital, and

2363
01:52:30,492 --> 01:52:32,492
Speaker 16: my brother's been in there. He's been really really ill,

2364
01:52:32,732 --> 01:52:35,253
Speaker 16: and Tommy four times he was going to die. And

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Speaker 16: you learn pretty quick what happiness really means to you

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Speaker 16: because the toys and all the things that you have.

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Speaker 16: And but I tell you what, when I saw obviously

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Speaker 16: we pray for them. But at the same time we

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Speaker 16: had our Farna come through and the Faro, the family

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Speaker 16: came through. And he's seventy years old, but family came through,

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Speaker 16: and all his friends from yais saying, Glenn Eden came

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Speaker 16: through and man, I tell you what. The doctors sat

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Speaker 16: there two weeks later and said, you don't know how

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Speaker 16: this can come up, but he was sitting up and

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Speaker 16: he was, you know, And and that was true success

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Speaker 16: for all of us because he'd built up a yeah,

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Speaker 16: he'd built up a family that really loved him and

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Speaker 16: cared for him, and he built up a whole group

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Speaker 16: of friends. And I'll tell you now, a lot of

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Speaker 16: people might look and think, oh, yeah, they're just west Is,

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Speaker 16: but I'll tell you their heart and the way to

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Speaker 16: that they had was phenomenal. And I knew he felt it,

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Speaker 16: and he just got better and better. And now we haven't.

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Speaker 16: He's still not out of the woods, but he's he's

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Speaker 16: now in a private hospital where they're really caring for him,

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Speaker 16: and he's really blossoming.

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Speaker 24: You know.

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Speaker 16: So you've got to weigh up you know what is

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Speaker 16: when you have success? You know what is you walk

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Speaker 16: down those wards and you soon find out. You know,

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Speaker 16: when you see these long, you know, rectangular metal things

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01:53:58,213 --> 01:54:02,372
Speaker 16: going past you, you know that that's another person. That's

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Speaker 16: just the part. Then you realize, you know what weighing

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01:54:05,732 --> 01:54:09,852
Speaker 16: up success really is. You know, I think that's my secret.

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Speaker 16: If I was going to answer, there'd been my face.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously that puts things into PERSEEKTI Ba absolutely, thank

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Speaker 3: you very much. I'm glad your friend is doing a

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Speaker 3: bit better now. Right, we're going to play some messages,

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Speaker 3: but when we come back, we'll wrap this all up.

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Speaker 3: It is eight minutes to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:54:30,013 --> 01:54:30,972
Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 4: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talk zed.

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Speaker 3: B, News talks ed B. It is five to four

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Speaker 3: and that is us for another day. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Before about this message from that was written a few

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Speaker 2: years ago by this woman, Holly Butcher. It was twenty

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Speaker 2: four hours before she died of cancer, and this is

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Speaker 2: what she said. It's a strange thing to come to

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Speaker 2: the terms with your own mortality. At twenty six. We

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Speaker 2: go through life expecting tomorrow, planning for the future, and

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01:54:57,293 --> 01:55:00,253
Speaker 2: imagining growing old. I dreamt of a life filled with love,

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Speaker 2: children and laughter, but cancer had other plans. Now I

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Speaker 2: see how fragile and precious life is. Each day is

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Speaker 2: a gift, not a guarantee. I didn't write this to

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01:55:07,853 --> 01:55:09,973
Speaker 2: make anyone fear death, but to remind you not to

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Speaker 2: sweet the small stuff, appreciate the now, be grateful for

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Speaker 2: your body, move it, feed it well, and don't waste

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01:55:16,333 --> 01:55:19,573
Speaker 2: money hating it. Stop fixating on floors that won't matter

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Speaker 2: in the end. Instead, breathe in fresh air so can nature,

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Speaker 2: and taken the beauty of simply being alive. Spend your

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Speaker 2: time on experiences, not things. Don't miss a beach trip

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Speaker 2: because you bought another dress, Cook a meal for a friend,

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01:55:31,333 --> 01:55:34,012
Speaker 2: write them a heartfelt note and say I love you often.

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01:55:34,772 --> 01:55:38,053
Speaker 2: Wine less, help more, give generously. It brings more joy

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Speaker 2: than anything money can buy. And value people's time. Show up,

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Speaker 2: be present, and put down your phone. You don't need

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Speaker 2: a perfect body, a high paying job, or an instagram

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01:55:47,293 --> 01:55:50,493
Speaker 2: worthy life. Do what makes your heart happy. Say say

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Speaker 2: no to things that drain you. And if someone makes

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01:55:52,733 --> 01:55:56,573
Speaker 2: you miserable, change it, and someone, if something makes you miserable,

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Speaker 2: change it, and please donate. Blot it gave me another

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Speaker 2: year with my loved ones, a year filled with some

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Speaker 2: of the best memories of my life. That gift meant

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Speaker 2: everything until then till we meet again, see you.

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Speaker 3: As beautiful mate. Thank you very much. Right that is

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Speaker 3: us for another day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Why am I playing this song?

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01:56:13,093 --> 01:56:16,413
Speaker 3: Oh better Black Sabbath, of course because sadly the Prince

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Speaker 3: of Darkness passed away of a night but water tune

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Speaker 3: and what a man.

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Speaker 2: And correct It's mum I'm coming home, a solo Ozzy

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Speaker 2: Osborne song from the No More Tears album from nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety one. But right now, thank you for listening. Everyone,

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Speaker 2: see it tomorrow afternoon. Until then, give a taste of Keaty.

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Speaker 3: I Love you.

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