WEBVTT - Leighton Smith Podcast #277 - March 26th 2025 - Guy Hatchard 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from news talks it B. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:16.173 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:16.693 --> 0:00:19.733 It's time for all the attitude, all the opinion, all 0:00:19.773 --> 0:00:24.813 the information, all the debates of the now the Leyton 0:00:24.933 --> 0:00:27.613 Smith podcast Coward by news talks it B. 0:00:27.973 --> 0:00:30.773 Welcome to podcasts two hundred and seventy seven for the 0:00:30.813 --> 0:00:34.093 twenty sixth of March twenty twenty five. I'm going to 0:00:34.293 --> 0:00:37.173 reverse the order of two double seven for a moment 0:00:37.213 --> 0:00:40.373 which reflects the way that it came together. At the 0:00:40.453 --> 0:00:43.733 back end is something that you shouldn't miss. The climate 0:00:43.893 --> 0:00:47.773 scam is over. It's a headline, and I'm aiming it 0:00:47.973 --> 0:00:51.253 directly at the politicians of this country who have misled 0:00:51.373 --> 0:00:55.493 and continue to mislead on climate through every administration, and 0:00:55.493 --> 0:00:59.893 they're robbing the country and its taxpayers of billions of dollars. 0:01:00.253 --> 0:01:04.693 And they do it sometimes unwittingly because they have closed minds. 0:01:05.013 --> 0:01:09.613 But back to the introduction, A strange mental illness is 0:01:09.653 --> 0:01:14.533 spreading via infected information networks. Now, that's the heading for 0:01:14.573 --> 0:01:17.893 the Hatchet Report on March twenty. When I read it, 0:01:18.253 --> 0:01:21.613 I dropped any other considerations for two double seven and 0:01:21.733 --> 0:01:25.573 made contact with Guy Hatchett, and so he is today's guest. 0:01:26.293 --> 0:01:30.333 Media outlets have begun to admit error. These are subheadings 0:01:30.893 --> 0:01:36.853 how distorted information networks, manipulatus, COVID vaccine messaging was designed 0:01:37.013 --> 0:01:41.653 to mislead, and where to in the information age? In 0:01:41.693 --> 0:01:46.453 the modern age, information has been mistaken for knowledge at 0:01:46.453 --> 0:01:50.133 it's eight necessarily so. And there's some very good correspondents 0:01:50.173 --> 0:01:53.413 in the mail room this week, and I should say, 0:01:53.493 --> 0:01:55.773 and this is the right time to do it, that 0:01:55.853 --> 0:01:58.693 if you'd like to correspond with us latent at newstalksb 0:01:58.813 --> 0:02:02.173 dot co dot nz or Carolyn at newstalksb dot co 0:02:02.453 --> 0:02:05.933 dot nz. I've been leaving it till the end of 0:02:05.933 --> 0:02:09.213 the podcast for quite a while, Will keep saying he 0:02:09.293 --> 0:02:10.893 should do it at the front. And there we go, 0:02:11.613 --> 0:02:14.333 Laton Smith. But first, there's something I want to quote you. 0:02:15.333 --> 0:02:18.573 This comes from the bank cover of a book by 0:02:19.093 --> 0:02:22.533 Victor Davis Hanson, and I think that you are aware 0:02:22.573 --> 0:02:25.253 of my respect for Victor Davis Hanson. The book is 0:02:25.293 --> 0:02:28.653 The Dying Citizen, and Hanson shows once again why he's 0:02:28.693 --> 0:02:33.053 America's premier scholar, writer, and political observer, Drawing on his 0:02:33.093 --> 0:02:37.173 training as a classicist and clearly informed by his deep 0:02:37.333 --> 0:02:41.133 personal experience living and farming in California, San Joaquin Valley. 0:02:41.653 --> 0:02:45.533 Hanson has written a tour de force on the history, rights, 0:02:45.693 --> 0:02:49.693 and responsibilities of modern citizenship and the galaxy of forces 0:02:49.733 --> 0:02:54.533 that are undermining the concept of citizenship today. Now he 0:02:54.573 --> 0:02:58.453 concentrates the course on American citizenship and probably any Anglo 0:02:58.533 --> 0:03:00.533 speaking country in the world. And this is what he 0:03:00.573 --> 0:03:03.533 said in a column on March twenty of this year. 0:03:03.853 --> 0:03:08.973 The left knowingly pushed falsehoods on COVID, Biden's fitness, laptop, 0:03:08.973 --> 0:03:14.133 and the border dividing the nation while facing no accountability. Now, 0:03:14.173 --> 0:03:17.293 I'm going to restrict this pretty much to the first 0:03:17.373 --> 0:03:22.813 mention COVID, because that is the subject of much discussion today. 0:03:23.333 --> 0:03:26.573 For years, the left has advanced utter untruths for cheap 0:03:26.693 --> 0:03:29.653 partisan purposes that it knew at the time were all false, 0:03:30.013 --> 0:03:33.253 and now, when caught, they just shrug and say they 0:03:33.253 --> 0:03:35.733 were lying all along. Once it was known that the 0:03:35.773 --> 0:03:39.173 first COVID nineteen case originated in or near a Chinese 0:03:39.213 --> 0:03:44.133 commonist virology lab engineering gain in function deadly viruses with 0:03:44.293 --> 0:03:49.533 help from Western agencies, the left went into full persecution mode. 0:03:49.693 --> 0:03:55.053 They damned as incompetent, racist, and conspiratorial any who dared 0:03:55.133 --> 0:03:58.053 follow logic and evidence to point out that the Chinese 0:03:58.093 --> 0:04:02.453 government and its military were both culpable for the virus 0:04:02.493 --> 0:04:07.293 and lying. A million Americans died of COVID, millions more 0:04:07.333 --> 0:04:10.413 suffered long term. Still, the left wing media and the 0:04:10.413 --> 0:04:14.293 Biden administration demonized anyone who dared speak to the truth 0:04:14.493 --> 0:04:17.933 about a lab origin of the deadly virus. The lies 0:04:18.013 --> 0:04:21.173 were designed to protect the guilty who had helped fund 0:04:21.173 --> 0:04:25.613 the virus's origins, such as doctors Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins. 0:04:26.333 --> 0:04:29.253 The Biden administration also tried to use the lab theory 0:04:29.293 --> 0:04:34.933 to ridicule a supposedly pro Trump conspiracy. Western corporate interests 0:04:35.093 --> 0:04:38.813 deeply invested in China did not want their partner held 0:04:38.853 --> 0:04:43.973 responsible for veritably killing and maiming hundreds of millions worldwide. 0:04:44.213 --> 0:04:46.653 Almost as soon as Joe Biden was inaugurated, the left 0:04:46.733 --> 0:04:49.173 knew that he was physically and mentally unable to serve 0:04:49.173 --> 0:04:52.613 as president. Indeed that was the point. And then further on, 0:04:52.693 --> 0:04:56.653 he makes sir comment on Hunter Biden's laptop, refers to 0:04:56.733 --> 0:05:00.533 the debate between Biden and Trump and says a lying 0:05:00.653 --> 0:05:03.973 media damned Trump as a puppet of Vladimir Putin. Joe 0:05:03.973 --> 0:05:06.413 Biden little more than a week later won the twenty 0:05:06.493 --> 0:05:11.333 twenty election. Biden administration deliberately destroyed the southern border and 0:05:11.333 --> 0:05:15.213 welcomed twelve million illegal aliens, and that it lied that 0:05:15.253 --> 0:05:18.453 Biden had no power to stop the influx. And he 0:05:18.493 --> 0:05:21.373 concludes with this summary, all of these lies have divided 0:05:21.373 --> 0:05:25.173 the country and permanently damage the US. The perpetrators have 0:05:25.453 --> 0:05:29.093 neither apologized for their lies, nor tried to either deny 0:05:29.413 --> 0:05:33.293 nor substantiate them. No one involved has ever been held 0:05:33.533 --> 0:05:37.933 legally accountable. The legacy media permanently ruined its reputation and 0:05:38.013 --> 0:05:41.573 will likely never be seen as credible again. And the 0:05:41.613 --> 0:05:45.933 Biden administration, overseer of these many lies, will be regarded 0:05:46.013 --> 0:05:52.133 as the most duplicitous and dishonest presidency in modern history. Now, 0:05:52.173 --> 0:05:54.573 how can you disagree with that? How can you argue 0:05:54.573 --> 0:05:59.013 with that? You can't? Nah, After a short break, we'll 0:05:59.053 --> 0:06:10.973 talk with Guy. Hatchan is an antihistamine made in Switzerland 0:06:11.053 --> 0:06:14.693 to the highest quality. Leverix relieves hay fever and skin 0:06:14.853 --> 0:06:19.373 allergies or itchy skin. It's a dual action antihistamine and 0:06:19.533 --> 0:06:24.653 has a unique nasal decongestent action. It's fast acting for 0:06:24.733 --> 0:06:27.813 fast relief and it works in under an hour and 0:06:28.013 --> 0:06:31.573 lasts for over twenty four hours. Leverrix is a tiny 0:06:31.613 --> 0:06:35.373 tablet that unblocks the nose, deals with itchy eyes, and 0:06:35.413 --> 0:06:39.893 stops sneezing. Leverx is an antihistamine made in Switzerland to 0:06:39.933 --> 0:06:42.693 the highest quantity. So next time you're in need of 0:06:42.773 --> 0:06:46.853 an effective antihistamine, call into the pharmacy and ask for 0:06:47.093 --> 0:06:53.013 Leverx lv Rix, Levrix and always read the label. Takes 0:06:53.093 --> 0:06:57.253 directed and if symptoms persist, see your health professional. Farmer 0:06:57.293 --> 0:07:12.293 Broker Auckland Latam Smith. Guy Hatchard, PhD is a former 0:07:12.453 --> 0:07:16.773 senior manager at genetic Id, which is a global food 0:07:16.813 --> 0:07:20.453 testing and certification company. He's lived in New Zealand for 0:07:20.733 --> 0:07:23.973 a good number of years now. He has been on 0:07:24.013 --> 0:07:26.573 the podcast on more than one occasion in the past, 0:07:27.373 --> 0:07:32.253 and while he's subject to much criticism from weld quarters 0:07:32.293 --> 0:07:35.293 that want to criticize him because they don't like what 0:07:35.373 --> 0:07:39.373 he says, I have found after being skeptical. I said 0:07:39.373 --> 0:07:42.453 this before, after being skeptical at the beginning, when people 0:07:42.493 --> 0:07:46.653 were encouraging me to interview Guy Hatchet. I've discovered that 0:07:46.773 --> 0:07:52.293 there is a certain reliability to his commentary. So Guy, 0:07:52.333 --> 0:07:54.213 it's good to have you back on the. 0:07:54.693 --> 0:07:57.733 Great Beyond Layton. Good to talk. 0:07:57.853 --> 0:08:01.133 The cause of my making contact with you on this 0:08:01.173 --> 0:08:05.333 occasion was what you released on the twentieth of March, 0:08:06.213 --> 0:08:11.973 A strange mental illness is spreading of via infected information networks. 0:08:12.373 --> 0:08:15.053 But before we get onto that, I just want to 0:08:15.093 --> 0:08:17.973 cover off something else, because we'll not cover it off, 0:08:17.973 --> 0:08:19.973 but I want to make mention of something else. You 0:08:20.173 --> 0:08:24.173 earlier in January wrote something that was headed waking up 0:08:24.213 --> 0:08:28.053 from the dream of biotechnology. Now you've been opposed to 0:08:28.253 --> 0:08:33.573 this genetic experimentation that this country looks like it might 0:08:33.733 --> 0:08:37.733 very well head for, and your experience at genetic Id, 0:08:38.533 --> 0:08:41.493 the company, my guess is, stands you in very good 0:08:41.573 --> 0:08:47.853 stead for being a participant knowledgeably in the biotech debate. 0:08:48.613 --> 0:08:52.813 Absolutely. I mean I worked in a company that we 0:08:53.853 --> 0:08:58.613 dealt with the world's biggest food ingredient suppliers, people like 0:08:58.733 --> 0:09:08.173 ADM and Cargo, and we had to certify their food 0:09:08.733 --> 0:09:14.013 free of genetic engineering in order that they could access 0:09:14.333 --> 0:09:19.373 export markets. And as a result of my position there 0:09:19.933 --> 0:09:24.613 and my background in science. Of course, I came across 0:09:24.973 --> 0:09:30.493 and had a lifelong contact with people working in biotech 0:09:30.533 --> 0:09:34.293 research and gene therapy and so on, so at an 0:09:34.373 --> 0:09:40.453 inside view of the impact of genetic engineering on economic 0:09:40.693 --> 0:09:45.733 systems and on food systems, and that dovetails very well 0:09:45.773 --> 0:09:48.853 with what we're facing today, which is the government planning 0:09:48.893 --> 0:09:54.453 to deregulate biotechnology, which to my mind is extraordinary after 0:09:54.493 --> 0:09:57.733 what we've just been through for five years of the pandemic. 0:09:58.293 --> 0:10:01.413 We'll get onto that, but let's go back and begin 0:10:01.533 --> 0:10:04.813 with the cause of the conversation. One of the first 0:10:04.853 --> 0:10:08.333 to suggest that COVID was created in a lemb biologists, 0:10:08.773 --> 0:10:13.293 Elena Chan, faced death threats and was branded a race traitor. 0:10:14.053 --> 0:10:18.733 Now she tells Ian Burrell there was a real conspiracy 0:10:18.733 --> 0:10:22.293 among very powerful scientists. The cover up was morally repugnant. 0:10:22.573 --> 0:10:25.533 End quote. The story is unfolded at length and well 0:10:25.573 --> 0:10:28.453 worth the time spent reading it. This article that we're 0:10:28.493 --> 0:10:32.253 quoting from discusses how this could have could have happened 0:10:32.573 --> 0:10:36.293 and why similar tropes are continuing to influence public opinion 0:10:36.413 --> 0:10:39.253 to this day. Just back up for me and fill 0:10:39.333 --> 0:10:41.773 us in a bit more on Alena Chan. If you would. 0:10:42.253 --> 0:10:46.573 Alena Chan is a scientist working in biotech, and of 0:10:46.573 --> 0:10:50.373 course biotech is a huge enterprise in employing millions of 0:10:50.413 --> 0:10:56.053 people these days around the world. And she looked very 0:10:56.133 --> 0:11:04.093 early on at the structure of the COVID virus and realized, 0:11:04.213 --> 0:11:07.613 as many people did around the world, that this obviously 0:11:07.693 --> 0:11:14.693 came from a and she thought, this question has to 0:11:14.733 --> 0:11:18.173 be asked now. That's all she did. She asked the 0:11:18.293 --> 0:11:20.813 question is she said, when we're looking at the origin 0:11:20.893 --> 0:11:25.093 of COVID, we need to also consider the possibility that 0:11:25.133 --> 0:11:29.773 it came from a lab, and that was sufficient to 0:11:29.933 --> 0:11:34.573 cancel her. It ultimately led to the loss of her 0:11:34.693 --> 0:11:39.733 job because she was treading on very powerful toll toes. 0:11:40.453 --> 0:11:45.173 People who had been involved in the experimentation at Wuhan 0:11:45.373 --> 0:11:50.973 Virology Lab wanted to ensure that no such questions were asked, 0:11:51.253 --> 0:11:53.933 so they said about shutting her up and shutting many 0:11:53.973 --> 0:11:59.653 people up. I talked to people in gene therapy very 0:11:59.693 --> 0:12:03.453 early on, and they said, categorically, this came from a lab, 0:12:04.733 --> 0:12:07.813 but please don't mention my name because I'll lose my job. 0:12:08.373 --> 0:12:12.893 This was an area that was absolutely suppressed and it 0:12:12.933 --> 0:12:15.733 was a conspiracy. It was a genuine conspiracy. And we 0:12:15.813 --> 0:12:19.173 know it's a conspiracy because now, as a result of 0:12:19.293 --> 0:12:25.333 hearings in the Senate in the US, the actual texts 0:12:25.733 --> 0:12:29.373 of emails that the people involved in trying to shut 0:12:29.453 --> 0:12:34.093 up these questions have come out, and they themselves knew 0:12:34.573 --> 0:12:38.333 and believed it came from a lab. And yet they 0:12:38.333 --> 0:12:41.573 said about shutting it up because they were protecting their turf. 0:12:41.773 --> 0:12:46.893 They were protecting themselves from blame. They were protecting biotechnology 0:12:46.933 --> 0:12:48.613 in general from criticism. 0:12:48.893 --> 0:12:53.053 At what level were these people with whom you spoke. 0:12:53.253 --> 0:12:58.013 Well, they were people who were involved in gene therapy 0:12:58.133 --> 0:13:01.413 at some of the most prestigious institutions in the world, 0:13:01.573 --> 0:13:05.853 leading institution. These were leading scientists, and they were being 0:13:05.893 --> 0:13:09.813 shut up. These were not people on them on the edges. 0:13:10.533 --> 0:13:14.653 I mean, for example, Richard Richard H. E. Bright, who 0:13:14.773 --> 0:13:23.733 is a world renowned microbiologist and an expert on biotechnology safety. 0:13:23.973 --> 0:13:26.493 I mean, he was speaking up from the beginning and 0:13:26.573 --> 0:13:31.173 asking questions. He was warning journalists, but again his voice 0:13:31.453 --> 0:13:34.933 was drowned out. And how and the story of how 0:13:35.253 --> 0:13:40.093 how they succeeded in drowning out this conversation is the 0:13:40.213 --> 0:13:45.373 very interesting topic of the article. We're going to be discussing. 0:13:45.133 --> 0:13:48.933 What about the level of people who were who were well, 0:13:49.013 --> 0:13:50.253 who were telling the lies. 0:13:51.093 --> 0:13:56.573 How high you couldn't go much bigger than that. 0:13:55.893 --> 0:14:01.293 That's true, but earlier, but earlier on, before it became 0:14:01.373 --> 0:14:03.453 obvious that he was he was part of it, and 0:14:03.493 --> 0:14:05.813 he was he was fibbing. 0:14:06.133 --> 0:14:09.053 Yeah, there were right, there were people who are fronting it. 0:14:09.093 --> 0:14:11.813 There were scientists who were fronting it, who were publishing 0:14:11.893 --> 0:14:19.373 papers in Nature, in the Lancet, and they were concocted. 0:14:20.213 --> 0:14:23.373 They were deliberately concocted. And again their emails show this. 0:14:24.173 --> 0:14:29.533 These papers were deliberately concocted to suggest that it was 0:14:29.773 --> 0:14:34.653 only a snotic origin, the origin from animals that could 0:14:34.733 --> 0:14:41.133 be considered. And they've since been picked apart mathematically and genetically, 0:14:41.293 --> 0:14:45.373 and that's published now and in the public record, and 0:14:45.453 --> 0:14:50.653 they were deliberately misleading and those paper. Interestingly, those papers 0:14:50.693 --> 0:14:55.533 have not been withdrawn. They're still in you know, you 0:14:55.573 --> 0:14:59.173 can still access them on the web, even though they're 0:14:59.173 --> 0:15:08.253 completely discredited. Because the people clubbed together to protect by 0:15:08.573 --> 0:15:14.893 technology presented themselves as trusted sources. And this is how 0:15:14.893 --> 0:15:18.973 they worked. They had names, people like Faucci and so 0:15:19.093 --> 0:15:22.413 on had names, and they were recognized as trusted sources, 0:15:22.493 --> 0:15:28.253 and they used that to leverage public opinion using well 0:15:28.293 --> 0:15:30.453 known principles of network science. 0:15:31.213 --> 0:15:33.933 Do you know if any of those people who have 0:15:34.053 --> 0:15:36.133 paid the price that they should pay. 0:15:37.413 --> 0:15:39.813 You know, obviously they haven't. I mean, Faucchi as to 0:15:39.853 --> 0:15:43.133 a certain extent, has been discredited. Peter Daizac, who was 0:15:43.173 --> 0:15:49.653 the one basically organizing the research in Wuhan, He's British. 0:15:49.773 --> 0:15:56.373 He is now banned from receiving any more grants from NIH. 0:15:56.533 --> 0:15:59.133 These are very mild kind of punishments. They are kind 0:15:59.133 --> 0:16:02.533 of you know, slat with a wet flannel over your 0:16:03.133 --> 0:16:07.933 smallest finger, and you know, we're dealing here with a 0:16:07.933 --> 0:16:11.973 pandem that in which millions of people have died. And 0:16:12.093 --> 0:16:16.533 yet the punishments so to speaker, oh, well that was 0:16:16.973 --> 0:16:20.093 you know, will be sort of a little bit careful 0:16:20.093 --> 0:16:21.413 about this person in future. 0:16:21.493 --> 0:16:23.373 All right, So that's that person, But there are lots 0:16:23.373 --> 0:16:27.573 of other persons who will not be affected by it 0:16:27.733 --> 0:16:32.373 and undoubtedly will continue on the same or a similar path. 0:16:33.853 --> 0:16:40.213 Well, there is a huge industry biotechnology. It's an absolutely 0:16:40.333 --> 0:16:45.373 huge industry, and you know it's one built on imagination 0:16:45.533 --> 0:16:49.893 and dreams that we've seventy years now, more than seventy 0:16:49.973 --> 0:16:53.693 years since the structure, the hellicore structure of DNA was discovered, 0:16:54.213 --> 0:16:59.213 and we've been promised miracle cures but they haven't materialized. 0:16:59.293 --> 0:17:02.613 But still we're being asked for more grant money, more funding, 0:17:03.293 --> 0:17:06.533 less regulation, let us do whatever we want to do. 0:17:06.693 --> 0:17:12.253 But it's not paradigm that's producing results. It looks far 0:17:12.373 --> 0:17:16.693 more like a lottery. You know, In a lottery, millions 0:17:16.693 --> 0:17:20.933 of people every week are doomed to disappointment, but there's 0:17:21.093 --> 0:17:25.133 one group who profit every week. That's the organizers of 0:17:25.173 --> 0:17:29.453 the lottery. And what we're seeing is that biotech is 0:17:29.533 --> 0:17:36.213 promising every week, but I don't really see any useful 0:17:36.253 --> 0:17:39.693 results coming out. As far as public health or agriculture 0:17:39.693 --> 0:17:42.213 are concerned. It's time we drop these people. 0:17:44.613 --> 0:17:49.213 Okay. Now, media outlets have begun to admit error. I 0:17:49.253 --> 0:17:52.973 know that The New York Times, for instance, has well 0:17:53.013 --> 0:17:57.333 not fessed up, but alluded to the fact that, in 0:17:57.373 --> 0:18:02.013 other words, they've spread the responsibility, alluded to the fact 0:18:02.053 --> 0:18:07.573 that they were misled, where in fact they weren't just misled, 0:18:07.613 --> 0:18:08.293 they were part of it. 0:18:09.973 --> 0:18:13.173 Absolutely. Yeah. They published an article just a couple of 0:18:13.253 --> 0:18:15.893 days ago we were badly misled about the event that 0:18:16.053 --> 0:18:19.973 changed our lives. And it reported that seventy seven Nobel 0:18:20.253 --> 0:18:21.933 it's in thirty one Science. 0:18:22.213 --> 0:18:26.973 Sorry, seventy seven Nobel laureates. 0:18:25.613 --> 0:18:30.413 Seventy seven Nobel laureates and thirty one scientific societies were 0:18:30.453 --> 0:18:34.653 involved in the cover up, and that included deliberately planning 0:18:34.693 --> 0:18:38.613 to mislead journalists about the origin of COVID. And that's 0:18:40.493 --> 0:18:42.453 you know, that's the New York Times, and the New 0:18:42.533 --> 0:18:48.293 York Times is a paper that has consistently been very 0:18:48.333 --> 0:18:53.733 pro government policy. So this is a big turnaround for them. 0:18:54.413 --> 0:18:59.813 And nevertheless, they were well informed right from the beginning. 0:18:59.813 --> 0:19:05.493 That was a big problem. They were told that the 0:19:05.893 --> 0:19:09.093 research at wu HAN was like look looking for a 0:19:09.133 --> 0:19:13.133 gas leak with a lighted match, and they and they 0:19:13.173 --> 0:19:17.933 ignored it, and that all this is is very well documented, 0:19:17.973 --> 0:19:21.573 but extraordinarily it hasn't really reached New Zealand why, I 0:19:21.613 --> 0:19:25.973 don't know. Our papers just seem to be just not 0:19:26.213 --> 0:19:31.093 prepared to admit that they made mistakes in the coverage 0:19:31.133 --> 0:19:32.053 of COVID. 0:19:32.133 --> 0:19:36.213 And of their much of their information, much of their 0:19:37.093 --> 0:19:42.053 journalism comes from American media, especially The New York Times, 0:19:42.133 --> 0:19:47.013 Washington Post and some other places, and they rolled with 0:19:47.133 --> 0:19:51.733 them and having found that they were misled themselves, if 0:19:51.773 --> 0:19:54.613 you'd like to be generous, they don't want to make 0:19:54.613 --> 0:19:56.413 reference to it because it just draws attention. 0:19:57.093 --> 0:20:01.413 Yeah, absolutely, it undermines their standing. Of course, they are 0:20:01.453 --> 0:20:04.453 standing has been undermined because a lot of what they 0:20:04.573 --> 0:20:09.493 predicted at the outset of the pandemic is so obviously 0:20:09.533 --> 0:20:13.813 not true. But it's kind of frightening that we're still 0:20:13.853 --> 0:20:17.653 in the dark here whereas overseas. I mean, for example, 0:20:17.853 --> 0:20:23.853 just yesterday there was an article in which Boris Johnson 0:20:24.733 --> 0:20:28.413 was writing a former British Prime minister, and he was 0:20:28.453 --> 0:20:36.133 saying that he now accepts the lab leak origin of COVID, 0:20:36.493 --> 0:20:40.093 and his conclusion is we need to go after the 0:20:40.213 --> 0:20:44.133 Chinese government and hold them to account. Well, of course 0:20:44.173 --> 0:20:48.733 the research occurred in China, but it was funded by 0:20:48.813 --> 0:20:54.013 the US. And he's he himself, this is one of 0:20:54.013 --> 0:20:57.413 the revelations that has come out. Was informed when he 0:20:57.493 --> 0:21:00.573 was Prime Minister by the head of mi I six, 0:21:00.973 --> 0:21:05.693 Richard Dierlove, that COVID came from a lab with one 0:21:05.773 --> 0:21:09.693 hundred percent certainty. This was the conclusion of the British 0:21:10.253 --> 0:21:16.493 Secret Service in twenty twenty, and Boris Johnson himself buried 0:21:16.533 --> 0:21:21.373 the report. He now wants to deflect intelligence, you know, 0:21:21.453 --> 0:21:24.573 attention by saying, oh, we should go after China. Well, 0:21:25.133 --> 0:21:28.733 China wasn't at fought here. It was a biotech community 0:21:29.093 --> 0:21:36.253 which is working really outside any sort of safety factors 0:21:36.333 --> 0:21:42.773 which are reasonable, and who have you know, started this 0:21:42.893 --> 0:21:48.493 whole program of gain of function research, making viruses more 0:21:48.573 --> 0:21:51.773 deadly and seeing what happened and seeing if they could 0:21:51.773 --> 0:22:00.773 stop them. That was beyond any reasonable assessment of acceptable risk. 0:22:01.333 --> 0:22:05.333 And that they're the area. That's the area that has 0:22:05.373 --> 0:22:10.253 to be held account not China, not not even America 0:22:10.333 --> 0:22:13.653 per se. It was a community that had started to 0:22:13.693 --> 0:22:17.213 do things and it hasn't stopped. That was the other 0:22:17.253 --> 0:22:20.933 thing that the New York Times article warned against. The 0:22:20.973 --> 0:22:25.733 Research of that character is still going on at Wuhan 0:22:26.013 --> 0:22:31.573 Virology Institute, still using a low lab safety protocol. That 0:22:31.693 --> 0:22:37.053 has to be stopped. It's risky and how do how 0:22:37.093 --> 0:22:37.973 does it get stopped? 0:22:38.573 --> 0:22:47.493 There has to be an open conversation that starts where goodness, 0:22:47.533 --> 0:22:48.933 how does one to stop it? 0:22:48.973 --> 0:22:53.973 There has to be global legislation outlawing biotechnology experimentation. There 0:22:54.013 --> 0:22:57.893 has to be some kind of international agreement, and there 0:22:57.933 --> 0:23:02.413 has to be a knowledge revolution when it comes to biotechnology, 0:23:03.133 --> 0:23:10.333 because biotechnology has has these misleading public ideas that are 0:23:10.373 --> 0:23:14.053 promoted to make it all sound very safe and interesting 0:23:14.173 --> 0:23:22.413 and wonderful and miraculous. We have humans have about twenty 0:23:22.493 --> 0:23:29.133 thousand genes, but these genes have trillions of functions, trillions 0:23:29.173 --> 0:23:34.493 of functions. And the idea that one gene is responsible 0:23:34.533 --> 0:23:38.013 for one thing, and if you change that gene, then 0:23:38.493 --> 0:23:42.053 you're going to improve that one thing. It's just simply 0:23:42.693 --> 0:23:48.973 completely and utterly pause. It's a myth. If you change 0:23:49.013 --> 0:23:52.453 one gene, you're going to change thousands of other functions. 0:23:52.773 --> 0:23:56.533 So, in other words, one gene in your system gets 0:23:56.533 --> 0:24:00.973 affected and engined dead in the water. Well. Is that 0:24:01.013 --> 0:24:01.813 an exaggeration. 0:24:03.013 --> 0:24:08.613 It's a question of the paradigm. Is that you got 0:24:08.613 --> 0:24:11.613 a lot of leeway to it. This is the biotech paradigm. 0:24:11.653 --> 0:24:14.293 You've got a lot of leeway to experiment when it 0:24:14.333 --> 0:24:17.573 comes to genetic systems, and this arises out of a 0:24:17.733 --> 0:24:26.053 misunderstanding of Darwinian ideas about evolution, and actually genetic systems 0:24:26.293 --> 0:24:29.693 have evolved over millions of years and it's an extended, 0:24:30.093 --> 0:24:35.613 integrated ecosystem, which is very, very specific. That has evolved 0:24:35.973 --> 0:24:44.933 is this interdependency, and this system is delicate. The mistake 0:24:45.333 --> 0:24:50.853 is thinking that genes or genetic ethics that are created 0:24:50.933 --> 0:24:54.733 in a laboratory will somehow not upset the fundamentals of 0:24:54.773 --> 0:24:59.613 this system. And what the pandemic teaches us is now, 0:24:59.733 --> 0:25:04.813 especially we know the origin of COVID, that genetic engineering 0:25:05.453 --> 0:25:10.573 does upset the fundamentals of the system. And that's a 0:25:10.613 --> 0:25:15.893 crucial understanding that has to get through that. What has 0:25:15.933 --> 0:25:21.253 happened is we've created a monster. We've trained millions of 0:25:21.333 --> 0:25:25.453 people in biotechnology, and ideas are taught in school that 0:25:25.613 --> 0:25:28.413 somehow it's wonderful and safe and it's going to make 0:25:28.493 --> 0:25:32.973 us live longer, grow taller, become more intelligent, and be 0:25:33.093 --> 0:25:37.933 healthy and happy. And that's simply a myth and there's 0:25:38.013 --> 0:25:40.773 no evidence to support that that's going to happen. 0:25:41.253 --> 0:25:44.533 So you've written extraordinarily some of the scientists involved in 0:25:44.573 --> 0:25:47.813 the cover up still making key decisions that affect us all. 0:25:48.493 --> 0:25:53.333 First question, first question of that, are they New Zealand 0:25:53.373 --> 0:25:55.053 scientists to fall into that category? 0:25:57.013 --> 0:26:03.373 Absolutely. The whole the whole push by industry to deregulate 0:26:03.493 --> 0:26:10.293 biotechnology is this is where the technology built currently before 0:26:10.373 --> 0:26:13.693 Parliament has come from. Is that the scientists are saying, 0:26:14.693 --> 0:26:17.773 we want the freedom to experiment. And this has been 0:26:17.813 --> 0:26:23.133 the whole history of biotechnology around the world, that the 0:26:23.413 --> 0:26:30.213 push not to be regulated. Biotechnologists do not want to 0:26:30.253 --> 0:26:35.693 be regulated. They want to be free to experiment, and 0:26:36.933 --> 0:26:41.013 we shouldn't let them be free to experiment because of 0:26:41.053 --> 0:26:44.493 the experience of the last five years, things can go 0:26:44.813 --> 0:26:48.933 terribly wrong and there will be and there are rogue 0:26:49.053 --> 0:26:56.173 people in the biotechnology system who are doing secretly doing things. 0:26:56.293 --> 0:26:58.733 This again is the lesson of the pandemic. People are 0:26:58.813 --> 0:27:01.693 secretly trying out some wild ideas. 0:27:02.853 --> 0:27:08.973 So Jeremy Farah, now this is stunning. The sims Jeremy 0:27:09.013 --> 0:27:13.853 Farah now Chief Scientists at the World Health Organization instructed 0:27:13.893 --> 0:27:17.213 the authors of a paper that was subsequently published by 0:27:17.333 --> 0:27:23.453 Nature they should specifically rule out a lab origin. So 0:27:23.813 --> 0:27:24.973 Jeremy Farah. 0:27:25.093 --> 0:27:27.653 Now chief Scientists at All. 0:27:28.093 --> 0:27:31.453 I'm just stunned by it. Then Lord Valence, now the 0:27:31.573 --> 0:27:36.413 UK government's Science Minister, quashed the conclusion of MI sixter 0:27:36.533 --> 0:27:40.253 Chief Sir Richard Dilov that a Lablik origin was one 0:27:40.373 --> 0:27:45.133 hundred percent certain. So you have people in Britain who 0:27:45.213 --> 0:27:49.053 are at the top of the political game, who have 0:27:49.413 --> 0:27:53.693 interfered with things that they know nothing about and lied 0:27:53.893 --> 0:27:57.693 and cheated, and they're still in those positions or similar ones. 0:27:58.693 --> 0:28:01.333 Why how does that happen. 0:28:03.613 --> 0:28:06.693 People made a lot of money during the pandemic, and 0:28:06.893 --> 0:28:11.213 people today love people who made lots of money. And 0:28:11.453 --> 0:28:14.373 the people who made lots of money during the pandemic 0:28:14.453 --> 0:28:18.093 were quite varied. The course of the pharmaceutical companies made 0:28:18.133 --> 0:28:20.533 a lot of money, and then there were people providing 0:28:20.653 --> 0:28:27.453 services government pandemic services and masks and policies and consultants 0:28:27.533 --> 0:28:31.813 and so on. And this is an industry that absolutely 0:28:32.133 --> 0:28:36.893 thrives on money. And governments are kind of you know 0:28:36.933 --> 0:28:39.933 they have today they have sort of enormous respect for 0:28:40.093 --> 0:28:44.693 people who made money, however they made it, and so 0:28:45.693 --> 0:28:49.613 in Britain and in the US and in many other countries, 0:28:49.733 --> 0:28:54.733 there is a view that biotechnology is a panacea and 0:28:54.773 --> 0:28:59.493 it's a you know, it's something that's going to go 0:28:59.653 --> 0:29:04.333 on giving financially. But just remember that all of these 0:29:04.373 --> 0:29:09.813 people made money during the pandemic because gave them contracts 0:29:10.013 --> 0:29:18.013 that we paid for it. We impoverished New Zealand the 0:29:18.133 --> 0:29:22.093 UK was impoverished as a result of the transfer of 0:29:22.173 --> 0:29:28.253 funds into the biotechnology industry, into a transfer of funds 0:29:28.293 --> 0:29:33.133 into the very people who we now know caused the 0:29:33.213 --> 0:29:36.693 problem in the first place. That's brightening and the fact 0:29:36.773 --> 0:29:39.613