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Speaker 2: Hell are you Great New Zealands And welcome to Men

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Who Hello you Great New Zealand's Welcome to

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler Full Show Podcast number two hundred and

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Speaker 2: ten really went from ten to two thousand to two

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Speaker 2: hundred and ten already under ten back after a holiday,

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Speaker 2: feeling refreshed at a fantastic show. Got a bit spicy

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Speaker 2: around the whole Onceton Peter's speech at the Bloody.

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Speaker 3: You in Yep, got a bit feisty, but it was

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Speaker 3: a great chat.

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Speaker 2: Certainly was I think you'll enjoy that and really amusing

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Speaker 2: calls later on on the other topics that we got

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Speaker 2: stuck into. So good pod, good, good, back, good, return

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 4: Be very good afternoon, Chier, welcome into Monday. So good

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Speaker 4: to have you here with us. I hope you've been

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Speaker 4: doing well.

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Speaker 2: We are back a Matt, get a Tyler, get a

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Speaker 2: great New Zealander. Wherever you're tuning in from, we've got

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Speaker 2: a great three hours of radio coming up for you.

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Speaker 2: And look, I got to say, it is nice to

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Speaker 2: be back when you finish a holiday. You know, we

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Speaker 2: were flying back from Fiji and we were both thinking,

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Speaker 2: oh no, the holiday's over. But you've got to actually

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Speaker 2: put the holiday in the bank and go. That was great.

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Speaker 2: Yet you can't feel sad at the end of the holiday.

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Speaker 2: You've got to go. I've got what I needed out

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Speaker 2: of it. I'm rejuvenated and I'm back into the into

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Speaker 2: the real game again, which is the met entyle afternoons

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Speaker 3: It's a good philosophy.

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Speaker 2: I'm good to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you are good to go. You got a beautiful

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Speaker 3: tan as well. I've got to say thank you something.

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Speaker 2: This has wind burn. There's a bit of wind over

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Speaker 2: in Fiji right especially one day actually we were playing

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Speaker 2: the Natadolar Bay golf Course, Lovely, which is a crazy

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Speaker 2: It's you know, you're teeing off wherever you tee off,

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Speaker 2: this wasn't anything to do with the wind, but I

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Speaker 2: we zoomed over to get my ball. And when we

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Speaker 2: So we thought someone just put this little ball in

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Speaker 2: Brendan McCullum. Oh, no, kidding, Bears McCullum. It was, And

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Speaker 4: It was a good time, Bears McCallum, irish, Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Just today. There you go, So there you go. It's

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Speaker 4: Got mate, That is a great story. Right on to

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Speaker 4: the show today after three o'clock. So, money, all lack

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Speaker 4: of it, as we know, can make or break some relationships,

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Speaker 4: especially when your financial abbots couldn't be more different. There

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Speaker 4: it with an unnamed man. He's asking for advice. He's

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Speaker 2: The long term. Yeah. So should you only hook up

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Speaker 3: So where's the perfect bale holidays? Do you need one

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. That's the

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Speaker 4: chat after three o'clock, After two o'clock. Honesty is the

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Speaker 4: best policy. That's how the saying goes. But is it

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Speaker 4: really Graham Norton He reckons, No, he said in a

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Speaker 4: recent interviews. Sometimes it's kinder to lie, he says, think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I wrote about this in my book. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I think that you should never, ever, ever ever lie.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to openly offer your opinion on everything. Yes, Like,

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Speaker 2: you about your pants, you should. It's kinder to say

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Speaker 2: So I think you should never lie if you can

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Speaker 4: That is going to be a spicy chat after two o'clock,

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Speaker 4: but right now, let's have a chat about this.

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Speaker 3: So New Zealand has just reaffirmed.

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Speaker 4: Its stance it will not recognize a Palestinian state at

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Speaker 5: clarity on next steps. We did not think that time

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Speaker 5: is now. Recognizing Palestine now will likely prove counterproductive. That

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Speaker 5: is harmas resisting negotiation in the belief that it is

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Speaker 4: So the argument there from the government Dan Winston Peters

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Speaker 4: Chris lux And our Prime minister, of course, was asked

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Speaker 6: I actually think we got to the right decision and

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Speaker 6: we made the right decision for New Zealand And which

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Speaker 6: is confirming our previous position saying we're not if but

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Speaker 7: Does it sit comfortably with you in the National Party

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Speaker 9: Absolutely.

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Speaker 6: You've got to remember I'm the Prime Minister who made

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whereas Chris Hipkins, leader of the opposition, has said

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Speaker 2: this will affect our international reputation. Yet this decision of

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Speaker 2: the specific both specific I mean specifically the specific nicely done,

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Speaker 2: we've got a bit of main character syndrome. We have

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Speaker 2: very little influence on the world. So this is the question,

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Speaker 2: Yet yeah, just you know, individually, culturally, governmentally, should we

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Speaker 2: And as has been said in the past, are people

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Speaker 2: waiting with baited breath to hear our ruminations on this

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Speaker 4: Well, Australia wasn't. No, so you've got to wonder who

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Speaker 4: So eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty are we

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Speaker 4: spending too much energy trying to solve something we have

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Speaker 3: This, that is a lot.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of productivity hours that has gone into

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Speaker 2: But all that energy, all that energy, all that energy,

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Speaker 3: For a good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 4: It's nineteen past one. We are talking about our government's

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and not just particularly this one, but does

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, So the speeches is quite in depth and

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Speaker 3: That's pretty damn it.

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Speaker 2: And there was another comment in there as well, Cassie,

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Speaker 2: What things do you think we should focus on outside

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Speaker 10: I just just think that you know, countries that America

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Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what I always find slightly I guess,

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Speaker 2: And the same thing happened to the guy the Primister

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3: It's twenty four.

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Speaker 7: Will you be anticipating some more angsty questions over Palestine?

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Speaker 6: Are highly likely, very happy to address the Palestine question

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Speaker 7: Does it sit comfortably with you in the National Party

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 6: You've got to remember I'm the Prime Minister who made

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Speaker 4: Afternoon twenty seven past one, Kat says Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 2: No, we are not spending too much energy on the

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Speaker 11: Oh hi guys. I think we do need to be

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Speaker 11: So it is connected to what's going on outside to

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Speaker 11: the government's currently calling for a lot of moneyed investors

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Speaker 11: So when we look at the Peter Teel situation, a

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Speaker 11: You know what planetar is. No Planetar is the AI.

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Speaker 11: It's the technology technology that's being used by the Israel

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Speaker 2: But Peter Taylor isn't Peter Tailor isn't in New Zealand anymore.

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Speaker 11: He's still got his citizenship. And if you look up

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Speaker 2: You think that that's this not this this speech at

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Speaker 11: It hinders. But also if we wanted to be serious

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Speaker 2: And that's Peter Teel's a billionia that was looking to

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Speaker 2: I'll just take you at your word that he is

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Speaker 11: We don't want that kind of people. We are that

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Speaker 2: What, what what what kind of people do you want

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Speaker 11: We don't want people who involved in such brutal, inhumane

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Speaker 11: It needs to be looked at and we need to

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Speaker 11: we need to look and see the connections. And we

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much. I just got to say

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Speaker 4: think is nonsense. Right, it is twenty nine to two

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Speaker 4: bagfy surely, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 13: They'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis It's no trouble

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Speaker 13: tramper who fell from a great height into a steep

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Speaker 13: and narrow canyon at Little Akatarawa River yesterday near Upper Hut,

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Speaker 13: receiving moderate injuries. Lisa pausing physical searches for missing christ

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Speaker 13: Church seventeen year old Marley and asking people in Sumner

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Speaker 13: and Scarborough to review CCTV or doorbell camera footage from

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Speaker 13: Friday services. This police remembrance Day in Pontidua and Nelson

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Speaker 13: have paid tribute to police Sergeant Lynn Fleming who died

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Speaker 13: in the line of duty on New Year's Day. They

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Speaker 13: were horrible. Martacopa locals claimed police harrissment and Tom Phillips search.

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Speaker 13: Read more at enz at Herald Premium. Now back to

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Speaker 13: matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Scarlets.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about Winston Peter's speech at the un

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Speaker 2: about recognizing a Palestinian state and New Zealand along with Germany, Italy, Japan,

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Speaker 2: South Korea and a bunch of nations not recognizing a

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Speaker 2: Palatine the state. But we're sort of trying to talk

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Speaker 2: about a slightly different issue to the side of it,

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Speaker 2: which is, are we spending too much of our time

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Speaker 2: and energy, both governmentally and individually on things that we

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Speaker 2: cannot control? And are we, you know, for a want

457
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Speaker 2: of better a word, suffering a little bit of main

458
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Speaker 2: character syndrome and thinking that the world cares what we

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Speaker 2: have to say on the issue Die rang through before,

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Speaker 2: and she said that she thinks that we need to

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Speaker 2: care about it, largely due to Peter Field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but what do you say, Chris your thoughts?

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Speaker 14: Yes, good afflents. Look, I feel sorry for it, you know,

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Speaker 14: people that aren't satisfied that we didn't follow suit like

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Speaker 14: other countries in the Palestine drama. But as far as

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Speaker 14: I'm concerned, we've got enough problems at our own in

467
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Speaker 14: our own country, and we need to look after our

468
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Speaker 14: own affairs they worry about. You know, I understand there's

469
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Speaker 14: a lot of life over there gone bad, but you know, well,

470
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Speaker 14: people die every day. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 14: we've got to put a fine line on what's needed

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Speaker 14: and our own and sort out our own problems and

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Speaker 14: difficulties around that, because yes, we are too much worrying

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Speaker 14: about other countries' problems when their governments should be standing

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Speaker 14: up and doing something about it instead of us having

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Speaker 14: as safe we can't do anything about it where any

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Speaker 14: can say but it's not going to work and change

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Speaker 14: anything and the outcome of it and and that, and

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Speaker 14: I'm glad the government has decided no.

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Speaker 2: So do you spend Do you spend much time online

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Speaker 2: Chris reading about world affairs? I'm just if I just

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Speaker 2: bring this right down to an individual every day.

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Speaker 14: I listen to it every day. I hear it every day,

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Speaker 14: and I mean, yeah, to extent. But when I hear it,

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Speaker 14: and you know, when we've got our own issues, well,

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Speaker 14: why does it bother me? I mean, at the end

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Speaker 14: of the day, we've got a lot of things that

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Speaker 14: we need to sort out here, and like you said,

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Speaker 14: we're spending too much time crying and weeping over something else.

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Speaker 14: And I understand there's problems over there and we need

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Speaker 14: to stand up, but we can't meet the decisions for

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Speaker 14: that country that's got the problems. They've got to, you know,

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Speaker 14: deal with it and make the choices.

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Speaker 2: What do you say to people that talk about it

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Speaker 2: entirely like Die was talking about it in terms of

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Speaker 2: investment and that if we don't make stands internationally, then

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Speaker 2: that can affect us economically.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think, well, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 14: I didn't even know any investment from Well Israel or

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Speaker 14: Peloton was was actually well they're or not a New

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Speaker 14: Zealan But I don't know much about that. But all

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Speaker 14: I can say is is that, well, well, I think

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Speaker 14: were this. You know, I think it comes down to stuff.

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Speaker 14: I think we have to really sometimes have to say

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Speaker 14: no or yes in many situations. But I think New

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Speaker 14: Zealand's too scared to say no and that's why we're

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Speaker 14: And maybe investment is going.

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Speaker 15: To come or not.

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Speaker 14: But that's an individual choice. If someone wants to invest

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Speaker 14: in his own well then then be yeah, well then

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Speaker 14: that's yeah.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for you, cal Chris appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much for your thoughts. So taking

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Speaker 4: your calls on one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Should

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Speaker 4: we be focusing on our challenges closer to home instead

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Speaker 4: of getting entangled in a conflict half a world away.

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Speaker 4: Love to hear your thoughts. Ninety two nine to two

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Speaker 4: is the text number as well. It is twenty one

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Speaker 4: to two.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues to the big trends

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Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

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Speaker 1: used talks, they'd be.

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Speaker 4: Very good afternoon Juit is eighteen to two. So we're

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Speaker 4: talking about Palestine Israel conflict. Are we made a mistaking

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Speaker 4: moral outrage for actual impact when recognition or condemnation changes

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Speaker 4: nothing on the ground, And should we be focusing on

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Speaker 4: the problems we've got here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Do we have main character syndrome where we're trying

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Speaker 2: to spend too much of our energy on stuff we

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Speaker 2: cannot affect? This text, it disagrees what that president last

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Speaker 2: caller would be. Would he be happy if New Zealand

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Speaker 2: got invaded and no other country cared or took a

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Speaker 2: stand on mass deaths? I mean that's an interesting point,

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Speaker 2: isn't it that as a small country, maybe you need

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Speaker 2: to be heard what your opinion is. So if for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason you get in trouble people can't go, well,

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Speaker 2: they didn't seem to care before when this happened to us. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that's maybe a bit of a push back there. George,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, thank you. This whole discussion, please bear with me,

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Speaker 15: reminds me of the froth on the water on my bathtub.

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Speaker 15: When it's all bubbles. Eventually it will all go away

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Speaker 15: when I pulled the plug out and it's all gone

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Speaker 15: down with the water down the plug hole, and it's

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Speaker 15: all come to an end.

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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 15: The reason I say this is because mister Winston's Peter

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Speaker 15: stood up and named Nighted Nations made his speech. One

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Speaker 15: of the attendees in that room was someone that had

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Speaker 15: in front of him State of Palestine written on the label.

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Speaker 15: That country is already recognized, and mister Winston Peters spoke

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Speaker 15: to him. They also recognize New Zealand. We do not

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Speaker 15: have a situation where the State of Palestine does not exist.

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Speaker 15: It's in the United Nations. It is a country that

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Speaker 15: votes on world affairs. My question is what is all this?

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Speaker 15: Who are about when the State of Palestine already exists.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess there's a complexity there, George, because what's

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Speaker 2: happening in the West Bank where you've got the Palestinian

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Speaker 2: authority is one thing. But Gaza voted for Hummas. So

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Speaker 2: Gaza is completely controlled by Hummas and they are two

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Speaker 2: totally different areas that are separated by land mass.

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Speaker 15: That's not the issue. The issue is both pieces of

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Speaker 15: land are called Palestine. The Palestine Authority, yes, they live

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Speaker 15: in the West Bank, and they have denounced Hamas for

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Speaker 15: what they've done and who they are, and want nothing

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Speaker 15: to do with them and want them out of Palestine.

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Speaker 15: They've stood up. I've watched the speech by the Palestinian

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Speaker 15: guy saying all this, that he wanted the Hamas out

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Speaker 15: because they are simply a terrorist group wrecking Palestine.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so in that situation, if we're only dealing with them,

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Speaker 2: then we're not doing then what happens to all the

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Speaker 2: people in Gaza.

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Speaker 15: They are represented of the people of Yeah, but they

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Speaker 15: did a takeover, remember, and kick the other guys out.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but in two thousand and seven Hamas was elected

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Speaker 2: as as the government in the Gaza region.

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Speaker 15: Yes, but what I'm saying, they're not on the United Nations.

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Speaker 15: They don't appear there in presence. The Palestinian Authority does,

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Speaker 15: and they are what the world recognizes. They don't recognize

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Speaker 15: Hamas as a legitimate authority. And yet here we are

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Speaker 15: trying to say, oh, we've got to change track, denounce

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Speaker 15: Watson the United Nations and put in another place the

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Speaker 15: Palestinians with Hamas.

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Speaker 4: But you can see the complexity and the you know,

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Speaker 4: it's it's such a complex situation going on in George,

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Speaker 4: sort of same. Palestine already exists in some circumstance, and

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Speaker 4: clearly Hamas government exists in the Gaza strip. But going

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Speaker 4: back to the main reason why Winston leaders and the

590
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Speaker 4: government said that it's not the right time to recognize

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Speaker 4: an overall Palestinian state is because they felt it was

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Speaker 4: going to impact the two state solution in the idea

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Speaker 4: of jumping into the quagmire as it clearly is is

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Speaker 4: not going to be helpful to achieve that. But thank

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Speaker 4: you very much, George for your call. Tony, how are.

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Speaker 17: You good afternoon, gentlemen. A brief history of the non

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Speaker 17: existent state of Palestine. Palestine has only existed as a

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Speaker 17: part of the Roman Empire, which covered all of what

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Speaker 17: we call the Middle East. It was subsequently consumed by

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Speaker 17: the Ottoman Empire, which at its peak went from Algeria

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Speaker 17: to Vienna and out to as far as the Russian

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Speaker 17: the old Russian borders. Garzas started to exist as a

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Speaker 17: refugee camp at the end of World War Two, when

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Speaker 17: the otto An Empire was sub was defeated by the

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Speaker 17: Allies and it stayed that way for many years while

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Speaker 17: the rest of the Middle East was divided up into

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Speaker 17: roughly what the borders are now. They've had various politic

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Speaker 17: excuse the voice, they've very changes in between. That Gaza

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Speaker 17: has never ever been a state of anything. The United Nations,

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Speaker 17: in its wisdom, when it wants to change the world

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Speaker 17: after in the last fifty years, has chosen to create

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Speaker 17: well to acknowledge, a Palestinian state which largely covers what

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Speaker 17: we called the West Bank, because which have in the

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Speaker 17: minds of the Allies after World War One, it had

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Speaker 17: already been created and called it Jordan. Trans Jordan, which

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Speaker 17: covers the West Bank used to be the western part

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Speaker 17: of the State of Jordan, which is a pretty successful,

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Speaker 17: happily integrated nation within the United Nations. Assyria didn't even exist,

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Speaker 17: notwithstanding the fact that the Muscus has existed as a city.

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Speaker 2: So that's a historical record. So that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 2: you know, states are formed and not formed, and recognized

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Speaker 2: and not recognized over time. So does what bearing does

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Speaker 2: that have on recognizing a Palestinian states? But it could exist,

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Speaker 2: of I mean, things just exist because humans say that

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Speaker 2: we changed the debate.

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Speaker 17: We got to the United Nations and said, hey, guys,

627
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Speaker 17: let's have another state and in the release and let's

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Speaker 17: call it Gaza.

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Speaker 9: Oh, let's call it.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about? What do you think about

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Speaker 2: the question that we're discussing today, Tony? Do you think

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Speaker 2: that New Zealand spends too much time and energy on

633
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Speaker 2: events that we can't affect? If and that's an assumption

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Speaker 2: that we don't have any effect.

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Speaker 17: Entirely, you wouldn't have time to watch question time in

636
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Speaker 17: Parliament because it's between two and three o'clock. All the

637
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Speaker 17: Green Party to do now is it is is turn

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Speaker 17: up with these checker scarves on and to ask the

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Speaker 17: government it it's given the opportunity to ask about the

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Speaker 17: states of our nation. I think there are a lot

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Speaker 17: of eight questions and sort six or eight questions as

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Speaker 17: there are the other parties, and all we talk about

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Speaker 17: is bloody Palestine. And now, if we thought we had

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Speaker 17: a problem, or if they thought we had a problem

645
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Speaker 17: in New Zealand with poverty, with race, relationships, with the ecology,

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Speaker 17: why aren't they asking those questions?

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Speaker 2: What do you think considering the level of problems we

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Speaker 2: have in New Zealand, then we don't have you know,

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Speaker 2: it's hard to quantify that. And what percentage of time

650
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Speaker 2: do you think a party should spend on these international

651
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Speaker 2: issues and what percentage you think they should spend on

652
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Speaker 2: well local issues.

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Speaker 17: I think we spent a wonderful amount of time with it.

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Speaker 17: I mean, I don't hold them much truck for Winston Peters,

655
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Speaker 17: but you've got to give it to him. When he

656
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Speaker 17: makes a speech on Peorer relations, you sit up and listen,

657
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Speaker 17: because he's been doing it for decades and he does

658
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Speaker 17: it very very well.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the rest of the world set up

660
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Speaker 2: and listened, though, Tony, do you think that what Winston

661
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Speaker 2: Peters said, you know, reverberated around the world or do

662
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Speaker 2: you think any.

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Speaker 17: He made our statement in the World Forum, He stated

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Speaker 17: our case as we see it, or as our government

665
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Speaker 17: president government sees it, so be it.

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Speaker 16: And that was.

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Speaker 17: Quite unequivocal, carefully thought out and very very well presented,

668
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Speaker 17: albeit just smothered up in a few seconds by Television

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Speaker 17: New Zealand because it didn't suit their agenda.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you so much for you called, Tony. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. The Sixcess Palestine is a non member observer

672
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Speaker 2: of the United Nations that are they are not a member.

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Speaker 2: So there's I mean, it was confusing when they were

674
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Speaker 2: talking about that, but there's there's someone sitting there with

675
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Speaker 2: the Palestine you know message. What do you call that tag? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: The diplomat well you know the way we tag there

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Speaker 4: the desk. Yeah, what do you call that a dog?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

679
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Speaker 2: The name tag? Yeah, not a name, name tags on you.

680
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Speaker 2: Whatever you've put on the disk that says Palestine on it.

681
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Speaker 2: We will get to the bottom of that. That is

682
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Speaker 2: the most pressing issue working out. One of those things

683
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Speaker 2: is called so nineteen two's and that's something we can solve.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is something we consol But can you get

685
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Speaker 4: your views? So at one undred and eighty ten eighty,

686
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Speaker 4: should we be focusing on challenges closer to home instead

687
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Speaker 4: of getting entangled in the Palestinian Israeli conflict?

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Speaker 3: That is eight to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty Tight, it's Matt Heath.

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Speaker 8: And Tylor Adams afternoons news Dog said, be.

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Speaker 3: News talks there be it is six to two.

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Speaker 2: So we can solve one issue here today, Yes we can,

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Speaker 2: And I was asking, what's the thing that says the

695
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Speaker 2: thing on the front of the desk of the people

696
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Speaker 2: at the UN and it's a nameplate, but this is

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Speaker 2: state of Palestine.

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Speaker 3: It's a name plate nameplate. That is huge.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that is huge.

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Speaker 3: That is a job well done. We can take their box.

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Speaker 2: But they they're a they're not a member. Yes, they're observing.

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Speaker 2: So that's why the speech was whether we recognize Palestinian

703
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Speaker 2: state or not. Welcome to show, Melissa, Hi, So.

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Speaker 18: Just on your first point, do we have a main

705
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Speaker 18: characters in drome in the country? I think in general yes,

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Speaker 18: So I find it quite weird. And you know, there's a

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Speaker 18: Jimmy Fallon show and it mentions New Zealand and then

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Speaker 18: all of a sudden we're all talking about whether we

709
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Speaker 18: appreciated their feedback or something.

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Speaker 17: Quite weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, we do love that.

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Speaker 18: But really, are we spending too much time on this

713
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Speaker 18: on this one issue kind of suggests that it's binary, right,

714
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Speaker 18: you know, you wouldn't say, should we be tooking about

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Speaker 18: education at a time that there's also issues with infrastructure.

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Speaker 18: We've got government departments that are funded for foreign affairs

717
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Speaker 18: and they don't stop stop working because we're currently talking

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Speaker 18: about that. They kind of all exist at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about individual? What about individually? Melissa? Like, if

720
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Speaker 2: you know, someone's spending a lot of time online and

721
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Speaker 2: this is taking up their emotional level, their empathies flying off.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile parts of their actual life and family life are

723
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Speaker 2: drifting because they're so focused on this. And I know

724
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Speaker 2: people like this that are just absolutely obsessed with this conflict.

725
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Speaker 2: Do you think that can go too far? Are you

726
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Speaker 2: seeing any of that?

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Speaker 18: I don't know if well, it's probably a different question

728
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Speaker 18: to the question at hand, But also is that is

729
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Speaker 18: that probably on a personal level, whether someone's spending too

730
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Speaker 18: much online across a number of issues. But really, I

731
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Speaker 18: think you know, with global citizens, you all just talked

732
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Speaker 18: about a holiday to Fiji. We care about our community.

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Speaker 18: Where would you drop that line if you went to

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Speaker 18: Feture and you sort of said, oh, look, there's all

735
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Speaker 18: these social issues going on here, but I'm here to holiday.

736
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Speaker 18: I don't really care about how these people live or

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Speaker 18: or you know, within the community. You could take I

738
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Speaker 18: don't know the other guy's name who called on MUSSA.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Melissa, we're going to have to go to an

740
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Speaker 2: we've got the news coming in fast and we can't

741
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Speaker 2: stop it, so we might trunk you back to you

742
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Speaker 2: just after the break, if that's all right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, thank you very much. Just told their new

744
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Speaker 4: sport and weather is fast approaching. Great to have your

745
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Speaker 4: company is always O eight hundred and eighty teen eighty

746
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Speaker 4: is the number to call. You're listening to Matt and Tyler,

747
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Speaker 4: stay right here back soon.

748
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Speaker 8: Talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons News Dogs.

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Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 4: So we have been talking about the government's decision not

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Speaker 4: to recognize a Palestinian state at this time for our

753
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Speaker 4: Minister Winston Peter's made it clear at the United Nations

754
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Speaker 4: General Assembly, stating that such a move was not prudent

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Speaker 4: without a negotiated resolution between Israel and Palestine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, as we often try and do on the show,

757
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Speaker 2: we're attempting to have a somewhat philosophical debate on the issue,

758
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Speaker 2: and to be honest, we're swimming upstream with that because

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Speaker 2: it's a big issue to try and have a philosophical

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Speaker 2: debate on. So, you know, as I was saying, for

761
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Speaker 2: we keep hearing these decisions like this affect our international reputation.

762
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Speaker 2: But even Australia didn't report widely on what we've said

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Speaker 2: at the UN and not a lot of people there.

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Speaker 2: And as we said before, we're a small nation in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the Pacific and we have very little

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Speaker 2: influence on the world. So the question Tyler and I

767
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Speaker 2: have been trying to ask, are we spending too much

768
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Speaker 2: time worrying about events overseas that we have little or

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Speaker 2: no effect on. You know, there's only so much time

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Speaker 2: and energy for our government and us individually to sort

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Speaker 2: out the problems we have here. Should we be spending

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Speaker 2: more time and energy, both governmentally, culturally and individually on

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Speaker 2: things that we can control? I mean, it goes back

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Speaker 2: to the Great Marcus Ralis. I think it was actually

775
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Speaker 2: probably Epictetus that said this, But Marcus Ralius, whatever, the

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Speaker 2: great Stoics, some things are in our control while others

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Speaker 2: are not. We can control our opinion, choice, desire, aversion,

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Speaker 2: and in a word, everything of our own doing. We

779
00:41:26,853 --> 00:41:29,933
Speaker 2: don't control our body, property, reputation, position, in a word,

780
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Speaker 2: everything not of our own doing. And the Stoic principle

781
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Speaker 2: is you go through and you work out what you

782
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Speaker 2: can control and you can have a positive influence on,

783
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Speaker 2: and you focus most of your energies there. So no

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Speaker 2: one's denying that we should be focusing some of our

785
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Speaker 2: attention on international affairs. Absolutely, that would be crazy. And

786
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Speaker 2: as the text that says, follow the politics or the

787
00:41:51,933 --> 00:41:56,093
Speaker 2: politics will follow you, yep. But the question is are

788
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Speaker 2: we spending too much time on these international issues that

789
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Speaker 2: we have a very small effect on. Yep.

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Speaker 4: Oh at one hundreds oh, one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 4: eighty is the number to call love to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: And we're having a great chat about this very issue

793
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Speaker 2: with Melissa before the news came in like a steamroller

794
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Speaker 2: and we had to let you go. So sorry, sorry

795
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Speaker 2: about that, So welcome back. So your position on this is,

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Speaker 2: if you could, if you could get us up to

797
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Speaker 2: speed again, just to sum us up those people that

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Speaker 2: are just tuning in.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, just sort of around. It's not really a binary

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Speaker 18: issue that you would only have the government focus on

801
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Speaker 18: one saying that other than the other, that we can

802
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Speaker 18: we can be doing these things at the same time

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Speaker 18: as local issues as well as international and just kind

804
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Speaker 18: of thinking about us as global citizens and new Zealanders

805
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Speaker 18: are pretty international in general, so do we kind of

806
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Speaker 18: does that match our social fabric and moral fabric that

807
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Speaker 18: we want to turn a blind eye to something that

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Speaker 18: we can see that's happening and just consider it not

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Speaker 18: our problem. I don't think that's who we are historically.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, would you what would you say.

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Speaker 18: Going to have any impacts? Probably not. But then the

812
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Speaker 18: question is, well, then what should New Zealand do otherwise

813
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Speaker 18: to recognize something really terrible going on? What does that

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Speaker 18: look like? Because it can't be nothing.

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Speaker 2: Well, what would you say? You know, people, and this

816
00:43:17,853 --> 00:43:20,733
Speaker 2: is around a lot and you know Bill Mayer was

817
00:43:20,733 --> 00:43:22,453
Speaker 2: talking about it the other day and his show about

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Speaker 2: the situation in Nigeria, in the situation in South to down.

819
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Speaker 2: So when you say that we turn to turn a

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Speaker 2: blind eye to things, there are so many horrific things

821
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Speaker 2: happening in the world, and what's happening in Gaza is

822
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Speaker 2: one of these incredibly horrific things. But do you think,

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, our focus has turned on to some

824
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Speaker 2: things rather than others. So we are actually all turning

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Speaker 2: a blind eye to some things, whether we like it

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Speaker 2: or not. Melissa, I think some.

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Speaker 18: Get more attention at a time out of need. Right,

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Speaker 18: that's a volume of deaths that have been incurred against

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Speaker 18: Palacinian people by the Israelis at the moment, it's just

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Speaker 18: you know, to a level that's well, while what's going

831
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Speaker 18: on in the Kong Go in Southdain it's really bad,

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Speaker 18: that's not the level and the degree of you know,

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Speaker 18: Israel relies on international governments providing them with within reds,

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Speaker 18: providing them with funding to kill from the States. So

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Speaker 18: it unfortunately just is a global issue that imhaps other countries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean some people and there's some

837
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Speaker 2: times some estimates are that four hundred thousand people have

838
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Speaker 2: been killed in South Sudan civil wars between you know,

839
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Speaker 2: that was just between twenty thirteen and two thousand and eighteen,

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Speaker 2: and that that sort of continues on. So there are

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Speaker 2: ongoing absolute horrors in that region of the world.

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Speaker 18: So then that kind of increases the value and importance

843
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Speaker 18: of an effect of view in where you've got people

844
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Speaker 18: that are charged with or issued an arrest warrant by

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Speaker 18: the UN that can be action or that these and

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Speaker 18: similar to what you're kind of identify fying of wins.

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Speaker 18: In Peter's commentary on the ineffectiveness of the UN Security

848
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Speaker 18: Council as it is currently structured. It's true, that just

849
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Speaker 18: means that this world order or this kind of global

850
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Speaker 18: function of the UN is really important for countries places

851
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Speaker 18: like Congo, like South Sudan, like Palestine, who outside of

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Speaker 18: that have very little power and ability to improve their lives.

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Speaker 2: So do you think it's the magnitude of the situation

854
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Speaker 2: that's causing so much concentrated energy from New Zealand on

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Speaker 2: the situation in Gaza as opposed to these other ones,

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Speaker 2: Because I wonder if it's potentially because of a lot

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Speaker 2: of it's to do with our US focus and that

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Speaker 2: you know, the social media companies come out of US,

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Speaker 2: and we're very focused on the US, so what they're

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Speaker 2: focused on, we become focused on. Do you think there's

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Speaker 2: any truth in that, Melissa?

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Speaker 18: Probably in a lot of ways, New Zealand has some

863
00:46:06,453 --> 00:46:11,333
Speaker 18: kind of weird obsession with America, right, But it's how

864
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Speaker 18: egregious it is. It's the degree of corruption that's going on.

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Speaker 18: You've got apex funding both the Democrats and the Republicans.

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Speaker 18: You've got left wing governments in Australia and in the UK,

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Speaker 18: and a right wing in New Zealand, and they're all

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Speaker 18: making the same decisions on as one country, and it

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Speaker 18: just it doesn't sit right with people to watch these

870
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Speaker 18: babies and children be sorted in this way and to

871
00:46:33,853 --> 00:46:37,333
Speaker 18: see that there's some kind of corruption and fraud going

872
00:46:37,333 --> 00:46:40,733
Speaker 18: on with one country then having the right to just

873
00:46:42,813 --> 00:46:47,613
Speaker 18: permit these atrocities which are widely recognized consistently as being

874
00:46:48,133 --> 00:46:53,053
Speaker 18: war crimes and committing internet breaking international law, that kind

875
00:46:53,093 --> 00:46:53,893
Speaker 18: of how.

876
00:46:53,853 --> 00:46:56,093
Speaker 2: Do you feel about how do you feel about with

877
00:46:56,453 --> 00:46:59,933
Speaker 2: all this and you know, how do you feel about

878
00:47:00,093 --> 00:47:02,613
Speaker 2: har Maas and what harmas is doing to the people

879
00:47:03,133 --> 00:47:04,893
Speaker 2: in Palestine.

880
00:47:05,573 --> 00:47:08,093
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think that har mass is a natural result

881
00:47:08,173 --> 00:47:11,053
Speaker 18: of the lives that they've had to live under. I

882
00:47:11,053 --> 00:47:14,053
Speaker 18: think if you came to my home and killed my

883
00:47:14,133 --> 00:47:17,693
Speaker 18: family in my face, took controlled my electricity, my water,

884
00:47:18,413 --> 00:47:21,733
Speaker 18: my ability to own my own home, you restricted my

885
00:47:21,773 --> 00:47:23,453
Speaker 18: ability to move in and out of the country, you

886
00:47:23,453 --> 00:47:27,333
Speaker 18: destabilize my entire government, I'd probably be kind of angry.

887
00:47:29,893 --> 00:47:32,293
Speaker 2: Kind of angry is one thing. But what happened on

888
00:47:32,293 --> 00:47:36,893
Speaker 2: October seven is what happened on October seven is you know,

889
00:47:37,013 --> 00:47:40,133
Speaker 2: by whatever, whatever however you sit on it, what happened

890
00:47:40,173 --> 00:47:44,093
Speaker 2: on October seven was horrific beyond imagination.

891
00:47:44,533 --> 00:47:47,573
Speaker 18: The degree of crimes that have been happening against Palestine

892
00:47:47,613 --> 00:47:50,373
Speaker 18: for a very long time. You know, you really look

893
00:47:50,413 --> 00:47:54,733
Speaker 18: at October seven, Wasn't that bad in comparing the scale

894
00:47:55,293 --> 00:47:58,533
Speaker 18: of atrocities that have been going on against Palestinians for

895
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Speaker 18: this whole century?

896
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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think just going back to

897
00:48:01,213 --> 00:48:03,853
Speaker 2: the topic that we're originally talking about, do you think

898
00:48:04,173 --> 00:48:07,533
Speaker 2: so you know, you say that there is enough energy

899
00:48:07,573 --> 00:48:08,853
Speaker 2: for us to look at a lot of things, and

900
00:48:08,853 --> 00:48:11,013
Speaker 2: that's that's true. I always find annoying when someone says,

901
00:48:11,333 --> 00:48:13,413
Speaker 2: why is someone dealing with this when there's this happening,

902
00:48:13,453 --> 00:48:15,373
Speaker 2: and you go, well, people can deal with multiple things

903
00:48:15,413 --> 00:48:17,053
Speaker 2: at the same time. They can keep many balls in

904
00:48:17,053 --> 00:48:19,493
Speaker 2: the air. But do you think and do you think

905
00:48:19,573 --> 00:48:22,373
Speaker 2: there is anything in the idea that you can just

906
00:48:22,533 --> 00:48:27,453
Speaker 2: be overrun? And I believe the algorithms of the social

907
00:48:27,453 --> 00:48:29,933
Speaker 2: media companies are responsible to a certain extent for this,

908
00:48:30,133 --> 00:48:32,733
Speaker 2: well a large extent where you just get fed the

909
00:48:32,773 --> 00:48:34,933
Speaker 2: horror and the horror and the horror and the horror

910
00:48:35,573 --> 00:48:38,893
Speaker 2: because that engages you and it keeps you coming coming,

911
00:48:38,973 --> 00:48:42,493
Speaker 2: coming back for more. And can you can you can

912
00:48:42,533 --> 00:48:45,173
Speaker 2: you see how that could potentially take away your focus

913
00:48:45,293 --> 00:48:49,013
Speaker 2: from I would say, your responsibilities go from your family,

914
00:48:49,333 --> 00:48:51,893
Speaker 2: and then you know your immediate family, than your wider family,

915
00:48:51,933 --> 00:48:55,133
Speaker 2: than your community, than you than your country. Can you

916
00:48:55,173 --> 00:48:59,733
Speaker 2: see how that that there could be that nefarious algorithmic

917
00:49:00,893 --> 00:49:04,693
Speaker 2: pressure on people and as a result, individuals and countries

918
00:49:05,133 --> 00:49:07,133
Speaker 2: spend more time, even though you can do a lot

919
00:49:07,133 --> 00:49:09,013
Speaker 2: of things at once, they spend more time then is

920
00:49:09,133 --> 00:49:11,773
Speaker 2: due to be spent in one area.

921
00:49:13,493 --> 00:49:15,893
Speaker 18: I still I hear what you're saying, but I still

922
00:49:15,973 --> 00:49:19,933
Speaker 18: do think it's it's the witnessing the gross injustice and

923
00:49:19,973 --> 00:49:22,773
Speaker 18: the terrible atrocities that it is making people just feel

924
00:49:22,813 --> 00:49:27,493
Speaker 18: so engrossed by it to just think, how how can

925
00:49:27,533 --> 00:49:30,093
Speaker 18: this two years later be happening to these four kids

926
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Speaker 18: and these people who aren't being given refugee status. No

927
00:49:33,213 --> 00:49:35,093
Speaker 18: one's taken them in as refugees, But where do you

928
00:49:35,133 --> 00:49:37,373
Speaker 18: go to avoid it? And I think that can be

929
00:49:37,413 --> 00:49:38,933
Speaker 18: really overwhelming for people.

930
00:49:39,453 --> 00:49:43,413
Speaker 3: But based on what Winston Peters said to the un Assembly,

931
00:49:43,573 --> 00:49:45,613
Speaker 3: do you not see that nuance, Melissa?

932
00:49:45,653 --> 00:49:47,493
Speaker 4: And this is what I get a bit confused by

933
00:49:47,613 --> 00:49:50,413
Speaker 4: the outrage of saying that we're not taking a stance

934
00:49:50,413 --> 00:49:53,093
Speaker 4: here and he made pretty clear the atrocities committed by

935
00:49:53,173 --> 00:49:56,453
Speaker 4: Israel and by Hermas and it is devastation and the

936
00:49:56,453 --> 00:49:58,613
Speaker 4: words here in New Zealand is deeply troubled by the

937
00:49:58,693 --> 00:50:01,853
Speaker 4: humanitarian disasters in Gaza and around the world.

938
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Speaker 3: So that is a stance there.

939
00:50:03,773 --> 00:50:07,133
Speaker 4: And the reason that we haven't recognized Palestinian as a

940
00:50:07,173 --> 00:50:10,013
Speaker 4: state is because our country and our government beliefs that

941
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Speaker 4: will be detrimental to ending this conflict. And I think

942
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Speaker 4: that's the nuance there that people have missed.

943
00:50:17,213 --> 00:50:20,613
Speaker 18: So there's about one hundred and ninety two UN member states, right,

944
00:50:20,773 --> 00:50:25,013
Speaker 18: and something like a one fifty have recognized talesign. So

945
00:50:25,133 --> 00:50:26,573
Speaker 18: are we really going to be the one of the

946
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Speaker 18: forty two that we know better than everyone else that

947
00:50:30,013 --> 00:50:31,773
Speaker 18: now is not the right time. And also around that

948
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Speaker 18: point of timing being wrong. Part of it is around

949
00:50:36,733 --> 00:50:40,013
Speaker 18: the fact that Israel to Sohoto to annex the West

950
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Speaker 18: Bank and control that. So it does have some relevance,

951
00:50:43,333 --> 00:50:47,093
Speaker 18: even if it is minor, around saying, well, you know,

952
00:50:47,173 --> 00:50:49,652
Speaker 18: the global community is saying no, you know, you know,

953
00:50:49,693 --> 00:50:51,292
Speaker 18: we won't accept that as an action.

954
00:50:52,493 --> 00:50:54,453
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for you call, Melissa, appreciate and thanks

955
00:50:54,493 --> 00:50:55,692
Speaker 2: for hanging out over the news.

956
00:50:55,773 --> 00:50:57,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, very thoughtful. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty

957
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Speaker 4: is the number to call. It is seventeen past two.

958
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Speaker 1: Bag very shortly, Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad

959
00:51:05,293 --> 00:51:08,172
Speaker 1: Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh wait.

960
00:51:09,493 --> 00:51:10,533
Speaker 8: News talk said.

961
00:51:11,933 --> 00:51:14,813
Speaker 4: Afternoon, it is twenty past two. A heap texts coming

962
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Speaker 4: through A nine two nine two.

963
00:51:16,133 --> 00:51:18,173
Speaker 2: Hi there. I cannot believe what this woman is saying.

964
00:51:18,373 --> 00:51:21,293
Speaker 2: The swarped idea that October the seventh was not by

965
00:51:21,333 --> 00:51:25,293
Speaker 2: Barrack is abhorrent. As soon as she said the word binary,

966
00:51:25,333 --> 00:51:28,333
Speaker 2: I knew that what this was about. This is ridiculous,

967
00:51:28,453 --> 00:51:33,413
Speaker 2: says this texta in response to Melissa. The Palestinians don't

968
00:51:33,413 --> 00:51:35,493
Speaker 2: want their own states, says Ken. They've been offered it

969
00:51:35,573 --> 00:51:38,533
Speaker 2: three times before. All they want is the Jews to

970
00:51:38,533 --> 00:51:40,293
Speaker 2: be wiped off the face of the earth. And that's

971
00:51:40,293 --> 00:51:45,093
Speaker 2: a fact, according to Ken. Hi, Matt and Tyler, Hey,

972
00:51:45,093 --> 00:51:48,093
Speaker 2: this is on what we were trying to talk about. Yep, okay, good,

973
00:51:48,253 --> 00:51:50,493
Speaker 2: Hi Matt and Tyler. Absolutely, we need to concentrate more

974
00:51:50,533 --> 00:51:54,053
Speaker 2: on New Zealand issues. Look after your own backyard first.

975
00:51:54,373 --> 00:51:56,213
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that the horrific world events are not

976
00:51:56,293 --> 00:51:59,453
Speaker 2: important and aside, Matt, just finished reading your book well down.

977
00:51:59,533 --> 00:52:01,413
Speaker 2: I found it very helpful. I've brought a copy for

978
00:52:01,453 --> 00:52:04,093
Speaker 2: a family member and hoping it will help them. Cheers, Stephen.

979
00:52:04,813 --> 00:52:08,652
Speaker 2: I don't know that second part was coming through in folks, didn't.

980
00:52:08,973 --> 00:52:11,293
Speaker 2: I try and avoid the self sourcing, but sometimes it

981
00:52:11,413 --> 00:52:11,933
Speaker 2: just comes through.

982
00:52:12,013 --> 00:52:14,212
Speaker 4: They good on you, Stephen nicely said. And this one

983
00:52:14,213 --> 00:52:16,933
Speaker 4: from Michelle GeTe Matt and Tyler. I don't think it's

984
00:52:16,933 --> 00:52:19,213
Speaker 4: a matter of turning a blind eye. It is just

985
00:52:19,373 --> 00:52:22,773
Speaker 4: so overwhelming, and I think that sums up a lot

986
00:52:22,773 --> 00:52:25,053
Speaker 4: of it, that it is one of those things that

987
00:52:25,293 --> 00:52:30,253
Speaker 4: most of us have no control over, and it is overwhelming.

988
00:52:29,773 --> 00:52:32,573
Speaker 3: For a lot of people. But there are genuine problems

989
00:52:32,693 --> 00:52:35,053
Speaker 3: right here on home that we do have the power

990
00:52:35,053 --> 00:52:37,133
Speaker 3: to try and change, and there are big problems. A

991
00:52:37,133 --> 00:52:38,933
Speaker 3: lot of people are worried about the economy. That's a

992
00:52:38,933 --> 00:52:39,533
Speaker 3: big problem.

993
00:52:39,733 --> 00:52:43,213
Speaker 2: Yes, So maybe the question is how much of your

994
00:52:43,253 --> 00:52:47,013
Speaker 2: life you should spend on things that you don't really

995
00:52:47,013 --> 00:52:49,893
Speaker 2: have a lot of control over. And yeah, I mean,

996
00:52:49,893 --> 00:52:52,453
Speaker 2: as this person says, if you follow the politics of

997
00:52:52,453 --> 00:52:55,493
Speaker 2: the politics, follow you. And I've had huge arguments with

998
00:52:55,533 --> 00:52:57,813
Speaker 2: my dad about this actually, because I say, you know,

999
00:52:58,533 --> 00:53:01,933
Speaker 2: you're spending too much of your time, you know, on

1000
00:53:02,013 --> 00:53:04,573
Speaker 2: certain issues, yes, and he goes, yeah, but you need

1001
00:53:04,613 --> 00:53:07,613
Speaker 2: to know the issues of the world. And I absolutely

1002
00:53:07,613 --> 00:53:11,293
Speaker 2: absolutely agree with it. But you know, if the algorithm

1003
00:53:11,373 --> 00:53:13,213
Speaker 2: is just freeding you this horror and this horror and

1004
00:53:13,253 --> 00:53:15,373
Speaker 2: this horror and this horror to the point where you

1005
00:53:15,653 --> 00:53:18,252
Speaker 2: are being distracted from time with your kids, or time

1006
00:53:18,293 --> 00:53:20,732
Speaker 2: with your friends, or time with your family, or opportunities

1007
00:53:20,773 --> 00:53:24,732
Speaker 2: to do good in your own community. You know, you

1008
00:53:24,813 --> 00:53:28,813
Speaker 2: could be helping with the charity, you could be doing

1009
00:53:28,973 --> 00:53:31,493
Speaker 2: a number of things. You know, you could be helping

1010
00:53:31,533 --> 00:53:33,293
Speaker 2: friends that are in need. And there's a mental health

1011
00:53:33,293 --> 00:53:36,453
Speaker 2: crisis in this country. You could be you could be

1012
00:53:36,933 --> 00:53:40,413
Speaker 2: helping friends. So you know, it might be worth just

1013
00:53:40,453 --> 00:53:44,173
Speaker 2: taking an audit and going how much of my time

1014
00:53:44,413 --> 00:53:47,893
Speaker 2: and energy am I spending on issues that are being

1015
00:53:48,333 --> 00:53:51,772
Speaker 2: that are coming through my Instagram feed or my TikTok feed.

1016
00:53:52,693 --> 00:53:54,133
Speaker 2: You know, it might just be worth doing an audit.

1017
00:53:55,093 --> 00:53:58,933
Speaker 2: Maybe it's worth ninety five percent, Maybe it's worth five percent,

1018
00:53:59,053 --> 00:54:01,053
Speaker 2: Maybe it's worth three percent. Who knows, Maybe it's worth

1019
00:54:01,053 --> 00:54:05,653
Speaker 2: thirty percent of your emotional time and your political energy.

1020
00:54:05,733 --> 00:54:06,133
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1021
00:54:06,533 --> 00:54:07,973
Speaker 3: Nicely put do the calculation.

1022
00:54:08,893 --> 00:54:10,813
Speaker 2: Only ten percent of people have voted so far in

1023
00:54:10,853 --> 00:54:13,732
Speaker 2: the Auckland local election.

1024
00:54:14,013 --> 00:54:16,813
Speaker 4: We don't care about that, apparently, right, it is twenty

1025
00:54:17,253 --> 00:54:18,133
Speaker 4: three past two.

1026
00:54:18,133 --> 00:54:18,853
Speaker 2: Back in a month.

1027
00:54:22,653 --> 00:54:26,013
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1028
00:54:26,013 --> 00:54:27,813
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk.

1029
00:54:27,693 --> 00:54:30,772
Speaker 4: SIV afternoon to you. It is twenty five past two.

1030
00:54:31,693 --> 00:54:34,613
Speaker 2: The sexer says, you muppets must see the irony of

1031
00:54:34,693 --> 00:54:37,973
Speaker 2: suggesting that we potentially spend too much time talking about

1032
00:54:38,053 --> 00:54:41,293
Speaker 2: issues that we can't control, whilst you have spent an

1033
00:54:41,293 --> 00:54:43,813
Speaker 2: hour and a half talking about an issue you claim

1034
00:54:43,813 --> 00:54:44,973
Speaker 2: we may not be able to control.

1035
00:54:45,333 --> 00:54:47,773
Speaker 3: It's a very good point, all right, Wow, let's move

1036
00:54:47,773 --> 00:54:50,173
Speaker 3: on to a shoe we can control then exactly, Let's

1037
00:54:50,213 --> 00:54:50,652
Speaker 3: move on.

1038
00:54:51,093 --> 00:54:53,613
Speaker 4: But great discussion, and these have a chat about is

1039
00:54:53,613 --> 00:54:56,693
Speaker 4: it okay to lie? So we've all heard that honesty

1040
00:54:56,773 --> 00:54:59,093
Speaker 4: is the best policy, but is it really? Graham Norton,

1041
00:54:59,453 --> 00:55:02,013
Speaker 4: with years of experience as an agony uncle have sort,

1042
00:55:02,053 --> 00:55:05,213
Speaker 4: said in a recent interview that no, sometimes it's kinda

1043
00:55:05,373 --> 00:55:08,053
Speaker 4: to lie, he said, think about it. Not every truth

1044
00:55:08,093 --> 00:55:11,973
Speaker 4: is how Sometimes brutal honesty just causes pain and nobody

1045
00:55:11,973 --> 00:55:12,533
Speaker 4: thinks you for that.

1046
00:55:12,893 --> 00:55:16,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I disagree one hundred percent. I think he's

1047
00:55:16,013 --> 00:55:19,293
Speaker 2: a fantastic broadcaster, potentially the best interview of the world's

1048
00:55:19,333 --> 00:55:24,053
Speaker 2: ever known. Absolutely loves show and you know, love when

1049
00:55:24,093 --> 00:55:26,373
Speaker 2: Kiwi's on there. To go back to our main character syndrome,

1050
00:55:26,573 --> 00:55:28,773
Speaker 2: Absolutely love when there's a Kiwi in the red chair.

1051
00:55:29,613 --> 00:55:32,533
Speaker 2: We've made some incredible appearances there. Interviewed Graham Norton a

1052
00:55:32,573 --> 00:55:36,493
Speaker 2: couple of times, actually, and phenomenal gentlemen. Ye loves loves

1053
00:55:36,493 --> 00:55:36,812
Speaker 2: of wine.

1054
00:55:36,853 --> 00:55:38,013
Speaker 3: Seems very nice.

1055
00:55:37,973 --> 00:55:41,573
Speaker 2: And his wine is fantastic, lovely wine then vivo stuff.

1056
00:55:41,613 --> 00:55:44,893
Speaker 2: But I think he's wrong entirely here. I think that

1057
00:55:45,053 --> 00:55:51,693
Speaker 2: I think lying is you should absolutely try not to lie. Absolutely,

1058
00:55:52,133 --> 00:55:56,053
Speaker 2: I think you should lie as as as little as possible. Lies,

1059
00:55:56,093 --> 00:55:58,293
Speaker 2: even the little ones, and in my humble opinion, make

1060
00:55:58,333 --> 00:55:59,733
Speaker 2: the world a worst place.

1061
00:56:00,133 --> 00:56:03,293
Speaker 4: Wo See, I've got to say, I believe I agree

1062
00:56:03,293 --> 00:56:06,053
Speaker 4: with you that lies are a bad thing. But I'm

1063
00:56:06,093 --> 00:56:09,413
Speaker 4: with Graham Norton here. Clearly, there there are some moments

1064
00:56:09,453 --> 00:56:11,973
Speaker 4: where you need to bend the truth or a little

1065
00:56:11,973 --> 00:56:15,013
Speaker 4: bit of a white lie to briteke someone's overall feelings,

1066
00:56:15,013 --> 00:56:18,652
Speaker 4: because that brutal honesty is going to cause nothing but

1067
00:56:18,733 --> 00:56:19,973
Speaker 4: grief for both parties.

1068
00:56:21,213 --> 00:56:25,573
Speaker 2: No. No, I think people that work in business here,

1069
00:56:25,813 --> 00:56:28,893
Speaker 2: you know, people that run businesses here, say, for example,

1070
00:56:29,173 --> 00:56:31,293
Speaker 2: if you run a cafe. Let's just give an example.

1071
00:56:31,333 --> 00:56:33,573
Speaker 2: You run a cafe and you come over and you've

1072
00:56:33,573 --> 00:56:35,253
Speaker 2: served a meal to people, and they don't want to

1073
00:56:35,253 --> 00:56:37,212
Speaker 2: give you the brutal truth that that meal wasn't good.

1074
00:56:37,693 --> 00:56:40,613
Speaker 2: So they say, and you go, how is everything? You go, great,

1075
00:56:40,653 --> 00:56:42,413
Speaker 2: thank you, even though all the way up to that

1076
00:56:42,453 --> 00:56:44,733
Speaker 2: point you've been complaining to your partner about that meal,

1077
00:56:44,973 --> 00:56:46,293
Speaker 2: but you don't want to give them the brutal of

1078
00:56:46,333 --> 00:56:49,133
Speaker 2: truth because you know, you don't want to hurt their feelings.

1079
00:56:49,373 --> 00:56:51,813
Speaker 2: As a result, they keep serving terrible meals and they

1080
00:56:51,853 --> 00:56:57,293
Speaker 2: go out of business. So I think honesty is actually

1081
00:56:57,333 --> 00:56:59,733
Speaker 2: a gift someone telling the truth, and you should not

1082
00:56:59,733 --> 00:57:01,652
Speaker 2: be offended by honesty. If something's true, how can you

1083
00:57:01,653 --> 00:57:04,293
Speaker 2: be offended by it? Someone tells you the truth, then

1084
00:57:04,413 --> 00:57:08,013
Speaker 2: you thank them for the information. You can't be offended

1085
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Speaker 2: by the true truth.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be going.

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Speaker 2: And and if what someone says is not true, then

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00:57:13,173 --> 00:57:15,613
Speaker 2: how can you be offended by that? Because that's just

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00:57:15,733 --> 00:57:18,533
Speaker 2: it's not true. It's not it's ridiculous. So it has

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00:57:18,533 --> 00:57:20,893
Speaker 2: no meaning if it's if it's if it's not true,

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Speaker 2: it has no meaning. If it is true, it's information.

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Speaker 4: That's very logical. But what do you say? Oh, one

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00:57:24,893 --> 00:57:27,413
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call? Is

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00:57:27,453 --> 00:57:29,533
Speaker 4: it ever okay to tell a lie?

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Speaker 2: I love to hear your thoughts, Matton Tyler. If you

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Speaker 2: misses us, do these genes make my ass look big?

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Speaker 2: Do you tell her the truth? If you're met. Yes,

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00:57:36,893 --> 00:57:38,733
Speaker 2: that's one of the edge cases that we'll talk about.

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Speaker 2: Jus talks.

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Speaker 13: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

1101
00:57:46,493 --> 00:57:49,773
Speaker 13: with a blue bubble. A loosening of quake prone building

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00:57:49,893 --> 00:57:53,293
Speaker 13: standards will exempt Auckland, Northland and the Chatham Islands from

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00:57:53,333 --> 00:57:57,693
Speaker 13: government requirements because they have low seismic risk. A replacement

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00:57:57,733 --> 00:58:00,613
Speaker 13: to the new building standard is being announced today, aiming

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00:58:00,653 --> 00:58:04,173
Speaker 13: to only capture buildings genuinely posing a risk to life.

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00:58:05,253 --> 00:58:08,053
Speaker 13: LEAE have arrested four people after finding a stash of

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00:58:08,093 --> 00:58:12,493
Speaker 13: fire arms and cannabis, and huanganui seizing nine firearms, including

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Speaker 13: high powered rifles. The confirmed death toll of victims from

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00:58:16,773 --> 00:58:19,773
Speaker 13: a shooting and fire at a Michigan Mormon Church has

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00:58:19,853 --> 00:58:23,053
Speaker 13: risen to four Police shot and killed a driver who'd

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00:58:23,133 --> 00:58:26,733
Speaker 13: rammed the church, then fired into the hundreds worshiping in sight.

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Speaker 13: The police officers shot in the head by fugitive Tom

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00:58:30,893 --> 00:58:34,693
Speaker 13: Phillips is continuing to receive intensive support on his road

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00:58:34,733 --> 00:58:39,653
Speaker 13: to recovery after being discharged from hospital. Wanaka's Takahey Mission

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00:58:39,733 --> 00:58:42,973
Speaker 13: is one of three trans Tasman space projects getting Kiwi

1116
00:58:42,973 --> 00:58:46,213
Speaker 13: and Ossie government funding, using it on tech to monitor

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00:58:46,333 --> 00:58:50,253
Speaker 13: surrounding ocean's waters from space for things like drug runners.

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00:58:50,933 --> 00:58:54,413
Speaker 13: Naukland food company fail with thirty five jobs on the line.

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Speaker 13: Find out more at Enzied Herald Premium. Now back to

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Speaker 13: matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Scarlett. So we're talking about line.

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00:59:00,573 --> 00:59:02,373
Speaker 4: This is on the back of an interview Graham Norton

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00:59:02,453 --> 00:59:05,253
Speaker 4: has just done. He said, years of experience as an

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00:59:05,253 --> 00:59:07,613
Speaker 4: agony uncle of sorts. It was asked a question, is

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00:59:07,613 --> 00:59:12,173
Speaker 4: it ever oak to lie? And he said, absolutely, is it?

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00:59:12,453 --> 00:59:14,453
Speaker 4: Sometimes it is kind of to lie. Think about it.

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00:59:14,493 --> 00:59:17,213
Speaker 4: Not every truth is helpful. Sometimes brudge of honesty is

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00:59:17,373 --> 00:59:18,093
Speaker 4: just too cruel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm saying that you should always attempt to

1130
00:59:21,613 --> 00:59:23,253
Speaker 2: tell the truth. And I'm not saying that I always

1131
00:59:23,253 --> 00:59:25,493
Speaker 2: get there. I'm saying that there are times when you know,

1132
00:59:25,773 --> 00:59:28,533
Speaker 2: I catch myself not telling telling untruth, but I know

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00:59:28,653 --> 00:59:32,013
Speaker 2: that that's not the right path. YEA Morally, Morally, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I disagree with Graham Norton. And that's rare that I

1135
00:59:34,453 --> 00:59:37,173
Speaker 2: disagree with Graham Utan because I absolutely love the man. Yeah,

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00:59:37,853 --> 00:59:40,173
Speaker 2: that's no lie, and that is no lie. That is

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00:59:40,213 --> 00:59:42,453
Speaker 2: the truth, the brutal truth. But I think that the

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00:59:42,533 --> 00:59:46,573
Speaker 2: telling of lies complicates your life, and telling lies is

1139
00:59:46,573 --> 00:59:49,173
Speaker 2: an excellent way to complicate your life and pile on

1140
00:59:49,213 --> 00:59:55,173
Speaker 2: stress stress, whether you it's untrue statements, creating misleading impressions,

1141
00:59:56,133 --> 00:59:59,573
Speaker 2: hiding secrets. It all comes out as about twenty five

1142
00:59:59,653 --> 01:00:03,773
Speaker 2: thousand people just texted through, that's a lie. Three people

1143
01:00:03,813 --> 01:00:07,573
Speaker 2: texted through. What a wicked we weave when first we

1144
01:00:07,653 --> 01:00:11,613
Speaker 2: practice to as Shakespeare's here, oh very nice, beautiful as

1145
01:00:11,653 --> 01:00:15,133
Speaker 2: gross exaggeration for effect alive, it probably is embellishing. Is

1146
01:00:15,133 --> 01:00:15,973
Speaker 2: that a lie? Yeah?

1147
01:00:16,133 --> 01:00:17,653
Speaker 3: I think embellishing was clearly.

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01:00:17,493 --> 01:00:19,253
Speaker 2: But no one really thought it was twenty five thousands.

1149
01:00:20,653 --> 01:00:23,333
Speaker 2: There is a lot of them coming through though. Scenario

1150
01:00:23,413 --> 01:00:25,893
Speaker 2: you're building a house. The process is incredibly painful, and

1151
01:00:25,933 --> 01:00:28,933
Speaker 2: you face every challenge possible and the process turns into

1152
01:00:28,933 --> 01:00:31,053
Speaker 2: a negative cost the experience. The client asks for an

1153
01:00:31,133 --> 01:00:33,373
Speaker 2: update and how is everything going. Do you put a

1154
01:00:33,413 --> 01:00:35,733
Speaker 2: negative mark on their dream home? Or do you tell

1155
01:00:35,773 --> 01:00:37,533
Speaker 2: them it's going to be great as the end product

1156
01:00:37,653 --> 01:00:38,853
Speaker 2: is going to be what they asked for?

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01:00:40,413 --> 01:00:42,813
Speaker 4: And you would say to that, you would be brutally honest.

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01:00:43,173 --> 01:00:46,213
Speaker 4: And the someone was building their dream home and you

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01:00:46,293 --> 01:00:49,173
Speaker 4: came along and it looked god awful, you would say

1160
01:00:49,173 --> 01:00:51,413
Speaker 4: brutally in and say, hey, look, I don't I don't

1161
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Speaker 4: know how to tell this to you, but your house looks.

1162
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Speaker 2: Creep I mean that that's a real edge case, there,

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01:00:58,573 --> 01:01:01,293
Speaker 2: isn't it. So someone's just finished something that they've got

1164
01:01:01,333 --> 01:01:03,493
Speaker 2: a giant mortgage on. This is what you're saying. Yeah,

1165
01:01:03,533 --> 01:01:06,213
Speaker 2: so someone's got a giant mortgage on a place they're

1166
01:01:06,213 --> 01:01:10,133
Speaker 2: moved and there's no way out, and you say, they

1167
01:01:10,173 --> 01:01:11,293
Speaker 2: ask you what you think of their house?

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01:01:11,413 --> 01:01:14,733
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that is a tough one, isn't it. That

1169
01:01:14,853 --> 01:01:16,693
Speaker 4: is a really tough one. I mean, maybe you dodge

1170
01:01:16,733 --> 01:01:18,453
Speaker 4: the question and you change tech.

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01:01:18,573 --> 01:01:21,813
Speaker 2: Well, George says, he texted, has texted, and if the

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01:01:21,853 --> 01:01:23,933
Speaker 2: truth hurts you, then you are most likely living in

1173
01:01:23,933 --> 01:01:26,053
Speaker 2: a lie. That's what my grandfather told me.

1174
01:01:26,733 --> 01:01:28,093
Speaker 3: Why why is grandfather?

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01:01:28,773 --> 01:01:30,973
Speaker 4: But I've got to say, you know, I mean, call

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01:01:31,013 --> 01:01:34,253
Speaker 4: me out here if you think that I'm getting on

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01:01:34,293 --> 01:01:37,493
Speaker 4: my high horse here. But generally, when I lie, I

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01:01:37,573 --> 01:01:40,453
Speaker 4: think I am doing it for altruistic reasons that those

1179
01:01:40,533 --> 01:01:44,533
Speaker 4: white lies, I don't gain anything from it. All I

1180
01:01:44,653 --> 01:01:47,413
Speaker 4: gain from it is hopefully sparing the feelings of someone

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01:01:47,413 --> 01:01:50,613
Speaker 4: that I'm talking to. So for example, you know, friend

1182
01:01:50,653 --> 01:01:55,413
Speaker 4: gets a new haircut and the barber's absolutely butchered the

1183
01:01:55,813 --> 01:01:57,693
Speaker 4: head of here, but they are pretty toughed on it.

1184
01:01:57,773 --> 01:01:59,733
Speaker 4: Maybe they're feeling a little bit, you know, I don't know,

1185
01:01:59,853 --> 01:02:02,693
Speaker 4: is this any good? And they asked and say, hey, Tyler, Direckon,

1186
01:02:02,733 --> 01:02:03,493
Speaker 4: my haircut.

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01:02:03,213 --> 01:02:05,613
Speaker 2: Looks pretty good. And I think, yeah, it's really nice.

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01:02:05,653 --> 01:02:07,773
Speaker 4: They've done a really good job, even though I know

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Speaker 4: they'vetely butchered.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it's a question of opinion, And

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I trust your taste to be

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01:02:14,013 --> 01:02:17,533
Speaker 2: brutally honest on a discussion about honesty, Tyler. But aren't

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Speaker 2: you just making it that they aren't you? If they

1194
01:02:21,493 --> 01:02:23,853
Speaker 2: find out that the haircut is ridiculous. So let's take

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01:02:23,893 --> 01:02:26,053
Speaker 2: it to a stupid pair of pants or a stupid

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Speaker 2: shirt that everyone you know, everyone's going to laugh at

1197
01:02:27,773 --> 01:02:29,533
Speaker 2: because it's the same thing, right, Yeah, they got a

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Speaker 2: free shirt on and they said do you think this

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Speaker 2: looks good? And you go yes, and then they go

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Speaker 2: out and everyone they run into things. They're ridiculous. So

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01:02:37,413 --> 01:02:40,773
Speaker 2: you have not hurt their feelings there, but you haven't

1202
01:02:40,813 --> 01:02:43,653
Speaker 2: helped them protect their reputation.

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01:02:43,773 --> 01:02:44,493
Speaker 3: There's a fair point.

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01:02:44,493 --> 01:02:46,253
Speaker 2: What about this one here? This is another edu case.

1205
01:02:46,293 --> 01:02:49,133
Speaker 2: Your dad has Alzheimer's. Your mom died ten years ago.

1206
01:02:49,173 --> 01:02:51,653
Speaker 2: When he asked where his mum and you say she's dead,

1207
01:02:52,013 --> 01:02:56,173
Speaker 2: he is up upset every time. Yeah, so you potentially

1208
01:02:56,213 --> 01:03:00,733
Speaker 2: get into a situation where you traumatize your father over

1209
01:03:00,853 --> 01:03:03,413
Speaker 2: and over and over again. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: See that is a tough one. That is a massive,

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01:03:05,133 --> 01:03:07,493
Speaker 4: huge case there when it comes to white lives.

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Speaker 2: And another one, I wait underd at eighty ten eighty

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01:03:10,253 --> 01:03:13,093
Speaker 2: in business, have you ever had a situation in business

1214
01:03:13,173 --> 01:03:16,373
Speaker 2: with someone Because I believe that New Zealand businesses and

1215
01:03:16,533 --> 01:03:18,213
Speaker 2: art is harsh because I've done a bit of business

1216
01:03:18,253 --> 01:03:20,773
Speaker 2: in Australia and Australians are great because they just tell

1217
01:03:20,813 --> 01:03:23,013
Speaker 2: you they don't like the ideas straight up yep, or

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01:03:23,053 --> 01:03:27,133
Speaker 2: they do and they're honest about it. They'll go nah, nah,

1219
01:03:27,333 --> 01:03:29,373
Speaker 2: done it before boring what else you got and you

1220
01:03:29,493 --> 01:03:31,733
Speaker 2: move on. But I feel like New Zealanders in business

1221
01:03:31,773 --> 01:03:34,253
Speaker 2: will bleed you dry with faint praise and lead you

1222
01:03:34,293 --> 01:03:35,773
Speaker 2: on because they don't want to be the person that

1223
01:03:36,733 --> 01:03:39,453
Speaker 2: puts you down. And as a result, you can do

1224
01:03:39,453 --> 01:03:41,853
Speaker 2: a whole lot of damage because you are putting more

1225
01:03:41,893 --> 01:03:47,133
Speaker 2: resources into developing the idea. You're spending more time talking

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01:03:47,133 --> 01:03:49,853
Speaker 2: to them and organizing meetings that you could be doing

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01:03:49,893 --> 01:03:53,533
Speaker 2: something else, or changing your ideas such that they want

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01:03:53,533 --> 01:03:57,293
Speaker 2: to invest in it. So I think in business honesty

1229
01:03:57,413 --> 01:03:59,973
Speaker 2: is so very important. And you know, just on a

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01:04:00,013 --> 01:04:02,333
Speaker 2: basic level, going back to that cafe example before, if

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01:04:02,333 --> 01:04:04,853
Speaker 2: you're in a shop and someone asks you for feedback,

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01:04:05,053 --> 01:04:07,933
Speaker 2: you're not helping them by protecting their feelings because the

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01:04:07,973 --> 01:04:12,053
Speaker 2: next customer, you know, there's places that I go to

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01:04:12,173 --> 01:04:14,453
Speaker 2: and if the coffee is bad, I just never go back. Yeah,

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01:04:14,493 --> 01:04:17,733
Speaker 2: But you know if they ask you about that and

1236
01:04:17,733 --> 01:04:21,853
Speaker 2: you say the coffee's great, then then you're doing more.

1237
01:04:22,013 --> 01:04:22,933
Speaker 2: You're doing them damage.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very fair point. Business owners, cafe owners, hospitality.

1239
01:04:26,893 --> 01:04:29,253
Speaker 4: Are we too polite in this country and do we

1240
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Speaker 4: avoid actually telling the truth and just vote with our feet?

1241
01:04:32,253 --> 01:04:34,253
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair point. That is something keywis do.

1242
01:04:34,653 --> 01:04:36,253
Speaker 2: This person says if you lie, you have to have

1243
01:04:36,253 --> 01:04:38,893
Speaker 2: an excellent memory. Most people don't. That's a good point

1244
01:04:38,973 --> 01:04:41,373
Speaker 2: because you then taking up so much of your cognitive

1245
01:04:41,413 --> 01:04:44,933
Speaker 2: ability to that you know the truth without having to

1246
01:04:44,973 --> 01:04:47,293
Speaker 2: do anything about it. You don't have to hold a

1247
01:04:47,333 --> 01:04:49,893
Speaker 2: lot of things in the air, but if you start

1248
01:04:49,933 --> 01:04:52,613
Speaker 2: telling lies, then you have to remember a whole lot

1249
01:04:52,653 --> 01:04:54,413
Speaker 2: of things and a lot of your brain space is

1250
01:04:54,453 --> 01:04:55,853
Speaker 2: going to be used going what did I say on

1251
01:04:55,893 --> 01:04:57,693
Speaker 2: that as you Where did I say I was?

1252
01:04:57,813 --> 01:04:58,013
Speaker 17: Then?

1253
01:04:59,213 --> 01:05:03,173
Speaker 2: Oh no, now i'm this person here? And another example

1254
01:05:03,533 --> 01:05:09,293
Speaker 2: is another example is say you're running late, right yep,

1255
01:05:09,493 --> 01:05:12,893
Speaker 2: and you say I'll be five minutes, but you know

1256
01:05:12,933 --> 01:05:15,013
Speaker 2: that you're going to be half an hour, right, So

1257
01:05:15,253 --> 01:05:19,533
Speaker 2: that whole time from there you've you've changed there what

1258
01:05:19,573 --> 01:05:22,613
Speaker 2: their you know their plans might change. But also that

1259
01:05:22,693 --> 01:05:24,893
Speaker 2: whole five minutes when you rush the whole next twenty

1260
01:05:24,893 --> 01:05:27,093
Speaker 2: five minutes where you're rushing to their, then you're full

1261
01:05:27,133 --> 01:05:30,053
Speaker 2: of huge amount of stress. But if you say at

1262
01:05:30,053 --> 01:05:31,933
Speaker 2: the time, hey, look I'm sorry I left laid. I'm

1263
01:05:31,933 --> 01:05:34,133
Speaker 2: going to be another twenty five minutes. It may be

1264
01:05:34,213 --> 01:05:36,013
Speaker 2: hard to say that at the point, but it relieves

1265
01:05:36,093 --> 01:05:38,053
Speaker 2: the pressure at that at that stage, right.

1266
01:05:38,013 --> 01:05:39,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a very fair point.

1267
01:05:39,293 --> 01:05:41,773
Speaker 4: What do you say, though, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty,

1268
01:05:41,973 --> 01:05:44,013
Speaker 4: when is it ever okay to lie?

1269
01:05:44,053 --> 01:05:44,573
Speaker 3: If ever?

1270
01:05:44,973 --> 01:05:46,813
Speaker 4: I love to hear your thoughts? Nineteen nine two is

1271
01:05:46,813 --> 01:05:48,813
Speaker 4: the text number. It is twenty one to three.

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01:05:49,853 --> 01:05:53,093
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

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01:05:53,173 --> 01:05:54,333
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1274
01:05:54,373 --> 01:05:57,493
Speaker 8: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

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01:05:56,973 --> 01:05:59,773
Speaker 4: News Talk sav for a good afternoons You're eighteen to three?

1276
01:05:59,853 --> 01:06:03,653
Speaker 4: Is lying ever okay? Graham Norton says, yep, sometimes line

1277
01:06:03,693 --> 01:06:05,853
Speaker 4: is okay to protect others feelings.

1278
01:06:05,893 --> 01:06:08,093
Speaker 2: Matt read The business scenario says is Texic can we

1279
01:06:08,093 --> 01:06:10,533
Speaker 2: say from tall poppy syndrome? So when they tell you

1280
01:06:10,533 --> 01:06:12,773
Speaker 2: your business is a good idea is because they want

1281
01:06:12,813 --> 01:06:15,373
Speaker 2: to watch you crash and burn instead of soaring like

1282
01:06:15,413 --> 01:06:20,253
Speaker 2: an eagle. It's really really well put. The six says,

1283
01:06:20,253 --> 01:06:22,213
Speaker 2: I wonder if Graham Thorne's wife lied to him when

1284
01:06:22,213 --> 01:06:25,533
Speaker 2: he came home with a perm. Now, I think Graham Thorne,

1285
01:06:25,533 --> 01:06:29,693
Speaker 2: I'm supportive of Graham Thorne's moved toward perm. It was bold,

1286
01:06:29,853 --> 01:06:31,613
Speaker 2: it was bold, and I think it actually looked good.

1287
01:06:31,613 --> 01:06:34,853
Speaker 2: It was just in the world wasn't ready for men

1288
01:06:34,933 --> 01:06:35,893
Speaker 2: to have perms yet.

1289
01:06:36,013 --> 01:06:37,813
Speaker 3: No, it was too early. He was a trendsetter.

1290
01:06:37,973 --> 01:06:41,533
Speaker 2: But I do think that it looked good. So you

1291
01:06:41,573 --> 01:06:44,253
Speaker 2: could say to Graham Thorn, then this is the complexity

1292
01:06:44,293 --> 01:06:47,093
Speaker 2: of lying. You could say to Graham Thorne, your perm

1293
01:06:47,173 --> 01:06:50,733
Speaker 2: looks good, Graham Thorn. Yeah, but equally, if you're going

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Speaker 2: to add information, you will be ridiculed and people will

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Speaker 2: talk about this for generations. But it does actually look

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Speaker 2: quite good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and exactly what happens. Oh, one hundred and

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Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two

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Speaker 4: ninety two is the text number. This is an interesting one.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 4: What about responding when someone asked how you're doing? Most

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Speaker 4: of us say I'm fine. I doubt many people would

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01:07:14,653 --> 01:07:17,893
Speaker 4: be comfortable enough to actually tell the truth to avoid

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Speaker 4: starting a deep or uncomfortable conversation.

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Speaker 3: In the casual setting.

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Speaker 2: I was listening to this podcast with Matthew McConaughey the

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Speaker 2: other day. It was a great podcast, but he was

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01:07:26,093 --> 01:07:31,653
Speaker 2: saying that George Bush the president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: I think it was George Bush Senior. No, I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure which George Bush. I can't remember. He used to

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Speaker 2: always when you asked him how his day was, he'd

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Speaker 2: give you a rating out of ten, right, so it

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01:07:41,653 --> 01:07:44,653
Speaker 2: be like eight point eight or seven point two.

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Speaker 4: I love that. That is a great way to do it,

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Speaker 4: because it is an awkward one. I mean, given a

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Speaker 4: rating out of ten is a nice way to do it.

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Speaker 4: But if you are not feeling that great, you're coming

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01:07:52,933 --> 01:07:54,853
Speaker 4: to work and people say get a how you going

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01:07:54,973 --> 01:07:58,013
Speaker 4: and say I'm terrible, and at that point you can

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Speaker 4: see their energy start to drop off and think, oh no,

1321
01:08:01,493 --> 01:08:03,933
Speaker 4: now I've got to listen to either because what does

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01:08:03,973 --> 01:08:06,373
Speaker 4: that person do in that scenario? They say why you're terrible?

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01:08:06,653 --> 01:08:08,533
Speaker 2: And then you've got to be honest and say what's

1324
01:08:08,573 --> 01:08:10,693
Speaker 2: going on in your life? Yeah, because I don't think

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01:08:10,693 --> 01:08:12,533
Speaker 2: it's actually lying. If someone says how are you and

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01:08:12,573 --> 01:08:15,453
Speaker 2: you say I'm fine, you're not really lying. You're just

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01:08:15,453 --> 01:08:20,492
Speaker 2: just engaged in a back and forth. Because you're not

1328
01:08:20,532 --> 01:08:23,773
Speaker 2: ready to unload. My good friend Jason Hoyt, who's a

1329
01:08:23,813 --> 01:08:26,572
Speaker 2: huge cricket fan, he will often give how he's feeling

1330
01:08:26,692 --> 01:08:34,732
Speaker 2: as a score. He'll say, I'm three for seventeen. I'm

1331
01:08:34,772 --> 01:08:37,213
Speaker 2: three down seventeen runs on the board. I love that,

1332
01:08:37,452 --> 01:08:39,732
Speaker 2: but it's quite an accurate thanks. If you go I'm

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01:08:39,853 --> 01:08:44,013
Speaker 2: nine down for ninety, you go, oh jeez, sorry mate.

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Speaker 3: That is a very nice way to do it.

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01:08:46,853 --> 01:08:49,053
Speaker 2: The sixer says, depends on the situation. If something can

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Speaker 2: be changed at a low tell them the truth, like

1337
01:08:52,213 --> 01:08:54,293
Speaker 2: a haircut. If it can't be changed, why make people

1338
01:08:54,572 --> 01:09:00,652
Speaker 2: life miserable like the house? Just find something nice to say. Okay,

1339
01:09:01,652 --> 01:09:06,772
Speaker 2: I've got a really edge case scenario. Here, Shall I

1340
01:09:06,853 --> 01:09:12,012
Speaker 2: share it now? Or after the break? Got time? Okay? Okay, yeah,

1341
01:09:12,093 --> 01:09:13,932
Speaker 2: I got time? Yeap, share it now? Share it now.

1342
01:09:13,973 --> 01:09:18,133
Speaker 2: So you've got Ann Frank in the attic, and the

1343
01:09:19,013 --> 01:09:23,173
Speaker 2: and the Nazis are knocking on the door, and you

1344
01:09:23,253 --> 01:09:25,892
Speaker 2: come down and the answer the door and they say

1345
01:09:27,093 --> 01:09:32,213
Speaker 2: as as Anne Frank in the attic. Yep. Under those circumstances,

1346
01:09:32,213 --> 01:09:34,652
Speaker 2: if you you know, it would be pretty pretty hard

1347
01:09:34,652 --> 01:09:36,732
Speaker 2: to justify saying yes, she's up there, go and get it.

1348
01:09:36,933 --> 01:09:40,452
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought, yeah, yeah, absolutely, she would say, nope,

1349
01:09:40,532 --> 01:09:41,932
Speaker 4: nobody here, just us.

1350
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Speaker 12: But.

1351
01:09:44,053 --> 01:09:45,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, this person's out for a duck today.

1352
01:09:47,372 --> 01:09:51,133
Speaker 4: Sorry to hear about that made hope things get better? Right?

1353
01:09:50,093 --> 01:09:53,452
Speaker 4: N is the number to call love to hear your thoughts.

1354
01:09:53,732 --> 01:09:56,852
Speaker 4: Is lying ever okay? A little white lie? Graham Norton,

1355
01:09:56,893 --> 01:10:00,652
Speaker 4: the Great Graham Norton says, absolutely, brutal honesty can be

1356
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Speaker 4: very cruel. But what do you say.

1357
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Speaker 2: My wife has just lied to me about address. She

1358
01:10:05,372 --> 01:10:09,492
Speaker 2: said it was old. I found the receipt. That so

1359
01:10:09,652 --> 01:10:11,052
Speaker 2: then you never trust her again.

1360
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Speaker 3: That's a snowball effect.

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01:10:12,692 --> 01:10:14,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she should have just said, yes, I've bought

1362
01:10:14,532 --> 01:10:15,173
Speaker 2: a new dress.

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Speaker 3: That would have saved a lot of problems. Yeah, because

1364
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Speaker 3: now there's problems in that household.

1365
01:10:19,213 --> 01:10:23,372
Speaker 2: That's see what webs we weave when first we practice

1366
01:10:23,372 --> 01:10:26,213
Speaker 2: to to see the issues.

1367
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Speaker 1: That affect you. And a bit of fun along the way.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: News Talks B.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about white lies? Is line ever okay? It

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Speaker 4: was an interview that Graham Norton did and he said

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Speaker 4: that line is okay if it protects other people. It can,

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01:10:44,652 --> 01:10:48,532
Speaker 4: he says, brutal honesty cause quite quite a lot of cruelty.

1374
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Speaker 2: But there's incredible unforeseen circumstances, and there's obviously levels morally

1375
01:10:54,572 --> 01:10:58,333
Speaker 2: of lying. Right. The worst lies are self aggrandizing lies,

1376
01:10:58,372 --> 01:11:00,093
Speaker 2: I had guess, yeah, were ones that are meant to

1377
01:11:00,173 --> 01:11:03,692
Speaker 2: hurt people. So if you walk around claiming, you know,

1378
01:11:03,853 --> 01:11:08,492
Speaker 2: exaggerating what you earn, or claiming connections with people that

1379
01:11:08,532 --> 01:11:10,612
Speaker 2: you don't have, you know, I know that that, dude.

1380
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Speaker 2: Those ones are embarrassing or lying about romantic activities, you know,

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01:11:17,652 --> 01:11:22,572
Speaker 2: even like harmless lies as well, though they I just

1382
01:11:22,612 --> 01:11:25,092
Speaker 2: believe that generally speaking, I can see exactly what Graham

1383
01:11:25,133 --> 01:11:29,053
Speaker 2: Norton's saying here that you know, if and it's the

1384
01:11:29,053 --> 01:11:32,412
Speaker 2: case you go before of the house, if you someone

1385
01:11:32,492 --> 01:11:34,492
Speaker 2: spent a lot and they can't change yet and they

1386
01:11:34,532 --> 01:11:37,333
Speaker 2: ask your opinion, then then it's pretty harsh to tell

1387
01:11:37,372 --> 01:11:40,213
Speaker 2: them it, right, And so there's different edge cases, right,

1388
01:11:40,293 --> 01:11:44,852
Speaker 2: absolutely in the n Frank example I gave before, but

1389
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Speaker 2: I think as an absolute general rule, you should do

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01:11:48,933 --> 01:11:53,892
Speaker 2: everything you can to not lie. I tried not to lie.

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Speaker 2: I made a plan not to lie, and not long

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Speaker 2: afterwards I was cast on the New Zealand television show

1393
01:12:01,013 --> 01:12:03,612
Speaker 2: Traders ends it well, that's awkward. And then and then

1394
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Speaker 2: I was made a trader, which is one of the murderers,

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Speaker 2: and so I in the conclave choosing who to murder

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Speaker 2: on this reality TV show. I'm not sure if you've

1397
01:12:12,572 --> 01:12:16,252
Speaker 2: seen it, but I'd made a decision just for an experiment.

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Speaker 2: I was riding my book to see if I could

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Speaker 2: not lie. And so I think I lasted six days

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Speaker 2: on the show and I didn't tell any lies.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty good.

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01:12:23,692 --> 01:12:28,932
Speaker 2: I just kept changing subject constantly. And then and then

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01:12:29,013 --> 01:12:33,973
Speaker 2: one day someone just said, Matt's Matt just keeps absolutely

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01:12:34,053 --> 01:12:36,133
Speaker 2: changing the subject all the time when I talk about

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01:12:36,133 --> 01:12:38,892
Speaker 2: who's one of the traders and who's murdering people on

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 3: That is a tough stance to take in that show, mate,

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01:12:41,452 --> 01:12:42,972
Speaker 3: But well done today is pretty good.

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01:12:43,093 --> 01:12:45,492
Speaker 2: Is that dishonesty if it's in the rules of a game,

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01:12:45,933 --> 01:12:48,652
Speaker 2: so it not really is it? So you're not being

1411
01:12:48,652 --> 01:12:51,133
Speaker 2: dishonest in a game of poker if you're bluffing. No,

1412
01:12:51,333 --> 01:12:53,053
Speaker 2: So I probably shouldn't have taken it that far. But

1413
01:12:53,933 --> 01:12:56,492
Speaker 2: on that morning when I decided to start lying and

1414
01:12:56,772 --> 01:13:00,612
Speaker 2: not lots stopped lying completely seriously, this case that everyone

1415
01:13:00,652 --> 01:13:05,012
Speaker 2: is putting through right through, over and again. Now, my partner, Tracy,

1416
01:13:05,173 --> 01:13:07,012
Speaker 2: she put on this thing. It was like five past

1417
01:13:07,053 --> 01:13:08,932
Speaker 2: six in the morning on the day that I decided

1418
01:13:08,973 --> 01:13:10,612
Speaker 2: to see how long it could go without telling any

1419
01:13:10,612 --> 01:13:13,173
Speaker 2: white lives on your lives, And she said, do you

1420
01:13:13,293 --> 01:13:15,532
Speaker 2: like this? And she had this new sort of brown

1421
01:13:16,333 --> 01:13:20,333
Speaker 2: singlet and shorts outfit. Yep, nice And I was immediately

1422
01:13:20,372 --> 01:13:23,492
Speaker 2: tested at that right the like basically woke up and

1423
01:13:23,492 --> 01:13:25,772
Speaker 2: then was put under the microscope and tested.

1424
01:13:25,812 --> 01:13:26,572
Speaker 3: And how did they go?

1425
01:13:28,452 --> 01:13:33,852
Speaker 2: What happened was I didn't I sort of didn't really

1426
01:13:33,853 --> 01:13:35,972
Speaker 2: say anything, but then I wrote about it in my book.

1427
01:13:36,492 --> 01:13:38,452
Speaker 2: I wrote about in my book, and then she when

1428
01:13:38,492 --> 01:13:40,093
Speaker 2: she was reading my books, I merely texted, was that

1429
01:13:40,133 --> 01:13:42,412
Speaker 2: brown thing? I knew you didn't like it? So good?

1430
01:13:43,133 --> 01:13:44,852
Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty to eighties and number to call

1431
01:13:44,893 --> 01:13:45,173
Speaker 3: get a.

1432
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Speaker 2: Trevor, Hey, boys, how are you very good?

1433
01:13:48,333 --> 01:13:49,293
Speaker 3: What do you reckon about lying?

1434
01:13:50,293 --> 01:13:50,612
Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 20: I mean sometimes you can lie of use absolute stupidity

1436
01:13:54,532 --> 01:13:58,492
Speaker 20: and it makes foolsier. I always remember the Democrats and

1437
01:13:58,612 --> 01:14:02,053
Speaker 20: CNN kept telling us that Joe Biden was healthy and

1438
01:14:02,093 --> 01:14:05,413
Speaker 20: didn't have any form of adventure. I mean, wasn't that ridiculous?

1439
01:14:05,452 --> 01:14:07,093
Speaker 20: Then lying about that is.

1440
01:14:07,173 --> 01:14:09,532
Speaker 2: That has made them look hearable.

1441
01:14:09,093 --> 01:14:13,572
Speaker 20: Now absolutely, yeah, well I was saying it was very obvious,

1442
01:14:13,612 --> 01:14:16,652
Speaker 20: and but you're right. Even now, it's just an example.

1443
01:14:16,812 --> 01:14:20,892
Speaker 20: You know, sometimes lying just do it can come to

1444
01:14:20,973 --> 01:14:24,133
Speaker 20: a point of just being stupidity. And I think that's

1445
01:14:24,173 --> 01:14:26,292
Speaker 20: a classic example for the whole world.

1446
01:14:26,053 --> 01:14:28,972
Speaker 2: Of you're so right, triv because everyone could see as well.

1447
01:14:28,973 --> 01:14:31,213
Speaker 2: What was so strange about that lie is people could

1448
01:14:31,293 --> 01:14:33,213
Speaker 2: see what was going on and they were saying, no,

1449
01:14:33,532 --> 01:14:37,253
Speaker 2: he's sharp as attack and were every day that they

1450
01:14:37,293 --> 01:14:39,373
Speaker 2: actually let him out to talk to anyone, and they

1451
01:14:39,053 --> 01:14:41,133
Speaker 2: are hiding him away, and every time he was out

1452
01:14:41,293 --> 01:14:42,812
Speaker 2: in front of her eyes, we could see that what

1453
01:14:42,853 --> 01:14:46,173
Speaker 2: they were saying is not true. And now you know,

1454
01:14:46,293 --> 01:14:48,173
Speaker 2: and it came to a head in that debate We're

1455
01:14:48,213 --> 01:14:51,612
Speaker 2: afterwards they were going to and they rumbled him for

1456
01:14:51,812 --> 01:14:56,252
Speaker 2: for Karmala. Yeah, but you go Triva.

1457
01:14:56,093 --> 01:14:58,812
Speaker 20: Sorry, oh yeah, And of course what now what everything

1458
01:14:58,933 --> 01:15:02,053
Speaker 20: is even worse now. Kamala kept on telling us he's

1459
01:15:02,053 --> 01:15:04,973
Speaker 20: a healthier he's but he's healthy, you know, no, no

1460
01:15:05,053 --> 01:15:07,372
Speaker 20: early dementia that. But now she's written a book.

1461
01:15:09,213 --> 01:15:12,853
Speaker 2: It's all out now and that that destroys your credibility

1462
01:15:13,133 --> 01:15:20,173
Speaker 2: for forever. Whereas if they had actually said, look, Joe Biden,

1463
01:15:20,253 --> 01:15:23,412
Speaker 2: he's not fit to be rolling because at that point,

1464
01:15:23,412 --> 01:15:25,173
Speaker 2: the reason why they weren't doing that wasn't it because

1465
01:15:25,173 --> 01:15:26,933
Speaker 2: they thought he had a better chance to win because of,

1466
01:15:27,013 --> 01:15:29,852
Speaker 2: you know, the support he had, and they didn't think

1467
01:15:29,853 --> 01:15:32,412
Speaker 2: Carmela was a good candidate. But also they wondered what

1468
01:15:32,452 --> 01:15:34,892
Speaker 2: would happen he's the president of the United States to

1469
01:15:34,933 --> 01:15:36,812
Speaker 2: say that that he was not ready, but he didn't

1470
01:15:36,853 --> 01:15:39,492
Speaker 2: seem like he could even before that, when he was

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01:15:39,612 --> 01:15:42,732
Speaker 2: running for the race he won. He didn't seem like

1472
01:15:42,772 --> 01:15:44,732
Speaker 2: he was up to it. But if they just ripped

1473
01:15:44,732 --> 01:15:47,333
Speaker 2: the band aid off and said, like, he's not good,

1474
01:15:47,372 --> 01:15:48,933
Speaker 2: we need we need to do something about this, and

1475
01:15:48,933 --> 01:15:50,493
Speaker 2: they would have had so much more credibility.

1476
01:15:50,532 --> 01:15:50,692
Speaker 12: Now.

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01:15:51,412 --> 01:15:53,932
Speaker 20: Yeah, absolutely, of course, the most discussing about the whole

1478
01:15:53,933 --> 01:15:55,253
Speaker 20: thing is, you know, if people have a go up

1479
01:15:55,293 --> 01:15:58,213
Speaker 20: frump and his wife, you know how but how bare

1480
01:15:58,333 --> 01:16:01,452
Speaker 20: was Jill Biden, the wife of Joe Biden, letting him

1481
01:16:02,412 --> 01:16:03,412
Speaker 20: carry on with that job?

1482
01:16:03,812 --> 01:16:09,133
Speaker 2: Well she must have done apparently. Yeah, yeah, hey, thank

1483
01:16:09,173 --> 01:16:09,852
Speaker 2: you so much for your.

1484
01:16:09,732 --> 01:16:12,372
Speaker 4: Call, Trevor, and I think, just on the Joe Biden thing,

1485
01:16:12,412 --> 01:16:14,933
Speaker 4: that is an example of quade, an egregious lie. But

1486
01:16:15,053 --> 01:16:18,053
Speaker 4: they did that to protect the Democratic Party right or

1487
01:16:18,093 --> 01:16:22,293
Speaker 4: their hopes, rather than any idea of protecting Joe Biden's feelings.

1488
01:16:23,532 --> 01:16:25,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, do you think it was protecting his feelings

1489
01:16:25,532 --> 01:16:28,412
Speaker 2: or just trying to protect the position of power, right exactly?

1490
01:16:28,612 --> 01:16:32,333
Speaker 3: That's why that is an egregious, very very bad lie.

1491
01:16:32,452 --> 01:16:34,412
Speaker 4: But I'm just trying to think of this scenario. It

1492
01:16:34,412 --> 01:16:35,772
Speaker 4: would be a good option.

1493
01:16:35,853 --> 01:16:37,293
Speaker 2: So Joe Rogan comes up and goes, do you think

1494
01:16:37,293 --> 01:16:41,692
Speaker 2: I'm cognitively at my peak? No joke, no joke. It's

1495
01:16:41,692 --> 01:16:44,172
Speaker 2: all over working many years ago in a big hospital,

1496
01:16:44,173 --> 01:16:45,932
Speaker 2: says this text, and my boss asked me for an

1497
01:16:45,973 --> 01:16:48,532
Speaker 2: opinion on what she was wearing. Caught off guard was

1498
01:16:48,572 --> 01:16:50,452
Speaker 2: being on a straight up. As I was giving it.

1499
01:16:51,973 --> 01:16:54,772
Speaker 2: Six supervisors came around the corner. They complained I was

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01:16:54,812 --> 01:16:57,333
Speaker 2: straight up and said she asked me from my opinion.

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01:16:57,412 --> 01:16:59,293
Speaker 2: She said she had asked me for.

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01:16:59,492 --> 01:17:05,652
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay, And this one here, guys, Sorry, as.

1503
01:17:05,612 --> 01:17:07,572
Speaker 2: Mister Trump healthy in the head, he lies all the time.

1504
01:17:08,612 --> 01:17:12,333
Speaker 2: Least Joe was asleep, says Mary. I don't know who's

1505
01:17:12,372 --> 01:17:16,052
Speaker 2: vetter in that scenario. This is a good one here, Hi, guys,

1506
01:17:17,093 --> 01:17:19,293
Speaker 2: let's call it a small fib not a lie. I

1507
01:17:19,333 --> 01:17:21,412
Speaker 2: bought a corvette without telling my wife. She asked me

1508
01:17:21,452 --> 01:17:24,652
Speaker 2: how much she got told him out. I knew I

1509
01:17:24,732 --> 01:17:26,852
Speaker 2: could get away with it. May not have been the

1510
01:17:26,853 --> 01:17:29,932
Speaker 2: full truth. See again, I don't know a lie that's

1511
01:17:29,933 --> 01:17:32,572
Speaker 2: on the line. But then if she finds out, then

1512
01:17:32,812 --> 01:17:34,973
Speaker 2: she'll never trust you again. Then when you're out at

1513
01:17:35,053 --> 01:17:39,572
Speaker 2: the pub and you say i'm you know, when you

1514
01:17:40,372 --> 01:17:42,892
Speaker 2: whatever you say, you'll say you're working late, she thinks

1515
01:17:42,893 --> 01:17:45,692
Speaker 2: you're at the pub. You know, Once your credibility has

1516
01:17:45,732 --> 01:17:47,732
Speaker 2: been destroyed, then you can never get it back. It's

1517
01:17:47,732 --> 01:17:49,293
Speaker 2: a risky thing. That is a risky thing.

1518
01:17:49,333 --> 01:17:52,293
Speaker 4: And if she divorces, yes, she's taking that corvette as well.

1519
01:17:52,372 --> 01:17:54,532
Speaker 3: Right, good discussion, Thank you very much.

1520
01:17:54,853 --> 01:17:58,253
Speaker 4: Coming up after three o'clock, we're going to stick with

1521
01:17:58,532 --> 01:18:00,973
Speaker 4: talking about money or lack of it. It can make

1522
01:18:01,053 --> 01:18:03,892
Speaker 4: or break a relationship. But an article in the Herald

1523
01:18:04,333 --> 01:18:07,492
Speaker 4: from a man asking for advice he's disciplined with money,

1524
01:18:07,532 --> 01:18:09,253
Speaker 4: and his guild friend isn't.

1525
01:18:09,812 --> 01:18:10,652
Speaker 3: Can it ever work?

1526
01:18:10,692 --> 01:18:14,372
Speaker 4: If someone's a massive stally and someone just likes to

1527
01:18:14,372 --> 01:18:16,333
Speaker 4: spend the cash. Love to hear your thoughts on this one.

1528
01:18:16,372 --> 01:18:18,692
Speaker 4: I hade hundred eighty ten eighty is eating number to call.

1529
01:18:18,772 --> 01:18:21,092
Speaker 4: Nine two ninety two is the text number.

1530
01:18:21,333 --> 01:18:22,652
Speaker 2: I like him my boss all the time. I tell

1531
01:18:22,692 --> 01:18:24,932
Speaker 2: him I like listening to news talks. He'd be talked back.

1532
01:18:25,093 --> 01:18:26,213
Speaker 3: That's a good lie, keeping that up.

1533
01:18:26,293 --> 01:18:28,412
Speaker 2: You keep telling people. Allow that one.

1534
01:18:30,893 --> 01:18:34,213
Speaker 1: Your new home are insateful and entertaining talk.

1535
01:18:34,452 --> 01:18:37,253
Speaker 8: It's Mattie and Taylor Adams.

1536
01:18:36,692 --> 01:18:42,052
Speaker 4: Afternoons on News Talk Savvy Afternoon. Welcome back into the show.

1537
01:18:42,093 --> 01:18:44,572
Speaker 4: It is six pass three, really good to have your company.

1538
01:18:44,692 --> 01:18:47,532
Speaker 4: As always, is going to be a great discussion. Some money,

1539
01:18:47,893 --> 01:18:50,092
Speaker 4: as many of us know, as one of the biggest

1540
01:18:50,093 --> 01:18:54,052
Speaker 4: stresses in a relationship, especially when your financial habits couldn't

1541
01:18:54,053 --> 01:18:56,492
Speaker 4: be more different. An article in the Herald with an

1542
01:18:56,572 --> 01:18:59,852
Speaker 4: unknamed man. He's asking for advice. He says he's very

1543
01:18:59,893 --> 01:19:03,012
Speaker 4: disciplined with his money, but his new girlfriend isn't. Plus

1544
01:19:03,093 --> 01:19:05,932
Speaker 4: he's tied to some parents debt. But he's asking whether

1545
01:19:05,973 --> 01:19:07,732
Speaker 4: this relationship can ever.

1546
01:19:08,612 --> 01:19:12,533
Speaker 2: It's a biggie, So can you be in a relationship

1547
01:19:12,532 --> 01:19:16,612
Speaker 2: with someone with different money values? I guess financial values

1548
01:19:17,612 --> 01:19:20,612
Speaker 2: and you know one hundred and eighty ten eighty have

1549
01:19:20,732 --> 01:19:24,173
Speaker 2: you had to leave a relationship because of the money

1550
01:19:24,173 --> 01:19:26,452
Speaker 2: habits of the other other side, Because I guess part

1551
01:19:26,452 --> 01:19:30,213
Speaker 2: of a relationship, belong to a relationship is forging both

1552
01:19:30,293 --> 01:19:34,652
Speaker 2: romantic and a business partnership, definitely to try and fight

1553
01:19:34,692 --> 01:19:37,772
Speaker 2: off the rest of the world. Yep. And you know,

1554
01:19:38,253 --> 01:19:40,532
Speaker 2: you certainly notice when you get into a relationship with

1555
01:19:40,572 --> 01:19:43,533
Speaker 2: two incomes coming in that things get a lot easier. Yeah,

1556
01:19:44,372 --> 01:19:47,213
Speaker 2: And so that's all very well in this one party

1557
01:19:47,492 --> 01:19:55,812
Speaker 2: is spending crazily. But equally I could say that, you know,

1558
01:19:55,853 --> 01:19:58,452
Speaker 2: if you have two people that are really really stilly

1559
01:19:59,133 --> 01:20:04,053
Speaker 2: and tight, then nothing would ever happen, right, So you

1560
01:20:04,093 --> 01:20:06,613
Speaker 2: would both go no to everything, and you have no experiences,

1561
01:20:06,612 --> 01:20:08,253
Speaker 2: and you die with a whole lot of money in the bank.

1562
01:20:08,772 --> 01:20:09,812
Speaker 3: So there's a balance there.

1563
01:20:09,853 --> 01:20:12,173
Speaker 2: So you need someone that opens the purse strings, right,

1564
01:20:12,452 --> 01:20:16,093
Speaker 2: So couldn't it be maybe you need two different types

1565
01:20:16,133 --> 01:20:18,612
Speaker 2: of people in a relationship. You need one person that's

1566
01:20:18,853 --> 01:20:23,412
Speaker 2: tying the tying down the finances and the other person

1567
01:20:23,452 --> 01:20:25,572
Speaker 2: that's always trying to hassle you and book holidays and such.

1568
01:20:25,973 --> 01:20:28,652
Speaker 4: It's more fun being that second person. Clearly, I don't know,

1569
01:20:28,692 --> 01:20:30,452
Speaker 4: but you know I'm thinking about maybe.

1570
01:20:30,812 --> 01:20:32,253
Speaker 2: I know, if you like me and you're in a

1571
01:20:32,293 --> 01:20:34,812
Speaker 2: relationship where we both just spray money around like a

1572
01:20:34,812 --> 01:20:38,253
Speaker 2: fire hose, then part of you just feels like you're

1573
01:20:38,293 --> 01:20:40,293
Speaker 2: emptying your soul into the world. At the same time,

1574
01:20:40,893 --> 01:20:45,172
Speaker 2: just spending money doesn't always feel good. Yeah, sometimes making

1575
01:20:45,333 --> 01:20:49,453
Speaker 2: prudent financial decisions actually is the enjoyable part of life.

1576
01:20:49,812 --> 01:20:51,852
Speaker 4: I think, and this is just my opinion, of course,

1577
01:20:51,893 --> 01:20:53,612
Speaker 4: but when you get together with someone, it was always

1578
01:20:53,652 --> 01:20:58,133
Speaker 4: important for me, very early in the relationship to talk

1579
01:20:58,173 --> 01:21:02,052
Speaker 4: about this's going to several punishing that it is punishing

1580
01:21:02,213 --> 01:21:04,173
Speaker 4: to talk about your financial goals. Where do you see

1581
01:21:04,173 --> 01:21:09,053
Speaker 4: yourself financially in five, ten, fifteen years. That covers They

1582
01:21:09,093 --> 01:21:11,492
Speaker 4: had the conversation with me for my partner now, and

1583
01:21:11,812 --> 01:21:14,333
Speaker 4: it's well known that I am. I'm a bit stingy

1584
01:21:14,333 --> 01:21:16,932
Speaker 4: with my money. It's a massive savor and the reason

1585
01:21:16,973 --> 01:21:19,253
Speaker 4: I am is because I was I was very stupid

1586
01:21:19,253 --> 01:21:21,133
Speaker 4: with money in my younger days. So that left me

1587
01:21:21,133 --> 01:21:22,732
Speaker 4: with a bit of trauma now that I really I

1588
01:21:22,893 --> 01:21:25,612
Speaker 4: hate spending money, right whereas may I wouldn't say she's

1589
01:21:25,652 --> 01:21:26,372
Speaker 4: a massive spender.

1590
01:21:26,492 --> 01:21:28,932
Speaker 2: As a result, you tried to shift house yourself and

1591
01:21:29,213 --> 01:21:31,692
Speaker 2: for the second time, crash the truck that you rented

1592
01:21:31,772 --> 01:21:32,652
Speaker 2: into the side of your house.

1593
01:21:32,732 --> 01:21:32,932
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1594
01:21:33,013 --> 01:21:34,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's going to cost me a lot more

1595
01:21:34,612 --> 01:21:35,492
Speaker 3: money than I was ever going.

1596
01:21:35,452 --> 01:21:38,372
Speaker 2: To say exactly. Sometimes you need to be not just

1597
01:21:38,492 --> 01:21:42,492
Speaker 2: stoly but sensible. Yeah. And you should know by previous

1598
01:21:42,572 --> 01:21:47,892
Speaker 2: experience that you caused damage when you hire moving trucks,

1599
01:21:48,452 --> 01:21:51,452
Speaker 2: and so whilst it may appear that you're saving money

1600
01:21:51,492 --> 01:21:53,612
Speaker 2: by moving yourself, you're actually going to spend a lot

1601
01:21:53,612 --> 01:21:55,732
Speaker 2: more when you once again crashed the truck into the

1602
01:21:55,732 --> 01:21:57,372
Speaker 2: side of the same house and the exact same spot

1603
01:21:57,412 --> 01:21:58,532
Speaker 2: you crashed at last time. Yeah.

1604
01:21:58,612 --> 01:22:00,972
Speaker 3: I never foresaw that I was going to almost take

1605
01:22:00,973 --> 01:22:01,932
Speaker 3: out a corner of the house.

1606
01:22:01,973 --> 01:22:02,133
Speaker 10: You know.

1607
01:22:02,133 --> 01:22:03,812
Speaker 4: I thought I might clip it again and it will

1608
01:22:03,812 --> 01:22:06,093
Speaker 4: be all right. But you're quite right, it's ended up

1609
01:22:06,133 --> 01:22:08,333
Speaker 4: costing me a lot more by being stingy in that scenario.

1610
01:22:08,692 --> 01:22:08,852
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1611
01:22:08,933 --> 01:22:10,412
Speaker 4: May have let me know about it, because she was

1612
01:22:10,412 --> 01:22:12,692
Speaker 4: the one that said, just high spend a bit of money,

1613
01:22:12,772 --> 01:22:16,213
Speaker 4: do it right, get some professional movers in. And I

1614
01:22:16,293 --> 01:22:18,772
Speaker 4: look back at my stoly self and say, shame on you,

1615
01:22:18,853 --> 01:22:22,133
Speaker 4: Tyler in that scenario. But in general, I think my

1616
01:22:22,293 --> 01:22:25,293
Speaker 4: stooliness has meant we were able to buy a property.

1617
01:22:25,692 --> 01:22:28,532
Speaker 4: Has meant we've got a beautiful car right now, has

1618
01:22:28,612 --> 01:22:31,732
Speaker 4: meant my life is pretty boring.

1619
01:22:34,893 --> 01:22:37,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, for example, what did you do over the break?

1620
01:22:38,093 --> 01:22:41,772
Speaker 2: You shifted house, yep, whilst I just went to the

1621
01:22:41,772 --> 01:22:44,932
Speaker 2: Intercontinental Golf spa and resort and Vigia.

1622
01:22:45,093 --> 01:22:46,133
Speaker 3: It sounds very nice, mate.

1623
01:22:46,133 --> 01:22:48,892
Speaker 4: We had we had one nice lunch down at Taco

1624
01:22:48,973 --> 01:22:52,012
Speaker 4: Loco and that was our that was our weekly spind

1625
01:22:52,053 --> 01:22:52,732
Speaker 4: on the lunch yer.

1626
01:22:52,732 --> 01:22:56,852
Speaker 2: And I've come back so relaxed and so ready to

1627
01:22:56,893 --> 01:22:59,133
Speaker 2: do this show, whereas you seem just as wound up

1628
01:22:59,133 --> 01:23:00,333
Speaker 2: as you were when we left.

1629
01:23:00,213 --> 01:23:02,492
Speaker 3: More so more so, I think. But what do you say?

1630
01:23:02,692 --> 01:23:04,213
Speaker 3: I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1631
01:23:04,412 --> 01:23:04,572
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1632
01:23:04,612 --> 01:23:07,812
Speaker 2: And also it'll be interesting to hear one hundred and

1633
01:23:07,812 --> 01:23:10,813
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty how the money works in your relationship,

1634
01:23:10,853 --> 01:23:13,532
Speaker 2: because a friend of mine once said, a friend of

1635
01:23:13,572 --> 01:23:17,852
Speaker 2: mine's dad once said to us, make sure your partner

1636
01:23:18,133 --> 01:23:21,613
Speaker 2: has enough money but knows nothing about what's happening and financially,

1637
01:23:22,253 --> 01:23:25,293
Speaker 2: so she always has enough money to spend. So she's

1638
01:23:25,333 --> 01:23:29,133
Speaker 2: got enough money on the credit card and on the

1639
01:23:29,372 --> 01:23:31,213
Speaker 2: money cards to spend and what she needs to but

1640
01:23:31,492 --> 01:23:35,133
Speaker 2: she should know absolutely nothing about what's happening financially. This

1641
01:23:35,372 --> 01:23:35,852
Speaker 2: was his space.

1642
01:23:35,973 --> 01:23:38,333
Speaker 3: That is interesting advice. What did you say to that advice?

1643
01:23:38,412 --> 01:23:40,253
Speaker 3: So one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number

1644
01:23:40,253 --> 01:23:42,692
Speaker 3: to cool It is a lever pass three US talk,

1645
01:23:42,772 --> 01:23:45,812
Speaker 3: sa'd be for a good afternoon. She it's fourteen past three.

1646
01:23:45,853 --> 01:23:51,452
Speaker 3: We're talking about financial financial relationships and whether someone's a spender,

1647
01:23:51,652 --> 01:23:54,492
Speaker 3: someone's a savior, it works out in the long term.

1648
01:23:54,933 --> 01:23:57,213
Speaker 2: So Sharon's pushing back on this advice that a friend's

1649
01:23:57,293 --> 01:24:01,093
Speaker 2: dad gave my friend and I make sure your wife

1650
01:24:01,213 --> 01:24:04,732
Speaker 2: has enough money but doesn't know where it comes from. Yeah,

1651
01:24:04,772 --> 01:24:07,093
Speaker 2: and what is what does Sharon say? That advice might

1652
01:24:07,133 --> 01:24:10,172
Speaker 2: be okay in eighteen fifty, but no way now, Thank you, Sharon.

1653
01:24:10,933 --> 01:24:14,492
Speaker 2: And the wider question is do you should you if

1654
01:24:14,492 --> 01:24:16,612
Speaker 2: you're both earning, should you share the money or should

1655
01:24:16,652 --> 01:24:19,333
Speaker 2: you run your own bank accounts at like flatmates and

1656
01:24:19,372 --> 01:24:21,532
Speaker 2: pay the bills and work out what percentage you pay

1657
01:24:21,532 --> 01:24:24,572
Speaker 2: of the mortgage? Or should your partner know everything that

1658
01:24:24,612 --> 01:24:26,572
Speaker 2: you spend and you know everything you spend and it

1659
01:24:26,612 --> 01:24:29,652
Speaker 2: should just be one money card, one bank account.

1660
01:24:29,652 --> 01:24:32,812
Speaker 3: It's an interesting question, Andy, how are you mate?

1661
01:24:33,732 --> 01:24:36,452
Speaker 21: Good and gentlemen, how are you very good?

1662
01:24:36,652 --> 01:24:38,812
Speaker 3: So is one of you a spender one of your saver?

1663
01:24:40,652 --> 01:24:44,253
Speaker 21: Yes, I'm more like you, tyler, But man, I'm not

1664
01:24:44,293 --> 01:24:45,812
Speaker 21: as not as tight.

1665
01:24:47,812 --> 01:24:50,132
Speaker 2: It's impossibly that tight. Not many people are.

1666
01:24:51,333 --> 01:24:53,492
Speaker 21: I'll be married fifty two years, or we've been married

1667
01:24:53,492 --> 01:24:59,372
Speaker 21: fifty two years, and right, well, one when we got married,

1668
01:24:59,452 --> 01:25:01,932
Speaker 21: we I sat down and said, look, okay, you've got

1669
01:25:01,933 --> 01:25:04,213
Speaker 21: a job, I've got a job. We why don't we

1670
01:25:04,333 --> 01:25:07,093
Speaker 21: just put work out what our running costs are for

1671
01:25:07,173 --> 01:25:11,973
Speaker 21: the house on it, like utential utilities and rent and

1672
01:25:12,093 --> 01:25:14,772
Speaker 21: mortgage and all that sort of stuff. And we put

1673
01:25:14,893 --> 01:25:20,812
Speaker 21: an agreed amount into a joint account and we so

1674
01:25:20,933 --> 01:25:22,772
Speaker 21: we paid them to that. If we had any big

1675
01:25:22,812 --> 01:25:26,293
Speaker 21: buying like new appliances and stuff like that, we would Okay,

1676
01:25:26,532 --> 01:25:29,092
Speaker 21: we'll put so much to have it on time payment

1677
01:25:29,213 --> 01:25:31,213
Speaker 21: and we'll pay both pay half each as we go.

1678
01:25:31,973 --> 01:25:35,093
Speaker 21: And yeah, so We've done that for the entire time

1679
01:25:35,133 --> 01:25:37,812
Speaker 21: of our marriage. And I'm still married.

1680
01:25:38,692 --> 01:25:41,173
Speaker 2: And so you have, for want of a bit of

1681
01:25:41,173 --> 01:25:44,253
Speaker 2: a word, your own discretionary spending outs that you can

1682
01:25:44,293 --> 01:25:44,812
Speaker 2: just do what you.

1683
01:25:44,772 --> 01:25:49,692
Speaker 21: Want with absolutely Yeah, and she's got she can do hers.

1684
01:25:50,652 --> 01:25:51,532
Speaker 2: Have you ever curious.

1685
01:25:53,333 --> 01:25:58,572
Speaker 21: No, no, it's her life. She's together. But no, she

1686
01:25:58,652 --> 01:26:01,053
Speaker 21: can her money, she can spend it on what she likes.

1687
01:26:01,213 --> 01:26:03,093
Speaker 4: So what do you do if there's a big purchase,

1688
01:26:03,652 --> 01:26:06,572
Speaker 4: Say your wife would like a big purchase that the

1689
01:26:06,732 --> 01:26:08,892
Speaker 4: allowance isn't enough for. How do you broach that?

1690
01:26:09,053 --> 01:26:09,372
Speaker 2: Andy?

1691
01:26:10,652 --> 01:26:12,732
Speaker 21: Okay? So as I said, like if we if we've

1692
01:26:13,053 --> 01:26:16,612
Speaker 21: bought a new fridg or a new whatever, and okay,

1693
01:26:16,652 --> 01:26:18,972
Speaker 21: we'd just put it on high purchase and we had

1694
01:26:19,772 --> 01:26:22,692
Speaker 21: we know what the month that your weekly payments were,

1695
01:26:22,772 --> 01:26:24,812
Speaker 21: and so we just paid for it out of the

1696
01:26:24,893 --> 01:26:27,932
Speaker 21: joint account that we both added out that amount into

1697
01:26:28,133 --> 01:26:32,293
Speaker 21: our payment that we're making to the joint account.

1698
01:26:32,973 --> 01:26:36,852
Speaker 2: So, but what if you pitched Andy some sort of

1699
01:26:37,812 --> 01:26:40,093
Speaker 2: I don't know, like saying Aston Martin or something. If

1700
01:26:40,133 --> 01:26:42,892
Speaker 2: you pitched, could you pitch? Look, I think as a

1701
01:26:42,933 --> 01:26:48,933
Speaker 2: family we really need a more awesome calculus. No, no, no, no.

1702
01:26:50,293 --> 01:26:56,612
Speaker 21: That absolutely not. I mean that's encroaching on her individuality.

1703
01:26:56,933 --> 01:27:00,212
Speaker 21: I mean she she likes a little mini I like America.

1704
01:27:00,933 --> 01:27:02,212
Speaker 21: We both got a Minion America.

1705
01:27:02,812 --> 01:27:05,053
Speaker 3: There must be something. There must be something you want, Andy,

1706
01:27:05,093 --> 01:27:06,132
Speaker 3: what about a jet ski.

1707
01:27:08,452 --> 01:27:09,132
Speaker 15: Used for mates?

1708
01:27:09,732 --> 01:27:09,932
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1709
01:27:09,973 --> 01:27:12,293
Speaker 2: Wise man? So so Andy, would you say that you

1710
01:27:12,333 --> 01:27:14,213
Speaker 2: and your wife want for nothing?

1711
01:27:15,893 --> 01:27:20,133
Speaker 21: Definitely want for nothing. We've got a we've got kemper,

1712
01:27:20,173 --> 01:27:23,692
Speaker 21: then we've got a new home being built. You know,

1713
01:27:23,732 --> 01:27:25,452
Speaker 21: we don't do well in the lives of right?

1714
01:27:26,293 --> 01:27:28,572
Speaker 2: And did you? And did you immediately? You set this

1715
01:27:28,692 --> 01:27:32,172
Speaker 2: up right and start? Was that you that that that

1716
01:27:32,173 --> 01:27:35,213
Speaker 2: that set up this financial arrangement you're going or is

1717
01:27:35,253 --> 01:27:36,772
Speaker 2: that you just happen to agree?

1718
01:27:36,893 --> 01:27:39,093
Speaker 21: I put it. I put it forward and say, look,

1719
01:27:39,412 --> 01:27:41,333
Speaker 21: you know you what you were and you were in

1720
01:27:41,372 --> 01:27:42,732
Speaker 21: and you can spend it on what you like, but

1721
01:27:42,772 --> 01:27:46,692
Speaker 21: we we have commitments together, so let's let's work it

1722
01:27:46,732 --> 01:27:48,692
Speaker 21: out and let's go together. And then if you've gone

1723
01:27:48,692 --> 01:27:50,932
Speaker 21: to buy yourself a nest and Martin and you can

1724
01:27:51,013 --> 01:27:53,612
Speaker 21: afford its of your life, not the problem and.

1725
01:27:53,612 --> 01:27:56,972
Speaker 2: Never any judgment, never any o. Really how much did

1726
01:27:57,013 --> 01:28:00,173
Speaker 2: that cost? Wow? That's what you want to spend your

1727
01:28:00,213 --> 01:28:00,532
Speaker 2: money on?

1728
01:28:00,732 --> 01:28:00,892
Speaker 16: Wow?

1729
01:28:00,973 --> 01:28:01,732
Speaker 2: Okay, that's interesting.

1730
01:28:01,772 --> 01:28:02,812
Speaker 14: You do you money?

1731
01:28:02,812 --> 01:28:04,612
Speaker 21: So why should I Why should I question that?

1732
01:28:04,732 --> 01:28:07,293
Speaker 2: See, this is why you've been married for fifty two years. Andy,

1733
01:28:07,692 --> 01:28:13,053
Speaker 2: because you're very fear and magnanimous gentleman, and I applaud you,

1734
01:28:14,652 --> 01:28:17,572
Speaker 2: thank you very much, thank you and there you going.

1735
01:28:17,652 --> 01:28:18,093
Speaker 3: That is great.

1736
01:28:18,133 --> 01:28:19,532
Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's working out for them. But you

1737
01:28:19,652 --> 01:28:25,053
Speaker 4: just mentioned before about transparency, and I think I'm pretty transparent.

1738
01:28:25,093 --> 01:28:25,692
Speaker 2: But I've got to.

1739
01:28:25,652 --> 01:28:29,972
Speaker 4: Say me and my Maith and I we have different

1740
01:28:30,013 --> 01:28:33,412
Speaker 4: bank accounts. So I've got my own bank account where

1741
01:28:33,452 --> 01:28:36,052
Speaker 4: my salary goes into then it gets sort of drained

1742
01:28:36,093 --> 01:28:38,972
Speaker 4: out and goes into the various things we need. She's

1743
01:28:39,013 --> 01:28:42,372
Speaker 4: got her own bank accounts, but she doesn't have access

1744
01:28:42,452 --> 01:28:45,532
Speaker 4: to my bank account. And have you got access to

1745
01:28:45,572 --> 01:28:49,253
Speaker 4: her if I want to? But I don't want to

1746
01:28:49,652 --> 01:28:52,133
Speaker 4: account well, because as long as I know all the

1747
01:28:52,173 --> 01:28:55,213
Speaker 4: bills are being paid, she you know, she doesn't need

1748
01:28:55,253 --> 01:28:57,612
Speaker 4: to know what's in my account and it's.

1749
01:28:57,492 --> 01:28:58,692
Speaker 2: Not going to not pay the bills.

1750
01:28:59,293 --> 01:28:59,492
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1751
01:28:59,612 --> 01:29:00,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she's really.

1752
01:29:00,452 --> 01:29:02,852
Speaker 4: Good at paying the mortgage, right, which is good. Okay,

1753
01:29:02,893 --> 01:29:04,333
Speaker 4: so as long as she takes care of that side

1754
01:29:04,372 --> 01:29:04,772
Speaker 4: of things.

1755
01:29:05,013 --> 01:29:06,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I but you but you want to have

1756
01:29:06,893 --> 01:29:08,892
Speaker 2: a sniff around to make sure that she's not being

1757
01:29:09,412 --> 01:29:11,612
Speaker 2: too extravagant. So you want to keep you want to

1758
01:29:11,692 --> 01:29:13,412
Speaker 2: keep what you do, want to keep a one eye.

1759
01:29:13,492 --> 01:29:16,492
Speaker 2: You're a very controlling individual, tyler, So whilst you trust her,

1760
01:29:16,532 --> 01:29:19,812
Speaker 2: you still don't completely trust her. Yeah, my brother says

1761
01:29:19,853 --> 01:29:22,812
Speaker 2: that Texa has has just lost over thirty k as

1762
01:29:22,853 --> 01:29:26,093
Speaker 2: he didn't ever check his accounts. He had no idea

1763
01:29:26,093 --> 01:29:29,532
Speaker 2: his wife had a gambling habit. See gambling habits. That's

1764
01:29:29,572 --> 01:29:32,412
Speaker 2: where things go wrong. If it's a joint account, both

1765
01:29:32,452 --> 01:29:35,173
Speaker 2: need to be actively watching spending. They've been together over

1766
01:29:35,253 --> 01:29:37,532
Speaker 2: twenty five years.

1767
01:29:38,053 --> 01:29:40,572
Speaker 3: That is a strong case for having accounts.

1768
01:29:40,772 --> 01:29:43,172
Speaker 2: Did see may have done at the pokes?

1769
01:29:43,253 --> 01:29:46,733
Speaker 3: She does love the RSA Actually how to speak of it?

1770
01:29:46,812 --> 01:29:51,812
Speaker 3: Is twenty past three, beck in a mow.

1771
01:29:52,772 --> 01:29:56,173
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1772
01:29:56,213 --> 01:29:58,093
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

1773
01:29:58,893 --> 01:30:01,973
Speaker 4: Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about financial

1774
01:30:02,013 --> 01:30:06,293
Speaker 4: relationships or financial compatibility. If you have someone who's a

1775
01:30:06,333 --> 01:30:09,293
Speaker 4: saver and someone who's a spender, can at work. There

1776
01:30:09,333 --> 01:30:10,652
Speaker 4: was a good story in the Herald from a young

1777
01:30:10,732 --> 01:30:12,452
Speaker 4: man who's a bit worried about his girlfriend's sending too

1778
01:30:12,492 --> 01:30:12,852
Speaker 4: much money.

1779
01:30:12,893 --> 01:30:14,572
Speaker 2: We've got full lines, but keep trying on O eight

1780
01:30:14,652 --> 01:30:17,412
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. Matt, you're so arrogant, always

1781
01:30:17,452 --> 01:30:19,492
Speaker 2: putting Tyler down and trying to make out you're better

1782
01:30:19,532 --> 01:30:22,253
Speaker 2: than him. You need to learn to be more likable

1783
01:30:22,253 --> 01:30:26,133
Speaker 2: than self effacing like luck Texter. I'm just trying to

1784
01:30:26,133 --> 01:30:29,133
Speaker 2: make Tyler a better person. And Tyler and his own

1785
01:30:29,133 --> 01:30:32,053
Speaker 2: mission is too tight, and I'm just China for the

1786
01:30:32,053 --> 01:30:35,692
Speaker 2: good of his his He's wound up. He's just he's

1787
01:30:35,692 --> 01:30:38,172
Speaker 2: not only tight financially, he's wound up like a little ball.

1788
01:30:38,173 --> 01:30:40,532
Speaker 4: Very streets sought to be a saver. But I'm gonna say, mate,

1789
01:30:40,812 --> 01:30:42,772
Speaker 4: you could be a bit more stingy in your life.

1790
01:30:42,812 --> 01:30:44,772
Speaker 4: You spend a lot of money on various things.

1791
01:30:45,173 --> 01:30:47,732
Speaker 2: I see that as a failing. I see that we're

1792
01:30:47,772 --> 01:30:51,372
Speaker 2: the opposite ends. As I say, spray running around like

1793
01:30:51,412 --> 01:30:54,692
Speaker 2: a high pressure fire host. You do, and I don't. Necessarily,

1794
01:30:54,732 --> 01:30:56,452
Speaker 2: I'd like the taps to be turned down a little.

1795
01:30:56,293 --> 01:30:58,612
Speaker 3: Bit, so little sugarhead for me, heath over there.

1796
01:30:58,692 --> 01:31:01,372
Speaker 2: So whilst I'm putting you down and insulting you, Tyler,

1797
01:31:01,452 --> 01:31:04,652
Speaker 2: I actually mean that as part of it, as a compliment. Yeah,

1798
01:31:04,692 --> 01:31:06,333
Speaker 2: thank you, mate, Yeah, I need a little bit of

1799
01:31:06,412 --> 01:31:08,852
Speaker 2: your tightness. Danielle wel onto the show.

1800
01:31:09,732 --> 01:31:10,213
Speaker 19: Thank you.

1801
01:31:11,293 --> 01:31:13,693
Speaker 2: And you want to have a chat about joint accounts.

1802
01:31:14,652 --> 01:31:15,293
Speaker 22: Yeah, well, I.

1803
01:31:15,213 --> 01:31:19,372
Speaker 23: Think, certainly. I think if you if you're sharing a

1804
01:31:19,452 --> 01:31:21,572
Speaker 23: roof with someone, and you're sharing a bed with someone

1805
01:31:21,853 --> 01:31:24,532
Speaker 23: at what works for our houses that we share all

1806
01:31:24,572 --> 01:31:27,492
Speaker 23: of our bank accounts. And I think that Andy had

1807
01:31:27,492 --> 01:31:30,572
Speaker 23: a good point with his wife, you know, for fifty

1808
01:31:30,652 --> 01:31:33,732
Speaker 23: years that they went separately. But I wonder how that looks.

1809
01:31:33,812 --> 01:31:36,612
Speaker 23: Obviously they've been earning the same amount around about the

1810
01:31:36,652 --> 01:31:39,612
Speaker 23: same and she hasn't taken any time off to have

1811
01:31:39,732 --> 01:31:44,972
Speaker 23: children and raised their family, for example. And so here's money,

1812
01:31:45,013 --> 01:31:47,013
Speaker 23: your money, my money thing for us.

1813
01:31:47,372 --> 01:31:48,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that's a good point.

1814
01:31:49,372 --> 01:31:53,532
Speaker 24: Dissolved when we decided that we would be married, share

1815
01:31:53,532 --> 01:31:57,572
Speaker 24: a bed, share a roof, share a life, into sharing

1816
01:31:57,612 --> 01:32:02,013
Speaker 24: all of the money. And because my husband's actually his

1817
01:32:02,173 --> 01:32:06,532
Speaker 24: earning capability was more than twice mine. Yeah, but at

1818
01:32:06,572 --> 01:32:08,812
Speaker 24: the same time, I took a year is off to

1819
01:32:08,853 --> 01:32:09,532
Speaker 24: have my baby.

1820
01:32:10,053 --> 01:32:11,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you see, I think you make a very

1821
01:32:11,452 --> 01:32:13,412
Speaker 2: good I think you make a very good point there, Danielle.

1822
01:32:13,412 --> 01:32:16,532
Speaker 2: So if someone, if someone is just someone has decided

1823
01:32:16,572 --> 01:32:18,892
Speaker 2: to look after the children at home, then obviously you

1824
01:32:18,933 --> 01:32:22,212
Speaker 2: can't be you can't be just giving them an allowance.

1825
01:32:23,452 --> 01:32:23,692
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1826
01:32:23,732 --> 01:32:26,452
Speaker 23: But even if you're not having children and you're both working,

1827
01:32:27,173 --> 01:32:29,612
Speaker 23: if you're sharing a bed and sharing a room, Yeah,

1828
01:32:30,412 --> 01:32:33,093
Speaker 23: for us, we pour all our money into the same

1829
01:32:33,133 --> 01:32:34,253
Speaker 23: bank account, or both our.

1830
01:32:34,213 --> 01:32:36,812
Speaker 2: Ways of going to the bank, or as you get

1831
01:32:36,812 --> 01:32:39,892
Speaker 2: the situation where someone's flying economy and someone's flying business

1832
01:32:39,893 --> 01:32:41,253
Speaker 2: on holidays.

1833
01:32:41,572 --> 01:32:45,093
Speaker 23: For a relationship and my husband, my husband would be

1834
01:32:45,133 --> 01:32:48,052
Speaker 23: the business player and I would be economy.

1835
01:32:48,612 --> 01:32:51,333
Speaker 2: I don't think a relationship can survive that relationship can

1836
01:32:51,412 --> 01:32:54,132
Speaker 2: survive that.

1837
01:32:54,053 --> 01:32:56,013
Speaker 23: Questioning each other on what we spend. But I just

1838
01:32:56,013 --> 01:32:58,133
Speaker 23: need to share a to share a room, to share

1839
01:32:58,133 --> 01:32:58,612
Speaker 23: a family.

1840
01:32:59,652 --> 01:33:01,133
Speaker 2: I love that. Do you do you go through? When

1841
01:33:01,173 --> 01:33:01,492
Speaker 2: you do?

1842
01:33:01,532 --> 01:33:01,932
Speaker 8: You do?

1843
01:33:02,013 --> 01:33:05,692
Speaker 2: You look so you know online every expenditure comes up?

1844
01:33:06,173 --> 01:33:10,452
Speaker 2: Is there any any any any situation going You bought

1845
01:33:10,452 --> 01:33:13,013
Speaker 2: yourself a rolex? You know, did you really need to day?

1846
01:33:13,093 --> 01:33:15,293
Speaker 2: You could have brought it. You could have brought it

1847
01:33:15,933 --> 01:33:16,452
Speaker 2: time X.

1848
01:33:17,732 --> 01:33:17,972
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1849
01:33:18,053 --> 01:33:20,933
Speaker 23: I mean, and all of that is fair, except I

1850
01:33:21,053 --> 01:33:26,572
Speaker 23: have my extravagancewers too, and so if we can still

1851
01:33:27,013 --> 01:33:29,973
Speaker 23: afford it at the end of the day, you know,

1852
01:33:30,053 --> 01:33:31,732
Speaker 23: I've got the rest of my life to make up

1853
01:33:31,732 --> 01:33:34,492
Speaker 23: for whatever he sends on his rolics. Yeah, so I

1854
01:33:34,532 --> 01:33:37,173
Speaker 23: don't really care. And every now and then something, but

1855
01:33:37,253 --> 01:33:39,812
Speaker 23: if it ever got to a point where it was

1856
01:33:39,812 --> 01:33:44,053
Speaker 23: the expense of our family well being. Yeah, and then

1857
01:33:44,133 --> 01:33:48,372
Speaker 23: that's worth the conversations. But we're very we're entirely transparent,

1858
01:33:48,412 --> 01:33:50,132
Speaker 23: and it all goes into one bank account.

1859
01:33:50,173 --> 01:33:52,852
Speaker 2: And you can't put a value on time spent bringing

1860
01:33:52,933 --> 01:33:56,253
Speaker 2: up the kids either can. I mean, they've be really

1861
01:33:56,293 --> 01:34:00,772
Speaker 2: hard to get this cold hard value of it, and so.

1862
01:34:01,053 --> 01:34:03,532
Speaker 23: You can't really even if you choose not to have children,

1863
01:34:03,572 --> 01:34:06,973
Speaker 23: if you're that double income, no kid's household, if he

1864
01:34:07,093 --> 01:34:11,172
Speaker 23: earns one hundred grand new owned sixty grand, in our opinion,

1865
01:34:11,652 --> 01:34:13,333
Speaker 23: you're still one life, one root.

1866
01:34:13,532 --> 01:34:15,093
Speaker 2: I think, I think absolutely right. I think you've got

1867
01:34:16,133 --> 01:34:17,972
Speaker 2: I think you've got to look at it as a unit.

1868
01:34:18,093 --> 01:34:21,333
Speaker 2: So this is how much we bring together as a unit.

1869
01:34:22,133 --> 01:34:24,732
Speaker 23: Unity. We're choosing to live our life as a unit.

1870
01:34:25,213 --> 01:34:26,173
Speaker 2: Otherwise what's the point?

1871
01:34:26,412 --> 01:34:29,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's here's my rationale, Daniel.

1872
01:34:29,893 --> 01:34:33,372
Speaker 4: So I mean, maybe knows how much I earn and

1873
01:34:33,412 --> 01:34:35,492
Speaker 4: how much money is coming in, but I keep the

1874
01:34:35,612 --> 01:34:38,213
Speaker 4: saving element of my own we account and she can

1875
01:34:38,253 --> 01:34:40,173
Speaker 4: have a look at it she wants, but my rationale

1876
01:34:40,213 --> 01:34:41,692
Speaker 4: for that, and I love it a bit. She's a

1877
01:34:41,692 --> 01:34:44,692
Speaker 4: better person than me, but she if she sees what

1878
01:34:44,853 --> 01:34:47,492
Speaker 4: is there in savings, then the suggestions start coming up

1879
01:34:47,532 --> 01:34:51,572
Speaker 4: about a holiday or another car or something that she

1880
01:34:51,652 --> 01:34:53,412
Speaker 4: really wants, and I love it a bit. So you're

1881
01:34:53,412 --> 01:34:57,612
Speaker 4: saving hairstack, saving for a family, probably save him for

1882
01:34:57,612 --> 01:34:59,892
Speaker 4: a holiday in the next ten years, you know.

1883
01:35:00,013 --> 01:35:02,612
Speaker 23: Well, and that's you know, as a couple, that's good

1884
01:35:02,612 --> 01:35:04,812
Speaker 23: to have those discussions. There's only two currencies in the

1885
01:35:04,812 --> 01:35:08,652
Speaker 23: whole of life, and that's time and money. Yeah, and

1886
01:35:09,053 --> 01:35:11,652
Speaker 23: so as a couple, that's about how you do your

1887
01:35:11,933 --> 01:35:15,372
Speaker 23: you do you. Yeah, I'm just about if she can

1888
01:35:15,412 --> 01:35:17,812
Speaker 23: see those if she can see that money building up,

1889
01:35:17,893 --> 01:35:19,213
Speaker 23: why not have the conversation.

1890
01:35:20,013 --> 01:35:22,053
Speaker 4: Now that's fair. I'm just a big softy at the

1891
01:35:22,133 --> 01:35:23,892
Speaker 4: end of the day. If she and I've maybe want

1892
01:35:23,933 --> 01:35:26,452
Speaker 4: something and can see the money, then I'll roll over

1893
01:35:26,452 --> 01:35:27,012
Speaker 4: pretty fast.

1894
01:35:27,253 --> 01:35:29,892
Speaker 2: He might have purchased a Lady Roles as a surprise.

1895
01:35:29,973 --> 01:35:31,732
Speaker 2: Well that's a good point. Yeah, yeah, you might like

1896
01:35:31,812 --> 01:35:34,333
Speaker 2: to see rolics on there and it's for someone outside

1897
01:35:34,372 --> 01:35:37,733
Speaker 2: of the relationship. Thank you so much for your call, Danielle.

1898
01:35:38,093 --> 01:35:40,812
Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1899
01:35:40,973 --> 01:35:43,532
Speaker 4: How do you manage your finances in your relationship? Does

1900
01:35:43,532 --> 01:35:45,812
Speaker 4: one person look after the money or do you have

1901
01:35:45,893 --> 01:35:48,412
Speaker 4: the joint accounts and is there a spender or savior?

1902
01:35:48,492 --> 01:35:50,732
Speaker 4: Love to hear from you. It is twenty eight past three.

1903
01:35:52,973 --> 01:35:56,492
Speaker 13: You talks, they'd be headlines with blue bubble taxies. It's

1904
01:35:56,572 --> 01:35:59,572
Speaker 13: no trouble with a blue bubble. The government's moving to

1905
01:35:59,652 --> 01:36:03,492
Speaker 13: loosen standards on quake prone buildings, exempting the low risk

1906
01:36:03,572 --> 01:36:07,253
Speaker 13: areas of Auckland, Northland and the Chatham Islands. Minister Chris

1907
01:36:07,253 --> 01:36:10,133
Speaker 13: Penk says the change will save building owners more than

1908
01:36:10,213 --> 01:36:13,492
Speaker 13: eight billion dollars and almost three thousand buildings will be

1909
01:36:13,572 --> 01:36:17,932
Speaker 13: removed from the requirements. A stock trucks rolled on State

1910
01:36:18,013 --> 01:36:22,132
Speaker 13: Highway five's Napier Toopol Rode with one person seriously hurt

1911
01:36:22,253 --> 01:36:25,452
Speaker 13: and some stock hurt. The crash is blocking the lanes

1912
01:36:25,452 --> 01:36:28,612
Speaker 13: in both directions between Old pop Or Coach and Palmer

1913
01:36:28,732 --> 01:36:33,492
Speaker 13: Roads with no detour. Sinlays confirmed its selling its loss

1914
01:36:33,492 --> 01:36:37,612
Speaker 13: making Pocomo factory and related assets to US company Abbott

1915
01:36:37,652 --> 01:36:41,892
Speaker 13: for three hundred and seven million dollars. STATSNZ signaled signs

1916
01:36:41,933 --> 01:36:45,173
Speaker 13: of a slight job market turnaround, but economists say it's

1917
01:36:45,293 --> 01:36:49,412
Speaker 13: largely due to data revisions. Police hunting missing christ Church

1918
01:36:49,532 --> 01:36:53,213
Speaker 13: teenager Marley are asking people in Sumner and Scarborough to

1919
01:36:53,293 --> 01:36:58,612
Speaker 13: review CCTV or doorbell camera footage from Friday confirmation up

1920
01:36:58,652 --> 01:37:01,852
Speaker 13: to seven hundred GP. Trainees will benefit this year from

1921
01:37:01,853 --> 01:37:05,213
Speaker 13: boosted government funding, also applying to the second and third

1922
01:37:05,293 --> 01:37:08,932
Speaker 13: years of training and from tragedy to success. The key

1923
01:37:08,933 --> 01:37:11,892
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1924
01:37:11,933 --> 01:37:14,692
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1925
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Speaker 13: Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1926
01:37:17,213 --> 01:37:19,133
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Scarlett. So we're talking about money,

1927
01:37:19,173 --> 01:37:21,253
Speaker 4: habits and a relationship. There was an article in the

1928
01:37:21,293 --> 01:37:24,333
Speaker 4: Herald and unnamed gentleman. He was asking for advice. He's

1929
01:37:24,372 --> 01:37:27,692
Speaker 4: disciplined with money, but his girlfriend isn't causing him all

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01:37:27,732 --> 01:37:28,692
Speaker 4: sorts of stress.

1931
01:37:28,772 --> 01:37:30,452
Speaker 2: Now, I think this texture is an understanding what we

1932
01:37:30,572 --> 01:37:34,452
Speaker 2: meant specifically about joint accounts. Don't get a joint account.

1933
01:37:34,532 --> 01:37:37,652
Speaker 2: I got sprung and my dealer got exposed. There's a

1934
01:37:37,652 --> 01:37:40,293
Speaker 2: different kind of account, that different kind of joint account. Matt,

1935
01:37:40,333 --> 01:37:42,372
Speaker 2: I had a family trip planned to Thailand and my

1936
01:37:42,452 --> 01:37:44,612
Speaker 2: wife didn't want to go. All good and made of

1937
01:37:44,652 --> 01:37:47,053
Speaker 2: mine had a business class upgrade he couldn't use, so

1938
01:37:47,173 --> 01:37:50,253
Speaker 2: transferred to me sweet. A month later, my wife changed

1939
01:37:50,293 --> 01:37:52,612
Speaker 2: her mind and decided to go. She enjoyed her business

1940
01:37:52,612 --> 01:37:54,772
Speaker 2: class upgrade on the way home while I was in

1941
01:37:54,853 --> 01:37:59,013
Speaker 2: Economy with a case of Guardia, expelling every ounce of

1942
01:37:59,053 --> 01:38:02,652
Speaker 2: fluid from my body. Wow, I mean, I mean, if

1943
01:38:02,652 --> 01:38:04,892
Speaker 2: you're doing that, you might as well be an economy exactly.

1944
01:38:04,973 --> 01:38:06,372
Speaker 3: You could have got that past the wife.

1945
01:38:06,452 --> 01:38:07,452
Speaker 2: Craig, Welcome to the show.

1946
01:38:09,812 --> 01:38:13,173
Speaker 16: I've been married two times, but it didn't take long

1947
01:38:13,253 --> 01:38:17,133
Speaker 16: at all with mccurrent wife that I realized she was

1948
01:38:17,253 --> 01:38:21,892
Speaker 16: the good one with money. So she came and we

1949
01:38:21,933 --> 01:38:25,572
Speaker 16: met our self employed. She's right from the word go,

1950
01:38:26,013 --> 01:38:28,293
Speaker 16: she's done. I wouldn't even know what's in our bank.

1951
01:38:29,053 --> 01:38:32,972
Speaker 16: I earn the money, I get all the work, and

1952
01:38:33,133 --> 01:38:36,133
Speaker 16: she budgets everything. She knows what I want to do

1953
01:38:36,173 --> 01:38:39,772
Speaker 16: in life, and it always seems to happen. She makes

1954
01:38:39,772 --> 01:38:43,772
Speaker 16: it happen. It's just brilliant, And I think somebody has

1955
01:38:43,812 --> 01:38:45,972
Speaker 16: to have the final say, right.

1956
01:38:46,053 --> 01:38:47,652
Speaker 2: And so if you if you, if you've got, if

1957
01:38:47,652 --> 01:38:49,932
Speaker 2: there's something you want to buy, can you just whip

1958
01:38:49,973 --> 01:38:52,173
Speaker 2: out the IF postcard and go and buy it and

1959
01:38:52,213 --> 01:38:54,532
Speaker 2: know the money will be there for you? Or do

1960
01:38:54,572 --> 01:38:55,612
Speaker 2: you do you raise up book?

1961
01:38:56,333 --> 01:38:58,133
Speaker 16: Look for something small? I need a new pair of

1962
01:38:58,253 --> 01:39:00,852
Speaker 16: jeans or something like that. Yeah, I'm well, i'd ask

1963
01:39:01,412 --> 01:39:03,213
Speaker 16: the reader go and get them that. I don't like something,

1964
01:39:03,612 --> 01:39:07,612
Speaker 16: but but it's something big, like you know, a couple

1965
01:39:07,652 --> 01:39:11,892
Speaker 16: of years ago, I wanted to buy a Dodge aunties.

1966
01:39:12,053 --> 01:39:15,732
Speaker 16: We can't afford it, but you you I want to

1967
01:39:15,732 --> 01:39:19,013
Speaker 16: buy Dodge, And then when we could afford it, we

1968
01:39:19,133 --> 01:39:21,372
Speaker 16: went and bought a Dodge. You know, so she will,

1969
01:39:21,452 --> 01:39:24,852
Speaker 16: she will make it happen. I can't save, but she's

1970
01:39:24,893 --> 01:39:28,892
Speaker 16: a fantastic savor and I just trust her one hundred percent.

1971
01:39:29,452 --> 01:39:33,092
Speaker 2: What particular Dodge were you have? You have you got there? Crank?

1972
01:39:33,933 --> 01:39:35,652
Speaker 16: What a Challenger sr Team?

1973
01:39:35,772 --> 01:39:37,772
Speaker 2: Oh I'm just now.

1974
01:39:38,053 --> 01:39:39,732
Speaker 3: I mean every Dodge is a beautiful car, but the

1975
01:39:39,812 --> 01:39:41,492
Speaker 3: Challenger lovely.

1976
01:39:42,372 --> 01:39:43,492
Speaker 16: Yeah, I love it.

1977
01:39:43,772 --> 01:39:45,372
Speaker 3: You're getting that out on weekends or is it?

1978
01:39:45,452 --> 01:39:45,652
Speaker 15: Yeah?

1979
01:39:45,853 --> 01:39:46,412
Speaker 2: Every daycat?

1980
01:39:47,213 --> 01:39:49,013
Speaker 16: Well, it's funny. It needs to set the ties at

1981
01:39:49,053 --> 01:39:51,133
Speaker 16: the moment, and business has been that crack the last

1982
01:39:51,253 --> 01:39:54,532
Speaker 16: it's reto on holding the garret. But she'll budget for

1983
01:39:54,572 --> 01:39:56,213
Speaker 16: the tires and I'll get them if I can.

1984
01:39:56,572 --> 01:39:59,412
Speaker 2: Was that was that a new a new Dodge?

1985
01:39:59,452 --> 01:40:03,133
Speaker 16: No it wasn't. No, I bought it secondhand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1986
01:40:03,652 --> 01:40:08,532
Speaker 16: But you know, I think in any relationship, you know,

1987
01:40:08,692 --> 01:40:11,213
Speaker 16: having joint bank accounts and that kind of thing, I

1988
01:40:11,213 --> 01:40:15,053
Speaker 16: think you still need somebody to make the call on

1989
01:40:15,133 --> 01:40:16,053
Speaker 16: the big decisions.

1990
01:40:17,093 --> 01:40:18,293
Speaker 3: Does she enjoy that part of it?

1991
01:40:18,333 --> 01:40:18,532
Speaker 2: Great?

1992
01:40:18,572 --> 01:40:21,253
Speaker 4: Because you know I'm listening to the story and for

1993
01:40:21,372 --> 01:40:24,572
Speaker 4: you that's you know, it is a nice place to be, right.

1994
01:40:24,572 --> 01:40:26,213
Speaker 4: You don't have to stress out about the money side

1995
01:40:26,213 --> 01:40:28,412
Speaker 4: of the apart from earning it. That's your your side

1996
01:40:28,412 --> 01:40:30,932
Speaker 4: of the equation. Does she worry a bit about where

1997
01:40:30,973 --> 01:40:32,772
Speaker 4: the money's going to come in and all right, this

1998
01:40:32,853 --> 01:40:33,692
Speaker 4: bill needs to be paid?

1999
01:40:33,772 --> 01:40:36,653
Speaker 8: Or she she enjoys that absolutely.

2000
01:40:37,173 --> 01:40:41,333
Speaker 16: The last eighteen months for many people in visit have

2001
01:40:41,452 --> 01:40:46,452
Speaker 16: been absolutely shocking, and it was you know, she would

2002
01:40:46,492 --> 01:40:49,213
Speaker 16: lie awake and night thinking how them all was going

2003
01:40:49,213 --> 01:40:51,933
Speaker 16: to be paid? You know, whereas I didn't tend to

2004
01:40:51,973 --> 01:40:56,452
Speaker 16: stress it because I weren't things that she's just a

2005
01:40:56,572 --> 01:40:58,612
Speaker 16: troop with money. I would have probably lost the house

2006
01:40:58,853 --> 01:41:02,812
Speaker 16: a year ago. We're on the way back now and

2007
01:41:02,853 --> 01:41:04,452
Speaker 16: she's all because.

2008
01:41:04,253 --> 01:41:07,372
Speaker 2: I and you trust her implicity, because that's part of it.

2009
01:41:07,412 --> 01:41:09,973
Speaker 2: You would have to absolutely trust.

2010
01:41:10,933 --> 01:41:13,892
Speaker 16: I did say jokingly, if you would have steal money

2011
01:41:13,893 --> 01:41:19,053
Speaker 16: from me would go tramping on the white day?

2012
01:41:19,013 --> 01:41:23,612
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, jo Hey, Craig, could you ask Tracy if

2013
01:41:24,213 --> 01:41:26,372
Speaker 2: I can have a get a challenge your sr T?

2014
01:41:28,293 --> 01:41:31,852
Speaker 16: Well, it depends, Well, I can't ask Tracy if you

2015
01:41:31,893 --> 01:41:32,412
Speaker 16: can get one.

2016
01:41:32,532 --> 01:41:36,532
Speaker 2: Well, she's probably actually listening, Craig. But I've never really

2017
01:41:36,532 --> 01:41:38,492
Speaker 2: locked it one before. And then I'm decided it's the

2018
01:41:38,532 --> 01:41:39,333
Speaker 2: car one more.

2019
01:41:39,173 --> 01:41:43,012
Speaker 16: Than anything or a hell if she no, really that's

2020
01:41:43,053 --> 01:41:45,253
Speaker 16: what you want, then it should have happened one day.

2021
01:41:45,372 --> 01:41:48,852
Speaker 4: Yeah, money well spends is what you're saying, Craig. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2022
01:41:48,893 --> 01:41:49,213
Speaker 4: there we go.

2023
01:41:49,333 --> 01:41:51,852
Speaker 2: I've got to get back. I've got a new desire. Now,

2024
01:41:52,492 --> 01:41:56,333
Speaker 2: how beautiful cars, Craig. Another Craig from Mount Mongui this

2025
01:41:56,452 --> 01:41:59,053
Speaker 2: time you think you need a bit of freedom and

2026
01:41:59,213 --> 01:42:00,412
Speaker 2: relationship around money.

2027
01:42:01,532 --> 01:42:03,933
Speaker 9: No, after listening to the other Craig.

2028
01:42:07,253 --> 01:42:08,933
Speaker 3: He's got a good light there, Craig than me.

2029
01:42:10,093 --> 01:42:13,093
Speaker 9: He has, and I totally agree him, Like, yeah, but

2030
01:42:13,293 --> 01:42:15,412
Speaker 9: I would have I would have gone back to like

2031
01:42:15,452 --> 01:42:19,732
Speaker 9: a ninety fifty six Challenger. Yeah, he should have kind

2032
01:42:19,732 --> 01:42:20,772
Speaker 9: of put the button down there.

2033
01:42:20,812 --> 01:42:25,293
Speaker 4: But anyway, we're both frantically searching for a nineteen fifty

2034
01:42:25,293 --> 01:42:25,972
Speaker 4: six Challenger.

2035
01:42:25,973 --> 01:42:29,333
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, lovely body.

2036
01:42:27,452 --> 01:42:30,852
Speaker 9: Oh, yeah, that's that's the one boys.

2037
01:42:31,093 --> 01:42:33,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about the ninety? What about an orange nineteen

2038
01:42:33,293 --> 01:42:34,812
Speaker 2: sixty nine Dodge Charger?

2039
01:42:36,893 --> 01:42:39,293
Speaker 9: Cool, that's what my dad had.

2040
01:42:43,452 --> 01:42:45,973
Speaker 2: So so you do you currently have a bit of

2041
01:42:45,973 --> 01:42:48,093
Speaker 2: freedom Craig and your finances?

2042
01:42:49,253 --> 01:42:49,452
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2043
01:42:49,492 --> 01:42:53,253
Speaker 9: Absolutely, I've reached that age I think Craigs have. I

2044
01:42:53,293 --> 01:42:59,172
Speaker 9: think all the crag like Craig's are obviously sixty seven babies. Yeah,

2045
01:42:59,213 --> 01:43:04,772
Speaker 9: so we're Yeah, we've reached that apex point. But I

2046
01:43:05,013 --> 01:43:09,452
Speaker 9: I we'd go along with Craig, you know which. I

2047
01:43:09,492 --> 01:43:11,053
Speaker 9: think him and I have a lot in comment. I'd

2048
01:43:11,053 --> 01:43:11,932
Speaker 9: like to deal with a guy.

2049
01:43:12,093 --> 01:43:14,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, ever met up of Craigs?

2050
01:43:15,173 --> 01:43:16,412
Speaker 9: Yeah, Craig meeting.

2051
01:43:17,213 --> 01:43:19,732
Speaker 2: I don't have even met a bad Craig. There's some

2052
01:43:19,812 --> 01:43:22,932
Speaker 2: names the generally everyone with that name is a reasonable

2053
01:43:23,013 --> 01:43:25,053
Speaker 2: human band. I don't think I've ever met a bad Craig.

2054
01:43:25,213 --> 01:43:25,932
Speaker 2: Good people, Craig.

2055
01:43:26,612 --> 01:43:29,652
Speaker 9: This might sound really weird, but I worked for a

2056
01:43:29,692 --> 01:43:32,852
Speaker 9: company called Canterbury Heating down in the Whitehadow, sorry, down

2057
01:43:32,893 --> 01:43:37,372
Speaker 9: in the South Island and christ Rich back in twenty

2058
01:43:37,452 --> 01:43:42,772
Speaker 9: ten something. We had three Craigs working there. Yep, only

2059
01:43:42,812 --> 01:43:45,772
Speaker 9: a five person company and three Craigs, and it was

2060
01:43:46,333 --> 01:43:48,852
Speaker 9: it was hilarious. There was a big Craig, more Craig,

2061
01:43:48,893 --> 01:43:49,532
Speaker 9: medium Craig.

2062
01:43:50,372 --> 01:43:54,852
Speaker 2: Which Craig were you? I was medium Craig. And they're

2063
01:43:54,853 --> 01:43:56,652
Speaker 2: all good Craigs. I mean, obviously you're a good Craig.

2064
01:43:56,692 --> 01:43:58,293
Speaker 2: The other two Craigs good craigs.

2065
01:43:58,412 --> 01:43:59,132
Speaker 9: They were brilliant.

2066
01:43:59,333 --> 01:44:02,652
Speaker 3: Honestly, I can't go wrong with Greg.

2067
01:44:05,213 --> 01:44:07,492
Speaker 2: I give a lot of teaxsagreeing that no one's ever

2068
01:44:07,532 --> 01:44:10,372
Speaker 2: met a bad Craig. Hey, tanks you call Craig. Appreciate it?

2069
01:44:10,572 --> 01:44:13,133
Speaker 2: Love that all right? Sorry? Text here this text from

2070
01:44:13,133 --> 01:44:16,492
Speaker 2: a Steve Hey. I hear people all the time thinking

2071
01:44:16,772 --> 01:44:20,532
Speaker 2: separate accounts somehow protects their money. They need a reminding

2072
01:44:20,572 --> 01:44:23,812
Speaker 2: of the Matrimonial Property Act. What is yours is mine?

2073
01:44:23,933 --> 01:44:26,213
Speaker 2: In most cases including your key, we save your account.

2074
01:44:26,293 --> 01:44:27,532
Speaker 2: This is the very true.

2075
01:44:27,692 --> 01:44:30,372
Speaker 4: Oh eight undred eighty ten eighty is the number to

2076
01:44:30,452 --> 01:44:33,013
Speaker 4: call financial compatibility in your relationship?

2077
01:44:33,093 --> 01:44:35,572
Speaker 3: Is it working? Is someone a savor or a spender?

2078
01:44:35,612 --> 01:44:37,133
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you? It is twenty to.

2079
01:44:37,093 --> 01:44:42,252
Speaker 1: Four your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

2080
01:44:42,333 --> 01:44:43,652
Speaker 1: afternoons call.

2081
01:44:43,612 --> 01:44:46,052
Speaker 8: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

2082
01:44:45,893 --> 01:44:47,413
Speaker 2: Said, be afternoon.

2083
01:44:47,452 --> 01:44:48,892
Speaker 3: It is eighteen to four Craig.

2084
01:44:48,933 --> 01:44:50,732
Speaker 2: We got bogged down on Craig's and we forgot to

2085
01:44:50,772 --> 01:44:52,612
Speaker 2: actually get to the point of what you were calling about.

2086
01:44:52,732 --> 01:44:54,213
Speaker 2: So welcome back Crag.

2087
01:44:54,333 --> 01:44:56,972
Speaker 9: Yeah. I actually felt like, hang on a minute, that's

2088
01:44:57,013 --> 01:44:57,773
Speaker 9: like Karen.

2089
01:44:57,532 --> 01:45:03,293
Speaker 2: Now we got excited about that the name Craig. Yeah,

2090
01:45:03,652 --> 01:45:05,812
Speaker 2: we missed the crucial part of why you called up.

2091
01:45:06,893 --> 01:45:10,213
Speaker 9: Yeah, hey, look, so look hitting the points that I

2092
01:45:10,213 --> 01:45:16,012
Speaker 9: think are really relevant about relationships and keeping financial things

2093
01:45:16,213 --> 01:45:22,372
Speaker 9: in a safe place for everybody. Joint accounts are really

2094
01:45:22,412 --> 01:45:26,173
Speaker 9: important to have, Like so your your mortgage comes out

2095
01:45:26,173 --> 01:45:29,572
Speaker 9: of it, your your your raped, your insurances, everything else

2096
01:45:29,572 --> 01:45:33,173
Speaker 9: will rent whatever it is. But I do think it's

2097
01:45:33,333 --> 01:45:35,732
Speaker 9: really important that you have a little bit of money

2098
01:45:35,853 --> 01:45:39,412
Speaker 9: that is in your account just for you to do

2099
01:45:39,452 --> 01:45:42,452
Speaker 9: whatever you want to do with. That's a little bit

2100
01:45:42,492 --> 01:45:43,852
Speaker 9: of freedom.

2101
01:45:43,612 --> 01:45:46,812
Speaker 2: How much do you need? Is that enough for dinners out?

2102
01:45:46,973 --> 01:45:49,492
Speaker 2: Or is it enough for a whole holiday? Is it

2103
01:45:49,612 --> 01:45:50,532
Speaker 2: enough to buy a Dodge?

2104
01:45:50,532 --> 01:45:53,213
Speaker 9: How much you have to buy a Dodge?

2105
01:45:53,412 --> 01:45:54,492
Speaker 8: No?

2106
01:45:56,133 --> 01:46:00,133
Speaker 9: Okay, So for me, I really think it's enough to

2107
01:46:00,572 --> 01:46:07,412
Speaker 9: just do little things like so, imagine an idea where

2108
01:46:07,532 --> 01:46:10,853
Speaker 9: you just want to buy buy something important for your birthday.

2109
01:46:12,652 --> 01:46:14,013
Speaker 9: You want to have a bit of coin there that

2110
01:46:14,053 --> 01:46:17,932
Speaker 9: you can do something with. You don't have to explain it.

2111
01:46:18,053 --> 01:46:22,293
Speaker 9: You don't have to, or it could be a really

2112
01:46:22,372 --> 01:46:25,333
Speaker 9: really nice because Shamana brought out a really nice sea

2113
01:46:25,412 --> 01:46:28,293
Speaker 9: cast road right now, are real, I should say? So

2114
01:46:28,372 --> 01:46:30,333
Speaker 9: you might just want to see money on that without

2115
01:46:30,372 --> 01:46:36,253
Speaker 9: having to explain it. But you've got to be paying

2116
01:46:36,253 --> 01:46:40,772
Speaker 9: the money into the central household fund that pays everything.

2117
01:46:40,853 --> 01:46:45,372
Speaker 9: And I kind of think that's that's super important.

2118
01:46:45,412 --> 01:46:47,852
Speaker 4: I agree with that because you know, I mean, for example,

2119
01:46:47,853 --> 01:46:49,772
Speaker 4: when you mentioned some nice things for your wife there,

2120
01:46:49,812 --> 01:46:52,612
Speaker 4: which is very generous of your craig, But say an

2121
01:46:52,692 --> 01:46:54,452
Speaker 4: unexpected trip to the pub with your mates, so they

2122
01:46:54,452 --> 01:46:56,372
Speaker 4: bring your on a Saturday it wasn't planned and say hey,

2123
01:46:56,372 --> 01:46:58,772
Speaker 4: we'll meet you down at the pub and things go

2124
01:46:58,893 --> 01:47:01,532
Speaker 4: a little bit longer than expected and you're shouting your mate.

2125
01:47:01,572 --> 01:47:04,532
Speaker 4: So the ability to have that there, you know, because

2126
01:47:04,532 --> 01:47:06,572
Speaker 4: you don't want to wring your wife midway through the

2127
01:47:06,572 --> 01:47:09,333
Speaker 4: pub and say, hey, honey, can you transfer me another

2128
01:47:09,372 --> 01:47:10,972
Speaker 4: couple of hundred bucks because I spent too much?

2129
01:47:12,173 --> 01:47:14,732
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly. You want to have some freedom and you

2130
01:47:14,772 --> 01:47:17,092
Speaker 9: want her to have freedom too.

2131
01:47:16,492 --> 01:47:19,932
Speaker 2: What about the situation when you've got joint accounts, and

2132
01:47:20,093 --> 01:47:22,132
Speaker 2: you know, for a lot of dads, it's a surprise

2133
01:47:22,253 --> 01:47:24,492
Speaker 2: what's brought for Christmas? For the kids, you're as surprised

2134
01:47:24,492 --> 01:47:27,293
Speaker 2: as anyone what you've got everyone. But then you get

2135
01:47:27,293 --> 01:47:31,812
Speaker 2: a really really nice present from your partner and you go,

2136
01:47:32,013 --> 01:47:34,412
Speaker 2: that's I could have probably done with something there wasn't

2137
01:47:34,412 --> 01:47:39,932
Speaker 2: that expensive thing? Is it's my money? Brutal honesty.

2138
01:47:39,973 --> 01:47:46,253
Speaker 9: Again, I totally get that, but honestly, I do think

2139
01:47:46,293 --> 01:47:49,173
Speaker 9: it's really really cool that you. I think you have

2140
01:47:49,253 --> 01:47:51,053
Speaker 9: to have a joint account that just make sure that

2141
01:47:51,213 --> 01:47:56,452
Speaker 9: everybody's looking after the main things, and then that little

2142
01:47:56,452 --> 01:47:59,093
Speaker 9: bit of extra money is really nice to not have

2143
01:47:59,213 --> 01:48:03,652
Speaker 9: to explain like, you know, you just you had a coffee,

2144
01:48:03,732 --> 01:48:06,812
Speaker 9: you had a beer with some mates, or you you know,

2145
01:48:07,293 --> 01:48:10,213
Speaker 9: for my wife, I see packages arrive at the door

2146
01:48:10,412 --> 01:48:12,052
Speaker 9: and I don't even know, Yeah.

2147
01:48:13,572 --> 01:48:16,213
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, there's so many packages arrive at

2148
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Speaker 2: my house. Yeah, it's just.

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Speaker 3: And that's doing lamps around your.

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Speaker 2: And every day I sort of hope that maybe it

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Speaker 2: was something I ordered, But it wouldn't it be great

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Speaker 2: if I ordered something fun? And then it's never never

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Speaker 2: for you, mate, never for you. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 9: Just thank you for letting me not just be a

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Speaker 9: Craig and to learn in the background, to Craig.

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Speaker 2: You're more than just a greag. It's it's important that

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01:48:40,652 --> 01:48:42,333
Speaker 2: craigs get to say what Craigs want to say on

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Speaker 2: our show.

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Speaker 4: So anytime, all thank you, Greg, Sharon. How are you

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Speaker 4: this afternoon?

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Speaker 19: Good afternoon, guys, be a good Thank You're I'm fine,

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Speaker 19: Thank you. It hasn't I have a joint account and

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01:48:56,933 --> 01:48:59,173
Speaker 19: which but I pay all the bills. My husband jug

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Speaker 19: out to work for me, and you know, I just

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Speaker 19: get on with paying the bills and things like that.

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Speaker 19: I do have my own personal account because there's a

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Speaker 19: payment that has to go in there every month, so

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Speaker 19: called a pension, so that that goes into my account,

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Speaker 19: but my husband can has been what he likes. Although

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01:49:15,173 --> 01:49:18,612
Speaker 19: you know, recently we needed a new lounge suite, so

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01:49:19,293 --> 01:49:21,572
Speaker 19: I didn't just go out and buy that. That got

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01:49:21,612 --> 01:49:25,132
Speaker 19: talked about because it was a serious amount of money.

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Speaker 19: But yeah, we've been married forty six years and we've

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Speaker 19: always worked this way, and even when I was working,

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Speaker 19: you know, outside the house, we just got on with it.

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Speaker 19: I've paid the bills.

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Speaker 2: And it's interestrue with paying bills though, because you can pay,

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Speaker 2: say for the mortgage, for example, Sharon, you can decide

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Speaker 2: how much you're going to pay on the mortgage. So

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Speaker 2: it was that a situation where you go, well, I

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Speaker 2: want to pay down the mortgage faster, so I'll pump

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Speaker 2: up the money I pay there.

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Speaker 19: Oh well, you know you can talk about that sort

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Speaker 19: of thing and decide to do that. It's all about

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Speaker 19: communication and talking about it. I mean, you know, like

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Speaker 19: you with all these pawerfls that are arriving at your house,

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01:50:07,532 --> 01:50:10,812
Speaker 19: they kind of a mine as well. But it's for me,

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Speaker 19: not for my husband. But you know that's just the way.

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Speaker 19: But yeah, I just really think that communication is just

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01:50:20,572 --> 01:50:22,652
Speaker 19: talk about it and it goes from there. It's the

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01:50:22,652 --> 01:50:23,293
Speaker 19: best thing to do.

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Speaker 2: So when you get a pension, can it not as

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Speaker 2: does it remain individual you're pension? It doesn't become become

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Speaker 2: as a couple's pension, just as an off off topic conversation.

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Speaker 19: Well, no, that's right, he is I had mine and

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Speaker 19: he has his. I actually get more.

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Speaker 21: Than he is.

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Speaker 19: But but yeah, yeah, this goes into separate bank accounts.

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Speaker 19: It's quite as in your name, your own name, so

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Speaker 19: it's not put in together into one account that I not.

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Speaker 17: That I'm not.

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Speaker 19: So it's just yeah, yeah, it's my money and kind

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01:50:55,812 --> 01:50:57,652
Speaker 19: of and you get to see people doing that.

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Speaker 2: And you've been married forty six years, so it works.

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Speaker 2: It works for you, guys. So congratulations on that and

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Speaker 2: well done.

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Speaker 4: Always great to change, Sharon, Thank you very much. Oh

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Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, press the wrong button there, press the wrong button

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01:51:13,612 --> 01:51:16,452
Speaker 2: there again. Jeez, I've been on holiday, haven't I? There

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01:51:16,492 --> 01:51:20,813
Speaker 2: we go? Gary got you took me three but.

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Speaker 8: I got.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, what what do I say? And here it? You right?

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01:51:32,452 --> 01:51:38,692
Speaker 12: But in saying that, losing family friends. The mate died

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01:51:38,772 --> 01:51:41,173
Speaker 12: the other week, I just went and picked his car up.

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Speaker 12: You're the butts and pieces and whatever. Yees. So here

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01:51:47,812 --> 01:51:50,253
Speaker 12: we've got houses and everything's paid for.

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Speaker 16: You know.

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Speaker 12: It's but you lose a lot of yees. It's friends

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Speaker 12: and family and even new people you meet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so so you you're you're.

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Speaker 12: A sad thing in that area. I want to put

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Speaker 12: it down to it. It's just how it happens. And

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Speaker 12: they sign it over to me and risk goes on,

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01:52:19,053 --> 01:52:19,572
Speaker 12: doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you must have a lot of people that that

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Speaker 2: love will respect you, Gary if they think that you're

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Speaker 2: the person to give the things.

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Speaker 12: You're right there, like I need new people got you?

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01:52:32,013 --> 01:52:36,932
Speaker 12: You're doing well? I said, well, yeah, well all right,

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01:52:37,253 --> 01:52:39,972
Speaker 12: you know, I put it just just I'm just about

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01:52:40,053 --> 01:52:41,412
Speaker 12: crying talking about it.

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Speaker 25: But yeah, we've got houses and they're worth millions of dolls,

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01:52:46,333 --> 01:52:51,532
Speaker 25: you know, and I've got farms and yeah, everything.

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Speaker 12: But you know, money is not an object to me. Area.

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01:52:54,812 --> 01:52:59,452
Speaker 12: But when you've got that sort of wealthy sort of thing, well,

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01:52:59,532 --> 01:53:03,093
Speaker 12: you know you're coming back to who left it to you?

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Speaker 2: Ye, yes, well there's a person attached to it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a beautiful philosophy from Gary there that

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Speaker 3: you know, money is just money, but the family means more.

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01:53:12,933 --> 01:53:16,253
Speaker 2: It seems that everyone that Gary met meets thinks that

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01:53:16,333 --> 01:53:17,293
Speaker 2: he should be in their will.

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01:53:17,372 --> 01:53:19,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've done pretty well for themselves.

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01:53:19,093 --> 01:53:21,372
Speaker 2: That's a pretty huge compliment, doesn't it certainly is yeah,

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01:53:21,452 --> 01:53:22,532
Speaker 2: mine your will, tyler?

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep, what do you want? I don't need much, mate,

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01:53:25,893 --> 01:53:28,532
Speaker 3: you know the hybrid, No.

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01:53:28,692 --> 01:53:31,452
Speaker 2: You can't have that. It's nine minutes to fall back

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Speaker 2: in the mow.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:53:36,372 --> 01:53:37,372
Speaker 1: everything in between.

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01:53:37,572 --> 01:53:40,492
Speaker 8: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 4: It be news talks, it'd be. We've been talking about

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Speaker 4: financial compatibility in a relationship. So many texts coming through

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Speaker 4: on nine two ninety two.

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01:53:49,213 --> 01:53:51,652
Speaker 2: The sticks is real men with real money don't have

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01:53:51,772 --> 01:53:55,972
Speaker 2: risky women around. Really. Okay, okay, I agree with medium Craigs.

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01:53:56,013 --> 01:53:57,692
Speaker 2: There's the stext. Do we have a joint account which

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01:53:57,772 --> 01:54:00,572
Speaker 2: our income goes into and all the household expenses go

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Speaker 2: out of it?

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01:54:01,692 --> 01:54:01,933
Speaker 8: We have?

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Speaker 2: We then have a personal account each which we chuck

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Speaker 2: one hundred dollars a week and two and that's our

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01:54:06,772 --> 01:54:09,253
Speaker 2: money to do what we want, only hundred bucks a week.

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Speaker 2: What about this? There's one round at the pub with

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Speaker 2: your mates. I generally managed making sure we're getting the

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Speaker 2: best deal on power companies, etc. But I invest in

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01:54:17,213 --> 01:54:22,253
Speaker 2: team of far more than him and this one here, Hi, boys,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand the point of a joint account. Wife.

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01:54:24,053 --> 01:54:25,812
Speaker 2: He has her account and I have mine. She can

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01:54:25,853 --> 01:54:28,173
Speaker 2: spend her money how she wants. I look after bills

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01:54:28,173 --> 01:54:33,293
Speaker 2: to a fair proportion of what I earn, and a

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01:54:33,293 --> 01:54:36,213
Speaker 2: happy wife, happy life. Joint accounts get scrutinized. When you

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01:54:36,253 --> 01:54:37,813
Speaker 2: have them breeds negativity.

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Speaker 4: Cheers Andrew, nice one and this one from Robin Gidde. Guys,

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Speaker 4: I'm the saver and I pay all the bills in

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01:54:44,333 --> 01:54:47,053
Speaker 4: our relationship. I'm retired and he is still working. He

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01:54:47,173 --> 01:54:49,733
Speaker 4: is hopeless with money. We would be on the bones

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01:54:49,772 --> 01:54:52,133
Speaker 4: of our backside if he was in charge of the money.

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01:54:52,173 --> 01:54:54,533
Speaker 4: Bitter stress, But it's what I'm good at.

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01:54:54,812 --> 01:54:57,253
Speaker 2: And the six is Greg Murphy owns the Ultimate sixty

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01:54:57,333 --> 01:55:00,892
Speaker 2: nine Charger Bow and Luke Duke had a good one too. Matt,

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01:55:00,933 --> 01:55:03,252
Speaker 2: you definitely need a helcat. They're one of the gruntiest

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01:55:03,253 --> 01:55:07,053
Speaker 2: cars ever made, relatively cheap and you'd look sharpened one

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01:55:08,333 --> 01:55:09,693
Speaker 2: what Bill's.

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01:55:09,373 --> 01:55:12,013
Speaker 4: Saying, Yeah, Tracy, if you're listening, there's going to be

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Speaker 4: a hell care coming.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 2: Good discussion, right, Hi, guys. My wife looks after the

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01:55:19,772 --> 01:55:22,972
Speaker 2: finances and sc weekly packages arrive which she has ordered.

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01:55:23,173 --> 01:55:25,053
Speaker 2: She spends loads on fitness et cetera. And when I

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01:55:25,093 --> 01:55:27,413
Speaker 2: spend on pies and bre she calls me out and says,

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01:55:27,733 --> 01:55:29,613
Speaker 2: why are you wasting money on that? And I reckon,

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01:55:29,613 --> 01:55:32,413
Speaker 2: my expenses are well below what she's spending on all

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01:55:32,413 --> 01:55:36,053
Speaker 2: her hocus focus but according to her, my spending isn't

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01:55:36,053 --> 01:55:38,733
Speaker 2: allowable because it's wasteful. Go figure, that's very much out.

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Speaker 3: Buy more pies, mate, love it all right?

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Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of the show. Had

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Speaker 2: a great time. It's good to be back, isn't it tighter?

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Speaker 3: It's good to be back, and what a great show

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Speaker 3: it was.

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Speaker 2: The full pod will be out if you missed anything

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01:55:52,413 --> 01:55:55,133
Speaker 2: very soon. The powerful Heather Dupa see Allen is up

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Speaker 2: next with her show. But right now, Tyler, my good friend,

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01:55:59,613 --> 01:56:02,293
Speaker 2: tell me why am I playing the song from Greg Johnson.

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01:56:01,893 --> 01:56:05,493
Speaker 4: Oh, the great Greg Johnson? Save yourself? Is this about

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01:56:06,173 --> 01:56:08,013
Speaker 4: making sure that you should be a stinge like me?

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01:56:08,573 --> 01:56:10,733
Speaker 4: Or is this more about we should save ourselves first

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01:56:10,733 --> 01:56:11,773
Speaker 4: before looking at internationally?

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01:56:12,253 --> 01:56:15,413
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering whether people spend too much time worrying

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01:56:15,413 --> 01:56:19,052
Speaker 2: about huge overseas problems they can't solve, rather than sorting

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01:56:19,053 --> 01:56:19,972
Speaker 2: out their problems at home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah nice, and what a beautiful song it is to

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01:56:22,853 --> 01:56:23,413
Speaker 3: all right?

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Speaker 2: Until tomorrow afternoon. Wherever you are, what are you doing?

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Speaker 22: Give them a taste of keying from us saying I

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01:56:30,733 --> 01:56:43,373
Speaker 22: love you.

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Speaker 1: For more from News Talks d B, listen live on

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Speaker 1: air or online and keep our shows with you wherever

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