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Speaker 1: Well are UK bound, Rod Littlebury, morning to you, Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you mate. Since we have last talked and

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Speaker 1: having had a week's holiday, I haven't had a chance

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Speaker 1: to dissct the election, which was pretty much as you

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Speaker 1: called it. It was like having seen that just quickly

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Speaker 1: on the MMP thing versus FPP. Look at the number

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Speaker 1: of seats they got versus the thirty seven percent of

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Speaker 1: the vote. There's something wrong with that system, isn't there.

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Speaker 2: There's something totally wrong with the system. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: no one be grutt it's labor a victory. Everybody was

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Speaker 2: sick of the Conservative Party, even quite a lot of

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Speaker 2: Conservatives as it happens. But to get that number of seats,

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Speaker 2: you know, this massive, massive majority on a lower proportion

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Speaker 2: of the vote than Jeremy Corbyn got in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: it's bizarre. I mean it's bizarre. And the Liberal Democrats,

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Speaker 2: you know, they get seventy odd seats with fourteen percent

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Speaker 2: of the vote. I think Reform got either thirteen or fifteen.

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Speaker 2: I forget now up with five. I mean, it is

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Speaker 2: an absurdity. First past the post works when there's just

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Speaker 2: two parties in it. It doesn't work when there's a

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Speaker 2: multiplicity of parties.

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Speaker 1: As regards the Tories, what do they do now Brushy's gone,

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Speaker 1: of course are going and so where do they go?

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Speaker 1: Who do they pick? How does that process work and

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Speaker 1: how long does it take.

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Speaker 2: I've been talking to quite a few of them. There's

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Speaker 2: quite a few, both defenestrated Conservative MPs and ones who

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Speaker 2: have been re elected who since they need to make

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Speaker 2: an accommodation with the Reform Party, and this would be

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Speaker 2: along the lines of an alliance of the right, as

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Speaker 2: the sophologist Matthew Goodwin has put it, a historic realignment,

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Speaker 2: so that suddenly the Conservative Party and Reform are as

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Speaker 2: one and are pushed out a bit to the margins,

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Speaker 2: but with an awful lot of popular vote. Then there

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Speaker 2: are the one nation Tories. Now I don't think they

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Speaker 2: have a lect to stand on because there is very

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Speaker 2: little clear blue water between what they are and what

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Speaker 2: the Labor Party Areque is for. And whilst they say,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Tory Party has always at its best

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Speaker 2: when it's a one nation party from the center that

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Speaker 2: is not bought up by the electoral statistics. Because Tory

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Speaker 2: parties which have come from the right of one in

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Speaker 2: seventy nine, eighty three, eighty seven, twenty nineteen, and very

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Speaker 2: rarely win from the center because they need those working

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Speaker 2: class votes. So at the moment, where are we with

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Speaker 2: the Conservative leadership. Nobody is looking forward to the Conservative

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Speaker 2: leadership election because it will usually be a bitch fest

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Speaker 2: and nasty and remind us all of the people who

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Speaker 2: used to run us. But Kenny Baderock is out in

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Speaker 2: front at the moment. There's a strong showing from Tom Tuganhat,

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Speaker 2: who is kind of liberal but quite open minded. There's

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Speaker 2: also a fairly strong showing from Suella Braverman, but she

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Speaker 2: doesn't play well for some reason with the public. I

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Speaker 2: think if there was a vote tomorrow, the right would

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Speaker 2: win it. The thing is that the person who's at

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Speaker 2: the front in a Tory leadership contest never actually wins,

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Speaker 2: so that's something Kenny ought to be beware of.

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Speaker 1: Now. I've been doing a lot of reading about this

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Speaker 1: new government of yours, and they've got eight key plans apparently,

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Speaker 1: including finding cash for wind power and helping first buyers

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Speaker 1: under the housing market and all sorts of They're going

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Speaker 1: to let some people out of jail. Are they in

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Speaker 1: a honeymoon. You read a two part question. One can

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Speaker 1: they do all of this too? Are they in a

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Speaker 1: honeymoon period?

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Speaker 2: I think they probably can do quite a bit of it.

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Speaker 2: And yes, they're in a honeymoon period, and I would

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Speaker 2: suggest for a year or two. You know, this is

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Speaker 2: going to be a long honeymoon period. So for example,

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Speaker 2: today we had announced a massive like transit system for Leeds.

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Speaker 2: Leeds is the only country of its it's the only

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Speaker 2: city of its size in Europe which doesn't have a

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Speaker 2: mass transit system. You know, it's a really important city.

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Speaker 2: It's up in the north of England just about and

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Speaker 2: it deserves a mass transit system and that has now

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Speaker 2: been announced. It will be a tram which will go

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Speaker 2: to Bradford, take you down to Kirklees and so on.

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Speaker 2: And that's really what leveling up should have been about,

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Speaker 2: but never was. So that's a huge markup for the

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Speaker 2: Labor Party there. I think they've got to get at

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Speaker 2: grips with energy. I think they've got to build a

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Speaker 2: few nuclear power stations and I think they can do that.

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Speaker 2: We're already hearing very good things from west Street in

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Speaker 2: who is the Labor health spokesman. Are properly reforming the

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Speaker 2: NHS in a way that the Tories kind of couldn't

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Speaker 2: get away with. And he's also said that puberty blockers

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Speaker 2: will continue to be banned for people under the age

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Speaker 2: of eighteen. All of this plays very well with the public.

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Speaker 2: I've got to say, I think the honeymoon will be

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Speaker 2: a longish one.

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Speaker 1: Quick word on the football yesterday. This time yesterday, I

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Speaker 1: didn't think they look likely in the game at all.

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Speaker 1: Really to Southgate go? What happens now?

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Speaker 2: My guess is south Kate won't go, which will annoy

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Speaker 2: an awful lot of people, but not his friends in

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Speaker 2: the sporting sections of the media. He's been found wanting

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Speaker 2: at every time England have come up against a very

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Speaker 2: good team. Now, most people would be found out coming

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Speaker 2: up against Spain, Spain with the deserved winners, and there's

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Speaker 2: no question about that. But England waited until the seventy

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Speaker 2: fifth minute before they attacked, and you know that's been

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Speaker 2: the story of his entire regime. I think the best

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Speaker 2: possible option is he gets knighted, everyone says thank you

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Speaker 2: very very much and he goes. If possible, If that

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Speaker 2: could happen, I would be a happy man.

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Speaker 1: Well we're after that, Rod go, well, we'll see Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Rod a little out of Britain. By the way, my

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Speaker 1: reference to the eight key plans. Pretty good piece by

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Speaker 1: the BBC comprehensive piece the other day as to what

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Speaker 1: their key plans are and how achievable or not they are.

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Speaker 1: They've got the asylum seeker backlog, they've got people in

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Speaker 1: the first times. As I mentioned water bills as a

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Speaker 1: major issue, but this prisoner release thing fascinates me. Thousands

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Speaker 1: of them are going to be released early as of

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Speaker 1: the start of September. Muhmood Sabana Mummud is the new

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Speaker 1: Justice secretary. Total collapse of the prison system and you

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Speaker 1: always read into a little bit of that, of course

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Speaker 1: what they want you to hear, because it's politics. But

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Speaker 1: they're claiming a total collapse of the prison system, total

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Speaker 1: breakdown of law and order without urgent action to ease

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Speaker 1: the prison overcrowding. Under the plan, prisoners will be released

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Speaker 1: after they have served forty percent of their sentence in

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Speaker 1: England and Wales rather than the regular fifty percent, so

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Speaker 1: more people back on the streets. So it will be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see how that plays for more from the

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