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Speaker 2: This is a big story. UFC staff Israel outisagnya. He's

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Speaker 2: throwing his support behind a bill to criminalize coward punches.

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Speaker 2: He is a little bit of what he had to sound.

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Speaker 3: Soo this Israel. I signed your hair. And even though

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Speaker 3: I'm fighting on the other side of the globe, our

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Speaker 3: following brothers and fal Vake are never far from my thoughts.

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Speaker 3: So this bill is now being brought up in parliament.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to the coward punch, and yes it's

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Speaker 3: a cowardly act, I need you guys to really rally

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Speaker 3: up and support this bill. We need to make the

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Speaker 3: punishment fit the crime when it comes to the coward punch,

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Speaker 3: so these guys can't get off in six months after

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Speaker 3: committing a heinous crime that can kill someone. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 3: eliminate this from our culture. Let's eliminate this from our

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Speaker 3: streets because this is not us. So please, when this

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Speaker 3: bill comes up, make sure you rally up and support

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Speaker 3: this bill.

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Speaker 2: So that was UFC star Israel at Assagna. Of course,

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Speaker 2: now the bill has been introduced to Parliament, and the

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Speaker 2: MP that introduced it is National's Newland MP Paulo Garcia,

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Speaker 2: who joins us now grafternoon. Paula, Hello, Tyler and Matt,

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Speaker 2: how are you today?

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Speaker 4: And why does this need to be a specific a

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Speaker 4: specific criminal offense the coward punch?

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Speaker 5: You know, everything in the Crimes Act that has to

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Speaker 5: do with hurting someone requires the proof of intent. And

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Speaker 5: in the situation where someone hits someone, you know, with

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Speaker 5: a strong strike and you know, oneting to put him

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Speaker 5: down or or at the spur of a moment of

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Speaker 5: the moment, then finding intent and moving intent is a

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Speaker 5: difficult thing. So because of it's you know, it's happening

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Speaker 5: a lot now, it's been happening over the past ten

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Speaker 5: years or more, and things like what Israel was saying,

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Speaker 5: we need to put us up to it.

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Speaker 2: It was introduced a similar bill to yours, Paulo, introduced

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Speaker 2: by former National NP Met King. I believe about three

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Speaker 2: or four years ago. It didn't pass at that time.

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Speaker 2: Have you got full confidence it is going to pass

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Speaker 2: this time? And if you do, why do you think

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Speaker 2: it's different?

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Speaker 5: You know that's correct. Matt King was the first National

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Speaker 5: MP who put this out, It's been passed on to

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Speaker 5: other MPs, and when it was picked it was in

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Speaker 5: my name already. I think that the issues raised in

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Speaker 5: the time in the first reading during Matt's time, we're

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Speaker 5: we're we're aware of them, and we've simplified the bill

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Speaker 5: as well. So I am hoping that more people, more

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Speaker 5: more MPs will accross the House actually see see to

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Speaker 5: getting this through.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that people would think before they act

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Speaker 4: in this way if this becomes a specific criminal offense,

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Speaker 4: or do you think people that do these kind of

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Speaker 4: horribly horrible, cowardly acts are in a state of rage

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Speaker 4: or intoxication. Do you think that actually go, well, this

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Speaker 4: is a specific criminal offense, so I'm not going to

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Speaker 4: commit this horrific act.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you know, it won't stop everyone for sure, because

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Speaker 5: people you know, as you said, get intoxicated and or

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Speaker 5: they're they're they're acting in the in the moment and

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Speaker 5: won't be thinking straight. But the awareness of it and

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Speaker 5: the clarity key of the results should they have done

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Speaker 5: something like that that fits into the bill, into what

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Speaker 5: we hope will be legislation. The simplicity of getting to them,

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Speaker 5: I think would be a major deterance.

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Speaker 4: Now, the last time this was brought up, Labor did

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Speaker 4: not support the bill because they believe that legislation and

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Speaker 4: that we have the judges to make the call and

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Speaker 4: the serious can head assaults. So do you don't believe

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Speaker 4: that the judges are making those calls?

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Speaker 5: I think that many times it's difficult to make the

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Speaker 5: call because if you're having to prove intent again, it's

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Speaker 5: not something that is readily you know, uh, supported by

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Speaker 5: evidence or accounts or CCTV or whatever. So I think

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Speaker 5: we want to give the judges a clear pathway to

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Speaker 5: consider this new legislation and use that in the those circumstances.

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Speaker 4: So how is support looking for it? Do you think

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Speaker 4: it'll get through this time?

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Speaker 5: I know that the National Party Caucus supports it. I

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Speaker 5: am hoping that New Zealand First will come on board

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Speaker 5: as well, this was mentioned in the coalition agreement. Also

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Speaker 5: hoping that our colleagues in the Act Party and actually

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Speaker 5: across the whole across the floor. I appeal to all

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Speaker 5: MPs to consider and and and and and say.

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Speaker 1: Yes to it.

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Speaker 2: Paulo, thank you very much for your time, Really good

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Speaker 2: to chat with you and all the beast for the Bill.

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Speaker 5: Hey, thanks so much, guys, I'm I'm a fan. Love

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Speaker 5: being here, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. There is National's new len im

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Speaker 2: p Parlo Gacia who's trying to push this bill through

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Speaker 2: on the coward punch legislation. Do you think there's any

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Speaker 2: fishalks in this particular legislation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that they're one of the

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Speaker 4: greatest rebrandings of all time is rebranding the King Hit

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Speaker 4: to the coward Punch. I think there was a fantastic move,

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Speaker 4: and I hope that that's out there that you know,

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Speaker 4: anyone that does this cowardly act gets shamed by the

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Speaker 4: people around them, But it does seem like a very

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Speaker 4: specifically dangerous thing to do, compared to hitting someone front

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Speaker 4: on or attacking someone front on. I mean, all assaults

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Speaker 4: are terrible, what most assaults are terrible, But just punching

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Speaker 4: someone running up to someone while they're on the street

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Speaker 4: and punching them from behind is just so incredibly cowardly

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Speaker 4: and dangerous. And you know, we've seen a lot of

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Speaker 4: people lose their lives in this country around it.

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